1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 3: We begin with the latest developments on the war in 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 3: the Middle East. Fighting between Israel and Hamas rages on 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: in Gaza's second largest city. This as UN Secretary General 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 3: Antonio Guteras dramatically escalates his call for a ceasefire. Guterra's 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 3: has written to the UN Security Council over the issue, 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: invoking a rarely used power. Here's this, spokesman Stefan Dujerik. 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 4: In the letter, which has been shared with you, the 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 4: Secretary General urges the members of the Security Council to 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 4: press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe, and he appeals for 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 4: a humanitarian ceasefire. 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 5: To be declared. 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: This is the first time a UN Secretary General has 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 3: used this power since the nineteen seventies. 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Nathan, there is more fallout from the Capitol Hill 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: testimony of three university presidents. Hedge Fund Titans, politicians and 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: business leaders are railing against the leaders of Harvard, MIT 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: and the University of Pennsylvania for refusing to say the 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: calling for the genocide of Jews is against school policy. 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 6: Bloomberg's Amy Morris reports. 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 7: Pfizer CEO Albert Burlow took to X formerly Twitter to 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 7: say he was ashamed to hear the university president's testimony, 25 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 7: calling it one of the most despicable moments in the 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 7: history of US academia. Investor Bill Ackman, who called on 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 7: his alma mater, Harvard to do more to protect Jewish students, 28 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 7: posted on X quote they all must resign in disgrace. 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 7: Penn President Liz McGill issued a video statement to clarify 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 7: her testimony. 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 8: For decades, under multiple Penn presidents and consistent with most universities, 32 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 8: Penn's policies have been guided by the Constitution, in the law. 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 8: In today's world, where we are seeing signs of hate 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 8: proliferating across our campus in our world, these policies need 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 8: to be clarified and evaluated. 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 7: Harvard President doctor Claudine Gay issued a statement clarifying the 37 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 7: university has a staunch position against calls for violence against 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 7: the Jewish community. The critics say she should have said 39 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 7: that while she was on Capitol Hill. Amymore as Bloomberg. 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: Radio, Okamie, thank you, there are new developments this morning 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: in the war in Ukraine from here in the US, 42 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 3: the Senate has failed to get the votes to try 43 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 3: to pass aid for the country, and Bloomberg's Ed Baxter 44 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: has the latest. 45 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 9: It's back to the drawing board, not even making it 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 9: for a floor vote with the issue border funding for 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 9: the GOP. President Biden says they have to get something done. 48 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 10: This cannot wait. Congress needs to pass supplemental funding for 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 10: Ukraine before they break for the holiday. Resource as simple 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 10: as that, Frank, I think is stunning that we've gotten 51 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 10: to this point in the first place. 52 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 9: Now the US Heasship more aid to Ukraine, but says 53 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 9: it could be the last without more funding. Ed Baxter, Bloomberg. 54 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: Radio, all right, and thank you. Now let's get to 55 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 2: the latest in the presidential race. The fourth Republican debate 56 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: was held last night in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, and with frontrunner 57 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: Donald Trump off this stage, the remaining candidates trained much 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: of their fire on Nikki, mainly who's been gaining in 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: the polls. Vivek Ramaswami went after the former UN ambassador 60 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: over her ties to Wall Street. Larry Think, the king 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: of the Woke Industrial Complex, the ESG movement, the CEO 62 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: of Blackrock, the most powerful company in the world now supporting. 63 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: Nicki Haley and to say that doesn't affect her. 64 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: As false, and Hailey defended her record. 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 11: Look, we will take support from anybody we can take 66 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 11: support from. 67 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 12: But I have been a conservative fighter all my life. 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: Along with Hailey and Ramaswami, Florida Governor Rondez Santis and 69 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: former New Jersey Governor Chris Christi also took part in 70 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: the debate hosted by News Nation. The first votes in 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: this race will be cast in Iowa in less than 72 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: six weeks. 73 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: Turning back to Wall Street, Karen, leaders of the nation's 74 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: biggest banks appeared on Capitol Hill for the Senate Banking 75 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: Committee's annual Wall Street Oversight hearing. JP Morgan Chase CEO 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: Jamie diamond told lawmakers he would shudder the crypto industry 77 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: if he had their power. 