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Speaker 2: If you have a gift, leave with your gift and

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Speaker 2: don't let your friends, family, or coworkers stop you from

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Speaker 2: planning or living your dreams. My guests today are Jackson

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Speaker 2: Dumbar and Tracy Hudson, and we'll be discussing how to

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Speaker 2: My guest is Jackson Dumbar. Life was almost perfect for

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Speaker 2: social entrepreneur Jackson Dunbar, the founder of the Well Mad

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Speaker 2: Foundation and well Mad Atlanta. It privately on psychiatric medical firm.

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Speaker 2: It seemed that everything was going extremely well until a

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Speaker 2: tragic car accident nearly took his life. Thankfully, he lived,

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Speaker 2: but he lost his quality of life as chronic pain

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Speaker 2: made it impossible for him to walk normally, play with

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Speaker 2: his kids, or even hook his wife. In his tell

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Speaker 2: all book Race Matters in Pain Medicine, Jackson Dunbar Squire

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Speaker 2: gives a first hand account on how he made money,

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Speaker 2: lost ninety pounds, and thrived in chronic pain. Please work

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Speaker 2: with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Dunbar, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me?

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I read the book. I got the book.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you know like I got it, and

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Speaker 2: it's a good read. First of all, but it was

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Speaker 2: an honest it was an honest book.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: Wow, let's let's talk about first of all, how are

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Speaker 2: you doing now physically?

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Speaker 4: Physically? What today was an okay pain day? As a

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Speaker 4: chronic pain patient where on medicine that really impairs our

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Speaker 4: cognitive functions? So I think today what it was okay?

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Speaker 3: So you're saying even today you have to deal with.

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Speaker 4: Pain, Yes, yes, yes, I had that accident back and

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Speaker 4: yeah yeah yeah, So for the last eight years, I've

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Speaker 4: been doing the dance for chronic pain, and yes, I

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Speaker 4: had to learn how to manage it. I which was

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Speaker 4: one of the reasons why I wrote my book. I

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Speaker 4: manage the pain. And a friend suggested that I write

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, let's let's talk about this.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's go back, because I don't want

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Speaker 2: I don't leave anybody in the dark about how this happened.

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Speaker 2: You know, you were just a short scenario. Your son

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Speaker 2: was in the backseat, you were driving. Your father, who

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I closed the biggest stal of well met Atlanta.

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Speaker 4: We're a group of child and ialysts and psychiatrists here

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Speaker 4: And I took him to a soccer game and someone

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Speaker 4: Me not so much. I would have of back procedures,

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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about what happened at the accident. You know,

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Speaker 2: because this young lady who was five foot seven in

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Speaker 2: your book says she's white, and you were dealing with pain,

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Speaker 4: Well, it was weird because I was more concerned about

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Speaker 4: And that was on the side of the road. I

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Speaker 4: had to have the top every black man has to

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Speaker 4: have with his son about racism. You know, we tried

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Speaker 4: it was a real how.

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Speaker 3: Did he take that conversation?

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Speaker 2: I know he was young, but how did he what

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Speaker 2: Because I know he was trying to be polite in

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Speaker 4: and the way he responded was he said, okay, I mean,

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Speaker 4: In fact, there were times when he yelled. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he and I were very physical. We used to bike

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Speaker 4: He was really angry at the woman because of the

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Speaker 3: Well know, I had.

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Speaker 2: A long collapsed when I was in Los Angeles and

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Speaker 2: I stayed in the hospital for thirty days. You know,

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Speaker 2: just I can relate in some ways to your chronic pain.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I was in the hospital, they gave

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Speaker 2: to it. But you still pressing, You still pressing because

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Speaker 2: in because my long recollapse. Here you are in your

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Speaker 2: When you have a machine over there, there's a drip, morphingdrim.

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Speaker 2: When they give you that machine, they know you are

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Speaker 2: in pain. And so you're telling me that you hurt

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Speaker 2: your back, correct, yes, sir, And so we all know

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Speaker 2: when you hurt your back, you realize how powerful or

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Speaker 2: how important your back is getting out of bed, walking

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Speaker 4: How did that your little physical life.

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Speaker 3: Had turned upside down? Correct?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and it's there were times, especially when they

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Speaker 4: And it's like, why is it that no one and

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about this because you know, the whole thing

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Speaker 3: Project is tied to sickle sale.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that people who have sickle

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Speaker 2: you know a lot of doctors or hospitals don't want

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Speaker 2: to give them medicine or drugs to reduce the pain

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Speaker 2: because they look them as drug seekers. That's a term

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Speaker 2: that you use in your book, that people perceive you

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Speaker 2: when you complain about your back, that they question your

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Speaker 2: pain and saw you as a black man, a drug seeker.

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Speaker 3: Correct, that's what you said in your book, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And it's weird because it wouldn't met and it's weird

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Speaker 4: because if I look at my background, I'm a job

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Speaker 4: none of that mattered. Nothing, No, And not only that,

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Speaker 4: not only that, I had I had images from an

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Speaker 4: has permanent nerve damage in this point. Yet they still

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Speaker 4: wouldn't give me the medication. They still thought I was

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Speaker 2: Right, And I'm telling you it is, especially in sickle

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Speaker 2: Now, you know, here's the thing I'm talking to. Jackson Dunbar.

