1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: All right, so excited for this bonus wind down episode 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: because we have Steve Gutenberg coming on the show and 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: our movie Kid Up by Killer The Heather Robinson Story 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: premiered on Lifetime Now you can stream it wherever you 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: stream on I believe Prime, so check that out. But 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: he is lovely and I cannot wait to dive in 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: and chat all things with mister Gutenberg. And we've got 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: mister Allen Russell, my husband, joining us for this one 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: because he's also a Steve Guttenberg fan, so let's get 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: him on. 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: Hi friend, Hi, ma, You guys look good and. 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: So do you. Are you in New York right now 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: doing press for the movie? 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's been going great. 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been doing some stuff and getting We're 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: getting great reactions and people are people are loving you, 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: by the way, there's so many you have, so many fans, 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: so many people who love your work, love your music, 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: and it's really cool to hear that, you know, and uh, 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: and I'm proud that we're working together and it's it's 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: a really good thing. And people love the trailer and 23 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: they love the one sheep and it's going great. 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going really good. 25 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: I love that. 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: I thought was excellent. 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, the trailer's good. 28 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 4: Traila was really good. 29 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: Wasn't it really good? It was? Yeah? How were you two? 30 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: And how's the family? How the kids? 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's good, everyone's really good. 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 3: Good. 33 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: I went off to do a movie in Kentucky, so 34 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: we just got back from that. He's been, you know, 35 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: grinding and doing his training with clients and so it's 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: been a it's been it's been a good a good 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: year so far. 38 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: It's been it's been good. 39 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, that's the top of the line 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: when you can say it's been a good year so far, 41 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: that's a ten out of ten. 42 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But it's interesting because of how the 43 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: year started, you know, especially for you, because I remember 44 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: turning on the TV and when the fires were happening 45 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: in Californian and the Palisades, and I'm like, oh, there's 46 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: Steve Guttenberg, you know, and it's like, that was not 47 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: a good start to the year for so many people. 48 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: And no, it was very tough. 49 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: And it's going to take a long time for the 50 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: Palisades and for Altadena to come back but it will. 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: It will. 52 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: Everyone is resilient and very hopeful, but the reality is 53 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: it was a huge natural disaster. Yeah, and six thousand 54 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: homes were burned in Palisades and more and more structures 55 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: and staying with Altadena. So you have let's say there 56 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: were four people in each home, you have twenty five 57 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: thousand people in each town being displaced. 58 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: It's rough. 59 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: It is very rough. And there, you know, when you 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: have six homes, it wasn't like a forest's burning. You 61 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: have concrete burning, literally, you have metal burning, you have plastics, 62 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: you have Tesla batteries burning. There's a ton of toxins 63 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: in the air and in the ground. So there's lots 64 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: to do, you know, environmentally, there's lots to do. And psychologically, yeah, well. 65 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: I remember when you were in West Virginia you had 66 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: a cough and you're like, this is from the fire. 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: And that was in March, and so I'm curious has 68 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: that gotten any better? And because I don't think people 69 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: realize that, I mean, you were literally, you know, ground 70 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: zero in there, and then all the smoke and inhalation 71 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: that you had from that, I mean you were cough 72 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: and a bunch from it. In March. 73 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, have the cough for one hundred days. Wow, one 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: hundred days since the fire, and it's gone. I don't 75 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: have it anymore, thank God. 76 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 4: It's that lead that leads me to a quick just 77 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: a quick comment. And so so I look through when 78 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: I met you a couple of months ago, and you know, 79 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: you know how much a fan I am of yours, and. 80 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: I was so excited and so was I when movies I. 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: Let you do, didn't I When you met me, you. 82 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 4: Did not Your aura and energy is exactly what I 83 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: thought it would be, so it was it wasn't a surprise. 84 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 4: But anyway, So what my point is when I look 85 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 4: at your Instagram, I love all the kind of motivational 86 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 4: and inspirational stuff that you're doing right now because you're 87 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: you're sharing stories and experiences from your from your life 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 4: and you're kind of opening yourself up and putting yourself 89 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: in a position where you're sharing your feelings on Instagram. 