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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mark Moa

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Speaker 1: Show where we talk about the decentralized revolution. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about the way the world is changing right before our

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Speaker 1: very eyes, going from the pendulum as it swings from

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Speaker 1: centralization to decentralization. We look at it through the lens

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Speaker 1: of politics, finance, and technology each and every week, and

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Speaker 1: of course it's the technology that changes the world. When

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Speaker 1: we look through thousands of years of history, it's always technology,

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Speaker 1: and of course that technology is bitcoin. It's changing the

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Speaker 1: world as we know it, and we're looking at it

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Speaker 1: through those lens. And today we have, uh, we got

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Speaker 1: something big and something serious to talk about, um, something

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Speaker 1: And I don't think most people are seeing what's going on.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna take this chance to take a

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Speaker 1: situation that developed this week that was all over the news,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna peel this thing back so you can

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Speaker 1: understand what's really going on. Um. It's something that everybody

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Speaker 1: should learn how to do. And we would we would

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Speaker 1: call it like past first order thinking, so you needn't

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Speaker 1: look into like second order and third order thinking consequences.

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Speaker 1: Things like that So I'm gonna take this issue that's

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Speaker 1: blown up this week, um, and then we're gonna break

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Speaker 1: it down. And what am I talking about? While I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about in the cryptocurrency space, Um, there was a

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Speaker 1: protocol called Tornado Cash and it was sanctioned by the

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Speaker 1: US Treasury. So this is about politics, this is about finance,

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Speaker 1: and it's about technology. It's all three as I talked

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Speaker 1: about each and every week. So in the cryptocurrency market,

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Speaker 1: Tornado Cash is a protocol that was sanctioned by the

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Speaker 1: US Treasury Department. And this is big, big news. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, it's gonna change It's going to change the

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Speaker 1: United States. Um, either way, this is a big deal

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna cover that, all right, So

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Speaker 1: let's break this down a little bit for you. So

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Speaker 1: what happened. So there's a protocol. First of all, what

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Speaker 1: do I mean? What's the protocol? So a protocol as

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Speaker 1: a piece of code, and a piece of code just

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Speaker 1: that protocol tells the Internet technology how to route packets

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Speaker 1: that computer code route email. UM. Then we have like

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Speaker 1: protocols now. Nobody owns the SMTP protocol for email. Nobody

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Speaker 1: but I build it on the SMTP protocol. That protocol

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Speaker 1: that isn't owned by anybody. It's just a piece of code.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a generally agreed to code that everybody uses.

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Speaker 1: It's permissionless. Um. It's not owned by anybody. There's no president,

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Speaker 1: It's a piece of software. Now, um, it's it uses

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Speaker 1: All right, So we have a protocol like SMTP or

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Speaker 1: tornado cash UM is a protocol for the Ethereum network.

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Speaker 1: And what it does is it um It allows people

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Speaker 1: been sanctioned, right So governments, regimes, people are sanctioned, but

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the decentralized Revolution each and every week,

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Speaker 1: of course, same thing, talking about the way the world

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Speaker 1: back to that, all right, but they did it. Um.

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Speaker 1: caught up in that, and then I could be facing

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Speaker 1: thirty years. So I'm not even gonna go anywhere near it.

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Speaker 1: So it's a prior restraint or chilling effect. But as

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Speaker 1: I just said, even government acts that have a chilling

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Speaker 1: effect on speech have been found to be unconstitutional. So

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Speaker 1: even them doing this that even causes us to act

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Speaker 1: accordingly have been found to be unconstitutional. Americans for Prosperity

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Speaker 1: in versus Banta, all right, So I'm just framing this

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Speaker 1: up for you. But beyond beyond the very obvious First

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Speaker 1: court cases, and I am an attorney. All right, four

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Speaker 1: court cases right there. Beyond the very obvious First Amendment violation,

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Speaker 1: what they've done here also raises all types of other

