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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number one and

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Speaker 1: today on the show, we're joined by Janis Patelis, producer

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Speaker 1: of the Mediator TV show, and we're discussing the implications

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Speaker 1: of social media on the future of hunting. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear, and today we are tackling an

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Speaker 1: important topic, especially for this time of year. And I

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Speaker 1: know what some of you might be thinking. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's hunting season. You want a podcast packed with hunting

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Speaker 1: advice right now, And I get that, but stick with

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Speaker 1: me on this one because I think in the long run,

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Speaker 1: I think the topics will discuss today are just as important,

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Speaker 1: if not more so, than how to get an arrow

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Speaker 1: or bullet into a big old buck. But what happens

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Speaker 1: when you do get that arrow or that bullet into

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Speaker 1: a big buck. Well, for many of us, it probably

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Speaker 1: means we're gonna be posting a picture or video or

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Speaker 1: something about this animal or this experience on social media.

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Speaker 1: You know, whether that's Facebook or Instagram or Snapchat or

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Speaker 1: some other crazy new thing. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but I love getting to see all the big buck

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Speaker 1: pictures and the updates from across the country this time

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Speaker 1: of the year. But at the same time, social media

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Speaker 1: is this weird double edged sword which in many ways

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Speaker 1: is now leading to a growing spike in anti hunting

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Speaker 1: media attention and just a lot of kind of crazy stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, take for example, the whole media storm created

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Speaker 1: recently surrounding the Bomar bear spearing video and the whole

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Speaker 1: photos that have caused various frenzies here in the States.

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Speaker 1: You know, whether we like it or not, what we

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Speaker 1: post online and how we present ourselves to the outside world,

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Speaker 1: it's becoming a major factor in the future of hunting

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Speaker 1: in America, in North America, and really across the entire world.

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Speaker 1: So well, that said, today we're joined by Janice ptel

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Speaker 1: Us to discuss this kind of messy topic of social media,

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Speaker 1: perceive hunting, and a lot more along those lines. In

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Speaker 1: addition to being the producer of Steven Ronella's Meat Either

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Speaker 1: TV show. Janice is just a just a very informed

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Speaker 1: and thoughtful person when it comes to topics such as these.

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Speaker 1: So I think the end result here is that we

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Speaker 1: had just a really interesting and thought provoking conversation that

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Speaker 1: I think if you guys can take a little time

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Speaker 1: hope you will. So with that said, before we dive

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Speaker 1: into this whole discussion, we do need to thank our

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Speaker 1: partners at Sick of Gear for their longtime support of

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Speaker 1: this podcast. And today's sick of story comes from another

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Speaker 1: Sick employee, Alex Tannembaum. And Alex came to hunting late

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Speaker 1: in life, and in this story, he recalls one of

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Speaker 1: his very first bow hunts for white tails from a

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Speaker 1: from this experience. Because it's getting light, you know, I

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Speaker 1: And next week returned to Alex's story to hear how

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Speaker 1: And it's a little bit surprising what ends up happening here.

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Speaker 1: Janice patel Us on the phone. All right with us.

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Speaker 1: Now on the line is Janice patel Us. Welcome the show, Yannice.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Mark. Yeah, we uh, we already

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Speaker 1: had an interesting conversation about the Latvian Janice is in

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Speaker 1: so keep that in mind everyone, but hopefully that's not

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Speaker 1: So your guy I wanted to talk to on this

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Speaker 1: Yeah you bet. Um, try to keep it. Uh it's

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Speaker 1: a sinct um. I produced the Meat Eater television program,

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Speaker 1: of Steve just to kind of drive the story along

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00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: a little bit or to to you know, I just

428
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: need him to expand on an idea. UM A lot

429
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: of times I'll just have a quick conversation with Steve

430
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 1: and say, hey, man, you know this I think is interesting.

431
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: We should talk a little bit more about this when

432
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, when it comes to you. And then um,

433
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: with Steve, a lot of times it's not like, hey,

434
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: let's check in right now about what's going on with

435
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 1: moose hunting. We'll just have like a kind of a

436
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: grander vision or a grander idea and I'll say, man,

437
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: that was interesting about how you know, the biologist talked

438
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 1: about how the moose, uh, you know, interact with the

439
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: amount of pressure of hunters in this burn area wherever.

440
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: It might be about something that we read in that

441
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: pre research, you know, stuff that I was doing, and

442
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: then a day later, maybe Steve will look at the

443
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: camera and give me something really interesting about you know

444
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: that topic. Um So I try to kind of urge

445
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: him along a little bit. I guess to uh, if

446
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, usually it's gonna be interesting to

447
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: the viewers. Um, and uh are you are you the

448
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: guy that makes Steve interesting? Then? Are you know? Um,

449
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, there's probably maybe you know, one percent, you know,

450
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: Yanni in every you know show of like a little

451
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: drop of you know, actually a bit of information that

452
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: might come out of his mouth, something that we've talked about,

453
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, through the course of making the show. But no,

454
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's definitely Steve. He's Uh, it's pretty amazing,

455
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: you know when it when it comes to that, And um,

456
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know about how much you know,

457
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: background he has in the in the writing world and

458
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: just what a talented writer he is, and how much

459
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: that you know, really um kind of forms who he

460
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: is as a television host. Um, it goes a long way,

461
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you know, I think he's great as

462
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: a host of the show. But I actually I am

463
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: a fan of Steve most for his writing. I love

464
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: his books and the articles he's done and everything. But um,

465
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: but I got I got something I'm kind of curious

466
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: about this related to what you've just shared. It's also

467
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: kind of related to this larger overarching topic I was

468
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: hoping we touch on, and that's kind of you know,

469
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: the how hunting is perceived by the public and how

470
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: social media and the greater hunting industry media, you know,

471
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: all sort of forms those perceptions, and I'm kind of curious,

472
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, with with the media or TV show, at

473
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: least from my perspective, I think it's one of the

474
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: shows that does a better job of um, of showcasing

475
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: what hunting is about and who we are as a

476
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: community in a positive light. And I'm just kind of

477
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: curious how much of that, you know, went in on

478
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: the front end when you guys are creating these shows

479
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: and episodes and thinking about the direction of the show,

480
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: whether it be an individual episode or just the overarching

481
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: theme of what you guys have created over this. So,

482
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: however many seasons there have been, how much do you

483
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: think about that? Is us anything about all? Um? I

484
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: definitely think about it, and that's part of you know,

485
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't in at ground zero with Meat Eat or

486
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, I came in about um, you know, maybe

487
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: a year and a half into it, so they kind

488
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: of had that they had their vision I think fairly

489
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: well ironed out and and and we're on a path.

490
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: Um I hope that I've added, you know, to to

491
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: that and you know, made the message stronger. Um only

492
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: we we necessarily have like ever created something like reactionary

493
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: to you know, kind of what you're talking about, But

494
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: we've definitely not. We just want to make our own

495
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: hunting show. We we didn't. Like. Steve is always stressing

496
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: that I actually watched less Hunting TV because and and

497
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: he'll tell you this about writing too. It's like he

498
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: a lot of times tries not to read, um, stuff

499
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: that's similar to what he writes, because that can influence

500
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: the and like what you put out as a creative

501
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: and I think the same thing kind of goes with

502
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: what we do as a hunting TV show. And so

503
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: we try to really just kind of make it original

504
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: and make it our own, and that in turn has

505
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: become what you see. So it hasn't been like because

506
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: we're trying to make a certain message or whatever. It's

507
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: just like, this is what hunting is to us, and

508
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna share it. And it just so happens that

509
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: it's turned out to be you know what you see

510
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: and kind of what people call this, like, you know,

511
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: a better way to portray hunting. What kind of feedback

512
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: have you guys gotten on that. I feel like I've

513
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: heard you guys talk about getting a lot of positive

514
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: feedback from either beginning hunters or non hunters. But I mean,

515
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: is that right? Do you guys get a lot of

516
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: people commenting about that or talking about that? Yeah, it's constant.

517
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, emails and you know, Facebook messages

518
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: and you know, every social media avenue you can think of.

519
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: We get every day positive feedback, very little negative, you know.

520
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you always have haters, but really it's very

521
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: little negative, you know. And um, it's definitely good to hear,

522
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: you know. And and some of the greatest feedback you

523
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: know that I've seen that And why I really I'm

524
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: just like just so happy and you know, proud to

525
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 1: be a part of it is when we get you know,

526
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: like a letter from a senator or you know, just

527
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: someone like kind of high up and like conservation organization

528
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: that writes us like a personal letter to thank you know,

529
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: really more Steve, but us for doing what we do

530
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: because they feel like it's making a difference and it's

531
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: the right message. And uh, when you get those people

532
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: you know that that taking that time to do that,

533
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: you go, wow, that's cool, you know. I mean not

534
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: to discount when we get new hunters going, Man, you

535
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: guys change my life and I'm so into hunting now

536
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: and I'm cooking on time before I because I love

537
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: Osabuco now because you guys, I mean I get you know,

538
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: just as high off of that too. Um well, there's

539
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: definitely something special when we get just some like just

540
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: that really heavy hitting feedback. You know, yeah, for sure.

541
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: What do you think about the rest of the hunting

542
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: media outside of what you guys are doing with media

543
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: or do you I don't know, what are your thoughts

544
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: on do you pay attention to the rest of the

545
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,719
Speaker 1: media world. Do you do you think it's is it

546
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: showing is it showing us off in the right light?

