1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Minkie. Listener Discretion is advised. Three 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one years ago, nineteen people were executed 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: in Salem, Massachusetts. Eighteen of them were hanged in front 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: of hordes of enthralled onlookers. One unfortunate soul was crushed 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: to death after being pinned under boulders for three long 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: days in an effort to extract a plea from the 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: accused man. Their crime witchcraft, or so their accusers said. 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: Among those hanged was John Procter, a local farmer and 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: tavern owner. Procter and his wife Elizabeth, were both accused 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: of witchcraft. Today, a house bearing his name stands just 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: outside the modern borders of Salem. It may technically be 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: in the next town over, but the John Procter House 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: looms large over the darkest parts of Salem's history, and 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: it is absolutely full of ghosts, not only of those 16 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: who were touched by the witch trials, but by generations 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: of spirits who are there for a reason you might 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: not expect. I'm Amy Bruney, and this is Haunted Road. 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: Born in England in sixteen thirty one, John Procter Junior 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: emigrated to America when he was just three years old 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: with his parents, John Senior and Martha Proctor. The family 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: settled in Ipswich, a town in the Massachusetts Bay Colony 23 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: about twelve miles north of Salem. The elder Procter was 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: well respected in Ipswich. He owned many properties and was 25 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: one of the town's wealthiest residence. Despite a life of prosperity, 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: the younger John Proctor's life was marked by loss. He 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: married his first wife, Martha, in Ipswich in sixteen fifty two. 28 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: They had four children together, but in sixteen fifty nine, 29 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Martha died in childbirth. Only one of their kids, Benjamin, 30 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: survived into adulthood. After Martha's death, Proctor married Elizabeth Thorndyke 31 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: in sixteen sixty two, with whom he had seven more children. 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Two of those kids also passed away in their youth. 33 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: In sixteen sixty six, the family relocated to Salem. The 34 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: Proctor's leased a large farm on the outskirts of Salemtown, 35 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: which today is Peebody, mass Back then, it was referred 36 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: to as Salem Fields. To give you an idea of 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: the level of respect the Procter family had. John leased 38 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: a three hundred acre farm from one of the most 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: prominent figures in Massachusetts Bay Colony, Emmanuel Downing, who was 40 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: one of the earliest New England settlers. His son, George Downing, 41 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: had Downing Street in London, where the Prime Minister lives, 42 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: named after him. The property included a home located on 43 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: a main road through Salemtown. Two years after settling in Salem, 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: Procter obtained a license to run a tavern. While he 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: and his sons farmed the land, the women ran the tavern. 46 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: Elizabeth died in sixteen seventy two. Two years later, Procter 47 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: married for a third time to Elizabeth Bassett. Between sixteen 48 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: seventy four and sixteen ninety two, they had six children. 49 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: At the time of the trials, Elizabeth was pregnant with 50 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: their seventh. If you're counting, that's a total of seventeen 51 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: kids for John Procter. According to the Salem Witch Museum, 52 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: When the first witchcraft accusations began in the winter of 53 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: sixteen ninety two, Procter's reaction was skeptical. From what we 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: can see in the records, he appears to have been 55 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: a practical and forward thinking man, successful in business and 56 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: hard working. He was sixty, had sired seventeen children, not 57 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: all of whom lived to adulthood, by three different wives, 58 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and was outspoken about his feelings against the witchcraft hysteria. 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: The accusations first came from two very young girls, Elizabeth Paris, 60 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: the nine year old daughter of Salem's minister Samuel Paris, 61 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: and Abigail Williams, the eleven year old niece of Samuel Paris. 62 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: Though many people joined in on the accusations of witchcraft 63 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: as time progressed, Paris and William's remain into the main 64 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: accusers throughout the trials. Motivations for the accusations were varied, 65 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: and for some onlookers suspicious. From the start. Procter was 66 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: critical of the accusers. According to Salem Ghost City Tours, 67 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: he did not agree with the witch hunt and was 68 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: very vocal about his opinion. He would mention his disbelief 69 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: in the witchcraft accusations to anyone who would listen. In 70 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: her book titled Hunting for Witches, Francis Hill mentions that 71 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: Proctor publicly demanded the accusers be hanged for their deceit 72 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: instead of the other way around. In Procter's case, he 73 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: and his wife were first accused by their servant, Mary Warren. 74 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: Mary began to display fits of demonic possession in March 75 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: sixteen ninety two. Salem Ghost City Tours wrote that Proctor 76 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: beat Mary to correct her behavior, which of course led 77 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: to a miraculous recovery. It seems like Mary was acting 78 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: normally until Procter went on a business trip. While he 79 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: was away, her strange symptoms returned, and she decided to 80 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: join the trials. Naturally, other young girls in the village 81 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: immediately followed. Some accounts suggest that Abigail Williams joined in 82 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: on those accusations because Proctor had been calling for her hanging, 83 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: and she retaliated against him to divert attention from herself. 