WEBVTT - The Treasury Department's Real Attack - It's Scary

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mark Moa

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<v Speaker 1>Show where we talk about the decentralized revolution. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the way the world is changing right before our

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<v Speaker 1>very eyes, going from the pendulum as it swings from

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<v Speaker 1>centralization to decentralization. We look at it through the lens

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<v Speaker 1>of politics, finance, and technology each and every week, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course it's the technology that changes the world. When

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<v Speaker 1>we look through thousands of years of history, it's always technology,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course that technology is bitcoin. It's changing the

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<v Speaker 1>world as we know it, and we're looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>through those lens. And today we have, uh, we got

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<v Speaker 1>something big and something serious to talk about, um, something

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<v Speaker 1>that is uh reshaping the world right before our very eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think most people are seeing what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm gonna take this chance to take a

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<v Speaker 1>situation that developed this week that was all over the news,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna peel this thing back so you can

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<v Speaker 1>understand what's really going on. Um. It's something that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>should learn how to do. And we would we would

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<v Speaker 1>call it like past first order thinking, so you needn't

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<v Speaker 1>look into like second order and third order thinking consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>Things like that So I'm gonna take this issue that's

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<v Speaker 1>blown up this week, um, and then we're gonna break

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<v Speaker 1>it down. And what am I talking about? While I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about in the cryptocurrency space, Um, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>protocol called Tornado Cash and it was sanctioned by the

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<v Speaker 1>US Treasury. So this is about politics, this is about finance,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's about technology. It's all three as I talked

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<v Speaker 1>about each and every week. So in the cryptocurrency market,

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<v Speaker 1>Tornado Cash is a protocol that was sanctioned by the

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<v Speaker 1>US Treasury Department. And this is big, big news. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, it's gonna change It's going to change the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. Um, either way, this is a big deal

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna we're gonna cover that, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's break this down a little bit for you. So

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. So there's a protocol. First of all, what

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<v Speaker 1>do I mean? What's the protocol? So a protocol as

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of code, and a piece of code just

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<v Speaker 1>sets rules for how things happen. So in the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of protocols. So the Internet, Um, you've

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<v Speaker 1>probably heard of like an IP address, like if you

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<v Speaker 1>set up a route at your house. So there's like

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<v Speaker 1>something called the t C P I P and that's

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<v Speaker 1>like your address on the Internet. That's a protocol, and

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<v Speaker 1>that protocol tells the Internet technology how to route packets

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<v Speaker 1>of data. UM. Then we have an email protocol that's

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<v Speaker 1>called s M t B. I'm sure you've probably come

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<v Speaker 1>across that before setting up your Gmail or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>so s M t P is a protocol that helps

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<v Speaker 1>that computer code route email. UM. Then we have like

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<v Speaker 1>let's say security on websites. If you go to your

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<v Speaker 1>website and your browser, it's always starts with h T

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<v Speaker 1>t P S. It doesn't always have the S but

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<v Speaker 1>almost always. Most of the time it always has the

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<v Speaker 1>s NOW. And that's a new protocol that helps the

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<v Speaker 1>code know how to secure the website. So these are

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<v Speaker 1>protocols now. Nobody owns the SMTP protocol for email. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>owns it. But if I wanted to start an email

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<v Speaker 1>company like mail Chimp or Active Campaign or Claudio or Gmail,

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<v Speaker 1>then I would I run Gmail or I run mail Chimp,

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<v Speaker 1>but I build it on the SMTP protocol. That protocol

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't owned by anybody. It's just a piece of code.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a generally agreed to code that everybody uses.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a standard. Okay, It's not owned by anybody. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no company, there's no business, there's no president of the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the protocol, there's no marketing department. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a protocol. Does that make sense? All right? So I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to define that first. Okay. So in the cryptocurrency space, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we have lots of protocols. Bitcoin is a protocol. Bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>is a piece of software. It's a piece of code

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<v Speaker 1>that was developed and it's a it's a public good.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody could use it. It's permissionless. It's just it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of just like SMTP. Anybody could use SMTP.

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<v Speaker 1>It's permissionless. Um. It's not owned by anybody. There's no president,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no corporation, there's there's it's just a piece of code.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a piece of software. Now, um, it's it uses

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different things Bitcoin does, um, one of

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<v Speaker 1>which is a blockchain. People say, oh, it's not bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>that's revolutionary, it's the blockchain. Well that's not true. Bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>uses lots of things to make it revolutionary, one of

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<v Speaker 1>which is a blockchain. As a matter of fact, in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bitcoin white paper. They never used the word blockchain.

