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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: today is December seven, two thousand seventeen. We have White Brian,
Speaker 1: I mean and white Derek. Whoa, whoa? What's going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We're can I improvise him here? But we have Brian Broddess.
Speaker 1: Thank you in studio today. Appreciate you, guys, Nick Dave,
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Great? Awesome? Amber? You know,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say you know you because I think
Speaker 1: you're on loan here from Taylor. Taylor was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll let you have him here from Talking Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, well, you were with us first, that's
Speaker 1: not true. You're actually with Talking first. I was with
Speaker 1: Talking first. So I've kind of bounced around. I've been
Speaker 1: kind of bounced a lot. Yeah. Game with hanging with
Speaker 1: the boys, I do. I hang with the boys on
Speaker 1: Fridays too. Is that absolutely right? And that draft show, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, I feel like you're already getting ahead.
Speaker 1: Start there we go, Kent Garrison, executive producer, right there,
Speaker 1: going at it, watch like eight guys I've got Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna watch. Ohio State had a kid named
Speaker 1: Hubbart that I was gonna watch this morning. So but
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here doing radio with it. Man.
Speaker 1: Just go to the Cotton Bowl and you get to
Speaker 1: watch about twelve guys probably that's that's cool. That is
Speaker 1: cool that they actually got a game USC and Ohio
Speaker 1: State plan and yeah, I'm gonna try and somehow finangle
Speaker 1: a fuel pass and kind of get up close looking guys,
Speaker 1: so I can awesome. Well, today we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: talk about the Giants defense. Sorry, Brian, but this is
Speaker 1: now Dave's segment. Dave's job here, scouting report. You can
Speaker 1: do it if you want to go for it. Man,
Speaker 1: I enjoy your scouting reports. Thank you tell us about this.
Speaker 1: We're going. Oh, no injuries or anything. I can't even
Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, Derek does touch Yeah either, we
Speaker 1: should because that was an all star cast of players
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys injury report. Yeah, so are you guys
Speaker 1: concerned about the offensive line. Yeah, I mean the fact
Speaker 1: that you got two tackles with back injuries. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they'll both play. But we've seen before, like
Speaker 1: some weeks are worse than others. You know, some weeks,
Speaker 1: I guess Tyrn really has never missed because of a
Speaker 1: back right last year? Yeah? Oh and at the end
Speaker 1: when well, what was what was his situation in last
Speaker 1: year when it was his back and it was just
Speaker 1: back Chicago and San Franciso Francisco. Yeah right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, I guess some weeks, I think
Speaker 1: it's not the most exciting thing to see both your
Speaker 1: tackles out and you know, Belle and Green as the starters,
Speaker 1: but it's Wednesday, listen, if it's Thursday. The feeling that
Speaker 1: at least all Collins will be a go for this weekend,
Speaker 1: I think they'll play. You'll play, Yeah, I do. I
Speaker 1: think last week and boys amazing that he did what
Speaker 1: he did, because you wouldn't feel like that practicing not
Speaker 1: at all, any taking any snaps really the whole week
Speaker 1: and then go out there and hold the redskins. We
Speaker 1: talked about Smith and Karagan and what they potentially could
Speaker 1: do to you and to go out there with no
Speaker 1: work during the week and had the game he did.
Speaker 1: I think says that at least it has to give
Speaker 1: him the confidence that this week, if they go with
Speaker 1: the same plan, that they could pull this thing off again.
Speaker 1: Two quality defenders like Dave's going to talk about today
Speaker 1: for the Giants, And yesterday we talked about Orlandos Kendrick
Speaker 1: most likely being out for sure this weekend, we talked
Speaker 1: about Sean Lee coming back into practice. What about David Irvan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about that. I asked about that one this morning
Speaker 1: and from the answer I got, he's still in the protocol.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens. I'm sure Garrett will give
Speaker 1: us an answer today, but I was told still in protocol.
Speaker 1: So it's I've kind of learned that if they don't
Speaker 1: practice after being put in the protocol, that they tend
Speaker 1: to be out. But keep an eye on this one.
Speaker 1: Just keep an eye. This would be longer than a
Speaker 1: seven days from the injury, because I remember when he
Speaker 1: when he went down less and he still played something
Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah, but he made the tip pass
Speaker 1: it was intercepted, and so yeah, that you're kind of
Speaker 1: wonder but also had a sack there late in the game, right, Yeah, well, no,
Speaker 1: he got he had the time where the one sack
Speaker 1: he had it was we ran almost ran over Cousins
Speaker 1: and the next week hit the b Jesus at Yeah. Yea,
Speaker 1: he knocked him into knocked into DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah exactly. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's going to be interesting to see what happens
Speaker 1: with him. Well, I mean typically with concussions, you kind
Speaker 1: of have an idea by Tuesday or when. Well, the
Speaker 1: way they've done things in the past, Jack Martin for instance,
Speaker 1: I mean he was he was back at shout out
Speaker 1: Wednesday practice Thursday. So if it turns into a didn't
Speaker 1: practice Wednesday, doesn't practice Thursday, that never really boats. Well,
Speaker 1: become I want him to practice and then see it.
Speaker 1: They would still have a Friday practice to kind of
Speaker 1: get ready for that. Well what would they do there
Speaker 1: without without him? I mean they got some backup guys now, right,
Speaker 1: but really he plays the three technique there, so you
Speaker 1: would probably see Lewis Neil, Okay, get some, get some.
Speaker 1: Lewis Neil was your number one three technique in practice,
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, so him and Richard ashe when they
Speaker 1: don't use when they don't use. You know, we've seen
Speaker 1: we've seen some problems with Collins now too, with his foot.
Speaker 1: He doesn't practice so on here. Yeah, you have two
Speaker 1: starters at the ends, I mean, and you have backups
Speaker 1: at your tackles and your quarterbacks on here. But do
Speaker 1: you uh right, We're gonna talk about that, even though
Speaker 1: there's not much to really talk about it. Everything seems fine.
Speaker 1: Do you roll? Do you roll with Lewis Neil in
Speaker 1: that situation or do you try to like move Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford inside? Like, Hey, I think they got a really
Speaker 1: good thing going with Crawford playing that right defensive end.
Speaker 1: I think you're probably and you know, with the Giants
Speaker 1: offensive line, it might not be one of those things
Speaker 1: where you have to be Louis Neil. Might not be
Speaker 1: a bad situation from what's going on inside with John
Speaker 1: Jerry and those guys with the with the Giants was
Speaker 1: our new guy Ross Ross Russ will be a defensive Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would be a defensive tackle. Daniel he's a one, right,
Speaker 1: he's more of a one ash him. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: against this line, you probably just roll with what you have.
Speaker 1: He would be active, don't you think, oh, absolutely happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean just in conclusion, real quick, and look
Speaker 1: at it's still earlier this real quick. Did you want
Speaker 1: to talk about the quarterback? Did you feel like there
Speaker 1: was a quarterback? No? No, no, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: mention it real quick in case people were wondering. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think you bring up a good point though, because
Speaker 1: yesterday you guys saw him practice with a rap on
Speaker 1: his hand initially right, and then I was talking some
Speaker 1: folks and said, well, how did that all work out?
Speaker 1: And he so he went with the rap early, and
Speaker 1: then as he got the day war on, I was
Speaker 1: told that he took it off. So he's obviously feeling
Speaker 1: pretty good about his situation. You know, if he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the thing on and see how
Speaker 1: I could throw the ball. And if he's if he
Speaker 1: wasn't very good with it, well maybe he said, you
Speaker 1: know what I know, and I'm just gonna take this
Speaker 1: thing off and go. I just think I think he's okay.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's okay too. But between
Speaker 1: that and then we talked about this yesterday, between that
Speaker 1: and the conditions and MetLife Stadium in December. I wonder
Speaker 1: that's why you're practicing outside today. Yeah, sure, I just
Speaker 1: I wonder how effective the passion about that. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: taken him outside the first time since we've been at
Speaker 1: the Star that he's taken them out outside to practice on.
