Speaker 1: Welcome to Part Glandia from my Heart Radio. This is
Speaker 1: a podcast about national parks and life on the road
Speaker 1: in an r V. I'm Brad Carowac and normally i
Speaker 1: co host this show with my husband Matt, but I'll
Speaker 1: be taking to lead on today's episode. You may notice
Speaker 1: that this week we sound a little different. I'm recording
Speaker 1: from our r V and in this episode you'll be
Speaker 1: hearing quite a few phone calls. And here is why
Speaker 1: that is. As you probably know, coronavirus and the disease
Speaker 1: it causes, COVID nineteen are keeping people sheltered in their homes.
Speaker 1: It's caused massive disruptions across the country and has made
Speaker 1: a lot of people very sick and has even caused
Speaker 1: some deaths. Like I said, you probably know all of that.
Speaker 1: One thing you may not know is how it impacts
Speaker 1: people who are on the road full time, like Matt
Speaker 1: and myself and countless others across the country. Over the weekend,
Speaker 1: r V parks and campgrounds began shutting down, turning away campers,
Speaker 1: and evicting people. When this news first went through the
Speaker 1: community of full timers and van life is it created
Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty. We didn't know how we're going
Speaker 1: to be displaced or where we were going to be displaced.
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about that with some of
Speaker 1: the folks who have been affected and others who are
Speaker 1: trying to help. The first person I heard from is
Speaker 1: Sean Miller. He's a fellow listener and a new found
Speaker 1: friend who've connected with over our Park Lando Arrangers Facebook group.
Speaker 1: Sean had been staying at a campground in New Mexico
Speaker 1: when the r V park gave him the news he
Speaker 1: couldn't extend his day. Before we go into the details
Speaker 1: on this call, we want you to know that the
Speaker 1: state of Mexico did not shut down all of their
Speaker 1: r V parks, But in the moment of this call,
Speaker 1: Sean just read the signs that were posted on the
Speaker 1: r V park doors from the Health Department, and that
Speaker 1: is the message he received. Seeing these official notices on
Speaker 1: the doors of this RV park was scary, a very
Speaker 1: scary situation to be in. Sean is okay, and you
Speaker 1: will hear him say, New Mexico r V parks are
Speaker 1: all closed throughout the state. But we found out later
Speaker 1: that day through research that that was not the place.
Speaker 1: We were simply just getting ready for our listener trivia
Speaker 1: game that we're hosting over the weekend, when we found
Speaker 1: ourselves on this call with Sean. Hey, this is Brad. Hey,
Speaker 1: Brad It Sean Miller. Hey, how you doing? Oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out. I just got kicked out of my
Speaker 1: RV park. So that was on the phone with the
Speaker 1: people this morning. So what's going on? Um? Well, I
Speaker 1: just I just found a place to stay, luckily, but
Speaker 1: New Mexico is shutting down all r V park, not
Speaker 1: allowing any new residents and not allowing current residents to
Speaker 1: extend their current reservations. So you know, my reservation was
Speaker 1: through tomorrow. So um yeah, needless to say, I I know,
Speaker 1: needless to say. I don't think I'm gonna be able
Speaker 1: to make it down to you in Houston unfortunately. No,
Speaker 1: of course, of course. I mean right now, you gotta
Speaker 1: just see where you're at and where you can go. Um,
Speaker 1: so where are you headed? Have you figured that out?
Speaker 1: I have my fund me enough. My doctor has been
Speaker 1: watching my dogs this week offered to put me on
Speaker 1: her land, So, um, I think that's gonna work at
Speaker 1: least for a few days. Well that's good. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean that's I mean, that's like our worst fear, right.
Speaker 1: I mean people are just scrambling right now, trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what to do and where to go and
Speaker 1: are you still pretty settled with your plan from Houston. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we're actually be extended here um to make sure
Speaker 1: that we're not to just see what's going on the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, because yeah, that's probably smart to
Speaker 1: be safe, right, I mean, exactly what you're going through
Speaker 1: and night now is something that we I don't want
Speaker 1: to go through, um, and so we're trying to make
Speaker 1: sure before we go out and start traveling that we
Speaker 1: can do it responsibly. I mean, not saying that you weren't.
Speaker 1: So uh so you said you have a place to
Speaker 1: stay in the next couple of days. I do, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so very lucky, but also feeling a little bit more
Speaker 1: relaxed than when I woke up this morning, so I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't imagine, like did they just come
Speaker 1: and knock on your door and say, hey, it's time
Speaker 1: to get out, or like how did they know? They
Speaker 1: didn't actually say anything, They just hung a sign on
Speaker 1: the office sat Park closed. So I went in there
Speaker 1: today to talk with them, and that's when they told
Speaker 1: me that they wouldn't be able to extend it. But
Speaker 1: they just put that sign up like two days ago.
Speaker 1: So if I had gone in three days ago, I
Speaker 1: probably could have extended it. That is that's great, is
Speaker 1: what it is. And you know that's the problem with
Speaker 1: this this lifestyle is there's not always those protections for
Speaker 1: us UM. Where people are living in their r V traveling,
Speaker 1: you have to go through a lot of loopholes and
Speaker 1: you know, we just have to adapt, you know. That's Uh,
Speaker 1: that's part of this lifestyle. People don't understand and we
Speaker 1: all know it in the back from mind, but we're like,
Speaker 1: nothing big is ever gonna happen, UM, and then something
Speaker 1: big happens and we just have to figure out what
Speaker 1: to do. So that's the um crazy part and somehow
Speaker 1: we always do figure it out. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: us the r V because of that, right we all
Speaker 1: come together. So Sean is lucky that he was able
Speaker 1: to make other living arrangements when his campsite shut down.
Speaker 1: Not everyone is that lucky. One person who caught wind
Speaker 1: of this problem early on was Chris Comber. Chris is
Speaker 1: someone who started full timing about a year ago and
Speaker 1: now is staying just outside of his business instead of
Speaker 1: traveling throughout the country. Chris took to Facebook to try
Speaker 1: to help van life and full time campers who are
Speaker 1: displaced find homes during this situation. So I hopped on
Speaker 1: the phone with him and here is his call. Um,
Speaker 1: So I see that you started a Facebook group for
Speaker 1: displaced r V and full timers. Um, what what what
Speaker 1: made you do that? So? Um? I grew up on
Speaker 1: a small lake in Arkansas that's ran about the Corbette
Speaker 1: Steers and recently, you know the thing, It was Wednesday
Speaker 1: we got notification if they were shutting the camp grounds
Speaker 1: down as of tomorrow. I believe that, you know, anybody
Speaker 1: that was there had to be had to be out.