90 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 4: I just wanted to say, like, I listened to them 91 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 4: and I love. 92 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. They started out with my dad was 93 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: a few years ago and he was in the hospital. 94 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: So during the day, you know, my sister and I 95 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: would have to take a break, you know, uh, you know, 96 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: we'd swimch off and walk outside, get a cup of 97 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: coffee and sit outside. 98 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: And there are always people during the day to talk to. 99 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 3: But we would sleep there in the mid and in 100 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: the middle of the night. 101 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: If you you can't sleep, you go outside and there's 102 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: nobody there to talk to. So a friend of mine said, 103 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: you know, talk to the internet. There are other people 104 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: who will talk back, and they did. 105 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: You know. 106 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: I would get on there and say, hey, you know, 107 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: I'm taking care of my dad and whatever I would 108 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: talk about, and they would say, Wow, I'm taking care 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: of my mom, I'm taking care of my son. 110 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm working late at the office. 111 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm a janitor, I'm a I'm a 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: truck driver. 113 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: And this is what I do in the middle of 114 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: the night. 115 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: So it was a way of communicating and then it 116 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: sort of got into I would record these little musings 117 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: about life. 118 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: But what I really believe in my mom. 119 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: We used to tell me was that a mother in 120 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: Nashville is the same as a mother in Jordan, and 121 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: a mother in la is the same as a mother 122 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: in Moscow, and mechanics and teachers and all of us, 123 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: all of us human beings are the same and we 124 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: have the same thoughts no matter where you live, we're 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: human beings. 126 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 3: And we have. 127 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: These these normal thoughts about the practice of living. So 128 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: I just started talking and it's sort of morphed into 129 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: that and it's just as much for me as it 130 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: is for everybody else to sort of say what I'm 131 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: thinking about and see if anybody else is thinking. It's 132 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: sort of like when I would talk. I have a 133 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: lot of buddies, you know, women friends, men friends, but 134 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: sometimes with men friends, you know, it's like you kind 135 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 2: of you know, you'll say, hey, do you different, has 136 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: this ever happened to you? Or you ever think about this? 137 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: And you know you share things. And same with my 138 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: woman friends. You know, I'll say, do you ever think 139 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: about this? This is on my mind today? And a 140 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: friend of mine will said, yeah, I think about that 141 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: all the time. And I'm like, wow, I'm not alone. 142 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: And I guess that's what it really comes down to. 143 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: What I think about my musings is like, you know, 144 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: I'm not alone. 145 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think there's such you know, benefits, 146 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, again, because you're same thing, like, you know, 147 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: we I've openly shared things on Instagram, and it's it's 148 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: helping people. And the other side of that is it 149 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: does open the door for people's opinions and not so 150 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: nice comments and and so I don't know if you've 151 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,119 Speaker 1: experienced that piece of it through sharing, but I still 152 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: think that regardless, it's that's what I'm like because the 153 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: positive always outweighs the one negative comment. But sometimes the 154 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: negative comment is the one that stands out the most. 155 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I can put on a new outfit 156 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: which I think is really cool, great jacket, pants and everything, 157 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: and I have ninety nine people say how great it is. 158 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: And there's a homeless guy sitting on the just drank 159 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: a bottle of vodka, and I walked by him. He goes, 160 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: that outfit looks terrible, and I'll think, to myself, what 161 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: are you talking about. I'll say to him, we're talking 162 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: about I just bought this. It's a great new shirt 163 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: and pants and a great jacket. He goes, doesn't really match. 164 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: And you want to know something, He's someone I think 165 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: about all day. You know, I'll say, you know, this 166 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: guy told me that it doesn't look good. He'll go, God, 167 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: buddy of am I going, what guy? I go guy 168 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: on the street kind of street homeless guy who just 169 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: drank a bottle. 170 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: Of vodka, And that's the guy you're listening to. But 171 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: we as humans, we do that. 172 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: You know, we're attracted to drama, We're attracted to the 173 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: dark side. So I do find that eighty percent of 174 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: the comments are good comments and then twenty percent are 175 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: you know, deranged or or you know, not constructive and 176 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: and a little mean. 177 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: But that's actually how life is. 178 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: Life is supposed to be eighty percent great and twenty 179 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: percent hard. I think that's the way God made it, 180 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: so it sort of works out in everything. And I 181 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: think in the morning, you know, you got to wake 182 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: up and say, I choose happy, and I know that 183 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: you know, there's going to be twenty percent not so great. 