Speaker 1: Its funny you said that because I was I was
Speaker 1: walking up the steps. I was like, man, this would
Speaker 1: be ideal to practice in, but Garrett won't do it
Speaker 1: because you want to get a better Well the only
Speaker 1: reason I say is because the advantage point we have.
Speaker 1: I saw the water buckets all around the Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: set up for practice. They're set for practice. So I
Speaker 1: text somebody said going outside today, and they go, yep,
Speaker 1: that's kudos. Kudos to them, because like the yeah, the
Speaker 1: Garrett thing to do would be like, well, this is
Speaker 1: what we do on Thursdays. We you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be ourselves here. We're not going to worry about that.
Speaker 1: We want to have a clean practice. Whatever. What. But
Speaker 1: I think you should get out there if you got
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know you got to go play
Speaker 1: in thirty eight degree weather while you have that right here,
Speaker 1: so the wind blowing a little bit too. We were
Speaker 1: looking at the ribbons all going crazy and everything like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, good, get the wind, get the field, the
Speaker 1: chill in the air. We really don't look out the
Speaker 1: window very often at all. I just did it because
Speaker 1: I was walking. When you walk into our office, as
Speaker 1: you well know, you go, you look right at the field.
Speaker 1: So then I said, oh, water buckets practice outside, here
Speaker 1: we go catch you. As I was walking in today,
Speaker 1: I was just cussing the whole time. In my head.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, the wind, it's like a knife through
Speaker 1: your skin. But there'll be a good little practice. So
Speaker 1: it's still early. If we still need to figure out
Speaker 1: what happens today. I practiced in tomorrow. What nothing we
Speaker 1: were just I was just talking talking the weather. I
Speaker 1: can oh yeah, I'll bring up something that you brought
Speaker 1: up in our periscope yesterday. What about who was going
Speaker 1: to start it at corner? Who? You felt like, there's
Speaker 1: no Scandrick. I don't think you're gonna have Scandrick. We
Speaker 1: really didn't talk about him very much. Well, we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about it yesterday. Okay, Yeah, so it's Jordan. You
Speaker 1: guys came to the agreement. Lewis on the outside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think because she in a periscope. I asked her
Speaker 1: the same question, and I think she's absolutely right. I
Speaker 1: think it's Jordan Lewis is who you're gonna get out there.
Speaker 1: So good. I'm glad you guys covered that. How about that?
Speaker 1: And I mean we did, we covered that yesterday a
Speaker 1: little bit. But so if everything goes the way you
Speaker 1: want it to for the time being, you got your
Speaker 1: two highly touted rookies, well, oh, good point. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a really good point because Xavier Woods is probably
Speaker 1: gonna play Davior Wood's gonna play a slot for you there?
Speaker 1: Get ready? How stop that Storling Shepherd is there is
Speaker 1: their primary slot player for them at the Reds at
Speaker 1: the Giants, And it's a matchup that I wrote about today.
Speaker 1: It's gonna go up on the site. It's on the site. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That so, so now you've got a situation where you've
Speaker 1: got a rookie who really is not probably the most
Speaker 1: comfortable playing as a slot is playing their best their
Speaker 1: best player in the slot. You got three rookies starting, yeah,
Speaker 1: in the secondary and I must win game. I mean good,
Speaker 1: that's I think that's great. Honestly, do you think that's
Speaker 1: gonna be the story of the how I mean one
Speaker 1: way or the other. Yeah, because they'll either be up
Speaker 1: to it or they won't be. It'll be a story.
Speaker 1: One they're gonna lose this game with the Giants running
Speaker 1: the ball. They're gonna lose this game the Giants throw
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, okay, Which so either you're starting three
Speaker 1: rookies against the Giants, probably the worst passing attack you'll
Speaker 1: play all year. Yeah, and if quarterback that's had those
Speaker 1: four hundred yard days, if they do a great job,
Speaker 1: it'll be a story. And if they do a bad job,
Speaker 1: it'll be a story of how this rookie class you know,
Speaker 1: you think is working its way down. I mean the
Speaker 1: fourth round pick made a great play last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the three defensive backs or start are gonna play and start,
Speaker 1: so like, you know, can't who do we who's left?
Speaker 1: Who we need to make some plays over there? I
Speaker 1: assume you're being facetious, Taco. I was talking about that
Speaker 1: on Twitter, like, yeah, all right, it would be nice.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're not on that twenty sixteen level because nobody
Speaker 1: will be ever, but pretty solid showing from this draft class.
Speaker 1: And it's not bad. I'm not saying he's great. But
Speaker 1: like I don't, I Taco's fine, right, He's why Why
Speaker 1: do you say right? Because I know nobody believes me.
Speaker 1: Why I like him? I really do. I really I
Speaker 1: like him, And more than anything, I just think of
Speaker 1: how his body structure, the weight room for a year,
Speaker 1: coming back second year. I guarantee he will be fine.
Speaker 1: He will look the part he's gonna he's gonna he
Speaker 1: just needs to be a little bit bigger, a little
Speaker 1: bit more confident in what he's doing. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be. Okay, Okay, let me revert back to draft
Speaker 1: talk again. Does he keep you from drafting a quality
Speaker 1: defensive end? Um? Considering the situation that if you have
Speaker 1: to answer me the question about DeMarcus and David, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's I'm saying. I mean, if
Speaker 1: they're both the guy's seventeen million dollars, if they're both
Speaker 1: on this team, then I don't think you need to
Speaker 1: spend a high high pick on a pass rush. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Rating one round in WAE round, how about give me
Speaker 1: a second round there? When Garcon he's a stud, there
Speaker 1: are other concisions that I'm taking him because the giant, Hey,
Speaker 1: she gave me second I was just like, come on,
Speaker 1: brought us if you ever other positions. I mean, there
Speaker 1: are other decisions that would need it more than a
Speaker 1: defensive end round. I agree, but a second round. Give
Speaker 1: me a second round position. I'm gonna put you on
Speaker 1: the spot. Since she was kind of snarky with me
Speaker 1: on that, well, safety, Oh here you go. Interesting, that's
Speaker 1: that's your woods. Yeah, okay, but she's she. I think
Speaker 1: I think she's more figuring about Burne Jones. I think
Speaker 1: that that's not I don't I don't disagree with her.