Speaker 1: There were gonna lock the gates, they were shutting utilities off.
Speaker 1: And I posted that in the escape Ers Facebook group. UM,
Speaker 1: and the comments and the responses to that were I
Speaker 1: realized a lot of places are shutting down, a lot
Speaker 1: of the state parks, a lot of the public use
Speaker 1: lands that a lot of people depend on the park,
Speaker 1: their the RVs, and UH kind of put two and
Speaker 1: two together with you know, I have a lot of
Speaker 1: friends that that owned restaurants or other businesses that are
Speaker 1: being closed to the public. Um and just felt like
Speaker 1: there was there was gonna be space of the it's available.
Speaker 1: It may not be ideal, but you're you know, we've
Speaker 1: we've got a lot, We've got a large full time
Speaker 1: RVY community, yeah, you know. And so I was trying
Speaker 1: to just be think about creative places that people could
Speaker 1: go if the places they typically depend on are no
Speaker 1: longer available. Absolutely, and I think that displaced nomads and
Speaker 1: full time our vs. Relocation resource is going to be
Speaker 1: super important to full timers and van lifers out there. Um.
Speaker 1: Now you have this pretty structured and I loved seeing that.
Speaker 1: And so basically what I saw was in your about section,
Speaker 1: you have strict rules because they need to be followed
Speaker 1: because it really helps people understand what is needed. So
Speaker 1: I've heard this Facebook group together pretty quick. I was
Speaker 1: home for lunch, you know, and just had had an
Speaker 1: hour and a half or so to spend on it.
Speaker 1: And another gentleman came along with a lot of experience
Speaker 1: with Facebook groups, Richard Dean Star. He's and he's been
Speaker 1: phenomenal in creating the formats and the subgroups of of
Speaker 1: the group and he really helped me see how important
Speaker 1: that format was, and so we've had a lot of
Speaker 1: people get frustrated over it. But the point of it
Speaker 1: is is within a group, Facebook has created a search
Speaker 1: engine by going up to the search bar, and so
Speaker 1: if we keep post to very concise, pertinent information, it
Speaker 1: makes that search feature super super powerful. So basically what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do is we're trying to point this out. Though,
Speaker 1: So if you go to this Facebook group, it's a
Speaker 1: public group, it's so far I've seen people with amazing response, UM,
Speaker 1: people that are saying, hey, we have our land open,
Speaker 1: give us a call, you know, we this is what
Speaker 1: we need, um, can anybody help? And I love that
Speaker 1: because right now, during this time, that's what people need.
Speaker 1: So I think this is a fantastic resource along with
Speaker 1: if you've ever heard of campadm dot com, they have
Speaker 1: a blog and their updating daily the closures by states,
Speaker 1: by counties, um, by cities, you know, to make sure
Speaker 1: that people are getting the best resources out there. UM.
Speaker 1: So I think the two of these combined is going
Speaker 1: to be a great resource for a lot of people
Speaker 1: they're looking for where to go, what to do. UM. Luckily,
Speaker 1: Matt and I were in Houston right now and we're
Speaker 1: at an r V park and it's completely fine at
Speaker 1: the moment. We have a space until the first unless
Speaker 1: we need to extend UM. But there's a lot of
Speaker 1: our followers that don't have that. So the resource that
Speaker 1: you're providing is UM is amazing really, So your current situation,
Speaker 1: you're fine. You've got room, you've got space for your self,
Speaker 1: and your family is taken care of. I do. We
Speaker 1: We bought our first RV UH brought out a year
Speaker 1: ago and moved into it shortly there after a full
Speaker 1: time I've owned a brick and mortar business for about
Speaker 1: sixteen years, and so we were parked at the business.
Speaker 1: It's taken a little longer to just to close this
Speaker 1: business down and I had to anticipated, so you know
Speaker 1: that at the moment, there's been frustrations about that along
Speaker 1: the way, but today I feel blessed to not have
Speaker 1: to worry about where I gotta go to borrow. You know.
Speaker 1: The Facebook group Chris Combers set up once again is
Speaker 1: Displaced Nomads and our Viears, and we'll have a link
Speaker 1: to that in our show notes. We're fortunate to have
Speaker 1: folks like Chris providing a form for people to share
Speaker 1: resources for those who aren't living on the road. It
Speaker 1: may be hard to imagine the impact that these shutdowns
Speaker 1: can have. It's not just simply losing a parking space.
Speaker 1: It's so much more complex than that. To give you
Speaker 1: an idea of just how disruptive this is, I spoke
Speaker 1: with Megan McNichol. She is my cousin and is also
Speaker 1: a van liver. She was in San Francisco and all
Speaker 1: of this was unfolding, and thankfully she is not there anymore.
Speaker 1: And we'll get into that, but let's get into our conversation.
Speaker 1: Hey Megan, how you doing good? How are you good? Um?
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me on this call. Um.
Speaker 1: We are talking about our view and van living and
Speaker 1: the current situation of COVID nineteen. And I'm so glad
Speaker 1: that you decided to join us today. Yeah, thanks for
Speaker 1: asking me to be a part of this. Absolutely so.
Speaker 1: When you were living in San Francisco doing the van
Speaker 1: life movement, Um, you were telling me that you what's
Speaker 1: your normal routine, like, how do you shower, what do
Speaker 1: you where do you get your internet from? What are
Speaker 1: what are your normal routines throughout your day. Yeah. So UM,
Speaker 1: I have a gym membership UM, and that's where I
Speaker 1: do my showering. UM. I also UM do not have
Speaker 1: a fridge right now. UM in the process of UH
Speaker 1: doing my own bill, so I have to go to
Speaker 1: the grocery store daily, UM in order to be able
Speaker 1: to eat like fresh and also to stack up on
Speaker 1: water because my water system right now is is homemade.
Speaker 1: So I get UM like to gallon and five gallon
Speaker 1: jugs or UM water we fill from grocery stores as well. UM.