84 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: According to the Assalem Witch Museum, Proctor would say publicly 85 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: that he felt all of the accusers would come to 86 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: their senses if they were thrashed. His words would come 87 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: back to haunt him. Elizabeth was arrested on April tenth 88 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: and questioned on April eleventh, sixteen ninety two. By the 89 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: end of Elizabeth's examination, John was also accused of witchcraft 90 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: and arrested. Proctor's sons Benjamin and William, and daughter Sarah 91 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: were also accused later in the year, as more and 92 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: more people were named in the complaints leveled against them. 93 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: They are accused of sundry acts of witchcraft. Benjamin's complaint 94 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: breaths that he is wanted on high suspicion of several 95 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: acts of witchcraft against several people, whereby great hurt and 96 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: damage hath been done to the bodies of said persons, 97 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: and therefore create justice. The biggest reason that the accused 98 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: were unable to successfully clear their names is that the 99 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: religious hysteria of the time dictated that they were guilty 100 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: in the court of public opinion as soon as they 101 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: were accused. Another reason is because the judges, likely acting 102 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: on their own bias, allowed spectral evidence in the court proceedings. 103 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: According to the Library of Congress, spectral evidence was testimony 104 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: in which witnesses claimed that the accused appeared to them 105 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: and did them harm in a dream or a vision. 106 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: Contemporary witch lore held that witches could project themselves spiritually, 107 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: either directly or with the aid of Satan, in order 108 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: to harm their victims from afar. The witches victims might 109 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: then see a spectral image of the witch approached them. 110 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: As an apparition, the specter of the witch could pinch, bite, 111 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: or choke its victims, or otherwise harass them. While the 112 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: witch remained in a remote location, its appearance might be 113 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: that of the witch or of an animal acting asked 114 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: the witches familiar. The court could then use the witnesses 115 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: testimony of these events to support a conviction for witchcraft 116 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: in the majority of the allegations against them. More than 117 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: two hundred people accused during the Salem witch hysteria. Accusers 118 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: reported spectral evidence in their claims, so essentially, a nine 119 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: year old kid could have a nightmare about a scary 120 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: dog and an innocent person could be accused of using 121 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: black magic against them. According to the Library of Congress, 122 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: the accusers called out in fright and spoke wildly during 123 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: the questioning of the accused, as though they were witnessing 124 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: spectral goings on that were invisible to other people in 125 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: the courtroom. When John Proctor was being investigated for witchcraft, 126 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: his accusers submitted spectral evidence against him. Samuel Paris, again 127 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: the father and uncle of the accusers, kept notes throughout 128 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: the trials which are now called the Salem Witchcraft Papers 129 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: and were transcribed by the University of Virginia. According to 130 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: the testimony Paris recorded on April fourth, sixteen ninety two, 131 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Abigail Williams accused Proctor and his wife of harassing her 132 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: in the night. As Paris wrote, Abigail Williams complained of 133 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: Goodman Proctor and cried out, what are you come to? 134 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: You can pinch as well as your wife. At night 135 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: she complained of Goodman Proctor again and beat upon her 136 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: breast and cried he pinched her. In the courtroom, Abigail 137 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: and Mary Warren repeatedly accused Proctor of appearing spectrally, including 138 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: on the lap of the magistrate. Paris wrote that Abigail 139 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: was seized with fits and had to pause her testimony. 140 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: At the same time, Mary was unresponsive. Paris described her 141 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: as deaf and dumb, but still continuing her knitting when 142 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: she came to. She agreed with Abigail that Proctor was 143 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: appearing spectrally in the courtroom, and later claimed that she 144 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: was being choked by him. It's also worth noting that 145 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: at the time of the witch hysteria, Harris was wildly 146 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: unpopular as the town's minister, a massive public scandal involving 147 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: accusations of the devil's work. A foot in the salem 148 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: would have been a perfect an extremely convenient way to 149 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: redirect the town's disapproval and reaffirm his position in the community, 150 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: just saying, Both Procters were convicted in August sixteen ninety two. 151 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: John was sentenced to death, but Elizabeth received a stay 152 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: of execution because she was pregnant. John Procter was hanged 153 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: on August sixteenth, sixteen ninety two, at Gallows Hill. On 154 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: the same day, Reverend George Burrows, Martha Carrier, George Jacobs, 155 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: and John Willard were also executed. It's not known definitively 156 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: what happened to Procter's remains, but historians suspect family members 157 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: may have retrieved his body from Gallows Hill in the night. 