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath, for that matter, I don't disagree with you
Speaker 1: that either. That's a good call. Second round safety, nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with that. I don't see pass rusher if if
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Irving are on this team next year, I
Speaker 1: don't see it as as big as a need as
Speaker 1: safety or a line back. Nick just told you Taco's
Speaker 1: gonna bulk up. No, it's gonna be fine. But Bacco
Speaker 1: has shown me it's not as much as you would
Speaker 1: prefer from a first round pick. But I've seen enough
Speaker 1: there that I'm like, I'm I'm gonna have I'm gonna
Speaker 1: choose to have optimism that year two will be bad
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I'm doing this to you here. Who
Speaker 1: have you? Who have you been more seen more of
Speaker 1: if your time? Because this guy's essentially a rookie Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith or Taco Taco, Thank you Taco. Well, Jalen's been
Speaker 1: on the field way more, I mean Taco. But who
Speaker 1: who who have basically rookie guys? Do you have a
Speaker 1: better feeling for going into eighteen? Yikes? I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: that's not a sorry Nick Well, I mean that's that's
Speaker 1: a tough question. But I mean, one guy's leading the
Speaker 1: team and tackles, but that's mainly because Sean Lee has
Speaker 1: been hurt. He's leading the team and tackles. But but
Speaker 1: do you feel great? Oh? I don't forget any of
Speaker 1: tape out there of him where you're just like Sea
Speaker 1: you feel great? No, But again you can't really come
Speaker 1: I mean two different situations when you look at who
Speaker 1: else lines up next to him? Sure, great guys, I
Speaker 1: mean no, I'm talking about offensive end oyeah okay, and
Speaker 1: the defensive line right these other guys that I mean
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, David Irving and falling out the season and
Speaker 1: then with Sean Lee being out. Yeah, Jalen Smith gets
Speaker 1: more chances to be out there, so obviously you get
Speaker 1: to see him more doing more things. So you're saying Jaalen,
Speaker 1: you felt better about Jaalen than you do Taco going
Speaker 1: into eighteen. I think I do too. I think I
Speaker 1: think I feel better about Jayalen than Taco. But she
Speaker 1: were just cheering for Taco a second ago. Just because
Speaker 1: I feel good about Jalen doesn't mean I can't feel
Speaker 1: good about Taco. Sure, you can't all ve tacos. I
Speaker 1: think that the social saw the Giants win a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl by drafting just kept drafting defensive lineman. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I think in a pass rusher is the one position that,
Speaker 1: even though you feel good about it, if he's the
Speaker 1: best on another word, get another one because you can rotate,
Speaker 1: keep him coming. So she's right about safety too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is right about that. All right. I'm curious to
Speaker 1: know where you think wide receiver falls. I know I'm
Speaker 1: with you on wide receiver. If she would have said
Speaker 1: wide receiver, I would have said that because you're gonna
Speaker 1: have you're gonna be in a situation where okay, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. Then another question about wide receivers
Speaker 1: because this might have been something because you took Noah Brown.
Speaker 1: But would you have rather paid Barry Church or paid
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams. Oh, I much rather would have paid Barry Church.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, But then now you're saying, well, okay,
Speaker 1: go get him Noah Brown. But Barry I mean, to
Speaker 1: be fair, Barry Church got double the money, like he
Speaker 1: literally double them, probably double the production probably, But I'm
Speaker 1: just I mean, you got to take that stuff into account.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to say, yeah, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a thirty million dollar contract that would make him,
Speaker 1: that would probably make him their fifth largest contract on
Speaker 1: this team. I would imagine though, without Terence Williams, they
Speaker 1: would have drafted one a little higher than I mean,
Speaker 1: and Switzer not really, I think they would have probably
Speaker 1: drafted one higher. They were they were trying to take
Speaker 1: a running back in that fourth round pick, and they
Speaker 1: wanted because now pumped from FUM free from San Diego State.
Speaker 1: But I would imagine they wouldn't have gone maybe a
Speaker 1: corner in the third round. Yeah, I don't know, though,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have the well cracks at it this spring.
Speaker 1: So yeah, twelve picks something like that. I think, I think,
Speaker 1: I think wide receivers. Sorry about speaking of tight end
Speaker 1: being knocked down? Is that gonna be one of them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on the wide receiver thing, alright, I
Speaker 1: am with you on the first round. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're going to go first round wide receiver. Let's just
Speaker 1: do a draft show. I know, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean and I don't want to talk my way
Speaker 1: check out the week before the combat. I'm not the
Speaker 1: seam of the Senior Bowl. Probably January. There you go,
Speaker 1: let's do it, all right, guys. I don't know when
Speaker 1: we're supposed to take a break, but I learned ahead
Speaker 1: and go ahead. I learned this at fifty and ten.
Speaker 1: Fifty and ten. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're good to go.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's just go ahead and take it early.
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Speaker 1: Back to the break. Okay, guys, we are back on
Speaker 1: the second segment. Up the break, Dave is going to
Speaker 1: give us a scouting report on the Giants. Awesome, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is good with the scout in the room.
Speaker 1: But you guys, remember how we talked yesterday about um injuries. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: they ain't just the offense man like you wrote it
Speaker 1: in your thing this morning, like they don't have anybody left,
Speaker 1: don't this team? Uh? So? Jenoress Jenkins went on ir
Speaker 1: H this with this past week. So, but I think
Speaker 1: I just heard as cheering. Yeah yeah he should yeah
Speaker 1: he wait it's not up here. You got got demoted
Speaker 1: over there, Keenan Robinson? Who's your best? Probably their best?
Speaker 1: Like cover linebacker out? Yeah? Done? Um? Who else was
Speaker 1: on here? That just stood out to me? Hey, Jeremiah McKinnon.
Speaker 1: Remember him back for the Vikings? No, that's uh used
Speaker 1: to be our guy? Yeah, where's he's playing for them?
Speaker 1: He was until he wound up on iry Um and
Speaker 1: then not when you're not talking about ir so all right, JPP,
Speaker 1: you know him. He did not participate yesterday the finger injury.
Speaker 1: Spare me the jokes. I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1: It's not nice. What happened there? You go, thank you, Snax.
Speaker 1: Harrison limited with an elbow injury. Jonathan Cassius, one of
Speaker 1: their longest tenured linebackers, did not participate with a neck
Speaker 1: and a wrist injury. Eli Apple Eli Apple, first round
Speaker 1: pick out of Ohio State, did not participate with hip
Speaker 1: and back injuries. So even the guys that are left,
Speaker 1: we don't know how many of them are going to play.
Speaker 1: So that's the big thing I'm looking at you're looking at.
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Dixon, you're absolutely right, stepped in, Well,
Speaker 1: he stepped in for Generus he did. Then you lose
Speaker 1: Eli Apple and Ross Cockrell. You are on fire. Former
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steeler is the guy that you're looking at. So
Speaker 1: Domini Rodgers, Gramardi is still there as your primary nickelback, sir,
Speaker 1: and Landon Collins is still there as your Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: strong safety watch him. Other than that, I love the commentary.
Speaker 1: I know I appreciate the votes of confidence for for real, um,
Speaker 1: but I mean they're they're down, especially on the back end,
Speaker 1: like not having Genorris Jenkins. I's like a student driver
Speaker 1: driving in like that turn. I got my foot hovering
Speaker 1: over the break right now, I did. I mean not
Speaker 1: having a guy like Genorris Jenkins who routinely holds Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant to one and two catches for eight and ten yards.
Speaker 1: Maybe the best thing he said all morning. I think
Speaker 1: it changes everything about this absolutely does. When you have
Speaker 1: a guy that can take a Dez Bryant out of
Speaker 1: a game. All on his own, and you don't have
Speaker 1: him absolutely, and you're leaning on Ross Cockerell and and
Speaker 1: who's the where's my other guy, Brandon? Yeah? So why
Speaker 1: why if that's the case, why would Washington not do that? Then?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just got distracted there. The Browns just
Speaker 1: fired their executive vice president of football operations, Rappaport is
Speaker 1: also reporting that they're considering your boy, John Dorsey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there he gets worth. I'm glad John's getting consideration. They're him,
Speaker 1: Scott McClue and all those guys are good guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're nick your question. I'm sorry, No, I was just thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, like, we've seen Jenkins win that battle a lot,
Speaker 1: a ton, and he's better. He's better than Dez when
Speaker 1: it comes one on one, he's a one or he's
Speaker 1: one of the few guys that can really shut him down.
Speaker 1: And I think Norman. We've seen Norman have success too.
Speaker 1: Now Dez has been a little bit more. It's about
Speaker 1: more fifty fifty there. But why wouldn't they try that?
