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Speaker 1: My emotions are running high. We have some you know,

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Speaker 1: breaking news. We're doing a very special episode of the

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Speaker 1: Renee Steps podcast. It's midsummer. It's a good chance to

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Speaker 1: check in anyway. You and I saw each other at

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Speaker 1: the City Open a few days ago, where you were

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Speaker 1: the all around MC, the voice of God. We can

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Speaker 1: get into all of that. Let's start with the news.

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Speaker 1: You want to fill everybody in who might not have

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Speaker 1: seen all over social media what's going on today.

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Speaker 3: Well, if anyone is not have a television on or

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Speaker 2: So Reena Williams By.

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Speaker 3: Put out a which I thought was spectacular, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Deal with at times as professional athletes, retirement. So us

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Speaker 2: Open will be her swollen song. She hasn't said that's

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Speaker 3: Right, No, this is going to take up the air

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Speaker 3: Like I've already had people that said, oh, I was

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Speaker 1: potentially presage Venus's retirement.

437
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Speaker 3: I think that it would very much surprise me if

438
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Speaker 3: Venus wasn't and doesn't retire as well at the US Open.

439
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 4: But what's really that's quite a thing to say.

440
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, I'm gonna go on the record and say

441
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if it happens as well.

442
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 2: And I don't know anything. I haven't spoken to Venus

443
00:20:59,400 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: about it.

444
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: I did speak to Serena last week and you know

445
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: you could tell it was it was just becoming too

446
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 3: much for her, you know, just the focus on tennis,

447
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: the practice, the traveling, the you name it, whatever it was.

448
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: You know, she wants to have another kid. It's a lot,

449
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 3: and she loves loves, loves of course Olympia and and

450
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 3: wants to spend as much time with her. And you know, Caitlin,

451
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, as a mom, like you just can't don't want,

452
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 3: you don't want to miss those little things.

453
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 2: And it's difficult because the kids want your attention, and

454
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 2: you know, it's hard when you're a superstar playing tennis

455
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: to give you a kid all that attention. So sure,

456
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 2: I think that's that's definitely weighing on her as well.

457
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: So let's talk about, if it's possible, what else is

458
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: happening in the centers world. Because we've had a couple

459
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 1: of really interesting tournaments, Like we mentioned you were down

460
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Speaker 1: in DC. We had a tremendous when double crown Nick

461
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 1: Curious winning both the singles and the doubles. He was

462
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: the defending champion of the singles. Break didn't he win

463
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: it the last time?

464
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: It was no, no, no, That was the women's. No.

465
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 2: He actually came to DC last year and didn't do

466
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Speaker 2: it as well. I think he might've been lost in

467
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: the first round. But this year he came back unbelievable.

468
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, like.

469
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 3: The match with Francis Tiafo is probably one of the

470
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: most entertaining fun matches I've watched in a long long time.

471
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: The atmosphere in DC, and I got to give a

472
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 3: lot of kudos, Caitlin. You came down to Mark Iron,

473
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 3: the tournament owner, and the city for you know, the

474
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 3: sponsorship and efforts, so they're putting in to make this

475
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 3: tournament better.

476
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: And the parks obviously in Washington, what do they call it,

477
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 2: Washington Park?

478
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is It's? Rock City Park, Rock Creek Park

479
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: Tennis Center something like that.

480
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Rock Creek Park Tenni Center where they started

481
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: this tournament and fifty something years ago. And it was

482
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 3: the first time in the history of the actual tournament

483
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 3: that somebody's won the singles and the doubles in the

484
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 3: I believe in the men's. I'm not sure about the women's,

485
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: but definitely in the men. So a great effort from Nick.

486
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 3: I mean, he played every night match, so he's there

487
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 3: late every day, you know, and he went out a

488
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: couple of times and played doubles late, so he had

489
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 3: you know, we had a lot of rain, a couple

490
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: of rain delays that really, and the heat was crazy hot.

491
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: But Nick, I don't know, Caitlin, like after this Wimbledon run,

492
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: he just seems to have there's a light.

493
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 2: That's flicked for me inside. Now he's still gonna be nuts.

