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Speaker 3: We got news later on Monday that Texas Tech quarterback,
Speaker 3: if only for a moment, Brendan Soresby, was going to
Speaker 3: be backing off of his NCAA lawsuit and he would
Speaker 3: be entering the NFL supplemental Draft. This, of course, is
Speaker 3: a huge about face in this saga that has unfolded
Speaker 3: over the last few weeks and months. You may recall
Speaker 3: Brendan Soresby got into some hot water right, it came
Speaker 3: to light that he had placed something like ninety thousand
Speaker 3: dollars worth of bets spanning, you know, a bit of time,
Speaker 3: dating all the way back to his previous stops, some
Speaker 3: of which were yes, betting on college football, including his
Speaker 3: own team. So there was a whole thing that went
Speaker 3: into that. We discussed it at length here on the
Speaker 3: show when we last left this story. Soorsby had one
Speaker 3: an injunction whereby he'd have to sit out two games
Speaker 3: and that he could play the remainder of the season.
Speaker 3: I should say that was met pretty swiftly with a
Speaker 3: lot of pushback, both from teams within the Big Twelve,
Speaker 3: from administrators within the Big Twelve, from other teams that
Speaker 3: were suddenly pushing back on even trying to schedule Texas Tech.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of pushback in light of this decision,
Speaker 3: and it eventually came, I guess, to a breaking point,
Speaker 3: a mutual parting of ways, as has been reported. But
Speaker 3: my hunch is that the legal gravity and some of
Speaker 3: what was being filed, maybe which we can detail here,
Speaker 3: simply made the situation untenable and Brendan Soresby is, I guess,
Speaker 3: going to try and make his way to the NFL
Speaker 3: now just a huge one point eight given all the
Speaker 3: reporting that's gone on out there again over the last.
Speaker 1: Few weeks months.
Speaker 3: This is something that I think we're going to be
Speaker 3: talking about for a while, certainly as we get into
Speaker 3: the season, and most assuredly when we start previewing Texas
Speaker 3: Tech in about a month or so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think if I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: thing that we're going to be talking about for a while.
Speaker 2: I just think we're all going to move forward.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think how well I what I
Speaker 1: mean by that.
Speaker 3: And somebody suggested to me that this could be a
Speaker 3: fantasy thing, which I don't think we'll make it that,
Speaker 3: but I understand where the person is coming from. This
Speaker 3: tends to be one of those stories that people feel
Speaker 3: the need to repeat and repeat and repeat, even if
Speaker 3: it's just in passing, like Will Hamman got the job
Speaker 3: because dot dot dot right.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be a beginning of the season thing.
Speaker 2: I think Brendan Soarsby is going to be more of
Speaker 2: a trivia answer question moving forward in the long term,
Speaker 2: just because it was all kind of over before it
Speaker 2: had a chance to begin. I'm going to attempt to
Speaker 2: get let's call it sixty three percent of the legalese
Speaker 2: correct here. The only thing that I think you didn't
Speaker 2: skim over it, but it's just part of this whole thing,
Speaker 2: is there was a threat from I believe the Attorney
Speaker 2: General Ken Paxton of Texas, a threat regarding the Big
Speaker 2: Twelve potentially trying to exercise its own ability to punish
Speaker 2: or discipline and cast into doubt the eligibility of somebody
Speaker 2: who they feel like had violated their bylaws. And then
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve then prepared a legal document via I
Speaker 2: think a powerhouse law firm Sidley Austin, I believe is
Speaker 2: the name of the basically preparing to sue whoever and
Speaker 2: whomever whatever is questioning the Big twelve's First Amendment right
Speaker 2: to enforce its own bylaws. And that prepared document, I
Speaker 2: think it was a forty seven page document or something
Speaker 2: I think put a lot of fear into Texas Tech
Speaker 2: And as fun as that was, it a twenty one
Speaker 2: minute podcast, as you called it, the gathering of the
Speaker 2: Texas Tech minds at a man.
Speaker 3: We could talk about that later, but yeah, that I
Speaker 3: did refrac the tweet that I put out last Night
Speaker 3: did like a quarter million views calling it a podcast.
Speaker 3: It was a video podcast, is what it was.
Speaker 2: So there were legal doings behind the scenes that seemed
Speaker 2: to put even more pressure on Brendan Sorosby and his
Speaker 2: attempt to play this year now this by the Big Twelve,
Speaker 2: who basically they had the fifteen of the sixteen members
Speaker 2: schools behind them saying and we had I think, I
Speaker 2: want to get this phrasing correct, attorneys general from I
Speaker 2: want to say Kansas, Oklahoma, and Utah also on board
Speaker 2: and prepared to back the Big Twelve in its ability
Speaker 2: to enforce its bylaws regarding eligibility. And so the whole
Speaker 2: thing was getting behind the scenes pretty ugly, and a
Speaker 2: sort of a growing wave of support behind the Big
Speaker 2: Twelve in its potential fight against Texas Tech and the
Speaker 2: injunction that allowed Brendon Sorosby to play. Brendon Sorosby, as
Speaker 2: you noted, hasn't had until I want to say, a
Speaker 2: week from yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, June twenty second, June twenty second, So we're recording
Speaker 3: this on Tuesday the sixteenth. The deadline to get into
Speaker 3: the supplemental draft is June and twenty second.
Speaker 2: Right, And I think there was a fear that if
Speaker 2: they were going to start prolonged legal battles, he would
Speaker 2: not have any recourse in terms of NFL eligibility in
Speaker 2: this in this year's supplemental draft cycle if the legal
Speaker 2: stuff kept going and going and going, And so he decided,
Speaker 2: the school decided it seemed like and there were there
Speaker 2: was a statement from Texas Tech that basically amounted to
Speaker 2: this became more and more difficult to try and navigate,
Speaker 2: and we understand and support Brendan Sorosby in his path,
Speaker 2: and he's Cody Campbell put out a statement that Brendan
Speaker 2: Sorosby is going to get all of the money that's
Speaker 2: owed to him with this level of timing, and everybody's
Speaker 2: moving forward, and the Big twelve issued a statement that
Speaker 2: they're now sixteen strong, moving forward and excited for our
Speaker 2: future together and hopefully everybody is begrudgingly holding hands once again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole legal side of it.
