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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks.

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Speaker 1: And we continue now a part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with terror Sundam right after these brief messages from our

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Speaker 1: general sponsors. There is a social stigma with addiction.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, and so I view this is my psychology days,

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Speaker 1: coming back from a lifetime ago. But I do view

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Speaker 1: alcoholism the same way I view diabetes or cancer. It

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Speaker 1: is a disease, and we can talk about it all

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Speaker 1: we want to, but it hasn't erased the stigma, even

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Speaker 1: though people that understand it and have studied it feel

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Speaker 1: like we're standing at the top of a mountain screaming

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Speaker 1: at the top of our lungs. Quit looking down on

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Speaker 1: somebody that's addicted to something, because that addiction is a disease,

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Speaker 1: no different than cancer or epilepsy or whatever. But the

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Speaker 1: stigma's there. I just wonder, and I could be way

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Speaker 1: off base, but I'm curious, really, just a curiosity among

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Speaker 1: healthcare professionals. Have you noticed that stigma as well? In

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Speaker 1: other words, she's an addict. We'll get to her kind

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Speaker 1: of auditude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was that. I mean I.

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Speaker 3: Would look at babies and be like, how did you

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Speaker 3: if you loved your baby, how did you do this

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Speaker 3: to your baby? And I did not understand ob use

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Speaker 3: disorder when we started Hushaby. It was to make it

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Speaker 3: better for the babies. I honestly, it was not about

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Speaker 3: the parents at all.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I, in fact, they were the villains.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was like, you did this to

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Speaker 3: your baby. Now I've learned, and I've learned so much

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Speaker 3: more about trauma and and how important the biological parent is.

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Speaker 2: That I reversed and when Okay.

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Speaker 3: We have to get you all well to have this

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Speaker 3: baby be successful in life, I have to get that family.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you ever notice an extension of that not

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Speaker 1: in you? Did you ever notice an extension of that

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Speaker 1: stigma to the baby itself?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will even with me.

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Speaker 3: I So when you're when you're a nurse in the

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Speaker 3: negu you usually have a two to four baby assignment,

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Speaker 3: So won nurse two to four babies depends on how

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Speaker 3: how sick they are, and you would have a baby

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Speaker 2: So you would leave a twelve hour shift.

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Speaker 3: Not doing a good job because you couldn't get to them,

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Speaker 3: and I remember coming in the next day, coming in

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Speaker 3: early going, I'm not taking that assignment. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: And they'd be like, I'm like, I did my time yesterday,

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing it again.

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Speaker 2: That's that's a baby.

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Speaker 1: That's an addicted baby of an addicted mother. Meanwhile, we've

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Speaker 1: got this perfect parents with this premature baby. I want

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Speaker 1: to take care of that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so I did that.

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Speaker 1: That is a very inconvenient raw truth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So not only are we talking about babies that didn't

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Speaker 1: deserve the addiction they're born with. Oftentimes they suffer the

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Speaker 1: same stigma their parents do even as infants.

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Speaker 2: Because they're really hard to care.

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Speaker 1: For and it suck, I mean, and they scream, and

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Speaker 1: who wants to be screamed up for eight hours?

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Speaker 2: And you don't feel like I mean you.

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Speaker 3: I think people that go into healthcare you want to

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Speaker 3: make a difference. I think everybody want to make a

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Speaker 3: difference in the world. But you want to make a difference.

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Speaker 3: And when you leave your job that day and feel

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Speaker 3: like you didn't do a good job because you didn't

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Speaker 3: have the ability the hands to be able to do

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Speaker 3: a good job, that's not fun. I mean, I love

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Speaker 3: my job, actually really do. And I loved being a

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Speaker 3: bedside nurse, but on those days I didn't. I love

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Speaker 3: taking care of the babies this big, and the parents

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Speaker 3: praised me and thought I was great. The baby that

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Speaker 3: was screaming most of the time. Parents weren't around. Parents

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Speaker 3: weren't around because we did not make them feel welcome.

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Speaker 1: At all, because there are a bunch of those quote, those.

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Speaker 2: Addicts, and then we made us nervous.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's something everybody should actually marinate on

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Speaker 1: a little bit, because we have to get our arms around.

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Speaker 1: These are all also diseased people, and nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: be an addict.

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Speaker 2: Nobody four year old dresses.

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Speaker 1: I want to grow up and be an opioid addict,

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Speaker 1: and I want to have children that I cause pain

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Speaker 1: through my addiction. So there's tons of guilt associated with it,

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Speaker 1: which also is more trauma, which also probably ironically enough,

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Speaker 1: perpetually drives the disease even more.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, all of the above, all of it.

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Speaker 1: So let's go back to what you said earlier, which

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Speaker 1: is a transition for you. You start noticing when you

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Speaker 1: throw these kids in a closet, they do better. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which that was a little bit of a joke, but

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Speaker 1: explain it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So so we were. I was in a tiny

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Speaker 3: little nik you not far from where my home was.

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Speaker 3: I need to be closer to my kids, so tiny,

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Speaker 2: But were hospital, Yeah, hospital closer to us.

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Speaker 3: And it was six beds in my neighborhood and five

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Speaker 3: to six babies withdrawing at a time.

