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Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 4: And right now we're walking at Congressman Jamal Bowman.
Speaker 3: Of New York.
Speaker 5: You got to stop doing. You gotta stop doing before
Speaker 5: you put your shirt on. Then he got that, got
Speaker 5: that medium.
Speaker 4: He's literally join.
Speaker 2: Congressman.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, congress Yeah, we are so happy to have
Speaker 1: you with me at your.
Speaker 3: Congressman, as long as you in the House of.
Speaker 6: Congressman until he runs per Senate.
Speaker 2: A lot of.
Speaker 1: People, I do want to just say, Congress thank you.
Speaker 1: I know you're busy, and thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: I do just want to say, a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know a lot about your background, but you are
Speaker 1: a PhD. You have worked in education, you are married
Speaker 1: to an educator, and uh you know, sadly you lost
Speaker 1: your congressional bid. We talked about it on our show,
Speaker 1: but your background kind of got lost in that narrative.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious because you know, we're here at another
Speaker 1: historic Democratic national convention. There are protests out that were
Speaker 1: connected to a lot of the issues, why some arguably
Speaker 1: why you may have lost your district. What would you
Speaker 1: like to say to the Native Land Pod audience today?
Speaker 7: First of all, piece and love to you all. Really
Speaker 7: good to be here with you. I think this is
Speaker 7: the first time Angela has interviewed me on any platform.
Speaker 7: So great to be with Angela Baccari brother, Andrew, you
Speaker 7: and I go way back.
Speaker 2: Well, good to be with you all.
Speaker 7: And yes, education for twenty years before running for Congress,
Speaker 7: teacher guidance counselor middle school principal for ten years now,
Speaker 7: the PhD ed d in education leadership, especially education circles.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I ran because of my kids.
Speaker 7: I governed for the kids and families who have been
Speaker 7: marginalized and least loss and left behind. It was a
Speaker 7: great time in Congress. The work will continue for the
Speaker 7: rest of my life. We're all gonna fight for justice
Speaker 7: no matter what. And uh, Yeah, regarding the protests, you know,
Speaker 7: we're gonna continue to screen free Palestine. We're going to
Speaker 7: continue to talk about a foreign policy that's rooted in
Speaker 7: diplomacy and peace and self determination for all people no
Speaker 7: matter what. And uh, the work continues from the Bronx
Speaker 7: to Mount Vernon to you know, Gaza. We're gonna keep
Speaker 7: doing the work.
Speaker 5: We ask you for the personal question because one of
Speaker 5: the things that Andrew had to go through, I guess
Speaker 5: what year was that? Andrew eighteen year races twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: In twenty eighteen, he went through yesterday in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 5: I had to go through it. I ran for lieutenant governor,
Speaker 5: gave up my state house seed. Andrew gave up his
Speaker 5: mayoral seed, and ran and wasn't successful. We tried to
Speaker 5: trip away at the glass and now you're in this
Speaker 5: same phase. It kind of feels like you're in the
Speaker 5: wilderness for a minute because you've you've been attached to
Speaker 5: something for so long. But tell people who have not
Speaker 5: been there, you know, because a lot of times they
Speaker 5: see politicians win or lose, and they don't really know
Speaker 5: what it feels like to go through that when you're
Speaker 5: not on that high of winning, and what are you
Speaker 5: doing to help figure out what the next step is
Speaker 5: and how are you getting there? What's up, brother Ford,
Speaker 5: to determine, to determine what's next for you, that's a
Speaker 5: great question.
Speaker 7: First and foremost, rest, pray, meditate, spend time with my family.
Speaker 7: First and foremost. That's what I did for the first
Speaker 7: few weeks after the races are exhausting, as we all knowing, yes, exhausting,
Speaker 7: So just resting and spend time with my.
Speaker 6: Family when they spend time calling you something you're not well.
Speaker 7: More money spent against me than any congressional race in history,
Speaker 7: and so the ads were constant, the mailers were constant
Speaker 7: to tell it was really really crazy. So first and
Speaker 7: foremost rests. Secondly, quite honestly, I feel a sense of
Speaker 7: liberation after this loss, because it's not really you know,
Speaker 7: every loss is a learning experience, and I learned a
Speaker 7: lot in Congress for four years. I still have deep,
Speaker 7: great relationships in Congress. I'm going to continue to have
Speaker 7: those relationships. But you can have impact and do good
Speaker 7: work outside of Congress and in Congress sometimes, you know,
Speaker 7: I'm a little rough around the edges, so I would
Speaker 7: get myself in trouble every now and then in Congress.