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<v Speaker 1>They use the word time chain. That's a whole different conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit me up on social media and let me know

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<v Speaker 1>if you'd like me to do a video on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But UM, it uses the blockchain or time chain. It

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<v Speaker 1>also uses something called cryptography. We're gonna talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>because that's a big deal for what we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 1>That uses other things like peer to peer. UM game

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<v Speaker 1>theory uses the Internet, right, uses lots of different things.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So we have a protocol like SMTP or

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<v Speaker 1>HTTPS or t c P, i P or bitcoin owned

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<v Speaker 1>by nobody, a public good right and this specific protocol,

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<v Speaker 1>tornado cash UM is a protocol for the Ethereum network.

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<v Speaker 1>And what it does is it um It allows people

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<v Speaker 1>to um selectively spend money. So UM, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars, You have a hundred dollars. That's both put

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<v Speaker 1>it in the pot and we'll pay out fifty bucks

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<v Speaker 1>to that person und fifty bucks back to that person. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>what they argue it's used for, and I would agree

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<v Speaker 1>it typically is used for is to mix transactions. So

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<v Speaker 1>I have a stack up huntre dollar bills. You have

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<v Speaker 1>a stack of hunted dollar bills. Let's put both stacks

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the pot, let's put them in the

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<v Speaker 1>dryer to fumble them all around, and let's just divide

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<v Speaker 1>up the hundred dollars each. But we now walk away

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<v Speaker 1>different bills than we had before. And so that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how it works. And people use it to put

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<v Speaker 1>ethereum in or they also have them for bitcoin. This

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<v Speaker 1>one specifically was for ethereum Tornado cash, and it it

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<v Speaker 1>mixes them. It it it's a joined spend, is what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. But it's it's a protocol. It's the piece

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<v Speaker 1>of coat. You can use it if you want, you

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<v Speaker 1>can use it if you don't. And so what happened

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<v Speaker 1>this week is the US Treasury sanctioned a protocol called

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<v Speaker 1>Tornado Cash. But what's big about this is that this

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<v Speaker 1>has never happened before. Sanctions go against people, people who

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<v Speaker 1>do bad things, or maybe businesses or governments, so like

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<v Speaker 1>Russia is under sanctions right now. For example, Iran has

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<v Speaker 1>been sanctioned, right So governments, regimes, people are sanctioned, but

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<v Speaker 1>not tools, not not public goods. And I'm gonna explain

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<v Speaker 1>to you why that is in a minute, But before

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<v Speaker 1>we dig into what really happened here. Well, let's finish.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's finish what happened, and then we're gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna expand it out, and then I'm gonna bring it

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back down to why it matters to

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<v Speaker 1>you right now today, no matter where you live and why,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to change your life and probably not

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<v Speaker 1>for the better, probably not for the better. But you

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<v Speaker 1>need to be aware of what's going on. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always gonna tell you what I wish I would hear

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<v Speaker 1>if I was on the other side of table someone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to hold back on you to day right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>um Tornado cash Um. The second the U. S. Treasury

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<v Speaker 1>moved into sanction it, and um they said that anybody

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<v Speaker 1>that interacts with this will be guilty of avoiding sanctions. Now, um,

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<v Speaker 1>sanctions is a very serious charge. Of a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>if you evade or go around sanctions, you're you're potentially

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<v Speaker 1>facing thirty years in prison, even if even if there

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<v Speaker 1>was no intent and it happened without your knowledge. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that's a key piece to hit on. Why well, because

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<v Speaker 1>in order to prove a crime, there has to be

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<v Speaker 1>criminal intent. That that intent word is a big thing

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<v Speaker 1>that means I have to I have to have intended to,

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<v Speaker 1>to have to cause it, to do a crime, I've

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<v Speaker 1>do intended to. If it was an accident, um, then

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<v Speaker 1>you could charge me with like manslaughter, right if it

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<v Speaker 1>was a vehicle, for example, But manslaughter as an accident,

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<v Speaker 1>I killed somebody, but it wasn't criminal intent. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't premeditated where I went and drove over that person.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, if I'm a trained professional, there is something

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<v Speaker 1>called criminally negligent, and that means that you should have

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<v Speaker 1>known better, but you did it anyway, So then you're

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<v Speaker 1>criminally negligent. Otherwise you have to have criminal intent. But

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<v Speaker 1>what this says with this um, with with the sanctions,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you're facing thirty years in prison even without

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<v Speaker 1>intent and without your knowledge. So if, um, if you

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<v Speaker 1>happen to use this by accident, even without your knowing,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't intend to use it, you didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>you used it, it doesn't matter. You're still facing thirty years,

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<v Speaker 1>which sounds pretty strict, doesn't And if you agree with me,

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<v Speaker 1>then that's part of the problem. And we're gonna dig

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<v Speaker 1>into this a little bit. And so what happens is

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<v Speaker 1>um this protocol um. When you use cryptocurrency Ethereum, Bitcoin, etcetera,

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<v Speaker 1>it leaves a trail because it's open source, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we can always see the network. And so maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't use the protocol. But let's say that somebody paid

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<v Speaker 1>me with ethereum, and somebody had paid them with ethereums.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to pay them, and I'm gonna pay them. Six

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<v Speaker 1>people ago had used it, but the six people in

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<v Speaker 1>between that person and to me, none of us knew.

