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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you production if I hurried you.

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Speaker 2: And today, y'all, we are so excited because we have

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Speaker 2: someone on who I know personally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 2: I know so some cool people, and she and I

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Speaker 2: are what we would call workout friends and of course friends,

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Speaker 2: but also like she really pushes the boundaries for me

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Speaker 3: But that's the whole other story.

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Speaker 2: But with that, during our times together, we recently started

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Speaker 2: talking about our current work. And this is when she

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Speaker 2: was telling me about her job and her work, and

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Speaker 2: I had so many questions I did.

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Speaker 3: I actually kind of chased.

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Speaker 2: Her down because she was like, I gotta go, but

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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, but I have more questions. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: with that, and since I get the privilege of being

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Speaker 2: on a podcast, I thought, what better way to ask

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Speaker 2: her all of these questions about her career, but do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, I will take advantage of the situation.

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Speaker 2: So, first and foremost, welcome my friend Ivy.

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm so excited Ivy, so happy that you're on

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Speaker 2: here can you tell our listeners about yourself and also

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Speaker 2: about your work?

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Speaker 4: All right? Hi, Hi, I'm Ivy otherwise known as Bernard.

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Speaker 4: I am currently a construction project manager, and that basically

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Speaker 4: means if you don't know that what it is. There

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Speaker 4: are two sides of construction. There's residential and there's commercial construction.

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Speaker 4: I am on the commercial construction side, meaning I build

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Speaker 4: you know, office spaces, recreation buildings. Sometimes there can be

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Speaker 4: some outdoor spaces like parks. It's a very very wide

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Speaker 4: variety field. Specifically, I've like personally worked on hospital renovations

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Speaker 4: ground up, which basically means you know, civil work, doing

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Speaker 4: Higher education with colleges and universities, as well as governmental

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Speaker 4: buildings in governmental spaces, and even within construction in and

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Speaker 4: of itself. There are two sides of that. There's construction

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Speaker 4: managers basically manage the budget documentation rifis, which means requests

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Speaker 4: And then superintendents, who are basically my partners in crime.

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Speaker 3: So you're like the backbone of these projects.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, the in depth level of what you

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Speaker 3: But it is completed, it is finished, and that it

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Speaker 2: Yes, So yeah, whether it's you know, providing making sure

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Speaker 3: Like I don't know. I'm just like, oh, cool, that's

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Speaker 2: In the story, right, And before we start, I did

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Speaker 2: they said in twenty twenty two, about one point three

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Speaker 2: ten point nine percent of this blue collar workforce. This

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Speaker 4: Well, I actually always wanted to be in construction. Surprisingly

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Speaker 4: It's just something that i've I'm really deep in it

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Speaker 3: I love that. So we've got two math nerds here,

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Speaker 3: not me, it's you and any uh No, not me.

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Speaker 2: I really wish it was me, because once upon a

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Speaker 3: And higher up. I'm like, not just kidding that that's

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Speaker 4: But it gets fun. It gets fun. You get to

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Speaker 2: Just now I don't try it gets fun. I can

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Speaker 4: I completely acknowledge that. So it's like that, and you know,

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Speaker 2: invited in, And that often has a lot to do

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00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: with who is expect who they expect to see maybe

437
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: or even like who have been ushered in through other

438
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 2: people that they know, like literally like the son of

439
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: somebody or the daughter or somebody here, you know, like

440
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: different things, and then being able to come in easily

441
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: in a field like it's It's quite funny because we

442
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 2: talk about in the podcasting industry that the majority of

443
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: people who listen are women, Like they out rank men

444
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: in the amount of people who listen and what types

445
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: of podcasts that listen, But the most podcast hosts or

446
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: people in podcasts are men. The people who are making

447
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,479
Speaker 2: the most money are men, even though the chunk at

448
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 2: least think it would be more even if nothing else,

449
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: and it's not. It is quite shocking because you're like,

450
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 2: but why does it have to be like this? Why

451
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: can't it my work just be my work and you

452
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: appreciate my work?

453
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 3: Like why do I have to be nice to you

454
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: if I don't like you?

455
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 4: Right? Make it makes sense? We are here to do

456
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 4: our job, so home, Like what is this? I mean?

