WEBVTT - Do or Die Time 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.640 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.639 Meet your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the home Bunker. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:23.520 The folks, it is official. Joe Biden has announced his 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:29.040 re election campaign in a video that was reminiscent of 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.199 the video that he launched four years ago when he 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.440 talked about the soul of a nation. And you know, 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.479 I know where the polls are, and you all know 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:41.840 if you listen to the show regularly, how I feel 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.440 about polls. They are akin to reading the tea leaves. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:48.320 They are not scientific. And I know where the big 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.599 pushback against Joe Biden is. It isn't in his policy measures, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.520 it isn't in his tone. It's about his age. And yes, 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.960 Joe Biden is old as fuck. Joe Biden is going 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.360 to be the oldest person to run for reelection, and 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:07.240 if elected, he will be the oldest president that we have. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:14.200 I do not give a fuck, and let me tell 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.759 you why. Four years ago I said on this very 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.720 podcast that I could care less if Joe Biden was 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.839 running for the presidency. He wasn't my first, second, third, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:32.120 or fifth choice to become president of the United States, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:37.360 and to face off against Donald Trump, However, over the 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:43.600 course of his first term in office, being handed the 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:49.400 shit sandwich that Donald Trump and his Sashist white supremacy 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:54.960 administration left behind. I want you to take the time 0:01:55.000 --> 0:02:00.160 machine with me back to his election. I want you 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.680 to take the time machine back to the twenty twenty election, 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:07.120 which you know, Republicans haven't been able to let die. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.600 So it feels like we relived the twenty twenty election 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.640 every fucking day. But for those of us on Earth one, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:18.000 I want you to remember where we were in twenty twenty, 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:25.000 that there were thousands of people dying every single day 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:30.000 because of COVID, That we had a vaccine, but we 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:35.200 did not have vaccine distribution. We had never this country 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:41.280 had never in its history had to administer the amount 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:46.120 of vaccines at the rate at which the Biden administration 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:51.639 was able to do by June. By the summer, if 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:58.760 you remember of twenty twenty one, when they took over, right, 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:04.880 we were steal at the very heights of COVID. Millions 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:09.240 of Americans had lost their job. The Biden administration was 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:17.080 able to give stimulus checks checks to people who needed them. 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.919 Not only did the Biden administration do that, they were 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:30.880 able with a really aggressive cult, able to pass through 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.880 the appointment of Katanji Brown Jackson as the Supreme Court justice, 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.800 the first black woman to serve on the Supreme Court. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:46.280 They were able to lower prescription drugs, They were able 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:53.960 to pass and infrastructure bill, and all while signaling that 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.040 some semblance of normalcy was going to be returning to 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.760 our body politic. Now, I think that over the course 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:07.080 of Joe Biden's first term, what he has realized, which 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:11.560 is what all of us have known, is that the 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:17.960 Senate and the government body that he once presided over 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.840 as Vice President, the people that he had worked with 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.760 for decades in the Senate, were no longer the same 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:29.720 Republican party. That was signaled in the speech that he 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:37.840 gave in Pennsylvania where he referred to Maga extremism and 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:42.080 said that this was what we were seeing was essentially 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:48.880 fascism light right, and I use quotation marks. Over the 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.360 course of this administration, I don't know how many times 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.160 Joe Biden has had to go and speak with and 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.240 talk to grieving families in the midst of mass shootings. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.039 He's called for a ban on assault rifles. He's done 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:11.200 what he can do through executive orders to not only 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.800 protect American children and people from being shot in their 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.160 places of worship, in schools and movie theaters, in grocery stores, 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:22.960 so on and so forth, he has also gone as 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:26.240 far as he can go in order to protect LGBTQ 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:31.960 Americans right by signing in a bill to protect marriages 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.960 both of same sex people and of interracial marriages. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:36.400 Right. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.520 That we're having to do that in twenty twenty two 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:46.120 was absolutely ridiculous, But here's where we are. Joe Biden 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.839 has been able to get more judges write federal judges 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:56.120 appointed than anyone else in their first term, including Donald Trump. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.520 Joe Biden is doing the work right. He may not 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.880 be standing up in front of a podium bringing America's 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.360 attention to the Republican Party their rise in fascism and 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.159 white supremacy, but he is absolutely doing the work to 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.279 ensure that, at a time when fascism is on the 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.280 rise and authoritarianism is on the rise in this country, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.160 that he is trying to keep the American public as 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.480 safe as he possibly can and as rooted in our 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:31.760 democratic values as he possibly can. So four years later, 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.960 when it is now time for reelection, bid and people 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.120 want to tell me, well, we need somebody else, and 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.359 I'm going to tell you we don't got nobody else, 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.240 because we do not have the fucking time or the 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.600 energy for infighting within the Democratic Party when we are 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:56.800 facing an existential political fucking crisis. So for folks that 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.839 want to tell me, oh, well, what about Warren, what 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.479 about this person, what about that person, talk to me 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:06.520 about that in twenty twenty eight, if this country makes 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:11.440 it to twenty twenty eight, Because I want people to 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.320 get it through your heads that he may not be perfect, 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.760 but he is what the fuck we have. And he 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.840 has been fighting for this country and fighting for our 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:26.600 democracy up against people who he once called his friends. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.240 Every single day since he got into office. He has 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.400 made good on the promises that he made on the 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.920 campaign trail. And it has been Republicans and the Trump 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:43.120 appointees that are pushing back against the student relief that 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.960 he wants to offer that has gone all the way 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.640 up to the Supreme Court. Right, Joe Biden is making 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.120 good on the promises to the people that put him 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.600 in office, and it is the Republican Party that is 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.840 standing in the way of progress. And not only are 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.320 they standing in the way of progress, folks. But they 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.240 are trying to pull us all the way back to 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:10.679 the fucking eighteen hundreds. So if you want this country 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.520 to look like the state of Florida, if you want 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.240 this entire nation to look like the state of Texas, 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:22.800 if you want this country to look like the body 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.040 that is in Tennessee that had the audacity to expel 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:32.600 to black voted elected members of their body for daring 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:37.760 to stand with the people, then go ahead and keep 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.320 complaining about who you would like to run instead, instead 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.600 of putting in the energy, the fucking work, and the 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:48.239 fucking money in order to make sure that our democracy 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.640 stands strong for another four years. Because that's what we're 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:57.560 working with, folks. We are working with incremental fucking change. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:02.600 Right now, the Republicans get into office, they get the 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.640 executive branch, and I tell you that will be the 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:10.440 last fucking presidential election we have in this country. They 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:17.240 will gut every single fucking precedent, every single fucking law. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:22.400 They will operationalize the military against the people of this country. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.559 And if you do not believe me, then I tell 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.920 you to go pull up Donald Trump's speech from Waco, Texas. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:34.360 His first presidential speech where he talks about operationalizing the military, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:40.680 where he talks about gutting those quote unquote unpatriotic people 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:47.560 in our governmental agencies. If you were afraid of McCarthyism, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.520 what you learned about in the nineteen fifties, this is 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:58.400 McCarthyism on steroids. Donald Trump said that I am your 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:03.040 retribution for those that have done you wrong. He is 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.920 going to come back and if he is allowed inside 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.559 of that Oval office again, he will destroy He will 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:16.800 finish the fucking job and destroy this country. He will 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:20.520 imprison his political enemies. People like me will no longer 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.360 have a microphone or a voice, or safety for that matter. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.720 So when we say that every election is consequential, I 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.480 want you to understand that this is due or fucking 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:37.960 die time. So we do not have time right to 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:42.440 waste with our flights of fancy. Our president has announced 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.280 that he is running for reelection, and I am ten 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:51.760 fucking toes down for Joe Biden and his administration, because 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:57.080 what I'm not about is a new apartheid in America. 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:02.080 What I'm not about is revisiting the Holocaust. What I'm 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:09.920 not about is a nation of political prisoners. So join 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:15.720 me right and those that care about democracy in doing 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.200 whatever the fuck it is that you can with the 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.000 power that you have. It is phone calls, it is funbraisy, 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.440 it is get out the vote drives, It is doing 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.160 every single thing that we can because it's going to 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.280 take every single last one of us in order to 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:36.320 fight back against what the Republican Party is dishing out. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:42.000 Coming up next, friends, my conversation with Andrea Miller, the 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.400 president of NIRH, and we are going to be talking 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:50.520 about the fight right against this abortion ban and the 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:58.199 banning of mifipristone. Folks, I'm very happy to welcome back 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:03.839 to WOKF Daily Andrea Miller, who is the president of NIRIH, 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:09.120 the National Institute for Reproductive Health. Andrea, we never seem 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:13.360 to talk under good circumstances these days to talk about 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:17.000 any of the wins that the movement is happening. So 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:22.040 I want to get your reactions to the latest stay 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:28.360 of the decision to ban myth of pristone in Layman's terms, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.920 the abortion pill, and the fact that the Supreme Court 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.280 has kicked the can down the road. By the time 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.520 of this airing, we will know what that decision is, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:43.720 but can you talk to us about this decision and 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.600 what effects it will have on reproductive health. 