184 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: But it's not supposed to be eighty twenty, like eighty 185 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: percent horrible comments and twenty percent great. You know, it's 186 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: supposed to be eighty twenty. 187 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: And I like the eighty twenty. That's that's a nice rule. 188 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: Are you happy that social media wasn't around when you 189 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: were back in the day doing you know, the two 190 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: men and the baby's and that it takes too, like 191 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: are you are you happy that you lived in I 192 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: think you're the success and the rise of your career 193 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: wasn't in social media times. 194 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad there were no no, no techie phones 195 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: when I was a kid that I would, you know, 196 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: go out in the street and play stickball and kickball 197 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: and baseball and football and ring a libo and you know, 198 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: and live a normal life without these phones. I think 199 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: these phones and social media is terrific because you can 200 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: you can educate and entertain with them, but they have 201 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: changed the timber of the psychology of the planet, and 202 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: sometimes not so good, you know. You know, it's sometimes 203 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: it's much better to get on the phone and talk 204 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: rather than tech. And the texting is so easy that 205 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: we lose that ability to converse, you know, and we 206 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: need that. Like if I was texting you right now, 207 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say and you know, or you wouldn't say, 208 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: oh yeah yeah. And I think it's social media eighty 209 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: percent of it is great, twenty percent of it is not. 210 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of selling going on and promoting, 211 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: and it's also fake. 212 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 3: You know. I'll look at someone social media and. 213 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: I'll see everybody in like, all dressed in white and 214 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: their house is white in the Hamptons and it's a mansion, 215 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: and the kids are running and the husband saying about 216 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: the message is such stank, so blessed. And I look 217 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: at them and I'm like, you, man, I'm not blessed 218 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 2: like that. You you know how happy you bastards are, 219 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: you know? And then I'll realize, wait a minute, dude, 220 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: that's fate. It's not real. That's just not real. And 221 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: you and you know, so I think that it can 222 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: you know, I mean we I mean, there's so many 223 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: studies on that that you know, it can make you feel. 224 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: You start going, you start scrolling and seeing everybody so 225 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 2: happy and laughing. 226 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 3: Well, that's just like one, you know, one part of 227 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: their lives, you know. But you have to be so compared. 228 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: A friend of mine always says, compare and despair. 229 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 4: You know, Steve, is this the first time that you 230 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: have played the role of a murderer? 231 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: A murderer? 232 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: I love your Scottish accent when you do. 233 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 2: By the way, you have the greatest voice. You got 234 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: to do, you gotta do something you do. You have 235 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: the most beautiful voice. 236 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: Let me think here, No, I did play a murderer 237 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: in a very small horror movie out of Brussels. I 238 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 3: shot in Brussels and it was a job. You know, 239 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 3: I went there to work and it never went anywhere. 240 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: And I've been a villain. 241 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: I've been a pedophile in Veronica Mars pretty good. 242 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: You know. She was a mean Las Vegas hotel owner 243 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: in Ballers. 244 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 4: I remember that. 245 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, putting Dwayne you know Dwayne Down and I. 246 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 3: Did when I when I. 247 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: Was eighteen or seventeen, I did a show called Family, 248 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: which was many years ago, and I played a very 249 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: bad kid. 250 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: So I and on stage, I've played villains. 251 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 2: But you know, as an actor, I think you only 252 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: get to play a serial killer basically once in your life. 253 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: And and and this was a great opportunity. I'm so 254 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 2: grateful to Lifetime for you know, for choosing me and 255 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: offering me the part. Because you know, as actors, we 256 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: like to work first of all, and then when you 257 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 2: get it, you know, you're given a certain amount of equipment. 258 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: You know, you look at Robert de Niro and he 259 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: looks like an Italian mafia boss. 260 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: So what does he get? A lot of. 261 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: Mafia boss guys and a lot of you know, a 262 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 2: lot of mafia soldiers that's a big part of his career, 263 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: or tough guys. But every once in a while you 264 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: see him do meet the fockers or the intern where 265 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: he's this, you know, a father or a sweet older 266 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: man trying to help a you know, a young lady 267 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: find her way. So we're actors and we love to 268 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: bring out our toolbox. 