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Speaker 1: Hold it, and the point about in your neighborhood you

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Speaker 1: live in a nice neighborhood. Yeah, nobody's supposed to show

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Speaker 1: up in that neighborhood with opioid addicted children. You live

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Speaker 1: in the good part of town. Is that what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my eyes were open. I was like, what in

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Speaker 3: So I call over to my regular hospital, big hospital,

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Speaker 3: and my county babies you have withdrawing there? They're like

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Speaker 3: I don't know, and I'm like, no, no, no, I

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Speaker 3: need you to count out of the eighty beds, I

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Speaker 3: need you to count how.

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Speaker 2: Many babies do we have there withdrawing?

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Speaker 3: Because what we did in the big unit was they

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Speaker 3: would come in, I'd admit them, I'd do my exam,

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Speaker 3: the resident team, which means they're not getting two caregivers.

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Speaker 2: They're getting them looked at once a day.

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Speaker 3: They're not getting a practitioner and a doctor looking at

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Speaker 3: them because they're those babies. And called over there and

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Speaker 3: six months, I'd call monthly and we'd have almost two

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Speaker 3: I had three families come in. Two were the biological parents.

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Speaker 3: They were very frustrated because they said, you just want

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Speaker 3: to keep my baby in the NICU. That's the reason

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Speaker 3: you keep giving medication. And I was like, no, this

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Speaker 2: And I was like, we don't that's not it. Whatever.

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Speaker 3: then I start looking and I'm like, crop you look

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Speaker 3: and it's between two and five o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Then I have so what are they doing drugging the

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Speaker 3: They're tired, they're exhausted, and if you don't have good energy,

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Speaker 3: the baby is going to feed off that anxiety. And

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Speaker 3: so I mean even at Hushabay, if I have certain

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Speaker 3: pretty soon all the babies are crying.

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, you need to go take a breather.

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Speaker 1: And so the parents are seeing this, yeah.

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Speaker 2: They're they're going, okay, so this is happening.

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Speaker 1: But we're talking also about the parents who had the

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Speaker 3: But these two were these two sets were on the

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Speaker 1: I got it.

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Speaker 2: So they're well.

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Speaker 1: So they're well, they're well, and they want their child

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Speaker 1: and their child can't get out of the nick.

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Speaker 2: You it's months.

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Speaker 3: Every night in the middle of the months hu every

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Speaker 3: to get them home. And it was just frustrating. And

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Speaker 3: then I had a set of adoptive parents. They were

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Speaker 3: the adoptive parents, we knew them from a previous baby.

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Speaker 3: And the dad said, he goes, I am not leaving

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Speaker 2: They had another baby. They're from out of state.

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Speaker 3: They're staying in a whole hotel and every day that

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Speaker 2: Of morphine, that means another forty eight hours added on

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Speaker 1: And he was saying, you're not doing this.

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Speaker 2: You're not doing it. Call me, call me at two

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Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, you're the sweetest guy in the

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Speaker 3: He's crying for a long time.

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Speaker 1: It's horrible.

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Speaker 3: And they call me and I'm like, okay, well, this

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Speaker 3: but call him and I'm gonna take baby into the closet.

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Speaker 2: And I took baby into the closet and within ten

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Speaker 1: Because the headache and food like symptoms times a hundred.

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Speaker 3: And the inergy calm and the energy of me going

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Speaker 2: This baby screaming is getting you.

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Speaker 3: And what I found out was when you would do

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Speaker 3: those deep breaths, all of a sudden, baby would be screaming.

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Speaker 3: But every time I took a breath, he would like

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Speaker 3: and then he started screaming. But I'd interrupt that fit

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Speaker 3: and I just kept doing it and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm like he sleeps. He was sleeping, and.

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Speaker 3: The dad like peeked in the closet and he's like,

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Speaker 3: we're good, We're good. And started doing that more and

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Speaker 3: more with more babies, and I'm like, this works.

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Speaker 1: This almost reminds me of these of these discoveries we're

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Speaker 1: here about where somebody's looking for one thing and they

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Speaker 1: bounce across another. I mean you almost kind of figured

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, really we did.

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Speaker 3: many families, you know, in the tiny neighborhood.

446
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 2: Community that I grew up in. But I can remember

447
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: my dad going, no, you're not dating. That's uh. I'm

448
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: not going to say his last name, but that is

449
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: oh no, no, no no.

450
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 3: And it's that you know, generational, generational cycle of addiction, and.

451
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: It's like poverty and everything.

452
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: Else all over We're and over and over. And if

453
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: we would deal with what the issues are right now,

454
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: get the moms and dads well, keep families together, safe lee,

455
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: we just stopped that generational.

456
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: A recent guest used a great metaphor. We can sit

457
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: down river and pull babies out of the water all

458
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: day long, but eventually need to go upstream and find

459
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: out why in the water first place.

460
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: Totally So it's totally so.

461
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: You still have nothing at this point. You've been to

462
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Now you've read a book, Now you have

463
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: an awakening the governor in Phoenix or governor of Arizona.

464
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: But you got four business cards.

465
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: So exactly what happened.

466
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: So we end up getting a fiscal sponsor, which still

467
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 3: to this day, do I really know what that was?

468
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: It was?

469
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: It was it's an organization that gives you credit, gives

470
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 3: you street credit, like you have a good idea, this

471
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: is something. And they start introducing me to different people

472
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 3: and okay, learn about how to put a budget together,

473
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: go to this, how do you write a grant? How

474
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: do you Let's introduce you to these different people. And

475
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: learned a lot doing that. My kids knew what I

476
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: was trying to do. I taught him about aces. They

477
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: were obviously, you know, very engaged. And my son is

478
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: he must have been a sophomore in high school and

479
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: he goes, mom, I can't remember her name, Jeanette, I

480
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 3: think is her name?