Speaker 7: Now I feel like, Okay, I'm a private citizen who's
Speaker 7: still going to do everything I can to serve the
Speaker 7: people of my district or around the country and around
Speaker 7: the world.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you?
Speaker 4: Speaking of around the world, one of the things that
Speaker 4: Congressman Timeson just talked about when he was on is
Speaker 4: that in his district, the issue of Israel Palestine is
Speaker 4: like a number twenty because folks are just fifteen again,
Speaker 4: fifteen twenty out of fifteen. Okay, all right, So but
Speaker 4: my point is that he was saying that they are
Speaker 4: just on kitchen table issues and survival themselves.
Speaker 3: What do you say to folks who have taken this
Speaker 3: on as issue.
Speaker 4: Number one, right, and the folks who are seeing this
Speaker 4: huge gap of it being number twenty out of fifteen,
Speaker 4: how do we close that gap? Because there is so
Speaker 4: many similarities between these causes of oppression and fighting against
Speaker 4: it for liberation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it speaks to the diversity of our
Speaker 7: country and the diversity of our district. Like, depending where
Speaker 7: you are, it may not even be on the radar.
Speaker 7: At the same time, in my district it was very
Speaker 7: heavily on the radar, particularly on the other side in
Speaker 7: terms of when you look at the majority of Americans,
Speaker 7: the majority of American support a permanent ceasefire, but most
Speaker 7: some people, most people in my districtill vote against me,
Speaker 7: do not support that, And so it was a top
Speaker 7: issue my district for the kitchen table issue people in
Speaker 7: my district. The conversation around why are we saying spending
Speaker 7: four billion dollars a year to support the killing of
Speaker 7: women and children and civilians in Gaza when I'm struggling
Speaker 7: to pay my rent, I'm struggling to pay my mortgage,
Speaker 7: I'm struggling for childcare, I'm struggling to pay my utilities,
Speaker 7: I'm struggling to afford my day to day existence, and
Speaker 7: we're spending billions overseas to support war. So that's one
Speaker 7: way to bridge the gap. Secondly, and you know, we
Speaker 7: could debate this in different settings. Many people see our
Speaker 7: support of the state of Israel and the way Benjamin
Speaker 7: and Yahoo particular is behaving as supporting white supremacy, and
Speaker 7: that white supremacy is oppressive to black and brown people
Speaker 7: here all the time, whether you look at a Project
Speaker 7: twenty twenty five or even some of the Democrats policies
Speaker 7: historically tough on crime policies. White supremacy impacts us all
Speaker 7: impacts us in the justice system or injustice system, and
Speaker 7: the healthcare system, the education system, and housing, and it
Speaker 7: impacts us in our foreign policy. So those are a
Speaker 7: couple of ways we bridge a gap in our district.
Speaker 3: I love that through line.
Speaker 1: I think that makes so much sense, given though that
Speaker 1: there are you know, a significant amount of young people,
Speaker 1: especially who are protesting and pleading with Vice President Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: our president elect. I speak it into existence so to
Speaker 1: be president, yes, absolutely, given that there are people though,
Speaker 1: who are frustrated by the current administration's policy, President Biden,
Speaker 1: on President Biden's watch, the amount of fiscal support that
Speaker 1: has been given to Israel, What would you say to
Speaker 1: those young people, which I think is what Angela was
Speaker 1: alluding to, for those people who are making it their
Speaker 1: central issue, what is your piece of advice? Because it's
Speaker 1: not going to be better under a president.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, No, it's not.
Speaker 1: How can they continue to be heard, I guess by pressure,
Speaker 1: but also support this president because on Lea, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: starting to feel like you know, sometimes on the Palacinian side, Oh,
Speaker 1: black people are supporting white Supremacy's like time out.
Speaker 3: Don't let the old pressor know our community.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's that's one of the insidious aspects of
Speaker 7: white supremacy.
Speaker 2: It's constant divide and conquer.