547
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: Do you think, oh man, that's tough one, that's a

548
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: loaded one there mark the attention And really it just

549
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: comes down to probably the biggest reason that I don't

550
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: pay as much attension and maybe I should is because

551
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: like I have my time that I spend at the

552
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: office and and like a lot of times I feel

553
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: like it's kind of hard to be Instagram and or

554
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: Facebook and at the office because it just doesn't seem

555
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: right in my head. And then when I go home,

556
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: I try to really practice like just shutting it all down,

557
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: putting it all the way and like it's kids time,

558
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: it's family time, and that's where I need to be.

559
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: And so if missing out on the rest of hunting

560
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: media is you know, if that's the what I had

561
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: to give, um, that's just how it's gonna be, you know.

562
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: So um, you know, I mean we we all hear

563
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: about the stuff it's in the news. Uh, you know,

564
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: the cecils and the bear spearing as of late. Um,

565
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: don't you know it's uh well, I don't know if

566
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: that stuff it's the media when it grabs hold of it,

567
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: obviously it's not. It's not great for us. Um. And

568
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: it see, it does seem like sometimes when we're making

569
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: a lot of headway with you know, good positive men

570
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: that you get it's kind of a big blowback. But

571
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think that I'm hoping that

572
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: with positive messages out there, that those just have like

573
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: a stronger foundation to have longevity to where now, like

574
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: the story I always tell everybody is I have an

575
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: aunt who is a like full on Buddha chanting vegan,

576
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: almost vegan, pretty much vegetarian, like just what I call

577
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: like over the tai woo woo. Now. I love her.

578
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: She's an awesome person. I love hanging out with her,

579
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: but like definitely not something that you would when you

580
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: met her, you'd be like this person probably not into hunting.

581
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: But because of the way that I've talked about hunting

582
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: and portrayed hunting to her over now that's been you know,

583
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: twenty years now. She tells me the other day that

584
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: she's at some like art she does art, and and

585
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: she's had some uh a like a show what do

586
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: they call those? At the gallery? Like a I guess

587
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: it's just an art show, right. She's showing off some

588
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: of her pieces a bunch of other artists there, and

589
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: she overheard something. She overheard some strangers talking smack about honey.

590
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: She felt the duty on her shoulders to walk over there,

591
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: introduced herself, you know what, not all hunters are like

592
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: what you're talking about and on behalf of hunting, Da

593
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: da da dada, and kind of went on to defend

594
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: hunting and this like different version of hunting that she

595
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: knows of because of talking to me for you know,

596
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: twenty years or whatever. So I'm hoping that that kind

597
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: of stuff just like again that strong you don't just

598
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: have longevity where these little nitpicky things that pop up

599
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: in the media because you know, someone just made a

600
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: mistake or someone you know didn't think you know, about

601
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: what they were doing, about their action, and it kind

602
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: of blew up that that stuff is gonna fade away.

603
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: And even after that happens, my aunt is still gonna

604
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: probably you know, go out there and speak on behalf

605
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: of hunting. Although she'll never kill anything in her life,

606
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, she asked, actually asks the aunts to leave

607
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: um her back porch as opposed to like, you know,

608
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: killing him with some sort of sex side or whatever. Okay,

609
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 1: so that like really paints to pick who she is.

610
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: She's not killing anything, but yet she felt compelled to

611
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: speak on behalf of hunting. I think that is a

612
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: really really great example of the power of the disproportionate

613
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: power of in person interactions when it comes to this

614
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: type of stuff. You know, like your personal interaction with

615
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: someone and your personal representation of hunting is going to

616
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: be much more powerful than anything someone might see on TV.

617
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: So I think that's an important thing for all of

618
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: us to keep in mind. Probably, you know that one

619
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: time that we interact with such and such non hunter

620
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: or so and so woo w person. You know what

621
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: we say, how we say, it might be their one

622
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: in person interaction with somebody like us, a hunter, and

623
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: that might form their entire perception of what this community

624
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: is all about. You know. So that's an interesting Yeah,

625
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: all these little blips that everybody gets through their phone

626
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, it just doesn't stay in your head that long,

627
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, what what do you think about the

628
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: whole under arm or issue? You know, you you kind

629
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: of referred to the spearing deal. What's your take on

630
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: all that? We haven't talked about this on the podcast yet,

631
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: so I'm curious about your thoughts and dance too. Yeah,

632
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: you're probably itching to talk about it, I'm sure, Um,

633
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, and I've gotten the chance now since it's

634
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: been a while. I mean, heck, it's been a month

635
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: at least, you know, I mean the video has been

636
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: out for many months, but I guess the blow up

637
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: is about a month ago or so. Um, you know,

638
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: I got no problem with people's spearing animals at all. Actually, Uh,

639
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: when I was a young hunting guy, we used to

640
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: always we hunted wallows a lot, you know, and we

641
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: kind of got this idea that we would one day,

642
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, basically lay down in a wallow, you know,

643
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: with a spear and when that bowl came in there,

644
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to spear a bowl. So it's

645
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: not like I've never thought about doing it. And uh,

646
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: it's like I give um what's his name that did it?

647
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: Some Yeah, Josh, I give him mad props for what

648
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: he did because it's like I know, and I did

649
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: listen to a podcast where he was interviewed by the

650
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: Greedy Bowman guys, and like, you know, that guy did

651
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: an amazing amount of training and act as he's like

652
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: a collegiate javelin thrower. Like it's like I would need

653
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: two years of practice probably until I could think about

654
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: going and using spear on animals. So like, yeah, it's

655
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: amazing props for what he did. Um, I feel that

656
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit the way that it was portrayed

657
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: on the video there was um the I think and

658
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: not my personal opinions, but within the you know, kind

659
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: of group I run with here in Bozeman and just

660
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, people that are involved with us and work.

661
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: You know, we talked a lot about it when it happened,

662
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: and um, I think the thing that got most people

663
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: it was kind of the excessive celebration afterwards, at least

664
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: like around here, that seemed like it was just like

665
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: a little bit distasteful and maybe a little disrespectful. And

666
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: again I'm not saying that that's what he meant by it,

667
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: or that that's what he was doing, but that's how

668
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: it came across on that video. And I think that

669
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: that is like the biggest thing that we just have

670
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: to when we are putting stuff out there in the media,

671
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: that we have to watch out for. It's like, it

672
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's legal, if it's ethical, if you

673
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: did everything right, you gotta think about how you're putting

674
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: it out there. And I had a friend of mine saying,

675
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: asked me, He's like when we were having the same conversation,

676
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: he said, well, you like spend every day of your

677
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: life thinking about how to make non hunters into hunters.

678
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, no way, not at all. But

679
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: I do spend time thinking about how to like portray

680
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: hunting in a good light non hunters, you still be

681
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: pro hunting and not anti hunting. And so I do

682
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, that's one of those instances where, um,

683
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: you know, someone whoever somewhere along the lines after it

684
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: left them and they made it, they maybe just didn't

685
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: have that producer or that oversight or a dad or

686
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: someone of a like a just someone to say, hey,

687
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you should just alter this a little bit,

688
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of other people could

689
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: have done the same thing, go out and spear bear

690
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: and told that story in a little bit different way,

691
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: and it maybe would have been you know, not blowing

692
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: up the way it did, and it would have been

693
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: a little more acceptable. Um. Yeah, that's my sense on it. Yeah, no,

694
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: I think that you echo a lot of the things

695
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: that are kind of floating around in my head. Um,

696
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: what do you think about how under Armour reacted to

697
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: it on the other on the flip side of the equation. Yeah, well,

698
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean there again, I don't know the numbers enough.

699
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: I didn't really delve into under Armour numbers, but I

700
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: heard a couple of things to the grapevine that like

701
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: under Armours obviously multibillion dollar company. I think that like

702
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: hunting is like twenty million bucks for them or something

703
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: like that. Anyway, So it's like this Mike, you know,

704
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: microcosm of their giant company. So the people that are like,

705
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, they're tapping in and just trying to

706
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, suck money out of hunting. And now they're

707
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: distant things in themselves from hunting because of this thing.

708
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: It's like the kind of but not really, you know,

709
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: they've probably done as much good as they have, you know,

710
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: if any bad at opera hunting, And so I don't

711
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 1: really get that argument. Um, I feel that that reaction

712
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: was pretty normal, um, you know, with the way that

713
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: it blew up on you know, wherever you want to

714
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: call it in the media. And uh, I feel that

715
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: probably where the mistake was made is that, like I said,

716
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: the right filter wasn't in place early on, because if

717
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: I understand correctly, they actually posted the video long before

718
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: anybody got mad about it. Is that is that how

719
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: you understand it? That's correct? Yeah, And so again I

720
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: just feel like somebody aren't under armor. Wasn't there to

721
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, you know what, this is cool?

722
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, for sure, I kind of feel the same way.

723
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: You know, their business and hunting is a very very

724
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: tiny part of that business, and they're gonna make a

725
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: business decision. You know, I don't think you know, we're

726
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: on your podcast, Dan talking about this earlier this month,

727
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, just after it happened, and my whole take

728
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: on the thing is is probably exactly almost exactly what

729
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: you just said, you honest. You know. Number one, when

730
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: it comes to a business, I'm not expecting them to

731
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: fight on behalf of hunters or you know, uphold our

732
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: rights or something, because that's not who they are. Maybe

733
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: if it was a purely hunting company and they were

734
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: a percent dependent on us, you might expect that. But

735
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: I will always expect a business to make business decisions.

736
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: Even though I might not like that and maybe I

737
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: won't think it's right, it's still probably the realistic expectation

738
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: we should have. So in this case, like you said,

739
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: you honest, it's a microscopic, tiny piece of their business.