457
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: We understand politics is a part of it. We understand

458
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: networking is a part of it, but doesn't mean it

459
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: should be not in everything, right, Like, there's so many

460
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: times of like frustration and knowing that your work, if

461
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: it was just about your work, it would stand on

462
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: its own and you should and you should be paid

463
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: based on that.

464
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: Like if it truly was about that.

465
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: And given the same opportunities, the equity and where you

466
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: started the amount of pay you get and the amount

467
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: of opportunities you get. We're all the same across the board. Fantastic,

468
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: you know, like you would feel more confident because you

469
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: know I did that. Yeah, I'm good at this, let's go.

470
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: But the politics of it all really like some people,

471
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: some especially the marginals communities, have to do the extra effort,

472
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: especially younger. Surprisingly, I think, especially in a field like that,

473
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: I'm assuming. Don't you tell me that you have to

474
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: prove yourself even more than those who just are known

475
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: by name because they've been around for so long.

476
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but surprising. So construction is going through a

477
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 4: shift where there are the older generation who are retiring

478
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: and it's it's kind of becoming difficult where a lot

479
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: of times they didn't teach like there was there weren't

480
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: systems in place to make sure that the younger generations

481
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: were being taught. You know, the standardized way of what

482
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: a company is, how a company is supposed to be

483
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: building a building and run a project. It's been you know,

484
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 4: I don't know if you I don't know exactly what

485
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: the saying is. But like construction has been one of

486
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: the industries that's the slowest to innovate. And so with that,

487
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 4: what a lot of companies I believe have leaned on

488
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 4: is every individual, older individual, they are leaning on them

489
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: to actually teach the younger generation within the project, within

490
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 4: the team that they're in, and in actuality, it hasn't

491
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: been they haven't been doing that. And then the older

492
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 4: generation has been retiring. So it's not even that, oh,

493
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: the younger generation is having a more difficult time because

494
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 4: they need us where the ones left. The older generation

495
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: is leaving, but there's not really enough people to teach

496
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 4: as well as to build the buildings. You got to

497
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 4: pick one or the other. If you have someone who's

498
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: actually capable, you want to have that capable person out

499
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: in the field to make sure everything is done as

500
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: safely as possible. So then there are less bodies and

501
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 4: there are less minds to actually pour into the youth.

502
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 4: And so there's kind of, at least what I've seen,

503
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: there's been a struggle in that transition. It's not necessarily

504
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: that younger people are having a more difficult time being

505
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: able to move up or anything like that. No, they're

506
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 4: able to. If you're able to sell yourself well enough,

507
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: if you're able to speak well or like do the

508
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: right things that you know others will be looking toward

509
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: and will be able to you can check off certain

510
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: things that will allow you to move up. Then sometimes

511
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: it's really not that hard. It's just it's a little

512
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 4: bit more discombobulated.

513
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: The word discombobulating, it's such a great words, like a.

514
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 3: Cut way of saying chaos.

515
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm in it so like I'm trying to

516
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 4: be a hard change, you know, I'm trying to be

517
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: standardized and trying to write as much as I can

518
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 4: and teach the youth as much as I can as

519
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: I go. But yeah, it's I mean, that's construction in

520
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: and of itself. Like it's just it moves at a

521
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: different pace than everything else.

522
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: That's so fascinating because I haven't thought of like techniques

523
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: when it comes to construction, although I should, like you

524
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: would think, I guess my assumption would have been that

525
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: they are. They would be at the forefront of making

526
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: sure the newest types of technology, the newest types of

527
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: like materials are being used, especially if it's thurdier or

528
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: better or I know, like with my house, I know

529
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: it's completely different. I was told because it was built

530
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: in like the seventies some things that are like, don't

531
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: replace that. If you replace that, now you're you're gonna

532
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: mess yourself up, because that is the best thing that

533
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: they could have done, and unfortunately it's no longer in

534
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: existence and all that. So that's interesting to hear, Like,

535
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: I guess it makes both sense and also kind of

536
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: baffling that they haven't moved forward in innovations.

537
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: Why do you think that is?

538
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 4: I don't have a great answer to that question. Honestly.