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<v Speaker 1>But all of a sudden, I'm in trouble even without

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<v Speaker 1>cry I didn't intend to do it, but that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what it did. And so a lot of um, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of companies, a lot of businesses, all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden started sanctioning or blocking all these types of transactions.

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<v Speaker 1>Big exchanges started blocking it. Anyway, I'm gonna break this

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<v Speaker 1>down for you. Want to show you what the government's

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<v Speaker 1>really doing, what their real motivation is with this, and

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<v Speaker 1>what this means for you. You're listening to the Markma

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<v Speaker 1>Show talking about the decentralized Revolution, talking about a very

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<v Speaker 1>big subject today. You don't want to miss what I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say about this. I'll be back with more

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute. Don't go away. I'll be right back,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Welcome back. You're listening to the Markma Show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the decentralized Revolution each and every week,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, same thing, talking about the way the world

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<v Speaker 1>is swinging from centralization back to decentralization. Looking at always

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<v Speaker 1>to the lens of politics, finance, and technology. Typically we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at a political issue or a financial issue or

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<v Speaker 1>technology issue. Today this is all three. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the U. S. Treasury Department UH moving against the financial

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<v Speaker 1>institutions UH and and technology. I mean, it's all three

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<v Speaker 1>repped in together and one. This is the type of

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<v Speaker 1>issues we like to talk about. So um, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go back and rehash everything we've already talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>If you missed it, check it out on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>your search MARKETMA podcast on your favorite player. You'll find

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<v Speaker 1>it all right. So, Um, the Treasury Department went to

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<v Speaker 1>sanction a protocol never happened before in history. Um, and

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<v Speaker 1>most likely it's not gonna work. But I'm gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>back to that, all right, but they did it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>What happens is the government tries to do all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things that we would consider unconstitutional. The government wents

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<v Speaker 1>to lock you down. The government must to force you

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<v Speaker 1>to put something in your body. The government wentst to

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<v Speaker 1>force you to put something on your face. The governments

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<v Speaker 1>to do all these things that are unconstitutional. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody has to challenge them. So now I have

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<v Speaker 1>to go to court and has to go up to

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court. And as we've seen over the last

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<v Speaker 1>two years, over and over and over again, all these

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<v Speaker 1>mandates that the president, the Biden administration, local governments put

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<v Speaker 1>into place, we're all found unconstitutional. They've all been not

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<v Speaker 1>well not all. Lots of them have been um found

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<v Speaker 1>on costution. Lots of them have been overturned. But it

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<v Speaker 1>took two years. It took two years to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this I believe will eventually probably be overturned.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is gonna stand for years, Okay, but let's

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<v Speaker 1>keep going, all right. So UM, the U. S. Treasury

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<v Speaker 1>moved against this protocol, which has never been done before.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it works. I don't think it stands

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<v Speaker 1>as unconstitutional UM. And they said, anybody who interacts with

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<v Speaker 1>this UM is gonna be in trouble. And so then

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<v Speaker 1>now all these cryptocurrency exchanges and stuff have begun blocking transactions.

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<v Speaker 1>One big exchange d y d x that it blocked

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<v Speaker 1>user accounts with even a token link to Tornado Cash.

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<v Speaker 1>So even any kind of a link, any type of

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<v Speaker 1>an attachment to Tornado Cash, you're instantly sanctioned. Boom, you're

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<v Speaker 1>instantly shut off. UM. A lot of people using stable coins,

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<v Speaker 1>these are dollar back stable coins like u S d

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<v Speaker 1>C for example, UM had their accounts frozen, seized, blocked

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<v Speaker 1>just because they think maybe you might have engaged with this,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't want anything to do with that because again,

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<v Speaker 1>your face in thirty years, even if you didn't intend

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<v Speaker 1>to engage, and it was done without your knowledge. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're just completely just blocking all this out. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. Now, before we dig through that, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to just back up a bit. I'm gonna frame this up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna jump into a little bit of a political

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<v Speaker 1>side for a second. Because you, you, you, whoever you

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<v Speaker 1>are listening to this right now, you are under attack.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say you're under attack, I mean your freedoms.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I get it all of a sudden. Now freedom

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<v Speaker 1>is supposedly a dirty word. They've been able to reframe

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<v Speaker 1>that somehow. UM this country that I grew up in,

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<v Speaker 1>that my grandfather and my father went to war to

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<v Speaker 1>protect for our freedoms. Um, Supposedly, now freedom is a

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<v Speaker 1>bad word. So I guess all those deaths, my grandfather's

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<v Speaker 1>death and my father's war efforts, those were in vain

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<v Speaker 1>because they fought for our freedom. But now freedom is

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<v Speaker 1>a bad words. So anyway, I reject that notion. But

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<v Speaker 1>your freedom is under attack. And what we're seeing is, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a full it's a full fledged attack from every angle.