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Speaker 2: His life changed ladies and gentlemen. He's changed an accident,

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Speaker 2: Chronic Pain, Race Matters and Pay Medicine by Jackson Dunbar Squire.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to a successful man, the entrepreneur whose life

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Speaker 2: with all the At what point in this whole game,

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Speaker 2: Because it's a game, it's a game of race, Jackson

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Speaker 4: I think the first time the insurance company tried to

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, And so what ended up happening was

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Speaker 2: There was two car insurance you were dealing you're dealing

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Speaker 4: Yes, I did. And and my my my attorney at

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Speaker 2: You know what amazes to me the most about this conversation,

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Speaker 3: So you three hundred and fifty pound I toller you,

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Speaker 4: Yes, so you got educated.

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Speaker 3: You go cruising and they steer your your medicine.

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Speaker 4: a seven day cruise. And the doctor on that ship

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Speaker 4: wasn't like anything on the love boat. And he didn't

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Speaker 4: he didn't believe me that I needed the meds. He

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Speaker 4: gave me a new profen. I'm my God, that's not

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Speaker 4: going to do anything. He wouldn't write of spirit.

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Speaker 2: He gave you, I have a profen and replace of

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Speaker 2: the medicines that you actually needed.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and you knows. And here's the thing. My wife

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Speaker 4: is a medical doctor, right, and tried to talk to

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Speaker 4: the person doctor, the doctor and still instill basically threw

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Speaker 4: us out of his office. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 3: And this is on the cruise ship.

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Speaker 4: Yes, wow, yeah, yeah. You know it's hard to have

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Speaker 4: a bad time on a cruise and I found out

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Speaker 4: how to do it. Well, you know, you taught me

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Speaker 4: a good lesson. No matter where I go, I lock

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Speaker 4: up my meds, they always stay with me.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is true. A lot of people don't understand

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Speaker 2: other people. What you might consider regular might have street value.

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Speaker 2: And that's what you discovered that your drugs had street vague.

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Speaker 2: And so that's the guy that the porter in your

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Speaker 2: room said he actually need threw it away, but he

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Speaker 2: probably stole it because he can actually go out there

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Speaker 2: and make money with it. But you know, as we

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Speaker 2: close this, you know, this book was rather fascinating to me,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I know you do.

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Speaker 3: I know you're a successful entrepreneur and especially.

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Speaker 2: In the well made foundation and the well made Atlanta

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Speaker 2: private your own psychiatric medical firm. As we close this out,

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Speaker 2: because we've just been talking about physical we's been talking

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Speaker 2: about the physicality of what you couldn't do. How did

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Speaker 2: that impact you mentally?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 4: I think now that was Now it did, And a

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Speaker 4: lot of that is because I think we as black

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Speaker 4: men were raised that real black men don't need therapy.

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Speaker 4: In fact, that's my favorite chapter in the book. And

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Speaker 4: they're fifteen million chronic pain patients out there. And what

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Speaker 4: I say is that if you don't have if you

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Speaker 4: don't have a good mental health team, a good psychologist

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Speaker 4: and a psychiatrist that specialize in pain management working on

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Speaker 4: you in your life, you won't be able to reclaim

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Speaker 4: your life. And that's hard for us. And I own

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Speaker 4: a psychiat I own a psychiatric consulting firm. I am

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Speaker 4: psychiatrists all around me. All of them were saying, hey, listen,

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Speaker 4: you need to see someone and I will and believe

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Speaker 4: it right. And it wasn't until what what I took

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Speaker 4: my daughter. I took my daughter to the hair store

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Speaker 4: and the person there was really rude. I started yelling

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Speaker 4: at them, and then my daughter ran away. She was

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Speaker 4: afraid of me.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And that was that was maybe what four years into

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Speaker 4: this odyssey. And at that point I got a good

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Speaker 4: mental healtee, and what the psychiatrist was able to do

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Speaker 4: was fascinating. She basically what happens is that you may

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Speaker 4: have a pain management doctor, you may have an attorneys,

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Speaker 4: you may have a urologist and a few other folks,

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Speaker 4: and all of them are giving you different medications. So

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Speaker 4: by the end you could be taking packing to twenty

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Speaker 4: pills a day, two three times a day. So what

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Speaker 4: the psychiatrist was able to do was actually going through

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Speaker 4: all the medications and say, Okay, that was making you crazy,

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Speaker 4: that was making you gain weight, Here's what I'm going

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Speaker 4: to do. And from there, Bam, I was able to

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Speaker 4: be myself about about three or four hours out of

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Speaker 4: the day I was, and then I was able to

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Speaker 4: put together strategies, Strategies on how to navigate medical racism,

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Speaker 4: strategies on how to make money even though I couldn't work,

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Speaker 4: strategies on how to lose weight even though I was

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Speaker 4: on meds that made you gang weight, and then finally,

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Speaker 4: strategies on how to thrive even though I was on

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Speaker 4: medications that made you suicidal, and and I was working.