Speaker 1: Because because then he's just killed Brelan. I didn't kill him,
Speaker 1: but I mean, yeah, his arguably the best day of
Speaker 1: the year, right, he's not traveling with a guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well what happens. And I think Marinelli's explained this because
Speaker 1: a lot of and this is what defensive coordinators go through,
Speaker 1: is when you travel a guy, it affects what everybody
Speaker 1: else does in the coverage. So you're not only moving
Speaker 1: that responsibility with one guy, but everybody else has to
Speaker 1: account for the movement of the plays. So all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, if if a guy starts on the left
Speaker 1: side of the formation ends up on the right, that
Speaker 1: changes completely what they do in coverage. And so a
Speaker 1: lot of coaches don't want to do that pre snap.
Speaker 1: They don't want it. Now, you could get away with
Speaker 1: it some special packages. We've seen guys spy linebackers and
Speaker 1: things like that. That doesn't affect the back in, but
Speaker 1: when you travel with somebody, it affects what everybody else is.
Speaker 1: And coaches are worried about what we saw under the
Speaker 1: Rob Ryan administration. Remember how much traveling they played. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, guys are running free in the secondary.
Speaker 1: That's something they really really really want to avoid. Gotcham So,
Speaker 1: looking at the Cowboys offense and their defense that the
Speaker 1: Giants have right now, what would be the area that
Speaker 1: could give them the most trouble. Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: did just say, you know JPP didn't practice yesterday. We'll
Speaker 1: keep an eye on him. Carry Wynn or Avery Moss Moss, Yeah,
Speaker 1: rookie at a Youngstown state rights. That's a fun thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just you and me draft stuff,
Speaker 1: but like a lot of young dudes, I mean, Avery's
Speaker 1: time of year. Get ready for them all, Avery Moss
Speaker 1: probably your left end if JPP can't go, Dalvin Tomlinson
Speaker 1: has taken over. They's done a nice job. Technique shows Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you to your question Amber the defensive line, even
Speaker 1: if Jpp's not there, Olivier Vernon has given Tyrn Smith
Speaker 1: fits throughout his career. Yes, Lyle Collins is injured. So
Speaker 1: whoever he goes against, I feel like you're gonna want
Speaker 1: to watch that awesome job, awesome, awesome job against the Redskins.
Speaker 1: But you're still talking about him playing with a bad
Speaker 1: back right now, And then I know, I feel like
Speaker 1: he hasn't had as good of a year as he's
Speaker 1: used to. But Damon Harrison, I still think is he's
Speaker 1: still when you watch him play, he's still commands blocks
Speaker 1: the Raiders. What the Raiders were able to do to
Speaker 1: run the football was on the edge. Really, that's what
Speaker 1: you have to do, kind of get everybody trapped inside,
Speaker 1: and you know what they do it what they were
Speaker 1: they were taking the ball at Olivier Vernon and so
Speaker 1: what they did was they when they get him usually
Speaker 1: he's a hard guy to hook on the edge, so
Speaker 1: they just mashed at him and they get him to
Speaker 1: widen and then they trapped everybody inside and they were
Speaker 1: able to pop some runs. I have a feeling that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to try the same thing because
Speaker 1: that allows you to pull your lineman, and that's what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have shown the ability to do. You would
Speaker 1: know this way more than me. But I feel like Frederick,
Speaker 1: when it comes to somebody normal size technique, he'll win
Speaker 1: every time when every single time, but when it's guy
Speaker 1: that's massive, it's hard for him to it's harder for him.
Speaker 1: It is hard for him because what happens is he
Speaker 1: plays so much with leverage and he's a he's a
Speaker 1: get in and turn guy, and if the guy doesn't
Speaker 1: allow him to turn his body, then he's kind of
Speaker 1: stuck and he's stuck flat. And when I mean flat.
Speaker 1: You know, you want to be able to create some
Speaker 1: type of movement, and he can't get movement on him.
Speaker 1: That's why they that's why the Giants last year had
Speaker 1: some really good success. I know that Mickey argued with
Speaker 1: me about Elliott had a hundred yard game in the
Speaker 1: second game at the at the Meadowlands, but they didn't
Speaker 1: run the ball with really any effectiveness. Yeah, Dack through
Speaker 1: for about eighty yards. Yeah, so yeah, one oh seven nights. Yeah, actually, no,
Speaker 1: you might be right, it might have been less than under.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but David, your your report's really good on
Speaker 1: the state of the Giant defense. And a lot of
Speaker 1: it has to do with the fact that their secondary
Speaker 1: is really really banged up. Linebackers are banged up. They
Speaker 1: still have the front that you have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: But thus the front is still really good. But it
Speaker 1: has not translated. No, it hasn't happened. Twenty one sacks
Speaker 1: on the year, Yeah, that's been a problem for them
Speaker 1: and they but if you remember last year, though they
Speaker 1: were one sack short of the Cowboys, the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: ahead of them and sacks last year, so you know,
Speaker 1: for all the money that they spent, they had a
Speaker 1: good game plan. Spagnola had a good game plan for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys twice, you know, but he doesn't have They
Speaker 1: don't have the horses to run the race in the offense.
Speaker 1: They do have the horses at least in the front
Speaker 1: four to to to affect the Cowboys. If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't get any traction, they're also I mean, and I
Speaker 1: agree with you, but they're last in the league against
Speaker 1: the run. Yeah, but you played the Chargers who were
Speaker 1: last in the league and run too, and that boy
Speaker 1: didn't work out very well. It's a really good point, Brian,
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, yeah, that's kind of I mean,
Speaker 1: injuries aside, there's still a lot of talent here. It
Speaker 1: had to know your team. They know they know your team,
Speaker 1: and you know them. You know what you're dealing with
Speaker 1: with that front. You better be able. You have to
Speaker 1: create doubt again for them, That's what you have to do.
Speaker 1: I just worry, and like going, I worry about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys ability to be balanced because without mister twenty one here, right,
Speaker 1: you can't just charge into the line and hope for
Speaker 1: the best. At least I don't think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: But even even with all these injuries, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be cold, it's gonna be windy as hell.
Speaker 1: Dak's hand is twice as big as it's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Not feeling too confident about what Alfred could do this week,
Speaker 1: I don't like Alfred's chances. If the Giants just don't
Speaker 1: respect the past even slightly. Well, the thing that Dave
Speaker 1: is really worried about just landing Collins playing down in
Speaker 1: the in the box they're in bar and if he
Speaker 1: if he's consistently, he's a guy you can't account for
Speaker 1: as being that extra guy down. So now, Ken, where
Speaker 1: you where you thought that Ezekiel Elliott kid maybe make
Speaker 1: a move miss and then or run over in millet.
Speaker 1: I don't know if. I don't know if if Alfred Morris,
Speaker 1: Alfred can make a move, but I don't know how
Speaker 1: many of those. How many times are you gonna be
Speaker 1: banging into twenty one? You know, banging? Just keep banning.
Speaker 1: If it's if it's four and five yards, is shot good.
Speaker 1: But if it turns into him, just keep coming down
Speaker 1: and they don't account for him. It's three yard games
Speaker 1: all day, and then it turns into a lot of
Speaker 1: sec A third and six is that's where you're gonna
Speaker 1: have problem. But the secondary we talked about some mess
Speaker 1: If I was gonna say, you know what I'd like
Speaker 1: to see is if if Ross Cockrell and Brandon Dixon
Speaker 1: or your boundary corners in this game, yeah, I'd like
Speaker 1: to how about some bubble screens like the ones that
Speaker 1: they were throwing to des against sure that we're not
Speaker 1: working right, Get get those going, get things going, you
Speaker 1: get the ball out of your hand quick. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: But this is where you worry about two and the
Speaker 1: fact that they this is where all those guys, Jenkins
Speaker 1: and those guys all play and Apple play into this
Speaker 1: plan for the Giants. When it gets third and six.