539
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: I think honestly the old way of doing things was

540
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: somewhat better because now the new way of doing things

541
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 4: with innovation, Innovation doesn't necessarily mean that it's actually like safer,

542
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: that it's actually more sturdy, that it's actually like for

543
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 4: them better of you know, the building of the people

544
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 4: for the long run. Innovation. I think nowadays what's unsaid

545
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 4: is that it's easier to produce. It gives it provides

546
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: that profit margin like a lot more quickly to those

547
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 4: that it matters to, you know, so you don't want

548
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: that in construction though, Like you don't want to have oh,

549
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 4: innovative PBC, it's so lightweight and all this stuff like no,

550
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 4: because you know, there's sanitary, there's fecal matter, there's like

551
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 4: chemicals going through it. You don't want that to be innovative.

552
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: You want it to be sturdy, and you want it

553
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: to last basically forever, as long as forever can be,

554
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: because what you don't want to do is what you

555
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 4: see in Atlanta a lot of times lane closures and

556
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 4: you sinkholes and things having to be maintained, and then

557
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: your daily commute is interrupted, Like you don't want that.

558
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: So to a certain extent, the slow pace is a

559
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: blessing and a curse because the slower it's moving, the

560
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: less like profit margins were really focused on, Like construction.

561
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if you have any data on this,

562
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 4: and I don't have any data on this, but there's

563
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 4: like a lot of construction waste. Construction yields some of

564
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: the highest waste in general, and use of concrete has

565
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 4: very very high emissions. And so of course there are

566
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: we have lead, which is sustainability and trying to make

567
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: a building healthier and utilizing better, more innovative options, and

568
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, sometimes using those innovative options

569
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: are more of a pain than just going the traditional route.

570
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 4: So it's just it's a more difficult problem to solve

571
00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: in construction because technically being innovative doesn't Sometimes causes are

572
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 4: issues than solutions, and it causes people to cut corners

573
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: where you should not be cutting corners when it comes

574
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: to infrastructure.

575
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, I did a bad thing and went to

576
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 5: look at the statistics since you asked, no.

577
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: We probably should not hear this. Oh my gosh, this

578
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 4: is no.

579
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: We're like all they we're not always positive sad tacks

580
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: over here. So according to Big Rents dot Com and

581
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: I have no idea who they are, but this is

582
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: their statistics they got from the Transparency Market Research. Annual

583
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: construction waste is expected to reach two point two billion

584
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: tons globally by twenty twenty five. It generates over six

585
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: million tons of construction related waste, and that was in

586
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. According to the EPA and C and D,

587
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: waste generation in the US increased by three hundred and

588
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: forty two percent from nineteen ninety to twenty eighteen. Yeah

589
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: uh so.

590
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: It's not great. Yeah no, and that's it's not It's

591
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: not like that's been the driving factor for innovation and

592
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 4: construction specifically. It's trying to reduce the waste in general period.

593
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 4: And that's kind of like what one of the biggest

594
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: tackle points I guess for lead and and that you know,

595
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 4: we're diverting the waste. We we have separate dumpsters for wood,

596
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: for metal, for miscellaneous items, so then less less things

597
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: go to landfill and go to recycling facilities. So yeah,

598
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: like there there are many many ways to try and

599
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: reduce the general waste that can be caused from construction period.

600
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's just it's still it's

601
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 4: still something you gotta do. You imagine trying to build

602
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 4: a table. You're not gonna get exactly the length of

603
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: two by fours that you're gonna need. You're gonna buy

604
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: more than you need because you're gonna have to cut angles,

605
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: you're gonna mess up a little bit and then and

606
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: so you always have to get a little bit more

607
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: than you actually than the exact amount needed to build

608
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 4: that picnic table. So that like that's the analogy I

609
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 4: can think of, is it's not just a picnic table.

610
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: It's layered. We have insulation, you have medical four metal framing,

611
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 4: you have jip, you have paint. So it's layered to

612
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: make sure the building stays warm, to make sure the

613
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: building stays dry, to make sure that like it is

614
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: a sustainable building for people to live, reside sometimes or

615
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: work in and it be a healthy environment. So it

616
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: just takes a lot and sometimes you gotta cut twice,

617
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 4: measure three times four times, and we're trying to be

618
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: better at it, absolutely. That's that's definitely something that everyone

619
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: in construction is aware of and we're actively trying to

620
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 4: be better at as well as we do. A lot

621
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 4: of companies are implementing BIM coordination VDC coordination, which is

622
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: like virtual buildings, and so you'll have an engineer go

623
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 4: and literally design the building with every component, sprinklers, with steel,

624
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 4: with drywall, and build it ventually so then we don't

625
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: have to cut you know, three, four or five times,

626
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 4: and we can lessen the amount of waste that is

627
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: produced that way. So there are plenty of things that

628
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 4: companies will implement to try to limit that waste. But yeah,

629
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: it's still something that we generate a lot of.