Speaker 1: And so one of the first things that happened for
Speaker 1: me is, UM, all the water was gone, so along
Speaker 1: with all the hand sanitizers and toilet deeper UM, my
Speaker 1: ability to get water was gone. And then UM, I
Speaker 1: go to coffee shops UH daily for my internet service,
Speaker 1: so that when they started clothing the gyms and UM
Speaker 1: stores and restaurants and things like that, my ability to
Speaker 1: UM stay connect did and to shower daily. UM. Those
Speaker 1: scenes went away. And so what the major impact for
Speaker 1: me to decide to leave UM San Francisco was when
Speaker 1: the cruise ship decided to dock there and they were
Speaker 1: predicting that the cases were really gonna surge, and I
Speaker 1: just didn't want to be in a place that was,
Speaker 1: you know, high risk, and I had the ability to
Speaker 1: leave h So I figured that that was just kind
Speaker 1: of the smartest decision for for my well being, considering
Speaker 1: I didn't have any access to any public places anymore. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's just that's a lot to go through in a
Speaker 1: matter of days, because I mean it's like not even days,
Speaker 1: probably felt like hours because of how fast everything was developing.
Speaker 1: And it's just been hectic for everybody right now. And
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that you were back safe with family.
Speaker 1: I know from talking to other family members they're happy
Speaker 1: that you're back and that you're safe. UM, But just
Speaker 1: to hear about those daily routines and how they're impacted
Speaker 1: by such a thing. You know, as our years and
Speaker 1: full van lifers, we we kind of prepare for these
Speaker 1: situations UM in the back of our head because you
Speaker 1: have to. You're forced to, because the way that we
Speaker 1: move throughout the United States, UM changes on a daily
Speaker 1: to weekly basis, and she always have to be ready
Speaker 1: to adapt. UM. Luckily, from Matt Night, we do have
Speaker 1: a full fridge, UM, and we were able to go
Speaker 1: to the growth store and stock up, and we have
Speaker 1: water from tap um that's filtered through our filter process,
Speaker 1: and we have a enclosed shower and those kind of
Speaker 1: amenities that a lot of people have, but in the
Speaker 1: full time van life movement, a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: have because they are currently working on building them out
Speaker 1: like you are. So you're going through that transition of
Speaker 1: building those out. How long going to take you to
Speaker 1: get to San Francisco to where you are now? UH?
Speaker 1: So I actually moved to San Francisco in February UM,
Speaker 1: and UH I was looking for I work in the
Speaker 1: restaurant industry, so I was looking for UM that type
Speaker 1: of employment. UM and I have been following the news
Speaker 1: pretty closely because I was watching like election stuff and
Speaker 1: how that was all unfolding, which is when the coronavirus
Speaker 1: UM news started coming out. So I had been paying
Speaker 1: attention to it UM pretty consistently and UM I had
Speaker 1: been weighing my options pretty early on. So UM I
Speaker 1: decided to leave UM. How uh San Francisco area before
Speaker 1: they went into the same place in the lockdown and
Speaker 1: all of those things. And fortunately I do have UM
Speaker 1: family support, so I'm able to do things like stay
Speaker 1: with my sister where I've been for a week, and
Speaker 1: then I'm also considering going back to the Midwest where uh,
Speaker 1: where my mom lives, so that I can you know,
Speaker 1: be able to have the support of family too, to
Speaker 1: stay with what until you know, I have access to
Speaker 1: the gym and you know, uh, these resources in the
Speaker 1: grocery store. Yeah, exactly, no, absolutely, And you know, even
Speaker 1: with that, you have to plan on how to get
Speaker 1: there and when it's the right time to do that.
Speaker 1: So just because you're in a safe location now doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that you're planning stops. And that's what a lot
Speaker 1: of people I don't think understand within the full time
Speaker 1: and fan life movement is that you're consistently planning and
Speaker 1: organizing your trips, your routes, your activities, um, fuel stops
Speaker 1: to water stops, restroom breaks, um. And there's so much
Speaker 1: involved within that and right or like gas stations like
Speaker 1: are they going to be open? Am I going to
Speaker 1: be able to hit enough of them to travel across
Speaker 1: the country like that's or you know, our state's going
Speaker 1: to go into lockdown where maybe it's not okay for
Speaker 1: me to be traveling, you know, through them, And I
Speaker 1: want to be mindful of you know, everyone's fears. And
Speaker 1: you know, I've been rather self quarantined UM, and I
Speaker 1: don't have the virus as far as I know, UM,
Speaker 1: but I just you know, I want to reduce any
Speaker 1: fears by um, not coming into contact with other people
Speaker 1: and you know, just having them have that fear of
Speaker 1: does she have it? Or also to get it from
Speaker 1: someone else. Absolutely, especially because like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: small talents right now that are stopping public and private camping.
Speaker 1: And that's just because their hospitals don't have the resources
Speaker 1: like the bigger cities do. UM. And the thing with
Speaker 1: these shelter influence is good, but when you shut down
Speaker 1: things like public and private camping, it displaces a lot
Speaker 1: of people and they have to then travel through these
Speaker 1: small towns to get back to a safe space much
Speaker 1: like your house. UM. We've been talking to people about UM.
Speaker 1: They're opening up to their friends. UM. There are lots
Speaker 1: of land UM and things like that. So it's just
Speaker 1: one of those things that we're all trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how to do this with social responsibility. UM. And
Speaker 1: that's including today take away that fuel, that bread from
Speaker 1: a small town, that toilet paper from a small town.
Speaker 1: So for those people that don't have family to go
Speaker 1: to right now, UM, try to relay on some friends. UM.
Speaker 1: If you're having troubles, there's resources out there. We're gonna
Speaker 1: be posting them on our park Landia Facebook UM and
Speaker 1: our park Landia Rangers Facebook group. UM, so that way
Speaker 1: you have those resources. And Megan, I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on and telling your story today because it's going
Speaker 1: to help people make these decisions and help them move
Speaker 1: um where they need to to protect themselves and others
Speaker 1: while they find themselves in these similar situations. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: and thank you Bradley. I love seeing this like this
Speaker 1: is what we need right now in our society is
Speaker 1: to see that there's carrying compassionate people who who do
Speaker 1: want to help others, and there are ways for us
Speaker 1: to reach out and to and to be connected in
Speaker 1: these uncertain times and see that there is love and
Speaker 1: there is compassion and that's how we get through things
Speaker 1: like this. So thank you Bradley for everything that you're
Speaker 1: doing for this community. That was Megan McNichol. You're listening
Speaker 1: to park Landia. We'll be back in just a moment.