481
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: Her dad wants to talk with you.

482
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, what he's in his marketing

483
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: class and they're talking about marketing and goes, yeah, my

484
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: mom's doing what I wanted to do. And Janette's dad,

485
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: I think maybe grandpa owned a methadone clinic. Really, And

486
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: so my son talked about what I was doing. His

487
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: classmate heard about what I was doing, went home, talked

488
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: to their family, asked if I would come and talk

489
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: to the pregnant moms at the clinic.

490
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, I can come talk to pregnant moms.

491
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what I really am going to tell them,

492
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 3: but sure, I'll talk to them. And I would go

493
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: one hour once a month and talk with them and

494
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: just tell them that Department of Child Safety is going

495
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 3: to be involved. You have to tell the truth, the

496
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: whole truth, and nothing about the truth. Tell them you

497
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: want a parent, tell them you need help, have them

498
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: help you so that you can help your baby.

499
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 2: What we found first, twelve babies or twelve babies born.

500
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 3: Nine of them went home with their parents one hour

501
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 3: once a month, me talking to them telling them what

502
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: to do. I gave them hope, I gave them different resources,

503
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: connecting them to the community partners that I had learned

504
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: of and was just kind of like a really good

505
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 3: case manager, but also that biggest cheerleader of going you

506
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: can do it, and I believe in you, and you

507
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: are the best person for your baby.

508
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: And when you do that, you see them get whoa.

509
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: I for that first set of data, I didn't keep

510
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: anybody's name. Literally, when I started realizing they were taking

511
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: their babies home, because it's completely inverted if you look

512
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: at usually maybe one in four babies go home with

513
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: their parents, the other three go to foster care. That's

514
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: usually what we used to see. And I was like,

515
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: oh my gosh. So it started writing down. I'm like,

516
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: purple lipstick went home, green hair, green hair, bright blue eyes.

517
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: I didn't even know their names because I was I didn't.

518
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: They made me uncomfortable.

519
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: Still, I'm dealing with people that struggle with substance juice,

520
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: and at this time it was heroines, so they were

521
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: shooting up and I'm like, I didn't get substance juice.

522
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'm at the.

523
00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: Clinic and they're explaining everything to me. Then I'm looking

524
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 3: at the science of dope being in the brain and

525
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, so they really are not bad people.

526
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: You know this? There there's yes, they just need help.

527
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: They are the lowest of the low that they.

528
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: Passed, more than likely came up, just like their babies will.

529
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: If there's not some intervention.

530
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: Probably came not all, but many, many, many. This is generational.

531
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: But you don't have a building, You still have nothing, nothing,

532
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: You're just talking to people. So what happens?

533
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I meet my board president at you know,

534
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 3: meet him.

535
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: He was starting.

536
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: He was the CEO of a homeless hospital circle the

537
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: city in Phoenix. It was one of the first of

538
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: its kind in the nation. And they connected me. My

539
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: fiscal sponsor connected me with him, and he just kind

540
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: of mentored me. I have I have a napkin of

541
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: him explaining a budget to me, but I keep them.

542
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: Brandon, remember this because I.

543
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 3: Didn't even know what I was talking about, and I

544
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 3: acted like in that conversation, I acted like I understood

545
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: what he was saying.

546
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I have no clue what you're saying. Dude.

547
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm just lucky I can keep a baby alive.

548
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: But but he connected me with the Bob and Renee

549
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: Parsons Foundation.

550
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: You speak, go daddy, no kidding, and uh.

551
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: At that time, you have to have your five oh

552
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: one C three for three years for funders to really

553
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: listen to you. Well, I hadn't had my fabel one

554
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: C three for three years. And Brandon begged their executive

555
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: director maybe CEO, Laura Mitchell to talk with me, and

556
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: it was supposed to be an hour and I was

557
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: two and a half hours later.

558
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: He had to leave.

559
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: He's like, Okay, I'm gonna let you guys keep talking.

560
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: But she just kept asking questions, asking questions, and you know,

561
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: we left the meeting and I'm like, I understand that

562
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: you can't even look at me for funding because I'm

563
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: not three years old. And she ended up calling me

564
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: back probably two weeks later and said.

565
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: I want you to submit a proposal, and Laura does

566
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: not have you.

567
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: Submit a proposal unless Laura thinks it's going to be approved.

568
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: And so she took it to the Parsons and initially

569
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: they said no, and about six it was probably six

570
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: months later, and I wasn't surprised that they said no.

571
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, I would say no too.

572
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm asking for a lot of money to get a building,

573
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: and I mean, and I'm a nurse and not a

574
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: business person. Yes, I have Brandon backing me, and I

575
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: have some other board members that are really impressive, but

576
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: that's a big, big give. And one day I'm on

577
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: my couch and Laura Mitchell calls and she goes, Bob

578
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: and Rene, I want to give you almost a million

579
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: dollars to open up Pushway, and I did the ugly

580
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: cry like my husband was like, I have no idea

581
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 3: what's going on. But he pulled out his phone and

582
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: videoed me, and I was just like.

583
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: What my gosh, oh my god.

584
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: And I told her, I'm like, okay, I know, and

585
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: I did a snort and everything, and I'm like, I know,

586
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: this isn't professional.

587
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.