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Speaker 1: concerns that are unconstitutional, Like, um, let's see innocent until

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Speaker 1: proven guilty or do process, you know, things like that. So, um,

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Speaker 1: let's see it has do process concerns if the code

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Speaker 1: wasn't afforded adequate notice or opportunity to appeal, and individuals

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Speaker 1: may be implicated without any means to comply. That's not

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Speaker 1: how our justice system works. UM. Now, Like I said, uh,

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Speaker 1: this has been found to be unconstitutional. It's been tried

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Speaker 1: multiple times. I give you multiple precedents. Um M. I

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Speaker 1: hope I feel pretty sure based off of the way

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Speaker 1: the law is today, not on how it's under attack.

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Speaker 1: But I hope um, that this is not in the

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Speaker 1: Treasuries favor. I believe as the law stance today, this

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Speaker 1: would be overturned. But the problem is, as I said,

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Speaker 1: but we've started going, is that litigation can take years

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Speaker 1: to play out. Going back to the COVID restrictions, Biden's

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Speaker 1: vaccine mandate, it was overturned. Judges found it to be unconstitutional,

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Speaker 1: the mandatory mass on airplanes were overturned. All these things

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Speaker 1: were restaurants here in southern California were shut down and

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Speaker 1: judges found it unconstitutional. They reversed it, they opened the

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Speaker 1: back up over and over, but it didn't mean all

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Speaker 1: those people didn't lose their businesses. Didn't mean they didn't

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Speaker 1: lose their jobs, lose their homes, whatever they lost. Two

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Speaker 1: years went by before those things were reversed. So I

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Speaker 1: think that this does not work out in the Treasury's favor.

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Speaker 1: I think that the Supreme Court finds them to be

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Speaker 1: unconstitutional and reverses this, but it could take years and

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Speaker 1: there can be a lot of damage done in years now.

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Speaker 1: This is also based off the Supreme Court that we have.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the Biden administration is trying to change the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. After the overturn of Roe v. Wade, and

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Speaker 1: and they they've come out and say that. Um, I

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Speaker 1: think AOC and Maxine Waters have come out and said

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Speaker 1: that the Supreme Court is an enemy. Now they're they're

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Speaker 1: they're a threat to the democracy. They said they need

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Speaker 1: to uh, they need they needed now change the makeup,

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Speaker 1: take away the power of the Supreme Court. So as

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Speaker 1: it stands today, I think this doesn't end up in

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Speaker 1: the Treasury favor if AOC and Maxine Waters and UM

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Speaker 1: crew get their way. I mean, who knows. Now, let's

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Speaker 1: dig in a little bit deeper. Okay, this is where

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Speaker 1: it starts getting really serious. Okay, Now, UM, let's say

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Speaker 1: that Tornado cash is used by criminals though, Mark, like

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Speaker 1: people like like I heard North Korea. I heard North

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Speaker 1: Korea laundered money through there. And you certainly don't want

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Speaker 1: North Korea to launder money, now do you, Mark? I

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Speaker 1: mean North Korea is an enemy. They could, you know,

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Speaker 1: shoot a missile at US, And I would say, sure,

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Speaker 1: I certainly don't want to help North Korea. Um. And

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Speaker 1: I think any sensible person wouldn't want to help North

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Speaker 1: Korea or any bad actor for that matter. I would agree,

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Speaker 1: I agree, But let's play this out a little bit

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Speaker 1: all right, because it was used by criminals, it deserves

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Speaker 1: to be shut down. Right, Is that what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: agree on. Okay, well, let me explain why that completely

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Speaker 1: misses the point. And this is where it goes into.

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Speaker 1: Remember I said, stop thinking about things in first order thinking.

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Speaker 1: Now take them to second and third or fourth order.