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.080 Well, look, first of all, thank you, Daniel. It's really 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.360 great to be back, and there is a lot happening. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.840 As you noted, we are in a really unprecedented moment 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.840 as it pertains to access to abortion care in this country, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:08.160 and particularly this new cynical lawsuit that is an attempt 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.520 to create a national ban on the most common method 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:18.160 of abortion care, disregarding medical standards, disregarding scientific evidence, disregarding 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.920 twenty plus years of use in the United States, and 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:28.079 beyond the case that you are referencing. Is it's truly 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:32.720 mind blowing in how unprecedented it really is. What it 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:37.160 is doing is it's attempting to give to a single 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.240 federal judge, in this instance, the Federal District Court judge 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:45.120 in Amarillo, Texas, has taken upon himself, at the urging 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:50.320 of several very extreme anti abortion groups, to say that 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:55.560 the FDA approval of mifipristone, which is one of the 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.080 two drugs that the FDA that is part of the 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.760 most common method of medication abortion in this country, saying 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.240 I'm gonna say it's that approval is done just you know, 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.200 full stop, yep, I'm going to reverse that approval with 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:16.120 an incredibly cynical, incredibly I mean, his ruling was like 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.520 all of the worst anti abortion misinformation, all of the 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.840 extremist tropes, you name it, it was in there. I mean, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.600 this was basically an anti abortion screen beginning to end. 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.720 And it's truly unprecedented, both because it would be so 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:38.400 harmful in terms of access to this method of medication abortion, 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.160 because it would essentially say, regardless of what your state 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.440 law is, regardless of whether you're in one of the 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.040 nearly twenty states that have safeguarded access to abortion care, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:55.000 in your state law, medication abortion, this mifipristone would be 0:14:55.120 --> 0:15:00.320 considered not possible, would effectively be banned. If this ruling 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.840 work to take effect in every state in the country, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:07.120 and not only that, it would call into question pretty 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.320 much everything the FDA has done right right right, So 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:15.120 it would it would eliminate mifipristone presumably for everyone in 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.640 the country. It would eliminated for abortion, it would also 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.880 eliminated for other use in like miscarriage management as well 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.280 as potentially Cushing syndrome and other things that it's utilized for. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:32.040 And it would really turn on its head. Who makes 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.400 decisions in this country about the safety and efficacy of 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.200 the drugs that are on the market. The FDA, it's 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.560 that that's their job, and this would be saying, we're 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.280 going to take that out of the hands of the 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:48.960 FDA and allow courts to unilaterally because of political motivated 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.520 you know, through political motivations and the desire to eliminate 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.240 access to abortion, We're going to suddenly have everything the 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:58.960 FDA does called into question. 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.680 And the thing that I have been seeing too is 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:07.680 that there is a group of anti abortion doctors who 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:13.400 have also come together to write a letter requesting that 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.480 the Supreme Court ban this drug based on what they 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:24.680 have said are perceived future risks that mipipristone causes. This 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:26.560 is a drug that has been on the market for 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:32.520 over twenty years, that's right. So the standing here is 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.160 just politically motivated. What do you believe? I mean, Look, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.200 we have a Supreme Court that is super stacked right 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:46.520 with right wing judges who lied during their judiciary hearings 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.040 Senate Judiciary hearings and said that precedent was precedent. 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.880 Absolutely, and some of them even said that Roe versus 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.760 Wade was considered super precedent, and then they didn't think 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.480 twice about overturning it at the first chance they got 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:01.200 so at a. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:06.560 Time when we again Republicans began with the lie that 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.520 states should be able to make the decision. Right, So 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.280 that's again how we all started. States were going to 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.520 make the decision. Once Dobbs was overturned, then all of 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.520 these states decided they had their trigger laws in place. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.240 But now this judge in Texas has the ability not 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.760 to rule for Texas, but to rule for the nation. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:29.800 Well, that's certainly what he thinks. And the hope is that, 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.720 I mean, look, you just named it. This Supreme Court 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:36.920 is not a court I put a lot of faith 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.920 in in terms of following the law safeguarding the health 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.600 and well being of millions of people in this country. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.200 It's hard to imagine appealing to better angels there, given 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.480 that we have not seen them prevail before. But this 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.840 is so outside the bounds, it is so egregious that 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.080 the hope would be that they would see maybe be 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.680 able to see past their animus against those who need 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.040 abortion care and could see the harm that this would 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.040 do to the nation. Writ large by allowing a single 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.240 judge to determine what the FDA can and can't do. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.320 I think your point, though, I just think I want 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.560 to underscore something you said, which is, you know they 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.960 are chock full of the big lies, right, They have 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.679 like a whole panoply of big lies. This lawsuit is 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.160 predicated on a whole host of big lies. Claims about 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.119 harm that mefipristone has already caused that are so overblown 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.119 and off the charts, a whole bunch of anti abortion 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.360 rhetoric that's just rife there. And your point about they said, oh, 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.200 we want to get rid of Roe versus wait, because 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:41.880 we want this to go back to the states. Now, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.520 let's take a moment and say guess what. Guess what 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.840 happened there? Yes, there are a bunch of states that 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.120 had trigger laws, and we've got fourteen states right now 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.119 that are effectively banned abortion. Well, that means that there 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.480 are thirty six states that haven't yet. And by the way, 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:01.360 since the decision came down or seeing more and more 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:06.080 states also pass protective laws. Colorado just did it last week, 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.200 Michigan did it in the elections, and we saw conservative 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.560 states where you send it back to the people, and 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:17.480 the people are like, uh uh, we don't want this. Kansas, Kentucky, Montana, right, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.720 And so I think again, it's so important to remember 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.720 and you noted this at the beginning. The good news 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:29.840 here is that they are coming for they're not satisfied 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.439 with overturning Row, in part because their ultimate goal is 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.320 to ban all abortions full stop. And their problem is 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.919 that is so I mean to say it's unpopular is 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:48.240 an understatement by magnitudes and the response by the vast 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.560 vasque majority in this country. There's more support for access 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.080 to abortion care than ever before in this nation's history. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:58.199 There's more activity to try to address the harm that 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:01.600 these bans are causing then there's ever been before, even 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.960 though we've had many, many restrictions over decades, even since 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.320 real that have caused harm. And you are seeing this 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:14.880 become a really powerful political moment and a political issue 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:20.520 that is salient and motivating predominantly among those who believe 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:25.360 in reproductive freedom and bodily autonomy. And so they're having 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.080 to come at this trying to take advantage of this 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.560 twist in where you can file a case in I'm maillo, 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.320 and you know you get this judge, and this guy 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.040 was put there for this purpose. His history is he 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.240 used to work for these anti abortion legal groups that 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.800 are exactly the ones who brought this case. Right, So 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:47.400 they have to go to those extremes because they keep 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:51.640 getting blocked at every turn. Otherwise they have to use 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:56.080 those parts of our government that they have taken over 0:20:56.800 --> 0:21:00.520 in undemocratic ways, same as the states that have banned 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.600 abortion and doing all these other things. It's about gerrymandering, 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.120 it's about voter suppression, and they are trying to leverage 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.680 what little bit of power they can hold onto because 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.960 when this goes to people, and when it goes to 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.320 governments that actually represent the people, they lose. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.679 At the end of the day, this is no longer 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:23.200 a states rights issue. Right. What has become really clear 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:28.080 with the red states that have damn near banded abortion. 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.840 You just had Florida past this six week that's right 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.520 abortion ban and Ron Descent has signed it. You have 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:42.080 them creating policies that are about criminalizing absolutely women and 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.359 people with uteruses. So can you speak to that that 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.639 it isn't okay I live in Texas, Texas says I 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.640 can't have an abortion now Texas is saying I can't 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.720 travel now, Tesics is saying that if I do travel 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:57.520 that then I need to come back and say that 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:02.520 I didn't travel for these So they are using these 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.320 states as a petri dish for fascism. But can you 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:10.640 talk about how this fight has grown from no, you 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.720 have states rights and we don't want abortion, to now 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:17.720 I can control your movement and I can criminalize you thereafter. 