588
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: And she was like, nope, the best type of you know,

589
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: feedback that you can ever give. And then the State

590
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: of Arizona matched that gift with the opiate settlement money.

591
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: And then we.

592
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: Just said, okay, we opened our doors November twenty twenty,

593
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: and we've now served almost eight hundred over over eight

594
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: hundred babies.

595
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: So tell me what you opened to November twenty two. Yeah,

596
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: would you convert?

597
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: Yes?

598
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: We well, a massive closet, A massive closet.

599
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I think it was a like check

600
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: cashing place. Prior to us.

601
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,239
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me, But we got it.

602
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: We got it it and made it completely. It's twelve beds,

603
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: twelve individual nursery rooms of this size and you have it, yep, yeah,

604
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: and you have yeah, it's probably ten by ten, probablylice,

605
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: but we have.

606
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: You have a twin bed in there for mom and dad.

607
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Believe me, both of them sleep in there. They're just fine.

608
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: We have a bascinet, a rocking chair, a changing table.

609
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: Why a dugger environment. We make it dark dark, dark,

610
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: dim dim dim lights. You very rarely turn the overhead

611
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: lights on. We just have little sconces on the side.

612
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: And we hired people that this is their population.

613
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: They want to ran nurses.

614
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: Yep, nurses and patient care assistants. We have a grant

615
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: through the Governor's Office of for a Mayra Corps, so

616
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: like Peace Corps, but we have AmeriCorps members that come cuddle,

617
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: and we have over one hundred and fifty volunteers that

618
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: hold babies around the clock.

619
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: And there's twelve beds. So I can't imagine. Well, first

620
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: of all, does insurance reimburse for any of them?

621
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: Now they do, but they didn't, so that first that first, Yeah,

622
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: let's we're going year three and I'm finally getting reimbursed.

623
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 3: I just it just got my seventh year, so I

624
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: guess getting reimbursed.

625
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to now my business fand's activated. So I

626
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: can't imagine that a hospital was to send you their children. Correct,

627
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: you're the people that you can't do this, and they're

628
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: probably bounded determined to prove that you can't even though

629
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: you are. So how are you getting babies?

630
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 2: Mostly?

631
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Initially it was moms that we were working with prenatally,

632
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: so we met them, they find out they were pregnant

633
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: at the Methodone clinic or in jail. They heard about hushaby.

634
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 3: They got connected with us and we started working with them.

635
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: Well, do they demand give me my baby out of

636
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: the hospital and they bring them to you?

637
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: Is that how they beg?

638
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: Beg beg And sometimes they listen and we'll let them

639
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: transfer their baby for you and I. If we had

640
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: a baby that was born substance exposed, we would say

641
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: I want my baby transferred to hush Abie, and our

642
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: baby would be transferred to Hushbie for my families. They

643
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: got to flip a coin. Let's hope that all of

644
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 3: the right people are on at that hospital today at

645
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: the right time, that will say yes, transfer or baby.

646
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: So last year I had one hundred and forty seven

647
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: babies that could have transferred to us, that we had

648
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: worked with their parents pre natali that were denied transfer.

649
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: Because the hospital wanted to keep them, because they want

650
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: the insurance money, or because they don't want to support you,

651
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: or both.

652
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

653
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: As she shakes her head back and forth and has

654
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: a very slick smile, but the fact is, don't Yeah,

655
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: we'll be right back.

656
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 3: If a family that has a baby that's born substance

657
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: exposed in Arizona, Department of Child Safety is involved in

658
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: every case, So if they start doing a ruckus at

659
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: the hospital, we can say anything to DCS, and DCS

660
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: is going to believe us and not the parents, and.

661
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: So they get scared.

662
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so the parents get scared and they're like,

663
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 3: you know what, I just need to not rock the boat. Yep.

664
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: But if I'm rocking the boat, then I'm I can't rock.

665
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: The boat bureaucracy. All right, Yeah, so you've how many

666
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: babies did you treat the first year?

667
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: The first year I think has one hundred and ninety nine.

668
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: I think it was one night.

669
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: So I'm doing math. Yeah, okay, what is the average

670
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: stay of a baby in the normal bright lights BP

671
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: place hospital thing with the medicine and all that.

672
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: The last date. I just looked this up because I'm like,

673
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 3: the numbers have got to have changed. But it's twenty

674
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: one days, is what they're saying. I think that's a

675
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 3: very low estimate.

676
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: For the Yes, you think it's I think it's we'll

677
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: go with twenty one. What is the average number that

678
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: I stay with you?

679
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Nine? And that's that's for sure the right number.

680
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: So that's the first year you almost had every bedfull

681
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: no if non days stumps ninety nine, you had on

682
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: average eight of twelve beds full of storms.

683
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta tell you how I figured the mouth.

684
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: So nine.

685
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: And I have twelve beds that I can have have

686
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: twelve babies three hundred.

687
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: And sixty five days a year.

688
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: So you divide that by a nine and the average

689
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: length of stay of nine days divided by I'm doing

690
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: it with you, Yeah.

691
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: It's I can.

692
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: If I was completely full, I could have had like

693
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: five hundred babies here.

694
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: Five hundred, Okay, I got it.

695
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: I could have about five hundred.

696
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So the point is, on a non day average,

697
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: you can handle five hundred babies. We're on a twenty

698
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: one day average a hospital can only handle about two

699
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five.

700
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if they needed the So when the hospitals

701
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: are busy, we get the babies, no problem.

702
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: When the hospitals are slow, do not.