Speaker 3: After Soresby won the temporary injunction, the pushback was fast
Speaker 3: and furious. And you know, initially I heard of it,
Speaker 3: and I'm probably messing up the chronology, but initially I
Speaker 3: heard of other schools outside of the Big twelve that
Speaker 3: were pushing back in the sense that they didn't want
Speaker 3: to schedule Texas Tech. They were athletic directors, administrators reaching
Speaker 3: out to coaches and those in the know, saying we
Speaker 3: don't want to play them, We're not going to play
Speaker 3: them as a result of this. If they decide that
Speaker 3: this is okay, then yes, the Big Twelve sort of
Speaker 3: banded together and started pushing back as best they could
Speaker 3: through the legal system. There was this challenge from the
Speaker 3: Texas Attorney General than there were others that jumped on
Speaker 3: the side of the Big Twelve that led us down
Speaker 3: this pathway now of soresby Texas Tech mutually parting ways.
Speaker 3: The issue from the Big Twelve being such that yes,
Speaker 3: we are sixteen strong, holding hands moving forward. He didn't
Speaker 3: say holding hands.
Speaker 2: We said that everybody's koombay ah, But yes, that was
Speaker 2: I think it was the Big Twelve via this law
Speaker 2: firm asking a federal court clarity essentially on its ability
Speaker 2: to sanction under First Amendment protections its own enforceable by laws.
Speaker 2: So that's where it stood, and now Texas Tech is
Speaker 2: moving forward. Will Hammond is not cleared to play in
Speaker 2: games at this moment. He's rehabbing from a torn acl
Speaker 2: that I think he suffered in October. So he's the
Speaker 2: presumptive starter at some point. Joey Maguire has said previously
Speaker 2: and talking about Will Hammond, that he is on track
Speaker 2: to you know, I think he's doing seven on seven
Speaker 2: activity and on track to participate to some degree in
Speaker 2: fall camp, but cast into doubt his ability to be
Speaker 2: back by week one essentially as I think where Joey
Speaker 2: Maguire left Will Hammond's status recently. So they I believe
Speaker 2: have a Tulsa transfer behind Will Hammond in the quarterback room.
Speaker 2: But Texas Tech, although I suppose they could address quarterback
Speaker 2: in creative if not also punishable ways moving forward, that's
Speaker 2: what their quarterback room as of now.
Speaker 1: That's where it stands.
Speaker 2: And I think you mentioned there were a couple of
Speaker 2: we talked about this. There are a couple of quarterbacks
Speaker 2: still lingering in the portal. I want to say Jake Garcia,
Speaker 2: who's sort of still traveled. He's still around, I think
Speaker 2: what missoo Miami, Michigan, somewhere in that range of teams. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a couple names floating around in terms of maybe
Speaker 2: pure depth plays who knows, but yeah, Brendon soarsby onto
Speaker 2: the supplemental draft, Texas Tech onto a now thinned quarterback room.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably best for all parties to just
Speaker 3: sort of go this route.
Speaker 2: It's that seemed the way for me, especially because look,
Speaker 2: I don't know how many much schools were going to
Speaker 2: actually cancel matchups in various sports with Texas Tech. I
Speaker 2: want to say Michigan Volleyball did. That was the one
Speaker 2: I saw. Michigan Volleyball had canceled a matchup against Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: But Texas Tech, I don't think was even if they
Speaker 2: put out that as you called it episode one of
Speaker 2: that podcast, I don't think they truly want to be
Speaker 2: seen as a villainous enterprise that you know, everybody argues
Speaker 2: about everything, but then having the fan bases of one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty seven teams look at Texas Tech as
Speaker 2: the downfall of Western civilization. I don't think as much
Speaker 2: as they've tried to say the right things, I don't
Speaker 2: think the university is fully comfortable positioning itself in that way.
Speaker 3: No. I mean, so the twenty minute and two second podcast,
Speaker 3: i'll call it that that they posted via their official
Speaker 3: social media channels like a week ago. That was some
Speaker 3: creative wording. That was a lot of pr speak, And
Speaker 3: even though I kind of side eyed it when I
Speaker 3: watched it, they weren't exactly using language that, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: stirred up that much animosity.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: They were very much trying to take the approach of
Speaker 3: we support the player, we recognize that a gambling addiction
Speaker 3: is a serious thing. We're helping him get the help
Speaker 3: that he needs. We don't want to crush his dreams.
Speaker 3: Like they were trying to position it a little bit
Speaker 3: more softly. I don't think most people bought it. Frankly,
Speaker 3: I don't think it was the greatest defense. I don't
Speaker 3: know if there was a good defense, but they weren't
Speaker 3: coming at it from the standpoint of trying to promote
Speaker 3: more conflict. It was just sort of I thought, a
Speaker 3: lame excuse Cody Campbell. Though, Cody Campbell, I think he
Speaker 3: put a little bit of a clown nose on himself
Speaker 3: with the way that he has handled this. He was
Speaker 3: much more of a villain throughout this whole process, very
Speaker 3: much defiant, very much took the approach of, hey, if
Speaker 3: he's eligible, we have no choice but to play him
Speaker 3: very much. If you are looking for a reason to
Speaker 3: dunk on Texas Tech, he gave you those reasons with
Speaker 3: how it seems he approached this whole thing.
Speaker 1: Now, he came out with.