740
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: Of course they're gonna air with a larger part of

741
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: their their customer base. Um. Then to the point of

742
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, the video itself, I think that's the bigger question,

743
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: or the bigger takeaway I've I've gotten from all this

744
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: is just what a reminder this, this is of the

745
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: negative power or negative influence that one mistake. And like

746
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: you said, maybe it's not a hun percent mistake, maybe

747
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: it's just a little tweak of how they presented things.

748
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: But whether you like it or not, I guess it's

749
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: the how significant of an impact one piece of content

750
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: like this can have if it's not if it's perceived

751
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: negatively by a large population of people. And I mean

752
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: we saw coming out of like the cecil stuff you know,

753
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: that was legal stuff that happened over Heck, I can't

754
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: even remember exactly what all was finally decided on, but

755
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: stuff going on over there, changed laws related to airlines

756
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: importing parts and hides and different things from animals over

757
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: Africa that influenced tons and tons of people in this

758
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: case because of one video that you know, whether they

759
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: did a great job with it or not, this one

760
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: video got picked up by the media, picked up by

761
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: the general public. They perceived it pretty negatively, and now

762
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're seeing spearing becoming illegal in

763
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: different places. So my big takeaway is what happens. You know,

764
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: this is like a what's the right way to say it's, um,

765
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a warning shot. You know, really

766
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: serious stuff can come out of these types of quote

767
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: unquote mistakes. So we need to be careful about what

768
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: we put out there. We need to make sure that

769
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: we try to have that filter and think about these things. Now,

770
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: like you said, take an extra second and say, you know,

771
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: how's this gonna go over? Um? Because the ramifications are

772
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: really significant. As we're starting to see, there are many

773
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: methods of take that are completely legal in the Lower

774
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: forty in Alaska, in Canada that if you make a

775
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: video of and really showed it exactly how it goes down,

776
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: people are going to freak out about it. There's nothing

777
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: wrong with it. It's legal, it's ethnically right. I'm not

778
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: going to mention what those what those things are, but

779
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: like there are methods of hunting they're completely legal. But

780
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: to most people are gonna be like, ah, you know,

781
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: if we hunted with bows and arrows the way that

782
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: um Art Young and Saxon Pulp that get it right,

783
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: wasn't the opposite? The opposite was it was Art Young?

784
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: I think I mean those if you roll, if you

785
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: read their stuff from back in the day, they rolled

786
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: around packing like two hundred arrows into a hunt, and

787
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: they would fire at all kinds of ranges and fire

788
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: many many arrows at a single animal to bring it down.

789
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: You go ahead and make a video of that going

790
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: down right now, and see how and see how fast

791
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: traditional archery or even archery is gonna last. So then

792
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: what about this? And Dan, I want to I want

793
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: to get your take too, but really quick, I'm curious

794
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: from either one of you. So when we start talking

795
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: like this, you know, when we start talking about like

796
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: you just said, Younus, there's certain things that if we

797
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: made videos of it, it would have huge blowback. When

798
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: we start talking about this, you start getting some people saying, ah,

799
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: stop your pandering, stop pandering now, and a hunter stopped

800
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: being a big wuss. And you know, we have a

801
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: right to do this. It's legal, we can do it.

802
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: I don't need to apologize about it. Blah blah blah.

803
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: What do you say to that? No, you, I mean,

804
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: they're completely right. You don't have to know not I mean,

805
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: nobody's like forcing them to do that. But if they

806
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: haven't figured it out yet, you know, laws are made

807
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: and uh, you know rights are taken away by voting,

808
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: and people will vote. Are hunting so called rights right

809
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: out from right around from underneath us? Yeah, we're definitely

810
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: and it What what scares me is the knee jerk

811
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: reaction type decisions that come out of the stuff. You know,

812
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: like there's this huge outcry and then before even people

813
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: get to think about it, you know, changes are made,

814
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, laws are changed or stuff happened so fast

815
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: because of some crazy outcry that now maybe the media

816
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: or social media or something allows it allows these things

817
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: to spread so rapidly and then bam, this thing's done.

818
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: Um that's what really scares me. And nobody's talking about

819
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: spearing bears anymore. I mean, I don't know, I've been

820
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: in the woods for two weeks, but just slipp flipping

821
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: through Instagram today, there wasn't anybody you know, talking about

822
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: spearing bears. It's like it's kind of like that conversation's

823
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: gone right, It's it's in and out. What what do you?

824
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: What's your tike on all this? Dan? You we we

825
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: haven't got to have your opinion on this whole deal

826
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: on weird Hunt. Yet it really sucks because I think

827
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of issues in this one instance

828
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: that need to be that need to be talked about,

829
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, this isn't the podcast to

830
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: actually talk about it, because it's an entire podcast by itself.

831
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: But for me, you know, kind of a breakdown of it.

832
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: Do I think that that hunt could have been edited

833
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: a little bit different before it was released? Yeah? Probably?

834
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: Um do I think that hunters, you know, like the

835
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: people who are producing this, who are who are we

836
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: making this for? Do we need to do we need

837
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: to make sure that we're editing it and putting it out,

838
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: you know two, you know, for that the person who

839
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: may get offended by it. I mean, how how long

840
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: until we're not showing kill shots on animals anymore on

841
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: our hunting videos? You know what I mean? Just to

842
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: just to say I don't want to offend these people

843
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: so they get piste sign a petition and then my

844
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: sponsors dropped me. You know, I understand that there's there's

845
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about in there. Um. I I'm

846
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: kind of fired up when it comes when it comes

847
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: to you know, under armour, they posted the video, shared it.

848
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: We're congratulating Bomar several months before the Antis got ahold

849
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: of it, they signed up. You know, they put down

850
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: a petition that you know was upwards of seven maybe

851
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: under I'm just gonna say under ten thousand dollars or

852
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: ten thousand signatures before it was all said and done.

853
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: And when all that went through, Um, that just shows

854
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: me that a company who it was wanting money from

855
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: us then got pressured by anti Hunters dropped these guys.

856
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: That tells me right there, I'm not for me. I'm

857
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna buy under Armour again. I'm

858
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: not gonna wear under Armour clothing again. Um, because they

859
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: didn't stand behind who were they were trying to get

860
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: money from. Although yes, it was a good business decision

861
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: for them, I'm a Hunter. I don't need to support

862
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: them right there. And you know, and then there's the

863
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: whole issue about you know, like the Druries, the Lakoski's,

864
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: the Eva Shokis to the world, the Cameron Handes of

865
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: the world. You know, why are you still supporting this

866
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: company when the when they just did not back the

867
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: Hunter on this occasion. You know, now we're talking about

868
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: business again because we know that the guys are getting

869
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: paychecks front under Armour. These guys are going to be

870
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: potentially loot if they stood up to under Armour and said,

871
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, we don't like what happened here. There's giant

872
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: contracts in place that we don't even know about, dollar

873
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: amounts that we don't even know about, where they could

874
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: be not only losing, but under Armour could come back

875
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: and say, all right, well you it was your your

876
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: the reason that you're dropping this sponsorship, so now we

877
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: can come back in and take some more, you know,

878
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: than what we've actually given you. So that's stuff that

879
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: we don't even know about that could potentially happen. So

880
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: of course the druries put out a vague response, you know,

881
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: other celebrities or entertainers put out um no response at all.

882
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: And for me that I don't know why, but that

883
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of rubs me the wrong way because they're making

884
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: their money off of us, right they they have they're

885
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: getting their dollar amount, you know, their their money to

886
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: try to talk to us into purchasing you know, under

887
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: Armory gear. I'm not going to purchase it, so why

888
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: are you repping it after all that has happened? You know,

889
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: these these are just obviously random thoughts coming into my

890
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: head all at one time, and no, no organizational you know,

891
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: no organization, but you know, so it's just there's so

892
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: many things wrong. And then we have the which to

893
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: me is the most important thing is this has caused

894
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: even a bigger divide amongst hunters right right, So this

895
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: is all kind of past right now, right where we've

896
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: we've forgotten about this. So how long until these anti hunters,

897
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, go to some hunter who does a really

898
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: and I'm just going to use this as an example, uh,

899
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: goes to the meat Eater television show and says, you

900
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: know what, I don't like you. I don't like this,

901
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: and they're gonna find a way to get you know.

902
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: Ten Tho, However, many people to back these because there's

903
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: way more crazy assholes out there than there are sane assholes.

904
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: In my opinion. Uh So, I don't know, I'm just

905
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: firing off random thoughts my brains, firing random random things.

906
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: But I think that this is it's way bigger and

907
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: there's so many topics within this this one instance that

908
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: you need to break down and talk about. So the

909
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: long story of the long story short, I feel that

910
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: it's caused even a even a rift between hunters and

911
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: when we need to kind of look past it and

912
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: remember that we can't let the ani hunters win no

913
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: matter what happens. We have to unite and and unite

914
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: under one voice so that our privileges are rights are

915
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: not taken away from us. You it. You bring up

916
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting things, which you're right, we could

917
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: dive into a whole bunch of those. But what you

918
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: just said there, right, We've talked about this before, but

919
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm curious about your taking honest this whole topic of

920
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: uniting his hunters versus you know, calling things out like

921
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: this maybe isn't right or maybe we need to tweak this.

922
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: I feel like when that conversation starts happening, Like I

923
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: know you and Randy had a big conversation about the

924
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: long distance shooting thing, and how you said, well, okay,

925
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: there's some questions about some of this stuff. When you

926
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: start having those questions, there's a certain segment of the

927
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: hunting community will say, you know, if you're raising these questions,

928
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: if you're saying this stuff, you're dividing the hunting community

929
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: and you're helping the anti hunters or whatever whatever. What

930
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Yes, Yeah, I don't sense

931
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: the like the device and is quite as much. And

932
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: again it might not might be just because I'm not

933
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: like looking at it in the media and seeing it

934
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: there as much. Because I feel like I really haven't

935
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: run into too many people that feel to you outside

936
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: of this issue that you know that you know than

937
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: I do, or that we've been discussing here. Um, but

938
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It's like there's bad apples

939
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: in every category and every group of people in life.