78 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 13: I've always been deeply opposed to crypto at coin etc. 79 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 13: You pointed out going true use case for it criminals, 80 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 13: drug traffickers, anti money learning, tax avoidance, and that is 81 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 13: a use case. If I were the government's I close 82 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 13: it down. 83 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: Jamie Diamonds remarks, ad to his long history of bashing 84 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: digital currencies, He's previously called them Ponzi schemes and a fraud. 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 2: Well Nathan evaluation for Elon Musk SpaceX bless into orbit, 86 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: and we get the details from Bloombergy's John Tucker John. 87 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 14: Karen Is share a Salefer SpaceX would value the company 88 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 14: at at least one hundred and seventy five billion dollars. 89 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 14: SpaceX is considering offering shares at about ninety five dollars apiece. 90 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 14: The potential valuation would position SpaceX among the world's most 91 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 14: valuable companies, surpassing Comcast and Disney. It's number one in 92 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 14: the space race. In the first nine months of the year, 93 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 14: SpaceX made sixty nine orbital launches. Of SpaceX is on 94 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 14: track to book revenues of about nine billion dollars this year, 95 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 14: with sales projected to rise to around fifteen billion next year. 96 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 14: John Tucker, Bloomberg. 97 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: Radio, Thanks John. Turning overseas, China and EU officials are 98 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: whole their first in person summit in four years in Beijing, 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 3: and we get more from Bloomberg's Jill Lisis in Taiwan. 100 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 15: What they ultimately talked about was really sort of strengthening 101 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 15: this idea of the trade partnership. We've gotten to read 102 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 15: out from state media in China, saying that she was 103 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 15: really emphasizing this idea of China being willing to be 104 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 15: a key trade and economic partner for the EU. They 105 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 15: were talking about they need to work on political trusts, 106 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 15: this idea of mutually beneficial cooperation. 107 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Jill Lisis says the meeting lasted only one day. 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: And Nathan the European Union is nearing a deal on 109 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: what's foised to become the most comprehensive regulation of artificial 110 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: intelligence in the Western world. Negotiators are still hammering out 111 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: the final details, but sources say delegates agree to a 112 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: set of controls for generative artificial intelligence tools such as 113 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: open ais Chat, GPT and Google's barred. And it's time 114 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 2: now for a look at some of the other stories 115 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: making news around the world. For that were joined by 116 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Amy Morris, Samy goodmane. 117 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 7: Good Morning Karen. More than six hundred mass shootings in 118 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 7: the US so far this year twenty twenty three, now 119 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 7: on pace to be a record year for gun violence, 120 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 7: and three people are dead in the shooting at UNLV. 121 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 7: Sheriff Kevin McHale of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police said 122 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 7: that shooting originated on the fourth floor of a building 123 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 7: on campus, and the unnamed suspect was killed by an 124 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 7: officer at the scene. 125 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: They hadn't been for the heroic actions of one of 126 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: those police officers who responded, it could have been countless 127 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: additional lives taken. 128 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 7: At least say they know the identity of the suspect, 129 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 7: they're not releasing his name until after they notify next 130 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 7: to ken, survivors of gun violence, victims, families, and lawmakers 131 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 7: gathered at Saint Mark's Episcopal Church in Washington, d c. 132 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 7: For the eleventh annual National Vigil for All Victims of 133 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 7: gun violence. Among those speaking at the vigil Senator Chris 134 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 7: Murphy from Connecticut, we. 135 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 16: Are here heartbroken by the fact that we continue to 136 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 16: need to assemble, but we also have to be here 137 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 16: booie by the fact that this is no longer a 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 16: leap of faith. We have built a movement that will sustain, 139 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 16: that will continue to win, and we have proven that 140 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 16: when we build that movement and when we win, we 141 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 16: save lives. 142 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 7: The vigil was organized by the Newtown Action Alliance Foundation 143 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 7: and held ahead of next Thursday's anniversary of the twenty 144 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 7: twelve Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. On Capitol Hill, Senate 145 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 7: Republicans are blocking a Democratic ban on assault style weapons. 