158 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: On the History of Massachusetts blog Rebecca Brooks speculates that 159 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: his body was buried near where the present day John 160 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: Procter House stands. When the wife of Massachusetts Bay Colony 161 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: Governor Phipps was accused of witchcraft, he issued a general 162 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: order of dissolve the remaining one hundred and fifty three 163 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: people who had been arrested or convicted of witchcraft. Elizabeth 164 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: Proctor was exonerated in May sixteen ninety three. When all 165 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: was said and done, nineteen people and bizarrely, two dogs 166 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: accused of witchcraft had been executed. Elizabeth remarried in sixteen 167 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: ninety nine. After Procter's death, the land he at least 168 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: went to another tenant, but two of John's sons fought 169 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: to regain the land. Benjamin leased the land from a tenant, 170 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: and in seventeen hundred Thorndyke Proctor purchased the farm outright. 171 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: Rebecca Brooks suggests that the location of Procter's remains might 172 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: have been a motivating factor in the family reclaiming the land. 173 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: As she wrote, it makes one wonder why Proctor's sons 174 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: went to such great lengths to occupy and buy the land. 175 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: Perhaps it was just a good investment, seeing that farm 176 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: land was so valuable at the time, or maybe it 177 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: was so the family could continue to farm the land 178 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: and they had worked on for so long. It is 179 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: also entirely possible, though, that the reason Thorndyke wanted the 180 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: land was because Procter was in fact secretly buried somewhere 181 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: on the Downing Farm, and Thorndyke wanted to keep that 182 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: secret gray from being discovered. Despite its name, the John 183 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: Procter House was never actually lived in by John Procter. 184 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: In fact, the house didn't even exist in his lifetime. 185 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: A study by an archeological conservator dated construction to about 186 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: seventeen twenty seven, thirty years after Procter was hanged, and 187 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: records in the Peabody Historical Society confirmed that construction date. 188 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: In Thorndyke Procter's accounting book, there are entries for a 189 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: significant amount of construction supplies. The only building still standing 190 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: in Salem today that has any connections to the witch 191 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: trials is the Jonathan Corwyn House today also called the 192 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: Salem Witch House. Along with Judge John Hawthorne, Judge Corwyn 193 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: presided over the trials, hearing the testimony of those leveling 194 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: accusations at their fellow townsfolk, and the testimony of the 195 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: accused who were desperate to clear their names and avoid 196 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: being put to death for supernatural crimes. Now the house 197 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: is part of the Salem Witch Museum and is open 198 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: for tours. The John Procter House remained in the Procter 199 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: family for about one hundred and fifty years until it 200 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: was sold to someone outside the family. After that, Rebecca 201 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: Brooks wrote, the house changed owners only a number of times. 202 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty eight, the Rapponi family purchased the home 203 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: and owned it until Marion Rapponi died in twenty eighteen. 204 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: In December twenty eighteen, Barbara Bridgewater and her husband, Christopher 205 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: Mendes of Huntington Beach, California, bought the house. Unlike other 206 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: notorious and well known landmarks in Salem that are now 207 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: open to the public, the Procter House is a private residence. 208 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: It has been modified over the years. Now, the thirty 209 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: nine hundred square foot house has two stories with six bedrooms, 210 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: seven fireplaces, a swimming pool, and only two bathrooms. Although 211 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: you can't visit the house now, the owners are crowdsourcing 212 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: enough funds to be able to open the Proctor House 213 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: for tours. Barbara and her family don't spend as much 214 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: time at the house as they want to because of 215 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: the paranormal activity they report experiencing there. Unhaunted Salem Live 216 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: Adam and I investigated the home with Chip Coffee and 217 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: Dana and Greg Newkirk. On the show, Barbara described some 218 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: of the activities she's witnessed, saying, I've heard footsteps above 219 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: and a piano playing which is downstairs, but it's just 220 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: sitting there. They've also heard voices and seen shadows in 221 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: the house. Her daughter, Katherine Mendez, has experienced recurring nosebleeds 222 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: in the home and has even been pushed down the stairs. 223 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: As she said, it's just kind of scary thinking that 224 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: there's something else that's in the house with us. During 225 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: the investigation, we collected multiple EVPs, some unintelligible, but all 226 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: clearly the voice of a gruff male. Dana, who often 227 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: uses tarot cards as an investigative tool, repeatedly pulled the 228 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: devil card, which could mean the literal devil, but also 229 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: could indicate a person with bad intentions present. We sensed 230 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: a menacing present and the name we kept coming back 231 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: to was Giles Corey. Corey was the man executed during 232 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: the witch trials by being pressed to death. He refused 233 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: to enter a plea In an attempt to coerce one 234 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: out of him. Authorities tortured him by placing heavy stones 235 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: on his prone body. They added more and more weight 236 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: for three days until Corey eventually died. Some historic accounts 237 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: have his last words as more weight in defiance of 238 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: those who tortured him. Other accounts have Corey uttering a 239 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: much darker final thought, damn you, I curse you and Salem. 