630
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: Well, it's encouraging to hear that they are actually making

631
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: efforts and technology is helped a little bit and creating

632
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: a way to not create as much waste which is

633
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: because in the end, we need buildings. These construction projects

634
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: give jobs. We need stable hospitals that will do will

635
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: provide the electricity in a manner that everybody can use

636
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: it as needed, whether it's like a machine for you know,

637
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: keeping someone alive, any of those things.

638
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: So these are such an important conversation because we need it.

639
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: But at the same time, like try to do best

640
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: to be stewards in the environment because we know that

641
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: the impact can be great. But it's just such a

642
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: back and forth of like what do we do, how

643
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: do we do this and also not cost millions of

644
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 2: dollars for taxpayers and all the other people as well.

645
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: So it's a big conversation. I know this, especially when

646
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: you're in this field. Like but but it's not all

647
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: bad hype rob us when you're trying to do your

648
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: job something that you did love and you do love.

649
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: But coming back to as we were talking about earlier

650
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: and just talking about you know, growing in the industry

651
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: and yeah, being a marginalized person, being a black woman

652
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: in the industry and having to really speak for yourself

653
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 2: and making sure you're getting paid what is what you're

654
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: worth because oftentimes in no industry I don't think in

655
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: one unless arc CEO or the person of like they

656
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: own the company, and even then it's still harder to

657
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 2: get what you're worth.

658
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: Like it's just in general.

659
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: Do you think you would recommend this type of job,

660
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: these types of jobs in this field to other women

661
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: or marginals people?

662
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: Yes?

663
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Why.

664
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: Because as every every aspect of life is hard, you know,

665
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: if you're marginalized in being a woman, like if honestly

666
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 4: pick your poison to a certain extent. But for construction itself,

667
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: I would recommend it because, like I, like I previously stated,

668
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 4: to see a building get built from the ground up

669
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 4: is something that's very very rewarding. And being in the

670
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 4: field in and of itself, as long as you're able

671
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: to show your competence, it's a very A plus B

672
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: equals C equation. When you are out in the field,

673
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: you show that you know what you're talking about or

674
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: you're willing to learn and ask the questions to make

675
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 4: sure that everyone's life is well in the workplace and

676
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 4: on the job site. Then there are not very many,

677
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: you know, hurdles or put there's not a whole lot

678
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 4: of pushback that you're to get. I really like I've

679
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: said before, I really haven't had a lot of issues

680
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: with trade partners and subcontractors. I have not hesitated in

681
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: asking them questions because at the end of the day,

682
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 4: we're all here, we're all contracted. At the end of

683
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: the day, we all signed up, and we are contracted

684
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: to finish this building on time, safely, and on schedule

685
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: as closely as possible, so we all have the same

686
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: end goal. As long as that is the general understanding,

687
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: I have not had issues in this industry. So with

688
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 4: that thought process and with that experience in mind, I

689
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 4: would absolutely recommend it. It can be you know, I

690
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: don't know. When you're just looking at it, Oh my gosh, construction,

691
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: it's just full of men and all this stuff. Yes,

692
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: but they're really really nice. They're sweethearts. They all have families,

693
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 4: they have children like they are not terrible people. They're

694
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: human beings, and at the end of the day, we

695
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 4: all just want to get home safely. We want to

696
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: make sure that we get a good day's work worth

697
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: of work done and then just go home and enjoy

698
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: our lives. It can be long hours. I will say

699
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: that long hours weekends. Sometimes if you are near the

700
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 4: end of a project like, I'm not gonna sugarcoat that part.

701
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: So if you're trying to look for you know, oh yeah,

702
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: three day work week. No, not at least not in

703
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 4: not in project management. Not when you are part of

704
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 4: like the daily work that's being done on site. You

705
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: got to make sure that you're there when the owner

706
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 4: needs you. Sometimes they just walk depending on the size

707
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: of the project, right you can you sometimes have a

708
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: job site trailer. You rent out a trailer and you're

709
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 4: there so they will walk in and out ask for updates,

710
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: and so you want to make sure you're readily available

711
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 4: for that. So I will say caveat long hours, but

712
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 4: otherwise I would I would just being realistic as to

713
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 4: what to expect as long as you know that's clear

714
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: and there's that general understanding. Otherwise I would absolutely recommend it.