269 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: You know. 270 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: I always say, like, if you're an architect and all 271 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: you do our barns and people go, oh, I want 272 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: you to build an apartment building, but I know you can't. 273 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: You go, no, I can. I just have made my 274 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: living building barns. 275 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: But man, I can building you an apartment house and 276 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: knock your socks off, so you know, and then long 277 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: wood away. 278 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: I'm really grateful for this part. 279 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you were so in on being like, hey, 280 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: I want the mustache, I want a mustache, I want this. 281 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: I want to be able to have, you know, like 282 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: you were. You know, I was hearing those discussions when 283 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: when they were doing my putting my bangs on. But yeah, 284 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, Steve is like really invested in wanting to 285 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: change his look. And I think that was really cool 286 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: because you were truly invested in creating a character. 287 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, so much of what we do is physical. You know. 288 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 2: I tried to create a walk and a posture and 289 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: cadence of talking and the look, you know, shave my 290 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: hairline back and put the mustache in the glasses and 291 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: even make my skin have eggzema, you know, those like 292 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: little red dots on it, and it really changes not 293 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: only your look, but how you feel when you're acting. 294 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: That equipment. I remember years ago I worked when I started, 295 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: I was eighteen, and I worked with Larry Olivier who said, 296 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: use a fake nose as much as you can fake 297 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: teeth wigs. 298 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: You know, you'll love it, and the audience will love it. 299 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: They'll see something different. We love to see people popping 300 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: up different holes. You know, when you see a friend 301 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: all the time is in sweats and T shirts and 302 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: you know, never does her and all of. 303 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: A sudden you go to the wedding, you know, a 304 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: wedding or an event, and she's all dolled up. You're 305 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: like wow, you know, you get a real kick out 306 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: of that. So same with actors. And Olivier was a 307 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: huge proponent of fakery. 308 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: And you know, and and when I was very young. 309 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: I took it to heart, saying, she can you know, 310 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: unless you know, you're doing a picture or a movie 311 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: or a play where they go, we just want you 312 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 2: to look like you. And that happens a lot when 313 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: you know, producers kind of want to emulate the successes 314 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: you've had. We no, no, no, we don't want that 315 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: fake nose. We want you, you know. And and that's 316 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: a different ballgame. But I was so grateful to the 317 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: producers and our director, you know, yeah, yeah, I mean, 318 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: Marty was great and the Tanell brothers just great to 319 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: let me do my thing, you know. And did you 320 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 2: feel that way when you were working that they gave 321 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: you a lot of rooms? 322 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I love them. That was the second 323 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: time that I got to work with them, and they 324 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: were great. And it was funny cause Stacy or their 325 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: you know, the makeup girl, she was like, hey, you know, 326 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: we're not going to be able to do your typical 327 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: beach curls. I'm like, no, I don't want that, Like 328 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: I'm excited to, like, yes, change it up. This is 329 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: where this is going through eras of or different decades 330 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: from the eighties to you know, the two thousands and 331 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: so like yes, change it up. Let's do it like 332 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: that is excited for that piece of it. 333 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's our job to to bring all our 334 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: tools out and figure out, Okay, how do I I'm 335 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: going to decorate this house? 336 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 3: How do we decorate this house? 337 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: You know, we usually do ten paintings those kids with 338 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: the big eyes, but I don't want to do that 339 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: on this one. 340 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: Let will you allow me to do something new? You know, 341 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: and and it's terrific. 342 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure that you know, as you said, 343 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 2: you know, we as actors, we we. 344 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 3: All enjoy it. 345 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: And I'm sure that every actor, no matter where you are, 346 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: you know, you get a chance to play you know, 347 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: mercutio or something. You know you want a different look 348 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: or you know you want to play you know, you know, uh, 349 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: you know, you know make in the Scottish play you know, 350 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: you want a different look. You know. 351 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 3: Uh, it's cool. It's really fun to play. To dress up. 352 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: That's what we do, right, we dressed up. 353 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: So we were having a Steve Guttenberg weekend in the 354 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: house the other the other weekend because I've been introducing 355 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: the kids to movies that I watched when I was 356 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: around my daughter's age, and so one of my favorites 357 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: was It Takes two. So we were watching like parent 358 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: Trap and then I was like, guys, here's like this 359 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: is the one that I'm like stee like, I just 360 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: like love that movie so much, and you know, you 361 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: and Christiality's you know, chemistry was so great in that 362 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: and I just like I And of course I fan 363 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: grolled when I met you, like, you know, A Three 364 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: Minute Baby and a Little Lady were like my favorite movies. 