Speaker 3: Another statement, and I think that was a little bit
Speaker 3: more softly worded. But at least initially, he was very
Speaker 3: much the target of much animosity out there around college athletics,
Speaker 3: which is interesting given the fact that Cody Campbell has
Speaker 3: very much been in the limelight for other reasons against
Speaker 3: other conferences and super leagues and media rights and you know,
Speaker 3: all all these things kind of worming their way through Congress.
Speaker 3: So it was a bit of a one to eighty
Speaker 3: for him as well, just in terms of a pr
Speaker 3: image and his Q.
Speaker 1: Rating, if you want to call it that.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, like I think all of that kind of
Speaker 3: looks bad, but the Cody Campbell side of it, to
Speaker 3: me was what really stuck in my craw as Like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: he positions himself as the good guy in one light,
Speaker 3: but then this comes about and it's I don't know,
Speaker 3: you kind of question intentions at that point when you
Speaker 3: see some of the other wording.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously he has had some official titles within
Speaker 2: Texas Tech and has been an advocate obviously for the
Speaker 2: bill that there's an attempt to push through Congress regarding
Speaker 2: changes and you know, hopeful changes to college sports. He does,
Speaker 2: it seems, and I'm I'm totally open to be to
Speaker 2: being corrected here of the big money involved behind the
Speaker 2: scenes at big or semi big places, however you want
Speaker 2: to qualify it. He seems a lot more vocal and
Speaker 2: a lot more comfortable pointing to himself as a leader
Speaker 2: of Texas Tech football while not actually being a leader
Speaker 2: of Texas Tech football, or at least the wink wink,
Speaker 2: nudge nudge kind of leader, right that, Like, we know
Speaker 2: there are big names at many schools behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: but Cody Campbell fashions himself as the scenes. And I
Speaker 2: don't know whether I obviously Texas Tech fans are into
Speaker 2: the idea of enthusiastic money as they should be, right,
Speaker 2: that's the name of the game right now, and every
Speaker 2: program would take that kind of commitment. But it's certainly
Speaker 2: different with regard to how Texas Tech is viewed to
Speaker 2: me that they're just this guy saying, yes, I'm in charge,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy us an offensive line. Yes, I am
Speaker 2: the guy in charge of this program in as many words,
Speaker 2: and this.
Speaker 1: Is where we are.
Speaker 2: This is what a lot of people seem to want
Speaker 2: out of this sport.
Speaker 1: But it's different.
Speaker 2: It's certainly different, especially when the light has never been
Speaker 2: brighter on Texas Tech and the attention has never been
Speaker 2: sharper on the program.
Speaker 1: It's it's where we are.
Speaker 2: It's a really, it's a it's a really sterling example
Speaker 2: of where this sport is right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm not willing.
Speaker 3: To give people a pass necessarily on this whole thing.
Speaker 3: On a certain very human level, I kind of understand
Speaker 3: not really knowing how to approach this because it's it's
Speaker 3: just it's atypical. And I hope we don't see more
Speaker 3: of this, but I can just imagine behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: a bunch of guys looking at each other, like, what
Speaker 3: do we do now? How are we supposed to respond
Speaker 3: to this? You know, what is what is the best
Speaker 3: way to handle it?
Speaker 1: You know? Hopefully they learn from it.
Speaker 3: I don't think some of the verbiage that I heard
Speaker 3: was handled all that well, but it seemed as if
Speaker 3: they at least.
Speaker 1: Arrived at a point where they realized this was.
Speaker 3: Untenable and whether whether or not they were hoping to
Speaker 3: crush young Brendan Soresby's dreams or not, this this was
Speaker 3: probably the only outcome that was going to make sense
Speaker 3: in the long term. So I look, by no means
Speaker 3: are we legal experts here, And certainly if you have
Speaker 3: something more to add to the conversation, solid verbal at
Speaker 3: gmail dot com is the best way to reach out
Speaker 3: and let us know your thoughts. I would actually welcome
Speaker 3: too much of the verballer hood to chime in with this.
Speaker 3: You know, for for as much fun as I think
Speaker 3: we've had with Texas Tech, and you know, the kind
Speaker 3: of renewed effort to go out there and get high
Speaker 3: priced talent that is the game now. I know many
Speaker 3: of the Texas Tech fans that listen to this don't
Speaker 3: always appreciate that, but it's it warn't mentioning. And so
Speaker 3: we bring this up not to dunk on Texas Tech,
Speaker 3: certainly not to dunk on Texas Tech or anybody, but
Speaker 3: it's just it's the only newsworthy thing right now, frankly,
Speaker 3: and we had to address it.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, you don't want to talk about Oregon
Speaker 2: getting themselves a five star receiver.
Speaker 1: Literally as we began this show, I don't really don't do.
Speaker 2: I have enjoyed and hopefully this serves as a worthwhile
Speaker 2: transition tie. The whole situation puts Texas Tech fans in
Speaker 2: a really weird spot.
Speaker 1: I think so, I think it does.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm actually glad you brought that up because
Speaker 3: that's where I was going to go next with it.
Speaker 1: The fan reaction.
Speaker 3: You know, because when I bring out our email address
Speaker 3: and I tell people, hey, write in, let's know your thoughts,
Speaker 3: I can just judge from the people in our discord
Speaker 3: and the ballers that we've already heard from that they're
Speaker 3: I can I can sense the conflict. Like you're a
Speaker 3: fan of a team, you want your team to do well.
Speaker 3: Texas Tech has clearly got the wind to their back
Speaker 3: to a degree. Now want a conference championship, made the playoffs,
Speaker 3: got a first round.
Speaker 1: By it.
Speaker 3: We don't have to talk about what happened in the playoff, right.
Speaker 3: You always want to root for your team, what your
Speaker 3: team do well. This is just sort of snuck up
Speaker 3: on a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And you want to dig in when you feel as
Speaker 2: if maybe your team is being unfairly villainized. Your program
Speaker 2: is being unfairly villainized that you know, any other program
Speaker 2: would try to do just you know, the same things
Speaker 2: that Texas Tech is trying to do, and both standing
Speaker 2: behind their quarterback and making every effort to get him eligible.