146 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 7: Republican Senator John Barrasso blocked the motion, arguing that the 147 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 7: bill would label responsible gun owners as criminals. Capitol Hill 148 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 7: continues to see an exodus of lawmakers, with Farmer Speaker 149 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 7: Kevin McCarthy the latest to announce that he's stepping down. 150 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 7: Bloomberg's Nazzy Llons has more on the trend. 151 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 17: Terry Haynes with Pangaea Policy says, with Republicans Kevin McCarthy 152 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 17: and Patrick McHenry announcing their departures this week, those left 153 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 17: seem to have a particular bent, more. 154 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 14: Of the firebrands, more of the people who think it's 155 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 14: all about Team Red, Team Blue. 156 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 17: Former Congressman and former White House Chief of Steph mcmulvaney 157 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 17: says there could be more departures coming. 158 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 18: If you're a Republican who has a better offer right 159 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 18: now on the table, you are seriously considering it, looking 160 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 18: for a way to leave. 161 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 17: Mlvaney tells Bloomberg sound on from what he's hearing, it's 162 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 17: a toxic atmosphere now on Capitol Hill in Washington. 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The Padres in return yet pitcher Michael King, 182 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 19: three other young pitchers, and veteran catcher Kyle Higashioka. The 183 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 19: Yankees may have Soto for just the twenty twenty four season. 184 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 19: He's going to be a free agent after that. Eduardo Rodriguez, 185 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 19: the veteran lefty leaving Detroit. He signed a four year 186 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 19: deal with Arizona. Big fourteen of the NFL begins tonight. 187 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 19: The lowly struggling two to ten Patriots in Pittsburgh. Stealers 188 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 19: come off a bad home loss to Arizona, but they're 189 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 19: in it for a playoff spot. 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Good morning. 207 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 5: I'm Nathan hager Moll. 208 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 3: It's taken more than a decade, but it finally looks 209 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: like the first ever spot bitcoin ETFs will arrive in 210 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 3: the US soon. On the most recent episode of the 211 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Trillions podcast, Bloomberg's Joel Weber and Eric Balcuna spoke 212 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: with ARC Investment founder Kathy Wood. They discussed spot bitcoin 213 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 3: exchange traded funds, getting approval for them from the Securities 214 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: and Exchange Commission, and convincing crypto doubters like JP Morgan, Chase, CEO, 215 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: Jamie Diamond, and Senator Elizabeth Warren. So we want to 216 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: bring you part of that discussion right now. 217 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 18: You're still having to wrestle with a version of haters, right, 218 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 18: And I think the haters actually, for a while within 219 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 18: the last year and change kind of gained a little 220 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 18: bit of an upper hand with the carnage that came 221 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 18: out of the SBF fallout. So how do you wrestle 222 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 18: with that sentiment that still remains, which is like, there's 223 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 18: no point to this, why should I even bother? 224 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 12: So I'll start there. I had to defend what we 225 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 12: were doing throughout last year, so Tera Luna Celsius, three 226 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 12: arrows FTX, and when FTX blew up, I basically said, 227 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 12: and I think it's now clear that wait a minute, 228 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 12: this prove the value of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Bitcoin 229 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 12: completely transparent, decentralized, no counterparty risk, whereas FTX completely opaque, centralized, 230 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 12: and fraudulent. So that was the first step. But even 231 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 12: more provocative, I thought, was during the regional bank crisis 232 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 12: in March, as you pointed out earlier, Joel, bitcoin went 233 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 12: up fifty percent as the KRE the Regional Bank index 234 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 12: was imploding, an SVP and signature went under, and we 235 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 12: were able to say to our clients, wait a minute, 236 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 12: Bitcoin is not just a risk on asset. It is 237 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 12: now showing its stripes as a risk off asset when 238 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 12: there's a financial crisis and counterparty risk becomes a question, 239 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 12: because that is a question with the regional banks. 240 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 6: I think that. 241 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 12: Has gotten a lot of people's attention, as well as 242 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 12: others in the industry who were negative. And you're right, 243 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 12: it's so interesting to see Jamie Diamond and Elizabeth Warren 244 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 12: on the same side of the agreeing with each other. 