365 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: You didn't give me usually yet I get paid like 366 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: the fan fan stuff. 367 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: It was like twelve dollars and I never got it. 368 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 3: Just yeah, okay, I was like twelve dollars. 369 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm a really big fan and I'm 370 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: just going to get that out by the way. And 371 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: I love a love your movies. And then of course, 372 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, he was a big on Police Academy. But 373 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: is there a movie you look back and go like 374 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: that that was special or that that connection was special 375 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: doing that movie. 376 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 3: I don't I don't have a favorite. You know, I 377 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: love them all. 378 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: I love the experience of working, of meeting people, of 379 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: becoming intimate with them in conversations. You know, you become 380 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's a really it's a really great part 381 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: of our job that we of all we're pretty sent 382 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: All actors are sensitive and that like if you know 383 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: your two plumbers that you get to a building and 384 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: you got to fix a leak, you. 385 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 3: Know, how you doing? How you doing? You know, you 386 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: just get to work. But what we do is we 387 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 3: start to find out, you know, oh, what's your husband like, 388 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 3: you know, and where do you live? 389 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 2: And you know, where do you come from and what 390 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: do you do? And this is what I do and 391 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: this is where I come from, and you exchange intimacies 392 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: that make you closer and then able to work. So 393 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: I've found out on every job I've ever had that 394 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 2: there's something very similar to all of us that we 395 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 2: like to share and be close and open ourselves up 396 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: because I think we all look different, whether it's Duane 397 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: Johnson or you know, or you know, you know, or 398 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: George Clooney or no matter who you are, we all 399 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: were that weird kid, you know, that sort of was 400 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: different and tried to fit in and all that, and 401 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: then we found as an adult or maybe as a kid, 402 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: we found other actors and we say. 403 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 3: Wow, you're like me too. 404 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: Wow, you you know you like musical You know you 405 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: like musicals, So do I, you know, and and so 406 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 2: I enjoyed. 407 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: I've always enjoyed every job. Had one job. 408 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 2: In Spain where the director was lusting after my girlfriend, 409 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 2: so I thought he was weird. And that was the 410 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: only job where I'm like, this guy's really weird. 411 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 3: But you know, it was one of those, you know. 412 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 4: So I've watched a lot of like true crime stuff 413 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 4: and serial killer stuff that sounds weird and it sounds 414 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 4: a bit dark. But how much I'm always interested, right 415 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 4: like you are obviously top of your profession. How much 416 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 4: work and research, Steve, did you put into the real 417 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 4: John Edward Robinson. What were some of the things that 418 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 4: you did so that you could maximize your craft? 419 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 3: Thank you nice for asking. 420 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time looking over newspaper articles, 421 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: magazine articles, from television and video on him and on 422 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: people discussing him, on Heather, on his wife is some 423 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: of his kids, and and after about an hour and 424 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: then then about his actions, and then after about an 425 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: hour and a half of studying, I had to take 426 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: a break. 427 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 3: It was so painous. His life was so disgusting. 428 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: Beyond disgusting, so low that I sort of had to 429 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: clean out after about an hour and a half and 430 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: watch some Seinfeld and just just you know, go back 431 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 2: to the real world. I don't think it's good for 432 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: anybody to spend too much time. 433 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: With undesirables. Although you know, my dad was a cop, and. 434 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 2: You know that's what they do all and it creates 435 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: a certain type of person. It really affects you. I'm very, 436 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: very cognizant to not let it affect my outside life 437 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: because I don't think it's fair for my family and 438 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: friends to deal with me saying, oh, I can't talk 439 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: to you now because I doing my research. I'm a 440 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: serial killer and I'm all screwed up, so I try 441 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: to just clean it off at the end of the day. 442 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 3: But the research was rough. 