Speaker 2: It puts them in a weird spot where you would
Speaker 2: have to where the school would be the ones to say, look,
Speaker 2: this is an unusual spot, and we're going to air
Speaker 2: on the side of helping him as a human but
Speaker 2: not trying to rock the boat in terms of how
Speaker 2: we view eligibility and how we view players wagering on
Speaker 2: their own teams, and you know, hopefully use this for
Speaker 2: good to edge players about, you know, some of the
Speaker 2: the threats and pitfalls of gambling on sports, if it's
Speaker 2: even allowed in your state. If obviously there are NCAA
Speaker 2: rules prohibiting gambling on college football and your team and
Speaker 2: so forth, so they could have done that, they decided
Speaker 2: to dig in and support him in his lawsuit. And
Speaker 2: so now there's obviously the I guess perceived unrest between
Speaker 2: Texas Tech fans and the way they feel like they've
Speaker 2: been mistreated by the Big twelve. I saw a lot
Speaker 2: of references to like, how dare you treat your bell
Speaker 2: cow of a program like this? Texas Tech has been
Speaker 2: the bell cow for about an hour and a half
Speaker 2: of the Big Twelve. So the emotions are running high,
Speaker 2: obviously because we're in the moment right now. But you know,
Speaker 2: I do feel for Texas Tech fans who you know,
Speaker 2: they feel this allegiance like we all do for our
Speaker 2: favorite teams, And it would be weird to say, yes,
Speaker 2: I have paid all this money for season tickets and
Speaker 2: merchandise and a generational you know, it's passed down from
Speaker 2: generation to generation, this Texas Tech fandom. But now that
Speaker 2: everybody's villainizing us, I'm going to turn my back on
Speaker 2: my favorite program.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I understand.
Speaker 3: The understand I understand the conflict there, and I think
Speaker 3: I think if I were a fan, my first reaction
Speaker 3: would probably be my disgust would be directed at the
Speaker 3: people who brought sores being in the first place, like
Speaker 3: why didn't they do their homework?
Speaker 1: Now we addressed this on a previous episode.
Speaker 3: There's so many guys in the portal, right, there's such
Speaker 3: a limited window during which you can now actually go
Speaker 3: out and get guys to sign with that program, and
Speaker 3: like it's it's so compressed, and nobody has the staffing
Speaker 3: that they need to do PI work on every single
Speaker 3: recruit out there. So of course there are going to
Speaker 3: be some instances that slip through the cracks. But you know,
Speaker 3: as a fan, you don't always have that kind of
Speaker 3: organizational perspective. I think that would be my initial reaction, like,
Speaker 3: why didn't they do their homework?
Speaker 1: You know, why did they sign up for this? You know,
Speaker 1: whether that's fair or not.
Speaker 3: I agree again, Solid verbal at gmail dot com is
Speaker 3: how you can write in let us know your thoughts
Speaker 3: on the matter. I'm sort of glad that we can
Speaker 3: kind of turn the page on this.
Speaker 2: I just want to talk about Texas Tech football without
Speaker 2: talking about Brandon sorosby right, and without talking about Sidley Austin.
Speaker 2: You know, I'd much rather focus on the particulars of
Speaker 2: players who are there and will be contributing, and I
Speaker 2: think that's more worthwhile.
Speaker 1: Was it the second half against Utah the Will Hammond game?
Speaker 1: I believe so.
Speaker 2: Will Hammond I think had a lot of the support
Speaker 2: of his offensive line. They were pumped to rally behind him.
Speaker 2: He was I believe the starting quarterback when they did
Speaker 2: lose to Asu last season, so he had sort of
Speaker 2: an up and down time in relief of Baron Morton.
Speaker 2: But obviously as his upside, I think is more athletic
Speaker 2: than as a polished passer at this moment, But everybody develops.
Speaker 3: And you know what, Yeah, that would be fine. Sure,
Speaker 3: that would be fine because one I think what they
Speaker 3: were looking for with Sorsby, with somebody who could give
Speaker 3: them a little bit more of a dual threat capability. Well,
Speaker 3: Hammon certainly does. Now he's recovering from pretty serious injury.
Speaker 3: So his mobility will have to wait and see on
Speaker 3: that front and find out what his health status is
Speaker 3: as we get a little bit closer to the season.
Speaker 3: But he does bring that to the table, and maybe
Speaker 3: giving him more first team reps will help him sort
Speaker 3: of catapult his skills forward. And you know, if you
Speaker 3: can get to the Baron Morton level and then a
Speaker 3: little bit more, I think Texas Tech is all the
Speaker 3: better for it. Secondly, and I know this has sort
Speaker 3: of flown under the radar a little bit. I know
Speaker 3: we've talked about it here time and again, I'm not
Speaker 3: totally convinced that Brendan Sorsby was like a slam dunk
Speaker 3: just as a corn as a quarterback, you know, probably
Speaker 3: better than what they had. Yeah, I mean, definitely a
Speaker 3: different type of quarterback than what they had. But I
Speaker 3: feel like a big part of the conversation with respect
Speaker 3: to the transfer portal as we get into preview season
Speaker 3: talking about guys that move to new teams, you don't
Speaker 3: always know who's gonna hit, and they don't always hit.
Speaker 3: Even big name quarterbacks don't hit. I'm not certain that
Speaker 3: Sorsby would have been that dude, even if he gave
Speaker 3: them a little bit more in terms of physical tools.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, Brendon Sarsby, it seems would have.