494
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 3: He's still going to be yelling at his box, and

495
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: that's his way of letting go of emotions, there's no

496
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 3: question about it. But there's something that to me that

497
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 3: has clicked that he understands that his time is running

498
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 3: out in some way. Even though these guys are playing

499
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: into their mid thirties, he doesn't seem like a type

500
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: of guy that wants to play in his mid to

501
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: late thirties.

502
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: And I think he's.

503
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 3: Always played with a bit of fear of failure, and

504
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 3: so he's always had that sort of in my opinion,

505
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: like an not excuses, but like just that Ah, I don't.

506
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: Really care, you know, I don't really.

507
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: It's protective and instincked to sort of be the cool guy,

508
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: so he doesn't have to be the try hard who gets.

509
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 2: His feeling exactly exactly.

510
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: That's a tough guy in maneuver. It's very transparent.

511
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 3: Hey, and listen, I've known plenty that have done it

512
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: in their career, except some of them do it in

513
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 3: a very quiet way, so they sort of look like

514
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: they're tanking, you know, you know, and they're like not trying.

515
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 3: You think about someone like a Benoi Pere. I mean,

516
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: it looks pretty obvious when he's tanking, but the guy cares,

517
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I know, I brought that.

518
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: Up because he's your favorite, but like.

519
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: Nick, to me, looked like last week that he actually

520
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: was really trying to win that tournament and he really

521
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: put his head down there.

522
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: Look, you lost your shit a couple of times. You've

523
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: probably acted like a.

524
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 3: Bit of a bit of a ding dong in the

525
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: tiebreak against Francis, so that wasn't cool serving when the

526
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: crowd was going crazy, and I think Francis was pretty.

527
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: Pissed about that. But the overall picture is that he really,

528
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: really bloody tried and he really was acting very very

529
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: good last week in DC, and he won the singles

530
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: and the doubles, and I think once you start to win,

531
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: you start to realize what you're actually capable of doing

532
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: week to week to week.

533
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: And most of us have been waiting for, which is

534
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: not that he necessarily wins, just that he like plays

535
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: the kind of tennis we know he can play on

536
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: a more regular basis, and by the way, usually that

537
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: means he's gonna win, right, Like, everybody knows that he's

538
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: incredibly talented. So it's really really, honestly sort of surprising

539
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: because I was a little bit underwhelmed by his women

540
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: of performance. I thought he took himself out of the

541
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: match before the match. He started with all of his

542
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: like glad handing and sort of deciding that he'd made

543
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: it far enough, you know, Whereas usually he would have

544
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: been petty and talking shit and then really trying to

545
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: take the fight to Novak in a way that I

546
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: didn't think he just kind of turned up to do,

547
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: Whereas coming off that he's you're right, really had some

548
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: blazing fire. He's got like the best record on the

549
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: men's tour right now. He's had a great summer so far,

550
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: and it's really exciting to sort of see him playing well.

551
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: So I'm really popped. I'm here for it.

552
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: It'll be interested to seeing how he handles playing in Montreal. Geez.

553
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: I think it's almost a bit shocked that he went,

554
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: but we're going to see how he handles that, because

555
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: that's a tough back up.

556
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, really really terrific effort from him.

557
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: And yeah, there was something else I wanted to say

558
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 3: about him, but I mean think overall, this is just

559
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 3: a player that I think his life is in a

560
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 3: good place as far as you know, he's the people

561
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: around him. He's spoken about that ad nauseum, and we'll.

562
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: See where it goes.

563
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: We'll see where that court case goes in Australia to

564
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: I don't know that what is happening with that, but

565
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: certainly that's got to be playing on his mind to

566
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 3: a certain degree. But I want to give kudos to

567
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: Yoshi Nishioka who lost in the final there, who just

568
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: battled through every match he was down and out and

569
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: I think every match that he played except finally losing

570
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: the final. But you know, he made me cry in

571
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 3: the trophy presentation because he said, you know, he had

572
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: his words were my start of my year was a nightmare,

573
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: and he was contemplating retiring because he wasn't having results

574
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: and so to see him get to the final and

575
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 3: have that result there and play the tennis that he did,

576
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: it so fun to watch.

577
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: It was so nice.