240 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: Because that investigation was on a live television show, we 241 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: couldn't investigate as thoroughly as we wanted, So Adam and I, 242 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: along with Gregg, Dana, and Chip, went back the next 243 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: year for an episode of Kindred Spirits. What happened seems unbelievable. 244 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: Dana did another terror reading and again she kept pulling 245 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: the devil card sooom. It indicated the presence of a 246 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: dark entity in the house, but as we investigated, we 247 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: couldn't make contact with anything that seemed to have ill intent. 248 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: Eventually we realized that it was generations of Procter's relatives 249 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: who had lived in the house for more than a 250 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: century we were contacting. They saw us come in with 251 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: our tarot cards and our rituals and our investigative equipment, 252 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: talking loudly about witchcraft, and what we realized astonished us. 253 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: The spirits in the house, having lived with the burden 254 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: of a legacy of witchcraft, accusations for their whole lives. 255 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Were scared of us. They thought we were coming in 256 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: and doing the devil's work, and they were protecting the 257 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: home as best they could. Once we explained to them 258 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: that we were there with good intentions and we're trying 259 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: to help, the conversation completely changed, but that does not 260 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: mean the activity has ceased. And so to talk more 261 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: about that, I had to bring on my bff once again, 262 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: mister Adambury. He's been investigating the Procter House outside of 263 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: television for quite a while and he's got some really 264 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: interesting stories and theories to tell, So that's coming up 265 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: after the break. It would not be a Proctor House 266 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: chat if I did not bring on mister Adam Berry, 267 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: who has spent a lot of time at the Proctor 268 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: House investigating. I have been there for a lot of it, 269 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: but he's also been investigating it on his own quite 270 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: a bit, and not a lot of people get to 271 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: go in there and do those things. So welcome to 272 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: the program, mister Barry, thank you, thank you. I'm a 273 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: very lucky bird. I think it's to go in there 274 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: and hang out with all these ghosts. It's funny because 275 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: since we did the Proctor House. I have moved into 276 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: a house that was built right around the same time 277 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: as the Proctor House in seventeen thirty, and whenever I 278 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: post photos or videos, people are always like, it looks 279 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: like the Proctor House and I'm like, yes, except it's 280 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: not haunted, unfortunately, but it's got really history. It's funny 281 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: because it does remind me a lot of the Proctor House, 282 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: minus the ghost. I wish my house was haunted, but 283 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: no Proctor House has it going on. So we've had 284 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: some pretty wild experiences there over the years. Let's get 285 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: right down to it. Most unnerving thing that has ever 286 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: happened is, you know, when Dana Knew Kirk, who is 287 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: helping us on those investigations, like it's doing her taro 288 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: spread just to like, you know, we want to feel 289 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: the vibe. You and I are like up for a 290 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: lot of different ideas, and he flips the devil card 291 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: how many times? Like five times over the course of 292 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: two investigations. Yes, and the crazy thing. So we investigated 293 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: the Proctor House on live television like one does. Yes, 294 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: it was the Haunted Salem Live special that Travel Channel 295 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: did a few years back, and it was a really 296 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: cool idea. So basically, the the concept was that we 297 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: were investigating the Proctor House. It was me Adam, Chip 298 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: and Greg and Dana were there, and then there was 299 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: the jail nearby, which I believe the Ghost brothers were in, 300 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: and then Jack and Katrie, Jack Osborne and Katrina Wide 301 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: Men they were in another location. I can't remember where 302 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: they were exactly Rockefellers. Oh right, it's like a restaurant. 303 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: So we were all investigating simultaneously around Salem and it 304 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 1: was a really cool special But what we did created 305 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: a sigil on live television to kind of create like 306 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: more activity. I think what was the sigil? What did 307 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: it stand for? Like open a door? Yeah, this is 308 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: a doorway. First and foremost, we fought for that location. 309 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: When this idea came up and was pitched to us, 310 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: we were like, this sounds awesome. We love Salem. But 311 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: they told us three locations and you and I both 312 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: immediately were like, no, we have to do the Proctor House. 313 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: Not only did it fit our vibe like it fits 314 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: the Kindred Spirits vibe, but me personally, I think the 315 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: history and that location and on that land is like 316 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: way more interesting than you know an old restaurant right, 317 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: so that out of the way, we knew that we 318 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: had to do something special. We got Greg and Data involved, 319 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: and I think Greg said something like, you know, why 320 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: don't we make a sigil that is a doorway to 321 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: the other side, and we're gonna put it on live television. 