715
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: Why do you think or do you think you can

716
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: tell me I'm wrong that it's important to have more

717
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: women in marginalized people in the industry.

718
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 4: I think it's important for women more than anything else.

719
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 4: I think that we as women sometimes internalize these messages

720
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 4: that are broadcasted about what is what we're supposed to do,

721
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: what a woman's role is. But in actuality. What really

722
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: matters is what do you want to do? What are

723
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 4: you really good at? Are you good at robotics? Are

724
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 4: you good at building things with your hands? Are you

725
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 4: really athletic? Then go towards that, Like it really doesn't

726
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 4: matter what society says, because you're going to be judged,

727
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: like no matter how nice you are, no matter how

728
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 4: much you try to be you know, loved or accepted, like,

729
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: unfortunately you can't get everyone to like you. So why try?

730
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 4: Why try to like fit into a box, into a

731
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: mold that doesn't actually fulfill you and pour into you.

732
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 4: And so I would encourage women in marginalized communities to

733
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: go into this field or any field that they may

734
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: feel a bit uncomfortable getting into, because the more you

735
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 4: have the guts to like to go into it, the

736
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 4: more other younger generational people will see you and feel

737
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 4: encouraged and see, wow, I can do it, and you can.

738
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 4: You can kind of set an example. I want to

739
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: be that example.

740
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that you were in this kind of

741
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: the industry is kind of transition and having younger people

742
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: not have these standards, and you were like trying to

743
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: teach younger people and writing these standards. How has that

744
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: process ben and why do you think that is so important?

745
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 4: So I have never been officially assigned like a mentor,

746
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 4: like as a mentor or a teacher to anyone younger

747
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 4: of the younger generation, but I do say that it is.

748
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: It's been impactful and it's been important because honestly, the

749
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: younger generation, they're so they're always curious. I feel like

750
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: that's something that never fails about them. They will always

751
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 4: ask questions. Sometimes they don't know the right question to ask,

752
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 4: but they'll find a way to get it out some way.

753
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 4: And as long as they have like a listening ear,

754
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: they will just babble babble babble on with all the

755
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 4: questions and things that they want. So I personally really

756
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 4: enjoy speaking with and connecting with with the younger generation

757
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 4: just to figure out, like what what do you like

758
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: to do? What what aspect of this entire thing calls

759
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: to you? And then additionally, like making sure that they

760
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 4: have the building blocks, the foundation of construction in and

761
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 4: of itself, which is simply being able to read drawings.

762
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: A drawing set could be three hundred four hundred pages,

763
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: and so it can be a lot to absorb. You

764
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: have plumbing drawings, you have mechanical drawings, you have civil,

765
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 4: you have landscape, architectural, and so it's being able to

766
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: look at Okay, the architectural says this, if I flip

767
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 4: it to the mechanical, it's going to show me what

768
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 4: the duct work in each room is supposed to look like.

769
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 4: You need to understand what the layout of each room

770
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: is going to look like and kind of like visually

771
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 4: created in your mind however it is. And sometimes BIM

772
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: and VDC helps with that a lot nowadays. But it's

773
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 4: really just asking questions. I really enjoy having them ask

774
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: me questions, and then I can dig into their heads

775
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 4: and figure out exactly what aspect of construction calls them

776
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 4: and what do they want to do, whether it's to

777
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 4: build it physically or be part of more management and

778
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 4: budgeting and things like that, or actually design it virtually.

779
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: So it's just you know, asking questions, being patient and

780
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 4: waiting to see how they developed.

781
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so I know I couldn't do this job.

782
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: The reading of the picture, I'm like, oh, the geometry, okay, yeah,

783
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: I can't do that.

784
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough enough.

785
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: Now I love this conversation because there's again knowing nothing

786
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: about this field as much as like, obviously this is

787
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: an everyday thing that we should be thinking about about

788
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: how things are created and how things are made. Of course,

789
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, I love appreciating an unusual building. We went

790
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: to the Seattle Library and I was like, whoa, this

791
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: architecture is really interesting and how this got made and

792
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: what they how they thought this through, like specifically of that,

793
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: but to see to think about the background and the

794
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: like the actual work it takes to even go start

795
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 2: building something. It's it's phenomenal, Like it's such a phenomenal

796
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: contact and it's existed forever. Building or creating something has

797
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: existed since the beginning of man. Like, it's just an

798
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 2: amazing thought. I'm having an existential moment. So with that,

799
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: what is one of the best experiences that you've had.

