Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, so excited for this bonus wind down episode
Speaker 1: because we have Steve Gutenberg coming on the show and
Speaker 1: our movie Kid Up by Killer The Heather Robinson Story
Speaker 1: premiered on Lifetime Now you can stream it wherever you
Speaker 1: stream on I believe Prime, so check that out. But
Speaker 1: he is lovely and I cannot wait to dive in
Speaker 1: and chat all things with mister Gutenberg. And we've got
Speaker 1: mister Allen Russell, my husband, joining us for this one
Speaker 1: because he's also a Steve Guttenberg fan, so let's get
Speaker 1: him on.
Speaker 2: Hi friend, Hi, ma, You guys look good and.
Speaker 1: So do you. Are you in New York right now
Speaker 1: doing press for the movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's been going great.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been doing some stuff and getting We're
Speaker 2: getting great reactions and people are people are loving you,
Speaker 2: by the way, there's so many you have, so many fans,
Speaker 2: so many people who love your work, love your music,
Speaker 2: and it's really cool to hear that, you know, and uh,
Speaker 2: and I'm proud that we're working together and it's it's
Speaker 2: a really good thing. And people love the trailer and
Speaker 2: they love the one sheep and it's going great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going really good.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: I thought was excellent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the trailer's good.
Speaker 4: Traila was really good.
Speaker 3: Wasn't it really good? It was? Yeah? How were you two?
Speaker 3: And how's the family? How the kids?
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's good, everyone's really good.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: I went off to do a movie in Kentucky, so
Speaker 1: we just got back from that. He's been, you know,
Speaker 1: grinding and doing his training with clients and so it's
Speaker 1: been a it's been it's been a good a good
Speaker 1: year so far.
Speaker 3: It's been it's been good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, that's the top of the line
Speaker 2: when you can say it's been a good year so far,
Speaker 2: that's a ten out of ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But it's interesting because of how the
Speaker 1: year started, you know, especially for you, because I remember
Speaker 1: turning on the TV and when the fires were happening
Speaker 1: in Californian and the Palisades, and I'm like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: Steve Guttenberg, you know, and it's like, that was not
Speaker 1: a good start to the year for so many people.
Speaker 3: And no, it was very tough.
Speaker 2: And it's going to take a long time for the
Speaker 2: Palisades and for Altadena to come back but it will.
Speaker 3: It will.
Speaker 2: Everyone is resilient and very hopeful, but the reality is
Speaker 2: it was a huge natural disaster. Yeah, and six thousand
Speaker 2: homes were burned in Palisades and more and more structures
Speaker 2: and staying with Altadena. So you have let's say there
Speaker 2: were four people in each home, you have twenty five
Speaker 2: thousand people in each town being displaced.
Speaker 3: It's rough.
Speaker 2: It is very rough. And there, you know, when you
Speaker 2: have six homes, it wasn't like a forest's burning. You
Speaker 2: have concrete burning, literally, you have metal burning, you have plastics,
Speaker 2: you have Tesla batteries burning. There's a ton of toxins
Speaker 2: in the air and in the ground. So there's lots
Speaker 2: to do, you know, environmentally, there's lots to do. And psychologically, yeah, well.
Speaker 1: I remember when you were in West Virginia you had
Speaker 1: a cough and you're like, this is from the fire.
Speaker 1: And that was in March, and so I'm curious has
Speaker 1: that gotten any better? And because I don't think people
Speaker 1: realize that, I mean, you were literally, you know, ground
Speaker 1: zero in there, and then all the smoke and inhalation
Speaker 1: that you had from that, I mean you were cough
Speaker 1: and a bunch from it. In March.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have the cough for one hundred days. Wow, one
Speaker 2: hundred days since the fire, and it's gone. I don't
Speaker 2: have it anymore, thank God.
Speaker 4: It's that lead that leads me to a quick just
Speaker 4: a quick comment. And so so I look through when
Speaker 4: I met you a couple of months ago, and you know,
Speaker 4: you know how much a fan I am of yours, and.