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<v Speaker 1>And what they're trying to do is they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>corner us in from every single angle. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to dig into all these issues, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>frame up a couple all right, Um, this week, Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Jones is the most hated man in the world, all

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<v Speaker 1>over the news, Sandy Hook and all this. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing with this, um, with this trial is they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to set court precedence on what he said and

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<v Speaker 1>saying that what he said was illegal. So they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to box in freedom of speech. Right under the under

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution, we're guaranteed freedom of speech. But they want

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<v Speaker 1>to they want to box that in, and they want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, no, well, this type of speech is harmful

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<v Speaker 1>or hurtful or hateful, this type of speech doesn't qualify

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<v Speaker 1>under that. And so it's it's one direction. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>way you box it in. All right, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>dig super deep into that exact topic. We could if

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted. All right, then we have, um, we have

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<v Speaker 1>like the Trump January six situations going on. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, we had Trump on stage saying well, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, before January six, he requested them to add

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<v Speaker 1>more police. Nancy Peloson denied it. Then from stage he said,

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<v Speaker 1>do not go there. Everybody go home. So they have

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<v Speaker 1>all the evidence to show that he didn't but they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to say that he didn't say violence. But then

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<v Speaker 1>with the Supreme Court when they overturned Roe v. Wade,

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<v Speaker 1>you actually had Schumer and AOC call for violence literally

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<v Speaker 1>against Supreme Court justice, and people actually went to Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court Justice's house and tried to kill them. They went

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<v Speaker 1>to state capitals with the people with the public servants

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<v Speaker 1>in the building and banged on the windows. Incided from

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<v Speaker 1>the words that were said. But yet they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>frame this January six thing as again it's not about Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not trying to trans conversation about Trump. It's

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<v Speaker 1>another way they're trying to box in the freedom. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we have this treasury situation we're gonna dig into,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a lot. It's about a lot more than eyptocurrency. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to break that down. And then we have

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<v Speaker 1>the I R S news. I'm not gonna take super

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<v Speaker 1>deeper in that today, but I'm sure you if you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're halfway paying attention. You saw the i RS just

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<v Speaker 1>got a big budget. They're gonna hire whatever, like any

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand new agents, seven thousand there have more agents.

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<v Speaker 1>The IRS will have more agents than the Secretary of State,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI, and the Border Patrol all combined. And big

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<v Speaker 1>news over the last week. I'll talk about it later

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<v Speaker 1>in the show. Um, the I R S put out

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<v Speaker 1>all these job ads and they say you must be

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<v Speaker 1>willing to carry a gun, you must be willing to

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<v Speaker 1>use lethal force. And then under the lethal force guideline,

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<v Speaker 1>they said that you're allowed to use lethal force even

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<v Speaker 1>if a sub subject is is a fleeing from you,

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<v Speaker 1>So you they're allowed to shoot somebody even if the

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<v Speaker 1>suspect is fleeing, so not in self defense. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>attack from every angle. All right, I'm not gonna dig

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<v Speaker 1>into each those topics were sitting. You're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>Treasury Department sanctioning Tornado cash. What does this mean? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's break this down a little bit more. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Tornado cashally sanctioned by the Office of Foreign Asset

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<v Speaker 1>Controls the o FAK O f a C. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's the sd END list, which is a list

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<v Speaker 1>especially designated nationals with whom Americans and American businesses are

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to transact. So it means no American consider

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<v Speaker 1>to receive money to or from those addresses without dividing

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<v Speaker 1>those sanctions laws or else. Like I said, face thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years in prison. Pretty big deal. Now, what's different about

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<v Speaker 1>this is, like I said, we've never seen software be

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<v Speaker 1>put on the list before. Right, what we see is,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, people or governments or things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>not a tool. All right. Now the problem with this

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<v Speaker 1>is that any American who might have used Tornado cash, um,

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<v Speaker 1>even if they reject this, could be pulled into is.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's happened is we've seen this already happening. So UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I put this on Twitter. What we can see is

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<v Speaker 1>that somebody is out there quote unquote dusting a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of wallets from tornado. So what does that mean? So

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do is you can get little fractions

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<v Speaker 1>of ethereum that are worth just maybe a couple of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called dust, right, a fraction of of of of

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<v Speaker 1>an ethereum, and then you can dust them. You can

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<v Speaker 1>just send them out. And what they did is they

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<v Speaker 1>sent them to all these high level, high visibility accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>and now all these accounts are now tainted with um

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<v Speaker 1>dust or coins from this sanctioned address. So now everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble. Now it's almost like a d D o