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Speaker 1: So let's thank do this. Um, if the Treasury had

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Speaker 1: sanctioned the criminals or the hackers that had used this tool,

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Speaker 1: this protocol, this public good, Hey, no problem. Um, Hey,

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Speaker 1: North Korea, you're a bad actor. We're afraid you're gonna

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Speaker 1: do a bunch of terrorism. You have nuclear weapons, whatever,

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Speaker 1: we're going to sanction you, right or x y Z

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Speaker 1: you're bad actor, used Tornado cash to do bad things.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna sanction you. We're gonna arrest you, We're gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, indict you whatever. Okay, great, no big deal, right,

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Speaker 1: but that's not what happened, all right, Um, And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna gonna turn this on his head and

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see exactly what I'm talking about, and then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna put it, put it, put a bow in it,

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Speaker 1: so you can understand how big of a deal this

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Speaker 1: is and you didn't know about it. Um, you're listening

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Speaker 1: to the Mark Moa Show talking about the decentralized revolution.

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Speaker 1: Each and every week, I talked about the way the

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Speaker 1: world is swinging from centralization to decentralization to the lens

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Speaker 1: of politics, finance, and technology. And the story we're talking

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Speaker 1: about today is all three of these things. And I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to show you pass the headlines, you can see

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Speaker 1: just how big of a deal this is and why

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. We're back with all of

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Speaker 1: that and more in a minute. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna fundamentally transform America and not for the better.

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Speaker 1: So I'll be back with all that and more in

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Speaker 1: a minute. Do not go away. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back. You are listening to the Mark

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Speaker 1: ma Show. We're talking about, of course, each and every week,

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Speaker 1: the decentralized revolution, looking at through the lens of politics, finance,

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Speaker 1: and technology. Of course that technology is Bitcoin, the decentralized technology.

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about a story today that is one

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Speaker 1: of the most important topics I've talked about in a

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Speaker 1: long time, if not ever, on this show. This is

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Speaker 1: a big deal. Now. I talked about it from a

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Speaker 1: bunch of different angles. We are we are seeing a

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Speaker 1: full scale attack on our freedom UM from every agency,

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Speaker 1: from the I r S, from the FBI, UM, the

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Speaker 1: and now even the Treasury Department. And this Treasure Department

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Speaker 1: deal isn't what it seems on the surface. You have

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Speaker 1: to dig below second, third, fourth layers to understand this.

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Speaker 1: That's where if you've missed what I've said, if you're

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Speaker 1: just tuning in, you've missed a lot. I can't recap

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Speaker 1: it all, but you can go check it out on

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Speaker 1: the podcast um search Smart moss Um podcast on your

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Speaker 1: favorite podcast player, or on the YouTube. Just search Mark

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Speaker 1: Moss on YouTube and you'll find it on the Market

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Speaker 1: Disruptors channel as well as you can watch me live

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Speaker 1: if you want to see what I look like, or

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00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: check it on the podcast. Okay, so jumping back in, So,

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Speaker 1: if the Treasury had UM sanctioned to criminals, because of

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Speaker 1: course we have laws against doing bad things, that would

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Speaker 1: be okay. That's not what happened. They sanctioned a piece

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Speaker 1: of open source code, which means it's not owned by anybody,

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Speaker 1: just like SMTP for your email, just like HTTPS for

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Speaker 1: your website, and just like h T, C, P, I

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Speaker 1: P for your Internet or whatever. Al Right, it's not

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Speaker 1: not owned by anybody. It's freely available for anyone to use,

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Speaker 1: which makes it a public good. Okay, Now this is

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Speaker 1: the crux of the argument right here. It's a public good.

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Speaker 1: So look, we all me you. We enjoy the benefits

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Speaker 1: of public goods all the time, every day in every

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Speaker 1: area of your life. All right. Before I went on

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Speaker 1: the radio, I had to go up to l A.