Speaker 1: I was so excited and so was I when movies I.
Speaker 3: Let you do, didn't I When you met me, you.
Speaker 4: Did not Your aura and energy is exactly what I
Speaker 4: thought it would be, so it was it wasn't a surprise.
Speaker 4: But anyway, So what my point is when I look
Speaker 4: at your Instagram, I love all the kind of motivational
Speaker 4: and inspirational stuff that you're doing right now because you're
Speaker 4: you're sharing stories and experiences from your from your life
Speaker 4: and you're kind of opening yourself up and putting yourself
Speaker 4: in a position where you're sharing your feelings on Instagram.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say, like, I listened to them
Speaker 4: and I love.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much. They started out with my dad was
Speaker 3: a few years ago and he was in the hospital.
Speaker 2: So during the day, you know, my sister and I
Speaker 2: would have to take a break, you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: we'd swimch off and walk outside, get a cup of
Speaker 2: coffee and sit outside.
Speaker 3: And there are always people during the day to talk to.
Speaker 3: But we would sleep there in the mid and in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: If you you can't sleep, you go outside and there's
Speaker 2: nobody there to talk to. So a friend of mine said,
Speaker 2: you know, talk to the internet. There are other people
Speaker 2: who will talk back, and they did.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I would get on there and say, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm taking care of my dad and whatever I would
Speaker 2: talk about, and they would say, Wow, I'm taking care
Speaker 2: of my mom, I'm taking care of my son.
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm working late at the office.
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm a janitor, I'm a I'm a
Speaker 2: truck driver.
Speaker 3: And this is what I do in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night.
Speaker 2: So it was a way of communicating and then it
Speaker 2: sort of got into I would record these little musings
Speaker 2: about life.
Speaker 3: But what I really believe in my mom.
Speaker 2: We used to tell me was that a mother in
Speaker 2: Nashville is the same as a mother in Jordan, and
Speaker 2: a mother in la is the same as a mother
Speaker 2: in Moscow, and mechanics and teachers and all of us,
Speaker 2: all of us human beings are the same and we
Speaker 2: have the same thoughts no matter where you live, we're
Speaker 2: human beings.
Speaker 3: And we have.
Speaker 2: These these normal thoughts about the practice of living. So
Speaker 2: I just started talking and it's sort of morphed into
Speaker 2: that and it's just as much for me as it
Speaker 2: is for everybody else to sort of say what I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about and see if anybody else is thinking. It's
Speaker 2: sort of like when I would talk. I have a
Speaker 2: lot of buddies, you know, women friends, men friends, but
Speaker 2: sometimes with men friends, you know, it's like you kind
Speaker 2: of you know, you'll say, hey, do you different, has
Speaker 2: this ever happened to you? Or you ever think about this?
Speaker 2: And you know you share things. And same with my
Speaker 2: woman friends. You know, I'll say, do you ever think
Speaker 2: about this? This is on my mind today? And a
Speaker 2: friend of mine will said, yeah, I think about that
Speaker 2: all the time. And I'm like, wow, I'm not alone.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's what it really comes down to.
Speaker 2: What I think about my musings is like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not alone.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think there's such you know, benefits,
Speaker 1: you know, again, because you're same thing, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we I've openly shared things on Instagram, and it's it's
Speaker 1: helping people. And the other side of that is it
Speaker 1: does open the door for people's opinions and not so
Speaker 1: nice comments and and so I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: experienced that piece of it through sharing, but I still
Speaker 1: think that regardless, it's that's what I'm like because the
Speaker 1: positive always outweighs the one negative comment. But sometimes the
Speaker 1: negative comment is the one that stands out the most.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I can put on a new outfit
Speaker 2: which I think is really cool, great jacket, pants and everything,
Speaker 2: and I have ninety nine people say how great it is.