940
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: I mean, for if you want to go there and

941
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: you can look look at it, Like with the Muslim thing,

942
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: it's like, in my opinion, all Muslims are not bad.

943
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: Are there some bad apples right out there right now

944
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: that are really making them look bad? Especially in American eyes? Yes,

945
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: it's like really really bad. Does that make all Muslims bad?

946
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: And not in my book? So that the same thing

947
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: with like the Hunting thing, And I feel like with

948
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: the Hunting thing, if you keep and this is just

949
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: like an isolated incident, you know, and uh, with with

950
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: the Bomart thing, I don't feel like he's a dude

951
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: that's like purposely shooting, like Steve says, shooting holes in

952
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: the bottom of the boat to try to sink our

953
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: collective boat. But if you have a person is consistently

954
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: doing that that it's just using rhetoric that is not

955
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: helping us move forward in a positive direction. And it

956
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: might even again, it might because he's got he's got

957
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: the right you know, he's saying okay things, but it's

958
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: just the rhetoric. It's just the wrong way to say it.

959
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: It's and it's gonna shoot holes in our boat and

960
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: bring our boat down. Well, I do feel like we

961
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: have to, you know, kick that person out of the

962
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: boat and say, you know, figure out a different way

963
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: to talk about what you're talking about. I mean, I

964
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: think the best thing about all of this is it's

965
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: just that we should just be cool with talking about

966
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: it because if anything, all it does is makes all

967
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: of us more knowledgeable about all these topics. And then

968
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: hopefully we can have that same conversation with some non

969
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: hunter and again, you know, build this like just like

970
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: stronger positive foundation that you know, at least up keeps

971
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: what we have. Maybe it will never you know, grow bigger,

972
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: but at least we can keep it rolling a little

973
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: bit longer. I feel like that's always what I end

974
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: up on this too. Like we start having this conversation

975
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: and you know, like it always comes down to that,

976
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: at a minimum, let's just allow the conversation and try

977
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: to stay civil and like talk about these things and

978
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: we don't necessarily to agree on it. But I think

979
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: it's a net positive if we at least talk about

980
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: this stuff. It shouldn't not in my opinion, it shouldn't

981
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: be taboo to talk about some of the stuff, to

982
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: talk about differences in opinion, or to talk about why

983
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: maybe X is not what I think is the best

984
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: way to talk about this or whatever it might be.

985
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: I think it's okay to verbalize that talk about it,

986
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: but I think maybe the the key is how we

987
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: go about doing that. You know, if we're condemning and

988
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: attacking that kind of stuff publicly, that's probably the stuff

989
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: that is not constructive. It just shuts people down and

990
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: gets people defensive. Um, So maybe that I think. I

991
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: feel like that's like my big takeaway from this conversation.

992
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: They feel like occasionally pops up throughout the years, as

993
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: we have these different episodes, we kind of jump onto this.

994
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, something happens where these types

995
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: of things get in my mind, and and I think

996
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: this is something we're probably helping the country in general,

997
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: whether it's hunting or not. Just being civil conversations about

998
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: differences in opinion would probably be a good thing, um

999
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: for sure. But it's just to add to that to

1000
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: your like the taboo of just talking about it. It

1001
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't be taboo if you have a change of mind,

1002
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: if you if we all have a conversation, and at

1003
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: the end of it, I go, you know what, I'm

1004
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: kind of leaning a little bit more towards you know,

1005
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: dance thoughts now, Like I just kind of rethought it

1006
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: and like I like what he said and that changed

1007
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: my mind. Don't get mad at me for that. I'm

1008
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: just like learning and rethinking. It's like, it's okay, nobody

1009
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: should get mad about that. That's funny mentioned that I

1010
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: was just having this conversation. I was on an elk

1011
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: hunt last week and we were sitting there talking about it,

1012
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, all the stuff in politics. Not to get

1013
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: into our specific political situation now, but you always hear

1014
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: this thing of like flip flapping, like such and such

1015
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: said this ten years ago, but this year they said

1016
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: something totally different. They're a flip flopper, they're horrible, and

1017
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: I got you know, you get to thinking you're like,

1018
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, evolving views, like being open to learning and

1019
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: adjusting your perspective. How is that a bad thing? You know?

1020
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: Over time? Of course, there's some examples where it's like

1021
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: obviously switching because of who you're talking to, and I

1022
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: know there's cases of that, But in some situations, like

1023
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 1: I don't think it's such a bad idea for people

1024
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: to be open to evolution and viewing things differently and

1025
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: being open to other perspectives. You know, no, not at all,

1026
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: because I'm always hoping that if you're like non hunter,

1027
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: anti hunter, that maybe you'll be open to hunting after

1028
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: talking to having a conversation with me. You know, yeah,

1029
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: I think And I think one thing that you know,

1030
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: back to the under armer thing though, is the power

1031
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: that the anti hunters have, right so, and I also

1032
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: think that a majority of the hunters kind of forget

1033
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: about that kind of thing. They forget, you know, they

1034
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: all they're focused on is what is right in front

1035
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: of their face. So with you know, a majority of

1036
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: the deer hunting seasons opening here pretty soon, if not

1037
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: already opening, they're they're thinking about themselves and what they

1038
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: need to do to be successful in the woods when

1039
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 1: there is actually a bigger picture out there all year round. Right,

1040
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: So we have to realize that if the anti hunters

1041
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: want to band together and you know, do all these things,

1042
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: they could probably do it. But so you know, when

1043
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: it comes to you know, preserving our our rights, preserving

1044
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: our heritage, you know, um conservation efforts as well, I

1045
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: just feel that, you know, we have we have people

1046
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: the hunting community just kind of forgets about the important

1047
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: things when it's not right in front of them, when

1048
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: it needs to be in front of them all the time. Yeah,

1049
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: nothing's really like stung slately, like just like bid is

1050
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: hard enough to really be thinking that way. I think

1051
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: to your point, it's something we always need to be

1052
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: vigilant of. And then also, at least from my perspective,

1053
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm not really concerned about anti hunters. You know, like

1054
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: there's that five percent or ten percent or whatever it

1055
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: is that just downright is not going to ever be

1056
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: okay with what we do or anything along these lines.

1057
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: But it's that other or nine or whatever it is

1058
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: of non hunters that are kind of in the middle.

1059
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: They're on the fence. I think that is those are

1060
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: the hearts we need to win, or at least, you know,

1061
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: and right now, for the most part, they are generally

1062
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, okay with hunting in certain contexts. You know,

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00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: I think we we talked about the stats a lot.

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: You know, I can't evenmember what the exact numbers, but

1065
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: a large majority is okay with hunting in general. But

1066
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: when you start talking about, you know, hunting for food, yeah,

1067
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: everyone's up for that. But when you say hunting for trophies,

1068
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: trophy hunting, then it's down our support of that. So

1069
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: there's all these weird little nuances that the general public,

1070
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: you know, how the influences their thoughts. But you know,

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00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm getting on tangent. Long story short, I don't worry

1072
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: so much about anti hunters. It's it's how is the

1073
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: rest of the general public perceiving what we're doing? And

1074
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: like people hate thinking about that, Like I know what

1075
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: you're saying. Damn when you talk about you know, how

1076
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: far do we have to go? You know? Can we

1077
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: not show kill shots anymore? Can we not show blood anymore?

1078
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: Can we not you know, do we have to completely

1079
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: pander and pretend that this is something that it's not.

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00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: I get that, like frustration and I don't know how

1081
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: far stuff is gonna go, and like, I don't like

1082
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: that either. But at the same time, I'm also just

1083
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: a realist and Okay, when X happens, why is the result?

1084
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: So when something gets out there that the non hunting

1085
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: public is not okay with, it is negatively, it is

1086
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: making a real negative change to what we can do

1087
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: our rights or our privileges or whatever it might be. So,

1088
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: whether I like it or not, I'm still going to

1089
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: try to make some kind of change to reduce the

1090
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: chances of that negative out come. Whether I think it's

1091
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: right or not, it's just, hey, this is the reality

1092
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: of it, and we need to do something. Um. So

1093
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: it's either we change the reaction, we change how people react,

1094
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: or we do something on our end to make sure

1095
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: the reaction doesn't happen. I don't know what the right

1096
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: answer to that is, but for me, it's it's how

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00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: can I reduce the risk of this negative reaction as

1098
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: much as possible, um while still being able to do

1099
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: what I love. And that's the trick I think for

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00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: all of us today, I think, and I think that's

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: kind of good. It's kind of where I wanted to

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00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: steer things next is just how this isn't like just

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00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: a media thing either. This is like an individual person thing,

1104
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's not just the actions of

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00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: some famous hunting celebrity that could you know, have a

1106
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: negative reaction. It could be Joe Schmo hunter. Um. A

1107
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: big difference, you know is years ago, if I had

1108
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: a hunting picture, or if I had a hunting video

1109
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: or hunting store or whatever, the only people that ever

1110
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: would see that would be my friends and family, like

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00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: the people who get me, the people who have a context,

1112
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: the bull that are in my own little tribe. But

1113
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: now with the Internet and everything, I might post that

1114
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: on Facebook or post on YouTube or whatever, and you know,

1115
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: I made that for fellow hunters or I you know,

1116
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to show this to my hunting buddies. But now,

1117
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: through crazy ways of the Internet, all of a sudden

1118
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: ends up in the anti hunter's hands or someone else

1119
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: who then you know, uses it for some horrible negative thing.