578
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: And again, like you know, when you hear a tennis

579
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: player and I've been there, like say those scenes, you

580
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 3: know how hard it is to keep dragging yourself out

581
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: of those holes.

582
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: So to see him finally like you know, have some

583
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: have a great result. And he was loved all week.

584
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: He probably for the Washington castles, as did Nick Kurios,

585
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: you know, and World Team Tennis, so they love him

586
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: there and it was really nice to see him.

587
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: Have such a terrific week.

588
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: Also, my girl kaya Kinneppi like making another final sadly

589
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: came a little bit short against Ludmini sam Sonova, but

590
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: just you know, battling all week long, and it was

591
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: an amazing tournament.

592
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: Really yeah, and I know you wat Druss. I mean

593
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: they had great players. I watched a lot of rube

594
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: Lev matches I saw as a rank of the player.

595
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they had a really good field. Obviously, the

596
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: mens was a little bit bigger in terms of prize

597
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: money and points at a five hundred versus the women's

598
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: two fifty, but massive kudos to Mark and to that

599
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: staff and to that venue. They really really keep improving

600
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: it every year, and I know they work really really

601
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: hard to get the kind of field and to get

602
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: the kind of like fan experience that they've been working

603
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: on getting. So like, I'm so so so happy I've

604
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: lived in I lived in DC for a little bit

605
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: in my twenties when I worked at the Washington Post.

606
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: And seeing I used to play at those courtses my

607
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: like local records for like six dollars an hour, you know,

608
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: after work, and seeing it turned into this like massive

609
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: success has been really cool to watch, just because you know,

610
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: I have a bit of a personal connection with it,

611
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: and I know you do too. I mean you've played

612
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: for a World teath Tennis there and you know been

613
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: going to DC for years.

614
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, No, I love DC. It's literally one

615
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: of my favorite cities. And some people, like you know, Ozzie's,

616
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: are like where should I go in the US, And

617
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, go here, go here, go to Washington.

618
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: They're like really, And I'm like, oh my god, you

619
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: got to go to Washington, d C.

620
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

621
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: It's such a great city, and you obviously have so

622
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 3: much to see there and learn about the history of

623
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: the United States and so yeah, and as I said,

624
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: it's beautiful Leafy city and awesome. I want to switch

625
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: gears a little bit, Caitlin and talk about I know,

626
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: also one of your favorites, Daria Casakina, came out.

627
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: Let's just talk about this for a second. Came out.

628
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, those of us in the tennis

629
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: world knew about her life, but she came out officially

630
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: and you know, let everybody know that she was in

631
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: a relationship with a woman, that she was living this

632
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: life and that you know, being Russian and how difficult

633
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: it is, and YadA, YadA, YadA. And then since doing that,

634
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: this is the first tournament back because of course she

635
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 3: had the band at Wimbledon, which I know you were

636
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 3: such a fan.

637
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: Of, and.

638
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: Comes out and wins the tournament out in the Bank

639
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: of the No the mu Butler event out in the

640
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: West Coast in San Jose, and kudos to dash Up

641
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: because what an awesome, awesome, awesome tournament and for her

642
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: to come out and then win the next tournament, yes girl,

643
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: you go, queen for.

644
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: Sure, I am. I mean, obviously it speaks to the

645
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: power of being you know, at peace with yourself and

646
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: feeling like you're playing free. I don't think this was

647
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: necessarily a secret as much as just something that she

648
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: hadn't really discussed too much before. But it really really

649
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: goes without saying. And a lot of her sort of

650
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: conversation about coming out for me was about how it

651
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: felt being Russian and her issues with the government, feeling suppressed,

652
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: feeling oppressed, and you know, I think, honestly like not

653
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Speaker 1: to bring to reinterrogate our Wimbledon critique, but again, like

654
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Speaker 1: part of my issue with it was these players aren't

655
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Speaker 1: necessarily being treated well or supporting the government at all,

656
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Speaker 1: and her comments that she made while being interviewed when

657
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Speaker 1: she was being you know, training in Barcelona sort of

658
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Speaker 1: indicated as much. And so to me it was more like, Wow,

659
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Speaker 1: this is cool and great under any circumstances. But this

660
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Speaker 1: actually makes it very brave, not because coming out necessarily

661
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Speaker 1: is inherently brave, although sometimes it is, but really because

662
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Speaker 1: coming out as a political person in the context of

663
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Speaker 1: you know, as a Russian, where presumably a lot of

664
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Speaker 1: her family, her money, her you know, connections, still resides.