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Speaker 4: I was I was a volunteer at Senator Raffia Warnocks

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Speaker 4: campaign and I was there with this minister. We were

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Speaker 4: talking about this. She said out this anger. She's like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, you got a lot of anger there.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you should write a book about this whole thing.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, hey, maybe what I learned could help

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Speaker 4: other people. And so that's and that's why I wrote it.

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Speaker 4: You know, what do you do? What do you do

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Speaker 4: to navigate medical racism? How do you make money when

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Speaker 4: you're crying to pain? You can't? How do you let's see,

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Speaker 4: how do you thrive when you're on medication that makes

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Speaker 4: you crazy? And how do you lose weight when you

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Speaker 4: run pay medication that makes you gain weight? So that

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Speaker 4: was why I wrote the book.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, friend, it was an incredible read. How can

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Speaker 2: we get in touch with you Jackson?

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's when it get in touch with me is

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Speaker 4: to go to Jackson dumbar dot com. That's Jackson dumbbar

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Speaker 4: dot com. Uh, you can even hit me up on

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Speaker 4: I g at jack fights Racism.

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Speaker 2: Wow, now, Jackson Dunbar. There's a contact link on your

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Speaker 2: website that they can fill out a form and you respond.

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Speaker 4: To yes, yes, yes, they hit that link and once

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Speaker 4: they do, if they have any questions about some of

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Speaker 4: them money and make because I'm really big on investing.

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Speaker 4: I'm really big on investing because, in my view, is

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Speaker 4: the only way that someone in cron of pain can

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Speaker 4: and make money. And it's not as hard as people think.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's another conversation now, you know. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: get through this book. I got another guest, incredible guests

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Speaker 2: that I want to talk to in this other half

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Speaker 2: hundred hour. But the most important thing I wanted to

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Speaker 2: tell this story. If you have time, love to bring

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Speaker 2: you back to talk about the investment side of being

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Speaker 2: able to apply yourself and not let physicality or chronic pain,

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Speaker 2: or disappointment or lost dreams stop you from achieving in

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Speaker 2: another area. That's another side of your life that I

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Speaker 2: thought was really important. But I had never any interview

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Speaker 2: with anybody who had an accent like that. Still dealing

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Speaker 2: with the pain today, dealt with so much denial, mister Dunbar.

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Speaker 2: You incredible. I appreciate you coming on the show again.

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Speaker 2: Is tell all book, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dunbar x squire And where's that website? One more

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Speaker 2: time as we close out the interview.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Things it's that Jacksondumbar dot com. That's

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Speaker 4: Jackson Dumbar dot com or ig at jackvice racism.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to my friend. Stay healthy, Stay healthy.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by

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Speaker 5: Rashaan McDonald.

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Speaker 2: She's on the line, she's waiting, Tracy Hudson. If you

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Speaker 2: want to know about beauty, you know, like my especial skincare.

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Speaker 2: That's what I brought her on the show, skincare. I'm

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Speaker 2: a man. I worry about my skin too. Maybe she

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Speaker 2: can give me some advice. She deals with a lot

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Speaker 2: of celebrities. I'm just a regular dude, and all my

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Speaker 2: listeners just regular people. So Tracy, help out the regular people.

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Speaker 2: I know you doing it with the celebrities, but help

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Speaker 2: out the regular people. We're right back with more interview

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Speaker 2: times spent with Tracy Hudson.

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Speaker 6: Masterclass now tunes into the Money Making Conversations Minute of

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Speaker 6: Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald's a Money Making Conversation Masterclass with

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Speaker 2: your daily minute of inspiration. During a conversation with speaker

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Speaker 2: Arthur and motivator Lisa Nichols. She talked about why she

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Speaker 2: pursues abundance versus wealth.

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Speaker 9: I realize that there's a complete distinction between wealth. Wealth

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Speaker 9: is a unilateral conversation around money and possessions.

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Speaker 4: That's wealth, and while that's.

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Speaker 10: An indicator of some level.

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Speaker 9: Of success, wealth is not the ultimate indicator of success.

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Speaker 9: Abundance is abundance, is not just the unilateral category called wealth,

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Speaker 9: money and possession. Abundance is abundance in your relationships, abundant

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Speaker 9: in having health wealth abundant, and having spiritual wealth abundant,

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Speaker 9: and having financial wealth. It's one category of a very

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Speaker 9: large picture.

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Speaker 3: You could listen to.

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Speaker 2: This full interview with Lisa Nichols is available on Moneymaking

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Speaker 2: Conversations dot com.

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by

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Speaker 5: Rashaan MacDonald.

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Speaker 2: My guest Season on the Line, Tracy Hudson, the average

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Speaker 2: American woman beauty routine exposed us to more than one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty different toxins and chemicals every single day

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Speaker 2: for Tracy Hudson's skincare. That's Tracy Hudson's skincare. Nothing about

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Speaker 2: that is acceptable. As a celebrity esthetician training in dermatology,

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Speaker 2: working alongside a physician and dermatologists. Since two thousand and six,

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Speaker 2: Tracy has researched skin, educating her audience and building the

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Speaker 2: award winning line of products. Her hands on experience as

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Speaker 2: an esthetician and trusted skincare expert has created a real

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Speaker 2: world solution products that are formulated for different types of skin.