Speaker 7: It's very challenging because I've met Palestinians who have lost
Speaker 7: twenty thirty, forty fifty members of their family right in
Speaker 7: Gaza because they all live together. So you bomb a building,
Speaker 7: you're killing generations of people. So it's going to remain
Speaker 7: a top issue for the Palastinian community. It's going to
Speaker 7: remain a top issue by extension, for the Muslim community,
Speaker 7: and for the Arab community, and for Middle Eastern communities,
Speaker 7: and so continue to speak up in protest as what
Speaker 7: our country is founded upon. But you also got to
Speaker 7: understand that when we talk about the fight against white supremacy,
Speaker 7: black people have always been.
Speaker 2: At the forefront of that fight will continue. Look at this, brother,
Speaker 2: here can you come up to.
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Speaker 4: I need to calm down. I always ready to have
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Speaker 3: Tiff is action orientated. Shut us. Tiff, with her.
Speaker 4: Ability to just think and problem solve, went over to
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Speaker 4: our cameras, can you hook us up? Roland's like, say less,
Speaker 4: he let us borrow some equipment so we can have
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Speaker 2: Y'all.
Speaker 4: We don't know what was going on.
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Speaker 1: Bro, I just want while we have you, though, I
Speaker 1: do want to seriously thank you because you know you,
Speaker 1: you and I as a journalist, how how important it
Speaker 1: is to not only have black faces, but black voices
Speaker 1: and the Black Star Network you carry things that are
Speaker 1: not carried. You know, Vice President Kamala Harris held a
Speaker 1: rally three million people watched online and the major networks
Speaker 1: did not carry her. There are so many things that.
Speaker 3: Happened, every single one. Yes, but even.
Speaker 1: Yes, your work in HBCUs, your endless love for Alpha
Speaker 1: Phi Alpha Fraternity Incorporated. Tell your frat brothers stop breaking
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Speaker 3: He's supposed to be honest.
Speaker 1: You will see you Wednesday, Governor will see you Wednesday.
Speaker 1: But Bro, I just want to thank you for that word,
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Speaker 3: And so if you don't watch Black Star Networks.
Speaker 9: Please I tell you blackout coverages being any time somebody
Speaker 9: black come on the stage, I'm like, okay, you about
Speaker 9: to stop talking back to the stage.
Speaker 5: So speaking of speaking of which, Kamala Harris on stage
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 3: No, she's not right now, you will see the mayor
Speaker 3: of Chicago.
Speaker 8: No, she is on stage.
Speaker 3: She's on stage. You're seeing different.
Speaker 4: Yours is probably delayed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you're watching it on Blackstar Network over here.
Speaker 8: Well, Car is not Car is a hater, but he's
Speaker 8: he's also not technically savvy.
Speaker 9: Not because there's a there's a live feed here the
Speaker 9: nine is center and if you're streaming it, there's a delay.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's somebody who's too has a flip phone.
Speaker 3: Yes, he said he got boost mobile.
Speaker 9: Yeah, all you can text the car is okay.
Speaker 11: I'm just making you please. Conversation subterranean over here.
Speaker 1: Well, if if you are tuning into US, I do
Speaker 1: want to say Roland is right. Vice President Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: is taking the stage right now. It looks like she
Speaker 1: seems to be welcoming people to the convention. It looks
Speaker 1: like she may have just shouted out the second Gentleman
Speaker 1: soon to be the first Gentleman, Doug M.
Speaker 3: Hoffcamera's pan to him. Uh, this is not her keynote.
Speaker 1: Speech, which we will hear of course Thursday, and please
Speaker 1: tune in a Native Land Pod live. We will be
Speaker 1: live on Thursday right before she speaks, so we'll be
Speaker 1: talking about all the primetime speakers. But yes, she is
Speaker 1: speaking right now, and tune in tomorrow because we will
Speaker 1: talk about some of her remarks.
Speaker 6: And isn't typical, uh, Tiffany, for the for the presidential
Speaker 6: to be here this early? But I think I think
Speaker 6: this is partly to her work in partnership with Joe Biden,
Speaker 6: President Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Her unique position as his vice president, but who he's
Speaker 1: passing the towards you, but also as the soon to
Speaker 1: be nominee officially the nominee for the Democratic national conventions.