665
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Speaker 1: So for me, like the fact that she had an

666
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Speaker 1: immediately huge result. I mean that's a big tournament with

667
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Speaker 1: a lot of points, a lot of money, and you know,

668
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Speaker 1: it was a huge feel. Osaka played that, Golf played that,

669
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Speaker 1: Maria Sakari played that like they had a fun of

670
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: great players in that field, right, Like that's no small shakes.

671
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: So I hope you know, Dash is always fun to

672
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Speaker 1: watch because she has all the tools, and she's fun

673
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Speaker 1: and you know, improvises on the court and you really

674
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Speaker 1: do get the sense that she's like a fun, cool person,

675
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Speaker 1: which I'm sure you can speak to. And so seeing

676
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Speaker 1: her play her kind of tennis and succeed at it,

677
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Speaker 1: while also you know, coming off the back of you know,

678
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: a pretty intense summer is cool. Like that's a cool,

679
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Speaker 1: cool thing to see happen. And obviously we're big fans

680
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Speaker 1: and you know, support her.

681
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Speaker 3: And she's had a tough couple of years to be

682
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: she hasn't played at her best and she's believe, almost

683
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Speaker 3: up into the inside the top one ten I believe,

684
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Speaker 3: so it's just great to have a back being where

685
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Speaker 3: she belongs. She's such a great player, such an all

686
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Speaker 3: round player. So Desha, way to go, well done.

687
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Speaker 1: And I also ask two questions, because I have two

688
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: things I want to talk about before we should wrap

689
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Speaker 1: this up and let people get their teeth into our

690
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Speaker 1: Newsy podcast here, which is nameo Sokka. What can you say?

691
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Speaker 3: I know, I mean, it's actually what I was going

692
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Speaker 3: to talk to you about. So I don't know what's

693
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Speaker 3: going on there, Caitlin. I mean, obviously, look she's gotten

694
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Speaker 3: rid of her coach, or her coach left her. I

695
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: don't know how what happened there, but you know, has

696
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Speaker 3: her dad back as the coach for San Jose, So

697
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Speaker 3: maybe she just wants the familiarity of him and you know,

698
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Speaker 3: not having.

699
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Speaker 2: The stress or pressure. I don't know.

700
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Speaker 3: And then she throws out that text, that tweet about

701
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Speaker 3: I wish my parents are rich so I didn't essentially

702
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Speaker 3: have to support anybody.

703
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: And look, your guess is as good as mine. I mean,

704
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Speaker 2: this kid is so up and down.

705
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Speaker 3: And you know, to put something out like that on Twitter,

706
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Speaker 3: it's just absolutely crazy. Obviously took it down rather quickly,

707
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: but unfortunately for her, she's a multi you know, she

708
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: has millions of fans, and someone would have taken a

709
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Speaker 3: screenshot and they did, and they put it out and

710
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 3: they said, what the hell's this.

711
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Speaker 2: So she's inevitably.

712
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Speaker 3: Going to be asked that question again, which is crazy

713
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: because one of the things she hates doing.

714
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Speaker 2: Is talking to the press when they start asking your.

715
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Speaker 3: Tough questions, and this is going to be a tough question,

716
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Speaker 3: and this is going to be a question. It's not

717
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Speaker 3: going to let her. I mean, if I'm a journalist

718
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Speaker 3: in the realm, I'm not going to not ask her

719
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Speaker 3: about this. And then people are going to say, oh,

720
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Speaker 3: you know, look, you don't need to ask and me, me,

721
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Speaker 3: including I was one that said, like, you've got to

722
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Speaker 3: protect the.

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Speaker 2: Players a little bit.

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Speaker 3: You don't need to ask them these crazy questions. But mate,

725
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Speaker 3: you put it out there like you open the door.

726
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Speaker 3: So what do you expect you know, journalists and people

727
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Speaker 3: in tennis to do. I mean, that was just bonkers.