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Speaker 2: That's important. I have all these skin, ladies, and I

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Speaker 2: don't have dry skin. Tracy has a long list of

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Speaker 2: notable clients, including Monica the singer, DL Hughley, the comedian,

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Speaker 2: Ardor Day, the singer Anthony anders Is, the comic actor

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Speaker 2: according to b Vance, the great actor, Michelle Williams, ooh singer.

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Speaker 2: It's a loan both of these people from Houston, Texas.

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Speaker 2: Tyler to the creator and Besha way up. Please welcome

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Speaker 2: the Money Money Making Conversation Masterclass to one and only

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Speaker 2: Tracy Hudson.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, Tracy?

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Speaker 10: Hello, good evening. I think where you are? Thanks for

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Speaker 10: having me?

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Speaker 2: Well, I come from Atlanta. I'm in Atlanta. My shore

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Speaker 2: originates from Atlanta. And you know syndication nationally and you're

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming in Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 10: I am in La. Yeah, so we've got about a

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Speaker 10: three hour time different, so it's evening for you and

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Speaker 10: and maybe late afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you thought all these celebrity names, and I

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Speaker 2: know I know Monica, I know d L. I know

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Speaker 2: Anthony Anderson, and I know Michelle was very well and

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Speaker 2: all of them have great skin?

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Speaker 3: Is it because of you, Tracy? Is it because of you?

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Speaker 10: You know? You know what? Well? First of all, of course,

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna take one hupful responsibility for that. And most

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Speaker 10: of the people that you mentioned have been with me

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Speaker 10: for years. Right, Monica has already really great skin. I

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Speaker 10: enhanced it, but yeah, most d L. In fact, ironically

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Speaker 10: Dale just is gonna to be here in about twenty

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Speaker 10: minutes for his treatment.

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Speaker 3: So please tell them that's my frat brother. Now, please

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Speaker 3: tell us my frat brother.

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Speaker 2: You know, actually got two of my frat brother doh

652
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Speaker 2: is a frat brother or make USI five fraternity and

653
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Speaker 2: Anthony Anderson is also another one of my frat brothers.

654
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Speaker 10: So just let you know that that is so ironic.

655
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 10: So Anthony was in her yesterday and we had just

656
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 10: he keeps me and they both keep me in stitches.

657
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 10: I'm trying to focus and do their skin and they're

658
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 10: just you know, they're just keeping me in stitches. But yeah,

659
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 10: Anthony was in her yesterday and Gale is and they're

660
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 10: very open about sharing. I have to say that there.

661
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Speaker 10: I have a really great client base and they're really

662
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 10: just lovely. You know, I'm not doing anything highly confidential,

663
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 10: so they're really lovely about sharing and you know, and

664
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Speaker 10: you know, and it's a beautiful thing. So yeah, DL

665
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Speaker 10: will be in here in about thirty minutes.

666
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Speaker 2: Now here's the thing I missed you. I'm tell you

667
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: I missed you because I left LA in two thousand

668
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: and five and all the time I was rolling through

669
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Speaker 2: Englewood in different places trying to get you know, trying

670
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Speaker 2: to get my skin right. And you know when I

671
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: say that, I mean you know, the uh, the black

672
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: little the little bumps you try to get off your face,

673
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: try to keep your kin, skin smooth. And so I've

674
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Speaker 2: been this way ever since I was a toddler. When

675
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Speaker 2: I say todd, I say about eight years old. I

676
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: was always worried about my skin. I was always worried

677
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Speaker 2: about how can I take care of because I didn't

678
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: want acne, I didn't want bumps in my face for

679
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: somebod In my mind, it dawned on me that there

680
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: was a process, and early on, when I didn't have

681
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: any money, the original process was wash your face and

682
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: warm water and then rented in cold water. The warm

683
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: water opens your pores and the cold water will close

684
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Speaker 2: the poors.

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Speaker 4: Was Is that correct?

686
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Speaker 10: No?

687
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I've been doing it.

688
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Speaker 10: You have, you have it essentially, it's the concept that's

689
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Speaker 10: a little bit off. You want you want to cleanse

690
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 10: your skin, and you want to there's a couple of things.

691
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 10: Your skin, a skincare, a good solid skincare routine, right,

692
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 10: So you want to cleanse your skin twice a day.

693
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 10: Warm water is correct. Warm that's fine. But if you

694
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Speaker 10: choose to rinse it at the very end, once your

695
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 10: skin is clean, you want to do a cold rent

696
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 10: that's not necessary. But that's perfectly fine. I mean, you

697
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 10: were a kid, so it's you know, sort of I'm sorry.

698
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: I'm just let you know, doing it as adult today,

699
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: I'm still that's my fairy.

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Speaker 3: Then.

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Speaker 10: That's that's why I want to I just want to

702
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 10: clarify because I have clients who make the mistake of

703
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 10: washing their face with cold water, and that's not you. Yeah,

704
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 10: you want to make sure it's clean. But if you

705
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 10: want to do that last rint like sometimes hair dressers

706
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 10: do with it the hair, that's perfectly fine. But but

707
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 10: I also you said course open and close, right, it's

708
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 10: course not. It's not a muscle. So they and a lot

709
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 10: of people think they open and close. They do not.

710
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 10: So hot water does not open it and cold water

711
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 10: does not close them.