443 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: Did you ever talk to Heather. 444 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: No, I didn't speak to anybody nobody at all, and 445 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: I kind of didn't want to. 446 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 3: I just I don't know. I just didn't think it 447 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: was something I needed to do. Yeah, you know, did 448 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: you speak to anybody? 449 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know, but I did on my previous one 450 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: was a true story, and you know, I remember talking 451 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: to Marty because she directed that one. Too, where it 452 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: was like, okay, she said she wasn't emotional in the scene, 453 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: and she was. She's like, but you also got to 454 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: play it how you would how you think it should 455 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: be played too. So it's like meeting it kind of 456 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: in the middle. And so sometimes where I want to 457 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: honor their story, it's also you're telling a story too, 458 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: you know, and what would be coming up for you. 459 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: So I could see the poll of not wanting to 460 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: as well. 461 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of wanted to make a painting of 462 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: the experience rather than a photograph. And that's why I 463 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 2: didn't want to look just like John. I wanted to 464 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 2: create my own look of somebody who's so disturbed. What 465 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: would that look like? And I kind of felt the 466 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: same thing about my relationship with Heather and relationship with 467 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: you and the relationship with my wife in that I 468 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: wanted to create a painting of it. I wanted to 469 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: put it through a few prisms, not just a straight photograph. 470 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm reading this thing right now, where it's basically A 471 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: jury found the man guilty on three counts of capital 472 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: murder in two thousand and two, and he was sentenced 473 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: to death. He later admitted to five additional murders in 474 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: Missouri as part of a plea agreement, and received five 475 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: life sentences his prison in prison. But I just saw 476 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: a thing like kind of where is John Edward Robinson today? 477 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: And it says he remains in prison, has and has 478 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: appealed to his sentence numerous times. And I'm like, how 479 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: does he appeal when he's when a he's I mean, 480 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: he's a murderer, He's pled guilty to these you know, 481 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: numerous women, Like, what do you mean you're appealing your sentence? 482 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: I don't understand. 483 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: I did some research on that too. 484 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: Okay, do you have any like can you help me 485 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: understand that piece? Or like, is he just trying not 486 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: to be sentenced to death? 487 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 2: Or in our country, the way the legal system works 488 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: is you could sue your couch if you think that 489 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: the couch is hurting your back, and do you the 490 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: reason that your postures and correct just because of your couch. 491 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 3: You could sue the company that made that couch. You're 492 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 3: allowed now, whether the court takes it and decides it's 493 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 3: all right, that's one thing. But you're allowed to sue anybody. 494 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: For you sue the guy who sells pretzels, on the 495 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: corner because you don't like the look of his pretzels 496 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: reminded you of a terrible experience, and you can sue him. 497 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: You know, if your coffee is not is too hot, 498 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 2: spills on your lap, you can sue the company for 499 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: too hot coffee. 500 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: That McDonald's lawsuit, Yeah right, yeah, yeah. 501 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 2: So with with appeals, you can appeal anything. 502 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 3: Now, whether the court takes it seriously or not. That's 503 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 3: another thing wild. 504 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he killed eight women in Kansas, right. 505 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 3: And he's allowed to be that's the law. You're allowed 506 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: to appeal. 507 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 2: That's because that's for the innocent man who actually they 508 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 2: say killed all those women and he didn't, and he's 509 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: in jail and he's allowed to appeal, and that appeal 510 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: proves that somebody else did it and then he and 511 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: then he can go free. And that's really what it's for. 512 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: It's for the innocent, you know. 513 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the So when I was reading up a 514 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 4: little bit about it's the scheming side of it also, 515 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 4: I mean those those are the actual mothers of the women, 516 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 4: which is disgusting. But there's the scheming side of it, 517 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 4: where he was his own brother that he took money 518 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 4: from yeah, yeah, and say that was the money for 519 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 4: the baby when obviously we knew, we know where the 520 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 4: baby came from. But to do things to that extent 521 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 4: to your family members as well as strangers of people 522 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 4: that are in your. 523 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: Cuckles, it's just like and then for that brother too, 524 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: for his head to spend like what like not knowing 525 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, that's just that's tough, and that's got to 526 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: be it's got to be hard for you to then 527 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: play that kind of character and then separate because you 528 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: were such a good man and he was such a 529 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: bad man. And then like, obviously it's your craft and 530 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: you're but it's also it's I gotta imagine that's tough too, 531 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: Like you're not playing a great human. 