728
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Speaker 3: So look, she's playing in Candada this week. We'll see

729
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Speaker 3: how she goes. She's got a tough first round, you know,

730
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Speaker 3: and if she doesn't get through it, I just I

731
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Speaker 3: don't know, it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I hope, obviously, I hope for her sake

734
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Speaker 1: and mental health and all the you know, uh, well being,

735
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Speaker 1: you gotta hope she's she's doing okay. I thought she

736
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Speaker 1: looked okay against Coco Gov. Not bad, not like fantastic.

737
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Speaker 1: But you know, obviously you know what she's capable of doing,

738
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Speaker 1: and you want her to feel healthy and happy. I

739
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Speaker 1: also do wonder what she's up to in terms of

740
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Speaker 1: working on that stuff, you know, because I think we

741
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Speaker 1: and myself included, and you know, obviously going to bat

742
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Speaker 1: for a woman, especially a woman of color, who maybe

743
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Speaker 1: gets asked or pushed in directions you don't want to,

744
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Speaker 1: you know, take for granted what that must feel like

745
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Speaker 1: and make it, you know, all about well, it's your job.

746
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Speaker 1: It's not your job to get abused while you are

747
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Speaker 1: at a place of work. And we know that the

748
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Speaker 1: makeup of some of those rooms is overwhelmingly male and

749
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Speaker 1: old and not necessarily very sort of read in on

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Speaker 1: what you know, a modern sports conversation. On the other hand,

751
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Speaker 1: as you said, if you talk about some maybe what

752
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: could be interpreted as dirty laundry and this is part

753
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Speaker 1: of your sporting persona. And also not to mention the

754
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Speaker 1: fact that you're minting money off the court for all

755
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: these sponsors. But on the court, it's a struggle. It

756
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: does it naturally leads to some questions, and so I'm

757
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: not going to say that those are not fair game.

758
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: Is it unfair to bully this person? Is it fair

759
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: to ask questions, especially if these are topics she's bringing up?

760
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: Absolutely right, I mean that's part of the job, especially

761
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Speaker 1: if you're going to mint money off of the court,

762
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Speaker 1: trading on your persona and your sort of you know, image,

763
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Speaker 1: And so I think there's some nuance here. But I

764
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Speaker 1: hope obviously she's in a good place. That's not necessarily

765
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Speaker 1: what the signals. But you know, who.

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Speaker 3: Knows, Yeah, exactly who knows. Like I said, we'll see

767
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: what happens in Canada. But you know, speaking of bullying,

768
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Speaker 3: and I mean, look me, you know me, I get

769
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Speaker 3: on a bit of a Twitter rant sometimes and some

770
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Speaker 3: of these people on Twitter that just like, for example,

771
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Speaker 3: I was on Twitter the last few days sort of

772
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Speaker 3: going back and forth with this complete wanka.

773
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Speaker 2: It's always a guy most most of the time, not always.

774
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Speaker 2: But you know about about Emma Ratikanu and not.

775
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Speaker 3: Having this success and you know, she's a has been

776
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Speaker 3: and she's all lucky and it's like the girl got

777
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Speaker 3: through qualifying the US Open and won the grant won

778
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Speaker 3: the US Open.

779
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: Now, did she beat Serena and Azarenka.

780
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Speaker 3: And you know, Naomi and Coco Goff and all these

781
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: players to win the No, but she beat who she

782
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Speaker 3: could beat to win the tournament.

783
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Speaker 2: You cannot blame her for that situation.

784
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: No, you win seven matches, you win the US Open.

785
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: No, No, she won ten matches. She won ten fucking matches. Okay,

786
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 2: she fucking won ten. Okay, so listen, she won ten?

787
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Speaker 2: Was it her fault? No? She just won the tournament. Like,

788
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Speaker 2: give her a break. She's nineteen, you know, Okay.

789
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Speaker 3: Igishfiontech has had a phenomenal career since winning the French Open,

790
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: but she also had some ups and downs.

791
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: She lost to day against Camilla Georgie. Camilla Georgie can

792
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: beat anybody on any given day and everybody.

793
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: Like twice in one year's time, like she's she's a joy.

794
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: So okay.