Speaker 2: And there's a homeless guy sitting on the just drank
Speaker 2: a bottle of vodka, and I walked by him. He goes,
Speaker 2: that outfit looks terrible, and I'll think, to myself, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about. I'll say to him, we're talking
Speaker 2: about I just bought this. It's a great new shirt
Speaker 2: and pants and a great jacket. He goes, doesn't really match.
Speaker 2: And you want to know something, He's someone I think
Speaker 2: about all day. You know, I'll say, you know, this
Speaker 2: guy told me that it doesn't look good. He'll go, God,
Speaker 2: buddy of am I going, what guy? I go guy
Speaker 2: on the street kind of street homeless guy who just
Speaker 2: drank a bottle.
Speaker 3: Of vodka, And that's the guy you're listening to. But
Speaker 3: we as humans, we do that.
Speaker 2: You know, we're attracted to drama, We're attracted to the
Speaker 2: dark side. So I do find that eighty percent of
Speaker 2: the comments are good comments and then twenty percent are
Speaker 2: you know, deranged or or you know, not constructive and
Speaker 2: and a little mean.
Speaker 3: But that's actually how life is.
Speaker 2: Life is supposed to be eighty percent great and twenty
Speaker 2: percent hard. I think that's the way God made it,
Speaker 2: so it sort of works out in everything. And I
Speaker 2: think in the morning, you know, you got to wake
Speaker 2: up and say, I choose happy, and I know that
Speaker 2: you know, there's going to be twenty percent not so great.
Speaker 2: But it's not supposed to be eighty twenty, like eighty
Speaker 2: percent horrible comments and twenty percent great. You know, it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be eighty twenty.
Speaker 1: And I like the eighty twenty. That's that's a nice rule.
Speaker 1: Are you happy that social media wasn't around when you
Speaker 1: were back in the day doing you know, the two
Speaker 1: men and the baby's and that it takes too, like
Speaker 1: are you are you happy that you lived in I
Speaker 1: think you're the success and the rise of your career
Speaker 1: wasn't in social media times.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad there were no no, no techie phones
Speaker 2: when I was a kid that I would, you know,
Speaker 2: go out in the street and play stickball and kickball
Speaker 2: and baseball and football and ring a libo and you know,
Speaker 2: and live a normal life without these phones. I think
Speaker 2: these phones and social media is terrific because you can
Speaker 2: you can educate and entertain with them, but they have
Speaker 2: changed the timber of the psychology of the planet, and
Speaker 2: sometimes not so good, you know. You know, it's sometimes
Speaker 2: it's much better to get on the phone and talk
Speaker 2: rather than tech. And the texting is so easy that
Speaker 2: we lose that ability to converse, you know, and we
Speaker 2: need that. Like if I was texting you right now,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say and you know, or you wouldn't say,
Speaker 2: oh yeah yeah. And I think it's social media eighty
Speaker 2: percent of it is great, twenty percent of it is not.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of selling going on and promoting,
Speaker 2: and it's also fake.
Speaker 3: You know. I'll look at someone social media and.
Speaker 2: I'll see everybody in like, all dressed in white and
Speaker 2: their house is white in the Hamptons and it's a mansion,
Speaker 2: and the kids are running and the husband saying about
Speaker 2: the message is such stank, so blessed. And I look
Speaker 2: at them and I'm like, you, man, I'm not blessed
Speaker 2: like that. You you know how happy you bastards are,
Speaker 2: you know? And then I'll realize, wait a minute, dude,
Speaker 2: that's fate. It's not real. That's just not real. And
Speaker 2: you and you know, so I think that it can
Speaker 2: you know, I mean we I mean, there's so many
Speaker 2: studies on that that you know, it can make you feel.
Speaker 2: You start going, you start scrolling and seeing everybody so
Speaker 2: happy and laughing.
Speaker 3: Well, that's just like one, you know, one part of
Speaker 3: their lives, you know. But you have to be so compared.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine always says, compare and despair.
Speaker 4: You know, Steve, is this the first time that you
Speaker 4: have played the role of a murderer?
Speaker 3: A murderer?
Speaker 1: I love your Scottish accent when you do.