532 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: You know. 533 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 2: The research and the thinking about it was tough. Yeah, 534 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: But the playing it, you know, the acting it in it, 535 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: you know the scenes we did, the scenes I did 536 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: with Rachel. 537 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. I loved it. I had a great time. 538 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: It was so cool to play not that to play 539 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: you know, this true life character, but to act and 540 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 3: to use my. 541 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: Skills and to see what I can do different and 542 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: how do I become believable And at the end of 543 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: the day. It's always been easy for me to hang 544 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: it up and it's gone. And there were moments when 545 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: I really thought about him and what he did, and 546 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: I felt the scene where I murder head. There's mother 547 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 2: in the in the in the motel that was terrible, 548 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: you know, now that you bring it up, you're right, 549 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: that really bothered me a great deal. We were, you know, 550 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: there was a small crew in the motel room. I 551 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: haven't thought about this, you know. I'm glad you both 552 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: burned up. Thanks Ellenen, Thanks Janathan. But the baby was 553 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: on the bed, and I've seen lots of babies on 554 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 2: the bed, so it reminded me of you know, how 555 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: sweet it is to have a baby on the bed 556 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: because it's safe. You know, the baby can't really roll off, 557 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 2: you know, because if you're right there and there's the mother, 558 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: the sweet mother, and I seduced her, you know, with 559 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: my language or whatever, and then murder her with a 560 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: hammer in front of the baby. And that was a 561 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: very very difficult moment. Uh, you know, a difficult shoot time, 562 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 2: whether you know, I don't know. It was a half 563 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: a day. And then at the outside near the car. Uh, 564 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 2: she gives me the baby to hold or something. You know, 565 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: this is the devil and he's holding this little baby. 566 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: Ah. That was terrible. That was terrible. 567 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 4: M h I can't wait to see the movie. 568 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 569 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: You like it was you know, Marty did a great 570 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: job on in the Tinnels, you know, and all of 571 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 2: us actors. But it was a good movie, you know, 572 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: and it directed really well. The music is excellent. I 573 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: thought the production value was high and being every all 574 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: the actors were seamless. 575 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 3: You know, you never saw anything other than realism. It 576 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 3: was good. It was a good little movie. And I 577 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: think it's gonna make some noise, I really do. Well. 578 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: Everyone watched Kidnapped by a Killer The Heather Robinson Story. 579 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: It has aired on Lifetime, but you can stream it now. 580 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: Not by a Killer, The Heather Robinson Story. Steve, you 581 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: were a pleasure. It was a joy to work with you. 582 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're a force. So thank you for 583 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: I was. I was honored to be in a scene 584 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: with you. 585 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: So I was too. 586 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: You're a really great actor, and you're such a great couple. 587 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: You know, you're you have such love for each other. 588 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: It's so beautiful to see because that's what the world 589 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: is about you know, and you have a great family, 590 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 2: and you know, you move to Nashville and you're making 591 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: a great life and you're you're both are working and contributing. 592 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: So and I can't wait to come down there at 593 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: Nashville and see you guys. 594 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: And the invitation is there, and we're gonna, you know, 595 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: maybe well we'll find you a nice little Southern girl 596 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: for you. Steve. 597 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 3: Hey, you. 598 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: Don't worry. I remember our talk. I'm trying to I'm 599 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: trying to match make don't you worry. I'm not. I 600 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: have you right here in my brain vibe. I might 601 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: have mentioned you to a girlfriend the other day. So 602 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, I've got you. I've got 603 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: you in mind, one of the best, so you deserve 604 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: the best. Is as all I'm want to say. 605 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 3: Thanks. I love you guys. Thanks for thank you for that. 606 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 4: So nice to see you. 607 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: Great to see you both. All right, Chad, soon talk 608 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 3: to you. 609 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: By loving so much amazing, all right, everybody will watch 610 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: Kidnap by Killer. The Heather Robinson story disturbing, but so 611 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: proud of Heather for letting us share her story and 612 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: giving her a voice in the tragedy that was her mom, 613 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: and and all those women so stream watch and support 614 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: Heather