795
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: And she lost last week to sam Sonova, who, by

796
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Speaker 3: the way, won the tour and she probably should have

797
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: won the first set at least seventy six. So look,

798
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: is she having some losses, yes, But is it a

799
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: shock to everybody?

800
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 4: No?

801
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: But why why do people feel the need to just

802
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: bash this kid, I don't get it, Like, is your

803
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: life that pathetic that you feel the need to go

804
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: onto Twitter and just like ram it in people's face

805
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: as how she's just a one hit wonder, like get like,

806
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: get ah, just help me out here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think so. Actually, what I was going

808
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: to say about Radacona because I was watching that Georgia

809
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: match earlier today and I also watched her in DC.

810
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: She's looking pretty good. I mean, listen, I am not

811
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Speaker 1: one of the people, and I know you're not either,

812
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: because you actually know Tennis who was saying like, okay, well,

813
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: now that she's won a US Open, like she's going

814
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: to win, do nothing but winning. That's not how it goes,

815
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Speaker 1: especially for somebody who's young and had earlier than average success.

816
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: If you watch her play, she's competing, she's improving, her

817
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: body's figuring out how to not grow blisters on blisters.

818
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: Although that seems to be like you know, probably one

819
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: of her biggest struggles, to be honest, is just getting

820
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: herself used to the ins and outs of the tour.

821
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Speaker 1: This is her first year on tour. So I have

822
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Speaker 1: absolutely no patience for anybody who has anything other than

823
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Speaker 1: you know, if this girl was bombing out in the

824
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: first round of literally every tournament chantered. Then it'd be

825
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: one thing. It's another to sort of say, like, hey,

826
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Speaker 1: this girl is currently a top ten player, honestly probably

827
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Speaker 1: is playing like a more of a top twenty thirty player.

828
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: That's still great, and let's give her a little bit

829
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Speaker 1: of breathing room to continue to develop her game.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Leah Fernandez has had a pretty horrendous year. She granted

832
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Speaker 1: got injured and had to miss a whole bunch of tournaments,

833
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: But because she didn't win the tournament, I think she's

834
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: certainly benefited from a lot more sort of like flying

835
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Speaker 1: under the radar expectations. And so I think part of

836
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Speaker 1: I don't want to defend like online wanker ship at

837
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Speaker 1: all because I've been in the middle of some fun

838
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: online conflagrations in the last couple of days. I didn't

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Speaker 1: even think that was going to, you know, trigger any

840
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: sort of or response. To be honest, I thought that

841
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: was pretty mild. But here we are. So but I

842
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: will say I think part of what sometimes the backlash

843
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: comes from these athletes. I'm not saying it's deserved, but

844
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: when they are marketed and sold a certain way, when

845
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 1: every single endorsement and every single commercial and every single

846
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: poster and every single brand all of a sudden gets

847
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: behind a player, there is this feeling of expectation around them.

848
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Speaker 1: Not everyone is good about delivering on that, And what

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Speaker 1: I would love to see frankly from agents and from

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00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: people in charge of the young, especially young women, but

851
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: young players who are just getting their footing is don't

852
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: sell them as much as you might want to, because

853
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: trust that the process is going to give them more

854
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: chances for exposure. And I think part of it builds

855
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: in this expectation where it's a foregone conclusion that they're

856
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: going to be in every final, when their faces are

857
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: plastered over every single thing, right, And I know that

858
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: that must be I know that zero agents are going

859
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: to listen to that and think that's a good idea.

860
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: I should do that. But I do ultimately think that

861
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: that's going along with creating a longevity and a career

862
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: that's a little bit healthier, like we see a lot

863
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: of these players. Kaya Kneppy's a great example somebody who's

864
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: never been at the center of the spotlight but has

865
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Speaker 1: had a long career, been a giant slayer and been

866
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Speaker 1: you know, relatively healthy and well adjusted because she hasn't

867
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Speaker 1: had like a mountain of expectations.

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Speaker 2: On her back. You know.