245 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 12: Kind of what But someone like Larry Fink coming around 246 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 12: after years of focusing on the environmental issues that he 247 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 12: thought were a part of the bitcoin ecosystem. And you know, 248 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 12: I think one of the most important things that happened 249 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 12: actually happened five years ago when Cambridge Associates published its 250 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 12: first report on crypto and focused on bitcoin in particular 251 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 12: and basically said to its foundations and endowments, look, you 252 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 12: may not like this instrument, but you should get to 253 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 12: know as much as you possibly can about it, because 254 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 12: this seems like it's a new asset class with a 255 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 12: very low correlation of returns to other assets. And so 256 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 12: I think, but one by one, these points are I 257 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 12: think are hitting home, hitting a responsive cord, and I 258 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 12: do think the SEC coming around and blessing a bitcoin 259 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 12: spot ETF is going to check the box for a 260 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 12: lot of institutions. 261 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 18: Let's say that it approves. What happens to the price 262 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 18: of bitcoin when that headline moves that SEC has approved 263 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 18: a spot bitcoin product. 264 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 12: Some of it's happening right now, and. 265 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 5: There's this. 266 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 18: Room building for that moment. But what happens that moment? 267 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 12: Yeah, very often, very often you will get a sell 268 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 12: on the news because and I don't know where it 269 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 12: will go between now and then. And you could have 270 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 12: a sell on the news and you know you'll get 271 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 12: but maybe some week holders in kicking and screaming and 272 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 12: they may sell. But when you think we're at roughly 273 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 12: nineteen and a half million bitcoin outstanding and we're only 274 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 12: going to twenty one million, and I really do believe that, 275 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 12: knowing the core some of the core developers the way 276 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 12: I do, then I think this institutional push in will 277 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 12: be the biggest reason that our target, which the base 278 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 12: case is six hundred and fifty thousand and the bowl 279 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 12: case is one point five million. One of the reasons 280 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 12: that we have a shot that those numbers are close 281 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 12: to the mark is the institutional interest in a new 282 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 12: asset class. 283 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: And that was the founder of our investment management. Kathy 284 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 3: Wood speaking with Joel Weber and Eric Balchunis on the 285 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Trillions podcast downloaded on Apple, Spotify or wherever you 286 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: get your podcasts, and of course on the Bloomberg Business 287 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: app as well. Sticking with the tech space, Advanced micro 288 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: Devices has unveiled new so called accelerator chips that it 289 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: says will be able to run artificial intelligence software faster 290 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: than rival products. At a launch event in San Jose, California, 291 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: a m d's CEO Lisa Sue sat down with Bloomberg's 292 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: Ed Ludlow to explain the truth is. 293 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 11: We've all experienced over the last twelve months, this incredible revolution, 294 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 11: right you know, chat rept has has really changed the 295 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 11: way we think about what tech can do. And the 296 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 11: underlying capability of that is GPUs, and you know, very 297 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 11: very capable of GPUs. 298 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 6: You know, we made some. 299 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 11: Very very good decisions, you know a few years ago 300 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 11: about how to put together this technology, and that includes 301 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 11: both being very good for training, so training large models, 302 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 11: but also very good for answering questions or inference so 303 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 11: when you ask, you know, the chat rept a question, 304 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 11: it takes sometimes a little bit of time for it 305 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 11: to respond to an answer. 306 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 20: Some latency. 307 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 6: There's some latency there. 308 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 11: And you know we've found, you know, really a great 309 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 11: technological solution by adding you know, lots of high bandwidth 310 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 11: memory or memory capacity. 311 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 20: Fish and video will not have into H two hundred 312 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 20: second quarter of next year. 313 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 6: That is correct. 314 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 11: We are industry leaning, so you know, best in class 315 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 11: in terms of inference performance and. 316 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 20: What is the side by side lisa on training and 317 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 20: performance three hundred x versus H one hundred. 318 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 11: Yeah, so if you look at we showed some of 319 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 11: the benchmarks earlier today, if you look at training performance, 320 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 11: we're very very competitive. 321 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 6: Let's call it. You know, it's a toss up. 322 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 11: When you look at inference performance, we're one point four 323 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 11: to one point six times better. And you know what 324 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 11: that means is, you know, if you're running these models, 325 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 11: you can actually run more models, or you can run 326 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 11: larger models. You know, with I three hundred and right now, 327 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 11: you know the key. 328 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 6: To AI is GPU compute. 