322 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: We'll tell everybody to kind of focus and concentrate on 323 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: this sigil and we will see what happens in the 324 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: investigation because we only had what three hours three and 325 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: a half hours to investigate on live television, so we 326 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: needed something that would charge the environment immediately and be 327 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: careful what you wish for, as they say, you know, seriously, 328 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: I think we work a lot with the idea of 329 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: intention and energy and kind of bringing things about, and 330 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: that was an ultimate experiment for us. We were like, 331 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: this could go a couple of ways, and hopefully we're 332 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: entertaining enough that if it doesn't work, we'll just keep 333 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: people happy on live TV. But I think it did 334 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: raise the activity in the house quite a bit, and 335 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: also we had people complaining at home that the sigil 336 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: was causing activity in their houses, Like, don't know that 337 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: that's ever happened before. People come to us all the 338 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: time and they're like, I think somebody tweeted us the 339 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 1: other day because our episodes are airing, and they were like, 340 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: be careful watching these ghost shows. A ghost will come 341 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: through your television and get you. And I was like, look, 342 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: that's never happened. And then I was thinking, but on 343 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: live television, when there's an actual live investigation. There were 344 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: I think there were about a million people online looking 345 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: at that sigil at one point, and people were saying 346 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: their lights were flickering, static was going off, weird feelings, 347 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: had to like get out of their living room and 348 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: come back. And I remember toward the end of that investigation, 349 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: because we could hear the live feed from the truck, 350 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: like the producers talking and they were really adamant. They 351 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: were like they were like, Okay, we're gonna film you 352 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: guys closing the sigul, but we're gonna show it during 353 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: the credits. And we were like no, no, no no, no, no, 354 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: you have to show it live on TV. Everyone has 355 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: to see that we've closed the sigil, that everything is fine, 356 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: that you are fine, otherwise the world may explode. Yeah. 357 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: I remember like the host Dave Schrader was hosting, and 358 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: they had they sent him like a last minute like 359 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: script where they were like talk about closing the sigel, 360 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: show them closing the sigel, Like to close it, we 361 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: had to turn it upside down and then fun fact, 362 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: Adam stole the sigil after that and took it home. 363 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: I think I had it for a while and then 364 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: it just never made it back to Greg and Dana 365 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: for a period of time, and I can't what's weird 366 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: is I don't know if that was just like me 367 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: being lazy, probably or if there was something about it 368 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: that I was drawn to and I kind of wanted 369 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: to keep it for a little bit because that thing 370 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: is literally charged by millions of people and the intention 371 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: behind it. But it was good that I had it 372 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: because when we went back to the Proctor House on 373 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: our own to kind of figure out what was going 374 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: on from our point of view, because we only had 375 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: three hours on live television, and I know that Barbara, 376 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: who owns the property, was adamant about getting us in 377 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: there for a real investigation, and so we went back. 378 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: I'm glad I had it because we were able to 379 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: utilize that sigil again on the second investigation. Yeah, so basically, 380 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: once she kind of got to know us and saw 381 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: how we investigated. She really wanted us to come back 382 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: and give the Proctor House the full Kindred Spirits treatment, 383 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: as they say, And so we did. And now I'll 384 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: have you speak to this more just because I feel 385 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: like you kind of are more familiar with the activity 386 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: because you do go there like at least every six months. 387 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: At this point, Adam runs like private investigations there, So 388 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: if anybody's interested, we'll find out about that at the 389 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: end here. But just tell me, like, what kind of 390 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: activity do you remember was she experiencing that made her 391 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: think like, okay, we need to get Kindred involved here. 392 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: It's the same sort of activity that she had talked 393 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: about when we were there for four hours. But as 394 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: you know, in a four hour investigation, we can only 395 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: do so much. And the activity that we had was 396 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: rather intense. We thought at that point Giles Corey was 397 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: there or his ghost was there, and he was manipulating 398 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: the situation. He was lying to us, taking advantage, and 399 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: I think, you know, Barbara really appreciated us getting those 400 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: kind of answers. But when you're left with like that 401 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: on the table, it's almost a bit more frightening because 402 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: you're like, wait, there's this ghost in this house that's 403 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: like being manipulative and mean, and so for her, she 404 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: wanted us to come back and finish the job, and 405 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: so did we. I mean, I felt like we had 406 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: unfinished business with that location. And so we all got 407 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: back together and it was you, me, Greg, and Dana 408 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: came again, and sure enough, we started with those tarot 409 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: cards and she split that double card two more times, 410 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: and we were very concerned about I mean, god, we 411 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: were just concerned about the whole situation. And spoiler alert, 412 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: obviously we're going to talk about the end of that investigation. 