800
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: In this industry?

801
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: I think just turning over a building. Yeah, yeah, and

802
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: like being with the owner who was there every single day.

803
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 4: So I did like a church renovation a couple of

804
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 4: years back, and they literally demoed all of the seating

805
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 4: in the sanctuary and they were trying to basically make

806
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 4: it more of a like a I don't know I'm

807
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 4: not very religious, so you know, like the broadcasting churches,

808
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 4: it was like a traditional church. So they were trying

809
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 4: to make it a little bit more high tech, like

810
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: add more seats and just revamp it entirely. And so

811
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 4: going into it, initially it was scanned incorrectly. And by

812
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: scanned incorrectly, I mean that the surveyor who went into

813
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: the space the walls were supposed to exist, but everything

814
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: within it was supposed to be demoed. So when they

815
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 4: scanned it, they like there were inches like two and

816
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 4: a half inch layer of plaster that from renovation after

817
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 4: renovation after renovation that was there that was supposed to

818
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 4: be scraped off and we get it down to the

819
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: block basically, So when they scanned it, they scanned it

820
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 4: to the plaster and all of the dimensions for the seats,

821
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: and we were supposed to build the seats inside of

822
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: the space, so all of the dimensions, the overall dimension

823
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 4: was scanned to be this, but in actuality was this.

824
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 4: And then on top of that, it was a rotating

825
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: amphitheater with diagonal sides that were not the same angle,

826
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 4: And so can you imagine trying to like to just

827
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 4: get see I mean yeah, I mean yeah, so we

828
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: have to like life safety is something that you have

829
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 4: to always think about. The end goal is making sure

830
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: in case of an emergency, you have to have like

831
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 4: three foot six wide core doors and staircases. Make sure

832
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 4: there's doorways, make sure the doorways have like the space

833
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 4: and egress required around it. If there's a da chairs,

834
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: like you need to we need to make sure that

835
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: like in and around that area is flat for the

836
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 4: wheelchairs to sit on. So all of that was completely incorrect,

837
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: and we were on this deadline and but like this

838
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: was part of the team that was on earlier in

839
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: my career with the superintendent with three decades of experience

840
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 4: and myself and my project manager, and we were we

841
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: were like, Okay, we got a problem and we're going

842
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 4: to solve it. Like this is this is construction, Like

843
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 4: every day there's a problem in construction every like that

844
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 4: is something that I guess that's another thing that you

845
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 4: have to consider if you do want to get into

846
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 4: the field, that it is problem solving on a daily basis,

847
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: because the drawings that are given to you do not

848
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 4: account for what's in the real world. They're two D.

849
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 4: The real world is more than that, it's so much

850
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 4: more so. It's making sure and being being ready to

851
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 4: go out there pick the brains of every every person

852
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: and every expert you can find to help solving a problem.

853
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: So all I have to say we started out with

854
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 4: a huge problem. We we got with our structural engineers,

855
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 4: we got with the architects, we got with the owner

856
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 4: who was right there with us, and we said, ah,

857
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: we're not starting off real strong as strong as we

858
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 4: thought we were going to. We're gonna be truthful with

859
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: you now, like it's not it's not it's not what

860
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 4: we thought it was gonna be. But we're here, we're

861
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 4: gonna fix it. We have. We have, you know, found

862
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: the issue at least in the very beginning, which is

863
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 4: always good, rather than you know, pushing through and then

864
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 4: realizing that, oh my gosh, we've already released the steel.

865
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: It's very hard to change steel after you've released it.

866
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: We've already released the steel, and then we can't change it. No,

867
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 4: this was the head of the steel being approved and

868
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Speaker 4: everything like that. So we were able to get with

869
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Speaker 4: the engineer and re scan, scrape, get extra workers to

870
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: help scrape the walls, get it cleaned up, and then

871
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Speaker 4: of course there were other issues that happened throughout the

872
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 4: life of the project, but like the fact that, like

873
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 4: it was all hands on deck and we all were

874
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 4: very much focused on how do we solve this problem together.