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<v Speaker 1>S attack on what the Treasury sanctions is pretty big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So now all of these people are going to be

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<v Speaker 1>potentially facing thirty years in prison because it was done

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<v Speaker 1>without even their knowledge or or consent. They didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know about it, they had no intent, but it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so this is so it's escalating really quickly. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to the Mark Moa show, I'm breaking down

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest stories this week and what it

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<v Speaker 1>really means to It's pretty deep. It's pretty big, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is super important. Do not go away. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to hear what I have to say. When I come back,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back in a minute. All right, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back here, listening to the Mark Moa Show, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about one of the biggest stories this week. And really, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it's way bigger than that. I mean, this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a key story for years to come. This

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a key story in history books

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<v Speaker 1>in the future because this move that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do right here is going to and uh, when what

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<v Speaker 1>Obama wanted when he ran on what he said quoteing

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<v Speaker 1>him fundamentally transform America. This is fundamentally transforming America. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentally transforming the constitution and the law of the land,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're using these little tricks to try to erode

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<v Speaker 1>that as best they can. So let me finish talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this. So we're seeing this cat and mouse game

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<v Speaker 1>here where the governments are trying to crack down on UM,

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<v Speaker 1>on this technology. UM, and it's not really working all right.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we see is that, um, all these sanctions

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<v Speaker 1>started happening, all these people started blocking. But here's here's why, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really messed up. So the Treasury added tornado cash,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a piece of software. It's a protocol like

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<v Speaker 1>SMTP or HTTPS. All right, uh, and they left against

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<v Speaker 1>a faceless, nameless piece of software, not a person like

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<v Speaker 1>it should be. But the problem is is that computer

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<v Speaker 1>code is neither a person. They're not a legal entity, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And software is code, and code is speech, and speech

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<v Speaker 1>is protected by the Constitution specifically, and as a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, it's been challenged multiple times and it's been

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<v Speaker 1>upheld multi of all times, so we know that code

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<v Speaker 1>is speech. So they tried to outlaw cryptography. So cryptography

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<v Speaker 1>is a way that I can cryptographically secure my message.

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<v Speaker 1>If I want to use Signal as an app to

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<v Speaker 1>message you, for example, it's encrypted. Bitcoin is encrypted. They

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<v Speaker 1>the government said, no, you can't use encryption. It's illegal

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<v Speaker 1>for you to encrypt things. And um, they said that

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, it was considered munitions or weapons. And

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<v Speaker 1>it went to the Supreme Court and um, the cipher

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<v Speaker 1>punks as we called them at the time, they printed

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<v Speaker 1>out the code on paper and they brought the paper

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<v Speaker 1>and they put it up on the Supreme Court's desk

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, look, it's it's speech. It's it's text,

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<v Speaker 1>it's letters and numbers. And they said, you're right, code

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<v Speaker 1>is speech, it's protected Bernstein versus the d o J.

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<v Speaker 1>Look it up. Similarly, there was another one and then

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<v Speaker 1>they determined that money is speech, or more precisely, what

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<v Speaker 1>you do with your money is speech. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>look it up. Check out Buckley versus Valuo Um. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also look up citizens. You know, I died versus

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<v Speaker 1>the f e C. So, look, this has happened, this

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<v Speaker 1>has gone to the Supreme Court. We already know the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution guarantees free speech. Code is speech, what you do

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<v Speaker 1>with your money speech, it's protected. Yeah, doesn't doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>in Obama's America that it wants to fundamentally transform it

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<v Speaker 1>by eroding the constitution. Now, the legal doctrine of prior

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<v Speaker 1>restraint holds the pre emptive government censorship is almost always unconstitutional. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the prior, the legal doctor and prior restraint. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the precedent that's been set. Shows that any time the

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<v Speaker 1>government tries to get in front of censorship, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>been found unconstitutional. And even government acts that have have

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<v Speaker 1>a substantial chilling effect on speech are also I've also

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<v Speaker 1>been found to be unconstitutional. Again, look up Americans for

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<v Speaker 1>Prosperity versus Banta. All right, look it up, Americans for

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<v Speaker 1>Prosperity versus Banta. Now back to sanctions. Now, sanctions law

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<v Speaker 1>is a strict liability regime, meaning again, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>punishment side did if American transaction with a sanctioned person,

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<v Speaker 1>even without attent, even without knowledging, We're facing thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty bad, all right. So this is what's considered

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<v Speaker 1>a quintessential prior restraint or chilling effects. So what does

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<v Speaker 1>this mean by them saying, hey, we're gonna kill you

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<v Speaker 1>on site if you do this, even if you don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>well what's going to happen. A lot of people are

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<v Speaker 1>gonna chill. I think it's gonna have a chill effect.