413 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: It turned out that the spirits there were concerned about 414 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: what we were doing because what we are doing gave 415 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: them the impression of witchcraft and the occults and things 416 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: like using tarot cards, and they were just afraid that 417 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: they were going to get caught again and be brought 418 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: up to trial. I mean, it was it was literally 419 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: this weird memory that they could not shake, and rightly so, 420 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: and we were the problem, like you know, they were 421 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: not the problem. It was us. People ask us about 422 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: tarot cards all the time, like why are you bringing 423 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: tarot cards into investigations? And we obviously you and I 424 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: will try anything at this point when it comes to investigating, Like, 425 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: we really like to experiment. And you know, the idea 426 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: behind tarot cards is that they are kind of a 427 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: divination type tool and like some people look at them 428 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: as ways to provide insight into their lives. So maybe 429 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: you're just trying to get a little guidance on an investigation, 430 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, why not bring a tarot reading into the mix. 431 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: And so that's that's kind of what our intention was 432 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: with that to begin with, and it just really resonated 433 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: with that location in particular. So yeah, and I think 434 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: what's interesting is, you know, we figured out what it 435 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: was right and we had a heart to heart with 436 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: them and the act. By the end, the activity had 437 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: changed because we let them know that it is a 438 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: different year, is a different time period. We respect their boundaries, 439 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: we understand where they're coming from. We obviously don't mean 440 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: any harm, but they're safe. Like that was the key. 441 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: I think, you know you're safe. And since going back there, 442 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: like I I was there in October, So Salem in 443 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: October is like so charged with all kinds of really 444 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: wonderful things. And if you've never been to Salem in October. 445 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: You've got to get there, just because the feeling of 446 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: the location is so powerful. And what's interesting is the 447 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: first two nights, so we did a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. 448 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: The first two nights it was the same sort of activity. 449 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: We were using the paranormal trip wires and we had 450 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: our little lanterns out and there was so much activity 451 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: and they understood what we were doing at that time. 452 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: They weren't afraid of us. And I actually have that 453 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Salem Witch Trials document from sixteen ninety four signed by 454 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: Samuel Parris, who was the you know, the gentleman that 455 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: kicked off the whole fury of the witches. And so 456 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: I brought that book and I brought that document and 457 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: what's interesting is they didn't care about it. They did 458 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: not care for it. They did not react to it. 459 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: We got we were getting activity, and then as soon 460 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: as I brought that document out, it almost like stopped. 461 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: So maybe they did care and they were like, nope, 462 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: they didn't want to touch it, they didn't want to 463 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: interact with it. But on Sunday, the activity was a 464 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: one eighty Sunday it was quieter, it seemed a little 465 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: more peaceful. Less talkative, less activity with the lights, and 466 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: I was like, this is so weird. I don't understand 467 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: why this is happening. And then I realized that it 468 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: was the Sabbath, right, I was going to say, because 469 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: it was Sunday, right, And so it's like they're they're 470 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: occupied with other things and maybe you know they don't 471 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: they don't have time to mess with us, lay this 472 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: their day of rest, and so I thought that was 473 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: really strange. But it seems now that you know they 474 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: are interacting, they do want to speak with us. I 475 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,479 Speaker 1: think a couple of times whatever was in the attic 476 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: that we did not get to touch on, there's like 477 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: this weird male energy in the attic. He started making 478 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: himself known a bit more. And I don't think he's 479 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: connected to the Procter family at all. I think he's, 480 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, somebody who existed at some point and just 481 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: is a bit angry and aggressive. But he started coming 482 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: out of the woodworks. So you know, there's always there's 483 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: things changing constantly there and I can't wait to go back, 484 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: going back at the end of April of twenty twenty three, 485 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: and then again probably in the fall. So I think 486 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: that it's really easy to forget that. You know, the 487 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: Proctor House has three hundred years of history to it 488 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: and so a lot of people have lived there. And 489 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: then I also wonder too, and what I wonder what 490 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: you think about this just kind of that they're not 491 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: there all the time, Like, obviously the place is very secured, 492 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: so please nobody go try to break in there or anything. 