Speaker 2: And they brought in some receivers in the portal this cycle,
Speaker 2: but it seemed like he would have a better offensive
Speaker 2: mind behind him, probably a better offensive line in front
Speaker 2: of him, perhaps deeper, more interesting receivers to throw to,
Speaker 2: and without question, seemingly a better defense to support him
Speaker 2: in the offense's efforts. And so it seems like he
Speaker 2: would have been put in a much better posiosition to
Speaker 2: succeed than the position he was in in Cincinnati. So
Speaker 2: nothing's as slam dunk. But it seems like he was,
Speaker 2: in terms of that roster and the coaching staff, in
Speaker 2: a better position to thrive than he was at Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: All right, So that is the news. Brandon Sores bes
Speaker 2: not going to be playing college football this year. Brendon
Speaker 2: Soars be taking his talents to the NFL. We'll see
Speaker 2: what happens on that front. Very curious to see if
Speaker 2: anybody takes a risk on soores be now given all
Speaker 2: this news, but or knows there are plenty of teams
Speaker 2: in the NFL that need quarterbacks. Maybe one of them
Speaker 2: will take a fly.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 2: I saw he was being looked at as a Jackson
Speaker 2: Dart type, athletic and fearless. And you know, hasn't had
Speaker 2: the best novembers. I don't believe. But their schedule has
Speaker 2: gotten tougher there, and I don't know, Jackson Dart wasn't
Speaker 2: perfect Pross.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that comparison.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not telling you he is of equal quality.
Speaker 2: I'm saying the style of his game. If you were
Speaker 2: to make a co that's what he was. Are we
Speaker 2: pretending to make that Dart? Make that pump was Jackson Dart?
Speaker 2: Lighting the NFL on fire.
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart was pretty good last year. He was pretty
Speaker 1: good last year as a rookie, ok with nobody around him. Okay,
Speaker 1: also true, I don't know if I draw that comparison,
Speaker 1: but okay, fair enough, listen, fair enough, wish and well,
Speaker 1: hope he gets the help he needs. Hope he's able
Speaker 1: to go on and prosper Dan.
Speaker 3: Let's take while we can here in the middle of June,
Speaker 3: before previous season heats up. Let's take this occasion to
Speaker 3: open up the window and peer into the fan bases
Speaker 3: around college football. You may recall our good friends out
Speaker 3: at message board Geniuses. You can follow them on Twitter
Speaker 3: at board geniuses. For our money, the best of the
Speaker 3: best out there among college football social media I still
Speaker 3: to this day and we have yet to bring them
Speaker 3: on the show, or go on their show or anything.
Speaker 3: We do need to have a conversation at some point
Speaker 3: about how they manage this, because what they're doing is
Speaker 3: God's work. Frankly, yes, poor Geniuses has a portal into
Speaker 3: all of the weirdest message board postings around college football.
Speaker 3: From time to time, whenever you or I feel the need,
Speaker 3: we peruse their social media account and we pick out
Speaker 3: some of our favorite screenshots to discuss here.
Speaker 1: So these are not ours. They do the hard work,
Speaker 1: unlike some others. Hard work. Unlike some others on social media,
Speaker 1: we do it command shift for is that what it
Speaker 1: is on a mac? I think that's what And then
Speaker 1: you just have to drag the little handles. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to drag, of course. But somebody's doing that work,
Speaker 1: or somebody's doing.
Speaker 2: It, somebody's getting receiving tips from the message board dungeons.
Speaker 1: So credit where it's due.
Speaker 3: Unlike some social media, we like to pay homage to
Speaker 3: the people doing the work here.
Speaker 1: This is true.
Speaker 2: I would look if you were to tell me that
Speaker 2: an art gallery in my area was having a message
Speaker 2: board genius exhibition. Yes, I would be in line to
Speaker 2: that opening night premiere having the you know, little the
Speaker 2: toothpicks with little cubes of cheese. I would be an art.
Speaker 1: Appreciator and thnosur aficionado. How about a patron.
Speaker 2: I would be a patron of the arts if there
Speaker 2: were a message board geniuses exhibition at a gallery near me.
Speaker 3: Let's keep it real here and let's continue talking about
Speaker 3: Texas tech. This was a post that was surfaced by
Speaker 3: our friends at MBG. The title was ACC time, Here
Speaker 3: we Go, Here we Go? Where's my sound? Just waiting
Speaker 3: for Cody to buy us into the ACC asap. We
Speaker 3: even have our own travel buddy. I bet we could
Speaker 3: bring the Zonas in Kansas, Kansas with us too. It's
Speaker 3: really funny that this post came to light because I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be honest, this is my first thought. My first
Speaker 3: thought when I saw that the Big Twelve was banding
Speaker 3: together against Texas Tech, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: conference realignment over the last five years granted a lot
Speaker 3: based on money, but much of it has seemed rather illogical.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be completely illogical for Texas Tech and the
Speaker 3: moneymen behind it to like have a vendetta against the
Speaker 3: Big Twelve because of how it felt. How they felt
Speaker 3: it was collusion, as Cody Campbell put it, and to
Speaker 3: try and see if they could find an exit over
Speaker 3: into another conference, whatever that might be. So I actually
Speaker 3: saw this and I was like, you know what, it's funny.
Speaker 3: I also completely get it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's also funny because the ACC itself and
Speaker 2: its long term prospects are sort of We did a
Speaker 2: teeter episode Teetering teams. ACC is teetering on the brink,
Speaker 2: and if they're being looked at as the dream destination
Speaker 2: to show the Big twelve, that's not great. That's not
Speaker 2: like exactly Valhalla right now with the lawsuits that now
Speaker 2: are settled between Florida State and Clemson and stuff.
Speaker 1: But it is.
Speaker 2: It is pretty funny that the ACC, which had to
Speaker 2: in a Hail Mary football term add cal and Stanford
Speaker 2: and SMU, is looked at as the safe dream state
Speaker 2: of Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, that's great. That's where they that's
Speaker 1: where they've landed.
Speaker 3: I mean, they'd easily be the second best team in
Speaker 3: the ACC they were to move over this year.
Speaker 1: They're not going to move over this year. I know that.