Speaker 1: They can deny you the football, you know, they deny
Speaker 1: the Cowboys the routes. That's the problem the Giants have
Speaker 1: now is they can't deny you. I mean, how many
Speaker 1: times it's like run for two, run for one. Now
Speaker 1: it's third and seven. All of a sudden you're sitting
Speaker 1: there having to Okay, now make a tight window throw
Speaker 1: like to Dez Bryan on slant which Norris Jenkins hanging
Speaker 1: on him. This is gonna be one of those games
Speaker 1: I think when you have a lot of new players
Speaker 1: in the secondary where you could get some reverse, some sweep,
Speaker 1: some things wide because they're not used to seeing certain
Speaker 1: things like that. If they're if they're really familiar with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys what they do, they'll sniff all that out.
Speaker 1: But this could be one of those where you could
Speaker 1: get some jet sweep reverses and fake jets. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Anything you can do to manufacture your passing yards without
Speaker 1: having to throw the ball ten to fifteen yards downfield,
Speaker 1: I'm all about it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: about you guys, but to me, this is one of
Speaker 1: those games that you can't really have a complete evaluation
Speaker 1: of the whole how it's gonna turn now, how it
Speaker 1: may turn now. It's just one of those games that
Speaker 1: we just have to wait and let's go play. Just
Speaker 1: go play. Yeah that's cold. Yeah, I could see either way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I could see the Giants playing emotional
Speaker 1: and win and having a lot of great plays their way.
Speaker 1: I could see the bomb just falling out for them this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. You guys could be in that press box
Speaker 1: and it could be like, Okay, good start for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They weathered the storm. Now go take that game, you know,
Speaker 1: or it could be Giants are hanging around Giants realizing
Speaker 1: we've only got four games left. Wait a minute, we've
Speaker 1: got a new head coach. Next year, we got a
Speaker 1: new general manager. You start playing for your job, you
Speaker 1: start playing for that. Someone's gonna watch this tape and
Speaker 1: they're going to evaluate me. They're gonna say he quit
Speaker 1: or he played out of his mind the last four weeks.
Speaker 1: And that's where I think the Giants are right now.
Speaker 1: By firing the GM, now, by firing the coach, you're
Speaker 1: you've put the players on alert this you know, are
Speaker 1: they good enough to beat the Cowboys? Probably not, not
Speaker 1: with the current state. But that's the strange lady of
Speaker 1: that Fel's range, Lady, Brian's strange lad. I just this
Speaker 1: is one of those and I mean, they they'll do
Speaker 1: what they gotta do to get up, but like it's
Speaker 1: it's one of those like, well, they're playing for the playoffs,
Speaker 1: they know, but there's a playoff game. I guess my
Speaker 1: point it's it's it's a no win situation in the
Speaker 1: sense that like if you win the game, you were
Speaker 1: supposed to win the game. If you play poorly, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get killed for it. Like win counts as a
Speaker 1: win counts as a win. Well, he's just guys playing
Speaker 1: for his job too. But it just it just feels like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of it's a it's one of
Speaker 1: those mental games where you just gotta get past it's
Speaker 1: a bad team with a new coach and a bad
Speaker 1: record and they're mathematically out of the playoffs and all
Speaker 1: that type of stuff, and you just gotta get over it.
Speaker 1: And nobody's gonna pat you on the back if you
Speaker 1: win this game, even probably even an impressive fashion. You
Speaker 1: know what though, Dak said it yesterday and I agree
Speaker 1: with them. This is the playoffs, Yeah, it is. They
Speaker 1: cannot lose any more games. They can't. That mean to me,
Speaker 1: last week was really a playoff game. I mean, you now,
Speaker 1: put Washington behind you. Now you gotta win. That gets
Speaker 1: the Giants, Okay, put them behind you every game and
Speaker 1: you know you're right, and then next week it'll be Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't see the Raiders all that often, but boy,
Speaker 1: you better go win that game. You gotta put yourself
Speaker 1: in a position to at least have a chance when
Speaker 1: Elliott comes back Yeah, that's what you gotta do. Keep
Speaker 1: saying two game season. Yeah, it is a two game season,
Speaker 1: which back to back road trips. Yeah. So here's a question,
Speaker 1: where are you going to say something? This is a
Speaker 1: touchy subject. But and I know if Brian you're not
Speaker 1: very into that subject. But let's just go ahead and
Speaker 1: talk about it, Tommy John here, let's just get into
Speaker 1: it just because I mean, this is something that fans
Speaker 1: keep talking about in case the Cowboys to lose this game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and let's say we once again didn't see them being competitive. Sure,
Speaker 1: are we still talking about coaching or staff changes or
Speaker 1: if they do compete even if they lose, is that
Speaker 1: still a subject that keeps going on. I'll start with this.
Speaker 1: Those three games that you're talking about. The Eagles are
Speaker 1: going to be playing for the chance to go the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl all the Chargers might be one of the
Speaker 1: hottest teams in the league. And the Falcons Falcons won,
Speaker 1: you know, went the Super Bowl last year. They've got
Speaker 1: they're kind of turning in the corner as well. Too
Speaker 1: bad losses for sure, but loose to the Giants especially
Speaker 1: and not be competitive. Yeah, Yeah, you're gonna hear a
Speaker 1: lot of that talk, what if you were competitive, it
Speaker 1: was a closed game, but still pretty bad. That's that's
Speaker 1: losing to the Giants would be equivalent to losing pretty
Speaker 1: bad to the Eagles. I think, so it's still bad.
Speaker 1: The Giants suffered a loss at the San Francisco's first
Speaker 1: win was against the Giants, and that was bad. I
Speaker 1: mean in the New York papers just lit it up.
Speaker 1: And I think I still think this staff is under
Speaker 1: under that pressure. I don't think they're out of the woods.
Speaker 1: I think they need to find a way, and I
Speaker 1: have a feeling they're gonna have to win the field. Well,
Speaker 1: they have to win all the games, but the Eagles
Speaker 1: game might Philadelphia might be still playing for something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the way that Minnesota and the Saints you're playing right now,
Speaker 1: can't see where you really wouldn't be bad. Yeah you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't sit there and say, oh, well that's just
Speaker 1: checked that box. But yeah, I think you've had some
Speaker 1: bad losses this year. Now, let's let's switch to the
Speaker 1: scenario a little bit. Let's say they win out all
Speaker 1: these upcoming games and still don't kin in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: They can't. They're not gonna find with ten win season,
Speaker 1: can't they will, they will not do how they won't
Speaker 1: they Let's just let's just be a little bit more realistic,
Speaker 1: like nine, and you'll just forget all those things that happen.
Speaker 1: And oh, I see we're going I see we're going there,
Speaker 1: and you're not and you're not. Yes, you will. She's
Speaker 1: not wrong. I don't think she's wrong. I think she
Speaker 1: has what happened. But if you get to ten wins,
Speaker 1: oh she said nine, Well, I said I kind of.
Speaker 1: You don't get into the playoffs. If you have a
Speaker 1: winning record and you don't get the play into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think you stop and take stock of everything that
Speaker 1: happened to you this year, and you're disappointed. But I
Speaker 1: would be surprised. Why did I feel like he got
Speaker 1: a mulligan in two thousand and fifteen? He did? He did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did. Is he gonna get another mulligan because Zeke
Speaker 1: missed six games? If you get probably, yeah, probably, especially
Speaker 1: if he still manages to finish with a winning record
Speaker 1: with his best player having sat out for six weeks. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah. I think that's what will happen.