703
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: You cannot tell me these decisions are not driven by

704
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: the dollar because of what you just said. And if

705
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: the beds are full, yes, let them go.

706
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: Yes.

707
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: If the beds are empty.

708
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: No, we got It's absolutely it.

709
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: So again we're talking about what's in the best interest

710
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: of the child is not always primary.

711
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: Well, the many of my peers feel like that the hospital.

712
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: We do good work in the hospital.

713
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: It's not the nurses to see administration that makes a

714
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: lot of.

715
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: We do really good work.

716
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: But there is a difference and many feel that, well,

717
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: we did the same thing as you do. We're doing

718
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: that same care medal like, but you're not because you

719
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: do not have even if they feel that they're doing

720
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: the exact same thing for the babies, they do not

721
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: have behavior health services for the parents on site so

722
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: that the parents can get well without having to lead

723
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 3: the side of their baby.

724
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is you told me that it's

725
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: a nurse has two to four babies per shift. Let's

726
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: call it an average of three. You're telling me, in

727
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: your place, you have someone with that baby one to

728
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: one the entire time. They stay yes, so that baby

729
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: is never not held, loved, correct, calmed, correct.

730
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: Very rarely do we not have one to one, very rarely?

731
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So the first year was did you say on

732
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: hundred ninety nine? Ye?

733
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I think three twenty twenty three.

734
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 3: Last year we had two hundred and sixty five.

735
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: I think that is phenomenal. All right, So now we

736
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: know you're caring for two hundred and sixty five children

737
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: born with an opioid addiction? Am I saying that? Right? Dependence?

738
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: Dependency, dependence, You're right, You're good.

739
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: But more importantly is that twin bed that's in that

740
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: room and who's occupying it?

741
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 3: So that's that's it. Tell us, Yeah, the parents, if

742
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: we can get them.

743
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's.

744
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: A game changer for the parents, it's a game changer,

745
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: it's a game changer for the baby, and it's a

746
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: game changer for the entire community because our jails and

747
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: our prisons are filled with people that are struggling with

748
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: substance use.

749
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Can I tell you some demographics from a previous sure

750
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: guest that plays right into this. Sixty percent of girls

751
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: who are trafficked in the United States came from the

752
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: foster care system. Fifty five percent of the people that

753
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: are homeless today languished in the foster care system. Sixty

754
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: percent of the people who have been incarcerated more than

755
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: three times came from the foster care system. It is

756
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: estimated that seventy percent of the people who have chronic

757
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: dependence to drugs came from the foster care system. It's

758
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: also estimated that that there are four hundred thousand kids

759
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: in the foster care system annually. So let's compound that

760
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: and think about what we're turning out into society and

761
00:42:52,920 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: that endemic problem we have. So if these beds and

762
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: these hospitals that are filled with many children who are

763
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: born with an opioid dependency, and I think your numbers

764
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: say that only one in four go home with their parents,

765
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: three and four go to the foster care system. And

766
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: then we put together what I just told you about

767
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: the foster care system, what's your only demographics I learned

768
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: from another guest, but they're real demographics. That means that

769
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the foster care systems problem starts

770
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: in the neonatal intensive care unit. Now, let's just fathom

771
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: that for a minute.

772
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 3: You're saying all these stats and I'm like, Okay, don't cry,

773
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: because that's exactly I mean, that just paints the entire picture.

774
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 4: But that is it that fathom that for just a second,

775
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: if we could connect these babies to their children at

776
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 4: a higher rate, we reduce the foster care system and

777
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 4: thus reduce homelessness, dependency, trafficking, trafficking, all of it.

778
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: Yep.

779
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: And I will tell you that we partner really.

780
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: Well with our Department of Child Safety because what we've done,

781
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: having the parents with us and working with us prenatally

782
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 3: and postpartum that entire continuum of care, seventy six percent

783
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: of our babies are going home with their parents safely versus.

784
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: Twenty five percent from the normal. For a second, let's

785
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: forget that the children are not spending their first twenty

786
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: one days on earth in a bright hospital beeping lights,

787
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: with a flu and headache. That's one hundred times versu normal,

788
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: which is tragic that an infants life is like that.

789
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: You're reducing that twenty one days of trauma to nine correct. Okay,

790
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: that's huge, And if that was ill, if that was

791
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: the story, we can wrap it up. It's beautiful. High five,

792
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: safe trip back to Phoenix. I love what you're doing. Yeah,

793
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: to me, that is beautiful, But it is not really

794
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: the whole story. It's not even the biggest part of story.

795
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: The biggest part of story is that same twenty one

796
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: days turns into a twenty five percent go home with

797
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: their children, but seventy five percent up in foster care.

798
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: You're not only reducing by two thirds the amount of

799
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: time this poor infants dealing with this trauma their first

800
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: days on earth, but you're sending seventy five percent home

801
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: with their parents safely, safely and helping their parents get

802
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: right correct and reducing the dependence on our feld foster

803
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: care system by seventy five percent.

804
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: Correct, And our Department of Child Safety now sees our

805
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 3: numbers and our stats and they partner with us.

806
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: We have took me three years, but I have a.

807
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: DCS liaison, so so say, every every one of our

808
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: families is connected with DCS, which they should be. All

809
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: of our families need to. Well maybe not all should

810
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: because many are on that medication and their babies are

811
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: born substance exposed. So should DCS be engaged with them? No,

812
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: but I would rather be safe than sorry, So DCS

813
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: gets engaged with them.