Speaker 1: I'm Brad Kerouac and this is park landing. In today's episode,
Speaker 1: we're talking to folks living in the full time and
Speaker 1: van life communities and about how they're being affected by
Speaker 1: the coronavirus outbreak and the resources that are in place
Speaker 1: for them. My next call is with Jason Epperson. When
Speaker 1: I caught up with him, he was at a private
Speaker 1: campcown just outside of Sedona. And here is our call.
Speaker 1: I'm Jason Epperson. I am the one of the editors
Speaker 1: at r V miles dot com UH, and with my
Speaker 1: wife and I we UH. We're full time travelers and
Speaker 1: we host the RV Miles podcast where we talk about
Speaker 1: our travels and what's going on in the r V industry.
Speaker 1: And we host the American's National Parks podcast, which is
Speaker 1: sort of a storytelling history UH type show, and the
Speaker 1: The America Podcast, which is UH which is similar in
Speaker 1: in and Scalpe to the American's National Parks podcast, but
Speaker 1: it's about sort of American road trip destinations like car
Speaker 1: Hinge at are you guys in a good places? Are?
Speaker 1: We're in Arizona. We were at a private campground just
Speaker 1: for the week. UM when all this started to happen
Speaker 1: and UH, we decided to add UH just go to
Speaker 1: a monthly rate. So we're just kind of pulled up
Speaker 1: here near near Sedona. Have you have you found any
Speaker 1: like resources yet for um like news relating to RB
Speaker 1: closures and campgrounds And yeah, yeah, I've got several uh
Speaker 1: several good options, um, a lot of them. Uh as
Speaker 1: far as closures go, there's there's a couple of websites
Speaker 1: that have been tracking very closely, UM Campendium and uh
Speaker 1: and uh A Rootless Living is doing an excellent job
Speaker 1: of it. Um Rootless as well. Yes, they're a new
Speaker 1: uh there are a new magazine. It's an actual print
Speaker 1: magazine forum for anybody that's not just our views, but
Speaker 1: anybody who's sort of you know, digital nomad type person. Um.
Speaker 1: But they so they have been tracking closures, but they've
Speaker 1: also created a resource that just uh they just launched it,
Speaker 1: but and it's just starting to populate. But it's a
Speaker 1: um basically a listing page where campgrounds can put uh
Speaker 1: you know that that that they have availability and that
Speaker 1: they do long term stays for anybody that's displaced right
Speaker 1: now that's uh have openings and such. Um. So that's
Speaker 1: really good. UM. I'm also I've just for our episode
Speaker 1: of r V miles that released today. I interviewed UM
Speaker 1: woman named G. G. Stettler who is who runs this
Speaker 1: nonprofit called the RV Advisors to run an RV dealership. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're in Florida. UM, but she so she she
Speaker 1: owns a dealership, but she also has this nonprofit and
Speaker 1: what they're doing is basically she's taking all the used
Speaker 1: inventory on her lot and offering it up for UM
Speaker 1: for first responders, for uh, for healthcare workers, anybody that
Speaker 1: might need it, but also uh also anybody that's you know,
Speaker 1: homeless or uh or can't get back to their r
Speaker 1: V and stuff. And so they're doing that in Florida.
Speaker 1: But then she's also creating a network across the country
Speaker 1: of getting other dealers in on it um to to help.
Speaker 1: And she's also uh if people are are at home
Speaker 1: and have their RV and are willing to loan it out. UM,
Speaker 1: she's also creating a resource where you can loan doubt
Speaker 1: for not only for workers, but people that need to
Speaker 1: be quarantined. And then uh they'll pay uh the average
Speaker 1: daily rental rate to you. So if you're somebody's lost
Speaker 1: your job and you still have this RV and you,
Speaker 1: you know, you need to pay your loan on it
Speaker 1: and stuff you can. You can loan it out and
Speaker 1: they'll pay you for it, and then they have a
Speaker 1: two week process where they clean it and sanitize it
Speaker 1: and everything. So there's a few different things going on
Speaker 1: out there, of course. I mean Camp Indium. I was
Speaker 1: talking to them a little bit about what they're trying
Speaker 1: to do escape these r V club they're trying to do,
Speaker 1: UM lobbying UM truck campers, Yeah, dot com or Truck
Speaker 1: Camper magazine. Dot com has created a petition. UM. I
Speaker 1: see National Park Traveler. They're talking about the National Park
Speaker 1: closures and it's just amazing all these resources that are
Speaker 1: out there and right now I'm trying to consolidate them
Speaker 1: all into an area so people can get there that
Speaker 1: they met exactly. Yeah, I've been talking with UM a
Speaker 1: couple of the uh, the RV park associations in different states,
Speaker 1: and they're they're lobbying real hard to stay open UM.
Speaker 1: I know UM that UH, they've they've sort of been
Speaker 1: working together in the states that they already have shelter
Speaker 1: in place going on or some version of it to
Speaker 1: to stay open because there there have been areas where
Speaker 1: private parks are closed, like I know, the Florida Keys
Speaker 1: is completely shut down and they have asked all um
Speaker 1: travelers and transient people to to leave. A county at
Speaker 1: Presidio County, Texas has done the same moab utah so UM.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these parts are housing traveling nurses
Speaker 1: and doctors and UH and oil field workers, you know,
Speaker 1: people that that are doing their jobs or you know
Speaker 1: they're they're like a million full timers on the road too,
Speaker 1: But that pales in comparison to the number of snowbirds
Speaker 1: that are down in warmer climates that are you know,
Speaker 1: looking forward to heading home somewhere and uh and that
Speaker 1: route home is a little scary to a lot of
Speaker 1: them right now. Oh yeah, yeah, you have full time workers,
Speaker 1: you have UM like you said, you have the snowbirds,
Speaker 1: you have you just have resvers. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: dangerous things going on and you know, you gotta be careful.