Speaker 2: By the way, you have the greatest voice. You got
Speaker 2: to do, you gotta do something you do. You have
Speaker 2: the most beautiful voice.
Speaker 3: Let me think here, No, I did play a murderer
Speaker 3: in a very small horror movie out of Brussels. I
Speaker 3: shot in Brussels and it was a job. You know,
Speaker 3: I went there to work and it never went anywhere.
Speaker 3: And I've been a villain.
Speaker 2: I've been a pedophile in Veronica Mars pretty good.
Speaker 3: You know. She was a mean Las Vegas hotel owner
Speaker 3: in Ballers.
Speaker 4: I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, putting Dwayne you know Dwayne Down and I.
Speaker 3: Did when I when I.
Speaker 2: Was eighteen or seventeen, I did a show called Family,
Speaker 2: which was many years ago, and I played a very
Speaker 2: bad kid.
Speaker 3: So I and on stage, I've played villains.
Speaker 2: But you know, as an actor, I think you only
Speaker 2: get to play a serial killer basically once in your life.
Speaker 2: And and and this was a great opportunity. I'm so
Speaker 2: grateful to Lifetime for you know, for choosing me and
Speaker 2: offering me the part. Because you know, as actors, we
Speaker 2: like to work first of all, and then when you
Speaker 2: get it, you know, you're given a certain amount of equipment.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at Robert de Niro and he
Speaker 2: looks like an Italian mafia boss.
Speaker 3: So what does he get? A lot of.
Speaker 2: Mafia boss guys and a lot of you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of mafia soldiers that's a big part of his career,
Speaker 2: or tough guys. But every once in a while you
Speaker 2: see him do meet the fockers or the intern where
Speaker 2: he's this, you know, a father or a sweet older
Speaker 2: man trying to help a you know, a young lady
Speaker 2: find her way. So we're actors and we love to
Speaker 2: bring out our toolbox.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I always say, like, if you're an architect and all
Speaker 2: you do our barns and people go, oh, I want
Speaker 2: you to build an apartment building, but I know you can't.
Speaker 3: You go, no, I can. I just have made my
Speaker 3: living building barns.
Speaker 2: But man, I can building you an apartment house and
Speaker 2: knock your socks off, so you know, and then long
Speaker 2: wood away.
Speaker 3: I'm really grateful for this part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you were so in on being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I want the mustache, I want a mustache, I want this.
Speaker 1: I want to be able to have, you know, like
Speaker 1: you were. You know, I was hearing those discussions when
Speaker 1: when they were doing my putting my bangs on. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Steve is like really invested in wanting to
Speaker 1: change his look. And I think that was really cool
Speaker 1: because you were truly invested in creating a character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much of what we do is physical. You know.
Speaker 2: I tried to create a walk and a posture and
Speaker 2: cadence of talking and the look, you know, shave my
Speaker 2: hairline back and put the mustache in the glasses and
Speaker 2: even make my skin have eggzema, you know, those like
Speaker 2: little red dots on it, and it really changes not
Speaker 2: only your look, but how you feel when you're acting.
Speaker 2: That equipment. I remember years ago I worked when I started,
Speaker 2: I was eighteen, and I worked with Larry Olivier who said,
Speaker 2: use a fake nose as much as you can fake
Speaker 2: teeth wigs.
Speaker 3: You know, you'll love it, and the audience will love it.
Speaker 3: They'll see something different. We love to see people popping
Speaker 3: up different holes. You know, when you see a friend
Speaker 3: all the time is in sweats and T shirts and
Speaker 3: you know, never does her and all of.
Speaker 2: A sudden you go to the wedding, you know, a
Speaker 2: wedding or an event, and she's all dolled up. You're
Speaker 2: like wow, you know, you get a real kick out
Speaker 2: of that. So same with actors. And Olivier was a
Speaker 2: huge proponent of fakery.
Speaker 3: And you know, and and when I was very young.