Speaker 3: But right, so much of the conversation right not ACC
Speaker 3: has been who's who's in that next tier down from Miami?
Speaker 1: Texas Tech would be right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think you want to pay the exit
Speaker 2: fees to just play all due respect. You know, Wake
Speaker 2: Forest and Syracuse and Georgia Tech like it. You got
Speaker 2: to be paying money to get to big ten SEC.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure the a SEC is that destination.
Speaker 1: Continue speaking of the ACC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my favorite fan base right now is Florida State.
Speaker 1: They're in a tough spot for Florida.
Speaker 3: State's in a tough spot. Quote, I should hope Florida
Speaker 3: State is from war Chant are friends of our war Chant?
Speaker 3: I should hope Florida State is investing three hundred to
Speaker 3: four hundred thousand per year, of course on a private
Speaker 3: eye to check Mike Norvel's activities. If they managed to
Speaker 3: dig something up that warranted firing for cause, that would
Speaker 3: be a fantastic one hundred x ROI business term. Dan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's down bad and then there's down bad.
Speaker 3: I mean the next post here on the list is
Speaker 3: titled what if we just move down to FCS. This
Speaker 3: is the state of play right now in the Florida
Speaker 3: State world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Florida saying, didn't our friend Bud Elliott he doesn't
Speaker 2: do his Florida State show anymore because the entire ecosystem,
Speaker 2: not ecosystem, the entirety of the Florida State short term
Speaker 2: outlook was too much of a bummer that they felt
Speaker 2: like their show would be too much of a bummer.
Speaker 1: Well, if I was reading that correctly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm paraphrasing here. I remember when Bud posted
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, but like really good friend of the show.
Speaker 3: Bud haven't talked to him in forever, but I obviously
Speaker 3: very good at what he does and a Florida state person.
Speaker 3: And he was like, we put a lot into this show,
Speaker 3: and it became apparent that we're putting more into this
Speaker 3: show than the football program, or then the administrators are
Speaker 3: putting into the football program something like that. And so
Speaker 3: until that seems a little bit more imbalance, we're going
Speaker 3: to like evaluate how often we.
Speaker 1: Do this thing? Right?
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a just downbat across the board and
Speaker 2: hope for the hope for the Florida State in all
Speaker 2: of our lives that they can become competitive soon.
Speaker 1: Lsu I like this one.
Speaker 3: Yes, there seems to be concern that Lane Kiffin has
Speaker 3: yet to buy a house mm in Baton Rouge, someone
Speaker 3: says this has been concern of mine too. Him not
Speaker 3: buying a house says a lot about what his intentions are.
Speaker 1: Yet, Oh are you?
Speaker 2: Are you questioning the accountability and seriousness of Lane Kiffin's
Speaker 2: commitment to literally anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not the poster here is the right look.
Speaker 2: Everybody eventually talks themselves into and out of Lane Kiffin. Right,
Speaker 2: that's just the gig of rooting for a team that
Speaker 2: has aligned itself with Lane Kiffin. I don't think this
Speaker 2: is an appropriate reaction right now, because you got he's
Speaker 2: got a lot on his plate, right. He jumped into
Speaker 2: the program and has been recruiting NonStop, also finding new
Speaker 2: players and hitting the portal, hitting boosters, doing everything he
Speaker 2: can to get this LSU team seemingly to the point
Speaker 2: that they can compete for a national championship sooner rather
Speaker 2: than later.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot on his plate, and a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys are, you know, living out of
Speaker 2: hotels and renting before they actually buy a house. I
Speaker 2: think this is likely jumping the gun. But here we
Speaker 2: are in June, and you got to be worried about something.
Speaker 3: Speaking of jumping the gun, if you are an LSU fan,
Speaker 3: what is your expectation.
Speaker 1: Mindful of the fact that we haven't done to buy
Speaker 1: a house, my expectation is that he buys a house. Okay,
Speaker 1: what about the football team? What about it? Because listen,
Speaker 1: I you know, they made.
Speaker 3: Headlines all across the board by going out and getting Kiffin,
Speaker 3: and it was a guy they wanted.
Speaker 1: Clearly, there's a commitment to spend.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a bit of a circus, but
Speaker 3: I think you sign up for that when you go
Speaker 3: for lane. But realistically, realistically, this is a team of transfers.
Speaker 1: Realistically, this is.
Speaker 3: A situation where the schedule is always going to be
Speaker 3: the gounlet sec And realistically, I don't know if anything
Speaker 3: over nine to three based on what I've seen, at
Speaker 3: least initially when I'm doing my homework, I don't know
Speaker 3: if anything.
Speaker 1: Over that is like a truly realistic expectation. Doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they can't get there.
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean they won't get there because they have a
Speaker 3: lot of good players, right. But I'm just wondering what
Speaker 3: the cutoff is if you are a fan of the
Speaker 3: team they get to let's say they finish eight and four,
Speaker 3: what is the reaction from the fan base to that.