Speaker 1: But by uplifting all these people, it actually creates more panic,
Speaker 1: especially within our community exactly, and it creates more travelers,
Speaker 1: it makes it it's forcing people a lot of these
Speaker 1: snowbirds that would be happy to stay where they are. UM,
Speaker 1: to to make that journey back to Minnesota, Wisconsin or
Speaker 1: whatever from Florida and New Mexico and California. And it's
Speaker 1: not that they're betting thee to see if they're sick.
Speaker 1: So when they go to that gas station, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's where it's scary. Yeah. And and a lot
Speaker 1: of the parks are are filling up because the private
Speaker 1: park because the public parks are closing, everybody is more.
Speaker 1: Can you know, there's more people combined to a smaller
Speaker 1: space at a lot of a lot of private parks.
Speaker 1: But it's it's not terrible. It's just that I think
Speaker 1: these organizations like the campground associations, if they can continue
Speaker 1: to do some lobbing to let the government know that hey,
Speaker 1: we're not just like a place where people come hang
Speaker 1: out and party. We're an essential service and and call
Speaker 1: for a nuanced approach to closures. You know. I think
Speaker 1: if a state can say, instead of saying we're closing
Speaker 1: all of our campgrounds today, why not say, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're self contained and you're already here, you can
Speaker 1: stay in the park as long as you need to,
Speaker 1: and we're not going to bring in any new travelers,
Speaker 1: you know, or local people could come camp or whatever
Speaker 1: it might be. So there everyone's in such unique situations
Speaker 1: that like they're trying to do it one size f
Speaker 1: at all and it actually just makes it worse for
Speaker 1: everybody else. Yeah, a lot of a lot of r vs.
Speaker 1: We forget a lot of the smaller r vs, a
Speaker 1: little peer drop trailers and stuff. A lot of them
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of vans, a lot of custom
Speaker 1: build vans stuff. A lot of them don't have bathroom
Speaker 1: facilities at all. And even if you're in a private park,
Speaker 1: the one we're staying in, they've closed the bathrooms. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: if if they're they're they're doing an excellent job here,
Speaker 1: Like if you had a special need like that, they'd
Speaker 1: open one up for you or whatever. But um, and
Speaker 1: I think private park is weird because we're we're generally uh,
Speaker 1: state federal park type of people and we probably spend
Speaker 1: ten percent of our time and in private parks, and
Speaker 1: you know, I think private parks are are sort of
Speaker 1: the ones we're looking to now, and they're actually doing
Speaker 1: an excellent job of sort of figuring without and closing
Speaker 1: their facilities but keeping the place open for campers and
Speaker 1: cleaning like, at least this place is constantly cleaning everything.
Speaker 1: They've kept the laundromat open but closed every every third
Speaker 1: machine to help keep people separated. And they've installed handwashing
Speaker 1: facilities and the hand sanitizer there. Yeah, so a party
Speaker 1: is doing a fantabitous job as well. You know, there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of credit that needs to go out
Speaker 1: to them. I also know that KOA is keeping a
Speaker 1: you know, they've got five campgrounds, so they're that they're
Speaker 1: they're keeping a special web page for Coronavirus Open where
Speaker 1: they list the ones that are closed, and there are
Speaker 1: only six that are closed right now, at least as
Speaker 1: the last time I checked yesterday, and uh, and they're
Speaker 1: really trying to keep up to date on resources for
Speaker 1: for people. They're allowing people to cancel without any fees
Speaker 1: and stuff like that too. Absolutely, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's a great approach. And I was looking at that
Speaker 1: because Matt writes for Kowas blog. Um oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that that was excellent that they
Speaker 1: are telling people how they're handling the situation, which will
Speaker 1: only help other r V parks. So even if you're
Speaker 1: an r V park owner, you can watch what the
Speaker 1: KOWA is doing, and that will help you protect your
Speaker 1: UM travelers. Um, yeah, exactly, sheltering in place right now.
Speaker 1: And they're they're and they the parks are they really
Speaker 1: are all talking to each other, especially through their state
Speaker 1: associations and stuff, and and looking to their state association
Speaker 1: to get of them advice and and and those people
Speaker 1: are the ones that are sort of directly talking to
Speaker 1: the government and getting you know, information about whether pools
Speaker 1: should be closed, you know, about where the restrooms should
Speaker 1: be closed, that sort of stuff. They're there, at least
Speaker 1: if they're members of the state association and from a
Speaker 1: few associations I've talked to. They're trying to be essential
Speaker 1: resource and create a sort of network and filter that
Speaker 1: information down to all their member campgrounds. Yeah. That's absolutely amazing, um.
Speaker 1: And just to keep on hearing that that good news
Speaker 1: of like how people are trying to come together. Another
Speaker 1: one that I found was Displaced Nomads in Full Time
Speaker 1: Our Years Relocation Resource. It's a Facebook group that just
Speaker 1: started a couple of days ago. Yeah, I saw that good, um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I talked to him, uh, one of
Speaker 1: the people who started it a little bit earlier, just
Speaker 1: to to see what he was and you know, it's
Speaker 1: all just came from a genuine place of trying to
Speaker 1: help others. And I think that that's fantastic that there's
Speaker 1: that resource as well. UM and you know, resources are
Speaker 1: popping in up daily and by the minute, the new
Speaker 1: things are coming up, and so I think it's a
Speaker 1: it's safe to say that there's an amazing response to
Speaker 1: what's going on, so well, we can all be scared.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of great out there. Well. One of
Speaker 1: the interesting things too, though, is that I think this
Speaker 1: points to what the issues we're having right now, points
Speaker 1: to what some of the major problems in the in
Speaker 1: the campground industry, Like we don't we don't have a
Speaker 1: hotel dot com. We don't have an Expedia where you know,
Speaker 1: you can go and book any hotel and compare rates
Speaker 1: and see what's available and that sort of stuff. And UH,
Speaker 1: I think that the campgrounds would be wise to get
Speaker 1: on board with something like that in the future. So
Speaker 1: I was also one of the things I was talking
Speaker 1: to one of the heads of UH, the head of
Speaker 1: a h Florida Campground Association, was talking to me about how,
Speaker 1: you know, we're the r V parks are a place
Speaker 1: where people shelter, where people get away from natural disasters,
Speaker 1: and we could still have you know, tornadoes and hurricanes
Speaker 1: and and all that sort of stuff during this pandemic,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's yeah, it's real critical that we
Speaker 1: keep those lines of support available for when something doubles
Speaker 1: down on top of it. Absolutely. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: think about that. And you know, I'm hoping that people
Speaker 1: within our states and federal governments are starting to think
Speaker 1: about this because there they need to get that correct
Speaker 1: messaging out there and reassure the people of what what
Speaker 1: their decisions are and what. Yeah, and you know, the
Speaker 1: important r V parks open. Yeah, And I know Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: had sort of retracted their order. They to Pennsylvania's shelter
Speaker 1: in Place order restricted all hotels and campgrounds except for
Speaker 1: residential RV parks, but it didn't it didn't clearly say
Speaker 1: what residential uh meant. But the Hotel Association got them
Speaker 1: to back off of that, um a bit. So I
Speaker 1: think I think they're going to be open. And I
Speaker 1: know the RV Industry Association has been working on this
Speaker 1: as well. Um, but I think that got reverted. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens as more and more states do this,
Speaker 1: because the more and more states certainly will be, you know,
Speaker 1: going forward with shelter and place restrictions. And it's unfortunately
Speaker 1: it's different in every statement, and you have to know
Speaker 1: what it means wherever you are. But I think that's
Speaker 1: just going to be the reality of it. You're listening
Speaker 1: to park Landia. We'll be back in just a moment.