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<v Speaker 1>People are going to have a restraint. I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere near that because I could unknowingly even get

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<v Speaker 1>caught up in that, and then I could be facing

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years. So I'm not even gonna go anywhere near it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a prior restraint or chilling effect. But as

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<v Speaker 1>I just said, even government acts that have a chilling

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<v Speaker 1>effect on speech have been found to be unconstitutional. So

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<v Speaker 1>even them doing this that even causes us to act

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<v Speaker 1>accordingly have been found to be unconstitutional. Americans for Prosperity

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<v Speaker 1>in versus Banta, all right, So I'm just framing this

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<v Speaker 1>up for you. But beyond beyond the very obvious First

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment violations, very obvious, I just I decided for four

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<v Speaker 1>court cases, and I am an attorney. All right, four

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<v Speaker 1>court cases right there. Beyond the very obvious First Amendment violation,

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<v Speaker 1>what they've done here also raises all types of other

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<v Speaker 1>concerns that are unconstitutional, Like, um, let's see innocent until

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<v Speaker 1>proven guilty or do process, you know, things like that. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see it has do process concerns if the code

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't afforded adequate notice or opportunity to appeal, and individuals

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<v Speaker 1>may be implicated without any means to comply. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>how our justice system works. UM. Now, Like I said, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this has been found to be unconstitutional. It's been tried

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<v Speaker 1>multiple times. I give you multiple precedents. Um M. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope I feel pretty sure based off of the way

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<v Speaker 1>the law is today, not on how it's under attack.

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<v Speaker 1>But I hope um, that this is not in the

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<v Speaker 1>Treasuries favor. I believe as the law stance today, this

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<v Speaker 1>would be overturned. But the problem is, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>but we've started going, is that litigation can take years

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<v Speaker 1>to play out. Going back to the COVID restrictions, Biden's

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<v Speaker 1>vaccine mandate, it was overturned. Judges found it to be unconstitutional,

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the mandatory mass on airplanes were overturned. All these things

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>were restaurants here in southern California were shut down and

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>judges found it unconstitutional. They reversed it, they opened the

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<v Speaker 1>back up over and over, but it didn't mean all

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>those people didn't lose their businesses. Didn't mean they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>lose their jobs, lose their homes, whatever they lost. Two

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<v Speaker 1>years went by before those things were reversed. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that this does not work out in the Treasury's favor.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the Supreme Court finds them to be

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<v Speaker 1>unconstitutional and reverses this, but it could take years and

0:24:57.600 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>there can be a lot of damage done in years now.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also based off the Supreme Court that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the Biden administration is trying to change the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court. After the overturn of Roe v. Wade, and

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and they they've come out and say that. Um, I

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<v Speaker 1>think AOC and Maxine Waters have come out and said

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<v Speaker 1>that the Supreme Court is an enemy. Now they're they're

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 1>they're a threat to the democracy. They said they need

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<v Speaker 1>to uh, they need they needed now change the makeup,

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<v Speaker 1>take away the power of the Supreme Court. So as

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<v Speaker 1>it stands today, I think this doesn't end up in

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<v Speaker 1>the Treasury favor if AOC and Maxine Waters and UM

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<v Speaker 1>crew get their way. I mean, who knows. Now, let's

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<v Speaker 1>dig in a little bit deeper. Okay, this is where

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<v Speaker 1>it starts getting really serious. Okay, Now, UM, let's say

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.280
<v Speaker 1>that Tornado cash is used by criminals though, Mark, like

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 1>people like like I heard North Korea. I heard North

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Korea laundered money through there. And you certainly don't want

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>North Korea to launder money, now do you, Mark? I

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>mean North Korea is an enemy. They could, you know,

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>shoot a missile at US, And I would say, sure,

0:25:56.280 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't want to help North Korea. Um. And

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I think any sensible person wouldn't want to help North

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<v Speaker 1>Korea or any bad actor for that matter. I would agree,

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 1>I agree, But let's play this out a little bit

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, because it was used by criminals, it deserves

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<v Speaker 1>to be shut down. Right, Is that what we're gonna

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>agree on. Okay, well, let me explain why that completely

0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>misses the point. And this is where it goes into.

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Remember I said, stop thinking about things in first order thinking.

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Now take them to second and third or fourth order.

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.479
<v Speaker 1>So let's thank do this. Um, if the Treasury had

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<v Speaker 1>sanctioned the criminals or the hackers that had used this tool,

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 1>this protocol, this public good, Hey, no problem. Um, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>North Korea, you're a bad actor. We're afraid you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do a bunch of terrorism. You have nuclear weapons, whatever,

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 1>we're going to sanction you, right or x y Z

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you're bad actor, used Tornado cash to do bad things.