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: And we just don't have that control like we used to.

1121
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: So I think the onus is on the individual now

1122
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: to have that filter. Like you were talking about Janice

1123
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: Um to at least at least think about this stuff, right, Yeah, totally. Man.

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01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: I used that example of the like the little like

1125
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: when was the last time you had like your little

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01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: flip photo album? You know, it's like everybody used to

1127
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: have one of those that had like twenty or thirty

1128
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: pictures in their truck. You meet somebody on a job

1129
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: and then you can like be like, oh, you're a

1130
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: hunter too, Oh at lunch, you know, let's you know,

1131
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: share photos. You know you you know you'd share, you know,

1132
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: trade them, and you know you flipped through the little book.

1133
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: But now it doesn't work, and so it was only

1134
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: really shared. You know, you had that filter already in place.

1135
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: It's only shared with other hunters. Now, yeah, you put

1136
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 1: it on wherever and it just it just blasts out

1137
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: to the world. Right, Okay, So social media good or

1138
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: bad for hunting? What do you think on us? Oh,

1139
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: he's bad for the world, it's bad for humankind. What

1140
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: do you say, Dan, I'm gonna would Mark, would you

1141
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: be in business if there was no such thing as

1142
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: social media? Probably not. Nope, neither would I. And that's

1143
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: where it's like I almost feel like the power is

1144
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: somewhere else right now. So it's like hunting is existing

1145
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: because there's somebody else out there who doesn't care enough

1146
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: about it too, like let it not exist? Does that

1147
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: make sense? Is that? Does that make sense at all?

1148
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: You're saying like hunting is okay right now because people

1149
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: just the people that wouldn't be okay, but it just

1150
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: don't care enough to do something about it, right or

1151
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: or or they might not be organized enough to quite

1152
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: attack it yet. Right. I just feel like this is

1153
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 1: they're like a battle cry. Right. I don't know why,

1154
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: but it's like right now, this whole under armor thing

1155
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: God forgot about in a couple of weeks. No one's

1156
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: talking about it anymore. It's it's water under the bridge,

1157
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: when in my opinion, I feel that is an attack

1158
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: on us. They just they just organized and said, Okay,

1159
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: we don't want you to support this group of people anymore.

1160
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: So they organized and they they won a small battle. Right, So,

1161
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: what what have we done? What have we done? Well?

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01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think. I don't think we've done

1163
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: too much anything. No. I think it's not like it's

1164
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 1: not a new thing though, you know. I mean this

1165
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: was one instance related to like hunting a visual like

1166
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: a a personality or something. But I mean probably every

1167
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: month or every week somewhere across the country there's some

1168
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: kind of anti hunting initiative, whether it be trying to

1169
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: ban the use of dogs for mountain hunting in California,

1170
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: or trying to ban the use of baiting for bears

1171
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: in Maine, or trying to that National Deer Alliance article.

1172
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: You know, they were coming out with Staten Island not

1173
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: allowing I think it was Staten Island or was it

1174
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: Long Island not not allowing hunting so they captured the

1175
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: deer and sterilized them instead. Blows my mind. Yeah, there

1176
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: there there's a lot of these things going on, and

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01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: I I think, you know, this has been going on

1178
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: for a long time, right and we haven't lost our

1179
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: problege to hunt. But but I think what we see

1180
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: is like there's this small minority right hand, anti hunters

1181
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: are a very small minority, but they're loud and they're

1182
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: passionate about something. And then you've got the hunting community

1183
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: that's a small minority and we're passionate. But the difference

1184
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: is this we as hunters, we're passionate about our own activity,

1185
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: Like we're passionate about what we do, so we put

1186
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: most of our time and energy and passion into doing

1187
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: that thing. Then you've got the anti hunters. They're not

1188
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: passionate about doing something they love. They're just passionate about

1189
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: stopping us from doing our things. So their whole passion,

1190
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: their time, that energy goes into the action of stopping

1191
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: what we're doing. UM. So I think that's why we

1192
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: see like they're taking actionable steps, maybe more often than

1193
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: the hunting community does sometimes at defending that. Um. But

1194
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: to your point in I mean, we do need to

1195
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: be ever vigilant. We do need to be you know,

1196
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: getting involved when we can, and as individuals, I'll keep

1197
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: preaching it. We also need to our own individual part

1198
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: two to portray a positive representation of all this stuff

1199
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: and then get involved with organizations that are supporting hunters

1200
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 1: and give our time and energy and money to do

1201
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: all those different things. Um. Because I don't think this

1202
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: is gonna stop right. I mean, we had the Beaumar

1203
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: thing recently, we had cecil line last summer, we had

1204
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, the Melissa Bachman with a deadline, and we

1205
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: had such and such person with another African animal and

1206
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: there's always it seems like it's just becoming a trend

1207
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: and I don't know what's next. But I don't know.

1208
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't know where this all goes. But we need

1209
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: to probably do a better job preemptively preparing for it.

1210
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: I would think, how do you do that? That's the question.

1211
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you guys have any bradies? But actually,

1212
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: before we move on to those next thoughts, we need

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Speaker 1: to take a quick break to thank camel fire dot

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Speaker 1: and I have taken advantage of in the past, which

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Speaker 1: is pretty nice. But interestingly enough, in my previous job

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Speaker 1: before going full time with ware and Hunt, I actually

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01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: got to know the founder of camel Fire just as

1222
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: he was starting this business, as they were actually using

1223
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: some of the online marketing tools that my company had created.

1224
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: So that said, I recently reconnected with camel Fire founder

1225
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: Kendle Card to hear just a bit about what was

1226
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: like launching a company like this From scratch. Man, it

1227
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: was like everything was against us to get Camel Fire

1228
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 1: off the ground. And even at one point we threw

1229
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: in the towel and you know, are my wife encouraged

1230
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: me to kind of rekindle the website, you know, as

1231
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: it was almost done, and like, okay, fine, we're gonna

1232
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: give it one more chay and and it was so

1233
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we we launched it, and uh,

1234
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was like, man, I can't

1235
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: believe it took us that long just to get to

1236
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: this point. And it was still wasn't perfect. I mean,

1237
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: that's that's one thing that I kind of learned about

1238
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: about business, and it's just like you wait for something

1239
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: to be perfect, it's never gonna happen ever, Right, So

1240
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: it was it was kind of a kind of a

1241
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, it was a whirlwind of struggle and conflict

1242
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: and overcoming on a ton of things and then finally

1243
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: just having enough grid to put it together and launch it.

1244
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: And so Campbellfire was a you know, it was a

1245
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: pretty pretty humble beginning right in March basement. And uh

1246
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: and from there we've you know, we've obviously grown. It's

1247
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: been almost eight years. Wow, what did that feel like

1248
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: that moment after all that adversity, when you finally you know,

1249
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: turn it on and sent it out into the world.

1250
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 1: What was that moment like for you? Well, the two

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Speaker 1: things it was. It was you know, thrilling and scary

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Speaker 1: all at one time. It's like, I'm psyched we finally

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01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: got this thing up. And then it's like, okay, people

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01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: can start buying stuff now. I can definitely relate to

1255
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: that kind of shock of your thing actually launching and

1256
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: try and wrap your head around that. And yes, you

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Speaker 1: can start buying stuff now. And if you'd like to

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Speaker 1: And with that said, let's get back to the show.

1262
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm cue passed. I don't know. Yeah,

1263
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: does any of this makes sense to you? No? I

1264
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: mean it all makes sense, you know. I think, like

1265
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: I've said before, the conversation is as important as anything, um,

1266
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, and just you know, I mean, Dan brings

1267
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 1: up a good point. It's like what have we done?

1268
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: You know, And it kind of took me a while

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Speaker 1: to you know, think about that. But I do feel that,

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01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, Rocky Mount Volk Foundation, you know, they've got

1271
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: there haunting his conservation message that they're trying to push.

1272
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's it is what it is. It's good,

1273
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: like all those facts are great and whatever. Do I

1274
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: feel like it's maybe sometimes it's just like we're patting

1275
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: ourselves on the back because when they put it out

1276
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: on their Instagram, who sees that besides hunters, right, very true,

1277
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: it's like great, good job Mark, good job man. You know.

1278
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: It's almost like we need a message, not it's like

1279
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: we need to form a voice, and it's it's all right,

1280
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: like what you said. You know, the Rocky Mountain Elk

1281
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: Foundation is doing all these great things, but they're not

1282
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 1: telling that to the people who don't like us. The

1283
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: hunting community needs a PR agency that talks to the

1284
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: rest of the world. That's that's what we really need.

1285
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: We need. We need some PR help and interesting. I

1286
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw this, Yannis, given your connections

1287
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: back to Colorado, but I know Colorado has actually been

1288
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's their fishing gaming agency or

1289
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 1: who's funding this, but they've done like an advertising campaign

1290
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: promoting the positive benefits of hunting and hunting dollars and

1291
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: conservation and stuff to help the whole recreational public. Have

1292
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: you seen anything about that? Yeah, you mean like the

1293
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: like have you hugged hunter lately? Yes? Yes, that's pretty

1294
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: cool idea, the very very man and like I think

1295
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: that came out right and now I was leaving Colorado

1296
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, you'd see just posters pinned up where

1297
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: there's like the mountain biker with his bike in one

1298
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: hands in the midstream like hugging the fly fisherman, you know,

1299
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know had the message right there. It's

1300
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 1: like that's awesome. You know that message needs to be

1301
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: spread throughout the nation for every state. Yeah. There, there's

1302
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: just feel like the rural areas it happens a lot more. Um.