Speaker 2: I took it to heart, saying, she can you know,
Speaker 2: unless you know, you're doing a picture or a movie
Speaker 2: or a play where they go, we just want you
Speaker 2: to look like you. And that happens a lot when
Speaker 2: you know, producers kind of want to emulate the successes
Speaker 2: you've had. We no, no, no, we don't want that
Speaker 2: fake nose. We want you, you know. And and that's
Speaker 2: a different ballgame. But I was so grateful to the
Speaker 2: producers and our director, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: Marty was great and the Tanell brothers just great to
Speaker 2: let me do my thing, you know. And did you
Speaker 2: feel that way when you were working that they gave
Speaker 2: you a lot of rooms?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I love them. That was the second
Speaker 1: time that I got to work with them, and they
Speaker 1: were great. And it was funny cause Stacy or their
Speaker 1: you know, the makeup girl, she was like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not going to be able to do your typical
Speaker 1: beach curls. I'm like, no, I don't want that, Like
Speaker 1: I'm excited to, like, yes, change it up. This is
Speaker 1: where this is going through eras of or different decades
Speaker 1: from the eighties to you know, the two thousands and
Speaker 1: so like yes, change it up. Let's do it like
Speaker 1: that is excited for that piece of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's our job to to bring all our
Speaker 2: tools out and figure out, Okay, how do I I'm
Speaker 2: going to decorate this house?
Speaker 3: How do we decorate this house?
Speaker 2: You know, we usually do ten paintings those kids with
Speaker 2: the big eyes, but I don't want to do that
Speaker 2: on this one.
Speaker 3: Let will you allow me to do something new? You know,
Speaker 3: and and it's terrific.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure that you know, as you said,
Speaker 2: you know, we as actors, we we.
Speaker 3: All enjoy it.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that every actor, no matter where you are,
Speaker 2: you know, you get a chance to play you know,
Speaker 2: mercutio or something. You know you want a different look
Speaker 2: or you know you want to play you know, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, you know make in the Scottish play you know,
Speaker 2: you want a different look. You know.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's cool. It's really fun to play. To dress up.
Speaker 3: That's what we do, right, we dressed up.
Speaker 1: So we were having a Steve Guttenberg weekend in the
Speaker 1: house the other the other weekend because I've been introducing
Speaker 1: the kids to movies that I watched when I was
Speaker 1: around my daughter's age, and so one of my favorites
Speaker 1: was It Takes two. So we were watching like parent
Speaker 1: Trap and then I was like, guys, here's like this
Speaker 1: is the one that I'm like stee like, I just
Speaker 1: like love that movie so much, and you know, you
Speaker 1: and Christiality's you know, chemistry was so great in that
Speaker 1: and I just like I And of course I fan
Speaker 1: grolled when I met you, like, you know, A Three
Speaker 1: Minute Baby and a Little Lady were like my favorite movies.
Speaker 2: You didn't give me usually yet I get paid like
Speaker 2: the fan fan stuff.
Speaker 3: It was like twelve dollars and I never got it.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, okay, I was like twelve dollars.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm a really big fan and I'm
Speaker 1: just going to get that out by the way. And
Speaker 1: I love a love your movies. And then of course,
Speaker 1: you know, he was a big on Police Academy. But
Speaker 1: is there a movie you look back and go like
Speaker 1: that that was special or that that connection was special
Speaker 1: doing that movie.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have a favorite. You know, I
Speaker 3: love them all.
Speaker 2: I love the experience of working, of meeting people, of
Speaker 2: becoming intimate with them in conversations. You know, you become
Speaker 2: you know, it's a really it's a really great part
Speaker 2: of our job that we of all we're pretty sent
Speaker 2: All actors are sensitive and that like if you know
Speaker 2: your two plumbers that you get to a building and
Speaker 2: you got to fix a leak, you.
Speaker 3: Know, how you doing? How you doing? You know, you
Speaker 3: just get to work. But what we do is we
Speaker 3: start to find out, you know, oh, what's your husband like,
Speaker 3: you know, and where do you live?