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Speaker 1: I drove on the freeway, the five Freeway. That's a

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Speaker 1: public good, all right, Um, right now I'm using the

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Speaker 1: Internet to communicate with you, to record this. Um, that's

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Speaker 1: a public good. Right. The banking system, the roads that

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Speaker 1: we drive on, the highways, the transfer space, infrastructure of

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Speaker 1: the airplanes, those are all public infrastructure. Those are all

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Speaker 1: public goods as infrastructure that everybody uses all the day.

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Speaker 1: And if I had to guess, I would imagine that

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Speaker 1: criminals use those things. I bet you criminals drive on

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Speaker 1: the highways. I bet you criminals use the internet. I

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Speaker 1: bet you criminals use um dollars. Um. I bet you

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Speaker 1: they use transportation infrastructure. I bet you they drink water

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Speaker 1: and eat food too. I bet all right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: how else would you stay alive. So we all enjoy

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Speaker 1: the benefits of these public goods, we all use them

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Speaker 1: every day. Criminals do too. Now again, I'm not advocating

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Speaker 1: avocating for breaking laws. As a matter of fact, we

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Speaker 1: have laws in place, and I believe that those should

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Speaker 1: be enforced. I'm mad that we have attorney generals in

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Speaker 1: this country that do not prosecute laws that are on

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Speaker 1: the books. But that's a different topic. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: advocating for not being hard and crime. I say we should.

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Speaker 1: We have laws, and we should pursue criminals. We should

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Speaker 1: pursue people who use public who misuse public goods. Right,

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Speaker 1: we should do that. We have laws, but we don't

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Speaker 1: sanction the tool. Right, I can use a screwdriver to

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Speaker 1: fix my car, or I could really harm somebody with

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Speaker 1: a screwdriver really bad. But we're not gonna We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna sanction the screwdriver. Okay, nobody can use screw drivers now, No,

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Speaker 1: A screwdrivers a tool. It can be used for good

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Speaker 1: and bad. We don't sanction smt P for email because

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Speaker 1: a hacker sent you a phishing email and then they

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Speaker 1: hacked your computer. Right, we don't sanction the five free

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Speaker 1: Way I drove on earlier because criminal drove, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the whatever drove on it earlier. Drug dealers, you know,

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Speaker 1: drug dealers use the highway. If it wasn't for highways,

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Speaker 1: we'd have no drug dealers. So we should just ban

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Speaker 1: all highways. You know, drug dealers they use self cell towers,

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Speaker 1: so we should just ban all cell towers. Terrorists I mean,

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Speaker 1: ter heaven forbid, I mean, terrorists use cell phones. No,

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Speaker 1: so let's just ban all cell phones because terrorists use

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Speaker 1: it in self. Terrorists they drink water. We should just

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Speaker 1: ban water too. Do you see what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 1: None of those things, cell towers, the freeway, SMTP for email,

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Speaker 1: None of those things are people. And neither is Tornado Cash.

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Speaker 1: It's a software protocol now, like email, like highways, like um,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever. Tornado Cash has maybe potentially been misused

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Speaker 1: by criminals for criminal ins. So for example, if I

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Speaker 1: misused the mail system, the U S Mail to defraud

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Speaker 1: people in other states, then I'm guilty of and I'm

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Speaker 1: found guilty obviously innocentil proven guilty, and then I have

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Speaker 1: to be convicted. But then I could be convicted of

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Speaker 1: interstate crimes or whatever whatever, federal crimes. I'm not sorry,

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Speaker 1: I'm not attorney there, but they'd say, hey, now you've

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Speaker 1: used this public good and now you've gone over over

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Speaker 1: the out of your state. So now you're even more

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Speaker 1: guilty of even bigger things. So if I've used one

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Speaker 1: of these tools like the U S Mail to do

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Speaker 1: a crime, then I'm guilty of even bigger problems. If

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Speaker 1: I've used email, maybe I'm guilty of bigger problems. But

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Speaker 1: it's the crime that I committed. It's not banning the U.