814
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: What we've been able to do.

815
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: Is say DCS is not making a good choice, like

816
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 3: they're going to send baby home and we know.

817
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: That mom, and they're not ready or they're making the

818
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: wrong choice.

819
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 3: It's like there there is a grandma and grandpa that

820
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: are stepping up Mom.

821
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: We can have mom go to Sally's place or Maggie's place.

822
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: That's that's what we can do.

823
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: We have this whole plan, and you're not you're not listening,

824
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: and we can go to our Alicia Franklin and and

825
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: I can call her and be like, can you look

826
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 3: at the case because they're not making the right choice,

827
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: and we have just I believe we got them in

828
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 3: the middle of January and in March we had three

829
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: families that we changed the way that it was supposed

830
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 3: to be to the right way and.

831
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 2: Kept babies together with their families.

832
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 3: And it was the DCS worker just didn't have enough

833
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: time to do the whole investigation.

834
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let those people, yeah, I mean they're dealing with difficulties.

835
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do great work, but boy is that hard.

836
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. So I'm stuck on this twenty

837
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: one verse nine day thing. Yes, And we played with

838
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: all these numbers about one hundred, nine nine and five

839
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: hundred buds and everything, and I did it really poor

840
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: job of getting to it. But like I said that,

841
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: the business part of it gets to me. I also

842
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: got to believe twenty one days in a intensive care

843
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: neonatal unit in a hospital versus nine days at Hushaby,

844
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: even though your standard of care includes the parents, even

845
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: for all of that care, I got to believe there's

846
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: a significant difference in the cost of I mean, there's

847
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: a pragmatic thing here happening too, right.

848
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so when you're looking at bed days, one

849
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: night's day in a neonatal intensive care unit in research

850
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: says it's twenty four hundred to thirty five hundred dollars

851
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: a night.

852
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: So let's let's do twenty three grand.

853
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm that's right, fifty thousand dollars, yes, for a hospital.

854
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: Correct that the insurance is paying.

855
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: Correct, that we're paying because they're medicaid, that.

856
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 1: Our tax dollars are passed exactly sixty grand for twenty

857
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: one days. Yes, what do you cost for your.

858
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: Nine one thousand dollars? So nine thousand dollars a stay,

859
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 3: ninety eight percent of my family's are our tax dollars

860
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 3: were paying for them.

861
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Holy smokes, we've said so, even if you don't care

862
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: about the social aspect of this, this also has the

863
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: ability to significantly reduce the amount of money being spent

864
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: on this problem.

865
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, it's a no brainer. Can you look at it?

866
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: You want to go, how do not do the math

867
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 3: and go this is what we should do? So how

868
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: do we get the pushdown from the community, the government

869
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: or whatever to the people that make the choices to go,

870
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: this is what we're doing.

871
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, even if the governor didn't slip you his

872
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: business card, he should have jumped around at these numbers.

873
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 3: Oh they do, Yeah, we the governor, the governor's office, legislators,

874
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 3: they see the numbers.

875
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do get it.

876
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: But it's a fine line of what they can tell

877
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: hospitals and providers. I don't really quite understand because I'm like, huh,

878
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: you really can't just tell them to it's.

879
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: Kind of dead in the first reader. How do you

880
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: not get it? And I'll tell you, and I know

881
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: you don't know these numbers, but would really be interested

882
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: in is that's twenty one and nine days of a

883
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: baby's life. All right, you're already fifty four thousand dollars

884
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: on average to the good after three weeks. I wonder

885
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: what the cost of the taxpayer is the kids that

886
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: end up in foster care because the parents aren't treated,

887
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: versus the kids that ended up with their families. I

888
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: bet you could extend this number out and.

889
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: Then how many end in jail? End up in jail

890
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 2: all of them have kids, and then it just keeps.

891
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean, this thinking steamroll and quickly. If you multiply

892
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: at times the numbers of these children that are in

893
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: beds and all of the cities and municipalities across country,

894
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: you're in the billions.

895
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: Yes, it's crazy.

896
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: We we had our medicaidors, our access is what we

897
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: call them. They came to visit and I shared how

898
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: many millions we had saved them already.

899
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 2: Their CFO was with and he was like, it's like, oh,

900
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 2: I got his attention. Now yeay, shouting.

901
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: Back, I mean somebody.

902
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 3: Got to be Yeah, they do, they really, they really

903
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 3: do support us.

904
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: I mean sustainability for us.

905
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 3: Right now we're at about sixty percent that we raise

906
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: funds for and forty percent that we're getting reimbursed for.

907
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, absolutely it was zero. So I

908
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 3: mean it's it. We're getting there, but it's it's definitely

909
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 3: not our business model. Isn't to the point that we go, oh, yes,

910
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 3: absolutely this works where.

911
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 2: We're at right at the moment.

912
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: You're only three and a half yearself.

913
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,479
Speaker 2: Yes, that's for sure.

914
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, you know Charles Barkley, Yes, I do exactly.

915
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: So when his daughter was fifteen about to term sixteen,

916
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: Charles was on T and T doing his stuff, and

917
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: Shock was joking about the guys that we're going to

918
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: start coming around and trying to date him, and Charles

919
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: and Charles Barkley esque said, no problem, I got it.

920
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: I said, really, what do you mean, what do you

921
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: got it? Shuck? He said yeah. He said that that

922
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: first young man that comes to date my daughter, I'm

923
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: going to invite him into the home, and then when

924
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: he comes into my living room, I'm to have him

925
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: sit on my couch and I'm gonna walk over to him.