329 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 11: I mean that is absolutely what everybody says, and so 330 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 11: we're here to provide lots of GPU compute. 331 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 20: You've had the confidence to dramatically alter your your forecast 332 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 20: for this market for AI accelerators. You're saying a total 333 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 20: addressable market of four hundred billion US dollars in twenty 334 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 20: twenty seven. In August, just in August, you said it 335 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 20: was one hundred and fifty billion. 336 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 6: What has changed, Yeah, And you know, really the way we. 337 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 11: Look at these things is we usually look at these 338 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 11: things on an annual basis, and so you know, when 339 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 11: we were, you know, doing our plan for twenty twenty 340 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,959 Speaker 11: three and beyond last year, we thought that you know, 341 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 11: this year there would be about a thirty billion dollar 342 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 11: market and it would grow you know, fifty percent compound 343 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 11: annual growth rates, so be about one hundred and fifty 344 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 11: billion in twenty twenty seven, which frankly was very very large. 345 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 11: But what's changed is we can all see what's changed, right, 346 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 11: People need more compute. 347 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 6: They're installing more. 348 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 11: You know, the numbers for this year are probably closer 349 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 11: to forty five billion. And when we talked to customers, 350 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 11: when I spend time with our part partners, and what 351 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 11: they tell us is the technology. 352 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 6: Requires more compute. 353 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 11: And so we now believe the total market for this 354 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 11: it's upwards of four hundred billion and twenty twenty seven. 355 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 6: It's huge. 356 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 11: There's no one size fits all. They're going to be 357 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 11: multiple solutions. There are lots of good solutions out there today, 358 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 11: but we believe the AMD capability is very significant, and so. 359 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 6: We're excited about it. 360 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 20: It was interesting to see on stage how MI three 361 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 20: hundred x manifests itself in the real world, but you'd 362 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 20: already guided us that it will likely be the quickest 363 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 20: AMD product to one billion dollars. There were sections of 364 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 20: the market in the street that said your forecast of 365 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 20: two billion dollars of sales for MI I three hundred 366 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 20: x in twenty four was conservative. If you're saying that 367 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 20: the total addressable market by twenty twenty seven is now 368 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 20: four hundred billion, then is that two billion forecasts for 369 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 20: next year, specifically for MI I three hundred x conservative 370 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 20: as the market thinks it is, Well. 371 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 11: I think you'll have to take a step back and 372 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 11: just look at how this technology is evolving. So, you know, 373 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 11: we did update in our last conference call to an 374 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 11: expectation about two billion in twenty twenty four for our 375 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 11: data center GYPUS. It's a very early estimate, I would say, 376 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 11: you know, we have clear line of sight to that. 377 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 11: But you know, what people ask me is like there 378 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 11: is much more customer demand, definitely, and there's also significantly 379 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 11: more supply because we've had to prepare the supply chain 380 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 11: so that we're ready to ramp. 381 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 6: So we'll update as we go along. 382 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 11: You know, we are, you know, definitely on this path 383 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 11: to ramp m I three hundred, the fastest is anything's 384 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 11: ever ramped at AMD. And you know, I view this 385 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 11: as a multi year opportunity for US. 386 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 20: I mean, supply is a key question because when you 387 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 20: say about two billion dollars, about could mean less or 388 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 20: more than two billion dollars. But what is the state 389 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 20: of supply right now? Has it improved such that actually 390 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 20: you could exceed your expectations because you have visibility on 391 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 20: great volume of GPUs to hand over to customers. 392 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. 393 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 11: When we plan, we plan for success, and so our 394 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 11: planning has the capability to be significantly higher than two billion. 395 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 11: We have, you know, customer demand, you know, serve lots 396 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 11: and lots of interest for I three hundred, and I 397 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 11: think the key for us is, you know, one step 398 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 11: at a time. 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