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna sanction you. We're gonna arrest you, We're gonna,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, indict you whatever. Okay, great, no big deal, right,

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:06.320
<v Speaker 1>but that's not what happened, all right, Um, And I'm

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:07.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna gonna turn this on his head and

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna see exactly what I'm talking about, and then

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna put it, put it, put a bow in it,

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>so you can understand how big of a deal this

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>is and you didn't know about it. Um, you're listening

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.480
<v Speaker 1>to the Mark Moa Show talking about the decentralized revolution.

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Each and every week, I talked about the way the

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.840
<v Speaker 1>world is swinging from centralization to decentralization to the lens

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 1>of politics, finance, and technology. And the story we're talking

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>about today is all three of these things. And I'm

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to show you pass the headlines, you can see

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>just how big of a deal this is and why

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make any sense. We're back with all of

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 1>that and more in a minute. And like I said,

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna fundamentally transform America and not for the better.

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>So I'll be back with all that and more in

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>a minute. Do not go away. I'll be right back.

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>All right, Welcome back. You are listening to the Mark

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>ma Show. We're talking about, of course, each and every week,

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.359
<v Speaker 1>the decentralized revolution, looking at through the lens of politics, finance,

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 1>and technology. Of course that technology is Bitcoin, the decentralized technology.

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:03.679
<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about a story today that is one

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:06.679
<v Speaker 1>of the most important topics I've talked about in a

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>long time, if not ever, on this show. This is

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.159
<v Speaker 1>a big deal. Now. I talked about it from a

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>bunch of different angles. We are we are seeing a

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>full scale attack on our freedom UM from every agency,

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 1>from the I r S, from the FBI, UM, the

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 1>and now even the Treasury Department. And this Treasure Department

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.240
<v Speaker 1>deal isn't what it seems on the surface. You have

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 1>to dig below second, third, fourth layers to understand this.

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.959
<v Speaker 1>That's where if you've missed what I've said, if you're

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>just tuning in, you've missed a lot. I can't recap

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>it all, but you can go check it out on

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the podcast um search Smart moss Um podcast on your

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>favorite podcast player, or on the YouTube. Just search Mark

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Moss on YouTube and you'll find it on the Market

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Disruptors channel as well as you can watch me live

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 1>if you want to see what I look like, or

0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>check it on the podcast. Okay, so jumping back in, So,

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<v Speaker 1>if the Treasury had UM sanctioned to criminals, because of

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 1>course we have laws against doing bad things, that would

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>be okay. That's not what happened. They sanctioned a piece

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>of open source code, which means it's not owned by anybody,

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 1>just like SMTP for your email, just like HTTPS for

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>your website, and just like h T, C, P, I

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>P for your Internet or whatever. Al Right, it's not

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>not owned by anybody. It's freely available for anyone to use,

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>which makes it a public good. Okay, Now this is

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the crux of the argument right here. It's a public good.

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 1>So look, we all me you. We enjoy the benefits

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>of public goods all the time, every day in every

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>area of your life. All right. Before I went on

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>the radio, I had to go up to l A.

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I drove on the freeway, the five Freeway. That's a

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 1>public good, all right, Um, right now I'm using the

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Internet to communicate with you, to record this. Um, that's

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>a public good. Right. The banking system, the roads that

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>we drive on, the highways, the transfer space, infrastructure of

0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the airplanes, those are all public infrastructure. Those are all

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>public goods as infrastructure that everybody uses all the day.

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>And if I had to guess, I would imagine that

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>criminals use those things. I bet you criminals drive on

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the highways. I bet you criminals use the internet. I

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>bet you criminals use um dollars. Um. I bet you

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 1>they use transportation infrastructure. I bet you they drink water

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and eat food too. I bet all right, I mean,

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>how else would you stay alive. So we all enjoy

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:39.959
<v Speaker 1>the benefits of these public goods, we all use them

0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>every day. Criminals do too. Now again, I'm not advocating

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>avocating for breaking laws. As a matter of fact, we

0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 1>have laws in place, and I believe that those should

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>be enforced. I'm mad that we have attorney generals in

0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:54.719
<v Speaker 1>this country that do not prosecute laws that are on

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the books. But that's a different topic. So I'm not

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>advocating for not being hard and crime. I say we should.

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>We have laws, and we should pursue criminals. We should

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 1>pursue people who use public who misuse public goods. Right,

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>we should do that. We have laws, but we don't

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>sanction the tool. Right, I can use a screwdriver to

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 1>fix my car, or I could really harm somebody with

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a screwdriver really bad. But we're not gonna We're not

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna sanction the screwdriver. Okay, nobody can use screw drivers now, No,

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>A screwdrivers a tool. It can be used for good

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and bad. We don't sanction smt P for email because

0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 1>a hacker sent you a phishing email and then they

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>hacked your computer. Right, we don't sanction the five free

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Way I drove on earlier because criminal drove, you know,

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>with the whatever drove on it earlier. Drug dealers, you know,

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 1>drug dealers use the highway. If it wasn't for highways,

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>we'd have no drug dealers. So we should just ban

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>all highways. You know, drug dealers they use self cell towers,

0:31:56.200 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>so we should just ban all cell towers. Terrorists I mean,

0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>ter heaven forbid, I mean, terrorists use cell phones. No,

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>so let's just ban all cell phones because terrorists use

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>it in self. Terrorists they drink water. We should just

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 1>ban water too. Do you see what I'm talking about?