Speaker 2: And you know, where do you come from and what
Speaker 2: do you do? And this is what I do and
Speaker 2: this is where I come from, and you exchange intimacies
Speaker 2: that make you closer and then able to work. So
Speaker 2: I've found out on every job I've ever had that
Speaker 2: there's something very similar to all of us that we
Speaker 2: like to share and be close and open ourselves up
Speaker 2: because I think we all look different, whether it's Duane
Speaker 2: Johnson or you know, or you know, you know, or
Speaker 2: George Clooney or no matter who you are, we all
Speaker 2: were that weird kid, you know, that sort of was
Speaker 2: different and tried to fit in and all that, and
Speaker 2: then we found as an adult or maybe as a kid,
Speaker 2: we found other actors and we say.
Speaker 3: Wow, you're like me too.
Speaker 2: Wow, you you know you like musical You know you
Speaker 2: like musicals, So do I, you know, and and so
Speaker 2: I enjoyed.
Speaker 3: I've always enjoyed every job. Had one job.
Speaker 2: In Spain where the director was lusting after my girlfriend,
Speaker 2: so I thought he was weird. And that was the
Speaker 2: only job where I'm like, this guy's really weird.
Speaker 3: But you know, it was one of those, you know.
Speaker 4: So I've watched a lot of like true crime stuff
Speaker 4: and serial killer stuff that sounds weird and it sounds
Speaker 4: a bit dark. But how much I'm always interested, right
Speaker 4: like you are obviously top of your profession. How much
Speaker 4: work and research, Steve, did you put into the real
Speaker 4: John Edward Robinson. What were some of the things that
Speaker 4: you did so that you could maximize your craft?
Speaker 3: Thank you nice for asking.
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time looking over newspaper articles,
Speaker 2: magazine articles, from television and video on him and on
Speaker 2: people discussing him, on Heather, on his wife is some
Speaker 2: of his kids, and and after about an hour and
Speaker 2: then then about his actions, and then after about an
Speaker 2: hour and a half of studying, I had to take
Speaker 2: a break.
Speaker 3: It was so painous. His life was so disgusting.
Speaker 2: Beyond disgusting, so low that I sort of had to
Speaker 2: clean out after about an hour and a half and
Speaker 2: watch some Seinfeld and just just you know, go back
Speaker 2: to the real world. I don't think it's good for
Speaker 2: anybody to spend too much time.
Speaker 3: With undesirables. Although you know, my dad was a cop, and.
Speaker 2: You know that's what they do all and it creates
Speaker 2: a certain type of person. It really affects you. I'm very,
Speaker 2: very cognizant to not let it affect my outside life
Speaker 2: because I don't think it's fair for my family and
Speaker 2: friends to deal with me saying, oh, I can't talk
Speaker 2: to you now because I doing my research. I'm a
Speaker 2: serial killer and I'm all screwed up, so I try
Speaker 2: to just clean it off at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: But the research was rough.
Speaker 1: Did you ever talk to Heather.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't speak to anybody nobody at all, and
Speaker 2: I kind of didn't want to.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know. I just didn't think it
Speaker 3: was something I needed to do. Yeah, you know, did
Speaker 3: you speak to anybody?
Speaker 1: I didn't know, but I did on my previous one
Speaker 1: was a true story, and you know, I remember talking
Speaker 1: to Marty because she directed that one. Too, where it
Speaker 1: was like, okay, she said she wasn't emotional in the scene,
Speaker 1: and she was. She's like, but you also got to
Speaker 1: play it how you would how you think it should
Speaker 1: be played too. So it's like meeting it kind of
Speaker 1: in the middle. And so sometimes where I want to
Speaker 1: honor their story, it's also you're telling a story too,
Speaker 1: you know, and what would be coming up for you.
