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Speaker 2: I honestly don't have thought about it a lot, although

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Speaker 3: I wonder if these AI sex bot things are going

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Speaker 3: to have a significant effect on websites like only fans

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Speaker 3: because it's personalized, right, and that's what people are all about.

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Speaker 3: With OnlyFans, you know, you can get that personalized message

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Speaker 2: And spectacularly realistic videos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And they can make it so cheap because it's.

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Speaker 2: Not real right, right, there's nobody to pay, but the

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Speaker 1: Could could culturally it become like smoking and drunk driving,

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the will isn't there, but the will for

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Speaker 2: like drunk driving, wasn't there. People are amazed when I

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Speaker 2: But I remember, and I've told this story on the

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Speaker 2: hate that you've given me hope, because it's more relaxing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I don't get things that I

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Speaker 2: Although it's clearly an effing computer, all right.

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Speaker 1: Right, but they know that and they say I love you,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is astounding. I'm not sure I

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Speaker 1: Right, maybe even to normal people who think they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be into it now until the first time. This worries me.

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Speaker 1: What if the first time you try something like that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know what. A friend of mine sent me a text.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read her text to end this because

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Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: About his friend is a computer this versus the real thing.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say anything. The lure of someone in

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Speaker 1: Lack of conflict, the availability at any moment, the crafting

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Speaker 1: is a non issue. Zero responsibilities to anything beyond your

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Speaker 2: That is well written.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to give on anything, no risk,

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Speaker 1: never gonna get rejected. They're not going to all of

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Speaker 2: Man, Well just yeah, I mean obviously that's bad. But

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Speaker 2: you know I love you with all my heart. But

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Speaker 2: my god, you annoy me sometimes just that would never happen.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, no.

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Speaker 2: Planet of the Beavers back again.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's it for humanity. Oh, devastated