Speaker 1: And I can't say that it won't be deserved, honest,
Speaker 1: I mean getting to a winning record, not having Zeke
Speaker 1: for six weeks on top of all the other stuff
Speaker 1: that swirled around this team this year. I don't think
Speaker 1: you need You're bad losses with the bad losses in
Speaker 1: the season, the three in a row, really, I mean
Speaker 1: you don't think the Charger loss was bad? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: that was those three really the bad. But to your point,
Speaker 1: the Giants can jump over all of those losses. So
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna say is if you get
Speaker 1: to I think you need to get These are the
Speaker 1: kinds of games that hammer those points home. Though. I
Speaker 1: think you need to at least Ohio States loss to Iowa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was in there. It was in everyone's mind. You
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta get to eight at least to kind
Speaker 1: of like quell the convergree with if if he's been
Speaker 1: there before, he can get to eight, he knows how
Speaker 1: to get to eight. Master doing this if you get
Speaker 1: to Jeff Fish or the same guy. But if you
Speaker 1: get to eight, So if you go two and two
Speaker 1: but the Giants are one of the two, then that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a problem. You can't lose this game.
Speaker 1: It's Honestly, it's remarkable how bad the conversation was around
Speaker 1: this team heading into the Redskins game. It's remarkable how
Speaker 1: much it's quieted down. Yeah, like justin sure. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean they're still watch our post games show. They're still
Speaker 1: six and six and they still need a miracle to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. But you still like it hasn't felt
Speaker 1: as negative from the fans or the media. Beating the
Speaker 1: Redskins by twenty four or whatever. That that helps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody picked the Redskins to win. Yeah, no, no, I know,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying. I was watching, I was
Speaker 1: watching those guys. I was watching Tony Dungee and all
Speaker 1: those guys pregame show. Tony Dungee's like, oh, Washington better quarterback. Washington,
Speaker 1: better quarterback, Washington quarterback, you know, And that's the conversation
Speaker 1: comes back with a vengeance. If they don't even have
Speaker 1: to lose this game, if they win it, like if
Speaker 1: they win at fourteen to ten, oh just win. You know,
Speaker 1: you said better quarterback. I saw something on social media.
Speaker 1: It was like ranked all thirty two quarterbacks. I'll see that. No,
Speaker 1: DA was sixteen and I was like sixteen and I
Speaker 1: watched the fifteen in front of him, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's better. Yeah, he's better than Dank. He's better. And
Speaker 1: then he started getting higher, like obviously these guys, I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's where it is. You can maybe argue Cousins, but
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think Cousins this time last
Speaker 1: year when you had him in the top five, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think seven eight maybe, Yeah, But it's the way
Speaker 1: seasons go. It's well, it's and it's hard with a
Speaker 1: guy like Dak who's playing, you know, this is his
Speaker 1: thirtieth game. I think it's you know, it's hard. He's
Speaker 1: played bad guys. He has played. Three of his five
Speaker 1: worst performances of his career have come this season. I
Speaker 1: don't know about this year, but I think he's played
Speaker 1: his performance this year. Let's me kind of put a
Speaker 1: bow on last year. Now, I know what was happening
Speaker 1: last year. The runner. Yeah, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: kind of fifty fifty. But it's not play bad. Well,
Speaker 1: I said this before. I just think he's having his
Speaker 1: rookie year. This is his really rookie year in the
Speaker 1: passing game. Okay, he didn't really get a chance to
Speaker 1: do that murder. I haven't heard that before. I like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no I haven't. I haven't been on the show. I
Speaker 1: like what I'm hearing. Oh, well, that's that's what I think.
Speaker 1: I just think like last year, the times that he
Speaker 1: did get to pass the ball, Yeah, it was just
Speaker 1: very like short passes, you know, making sure he didn't
Speaker 1: make any mistakes, he didn't throw interceptions. Now he's taking
Speaker 1: more risks a little bit. So now it's when we
Speaker 1: are seeing those mistakes. It's a good point. So I
Speaker 1: will say this before we go to break. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked about coaching changes. I wouldn't be surprised. And
Speaker 1: this happens a lot in college. When a coach is
Speaker 1: kind of having a tough year, the first thing to
Speaker 1: go is the coordinators or the assistance. Sure kind of
Speaker 1: may all right, you're gonna have to change some guys
Speaker 1: on the staff, and then we do that, and then
Speaker 1: if that doesn't work, then the next year it's you
Speaker 1: I could see something like that happening this year. If
Speaker 1: they don't make the playoffs. I would imagine that the
Speaker 1: coaching staff will change somehow. Yeah, some coaches that might
Speaker 1: leave on their own, right, YEA one way or the other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't whatever, maybe somebody's fired or maybe they're not.
Speaker 1: I don't know, if they get a job somewhere because
Speaker 1: what I mean this for the most part, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe your number three tight ends coach has left, but
Speaker 1: like this staff hasn't seen a major change in three Yes,
Speaker 1: that's unusual. Money, that was four years ago. That four
Speaker 1: years ago, I mean that was twenty thirteen, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't a major change anyways, because Marion Ellie was already here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you haven't had a new coordinator or major
Speaker 1: position coach change in four years. I think it would
Speaker 1: be time. I honestly, if they don't make it, and
Speaker 1: I really like everything Marion Ellie does, but I just
Speaker 1: think they watch this show. No I know, and I
Speaker 1: love what he does. I just think there needs to
Speaker 1: be some kind of changes that if if your weak
Speaker 1: side linebacker goes down and the whole like the sack
Speaker 1: of groceries just you know, just bottoms out because of
Speaker 1: your week's side linebacker goes out, something needs to be
Speaker 1: changed there, You're right, and they need to draft another
Speaker 1: badass lineback. Then I ask a question too, when we
Speaker 1: get back from break yeah, Well, we get back, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break. If you care to
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Speaker 1: ask your and zone. I want to ask everybody a
Speaker 1: question here. Can in twenty eighteen? Can you go into
Speaker 1: the season being a team offensively rely on just so
Speaker 1: much on a running game? They need to break from that. Well,
Speaker 1: I think i'm you look at what they really like
Speaker 1: they rely The offense appears to rely solely on a
Speaker 1: running game with Ezekiel Elliott and that, and because it
Speaker 1: affects the offense and defense, can you go? Can you
Speaker 1: go in the problem because you guys were talking about changes.
Speaker 1: I get, I get what you're trying to say, but
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how you built the team. But
Speaker 1: but there's a difference with saying this is the better
Speaker 1: thing we do and then what he's saying is relying
Speaker 1: solely Yeah, can you rely just on it going into
Speaker 1: can you go in? No? You can't. All right, let me.
Speaker 1: I get what you're trying to say, and I agree
Speaker 1: with you to a point, But like if what are
Speaker 1: you trying to change? What's what do you need to
Speaker 1: change that's going to bring about I'm trying to change
Speaker 1: where you don't have to sow your offense is just
Speaker 1: not goes in the tank, but for not for how
Speaker 1: so do you think they need a new quarterback? No?
Speaker 1: I was just saying, do you think they need better
Speaker 1: wide receivers? Like we talked about that as a possible
Speaker 1: in the draft. Okay, all right, can we do the
Speaker 1: l fitting in the room? What needs to happen at
Speaker 1: tight endy? You think they're okay? There? They will, they'll
Speaker 1: continue to play with Jason Witten. I don't think anybody has.