Speaker 1: So I could see the poll of not wanting to
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of wanted to make a painting of
Speaker 2: the experience rather than a photograph. And that's why I
Speaker 2: didn't want to look just like John. I wanted to
Speaker 2: create my own look of somebody who's so disturbed. What
Speaker 2: would that look like? And I kind of felt the
Speaker 2: same thing about my relationship with Heather and relationship with
Speaker 2: you and the relationship with my wife in that I
Speaker 2: wanted to create a painting of it. I wanted to
Speaker 2: put it through a few prisms, not just a straight photograph.
Speaker 1: I'm reading this thing right now, where it's basically A
Speaker 1: jury found the man guilty on three counts of capital
Speaker 1: murder in two thousand and two, and he was sentenced
Speaker 1: to death. He later admitted to five additional murders in
Speaker 1: Missouri as part of a plea agreement, and received five
Speaker 1: life sentences his prison in prison. But I just saw
Speaker 1: a thing like kind of where is John Edward Robinson today?
Speaker 1: And it says he remains in prison, has and has
Speaker 1: appealed to his sentence numerous times. And I'm like, how
Speaker 1: does he appeal when he's when a he's I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a murderer, He's pled guilty to these you know,
Speaker 1: numerous women, Like, what do you mean you're appealing your sentence?
Speaker 1: I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I did some research on that too.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any like can you help me
Speaker 1: understand that piece? Or like, is he just trying not
Speaker 1: to be sentenced to death?
Speaker 2: Or in our country, the way the legal system works
Speaker 2: is you could sue your couch if you think that
Speaker 2: the couch is hurting your back, and do you the
Speaker 2: reason that your postures and correct just because of your couch.
Speaker 3: You could sue the company that made that couch. You're
Speaker 3: allowed now, whether the court takes it and decides it's
Speaker 3: all right, that's one thing. But you're allowed to sue anybody.
Speaker 3: For you sue the guy who sells pretzels, on the
Speaker 3: corner because you don't like the look of his pretzels
Speaker 3: reminded you of a terrible experience, and you can sue him.
Speaker 2: You know, if your coffee is not is too hot,
Speaker 2: spills on your lap, you can sue the company for
Speaker 2: too hot coffee.
Speaker 1: That McDonald's lawsuit, Yeah right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So with with appeals, you can appeal anything.
Speaker 3: Now, whether the court takes it seriously or not. That's
Speaker 3: another thing wild.
Speaker 1: I mean, he killed eight women in Kansas, right.
Speaker 3: And he's allowed to be that's the law. You're allowed
Speaker 3: to appeal.
Speaker 2: That's because that's for the innocent man who actually they
Speaker 2: say killed all those women and he didn't, and he's
Speaker 2: in jail and he's allowed to appeal, and that appeal
Speaker 2: proves that somebody else did it and then he and
Speaker 2: then he can go free. And that's really what it's for.
Speaker 2: It's for the innocent, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the So when I was reading up a
Speaker 4: little bit about it's the scheming side of it also,
Speaker 4: I mean those those are the actual mothers of the women,
Speaker 4: which is disgusting. But there's the scheming side of it,
Speaker 4: where he was his own brother that he took money
Speaker 4: from yeah, yeah, and say that was the money for
Speaker 4: the baby when obviously we knew, we know where the
Speaker 4: baby came from. But to do things to that extent
Speaker 4: to your family members as well as strangers of people
Speaker 4: that are in your.
Speaker 1: Cuckles, it's just like and then for that brother too,
Speaker 1: for his head to spend like what like not knowing
Speaker 1: you know, that's just that's tough, and that's got to
Speaker 1: be it's got to be hard for you to then
Speaker 1: play that kind of character and then separate because you
Speaker 1: were such a good man and he was such a
Speaker 1: bad man. And then like, obviously it's your craft and
Speaker 1: you're but it's also it's I gotta imagine that's tough too,
Speaker 1: Like you're not playing a great human.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The research and the thinking about it was tough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But the playing it, you know, the acting it in it,
Speaker 2: you know the scenes we did, the scenes I did
Speaker 2: with Rachel.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I loved it. I had a great time.