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.920 Well, I think the bottom line, danielis this has always 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:24.760 been about control. It is from day one, this has 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:28.560 been about who gets to make the decision about your 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:32.240 life and your future. Is it you, the person who 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.159 might be able to become pregnant, and from whom this 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:37.840 is going to, you know, affect your health, your well being, 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.560 your family, your future, the trajectory of your life. Or 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:48.560 is it going to be a small, unrepresentative extremist viewpoint 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.920 on who you are supposed to quote unquote supposed to 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.280 be and how you are supposed to operate. And so, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:58.520 of course, if they can't, if banning abortion in a 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:04.520 given state does and meet that objective doesn't create absolute control, 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.160 they're looking for what else do we need to do 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:11.200 to create absolute control? Right? And so like you said, 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.760 it's about trying to It's all about control and punishment, 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.840 punishment of those who do not follow the you know, 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.359 toe the line. And that's why they and don't fit 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.320 within a certain mold and don't live their lives the 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.280 way a certain extremist group believe they should be, which 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.639 is why it's the same people who are trying to 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.359 prevent especially black and brown folks from voting. It's the 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.080 same people who are you know, who're banning abortion, are 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:40.199 the same people who are attacking gender affirming care and 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.600 trans kits. Right, it's all about control. So states' rights 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:47.119 was a kind of a red herring right. It was 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.560 like something they can say because what it did is 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.879 it took it out of anything that was really about 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.560 emotion and it put it in this like legal framework. 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:58.560 The like people like, you know, does the states have 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.360 the rights or does a federal government have the rights? Right? 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.119 That's not really what people get like all up in 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:08.199 arms about right or not in arms hopefully, But you know, 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:10.480 we can't we can't even say that. 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.359 And I know, I mean they do so right, it's true, 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.000 so you know, and again the same speaking that you know, 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:21.159 it's the same people who are preventing gun safety measures 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:22.080 that are so essential. 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:26.639 Right, It's because all of this is about control, punishment, 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:30.600 and fear, and and it's cutting across all of these issues, 0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:34.000 and they're trying to create more fear among those who 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:36.720 need abortion care and those who support them in getting 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.359 that care, and those who provide that care. You know, 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:43.000 there has been terrorism in this country aimed at those 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.399 who provide abortion care since the beginning, and that continues, 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.960 and now they're you know, they're expanding their reach into 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:55.399 trying to terrorize and punish and create fear among those 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:58.240 who need abortions and who are supporting those who need, 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:02.080 whether they need to travel, whether they self managing. You 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:05.560 know that they're trying to create a fear because fear 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:07.000 allows for control. 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.800 You know. Nirih is about reproductive health. And a story 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.639 that again has caught my eye, you know, and you 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:18.919 touched upon it is the recent decision in Kentucky to 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:24.720 disallow sex education and the mention, the very mention of 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:27.600 the word puberty. Right, And so I want you to 0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.520 be able to speak to again these attacks that we're 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:33.960 seeing in K through twelve schools, which we know are 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:41.560 largely directed at LGBTQ population, but specifically trans kids. But overall, 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:45.080 how it is going to how the denial of sex 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:50.320 education right is going to harm everyone absolutely. 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.600 I mean, the reality is that you know, comprehensive age 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:58.040 appropriate sexuality education and health education is something that's essential 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.320 for anyone to keep themselves safe and healthy, and it 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:03.760 is important for you at the age you're getting it, 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.359 and frankly, it sets you up for the future, right. 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:09.480 And the fact is that they're attacking that again because 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:14.239 they want to create fear and shame around sex and 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:18.960 sexuality and abortion is obviously related to that right, as 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:23.560 is gender affirming care, as is the decision to determine 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:27.040 your own gender identity right. All of this is a 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:31.639 part of the same effort to deny the information, the 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:35.920 healthcare services, the support services, and to turn this into 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:41.480 a crime, as opposed to saying our responsibility in the 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:45.600 society should be to make sure that every person, whatever 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:50.480 their gender identity, whatever their sexual orientation, whatever their decision 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:53.520 may be about having a family, starting a family with 0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:59.840 whom when whether that should be supported, it should be embraced, 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.520 and the diversity of that that we have in this 0:27:02.640 --> 0:27:06.040 country should be seen as a strength and should be 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.880 something that we should be investing in. And they want 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.879 to say, no, we have a very narrow vision yep, 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.720 that is based on, frankly, a time that probably never 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.040 really existed, but somehow they've got in their head that 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.040 there was a time. It was magical and only the 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.760