Speaker 2: I think usually speaking, obviously they're spending like they want
Speaker 2: to win a national championship in year one. I think,
Speaker 2: generally speaking, if you were to eliminate the most irrational
Speaker 2: fans on either side of the spectrum, the hope for
Speaker 2: a new coach is that they can plainly see what
Speaker 2: needs to be addressed in terms of what needs to
Speaker 2: be improved, and that there is a good faith effort
Speaker 2: if everybody's healthy, to double down in LSU's case, on
Speaker 2: whatever it is finishing the game, obviously the offense and
Speaker 2: the running game last year. The offensive line has been
Speaker 2: kind of a nightmare recently. That if you see relatively
Speaker 2: early returns that the obvious things that needed to be
Speaker 2: fixed have been fixed or are on the path to
Speaker 2: being fixed, then you're pretty excited because you know that
Speaker 2: with the talent level on this roster, if you don't
Speaker 2: do anything really, really poorly, LSU is going to win
Speaker 2: a ton of games. There's just always going to be
Speaker 2: that level of talent there on a national championship level
Speaker 2: tbd this year. But right if the offensive line clearly
Speaker 2: looks better, or that the offense is shape shifted in
Speaker 2: such a way where the offensive line doesn't need to
Speaker 2: be perfect, if they're playing tempo, if they're getting the
Speaker 2: ball out quickly, if they're creative about how to get
Speaker 2: the running game out to the perimeter, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: so that you're not counting on having an NFL offensive line,
Speaker 2: that I think people are gonna be pumped right that
Speaker 2: you sort of enhanced strengths and mask weaknesses in a
Speaker 2: way that helps you win SEC games. I think that's
Speaker 2: the expectation, a limiting, eliminating the you know, either side
Speaker 2: of the most extreme spectrum of just like, hey, this
Speaker 2: is too much, this is too soon, this they're never
Speaker 2: going to be able to fix it, or you know,
Speaker 2: all is better and fixed now that Lane Kiffin is
Speaker 2: in town. I think that's the expectation that's reasonable to
Speaker 2: have about Lane Kiffin. That's that's what I have, that
Speaker 2: the obvious, the obvious flaws need to be addressed early
Speaker 2: and often.
Speaker 3: I just don't think there's a lot of runway and
Speaker 3: no that's what gives me my cause for pause or
Speaker 3: favorite pet charity. You know, Like they've got Clemson at
Speaker 3: home to open up in Week one, they should be
Speaker 3: better than Clemson. Clemson I think has bigger questions than
Speaker 3: LSU at this point. But Week three on the road
Speaker 3: at all Miss that game is going to be nuts.
Speaker 3: Week four home against Texas A and M. Like the
Speaker 3: first half of the year, though many of these games
Speaker 3: are winnable, there are definitely a few potential losses in
Speaker 3: there that I think could sort of be a fly
Speaker 3: in the ointment and then the deeper you get into
Speaker 3: this thing. I mean they close out the year on
Speaker 3: the road at Auburn home against Alabama home against Texas
Speaker 3: back to back weeks. Then they're away consecutive games Tennessee
Speaker 3: and Arkansas to close this out. So this is not
Speaker 3: to say it is the toughest schedule in the SEC.
Speaker 3: I think, all things considered, it's spaced out reasonably well.
Speaker 3: But there are a lot of really really good teams
Speaker 3: on this thing, and if it's going to take you
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks to kind of get things in order,
Speaker 3: and who knows where Sam Levitt's at right now with
Speaker 3: his recovery from his foot. I mean, he'll be out there,
Speaker 3: but there's just so many new things that need to
Speaker 3: come together. Not everybody's Kurt Signety that can pull it
Speaker 3: together so quickly. I think Kiffen has a track record
Speaker 3: for being able to assimilate a bunch of new pieces
Speaker 3: quickly and obviously have success right away.
Speaker 1: But this is the added layer of the expectations is
Speaker 1: what I think makes this really interesting. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: We got one here from a Washington fan, Dan that
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, this is dog Man m Montlake classic of
Speaker 2: the form.
Speaker 1: Yeah Montlake.
Speaker 3: Monty says the only way that Oregon gets a recruit
Speaker 3: over you, dub is by paying double nothing else to
Speaker 3: sell recruits on at UOE.
Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, look I on a certain level, I am
Speaker 2: the wrong narrator here to talk about the Washington fans
Speaker 2: viewpoint on Oregon. Obviously, they look at Oregon with a
Speaker 2: good amount of disdain because of the attention they feel
Speaker 2: like is unfairly heaped on Oregon and the idea that
Speaker 2: Oregon is amassing all this talent that Washington is unable
Speaker 2: to only because of money, only because of the flashiness,
Speaker 2: not because they have anything else to offer. But on
Speaker 2: a certain level, I kind of feel for Washington in
Speaker 2: an empathetic way because they've been through it in similar
Speaker 2: ways to how Organ's been through it, right, losing generational coaches, Right,
Speaker 2: You've Klin de Borr having all this success and leaving
Speaker 2: after a couple of years. You have your time High
Speaker 2: on the Hog with Chris Peterson and then replacing him
Speaker 2: with an absolute disaster of a Jimmy Lake era. They've
Speaker 2: been through it, and while Organ's also been through it
Speaker 2: with the end of Mark Helfrich and then Willie Taggart
Speaker 2: Mario Christobaul leaving after some success in going to Miami
Speaker 2: and thriving that Oregon not only found their guy, but
Speaker 2: found their guy who isn't leaving at least as of yet.
Speaker 2: Whereas that would be something that you could hang your
Speaker 2: hat on as a fan of a team rooting against Oregon,
Speaker 2: that like, oh, it's a stepping stone school or something.
Speaker 2: And not only does Dan Lanning not take other jobs,
Speaker 2: but a print shirts with his reasoning for not taking
Speaker 2: other jobs where he says like that the grasses isn't
Speaker 2: always greener on the other side of the tracks, they
Speaker 2: have like these the grass is damn green in Eugene.
Speaker 2: That's they print the shirts. And so Washington fans, from
Speaker 2: what I can tell, see the energy, see the attention,
Speaker 2: see the recruiting, and their response tends to be like well,
Speaker 2: as a university, it's not a more esteemed place.
Speaker 1: There's more to do.
Speaker 2: Seattle's a more interesting place than Eugene. Why would anybody
Speaker 2: choose like the idea that somebody would rather be playing
Speaker 2: for a school that has had more success these past
Speaker 2: couple decades and that has been a more national brand
Speaker 2: these past couple decades while they've been alive is nearly
Speaker 2: incomprehensible to some Washington fans. And this is the off season,
Speaker 2: and so these are the things that occupy every every
Speaker 2: fans mind. Why would they choose that school? Our school
Speaker 2: is so much cooler and better, more interesting, and uh
Speaker 2: kind of feel for man, you know, what is.