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Speaker 1: S Mail. That's the whole point that I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: all right. Tornado Cash is a tool that enables law

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Speaker 1: abiding citizens to maintain their privacy on the blockchain for

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Speaker 1: a whole host of legal purposes, including political speech, which is,

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Speaker 1: as I've said, has been protected multiple times, not only

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Speaker 1: by the Constitution but upheld by the Supreme Court. So

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Speaker 1: it's a tool. Law bodies use it for things that

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Speaker 1: are explicitly protected, and yes, some bad people use it too,

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Speaker 1: but bad people use all types of things, and they

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Speaker 1: should be prosecuted for the bad things they've done, not

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Speaker 1: for the tools they use. Now, if we take this

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Speaker 1: to its log dot logical conclusion. This is where it

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Speaker 1: starts getting scary. If the U. S. Treasury can sanction

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Speaker 1: Tornado cash, then they can sanction any piece of code.

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Speaker 1: No software is safe. So now shoot, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: people are using the T C P I P Internet

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Speaker 1: to spread disinformation. That's dangerous. So those people are criminals.

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Speaker 1: They so anybody who's the Internet now is just instantly criminal.

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Speaker 1: No mark, You're you're being you're being uh, you're you're

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Speaker 1: being crazy. There's just no way that will ever happen.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Things don't always started as extreme. It's a

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Speaker 1: slippery slope. You start small. If they can, if they

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Speaker 1: can sanction any if they can, if they can sanction this,

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Speaker 1: they can sanction any code. No software is safe, No

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Speaker 1: encryption on your phone, no encryption on your no VPNs

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Speaker 1: on your computer, no signal or What's app um or

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Speaker 1: Telegram on your phone. If sanctions are no longer limited

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Speaker 1: to people like they're supposed to. If being uh, if

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Speaker 1: if being wrong, if doing something wrong criminally wrong isn't

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Speaker 1: isn't attributed to people but instead tools, that's a big deal. Now.

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Speaker 1: Privacy and free speech are the bedrock of free and

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Speaker 1: open societies. This is the key piece here. Stop and

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Speaker 1: think about what I'm saying. Privacy and free speech are

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Speaker 1: the bedrock of free and open societies. Without the freedom

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Speaker 1: of speech, without the freedom to communicate with each other,

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Speaker 1: we have no communication. We have no innovation, we have

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Speaker 1: no discussion. There's no way to find truth, there's no

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Speaker 1: way to have progress, there's no way to have a

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Speaker 1: free and open society without privacy and freedom of speech.

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Speaker 1: And this is what's under attack. This is exactly what

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Speaker 1: the Treasury sanctioned this week. It's not going after some cryptocurrency,

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Speaker 1: it's not going after some financial transaction. It's not even

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Speaker 1: going after some bad guy who maybe use this protocol.

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Speaker 1: Go after the bad guy. If what he did is bad,

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Speaker 1: go after him. What they're going after is your privacy

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Speaker 1: and your freedom of speech. And if this stands, then

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Speaker 1: no piece of software is safe, and your freedom and

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Speaker 1: your privacy are not safe. It's under attack from every angle.

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Speaker 1: I broke him down to the bend of the show.

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Speaker 1: If you missed it, go check out on the podcast

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Speaker 1: and just search Mark Moss on your favorite podcast player

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Speaker 1: or on YouTube. Um. But this is what's going on,

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Speaker 1: and you need to know about it. You need to

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Speaker 1: stand up against it. You need to say something, to

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Speaker 1: do something. Spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family.

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Speaker 1: More importantly, talk to your local sheriff's, talk to your

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Speaker 1: local representatives, council members, etcetera. If you're listening to the

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Speaker 1: Markmas Show, trying to help you navigate the decentralized revolution

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Speaker 1: the world is going through right now. Hopefully that made sense.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you listening today. That's what I got, all right,

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Speaker 1: until next time,