493 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: But it's not their primary residence, so it's empty and 494 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: like the ghosts kind of own it for a lot 495 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: of the time. So do you get the vibe that 496 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: when you go in there and you do your investigations, 497 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: do you feel like they are like, hey, we like 498 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: being alone, or do you think they kind of welcome 499 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: the interaction. I think it's a mixed bag. I think 500 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: there is an entity. I forgot to mention it. We 501 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: didn't even go down into the second basement. So there's 502 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: like that cellar area that we went to and investigate it, 503 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: But then there's one that's right next to the main 504 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: bathroom entrance that you sort of have to duck down 505 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: and go under. There was something down there messing with 506 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: everybody last time, and it was as if they enjoyed 507 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: the idea that like, oh, look, I can do this. 508 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: The guy in the attic does not want anything to 509 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: do with us, makes himself known in that way, meaning 510 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: that like he's saying, you know, okay, you're here, but 511 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you anything. I don't want 512 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: to talk to you. I don't anything to do with you. 513 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: And then I think the family we speak to that 514 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: we've gone there. I think they are there and it 515 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: is their house, and I don't necessarily believe that they're 516 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: fully aware and active, but just like we did, we 517 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: sort of conjured them into the space, you know, in 518 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: a weird way. And I think they can be called 519 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: to that house their energy or their their whatever that is. 520 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: I think that they show up if they are asked 521 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: to and if you ask them the right appropriate questions. 522 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: We just need to say this here and now because 523 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: people say to us all the time the John Procter 524 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: House isn't in Salem. We're very aware of that. It's 525 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: in Peabody, right, Peabody, Or if you don't live in 526 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: New England, that's Peabody. It's so much easier to say 527 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: Salem because people know where Salem is. I know, and 528 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: it's very steeped in Salem history. And so there are 529 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: people who come at us all the time about that, 530 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: and like we're very aware. We're just trying to make 531 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: it easier for you, dear listener. The connections are very big. Like, 532 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: even though the Procter family lived as far as they 533 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: did from Salem, they had to go into Salem for trial, 534 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: Like they were connected to Salem no matter what. So 535 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: even though it's been three hundred years and now it's 536 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: Peabody and you know, things have changed in terms of 537 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: like lines of cities, they still were extremely active in 538 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: Salem and they were tried and prosecuted in Sale. Right, 539 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: thinking to like what are the most common occurrences there, 540 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: Like if someone's investigating, like I kind of envisioned that 541 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: one day the Proctor House might even turn into like 542 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: some sort of museum or something. I don't know, but 543 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I think will happen eventually. But 544 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: if someone's visiting the Procter House, either with you or privately, 545 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: what kind of activity can they expect to experience there? 546 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna get interaction. Spirits are going to interact with 547 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: your equipment, but not as a as a circus trick, 548 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: like you have to give them conversation. You have to 549 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,239 Speaker 1: spark conversation and give them something worth talking about. You 550 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: have to know your history, you have to know you 551 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: know who you're speaking to, because at this point, I 552 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: think they are aware that we know that they are there. 553 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: So if you go and saying, oh, what's your name, 554 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: They're not going to answer you because you know it's 555 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: to them. They're like, you should know my name. I've 556 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: talked too many times. So that's the kind of activity 557 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: you're going to get. Now. The new activity is strange. 558 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: In the attic and we were doing the STS method 559 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: where you wear the blindfold, the and the headphones, and 560 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: our friend Amanda was there and she literally was getting 561 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: hit on by this creepy dude in the attic because 562 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: I was listening to the headphones and I kept saying, 563 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. I want you to 564 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: do it. And then I took my headphones down. I 565 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: was like, who, who's asking the questions? And they were 566 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: like Amanda, and I was like, Amanda here, and so 567 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: she like she was like okay, and she puts on 568 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: the headphones and sits there for a minute and then 569 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: she was like, yep, creepy dude. Oh that's so funny. 570 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so creepy dude in the attic. Check yeah, check, 571 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: creepy dude in the attic. And also he doesn't mind 572 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: being creepy to everybody. It's an equal opportunity. Yeah, this 573 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: guy is an equal opportunist. I think he likes se 574 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: mess with everybody. So the next time we go, when 575 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: we get there in April, I think I'm going to 576 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: focus a bit more in that attic space. We got 577 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: a lot of activity down in the fireplace where you 578 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: would just kind of sit and have a where you 579 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: would commune. I guess that seemed to be a lot 580 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: of the family, the families in the first floor and 581 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: then the attic in the basement, people that really aren't 582 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: the original family are kind of hanging out there. I 583 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: do remember having We got a lot of EVP there. 