Speaker 1: I think it's not That's not the question I would
Speaker 1: you rather, I'm not taking him off the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what you're asking. Well, and I'm just wondering about
Speaker 1: that too, And I think that I think I don't
Speaker 1: think that's the positions kill him. I think you asked
Speaker 1: about the wide receivers that's killing him. You know, if
Speaker 1: you want to say, what's going on with Des Bryan,
Speaker 1: what's going on with Terrence Williams, what's going on with
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, those guys would help Winton. Those guys more speed,
Speaker 1: using more of the field vertically would help capable throwing
Speaker 1: it down the field. Dakota. Yes, yeah, I think so,
Speaker 1: And I don't seen it on a regular basis. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's because of him or because of
Speaker 1: the I mean, okay, why is his team still relying
Speaker 1: on the run, because, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: because he's still a very young quarterback who doesn't feel
Speaker 1: entirely comfortable playing that way. But and that was I
Speaker 1: was going to bring that up earlier, which is, yes,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I thought it was a much more
Speaker 1: fifty fifty split. Like I thought it was equally parts
Speaker 1: dak and Zeke. And what we've seen at the last
Speaker 1: month is that that's not true. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: that's it's okay to admit that. It doesn't mean Dak
Speaker 1: is a bad player. It means he's twenty four and
Speaker 1: he's still how to play football. I did not like
Speaker 1: what the Seattle quarterback for five years ago. I really
Speaker 1: did not. I didn't. He didn't have to carry the team.
Speaker 1: He has become a completely different player than he is
Speaker 1: developed into an MVP candidate because they right, and and
Speaker 1: Dak is a similar type of guy. And if and
Speaker 1: if and if he's committed, like Russell Wilson seemed to
Speaker 1: be committed to trying to get better and craft his
Speaker 1: game and play. Don't he could do that? Do you not?
Speaker 1: I would say that. I think he has that makeup
Speaker 1: like I think that's what he's about. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm not. I'm not worried about him having
Speaker 1: the work ethic or the desire to be better. It's
Speaker 1: mainly more the experience. And yeah, if if you take
Speaker 1: Marshawn lynch Off those twenty twelve and twenty thirteen Seattle teams,
Speaker 1: do they look as good? I doubt it, but we'll
Speaker 1: say this though. You can't deny after rookie seasons and
Speaker 1: really a second seasons. How Robert Griffin was going to
Speaker 1: take over the league. Sure, Colin Kaepernick take over the league.
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck even to and now he's had it's more injury, right,
Speaker 1: But but you know that's where it starts, towards started
Speaker 1: with Griffin. It's toward it starts. So all I'm saying
Speaker 1: is is that you know that going in, is he
Speaker 1: gonna go Russell Wilson? Is he gonna go that route?
Speaker 1: Is he gonna go this round? Wouldn't you and wouldn't
Speaker 1: you agree that when the running game has been there?
Speaker 1: Oh they're they're not there. No, they're an incredible team
Speaker 1: with the run. But not only that, but but you're
Speaker 1: so much the mercy now, but you have seen like
Speaker 1: Dak can play that way when he has that. I
Speaker 1: mean he he hit those long passes last year. I
Speaker 1: didn't make that up, you know. Yeah, I'm just asking Minnesota, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: Green Bay in the playoffs, like it's not like the guy. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's been the Okay, what's been the problem with the
Speaker 1: offense without the running, without the threat of Ezekiel. I
Speaker 1: think it's this lack of speed of wide receiver. You've
Speaker 1: heard me say I have two billion times. I don't
Speaker 1: think I don't think, I don't. I don't think they
Speaker 1: have any playmakers. They have nobody that can just say,
Speaker 1: give me the ball, Lissuk tackler too, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: fifty yards. Nobody scares anyone on this days unless it's Zeke.
Speaker 1: It's probably a combination of receivers who don't scare a
Speaker 1: defense enough that they're gonna make a play even if
Speaker 1: they're well covered, combined with a quarterback that it make.
Speaker 1: It doesn't always make. Tindow not gonna regularly make elite
Speaker 1: caliber throws right now, and he's not even gonna attempt
Speaker 1: him more and honestly, which knocks your interception right down.
Speaker 1: But therefore, but well, But she made a great point
Speaker 1: about saying that he's taken more chances, and she's absolutely right,
Speaker 1: he's taking chances, But is he successful doing it more
Speaker 1: often than not? No, especially not without Zeke. See That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But can you feel like though going
Speaker 1: into next season you could still be the primarily running team,
Speaker 1: But I think you your best bet of winning a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with the way this thing is constructed is
Speaker 1: to lean heavily on the running game and have him
Speaker 1: be able to make plays, but mainly manage the offense
Speaker 1: smartly and efficiently. And I think you can do that.
Speaker 1: Whether that means first of all, and Zeke will be back,
Speaker 1: and I think he'll be fine. But like I'm investing
Speaker 1: again in the running back position. You would prefer not
Speaker 1: to because you spent a fourth overall pick on him,
Speaker 1: but that's what makes this thing go. So if you
Speaker 1: whether you want to back up for Zeke or back
Speaker 1: up for Sean Lee, I mean preferably both. I'm just
Speaker 1: asking one or the other. You can't have it all, Dave,
Speaker 1: probably Sean Lee. I mean, the offense can at least
Speaker 1: get the job. You don't worry about Zeek getting hurt,
Speaker 1: but you worry about the off field where exactly you
Speaker 1: don't worry about off the field. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if a fifth or sixth round linebacker could come, but
Speaker 1: I think a fifth or sixth round running back. We've
Speaker 1: seen that success story a little bit murd around in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Let's throw this out. I like, yeah, well no,
Speaker 1: and you go find yourself. And Alvin Kamara, who not
Speaker 1: only did we talked about him a budge. You're talking
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys, not you and me. Go find yourself
Speaker 1: a guy who can not only spell zeke, but compliment.
Speaker 1: Who's this year's Alvin? He's out there. I don't know
Speaker 1: what his name, Ronald Jones. This is a deep, deep
Speaker 1: running back class. Yes, might be that kid at Stanford, Yeah, Bryce,
Speaker 1: maybe the kid at USC too, Yeah, Ronald Jones, bring
Speaker 1: him on. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah, there you go. Well,
Speaker 1: here's another question. Ideally, you do want to have an
Speaker 1: offense that's well balanced on both the running game in
Speaker 1: the passing game. Right, looking at all the other teams
Speaker 1: in the NFL, how many teams are actually actually have
Speaker 1: that m that's a fair point. Yeah, and on. I
Speaker 1: mean that's the there's But this team, guys is just
Speaker 1: they're they're they're paralyzed by their inability. I mean, but
Speaker 1: not that Alfred Moors has been bad, but they're they're
Speaker 1: paralyzed and something's caused them to be paralyzed, whether it's
Speaker 1: the quarterback play or the consistency of the quarterback play,
Speaker 1: the receiver's offensive line. That's something that Mickey always likes
Speaker 1: to talk about. I mean, nobody wants to hammer on
Speaker 1: the offensive line. But has that been Has that been
Speaker 1: why you haven't had consistency? Dak Prescott throwing the football
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have time to sit there and find
Speaker 1: somebody down the field. Well, I mean against Atlanta, sure,
Speaker 1: but I don't put I don't, okay, kick that game out,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't put the struggles against
Speaker 1: Philly or the Chargers on on the offensive line, at
Speaker 1: least not not wholeheartedly. No. I think for better, for
Speaker 1: better or for worse, you know, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: so much water under the bridge at this point. But
Speaker 1: that I mean, he is not on that Tony Romo
Speaker 1: level where he's going, like where he's like that maestro.
Speaker 1: And I was I was gonna say the same thing,
Speaker 1: despite doesn't bring the level of the receivers up and
Speaker 1: vice versa. I don't think that they bring his level up.
Speaker 1: That's true. First of all. I mean nobody he thought
Speaker 1: affected the play caller too. I think I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody thought when that whole thing went down that he
Speaker 1: was on that level. I wrote about this last week
Speaker 1: in my column. It was more of a it's a
Speaker 1: decision you make thinking four or five years down the
Speaker 1: line more so than like what is he right now?