Speaker 9: And let me say what you talk about, and I
Speaker 9: won't say ego less, but to be a sitting president
Speaker 9: come on and to say I'll speak on Monday and
Speaker 9: I'm gonna fly to Keller for an hour and you
Speaker 9: have the convention. Uh that Listen, we know president's got
Speaker 9: egos huge. He could have said, Yo, I'm speaking on Wednesday. No,
Speaker 9: he said I'll do Monday and then you have the
Speaker 9: way that's that's huge.
Speaker 4: Well, it was.
Speaker 6: Huge, Broland. I think you'd agree for the man to
Speaker 6: be the most powerful leader of the free world so
Speaker 6: far as we know it, and believe he could run
Speaker 6: and win, and to step back and say I don't
Speaker 6: want that fight. Our country doesn't need that fight right now,
Speaker 6: I said earlier, and I hope it'll be true this evening.
Speaker 6: The man out of get so much of an ovation
Speaker 6: this evening that oh yeah, there's not time for his
Speaker 6: remarks because our appreciation runs that deep for the sacrifice
Speaker 6: that he's made, not just at this moment but over
Speaker 6: the arc of his uh uh political career. Jamm curious
Speaker 6: if you have reflections on on on on the.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 9: I'm going to the floor, y'all got Omega coming up.
Speaker 9: That that's a big step down from Alpha.
Speaker 3: I appreciate appreciation.
Speaker 9: And Chris Chris Barry at I heeart, I'm gonna se
Speaker 9: you the in bush.
Speaker 4: Yes, that actually is warranted, Jamal, before you chime in here,
Speaker 4: I know this is something that's.
Speaker 2: Start to get you down.
Speaker 3: Stop it, shut up.
Speaker 4: That's near and dear to your heart, and that is
Speaker 4: the theme of this convention today is for the people.
Speaker 4: We know, of course, that was Kamala Harris's campaign slogan
Speaker 4: going into twenty twenty, but it's for the people for
Speaker 4: our future is a full campaign theme. So I just
Speaker 4: wanted to talk about that just briefly because we're seeing
Speaker 4: a lot of labor leaders, civil rights leaders who are
Speaker 4: coming up today. They're showing that huge tent that this
Speaker 4: party is supposed to to be. And again we know
Speaker 4: that there's still protests on the outside, but even those voices,
Speaker 4: the dissension is welcome.
Speaker 2: It's all welcome.
Speaker 7: And if we are for the people, we have to
Speaker 7: be for all the people, and we have.
Speaker 2: To be for equity, and we have to be for
Speaker 2: justice in all its forms.
Speaker 7: And for me to me, that means we have to
Speaker 7: be for universal childcare, universal pre K, paid leave for all. Finally,
Speaker 7: we're one of the only developed nations that does not
Speaker 7: have paid leave. We have to make sure we're investing
Speaker 7: in education, education, education, education, and can we please raise
Speaker 7: the damn federal minimum age? How about that year seven
Speaker 7: twenty five and hour was still And just to piggyback
Speaker 7: on that and talk a little bit about President Biden.
Speaker 7: So my first two years in Congress. We had control
Speaker 7: of the House and the Senate, and I felt like
Speaker 7: we was rocking and rolling.
Speaker 11: Man.
Speaker 2: We was getting things done.
Speaker 7: The American Rescue Plan, the Chips and Science Act, the
Speaker 7: Inflation Reduction Act, the Safer Communities Act, the bipartis and
Speaker 7: Infrastructure Bill. We were getting things done and it was incredible, active,
Speaker 7: and incredibly inspiring.
Speaker 2: Two years later, Republicans come in take control.
Speaker 7: And we literally stop, stop doing the people's work. And
Speaker 7: so when we talk about contrasts, to me, there's no conversation.
Speaker 7: Republicans want to shut down the federal government. They want
Speaker 7: to end the Department of Education, they want to defund
Speaker 7: Health and Human Services human services. Democrats were governing for
Speaker 7: the people. We just have to continue that. And when
Speaker 7: President Kamala gets in, we have to support her on it.
Speaker 7: Outside by holding members of Congress, the House is centate
Speaker 7: accountable to push a very aggressive agenda forward because we
Speaker 7: need transformation right now.
Speaker 11: We do.
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