712
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Speaker 2: I'm quiet because all my life, Tracy, I've been doing

713
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Speaker 2: this fifty years.

714
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 3: I've been watching my face like this over fifty years.

715
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Speaker 10: Well, you know, your your skin. You're in a good place.

716
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 10: It's not bad. But understanding the concept you're not. You're

717
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 10: really not far off. The market's just understanding that hot

718
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 10: water or warm water is not opening. It's not the

719
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 10: opening and closing up the poors.

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Speaker 3: Let me just stop.

721
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Speaker 2: This is a good conversation. First of all, because somewhere

722
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: I've read this, now have I not read this? Isn't

723
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: it written somewhere that you that warm water opens your

724
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: pores and close cold water closes?

725
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Speaker 10: It's not any you you know, it's similar to me

726
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 10: if you find it, if you find someone who's still

727
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 10: writing that, so what happened?

728
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: But it was written like that at one time, right, not.

729
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Speaker 10: It could have been. It could have been because I

730
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 10: know that a lot of people. I think the skin

731
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 10: care has evolved, and skin the education around it has

732
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 10: evolved so much. People care more about their skin. They

733
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 10: want glowing skin, they want healthy skin. They don't want

734
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Speaker 10: to have the women don't want to have to makeup.

735
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 10: Women and men don't want to have to wear makeup

736
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Speaker 10: and all that. So there's been an evolution, and so

737
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 10: there's been a lot of correction and a lot of

738
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Speaker 10: debunking of myths. So that is, pores are not muscles.

739
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 10: They don't open and close. There's no you can refine them.

740
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 10: You can make the smaller facials make them look smaller.

741
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 10: Chemical pills refine them and make them smaller, using retinall

742
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 10: makes them look smaller. These kinds of things, you know,

743
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 10: but they don't. It doesn't open. And if you think

744
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 10: about it, you know the pores in your skin that

745
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 10: for your sabacious glands, they don't open and close.

746
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: They just I'm just going to tell you you have

747
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: knocked me off the horse. Now that's a good thing,

748
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: because sometimes you got to get information. You're telling me

749
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: the truth. I bring people on the show for information

750
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: and education. I brought you in the show because I'm thinking,

751
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm mister smarty pants. I've been doing it right all

752
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: my life, so so you know, I got I got

753
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, soap, you know, the little soap with little

754
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 2: you know, put it on my face. So what should

755
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: one do? What should Rushan McDonald do now that he

756
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: knows that warm water doesn't open pores and close cold

757
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: water after you wash your face and cold water doesn't

758
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: close your pors. What should I be doing before I

759
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: wake up in the morning, and what should I be

760
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Speaker 2: doing when I go to sleep at night?

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Speaker 10: Fantastic. You want to start off cleansing your skin, and

762
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 10: you want a quality cleanser. I'm going to kind of

763
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 10: go off off topic here a little bit and talk

764
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Speaker 10: about how important it is to use well formulated products,

765
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Speaker 10: because I heard you say a little soap in it,

766
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Speaker 10: and that's what makes the difference in terms of making

767
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 10: your pores look more refined. There's a difference between over

768
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 10: the counter skincare, the things you buy at the grocery

769
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 10: store that that your local drug store, and things that

770
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Speaker 10: are well formulated, things that are a medical grade and

771
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 10: medical grade does not necessarily mean it's going to cost

772
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Speaker 10: you more. Okay, So in terms of that that cost perception,

773
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 10: a lot of people have tons of products under their stink,

774
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 10: whereas if you have a well formulated cleanser that's been showed,

775
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 10: that's been tailored for you. So you saw, it's a

776
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 10: matter of DA regulation in making sure that the active

777
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 10: ingredients that are supposed to be and the products are

778
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 10: in it. Over the counter, FAA does not, WRE does

779
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 10: not regulate products. They don't regular, there's no clinical studies,

780
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 10: they're not regulated, and they're pretty they're not tailored. You

781
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 10: go into the store, you buy, nobody's there to help you,

782
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 10: and you buy whatever you buy, and a hundred people

783
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 10: can buy the same thing. Right. So you just at

784
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 10: the top you said you had oily skin, but that's dry,

785
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 10: So would they used to send cleanser No, Right, so

786
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 10: I knew that for a fact. Now, yeah, so you

787
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 10: need if you have oily skin, you need different cleanser

788
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 10: dry skin. If you have skin, you have sensitive skin,

789
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 10: if you have aging skin. So you want things to

790
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 10: be tailored somewhat. And at the end of the day,

791
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 10: in terms of money, it becomes cost effective because you're

792
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 10: not buying a bunch of things that aren't working. That's

793
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 10: just laying in your bathroom sink. You know, people have

794
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 10: tons of products that they don't I see these clients

795
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 10: all the time, this is just working for you, and

796
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 10: they say to me no, and they go out and

797
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 10: buy something else, and something else and something else. So

798
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 10: really kind of getting on board with a really good

799
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 10: aspetian who can guide you along. Just like you and

800
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 10: I always say that you seek a dentist for your teeth,

801
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 10: you succeed, seek a doctor for health benefits. You don't

802
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 10: kind of go to the you know, you might guess

803
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 10: a little bit, go get some ask front or something.