1303
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, we have a good friend Kevin Murphy down

1304
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: there in Kentucky. We've done a couple of episodes of

1305
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: him now and he's just the hunting list, fishing list

1306
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: fool you've ever met. Man. The guy just gets after it.

1307
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: And at the same time he's just so involved with

1308
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: his community and such a positive force in his community

1309
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: that anybody that's relate, you know, remotely, you know, affected

1310
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,839
Speaker 1: by what he does is probably maybe not pro hunting,

1311
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: but like like on the plus side of hunting, you know,

1312
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: they're not anti. They're like, even if they're not hunters,

1313
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: they're probably not going to vote against it or or

1314
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: or speak badly. I love it because of what this

1315
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: guy does, you know, in his community, and um, how

1316
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: much he's involved and he's you know, taking kids out

1317
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,480
Speaker 1: hunting and just being involved in just like voting access,

1318
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 1: you know, putting a new voting access. And he's there

1319
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: and so while he's there, he's talking about how like, yeah, man,

1320
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing this for everybody. I'm you know personally, I'm

1321
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: gonna use it to maybe shoot a couple of ducks

1322
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: as I float down this river, or catch a couple

1323
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 1: of brim or whatever it might be. But you know,

1324
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: he has a just by being in himself and what

1325
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: he does in his small little community in Kentucky, Like,

1326
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: he has a huge positive impact. And I think it

1327
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 1: happens a lot. In those kind of places where it's

1328
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: not happening, it's much harder to have that impact. And

1329
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: that voice heard is like in metro Chicago. You know,

1330
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: it's very hard. Um, but and I don't know how

1331
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: to beat that because it's like I'm not really like

1332
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: making you know, monthly trips there to give away venison

1333
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: to people and speak on behalf of hunting, you know.

1334
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I don't. Like it's in the city where

1335
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: I see like a lot of those problems because it's

1336
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: just like they have no contact with you know, what

1337
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,919
Speaker 1: we're talking about, and it's just all out of context.

1338
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: And when it's out of context, it's just hard to

1339
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: make sense of it. Oh yeah, I mean people and

1340
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: these urban centers are so disconnected from anything. I mean,

1341
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: firearms is a great example too. I mean they have

1342
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: no contact again exactly, you said, they have no context

1343
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: for a positive use or reason for having firearms. So

1344
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: of course they have these what I think are misconceptions

1345
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: in many cases, but they have these beliefs or perceptions.

1346
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: And the same thing with hunting when you have no

1347
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: contact with it, when you have no context for it,

1348
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: it's pretty understandable why maybe these people when they see

1349
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: something pop up on social media or whatever, they jump

1350
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: to this like, oh my gosh, it's horrible. Um, and

1351
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: that's a big thing, Like we're gonna be continuing to

1352
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 1: deal with as more and more people move to these places,

1353
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: more and more people spend more time in the computers

1354
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: and less time outside. More and more people's only you know,

1355
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: the idea of what a wild animal is is what

1356
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 1: they see in the Discovery Channel or what they see

1357
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 1: in a Disney movie. Um, I think there's like, yeah,

1358
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: there's very real challenges ahead of us down the road,

1359
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: and I think what you said, you honest maybe is

1360
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: one of the best things we can do, which is

1361
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: just simply like everything, but one of us just needs

1362
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: to know that we are We could be that one interaction,

1363
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: We could be that one person. And if we all

1364
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: think about that more and make sure that anyone that

1365
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: interacts with us, hopefully anyone that interacts with us enough,

1366
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: we'll have a positive you know, vibe or feeling or

1367
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: perspective on what we do as hunters. You know, if

1368
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: there can be what there's twelve million deer hunters out

1369
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: there or something, if we could all be like Kevin Murphy,

1370
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: that probably could make a pretty big impact. But I

1371
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: worry you affect ten people and all of a sudden

1372
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,879
Speaker 1: jumps to a hundred million, and then you're talking about

1373
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, a third of our population. That's mega. I

1374
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: guess first final final thoughts on this whole deal with

1375
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: the media with non hunting perspectives. I mean, I don't know,

1376
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: is there any other action item that you think we

1377
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,680
Speaker 1: should be thinking about, or any final thoughts on this

1378
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: whole deal that you know we should keep in mind,

1379
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: because I think this is something that we should all

1380
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: probably try to keep in the back of our minds

1381
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: throughout hunting season, especially during hunting season, when you know,

1382
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: the opportunity to share what we're doing, or talk about

1383
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: what we're doing, or demonstrate. You know, this is the

1384
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: time that stuff is getting out there. So what would

1385
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: you want people to be thinking about. Yeah, it's funny, man,

1386
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk a little bit about, you know,

1387
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: growing up hunting white tails in the Midwest, and we

1388
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: can do that another time. But I still remember, like

1389
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: when we used to kill deer in Wisconsin and then

1390
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: drive back to Kalamazoo, Michigan. We had to go right

1391
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: through Chicago. A lot of times we drive right through

1392
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: downtown and we'd have three or four or five years

1393
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: strapped to the hood and then we had one of

1394
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: those like little trailer hitch not to the hood. I'm sorry,

1395
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: but to the roof of like a it was like

1396
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: a Chevy Blazer, and we had one of those like

1397
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 1: hitch kind of rack deals that we ran for a while,

1398
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: and you know, we got all kinds of looks. But

1399
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: it's like nobody ever was like going to scratch our

1400
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: you know, car pop our tires for it. But it's

1401
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: like these days, I just don't know if you could

1402
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: do that. You know. It's kind of like back then,

1403
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: even when we were you know, when I was a kid,

1404
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: and I guess I might be a little bit older

1405
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: than you, but like there was a time when there's

1406
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: just so many more hunters, you know, not not when

1407
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: everybody was a hunter, but everybody knew a hunter, you know.

1408
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: And and that's changed a lot to where if you

1409
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, drove through Chicago now with that deer on

1410
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: your you know, the top of your truck, it's just

1411
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 1: like you're gonna be looked at as being disrespectful. But

1412
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean to your point about what we can do now, man,

1413
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: I think that the easiest way, what good I don't

1414
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 1: know if it's the easiest. It actually takes some effort.

1415
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: But like venison diplomacy, as Steve says, it. It's like

1416
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: I do it here all the time in the office

1417
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 1: because we have a lot of people that work here

1418
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: that are are maybe not even associated with meat eater

1419
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: or just like very remotely. But when we come back

1420
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: from a trip, like we just came back with a moose,

1421
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, we've got hundreds of pounds of meat. You know. Uh,

1422
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: none of these people were there to not none of them.

1423
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 1: Some of them were there to help me butcher on Sunday,

1424
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: but like for the most part is meeting three other

1425
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: four other guys. You know, we butchered for six hours.

1426
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: But I make sure that we had like a lot

1427
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: like one pound packages the burger and like one pound

1428
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: packages the roasts and you know, stuff you can cut

1429
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: up for steaks, and so that everybody here in the

1430
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: office is gonna get like their three or four packages.

1431
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: And like everybody is so stoked on that, and they're

1432
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: like there's just no possible way that they're at home

1433
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: eating that thing or walking home with those chunks and

1434
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: meat having like negative feelings about hunting at that point,

1435
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: you know. Um, And just to backtrack a little bit,

1436
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: we're always a friend of mine, Um says. It's a

1437
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: lot we're hunting. The hunting community has to answer to

1438
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: the lowest common denominator a lot of times. And I'm

1439
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: not saying that any of these people that got busted

1440
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: or that got blown up in the media are like

1441
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: the lowest common denominator, but that, you know, there's just

1442
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: like those bad apples that like, that's who gets portrayed

1443
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: as who hunters are when we all know who we are,

1444
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, but that's who gets chosen by everybody else

1445
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: to represent who we are. And so um, I don't

1446
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 1: know how to like exactly counter that except that just

1447
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, speak well, you know, on behalf of all

1448
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: of us when you are out there talking to down hunters,

1449
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: and don't be defensive, because I don't being defensive doesn't

1450
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: get us anywhere. We should use the same advice that

1451
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: we use for you know, getting to do stuff and

1452
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: making peace with our spouses as we do with people

1453
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: that are not on hunters, you know, And just like

1454
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to be exactly right. You

1455
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: don't have to like win the argument. You just want

1456
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: them to walk away going you know what hunt is

1457
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: probably okay, you know, but yeah, I don't know. I

1458
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: think the venice and diplomacy thing is huge, you know.

1459
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: Um and just uh, I think knowing like knowing our animals, uh,

1460
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: knowing the biology of our animals. UM. I was in

1461
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: a camp not long ago that we just happen to

1462
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: be staying at this church camp and there's other folks

1463
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: staying there at the same time as we were. We

1464
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: were there turkey hunting turkey on the adjacent property. We

1465
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: just happened to be staying there, and like these people

1466
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: were like, you know, they're like, okay, they weren't like

1467
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 1: voicing their negative thoughts on hunting, but you can tell

1468
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of tension when like we

1469
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: were there and we're like, yeah, we're here hunting. You know.

1470
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: It wasn't like they would started asking us like all

1471
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: these like you know, interesting questions about what we're gonna

1472
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: be doing and what we're doing. It's like, oh, that's cool.