Speaker 1: I'm Brad Kerouac, and this is park Landia. Of the
Speaker 1: many resources Jason discussed, I wanted to focus on compendium
Speaker 1: dot com, a dependable resource for full timers. I spoke
Speaker 1: with Leah who is the owner and founder along with
Speaker 1: her husband Brian, and here is our call. So what
Speaker 1: about what do you what are you guys doing today?
Speaker 1: Just working on campground closures. Yeah, it's it's truly, uh
Speaker 1: constant dream of closures or a percentage of camp front closed.
Speaker 1: So in the United States we're nine. Okay, well that's all.
Speaker 1: That's quite a bit. I mean, I'm sure like California
Speaker 1: and Utah are big hits on that. Yeah, all the
Speaker 1: state parks in California closed, you know the states, you know,
Speaker 1: the launder list of state parks, um that are closed
Speaker 1: and all Army Corps engineer um. And then it gets
Speaker 1: a little more granular um after that. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: was looking on your resources, the COVID nineteen resources on
Speaker 1: your website, and what I love about it is that
Speaker 1: you have direct links to like the official websites of
Speaker 1: these analogias. Yeah, you don't feel like we could maintain
Speaker 1: the We're trying to maintain the information throughout the day,
Speaker 1: but you know, things are changing so fast. And then
Speaker 1: we'll also were will you be asking the community just
Speaker 1: as as things as they're telling us that places are closed,
Speaker 1: we hope that the community would also advise the less
Speaker 1: places are open. So, you know, it's been it's been
Speaker 1: a great effort that um, you know, many people involved
Speaker 1: in providing the information. Absolutely, that's awesome. I'm really glad that,
Speaker 1: you know, It's it's crazy how the community is coming
Speaker 1: together and just really working to give the best advice
Speaker 1: and resources available. People are really using their brains and
Speaker 1: resources to like find different ways to help, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well it's I think we all feel so help us.
Speaker 1: So whatever whatever we can do at this point into
Speaker 1: we can't control the situation at all. Yeah, no, exactly,
Speaker 1: We realize it's a lot of our hands and all
Speaker 1: we could do is just being a good resource for
Speaker 1: each other. And I think that that's what's important in
Speaker 1: the end of all this. But I did also want
Speaker 1: to ask you, like, what what made you UM start compendium?
Speaker 1: Okay question um? Um, Yeah, So we actually my husband
Speaker 1: and I started to site so and UM and myself
Speaker 1: started UM campendium in UM, I guess two thousand twelve.
Speaker 1: We started the database, but that was that came after
Speaker 1: we had a different website and earlier UM website that
Speaker 1: we started in our first air stream that UM was
Speaker 1: her finding brick and mortar poker, uh, because we actually
Speaker 1: our relationships started over a poker game and home and yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so UM when we hit the road for
Speaker 1: the first time in two thousand and five, we um,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to continue playing poker. But back in
Speaker 1: those like Stone ages, UM, you couldn't just google, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever town you were in and then the word poker
Speaker 1: and expect to find all the results in the surrounding areas.
Speaker 1: You could only find the results in the town you
Speaker 1: were in. And um yeah, and so we would be
Speaker 1: camping in a location, UM, you know for a week
Speaker 1: and then move on. And then but because you know,
Speaker 1: we're like, wow, I could have been playing poker. So
Speaker 1: I'm planning how we started poker at lists instead of Campendium.
Speaker 1: But um, anyways, once we actually told that website, UM,
Speaker 1: we literally Brian worked on it for a year, um
Speaker 1: in the transition. But then the day he um stopped
Speaker 1: working on it, he started working on the database for Campendium.
Speaker 1: And basically the reason was, UM, we had taken four
Speaker 1: years off between trailers, and when we got back on
Speaker 1: the road in two thousand eleven, we expected that, um,
Speaker 1: you know, things would have improved as far as finding
Speaker 1: places to camp and they hadn't. Yeah, we you know,
Speaker 1: because I always wanted photos and we needed to know
Speaker 1: sell service because of our work. UM, you know, needed
Speaker 1: to be connected, and there was nothing, you know, there
Speaker 1: was nothing. And Brian was like, well we should do that,
Speaker 1: you know, we could do it right and then no way.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know much to work that is, um.
Speaker 1: And so basically, UM, I would like find you know,
Speaker 1: we'll set up the database for you and if you
Speaker 1: fill this database with information, then we'll build a front
Speaker 1: end for it. And that's what he does. That is amazing.
Speaker 1: I love that. How it also got off with rolling
Speaker 1: the dice too. Yeah, campground closures to make sure people
Speaker 1: get this resource. I mean like it's just that you're
Speaker 1: really working on You're you're working on something that I use.
Speaker 1: I use campendium for the last year and a half
Speaker 1: to kind of like get those exactly what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: and I love that. Yeah, and the closures, um as
Speaker 1: far as uh the virus related closures, um that well,
Speaker 1: we're adding um filtering for that on the website on Monday,
Speaker 1: and then the app should be a few days later.