926
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit him right in his mouth and knock

927
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: teeth out. And Shack's like, well, how's that going to

928
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: do anything? He said, Oh, after that, word to get around,

929
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: I think, I think with the amazing success you've had

930
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: for only three and a half years, you just got

931
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: to keep telling the story, and you get to keep

932
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: showing what you're doing for families and for children and

933
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: for changing the trajectory of where people end up and

934
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: the financial aspect to it and everything else. And I

935
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: just got to believe, although the wheels of this kind

936
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: of world turned slowly.

937
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 3: Word to get around, Yeah, I do too, I do too.

938
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 3: It's crazy, but it's what needs to be done.

939
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: So, so.

940
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: What next. You're changing lives, You're changing babies lives, You're

941
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: changing families, lave You're changing the arc of an entire

942
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: group of children's prospects. Yeah, so what add more beds?

943
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: What are you going to do next? What are we doing?

944
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: We need We still need to get all the hospitals

945
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: on board.

946
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 3: We need it to be that the gold standard of

947
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 3: care is when a mom finds out she's pregnant and

948
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: she struggles with substance use number one, she's not stigmatized

949
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: and not thought like she's the worst person in the world.

950
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: So that she will get prenatal care, so that she

951
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 2: would get connected with Hushaby.

952
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: But then we need it that every baby that's born

953
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 3: that is well, that is just going through the withdrawal

954
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: process for it to just be a no brainer that

955
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: this is a gold standard of care.

956
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: They're with Hushabi transformed to Hushaby. Send us. We should

957
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: have our beds full twenty four to seven and then

958
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: you have.

959
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: The staff for it. We do and the volunteer we do.

960
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: We but we are not full. Our average daily census

961
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: is six.

962
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: Why isn't this in every city in the.

963
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 3: Country Because it's never been done before, That's why.

964
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 2: And it's you know, you.

965
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 3: Sit there and go how long did it take to

966
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: have like stroke rehab?

967
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: How long did it take.

968
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: To have surgia centers that only do knee replacements.

969
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how long that took.

970
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: I wish I did so that I could go, Okay, yeah,

971
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 3: this will be taken, you know, brought to Memphis, that

972
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 3: it would be brought to all over the country.

973
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: Because everyone's struggling.

974
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: Doesn't this say to be published in like the American

975
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: Journal Medicine or whatever the doctor white people do. So

976
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: we just I don't even know what that means. I've

977
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: just said something completely out of my rear and I

978
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: don't even know what that means except but it does.

979
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: I've like heard it on the news before, so it

980
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: sounded and much.

981
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: No, but and it does, and we need to get

982
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: it published. The big thing up until this point is

983
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 3: having the bandwidth to be able to like collect all

984
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: the day. We collect data that we need for our

985
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 3: grants to make sure that we are able to support

986
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: what we say that we're going to do, but it

987
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: takes money to be able to do that. We now

988
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: have one of the hospitals that totally believes on our

989
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: mission that's sharing their data.

990
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: We are good for that hospital.

991
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: What is that hospital's name.

992
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: Dignity Health. That's Saint Joseph's.

993
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: Good for Dignity Health at Saint Joseph's in Phoenix and Phoenix.

994
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: Good for you hospital.

995
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: There, whoever's administrating that place, good for you.

996
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they're sharing their data.

997
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: We're going to compare it so that we can actually

998
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: publish and go there's a better way.

999
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Isn't that what you're supposed to do? And it's supposed

1000
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: to be about how do we improve care? Yes, for

1001
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: not only the baby, the whole family, for all of us.

1002
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 3: And yeah, we should be giving, for sure a baby

1003
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 3: the very best care.

1004
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: How we rowed? Are your sons of you?

1005
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 2: They're proud of me, they are when.

1006
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: You hear this, this is from one of your volunteers.

1007
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: I truly felt like I was making a difference for

1008
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: a husher by baby I cuddled today. The nurse on

1009
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: staff told me, this is a volunteer. The nurse i

1010
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: staff told me that he had not slept all morning

1011
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: and was in a lot of pain. I closed my

1012
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: eyes and took three deep breasts and hoped my centering

1013
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: brust would help him feel the piece I was working

1014
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: to create. I swaddled him tightly, held him close, and

1015
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: soon he was sleeping quietly and his breathing regulated. We rocked,

1016
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: he slept together in the dark room for three very

1017
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: piece flowers. That sweet baby will never know how he

1018
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: helped me feel strong, calm and needed.

1019
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah that's rush, Yeah, Elizabeth, gee, oh that's so speed.

1020
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: It is. It's one of those that with Hushby. It

1021
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 2: does heal everyone.

1022
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: Like you can be having a bad day and you

1023
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 3: go in and you go, okay, there are other people

1024
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: that have really really bad days, but the babies do

1025
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: heal us. And sometimes, I mean, I'll be in a

1026
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: meeting and I'm like, oh my gosh, I just need

1027
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 3: some baby time and go up there and I'm like, okay,

1028
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: let's just you regulate in the room. You literally walk

1029
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 3: into hushebai and it is just a different environment.

1030
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: Tell me a story of a family from that first year.

1031
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: He's reached back out to you and thank you not

1032
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: only for helping their baby, but you hurt their family.

1033
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I had a mom and dad that grandma actually

1034
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 3: heard about us.

1035
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: She was out of state.