1473
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: But they had kids there, So like the next day

1474
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: we're coming at eleven am with a dead turkey over

1475
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: our shoulder and the kids come running over and we're

1476
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: looking at the turkey checking it out, and there's like

1477
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: nothing more interesting like than a dead wild turkey when

1478
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: you've never encountered something like that. It's just like the

1479
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: colors are unbelievable. There's like all these different interesting parts

1480
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: and if you, as a hunter can speak to all

1481
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: that off and be like, yeah, this is why this

1482
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: bird is so cool and this is why I love it,

1483
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: and yes, I go and kill it, but this is

1484
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, and just explain yourself. All of a sudden,

1485
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: like it was like the kids were there, and then

1486
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: ten minutes later, like the parents were there, and then

1487
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: like the grandparents are there, and all of a sudden,

1488
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 1: everybody's like, well man, you think you might cook up

1489
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: some of that later, you know, And it's like I

1490
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: feel like it made a difference, you know, like all

1491
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 1: the kids got to take home some feathers, and uh,

1492
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like knowing our animals as

1493
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 1: as more than just you know, the big box, you

1494
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: know with the big antlers that goes along, that goes along,

1495
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: so that I think are in our context. Because again

1496
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: it's like between you and I I know that you

1497
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: know that your hunt is way more than just your trail.

1498
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 1: Camp pis of you know, whatever you've named him, Mr

1499
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: Houdini or whatever. I know that, but like someone else

1500
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: that looks at that from the outside. With out that context,

1501
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: they just see like, well man, all he's into is

1502
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: these pictures, and I think all he's talking about are

1503
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: those antlers, right right, So, um, yeah, I think just

1504
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: giving him the whole story, you know, it goes a

1505
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: long way for sure. I think that's you know, my

1506
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: one big takeaway or big kind of I don't know,

1507
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 1: final thought on all this is just to that point.

1508
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: It's look at every one of those interactions with someone

1509
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to provide that positive context, to provide

1510
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: that positive example. And if you can do that so

1511
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: many times, that can make a big difference. And um,

1512
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: all those things you mentioned, sharing venison, knowing about what

1513
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: you're what you're pursuing, and being able to communicate that

1514
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: that stuff all helps so much. So I'm definitely you know,

1515
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to keep this stuff in mind when

1516
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: it comes to in person interactions or social media posts

1517
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. And I definitely think

1518
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: that hopefully if we all everyone listening and all of

1519
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: us can do that this season and you know, in

1520
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 1: the future, that that might make a little bit of difference,

1521
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of positive difference. So yeah, both of

1522
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: us are doing it right, and maybe aren't. You know,

1523
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: maybe most of us just aren't actually putting our voice

1524
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: out there. You know. It's it's just like, don't let

1525
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: the bad apple be your voice, or don't let the

1526
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 1: lowest common denominator be your voice. Yeah for sure. So

1527
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 1: speaking of of sharing experiences of my last question for you,

1528
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: that's the last thing I'm curious about. How's the how

1529
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: have the trips been going so far this season? How's

1530
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: the hunting season? Looking for the meteor crew? No, they didn't,

1531
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: great man. We had a super fun archery deer hunt

1532
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: in Nevada to kick the season off. Um, let me

1533
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: see what do we do next. I was actually out

1534
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: for a Prince of Wales Island black Tell deer hunt

1535
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: because I had moniscus surgery, which I gotta say, Man,

1536
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: if anybody out there is like thinking about doing it

1537
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: and you've got like some pain or some discomfort and

1538
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: they're kind of saying, yeah, go ahead and do it,

1539
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 1: and then we're about the art of ritis later, I

1540
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: highly recommended because I literally wasn't even off my leg

1541
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: for a day and and a week later I went

1542
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: on a moose hunt for ten days pack moose Hike

1543
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 1: Ground toast six hiked up and down mountains and it's like,

1544
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm just so happy I got that done. Uh, yeah,

1545
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: it's amazing. It was amazing what you know, what the

1546
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: medical technology does these days. But yeah, we just did

1547
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: a moose hunt in the Alaska Range. Um. My dad

1548
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 1: was on the show and uh he was lucky enough

1549
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:36,640
Speaker 1: to uh call in a nice bowl on the second day. Um,

1550
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: it almost happened too fast. I mean we've all been

1551
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,680
Speaker 1: around enough to know that you take an easy one

1552
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: when it comes. But sometimes for production purposes, it's just

1553
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 1: like you just need a little more struggle before you

1554
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,759
Speaker 1: get the the resolve, you know, and reached the prize.

1555
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: Like day two in the morning, you're like, oh, what

1556
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 1: do we get what we needed to, you know, to

1557
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: make a show out of this? So um but no,

1558
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: that was great. Um, and we had, you know, just

1559
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: great experiences. You know. Alaska has always has never lets

1560
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: you down. Man. It's uh just such a cool, beautiful place.

1561
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: And so it's yet man has been there a lot,

1562
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: but it's still just so much less than down here

1563
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: in the lower forty. Everybody's gotta go check it out. Um,

1564
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: let me see what's coming up. We got We're going

1565
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: to hunt some grouse and Wyoming next week, and we're

1566
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: we've got a muileor hunt in Colorado, which I'm real

1567
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: excited about. Um, and then Elkin, Montana, and uh, that

1568
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of about rounds us out, So

1569
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: let's go go go definitely between here in December sounds

1570
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: like some fun trips, though, I gotta tell you, I'm

1571
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: very jealous of how much time you guys get spend Alaska.

1572
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: Every time I see you guys or anyone up there,

1573
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: I just keep saying, I gotta get there, I gotta

1574
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: get there. And I finally decided, like this past month,

1575
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna stop saying someday and I'm just

1576
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 1: gonna go. So next summer I'm trying to put together

1577
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to get to do an Alaska hunting trip. Um.

1578
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how to pull it off. Nobody

1579
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: that I know has the time or the ability to

1580
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: go do it yet. So I'm working on figuring that out.

1581
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: But it just seems like something that you have to experience,

1582
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm ready to get out there. So well,

1583
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 1: I guess well I have you be honest, I'm gonna

1584
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: be selfish here. Given your experience up there, what would

1585
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 1: you recommend for the first d I y Alaskan trip,

1586
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: um Man, it's tough on um. You know the moose thing.

1587
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: I've been on a couple of moose hunts right now,

1588
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 1: and it's it's a great haunt. It's interesting that animals

1589
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: are way cool, but it's it's definitely like a very

1590
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: it's a pretty sedentary I mean, I know there's hunters

1591
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: a dude chase their moose and and kill him that way,

1592
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: but most people recommend sitting calling is it's a pretty

1593
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: sedentary hunt. Even if you flow the river, you know

1594
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna end up probably shooting moose right on

1595
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: the bank or close to it. Um. And So I

1596
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: don't know if that is on your bucket list, you

1597
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: can do it. But like to me, Um, I've been

1598
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 1: on a few cariboo boo haunts. This is the first.

1599
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 1: I got to kill cariboo last week, which is my

1600
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: first one, which is way cool. But to go and see,

1601
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: like go to a place where there is the big

1602
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: numbers of caribou, where you actually get to see like

1603
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: just the massive migrations. Um, it's a special thing, because

1604
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: you don't really get that down here in the lower

1605
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: forty eight and it's in like no matter how many

1606
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 1: times you see it on Discovery Channel, when you see it,

1607
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: you know firsthand, and you get to watch a couple

1608
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: of hundred or maybe a thousand animals you know, go

1609
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: by you in one day, it's just magical. You know.

1610
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: That was actually we're seeing I were talking about and

1611
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: I was saying, you know what this that would be

1612
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 1: one thing that you could go and see and even

1613
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: if you didn't pull the trigger or fire and arrow,

1614
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: just to see that massive animals moving across the landscape.

1615
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: A lot of those animals they have never ever seen

1616
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: a human in their lives, you know, go in front

1617
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: of you. Um, it's pretty special. And to me, I

1618
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: feel like the carib just kind of really a symbol

1619
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: of that the North Country you know, like you really

1620
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: you don't you know, you got moves down here. We've

1621
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: got grizzly bears down here in the lower forty eight, um,

1622
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,879
Speaker 1: black bears, We have deer like you. We don't have caribou.

1623
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: You know. That's like it's definitely a North Country animal. UM.

1624
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: And I think that like if you get to the

1625
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: right place. You are almost guaranteed to like to get

1626
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: into them to probably fill your tag um. There's usually

1627
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: lots of opportunities and most I think, you know, get

1628
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: a lot of references and making sure you've got the

1629
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 1: right out there that's gonna work hard to get you

1630
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: or the right transporter. If you're gonna go do d

1631
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: I Y that they're gonna work hard to get you

1632
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: into the right place. If they don't get you in

1633
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: the right place on the first drop, you know, they'll

1634
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: maybe movie of mid hunt to get you out ahead

1635
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: of them, you know. The movement of the of the caribou.

1636
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of the pilots we've talked to you,

1637
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: they're just like they keep telling guys. It's like, you

1638
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 1: know what, just tell yourself, don't shoot on the first day.

1639
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Watch the animals. Look at what caribou. Figure out what

1640
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 1: cariboo look like. Because to all of us that you know,

1641
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: especially once they grew up in the Midwest, just like

1642
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: looking at white tails all the time, it doesn't matter

1643
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: if you look at a yearling caribou, you're like, oh

1644
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: my god, look at all those antlers. I'm shooting. That's

1645
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 1: what you see. One that's four or five years old. Um,

1646
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: And they're just saying how often it happens where guys

1647
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: kill like the second day they're there because they can't

1648
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: shoot the day they land, so the next day, you know,

1649
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: they shoot like the first kind of big one they see.