Speaker 1: We'll have that updated as well to show closure. So
Speaker 1: that way, um, you would be able to select. I
Speaker 1: only want to see camp grants that are open right now,
Speaker 1: because really, who wants to click through and find a
Speaker 1: bunch of close camp grounds? Nobody. So hopefully we've been
Speaker 1: able to give you enough resources here to keep your
Speaker 1: float wherever you are and wherever you are headed. So
Speaker 1: now you've made it your destination. What now for some
Speaker 1: advice on how to maintain your peace of mind during
Speaker 1: these difficult times. I called up Kata Fanning, a business
Speaker 1: culture consultant and founder of well Vocation, and she had
Speaker 1: some advice on how to not get too distant. Wow,
Speaker 1: we socially distanced. So I just put out just a
Speaker 1: quick little list of tips that people can start with. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I put that out on yesterday. Actually, my
Speaker 1: brain is so muddled with what day day it is,
Speaker 1: but yes, that was yesterday. And you know, it's like
Speaker 1: we've kind of all been convinced right now that we've
Speaker 1: got to be refreshing the news every five minutes, we've
Speaker 1: got to check our email for the latest articles. We're
Speaker 1: all getting inundated with all that stuff. And so one
Speaker 1: of my first recommendations for people is take a media break. Um, yes,
Speaker 1: news is breaking all the time, but we really don't
Speaker 1: need to be stayed glued to it. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that happens when we do stay glued to
Speaker 1: it is it can send us into sort of a
Speaker 1: fight or flight state of mind. And I mean that
Speaker 1: can what we're our immune systems, that can make us
Speaker 1: feel more stressed. It can affect our our sleep, our
Speaker 1: overall well being. And so that was just one of
Speaker 1: my first hips was take a media break. Take at
Speaker 1: least three or four hours each day where you're not
Speaker 1: looking at your phone, turn the news off as long
Speaker 1: as we're checking in you know, at least a couple
Speaker 1: of times a day, and also checking in with the
Speaker 1: hard loved ones and safe timing and you know, doing
Speaker 1: as much connectivity via video DIFFERNT thing as we can.
Speaker 1: We're doing fine. I don't think that we need to
Speaker 1: be colluded. So that was my one tip. And then
Speaker 1: I have a lot of people because I've always worked remotely,
Speaker 1: and you know, I know that y'all do as well
Speaker 1: in many ways, so a lot of people are just
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how do I work remotely? And
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of helping clients navigate. Okay, well, if
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not set up for this, how
Speaker 1: can you just create little lap top desk space that
Speaker 1: is just yours and it feels right and it feels
Speaker 1: comfortable Because a lot of us are spending our days,
Speaker 1: you know, in our pjs, with our laptops, you know,
Speaker 1: on the sofa, and that might work for some of us,
Speaker 1: but it's not really the best workstation long term, I
Speaker 1: mean even for a week really, you know, And so
Speaker 1: I'm just encouraging people to really, um spend some time
Speaker 1: making a workspace that works for them and that doesn't
Speaker 1: need to even require spending much money or going out,
Speaker 1: but just making something that is quiet and peaceful and organized. Um.
Speaker 1: So just those two things. I think if people can
Speaker 1: focus on just creating a safe, good environment where they're
Speaker 1: not constantly eating up the media um, and then breathing exercises,
Speaker 1: I help. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I just read that. Um,
Speaker 1: like organic produce is down and pantry and sugary and
Speaker 1: flower based products are up. And hello people like if
Speaker 1: we're gone to quarantine and trying to keep ourselves well,
Speaker 1: this is not the time. Um. By all means like
Speaker 1: you know, get your comfort food. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: we just need to be eating kale, but I literally
Speaker 1: just read that thirty minutes ago, and I've had to
Speaker 1: hot pockets. Those are like my emergencies things. And I've
Speaker 1: had two hot pockets just because I've been stressed. Oh
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. It's all about the balance.
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I had macaroni and cheese this weekend,
Speaker 1: I will admit. So yeah, by all means, like you know,
Speaker 1: et a comfort food, make the fun pizzas with your
Speaker 1: with your kiddos, but um, find find the balance. And
Speaker 1: my dad just sent me a video of him working
Speaker 1: out with paint cans because he didn't even get to
Speaker 1: go to Academy before it closed down to get a kettlebell.
Speaker 1: So I was like cheering him on, like that's awesome
Speaker 1: because there's so many people that love going to the
Speaker 1: gym and now they're trying to figure out, Okay, how
Speaker 1: can I do this at home? And now is not
Speaker 1: the time for all of us to spend ten hours
Speaker 1: a day on the sofa. That's not going to do
Speaker 1: any of us any favors. So just you know, create
Speaker 1: a create Like someone said today, Oh, I really don't
Speaker 1: miss my alarm. I love not having one. And I
Speaker 1: was like, well, hold on, you know, and we don't
Speaker 1: have to wake up. Yeah, like re intrigue. Re entrigue
Speaker 1: is going to happen, and so it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot smoother and easier for physically, emotionally and mentally if
Speaker 1: we stick to some sort of routine right now for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course, That's what I've been talking to
Speaker 1: people about. As we we're playing trivia with um some
Speaker 1: listeners and UM we're interacting in different ways just to
Speaker 1: try to give them, uh some kind of something to
Speaker 1: look forward to that's an activity, um, something to keep
Speaker 1: them busy, to keep their kids busy, so you can
Speaker 1: have ten minutes in the bathroom to cry, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: It is that union through this and UM and so yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, when I was talking about this, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a lot about displaced people within the RV communities
Speaker 1: for those people that are, and it's people that are,
Speaker 1: it's actually not r V as much. It's more of
Speaker 1: the van lifers UM because their gems where they take
Speaker 1: their showers have been taken away, their coffee shops where
Speaker 1: they work have been taken away, and the grocery stores
Speaker 1: where they get their water refills or you know, their
Speaker 1: their foods have been taken away as all. And so
Speaker 1: it's about like trying to make sure that they have
Speaker 1: the resources to really work within that and once they
Speaker 1: get somewhere, they need to create a new routine because
Speaker 1: they're routinely completely out the window. And that's part of
Speaker 1: the risk of this lifestyle. Even with full time our years,
Speaker 1: but not as much because we can contain and we
Speaker 1: can I'll say horrid in a way, but not horrid.