584 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: We heard a disembodied voice at one point upstairs, and 585 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: that was kind of when we first started investigating. Like 586 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: what's interesting about that place is no one had really 587 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: investigated it until we got there. And I always I'm 588 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: always so interested in kind of like what the vibe 589 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 1: is in a location, like when you come in as 590 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: kind of the first time investigators acknowledging these spirits versus 591 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: like coming in to a place that's been investigated regularly, 592 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: and it really does kind of dictate how you approach 593 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: the investigation and how you communicate with the spirits there. 594 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: So I think that's really useful information for people who 595 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: want to investigate. So if people do want to join you, 596 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: you're going back in October, right, Yeah, We're going to 597 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: do one other time closer to the spooky season. But 598 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: if anybody wants any information, they can go to ghost 599 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: hunt Salem dot com. I love those. I love that 600 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: you do those. Those kind of intimate investigations. I think 601 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: are really great because I think people I don't think 602 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: they realize how approachable we are. It's so funny because 603 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: sometimes we do these big, major events and these conventions 604 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: where there's like hundreds of people there, and those are 605 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: so much fun, like yeah, strange escapes, strange escapes, like 606 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: you cannot be a Strange Escapes party on a Friday 607 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: night in a lecture is an investigation, it's like so 608 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: much fun. But when we get to do these more 609 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: intimate moments, like there are twelve people at the Parker 610 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: House with me and I'm going to be there with 611 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: you the whole time and we're going to talk about ghosts. 612 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: It's like it's it's a very unique experience. And the 613 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: last time we were there the Peabody Police Department, they 614 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: were like they kept being like, Okay, what are you doing? 615 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: What's happening there? That called me to check in? And 616 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: really I just think they wanted to like come and 617 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: like hang out. So people don't realize how often like 618 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: law enforcement shows up at our investigations and it's never 619 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: because we're doing anything wrong. Especially in some of these 620 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: more sleepy towns. They're just like, so we heard you 621 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,959 Speaker 1: guys are looking for ghosts here, and they're just they're 622 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: asking questions like they just wanted to. I've been pulled 623 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: over before and it was all because they just wanted 624 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: to know how the investigation went. So I love that. Listen, 625 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: if they're going to pull you over, they can have 626 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: instant access to what has happened anyways. All right, So 627 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: anything else on the horizon you want to tell people about. 628 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously watch Kindred Spirits on Discovery Plus and 629 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: Travel Channel even if new episodes aren't airing. Just keep 630 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: watching over and over again. Please do Yeah, please watch 631 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: Gary Spirits. Come see us at Strange Escapes, Come see 632 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: us at another event. I know that you and I 633 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: are working on a lot of really great projects. On 634 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: the side, I have a book coming out in September 635 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: that people can get excited about. I'll be posting, so 636 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: follow me on the internet. All right, Well, thank you, 637 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: mister Barry. It's been lovely as always. I miss you 638 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: and we'll hang out soon. Yeah, thank you. Toxing the 639 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: Propter House presents such a strange conundrum when it comes 640 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: to paranormal cases. I don't truly feel like the spirits 641 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: in the house are wholly conscious beings. I think it's 642 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: that bit of their energy and stress of what they 643 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: endured that was so reactionary to our investigative methods. It 644 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: makes you wonder how many hauntings aren't necessarily a person 645 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: regretful or not ready to move on, but just energy 646 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: awakened by something we did that was completely unintentional. It 647 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: just lends more and more to the mystery of all 648 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: things ghostly and another prime example of why I do 649 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: what I do. But it also makes me wonder how 650 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: much energy we all put out there, and how much 651 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,919 Speaker 1: attention we should be paying to it. We have more 652 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: power than we think, power that can apparently span centuries. 653 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road 654 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with additional 655 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: research by Taylor Haggerdorn and Cassandra day Alba. This show 656 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: is edited and produced by Rima l Kaali, with supervising 657 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: producer Josh Thane and executive producers Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, 658 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. Haunted Road is a production of iHeartRadio, 659 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: Grimm and Mild from Aaron Manke. Learn more about this 660 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: show over at Grimm and Mild dot com, and for 661 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 662 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.