804
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 10: But you know, people are I think, leaning into a

805
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 10: little bit more finding an expetition to guide them along

806
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 10: so that their skin looks great and then they can

807
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 10: focus on doing their job well.

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00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: You know, Trasa, first of all, thank you for calling

809
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: in the show.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I, you know, this has been an

811
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Speaker 2: eye opener for me because of the fact that you know, I,

812
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, I have facial hair. Sometimes I have a

813
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: beerd sometimes I have or now have a go tee

814
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: Van Dyke it is, let's say, and so so that

815
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: means sometimes my facial My face is pretty much covered

816
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: right now. I have a Van Dyke, so my skin

817
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: is partially exposed, and so I have So I'm dealing

818
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: with that because when you know, when you have a beard,

819
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: you know, dead skin and all that stuff you have

820
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: to deal with. So do you deal with indie videws

821
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: who have hair on their face? Are you dealing with

822
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: clean people who have clean faces?

823
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 3: Or how did this Anthony?

824
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 10: Anthony was just Anthony comes in. Yes, yes he's got

825
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 10: a full but yeah, yeah, I have clients who have

826
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 10: absolutely you know, and you and I you know again,

827
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 10: they're very generous and I'm so appreciative, but they allow

828
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 10: me to share their services. And you'll see me go

829
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 10: through his beard, you know, I actually go through it

830
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 10: and make sure the skin underneath the beard is treated. Yeah,

831
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 10: so you know, we don't. I don't like to admit

832
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 10: that part, you know, So.

833
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: You're not just worried about the uncovered part.

834
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Speaker 2: You deal with the just the beard and all those elements.

835
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Speaker 10: Why not the same with the same with any of

836
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Speaker 10: my clients, you know, any of my clients with facial hair.

837
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Speaker 10: You know, I always say to my male clients, come

838
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 10: in with your face the way you normally wear it,

839
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 10: so you don't have to shave for your facial appointment,

840
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 10: for example, Come in with it the way you normally

841
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 10: normally you can freshly save shave that morning the areas

842
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 10: that you normally shave well.

843
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Speaker 3: This is her.

844
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Speaker 2: Tracy Huts is an avid tennis player who Enjoorge Cookie, hiking,

845
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: fitness and traveling. In December or twenty twenty three, Tracy

846
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: received the prestigious Presidential Lifetime Achievement, the Ward from the

847
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Speaker 2: United States.

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Speaker 3: President, mister Joseph Biden.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back to learn more because you already

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Speaker 2: know if you're listening to the show, Rashwan has as

851
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Speaker 2: they said, the rockets fell on my head and now

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00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm a lot smarter.

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Speaker 3: This has been a great show so far. We're going

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Speaker 3: to continue after the break.

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Speaker 6: You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute

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Speaker 6: of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Rashaan McDonald from Money Making Conversation Masterclass with

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Speaker 2: your daily minuting of Inspiration. This week, I said that

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Speaker 2: with attorney, arbitrator, author, and Emmy nominated host of Divorce

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Speaker 2: Court Judge Faith Jenkins. Judge Faith Jenkins shares why it

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Speaker 2: may be beneficial to add your own perspective and opinion

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Speaker 2: to your position.

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Speaker 11: What would happen with someone's case would literally depend on

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Speaker 11: who got their case. So if I got a case

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Speaker 11: and it was a young person from Harlem, I would

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Speaker 11: have a different perspective than a lot of my colleagues.

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Speaker 11: So it was very important for me to add my

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Speaker 11: perspective to that job. So when it came time to

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Speaker 11: calling on me for television, they were looking for people

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Speaker 11: like me who could add a different perspective and opinion

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Speaker 11: when giving analysis on these cases.

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Speaker 2: If you want to listen to this full interview with

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Speaker 2: Judge Faith Jenkins's available on money Making Conversation dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Money Making Conversation master Class. I have

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Speaker 2: the one and only skin expert Tracy Hudson on the call. Tracy,

876
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: you're a motivator too. You you know, read quotes, look

877
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Speaker 2: at your social media. Motivation is really part of your

878
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: whole influence as well as skincare as well as getting

879
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Speaker 2: it right, getting people's life right, both men and women.

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00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: Why is that?

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00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 10: Yeah? You know, I think I've been doing this for

882
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 10: almost two decades and when people lay on the table,

883
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 10: you know, they you know, they as a sharing and

884
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Speaker 10: you know, over the years, you where I can help,

885
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 10: I always want to help, And a lot of times

886
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Speaker 10: it's that self care piece, it's that wellness piece. You know,

887
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Speaker 10: I'm not a therapist, you know, I have limitations, but

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Speaker 10: where I can, I will and I do. And a

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Speaker 10: lot of times when we, for example, we exercise and

890
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Speaker 10: we eat right, you know, we can start to feel

891
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Speaker 10: better and then we can deal with some of the

892
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 10: other things we have going on in our life a

893
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Speaker 10: lot better. So, you know, those motivating people to exercise

894
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Speaker 10: and exercise ties into skincare, keeps thinking, keeps it's anti aging,

895
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Speaker 10: keeps your skin tight and firm, you know, on your

896
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Speaker 10: face or neck and the rest of your body. So

897
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 10: it all ties in for me. And you know, when

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Speaker 10: you look good, you do good, you feel good.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. We have a call here, Donna. She has a

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Speaker 3: call about skincare. How are you doing? Donna?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. What is your question?