Speaker 1: We can fill up our reserve water tank and you know,
Speaker 1: we can dump at different stations, you know, so it's
Speaker 1: a very different style. But I think, um, what's really
Speaker 1: important right now is that people have that holistic approach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, studies show that when we are
Speaker 1: stressed out, are wellness and fitness plans are usually the
Speaker 1: first thing that we throw out the window. You know
Speaker 1: how many of us have said, oh, I can't work
Speaker 1: out today, I just don't have time, and you know,
Speaker 1: here and there that's okay. But I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: emphasize to my clients right now that we practice our
Speaker 1: holistic well being all the time so that in times
Speaker 1: like this, it's just a muscle that reflect It's just
Speaker 1: a muscle that we go back to. It's like muscle memory,
Speaker 1: like riding a bike. And um, so yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have days where the routine is going to feel different.
Speaker 1: We're going to have to figure it out. It's okay
Speaker 1: if it doesn't look like it did before, because life
Speaker 1: isn't looking like it did before. Um, but now it's
Speaker 1: not the time to you know, wallow in despair and
Speaker 1: throw all of that out the window because we really
Speaker 1: we really need it absolutely absolutely. And then with you
Speaker 1: know that's actually really good points. Like our viers, we
Speaker 1: do this on a constant basis, like this the cipher
Speaker 1: a self isolation and um, when we travel, it's not
Speaker 1: like we're we're around people all the time, and so
Speaker 1: our minds have already adapted to the situation where it's
Speaker 1: not as stressful, um, right, but it's still stressful to
Speaker 1: be uprooted. Um. You know, yeah, we kind of always
Speaker 1: planned for that because of boon docking in that culture,
Speaker 1: Like even in the in between, I have always ready
Speaker 1: when I'm in a Walmart parking lot, Hey, you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to be here exactly exactly on the side of
Speaker 1: the road somewhere. Um, so you kind of almost are
Speaker 1: plan for these extremes. So totally, it really home is
Speaker 1: where you park it. It's such a cliche now, right,
Speaker 1: but I just it's like, you we embrace this temporary
Speaker 1: way of living and home really is where we parked,
Speaker 1: And so we just had to really kind of remind
Speaker 1: ourselves of that this week. I just in trying to
Speaker 1: stick to facts as much as I can and not
Speaker 1: let the emotional side of this takeover. And so I
Speaker 1: do see people saying things like how did you check
Speaker 1: in at that campground. I thought all campgrounds are closed,
Speaker 1: and I understand why people are saying that, but I'm
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be quick to say please check camp
Speaker 1: endium or you know, please please talk with your camp host,
Speaker 1: because the fact of the matter is that these campgrounds
Speaker 1: are companies, um, and I think a lot of them
Speaker 1: realize that they can't displace people, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people like month to month they've they've signed something with
Speaker 1: the campgrounds, and so it's just simply not true that
Speaker 1: there's not campgrounds available. But it does take a little
Speaker 1: bit more digging right now and talking. I mean, we
Speaker 1: checked this morning before we drove two and a half
Speaker 1: hours over here, and they said we're ready to welcome you.
Speaker 1: We have a sanitary check in process. Um, so that
Speaker 1: was just a good extra peace of mind. But for sure,
Speaker 1: you know, what Campaig, Indiana is doing is such a
Speaker 1: lifeline for us. I mean, refreshing it every every few hours,
Speaker 1: and they really are updating and very grateful for that resource. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they're they're doing an amazing, amazing job. And um, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's people out there that are, you know, creating
Speaker 1: petitions to keep our v campgrounds open like at Trunk
Speaker 1: Camper Magazine dot com. UM. I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a r VC UM, and that's the basically National
Speaker 1: r V Park Association, UM. You know, if they're okaying
Speaker 1: with lobbying in Congress and making sure that people are
Speaker 1: educated on the right. Each state has their own association
Speaker 1: who are working on that. So I think that that
Speaker 1: message is getting across. Our plan at least for the
Speaker 1: next two weeks, is just avoiding large cities and staying put.
Speaker 1: And so we are staying put here. We're not traveling anymore.
Speaker 1: We made sure that we had enough gas like a
Speaker 1: week ago so that we didn't even have to touch
Speaker 1: a gas station today. Like, there really are ways that
Speaker 1: you can hit the road if you absolutely have to,
Speaker 1: UM and not interact with a lot of people. You know,
Speaker 1: we used to we were joking earlier that we would
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store when we were out of
Speaker 1: our favorite things. And now we're going to go to
Speaker 1: the grocery store when we're out of everything, Like we
Speaker 1: are literally going to go through everything before we do that,
Speaker 1: And so there are ways that we can be even
Speaker 1: more you know, minimalist minded. I guess right now and
Speaker 1: not be so quick to to jump in the car
Speaker 1: and and expose the know how big of a minimalist
Speaker 1: you are, and and we all because of this lifestyle,
Speaker 1: So from minimalists, we're going even farther into it. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Matt and I we went for a
Speaker 1: strapping yesterday, Um, but we've literally had like two slices
Speaker 1: of bread, no eggs. It was time. Yeah, absolutely, And
Speaker 1: I just think that there are people that are doing
Speaker 1: the right things, and um, you know, it's all about
Speaker 1: trying to find our balance again. Yeah, we really are
Speaker 1: all in this together, and I think what we all
Speaker 1: do might look a little different, you know, like our
Speaker 1: years versus someone that has kiddos at home and is
Speaker 1: figuring out how to home school for the first time. Um,
Speaker 1: and some people can't work from home and so they're
Speaker 1: just at home with kids trying to figure that out.
Speaker 1: So I just think there's there's a great importance of
Speaker 1: just taking care of our well being and tapping into
Speaker 1: taking sort of a temperature of where our stresses and
Speaker 1: just taking it day by day and being kind to
Speaker 1: ourselves and kind to each other and reaching out. There's
Speaker 1: still so many ways to connect the welldest company that
Speaker 1: I get all my education and resources from. Declared is
Speaker 1: the year of social connectivity, and so the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks they've kind of had to sort of walk
Speaker 1: that back. But what's amazing coming out of that is
Speaker 1: really there's so many ways to connect. We don't have
Speaker 1: to you know, gathering groups right now. Just reach out
Speaker 1: to loved ones and face time and share your stories
Speaker 1: and ask for help, and I think we'll all get
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