Speaker 3: It was so cool to play not that to play
Speaker 3: you know, this true life character, but to act and
Speaker 3: to use my.
Speaker 2: Skills and to see what I can do different and
Speaker 2: how do I become believable And at the end of
Speaker 2: the day. It's always been easy for me to hang
Speaker 2: it up and it's gone. And there were moments when
Speaker 2: I really thought about him and what he did, and
Speaker 2: I felt the scene where I murder head. There's mother
Speaker 2: in the in the in the motel that was terrible,
Speaker 2: you know, now that you bring it up, you're right,
Speaker 2: that really bothered me a great deal. We were, you know,
Speaker 2: there was a small crew in the motel room. I
Speaker 2: haven't thought about this, you know. I'm glad you both
Speaker 2: burned up. Thanks Ellenen, Thanks Janathan. But the baby was
Speaker 2: on the bed, and I've seen lots of babies on
Speaker 2: the bed, so it reminded me of you know, how
Speaker 2: sweet it is to have a baby on the bed
Speaker 2: because it's safe. You know, the baby can't really roll off,
Speaker 2: you know, because if you're right there and there's the mother,
Speaker 2: the sweet mother, and I seduced her, you know, with
Speaker 2: my language or whatever, and then murder her with a
Speaker 2: hammer in front of the baby. And that was a
Speaker 2: very very difficult moment. Uh, you know, a difficult shoot time,
Speaker 2: whether you know, I don't know. It was a half
Speaker 2: a day. And then at the outside near the car. Uh,
Speaker 2: she gives me the baby to hold or something. You know,
Speaker 2: this is the devil and he's holding this little baby.
Speaker 3: Ah. That was terrible. That was terrible.
Speaker 4: M h I can't wait to see the movie.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You like it was you know, Marty did a great
Speaker 2: job on in the Tinnels, you know, and all of
Speaker 2: us actors. But it was a good movie, you know,
Speaker 2: and it directed really well. The music is excellent. I
Speaker 2: thought the production value was high and being every all
Speaker 2: the actors were seamless.
Speaker 3: You know, you never saw anything other than realism. It
Speaker 3: was good. It was a good little movie. And I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna make some noise, I really do. Well.
Speaker 1: Everyone watched Kidnapped by a Killer The Heather Robinson Story.
Speaker 1: It has aired on Lifetime, but you can stream it now.
Speaker 1: Not by a Killer, The Heather Robinson Story. Steve, you
Speaker 1: were a pleasure. It was a joy to work with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're a force. So thank you for
Speaker 1: I was. I was honored to be in a scene
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: So I was too.
Speaker 2: You're a really great actor, and you're such a great couple.
Speaker 2: You know, you're you have such love for each other.
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful to see because that's what the world
Speaker 2: is about you know, and you have a great family,
Speaker 2: and you know, you move to Nashville and you're making
Speaker 2: a great life and you're you're both are working and contributing.
Speaker 3: So and I can't wait to come down there at
Speaker 3: Nashville and see you guys.
Speaker 1: And the invitation is there, and we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe well we'll find you a nice little Southern girl
Speaker 1: for you. Steve.
Speaker 3: Hey, you.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I remember our talk. I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to match make don't you worry. I'm not. I
Speaker 1: have you right here in my brain vibe. I might
Speaker 1: have mentioned you to a girlfriend the other day. So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, I've got you. I've got
Speaker 1: you in mind, one of the best, so you deserve
Speaker 1: the best. Is as all I'm want to say.
Speaker 3: Thanks. I love you guys. Thanks for thank you for that.
Speaker 4: So nice to see you.
Speaker 3: Great to see you both. All right, Chad, soon talk
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: By loving so much amazing, all right, everybody will watch
Speaker 1: Kidnap by Killer. The Heather Robinson story disturbing, but so
Speaker 1: proud of Heather for letting us share her story and
Speaker 1: giving her a voice in the tragedy that was her mom,
Speaker 1: and and all those women so stream watch and support
Speaker 1: Heather