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Speaker 10: Hi? How are you?

903
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Speaker 12: I got question is about natural things such as like

904
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Speaker 12: sea moss and alo vera.

905
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Speaker 10: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 12: For you using on your as part of your skincare.

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Speaker 10: You know, I keep alvera I keep. I keep a

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Speaker 10: fresh plant on hand. I'm a big fan of alivera.

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00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 10: It's very calming, it's dehydrating, it helps to recover and

910
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Speaker 10: rehab the skin. I use it on an as needed basis.

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Speaker 10: It's not it's not a regular part of my sincare.

912
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Speaker 10: I use all my clients sometimes as needed. Those are

913
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Speaker 10: wonderful things to have on have on hand.

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Speaker 13: Those are great toys.

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00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 10: I think the other thing you asked me about was

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Speaker 10: the sea moths, and I have some of that my refrigerator.

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Speaker 10: I don't use it on my skin, but I do

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Speaker 10: take it.

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00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: Well, listen you, that's just something you take. You consume.

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00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, I consume SEMy you can buy. Yeah, you can purchase.

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Speaker 13: You can purchase it a.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I do.

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Speaker 12: I consume sea moss as well.

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Speaker 4: But I do a facial like once.

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Speaker 12: In a blue moon. I'll do a facial like say,

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Speaker 12: maybe once every two months and every three months, and

927
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Speaker 12: it does have an affirming effect, and once I rent

928
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Speaker 12: it off, it.

929
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Speaker 4: Does make my skin so wonderful.

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Speaker 12: My skin's so refreshed. And I just want to make

931
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Speaker 12: sure I know everything that's natural. Sometimes it's not good

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Speaker 12: for you internally.

933
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Speaker 4: Or externally.

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Speaker 12: That's why I want to check, like, what's the like

935
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Speaker 12: I said, Okay, I know sea wants is located to Ingest,

936
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Speaker 12: but how about also putting on your skin.

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Speaker 13: Now, my guess would be that you have pretty good

938
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Speaker 13: skin because and that is sea moss to put on

939
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Speaker 13: your skin. If it's working for you, it's perfectly fine.

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Speaker 13: One of the things that I don't do unless I.

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Speaker 10: Deem something is harmful. That that adage if it's not broken,

942
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Speaker 10: you know. So if you're loving your skin used sea moths,

943
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Speaker 10: if there's nothing and it's going to be damaging or

944
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Speaker 10: harmful to your skin long term, enjoy it. But in

945
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Speaker 10: terms of seeing tangible changes in your skin, that's where

946
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Speaker 10: it's gonna come off short. That's where it's typically natural

947
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Speaker 10: products fall short. And that's why Lena products that have

948
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Speaker 10: more active ingredients. So when you want to uh, you know,

949
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Speaker 10: brighten the skin. If you're dealing with hyperpigmentation and dark monks,

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Speaker 10: if you're dealing with acne, you're gonna be very limited

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Speaker 10: with natural, really natural products.

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Speaker 2: Don I'm gonna let you go because I know you're

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Speaker 2: driving your car. Sound is starting to consume.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Oh we call again.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time because she out on

957
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Speaker 2: the streets, out there trying to get information.

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Speaker 3: Get her face right.

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00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: Now, here's the here's the thing, Tracy, we all get

960
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: suckered into this. Okay, we go on vacation, go on vacation,

961
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Speaker 2: and then you go down to the little Jim Air

962
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: and they had this little all these little cards. You

963
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Speaker 2: can get a massus massage, you can get a facial

964
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Speaker 2: and all that stuff. What is the purpose of a facial?

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Speaker 10: So the purpose of a facial is many. I guess

966
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Speaker 10: that there's different levels to the type. You go on vacation.

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00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 10: It's probably just relaxing blood. The massage is very anti

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Speaker 10: aging because simulating the blood slow and their skin moving

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Speaker 10: the tissue around. You know, people think it's just a

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Speaker 10: feel good thing, but it's actually very beneficial. So it's

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Speaker 10: deep pins in their skin. You know, it's anti aging,

972
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Speaker 10: it feels good, it's relaxing, it's distressing, all those things.

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Speaker 10: But then there's the type of faces that I do,

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Speaker 10: which are more results oriented. So my facials are not there.

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Speaker 10: You know. I try to strike a balance so my

976
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Speaker 10: clients are relaxed, but I'm more about the results. And

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Speaker 10: actually making tangible changes to the skin.

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Speaker 3: Well here's the thing. Okay, this you bore Rusean mc

979
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Speaker 3: donell talking to you. I go out there.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've had the little lamp on me, and

981
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: the lamp supposed to do something to my face.

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Speaker 3: I've had them.

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Speaker 2: I had the person take their fingers and massage my

984
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Speaker 2: face really hard. I've had the person you know, on

985
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: my nose, you know, pushing little things around on my

986
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 2: nose supposed to be making my smoother and all that

987
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: good stuff is about consistently doing it and not all

988
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: this once a quarter or once a month or once

989
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: a a half a year doing it.