1650
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: And then also they gotta get flown out because their

1651
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: meats going out, and you're back at them. You're back

1652
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 1: on the tarmac and you're like, whoa hold on? That

1653
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 1: was my whole Alaska trip. Like I just went up

1654
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: there and it's over in like seventy two hours. And

1655
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: so with a caribou hunt, you on my just had

1656
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: to force yourself just to go up there and take

1657
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: it slow, you know, look and just watch them enjoy

1658
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: it um and try to you know, not pull the

1659
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: trigger maybe until the third or even fourth day if

1660
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: you can manage. Um. But anyways, yeah, that would that

1661
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: would be my I think first pick. If I had

1662
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: to just go back in time and say, all right,

1663
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go do one Alaskan animal, I probably

1664
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,480
Speaker 1: do cariboo, and more just for the overall total experience

1665
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: than just like just because it's a cool you know

1666
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: animal itself. But you just you to go get a cariboo,

1667
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 1: You're just you're gonna get flown into some unbelievable country,

1668
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: you know, And they do have hunts that you can

1669
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: do when you don't fly. You know, you could go

1670
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: a TV or even hike in. I know, if you

1671
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: draw some of the permits on the Key nappendance, those

1672
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: places you can just hike in when you gotta draw

1673
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: that permit. But um, I don't know. I think I

1674
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: would just wait an extra year and save the money

1675
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: to get flown in to just you know, get away

1676
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: from you know what pressure there might be off the

1677
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: road system in Alaska. Man, that's good advice. I'm getting

1678
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: getting excited just talking about it. Cariboo. Cariboo is definitely

1679
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 1: one of those species that is very high on my

1680
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: list of just a dream animal to get to know

1681
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 1: and to see out there. And it sounds like you said,

1682
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: like it's a reasonable like you can go into that

1683
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: type of hunt doing it yourself with a reasonable expectation

1684
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Speaker 1: being able to pull it off. And you know, like

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01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: I feel like with a moose hunt, when you're deep

1686
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: in there and with your a friend or you know,

1687
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: that seems pretty intimidating when you get that huge of

1688
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 1: an animal that deep in the back country and figuring

1689
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: all that out. But the cariboo seems like if you're

1690
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: get in the right place, it seems like it's a

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01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 1: relatively opportunity rich type experience and it's not quite as

1692
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: daunting as as dealing with that ginormous moose carcass on

1693
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 1: the ground. You can kind of kind of approach a

1694
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 1: little bit easier. So, man, maybe one year from now

1695
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about my caribou hunt, I hope so,

1696
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: and hopefully a lot of fly fishing too, So I'm

1697
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: excited about it. So, yes, we gotta let you go.

1698
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: We've been talking area off here. But before we do,

1699
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: what where should people go online to see what you've

1700
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 1: got going on with meat Eater and your hunt to

1701
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: Eat shirts? Where can we get those? Meat Eater is

1702
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 1: the meat Eater? Um? If you don't have a Sportsman channel.

1703
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: We aired eight on Thursdays, and right now we're in

1704
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: a fresh season and so this Thursday, we've got a

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01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 1: Montana Bear episode coming up. It would be the twenty second,

1706
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: which would probably be this podcast by air later than that,

1707
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: I guess. But um, anyways, Thursday nights at eight, UM,

1708
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: maybe it's eight thirty Eastern. But if you don't have

1709
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: Sportsman Channel, you can go to um meat Eater dot

1710
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: vh X dot tv and immediately is the episode airs.

1711
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: You can buy all episodes for and uh, you know,

1712
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: some people look at it as like a lot of money,

1713
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: but I figured for twenty two minutes of good TV

1714
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: that three bucks as well worth it. You don't you

1715
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: have it forever, So that's a way to get around,

1716
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to you know, have uh,

1717
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, pay for the whole cable package and then

1718
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 1: Hunt to eat if you want to go out our

1719
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 1: T shirts And my brother and I got going it's

1720
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: a hunt to eat dot com and that's UM t

1721
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: O not the numeral two. So h U N T

1722
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: t O e A T dot com. And uh, I

1723
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: think we've got roughly twenty states are so represented, and

1724
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 1: we have some state specific shirts um that you know,

1725
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: if you want to you know, rep your home boundaries

1726
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: you can. And then we've got another half dozen shirts

1727
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: that are non states specific that uh, you know, cover

1728
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: a variety of animals and just you know, some different designs,

1729
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,759
Speaker 1: some stuff that uh, like I said, you can't find

1730
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:05,759
Speaker 1: it that at the the big retailers. So, um yeah,

1731
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,719
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's everything awesome. Well, I'm loving my Montana

1732
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: hunting shirt. It's been on been on a good number

1733
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: of trips to the mountains already, so I definitely can

1734
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: it can endorse what you guys are doing. Good stuff,

1735
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: and you've got kind of like a Kickstarter type deal

1736
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: going to write for getting people news. Actually gonna run

1737
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 1: um again, I don't know what when you're playing on

1738
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: air in this but through the end of September, we're

1739
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,040
Speaker 1: running basically like our own version of Kickstarter. We're calling

1740
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: it hunt Starter. And because we get just a lot

1741
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: of requests for people wanting, you know, in Oklahoma shut

1742
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 1: in a Tennessee shirt, and um, it's just hard. It

1743
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 1: just takes a lot of capital, you know to basically

1744
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,440
Speaker 1: come out, you know and make another thirty s thirty designs,

1745
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: so we cover every state in the nation. Um, so

1746
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: we decided to do this hunt Starter campaign. We're basically

1747
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: we saw most of our shirts were twenty five bucks,

1748
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,440
Speaker 1: but for the hunts our campaign, you can go online

1749
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: and uh to our website and basically pre order your

1750
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: state shirt for fifteen bucks and if we reach a

1751
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: hundred pre orders for let's just say Oklahoma, then at

1752
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: the end of the month, we're gonna basically make an

1753
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: Oklahoma shirt and everybody gets a shirt for fifteen bucks

1754
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: versus the normal. If if the anybody that orders to

1755
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: say a state that doesn't make it to a hundred

1756
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 1: orders by that time, um, we're basically just gonna send

1757
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: them a new we're working on, like a new Hunt

1758
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: to Eat logo T shirt. It's gonna be way cool

1759
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 1: and you're kind of gonna get that as a Constellation Pride.

1760
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: So either way, you end up getting a Hunt to

1761
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Eat T shirt for fifteen bucks instead of and hopefully

1762
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: we've got a couple of states that are getting there.

1763
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:51,760
Speaker 1: We're hoping that, you know, with a with a little

1764
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: extra push here at the end of the month, we'll

1765
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: get a couple of states to actually make it to

1766
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: a hundred and we'll do uh, we'll do a few

1767
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 1: new state designs. So yeah, that's the Hunt to Eat

1768
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 1: hunt Starter campaign. Sweet. Well, we'll have this episode out

1769
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:07,639
Speaker 1: before the end of September, so people have time to

1770
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 1: to get on that. Very cool, awesome, be honest, well, man,

1771
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,759
Speaker 1: I appreciate taking time to do this and chat definitely

1772
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: through some of these. You know, sometimes not so much

1773
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: fun topics to talk about, especially during hunting season. I'd

1774
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: rather talk about animals and adventures and everything, but one

1775
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,640
Speaker 1: of those things is probably good to to have on

1776
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: the mind and chat through. So thanks for sharing your

1777
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: thoughts and perspectives on all of us. Yeah, man, no problem. Um,

1778
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't raffle too many feathers. And if

1779
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: I know, you guys just need to suck it up

1780
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: and you know, think about it a little bit. But yeah,

1781
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: I do appreciate you having me on, and uh it's

1782
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm always honored when I get to be uh good

1783
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 1: to be a guest on a podcast. Um, I get

1784
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 1: us talk a little bit more than normally do on

1785
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: on our podcast. But I'll leave you with one little

1786
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 1: thing because I know you've been talking about possibly making

1787
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 1: a move out west. Last night, I got woken up

1788
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. I couldn't really tell

1789
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 1: what it was it was keeping me awake, but finally

1790
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: I just like got out of bed. I was like,

1791
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 1: all right, I must have to go p or something,

1792
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: you know. So I got out of bed and walked

1793
01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: towards the window that was cracked open, and all of

1794
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: a sudden, I here. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me,

1795
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: you know. So there's a bowl outside raising ruckets. I

1796
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: go out onto my deck to go take a leak

1797
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: onto the moonlight ensure enough, there's two bowls in about

1798
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 1: twenty cows, like I don't know, probably three hundred yards

1799
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: four hundred yards off my off my deck, just you know,

1800
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 1: going balls to the wall. And I was like, yep,

1801
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: it's all about right here. I gotta say I hate

1802
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: you just a little bit right now. You're honest that

1803
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: you come and stay anytime, careful what you offer because

1804
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 1: I might be out there before you know it. Well,

1805
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: thank you, honest and good luft the rest of the season. Yeah, man,

1806
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,600
Speaker 1: we'll we'll talk to him are And there you go.

1807
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 1: Another episode in the books. And I hope you enjoyed

1808
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 1: this one. And then I gave you a little food

1809
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: for thought as we enter the two thousand six hunting season.

1810
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 1: That said, before we wrap this one up, we need

1811
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 1: to thank our partners who helped make this podcast possible.

1812
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: Big thank you too. Sick of gear, Redneck Blinds Hunter,

1813
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: a maps, Yetie Cooler's Ozonics Carbon Express Mavien Optics, and

1814
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. Thank you so

1815
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 1: much for supporting those companies who support us. It really

1816
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: does make all the difference in the world. And I

1817
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: actually just got an email from one of these companies

1818
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: saying that they got emails from some of you guys

1819
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: saying how much you appreciate that, how much you appreciate

1820
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 1: them helping make the White Hurt podcast possible. And man,

1821
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 1: that is the coolest thing. I can't tell you how

1822
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 1: much I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Now, with

1823
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 1: all that said, speaking of thanks, thank you all for

1824
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 1: tuning in today. Best of luck in the woods, and

1825
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: until next time, stay white eared to hunt.