Speaker 3: The conversation like on the text thread between you and
Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz with regard to Oregon and their expectations for
Speaker 3: this coming season.
Speaker 2: He is he is more settled on the like, Uh,
Speaker 2: Oregon's gonna win a national championship, not necessarily for this year.
Speaker 2: He was like, it's gonna happen, right, He's just like
Speaker 2: he is at peace with the idea that Oregon's gonna
Speaker 2: win a national championship, that there's too much continuity, that
Speaker 2: the recruiting has been too good, and that you know,
Speaker 2: there have been bad breaks in his estimation, in the
Speaker 2: estimation of Oregon fans some of these seasons where they
Speaker 2: get close but not not all the way there, that
Speaker 2: this year or one of these years, it's just gonna
Speaker 2: happen because they'll put themselves in a position and when
Speaker 2: the time is right, they will finally capitalize. And look,
Speaker 2: we saw with what Arsenal. They were that team, they
Speaker 2: were that squad. We saw New York pay Arsenal. But okay,
Speaker 2: well they did win a EPL right, they did win
Speaker 2: the New York Knicks.
Speaker 1: Nothing since the seventies, nineteen seventy three has been fifty
Speaker 1: three years.
Speaker 2: Yes, so maybe there is that pixie dust in the
Speaker 2: air for those teams who have gotten close but haven't
Speaker 2: been able to do it. So I'm I'm too hurt
Speaker 2: to believe fully again, But I'm sure by the time
Speaker 2: the season rolls around, or at least by the time
Speaker 2: you know, November rolls around, if they're looking very strong,
Speaker 2: I will find myself ready to be hurt again, There's
Speaker 2: no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: I will close out with this one, Dan, and I
Speaker 3: actually don't want an answer to this, Okay, I don't
Speaker 3: need you to answer this.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that makes me really want to answer it.
Speaker 1: I know it does.
Speaker 3: But this one from Auburn Sports from ghost titled how
Speaker 3: many dumps.
Speaker 1: Do you take per day? You can just leave it there.
Speaker 2: Do we think that's construction related? Do we think that's
Speaker 2: like these guys are working on a construction in site
Speaker 2: and maybe we have some backholl loader operators something like that.
Speaker 1: Is that are you at are you a oner? Are
Speaker 1: you a tour I'm not answering the question. I said,
Speaker 1: I don't want an answer. We do not need to
Speaker 1: answer this question. Is it we're a human? Do you
Speaker 1: know what theme of the book is?
Speaker 2: Show what's the name of the book for children when
Speaker 2: they're when we're talking potty training?
Speaker 1: Tie?
Speaker 2: I think it's everybody poops, everybody poops, everybody poops?
Speaker 1: Tie?
Speaker 2: Okay, And here's the only thing I'll say, please don't
Speaker 2: in response, Please, we don't need the response. Sometimes three
Speaker 2: to five is the answer given by Ghost.
Speaker 1: I think is the user.
Speaker 2: If it's more than four or five days a week
Speaker 2: that you're taking three to five, please know. I think
Speaker 2: maybe you reevaluate dietary choices.
Speaker 1: Or it's a lot of fiber.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's it's either a lot of fiber.
Speaker 2: Maybe Ghost is doing a lot of weightlifting and fiber
Speaker 2: and maybe hit training.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done hit training?
Speaker 3: Tie?
Speaker 1: The high intensity. I don't know if that's three to
Speaker 1: five though.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying there are ways where you can supercharge
Speaker 2: this effort. I have not found myself unless I'm under
Speaker 2: the weather or have eaten something.
Speaker 3: I don't need you to answer time. We're humans. I
Speaker 3: understood everybody listening to this knows we're human.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: By the way, not a sponsor could be. I suppose
Speaker 2: I haven't used it yet, though. I was given a
Speaker 2: super charged fermented Japanese green plum, which is apparently like
Speaker 2: a performance enhancer for those who might be bloated. And
Speaker 2: I haven't had to use it yet. But if you
Speaker 2: look online, people are saying this thing is rocket fuel.
Speaker 2: Great like it it sort of finds caverns in your
Speaker 2: body that an excavation that you didn't even know were there.
Speaker 2: Like you know when you know when the National Geographic
Speaker 2: discovers the islands with inhabitants that have never seen modern
Speaker 2: man kind of their modern technology, and they always just
Speaker 2: end up killing them, right, like, yeah, we went to
Speaker 2: this island, so the people that they got murdered. I
Speaker 2: think this fermented Japanese green plum is doing that with
Speaker 2: your inner workings. They're discovering, they're discovering lands that even
Speaker 2: Magellan didn't have the wherewithal to find. So on that note, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll report back if and when right at the top
Speaker 2: of a show.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you should do it. You should. You should
Speaker 1: eat it or whatever, drink it. Whatever.
Speaker 2: It's a tiny it's like the size of maybe like
Speaker 2: a very big like it's smaller than a golf ball,
Speaker 2: smaller than like a standard large plum or whatever. It's
Speaker 2: not small and it's small enough though that it's weird
Speaker 2: where they's like, maybe don't take more than half at
Speaker 2: a time.
Speaker 3: Well, you need you need to down that thing and
Speaker 3: then hit record and we'll see how long it takes
Speaker 3: for you to start feeling some grumbles.
Speaker 2: I was told you take it before bed and wake
Speaker 2: up and drink some warm water and that will that
Speaker 2: should be the timing.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, but you never know, ty, never know,
Speaker 1: never know.
Speaker 3: Uh. Go and follow four geniuses out there on social media.
Speaker 3: Thank you for all the fine work that you guys do.
Speaker 3: We appreciate it. We'll be back next week after I
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Speaker 1: Why only did the fine people go all right, but
Speaker 1: that guy have their DAN for myself over here, Ty,
Speaker 1: we'll catch you all next week meantime, Fays peace,