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00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 3: That's my problem.

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00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: Or if I do need to do it consistently, anybody

992
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: who's listening should be doing facial care consistently.

993
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: What is the pattern and what we should we follow up?

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00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 10: You know, I think that I have clients that come

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00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 10: in once a month. I have clients that come in

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00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 10: once a quarter. I'm going to go back to products,

997
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 10: because the products are something that you use every day.

998
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 10: So elevating your products to something that that has higher

999
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 10: active ingredients, because imagine if you come in and you

1000
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 10: get a facial once a month, right and you have that.

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00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: That's what Sean and that's what Sean coming in trying

1002
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 2: to get trying to get all those years removed off

1003
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: my face with a facial.

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00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 10: So your skin looks good for what a week? Two weeks?

1005
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: Just like she said, you know, I feel my skin

1006
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: is like tight is it feels fresh, and and I

1007
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: just walk away.

1008
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 10: For how long? For how long? For how long after

1009
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 10: your treatment?

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00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying by it, but I won't

1011
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: tell you because about the hour, about the hour, it

1012
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: feels like it's back to normal, because you're right.

1013
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 10: So then that speaks to a couple of things. So

1014
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 10: the type of facial you're having, most of my clients

1015
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 10: maintain their results without even using my products for a week.

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00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 10: So you're talking about that's a different kind of facial, right,

1017
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 10: and that's pretty standard people. You know, the next day

1018
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 10: you've been offacial and you don't look like you are.

1019
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about this.

1020
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this traits because I'm really enjoyed this

1021
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: conversation because you know, you've seen people with the cucumbers

1022
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 2: over their eyes. You've seen people with the I guess

1023
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 2: the mask, like the green mask. I've had that so

1024
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: that does last longer. That does last longer. And but

1025
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm a person that goes out in the streets.

1026
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 3: I go out in the sun.

1027
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm very active and so you know

1028
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: I'll sweat and so so I'm not a person that

1029
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: stays in air condition that long. So you give me

1030
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: a facial, I'm immediately go out into the elements and

1031
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: just start living my life like I normally do. But

1032
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: I will not denounce the value of a facial. I

1033
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: will never say that the value of facial makes me

1034
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: enjoy my life. And also I feel has lengthened the

1035
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: quality of my looks physically because I've done that. But

1036
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: it is tied to the type of facial that you get.

1037
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 3: Correct.

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00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's different types and there's different levels,

1039
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 10: so you know, yeah, and yeah, it's you going out

1040
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 10: into the elements after offacial. You just want to make

1041
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 10: sure you protect your skin and you're wearing sunscreen.

1042
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: Right, because it's really sensitive. Once you finish of facial,

1043
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: your skin is really exposed.

1044
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:40,760
Speaker 3: Correct.

1045
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1046
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: Wow, Well, as we wrap this call up, how can

1047
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: we get in touch with you, Tracy. I want to

1048
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: bring you back with summer's coming and that's when we

1049
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: need to have you. That's when people go out there,

1050
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: ignore sunscreen, ignore any elements of skin care and ongoing

1051
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: procedures that can make their facial look look fantastic a

1052
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: lot longer. How do we get in touch with you

1053
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: and what type of products are you having available out there?

1054
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 10: I have a full line available and again obviously it's

1055
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 10: medical grade, very active and active ingredients. But you can

1056
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 10: find me at Tracy Hudson's Skincare on Instagram, and that

1057
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 10: way you can actually see my work and you know

1058
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 10: some of the things that I share. My website is

1059
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Speaker 10: Tracy t r A c y s t A dot com,

1060
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Speaker 10: tracyspa dot com.

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00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: Well, Trachid, thank you for spending taking the time. I

1062
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: hope you enjoyed my interview to want to come back

1063
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: because I want to bring you back this summer because.

1064
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: We need you. We need you.

1065
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: You've already you already fixed your boy, because you boy

1066
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: won't be doing hot and cold.

1067
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: No Mo, the wodden cold, No MO.

1068
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 10: Don't want It'll be exciting to see some of the

1069
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 10: some of the changes you decide to make. I want to.

1070
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 10: I want to hear how it's doing.

1071
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: You got that I want to hear and you know

1072
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm to be honest, and you know I'm going.

1073
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 10: To be I want to hear that you got better products,

1074
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 10: and I want to thank you blank soundscreen on a

1075
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 10: regular basis. I want to hear some talk about maybe

1076
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 10: some foliation too, all those big.

1077
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 2: Words, I'm an bring it to my vocabulary exfoliation. Whoa

1078
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 2: she really doing me big?

1079
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: Now?

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00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations Master Class.

1081
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: Please tell my frat brother d o hugli hi Okay, I.

1082
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Speaker 10: Will glow on.

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Speaker 3: Thank you bye.

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Speaker 5: As host of Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Rashan McDonald is

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Speaker 5: understand blueprint because it's time to stop reading other people's

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Speaker 5: success stories and start writing your own. The show, Money

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Speaker 5: Making Conversations Masterclass interview CEOs, small business owners, influencers, and celebrities.

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Speaker 5: They share financial and career success tips that you can

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