875
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 4: There was no finger pointing at all. We worked toward it,

876
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: and we ended up actually finishing right. We ended up

877
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: finishing right on time, We were not over budget, everyone

878
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 4: was safe, we had no incidents, and it was an amazing,

879
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 4: amazing project and the owner was ecstatic. I actually still

880
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 4: have his number. So that's That's one of the best

881
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: things about a project is you know, kind of similar

882
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 4: to a Mary I want to I want to believe.

883
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: I've never been married, so I'm gonna give that caveat,

884
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 4: Like you go through things, like a successful marriage is

885
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 4: not one where you know, we're running through the fields

886
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 4: happy all the time. No, you go through some things

887
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 4: and you come out the other side together and and

888
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 4: even stronger and better than you were when you initially started.

889
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 4: So that's that was probably one of the best projects

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Speaker 4: I worked on.

891
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Speaker 3: Oh I love it.

892
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: So you what you mean to tell me is that

893
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: you were the perfect project manager in this.

894
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 4: We actually well, no, I was actually a product engineer then,

895
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 4: but yes I was, I was engineer. Well, I mean, hey,

896
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: I'm not like I said. I mean, I do not

897
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: have an ego, so I'm not gonna I am not

898
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 4: going to take I'll do it for you. Oh well,

899
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Speaker 4: thank you, Samanthe.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

901
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: I love that that your favorite moment is literally coming

902
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: together and problem solving and doing it in a professional

903
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: manner where you just learn to respect each other. There

904
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: more like, that's an amazing moment to have, Like, because

905
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, I wouldn't have expected a possible

906
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: mistake future mistake to be the like your favorite moment,

907
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: but being able to resolve it in a manner that

908
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: was satisfying for everyone and then also having a very

909
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: happy client was your moment. That's so much about you

910
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: in general life.

911
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: I'd love it.

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00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you already kind of talked about this a

913
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Speaker 1: little bit, But what advice would you give to women

914
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: who are wanting to get into this field?

915
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 4: Come on in Honestly, I've worked with women who started

916
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 4: out in architecture and they switched to construction. I have

917
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 4: worked with nurses who came into construction cut like literally

918
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 4: be ready to be ready and willing to learn, be

919
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 4: ready and willing to, you know, be in and around

920
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 4: a team of people who are there to support you,

921
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 4: to make sure that we have a goal in mind,

922
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 4: and be ready and willing to know that you will

923
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 4: be surrounded by men who will have, you know, vulgar jokes.

924
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's not going to be always PC. That is

925
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 4: the true, honest truth of it all. But as long

926
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 4: as there's that expectation, and I think, come on, come on,

927
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 4: and it's it's not it's really not as hard or

928
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: as misogynistic as assumed. I think if you can find

929
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 4: the right company, find the right team, because I can't

930
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: speak for everyone. Once you find the right fit, then

931
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 4: it's it's really how much you're willing to put in

932
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 4: to yield what you want out of it at the

933
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 4: end of the day, because construction, like one of the

934
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Speaker 4: beauties and hardships of it is, you can't you can't

935
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 4: put in very little and expect a lot back. So

936
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 4: as long as you're ready and willing to put in

937
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 4: the work to learn as much as you possibly can,

938
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 4: because there is a lot to learn, get your head

939
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 4: in that logical mindset, it's really green light.

940
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: What would you say to those who are getting ready

941
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: to go to college, getting ready to go prepare for

942
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: their studies, that want to be in civil engineering, what

943
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 2: would you tell them and how would you encourage them

944
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: to go into those fields?

945
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 4: I don't know if it would be encouragement, But get

946
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 4: ready for a lot of math, Like it's a lot

947
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 4: of math, and then on, once you get past all

948
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 4: the maths, all the diffy cues in all the things,

949
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 4: then it's just you start to go into the movement

950
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 4: and understanding movement and understanding like stationary what actual live

951
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 4: loads are versus dead loads, and like understanding aspects of infrastructure.

952
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 4: So how would I encourage the younger generation. I don't know.