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Speaker 1: You hear a lot of people talk about that as

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Speaker 1: part of the issue, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: it has to do with brands and sponsors and obligations.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just you know, time, it's it's what

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Speaker 1: people feel like they're entitled from you if they see

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Speaker 1: you on the covers of buses around the city.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying commercialism is bad in tennis,

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Speaker 1: but I do think agents should be thoughtful about how

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Speaker 1: that can create expectations and maybe create some brand partnerships

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Speaker 1: that aren't going to require as much, you know, and

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Speaker 1: potentially take a toll on somebody. I think I keep

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Speaker 1: coming back to Naomi. They've done every single deal laid

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Speaker 1: in front of them. She's everywhere, She's got twenty patches

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Speaker 1: on she's selling NFTs, there's a salad named after her. Great,

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Speaker 1: she's the highest paid female athlete. On the other hand,

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Speaker 1: it's not coming and commasure it with her success, and

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Speaker 1: now all of all she's playing for is the brands.

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Speaker 1: It feels like I hope that's not true, but I

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Speaker 1: think it does kind of create something. So look, nobody's

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Speaker 1: gonna be more eager to kick a wanker online more

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Speaker 1: than me. But I do think there's something about the

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Speaker 1: way the game is sort of sold and talked about

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Speaker 1: that could protect these players a little bit more than just,

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Speaker 1: you know, having better social media, you know, tools to

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Speaker 1: block complete trolls, which we should also have by the way, well.

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Speaker 2: I mean trolls are trolls. The trolls. I mean.

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Speaker 3: I had one lady last week. She was very upset

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Speaker 3: at me because I had the audacity to interview Emma

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Speaker 3: Radikanu after a two set match that lost it almost

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Speaker 3: three hours in very very hot heat in Washington, that

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Speaker 3: I didn't allow her to get a drink of water

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Speaker 3: before her interview. Now, I said, listen, I don't have

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Speaker 3: control of the paper. I don't have control over the players.

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Speaker 3: If they want to sit there for five minutes and

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Speaker 3: drink or water before they come to me, they can.

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Speaker 3: If they want to say I'm not doing the interview today,

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Speaker 3: they can. If they want to come walking over to

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Speaker 3: me immediately, they can.

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Speaker 2: They do whatever they want. And that's what she did.

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Speaker 3: She literally clapped her opponent off the court, which is

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Speaker 3: really lovely Camilla Osadi or who I adore, and walk

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Speaker 3: straight over to me, which I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: well you're not even going to go sit down and

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Speaker 3: get a drink?

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Speaker 2: All right, That's fine, you know, and.

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Speaker 3: You know the Twitter hate for not allowing it to

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Speaker 3: get so, you know, these people that see the home

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Speaker 3: on their couches and think that they know so much

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Speaker 3: is so friggin annoying.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, that's my that's my rant about that.

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Speaker 3: And for those of you that don't appreciate what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: or me on Twitter can not follow me.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, that's a great place to end it, because I

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Speaker 1: that was surprisingly gentle for Renee Stubs talking about a

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Speaker 1: topic that I know makes her nuts. All Right, let's

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Speaker 1: get this out so we can continue the Serena dialogue.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you talking about things that are both Severena

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Speaker 1: related and Serena unrelated, because we have a lot of

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Speaker 1: great tennis ahead of us, and we have some amazing events.

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Speaker 1: If you would like to be invited to some of

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Speaker 1: these events, as people from our podcast, listenership and newsletter

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Speaker 1: often find themselves, you need to listen to the podcast.

932
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: You need to read it on Apple iTunes. We know

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Speaker 1: who you are, and you need to subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: Racket newsletter because I can promise you there are some

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Speaker 1: things worth traveling to New York that we have up

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Speaker 1: our sleeves and you're not going to want to mess them.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think something on top of some building here

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Speaker 3: in New York City is going to be quite spectacular.

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Speaker 3: And Caitlin, I know that Racket. You know we love

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Speaker 3: putting on a party. We love putting on a good party,

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Speaker 3: but most importantly, we love tennis as much as anybody does.

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Speaker 2: And we cannot wait for this party. And we also

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Speaker 2: cannot wait for the US Open.

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Speaker 3: Of course, we've got the end of the tournaments in

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Speaker 3: Toronto and Montreal, roll hometown, and of course we have

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati like next week, and then another couple of smaller

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Speaker 3: tournaments leading up to the US Open, And of course

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Speaker 3: it is going to be the farewell to the Great,

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Speaker 3: the one, the only suren wayamsh

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