Speaker 1: It's a great point she said about the rookie year,
Speaker 1: because you think about like, if if this is the
Speaker 1: deck we were seeing last year, we'd understand it a
Speaker 1: lot more. Would we would understand it and he would
Speaker 1: There would be some there'd probably six and six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not I get that, But I mean it's
Speaker 1: almost like y'all are trying to take that credit away
Speaker 1: from him. No, no, no, no, he did. He did.
Speaker 1: I just think he needs help around. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: guess my point is maybe every quarterback needs help. They
Speaker 1: do for the you know, the fifth time on this show.
Speaker 1: Like it's not an indictment on him that this is
Speaker 1: where he is as a second year quarterback. It's just
Speaker 1: the expectations were raised so high by the way he
Speaker 1: played last year and if he if he needs an
Speaker 1: all pro running back to function at that level, I
Speaker 1: think that's understandable. Did they did they let me I
Speaker 1: see this real quick? I'm sorry if they did, knowing
Speaker 1: what was going to happen, did they get a false
Speaker 1: sense of security you like in training camp? Did they
Speaker 1: not prepare for what the losses Zeke was going to be?
Speaker 1: I think that is exactly right. It's see did they
Speaker 1: miss evaluate? What knew this was coming? I said, I
Speaker 1: said all offseason. I have a hard time kicking him
Speaker 1: for it because I said all offseason, I was like,
Speaker 1: well every game he kept playing was like, ho cheez,
Speaker 1: we got another week. Well not only that, another week,
Speaker 1: but no. But I mean they prepared for it, Like,
Speaker 1: what more do you want besides two thousand yard backs
Speaker 1: in the backfield. Oh, they prepared for that, but one
Speaker 1: of them that you like, don't keep McFadden for I mean,
Speaker 1: they obviously didn't like him. What would have happened, I mean,
Speaker 1: what happened to change from starting the preseason game to
Speaker 1: neither playing at all? Yeah, so they should have done
Speaker 1: this younger back to try to see if he can
Speaker 1: find it. Go to someone's practice squad, steal someone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: somebody younger. And I mean, I like one veteran, but
Speaker 1: I don't. You don't need to. And they obviously didn't want.
Speaker 1: We talk about protecting themselves, which yeah, absolutely, but they
Speaker 1: didn't mean they just totally discarded McFadden. Is it possible,
Speaker 1: like we're talking about like we understold Zeke's importance, Like
Speaker 1: do you think they did too. Like man, that's why
Speaker 1: I'm asking. I don't. Yeah, that's that arrogance of like
Speaker 1: we do what we do. Not only that, but like
Speaker 1: next man up and all that stuff. But the age
Speaker 1: old thing you heard all last year, there's like anybody
Speaker 1: can run behind this line. Like I mean, yeah, Zeke's
Speaker 1: better than most, but like anybody can. What do we
Speaker 1: misevaluate the most coming out of training camp? Uh, taco See.
Speaker 1: It would be easy to say Dak, but I think
Speaker 1: when he had Zeke with him, he was playing great,
Speaker 1: playing playing really like we were talking about bat you know,
Speaker 1: if you can remember back that far in early October,
Speaker 1: Like his numbers were comparable with Carson Wentz, who's having
Speaker 1: an MVP year. They were neck and neck for about
Speaker 1: seven weeks. They were numbers. I'm just talking about coming
Speaker 1: out of Oxnard. We misseevaluate the most that noise I
Speaker 1: made was about the what I'm about to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I think they misseevaluated the wide receiver. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has been to the level that
Speaker 1: they want and need him to be. I just don't
Speaker 1: I mean talking about is I just don't think that
Speaker 1: that they get that kind of production out of it.
Speaker 1: They you want to believe that they can lean on him,
Speaker 1: and they just haven't been able to. And I think
Speaker 1: part of that is Dak too. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's just Daz. I think I think Da. What
Speaker 1: I'm scared of is it goes to another team, Like
Speaker 1: he could go to another quarterback and he could put
Speaker 1: up unbelievable numbers. I really do. Here's what upsets me.
Speaker 1: I understand the yeah, miss evaluation, the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a few games, but you have a whole coaching staff.
Speaker 1: You have a whole staff, like I don't even know
Speaker 1: what the total number is, but you have professionals, a
Speaker 1: whole group who sit in a room or not. I
Speaker 1: don't know how they do it, but where they get
Speaker 1: together evaluate all of these interchange opinions between one another,
Speaker 1: watch everything that's going on, and after several games have happened,
Speaker 1: or even what you see in practice, you should have
Speaker 1: a fair look and idea of what each person can
Speaker 1: and cannot do. So the whole miss evaluating, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: works for a little bit, but then you get to
Speaker 1: a point like, okay, somebody fix something. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much. I think a lot of times, and fans
Speaker 1: do it, and I think, you know, decision makers do
Speaker 1: it too. You see what you want to see and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, he'll he'll step up, he'll take the
Speaker 1: next step, He'll do this. And I've admitted about some
Speaker 1: of the things on defense, you know, Mollie Collins, you know, yeah, him,
Speaker 1: I admit about Byron Jones, you know ad about I
Speaker 1: admit about Anthy Brown. It's evaluating coming on a training camp.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was? Was he our camp MVP O Iron? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're saying at a great camp. See I'm
Speaker 1: saying though, you know, you look at this situation. You're thinking, well,
Speaker 1: these guys, if they step up their game, we think sorry, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I we I don't know. Offensively, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you make a point about the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: I think the wide receiver position as a whole, a whole.
Speaker 1: It's as a whole. I mean you can point the figure.
Speaker 1: I mean, because we all tend to point the figure
Speaker 1: to the guy that makes the most money because it's like,
Speaker 1: well they're paying him. It's like fans love to do
Speaker 1: that with Tyron Crawford. Yeah, he's making them. He's got
Speaker 1: to make you know, you know what, I think. I
Speaker 1: think there's a we miss evaluated really what DeMarcus Lords
Speaker 1: could do. There's a boatload side. There's a boatload of
Speaker 1: really talented players on this team, but I wonder how
Speaker 1: many of them right now are capable of creating and
Speaker 1: producing without next like big time help, you know, like
Speaker 1: Da Dak needs Zeke and and Dez. The defense needs Zeke. Well,
Speaker 1: the defense needs Zeke, The defense needs see Sean Lee
Speaker 1: might be the only guy I can think of who
Speaker 1: like he he makes all that much of the difference
Speaker 1: all on his own, Like we finally saw them handle
Speaker 1: the game without that. Yeah, that's true, True, that's true.
Speaker 1: I just think of you know, Odell Beckham. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm so confident he would be producing despite how bad
Speaker 1: this team is, you know, like he'd still be having
Speaker 1: a great year even with no protection and bad quarterback play.
Speaker 1: I think he's that type of playmaker that he finds
Speaker 1: a way. I don't you don't see you haven't seen
Speaker 1: that from these guys really across the board. And I
Speaker 1: think that's that's a problem. Is basically if it's if
Speaker 1: it's not all just clicking just so the way you
Speaker 1: designed it, it hasn't looked good. And you can blame
Speaker 1: the decision making, the evaluating whatever you want, but that's
Speaker 1: just sort of season the same path. I guess that's
Speaker 1: who they are. I think I think you can go
Speaker 1: that path though. You just got it. You got to
Speaker 1: do a better job of acting yourself. Whether that's it
Speaker 1: running back, whether that's adding receiver help, whatever, you've just
Speaker 1: got to do it. You can't count on everything going right. Ye,
Speaker 1: great discussion today, Thank you, thank you for coming, right
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