953
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 4: I don't know how I would encourage them. It's just

954
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 4: don't don't let anything outside of an inability to understand

955
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 4: math hold you back, because, to be honest, that's the

956
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 4: only thing. Like if it's society, if it's friends, if

957
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 4: it's teachers telling you certain things because of their own assumptions,

958
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 4: because of their own you know, undealt whatever, that's not

959
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 4: something for you to carry. If you know for yourself

960
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: that you like physics, Like wait a minute, I like magnetism,

961
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 4: I like physics. I like chemistry because you do have

962
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: to do a little bit of chmistry. I like math

963
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 4: like it's speaks to me. I understand it, I get it.

964
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: Then there's don't let anything else hold you back. Just

965
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 4: go towards what actually speaks to you and you can

966
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 4: comprehend and you feel like you can succeed in Find

967
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 4: find advocates, because sometimes you know you can't. It's a

968
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: little bit harder to go through life alone. So make

969
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: sure to find friends, find a support system, find advocates

970
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: within the faculty so then you can lean on them

971
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 4: if you do have certain difficulties. Because you know, those

972
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 4: math classes are not easy. I'll say that much. I

973
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 4: acknowledge it, like they're not easy for me. CALC three

974
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 4: killed me, like I was not okay. I was in

975
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 4: that tha's office every day, but I realized I was like,

976
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 4: I know, I'm good at this, but this, this specific

977
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 4: class itself is really not doing me, like it is questioning,

978
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 4: making me question my intelligence. To be honest with you,

979
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 4: I really went through a whole excess central crisis in

980
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 4: that class. And physics too terrible. But yeah, those two,

981
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 4: those two classes really made me question myself. So I

982
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 4: really I that's when I leaned on my support system,

983
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 4: on my classmates, on classmates who have taken the class

984
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 4: as the previous semester, and and just keep going towards

985
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 4: what make what feels right. That's all I can really say.

986
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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you well, thank you so much for

987
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: joining us today. It's been a delight to have you.

988
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: Where can the good listeners find you?

989
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 4: I have been trying to I've been working towards having

990
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: a content creator social media presence, and I created the

991
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: user name Torn Thoughts, and it's Torn Period Thoughts where

992
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: it's going to be an account based on being human. Basically,

993
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 4: the best way I can explain it is accepting that

994
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 4: I may have an opinion about something one day, but

995
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 4: as life progresses, I may come onto some additional information

996
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 4: A friend or some other source of information will come

997
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 4: to me where the opinion that I may have stated

998
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: the previous day is completely debunked. And it's accepting the

999
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 4: fact that that's part of humanity. That's part of maturing

1000
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 4: is understanding that I don't know everything, and so it's

1001
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: trying to vocalize and voice who I am. Things that

1002
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 4: I like to do, opinions that I have about certain things,

1003
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 4: but also being ready and willing to debunk any and

1004
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 4: all things that may have been wrong in a previous post.

1005
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 4: So that's kind of the channel that I really want

1006
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 4: to that I'm planning on creating. Those user names are there.

1007
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 4: Thus far, only TikTok has any kind of content, which

1008
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 4: fitness and it's like body progress. I do plan on

1009
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: starting to record in zoomba class maybe a part of it,

1010
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:18,479
Speaker 4: maybe maybe your leg maybe maybe. Yeah, So I want

1011
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 4: to I want to, you know, record and post my

1012
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: fitness journey, nutrition epiphanies, meditation, the highs and lows of meditation.

1013
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of people will try to

1014
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 4: talk about, oh my gosh, yeah, just do ten minutes

1015
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 4: a day and it's been so rewarding. Well I've been

1016
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 4: doing twenty minutes a day and I still don't feel anything. So, hey, world,

1017
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 4: what am I doing wrong? Help me out, you know,

1018
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 4: and accepting that I don't. I just I don't know.

1019
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: I want to create a place online that is just

1020
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 4: humanity and reality of being an adult, adulting, trying to

1021
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: adult in this world realistically, without trying to sell like

1022
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 4: a solution, just acknowledging, you know, lives, highs and lows.

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Speaker 2: Torn Dot thoughts, and that's on both Instagram and.

1024
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Speaker 4: TikTok Instagram, TikTok and YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Well that's awesome, that's really exciting. Uh so, listeners definitely

1026
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: go check that out. See Samantha's leg perhaps in a cameo.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much for coming on IVY.

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Speaker 1: This has been a great conversation. Uh there's so much

1029
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: more we could talk about, so you're welcome back anytime.

1030
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Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Thank y'all, Thank you, Samantha, thank you Annie. I appreciate

1032
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Speaker 4: you all so much.

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