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>None of those things, cell towers, the freeway, SMTP for email,

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>None of those things are people. And neither is Tornado Cash.

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>It's a software protocol now, like email, like highways, like um,

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>you know whatever. Tornado Cash has maybe potentially been misused

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.239
<v Speaker 1>by criminals for criminal ins. So for example, if I

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 1>misused the mail system, the U S Mail to defraud

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>people in other states, then I'm guilty of and I'm

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>found guilty obviously innocentil proven guilty, and then I have

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>to be convicted. But then I could be convicted of

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>interstate crimes or whatever whatever, federal crimes. I'm not sorry,

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not attorney there, but they'd say, hey, now you've

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>used this public good and now you've gone over over

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the out of your state. So now you're even more

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of even bigger things. So if I've used one

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 1>of these tools like the U S Mail to do

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>a crime, then I'm guilty of even bigger problems. If

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I've used email, maybe I'm guilty of bigger problems. But

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>it's the crime that I committed. It's not banning the U.

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>S Mail. That's the whole point that I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Tornado Cash is a tool that enables law

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 1>abiding citizens to maintain their privacy on the blockchain for

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<v Speaker 1>a whole host of legal purposes, including political speech, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've said, has been protected multiple times, not only

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<v Speaker 1>by the Constitution but upheld by the Supreme Court. So

0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a tool. Law bodies use it for things that

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<v Speaker 1>are explicitly protected, and yes, some bad people use it too,

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>but bad people use all types of things, and they

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<v Speaker 1>should be prosecuted for the bad things they've done, not

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>for the tools they use. Now, if we take this

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<v Speaker 1>to its log dot logical conclusion. This is where it

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 1>starts getting scary. If the U. S. Treasury can sanction

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Tornado cash, then they can sanction any piece of code.

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 1>No software is safe. So now shoot, you know, um,

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.240
<v Speaker 1>people are using the T C P I P Internet

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to spread disinformation. That's dangerous. So those people are criminals.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>They so anybody who's the Internet now is just instantly criminal.

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 1>No mark, You're you're being you're being uh, you're you're

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 1>being crazy. There's just no way that will ever happen.

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Things don't always started as extreme. It's a

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>slippery slope. You start small. If they can, if they

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 1>can sanction any if they can, if they can sanction this,

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 1>they can sanction any code. No software is safe, No

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:57.560
<v Speaker 1>encryption on your phone, no encryption on your no VPNs

0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>on your computer, no signal or What's app um or

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Telegram on your phone. If sanctions are no longer limited

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>to people like they're supposed to. If being uh, if

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>if being wrong, if doing something wrong criminally wrong isn't

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>isn't attributed to people but instead tools, that's a big deal. Now.

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Privacy and free speech are the bedrock of free and

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>open societies. This is the key piece here. Stop and

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:41.399
<v Speaker 1>think about what I'm saying. Privacy and free speech are

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:46.800
<v Speaker 1>the bedrock of free and open societies. Without the freedom

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of speech, without the freedom to communicate with each other,

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>we have no communication. We have no innovation, we have

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>no discussion. There's no way to find truth, there's no

0:35:56.680 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 1>way to have progress, there's no way to have a

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 1>free and open society without privacy and freedom of speech.

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>And this is what's under attack. This is exactly what

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the Treasury sanctioned this week. It's not going after some cryptocurrency,

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not going after some financial transaction. It's not even

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>going after some bad guy who maybe use this protocol.

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Go after the bad guy. If what he did is bad,

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 1>go after him. What they're going after is your privacy

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 1>and your freedom of speech. And if this stands, then

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>no piece of software is safe, and your freedom and

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<v Speaker 1>your privacy are not safe. It's under attack from every angle.

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<v Speaker 1>I broke him down to the bend of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>If you missed it, go check out on the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and just search Mark Moss on your favorite podcast player

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<v Speaker 1>or on YouTube. Um. But this is what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and you need to know about it. You need to

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<v Speaker 1>stand up against it. You need to say something, to

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<v Speaker 1>do something. Spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family.

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<v Speaker 1>More importantly, talk to your local sheriff's, talk to your

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<v Speaker 1>local representatives, council members, etcetera. If you're listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>Markmas Show, trying to help you navigate the decentralized revolution

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<v Speaker 1>the world is going through right now. Hopefully that made sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you listening today. That's what I got, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>until next time,