1036
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: I don't know how she heard about us, but she

1037
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: heard about us and said that her son and his baby.

1038
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 2: Mama were going to deliver any day.

1039
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 3: Now they're homeless, they're struggling with substance shoes.

1040
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: She has.

1041
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 3: This was her fourth baby. All of the other babies

1042
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: were out of home and in foster care. Yeah, in

1043
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 3: foster care.

1044
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: Going down the dreaded thing we just talked about, yep.

1045
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 3: And.

1046
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: Somehow we did this. This baby was born.

1047
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: At Saint jose and Saint Joseph's sent baby to us,

1048
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 3: so it was one of our very first babies, and

1049
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: he actually was with us the longest at that time.

1050
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: I think he was with us for twenty seven days.

1051
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, he had a really hard time. But mom

1052
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: and dad came and they were homeless, so they it

1053
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: was hot.

1054
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: It was during the summer.

1055
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: Literally the first three days, I was like, oh my goodness,

1056
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 3: this is going.

1057
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: To be a long time with them.

1058
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 3: I remember, and I'm not proud of it of me

1059
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: sailing that because they were more or less using us

1060
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: as a hotel and food and you know, staying cool.

1061
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 3: One had a really really hard time and they really

1062
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 3: wouldn't look at him for the first three days, like

1063
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 3: they just yeah, they just went and slept, and then

1064
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: they go, yes, it totally was So they middle of

1065
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 3: the night they hear him crying and the nurses to

1066
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: get up because they hadn't been attending to him, and

1067
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, he stopped crying, and they're like,

1068
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 3: I don't know how how.

1069
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: He stopped crying, but he stopped.

1070
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 3: And Mom's in there, she's changing his diaper. She looks up,

1071
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 3: she's like yeah, I've got him. They're like, do you

1072
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 3: need help.

1073
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 2: She's like, nope, I'm good.

1074
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 3: And that next day the nurse was like, can you

1075
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 3: tell that mom to keep coming back because we had

1076
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: not been able to wean him on his medication at all.

1077
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: He was a completely different baby when his mom had

1078
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 3: him in a.

1079
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: Totally And that next day I'm talking with her and I'm.

1080
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: Like, I need you to do what you didn't do yesterday.

1081
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: And she's like what, And I'm like, because he had

1082
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: a really good day with you, and I need you

1083
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: to not do what you didn't do.

1084
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: And she kind of looks me and I go, you

1085
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about.

1086
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: And what I was saying was, please don't use whatever medications,

1087
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 3: whatever drugsy you used to use. Please don't take what

1088
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 3: you didn't because you were functioning and you were parenting

1089
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 3: and you were doing a good job and he needs you.

1090
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 3: And twenty seven days later, the day before he's ready

1091
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: to be discharged, we knew he was going to foster

1092
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: care because grandma's out of state. It's really hard to

1093
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 3: get a baby out of state to keep them in

1094
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 3: the family, just bureaucracy.

1095
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: Mom and dad were ready.

1096
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 3: For treatment and we knew he was going foster care,

1097
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 3: and so it was a Thursday afternoon and mom said,

1098
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 3: could we meet the foster mom. I'm like, oh my gosh,

1099
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 3: I would never have that happen. I can't even imagine

1100
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 3: that she's gonna say yes. But I said, I'll ask her.

1101
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: I don't think she's going to say yes. And so

1102
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 3: the foster mom called, and we had said she needed

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01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 3: to come because he was he was a hard baby

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01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 3: still at twenty seven days. I'm like, we need to

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01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: teach you the tips and tricks, so we need you

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01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 3: to come in tonight and then tomorrow you can take

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01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 3: them home. And she I talked with her. She goes, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it. I thought i'd just ask.

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Speaker 2: I totally understand. It's not a big It is kind

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Speaker 2: of a big deal, but not a big deal.

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Speaker 3: She calls back too late hours later and she goes,

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Speaker 3: I'll come and meet him.

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Speaker 2: Are they there. I'm like, yep, they're there, So we're tiny.

1114
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 3: She ends up taking baby out into this little family

1115
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: area and foster mom's there, mom and dad and grandma there.

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Speaker 3: Mom and dad are teaching foster mom how to care

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Speaker 3: for their son like this is what he likes.

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Speaker 2: When he does this what he likes. It's like babies,

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01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: and they're like, got to have that bond and know

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Speaker 2: where their baby was going.

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Speaker 3: The next day, this is how Hushaby's different than everybody else.

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Speaker 3: The next day, we had worked with our community partners

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01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: to get dad and mom into the same treatment center.

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01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: One's going to the guys going to the girls. But

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Speaker 3: we had it planned that we were going to go.

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Speaker 3: Mom would only go if she knew dad got in.

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 3: She goes, I'm fine, I will be good. He will

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Speaker 3: not if he won't go. So we got transportation. You

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01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 3: have to use case management to get transportation through insurance

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01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 3: to the treatment center. Talk to the treatment center. They

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 3: call us and the dad's here. He's done his intake.

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Speaker 3: He's in.

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 2: So we tell mom we're like, okay, here he is.

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Speaker 2: We're ready to.

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01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: Roll, and she's like, okay. Spend the whole morning with

1136
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 3: the foster mom. At noon, she has her intake at

1137
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 3: the place, we get in, get transportation again. We put

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01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 3: baby in car seat in the foster mom's car, put

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01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 3: mom in the uber going to treatment, and the foster

1140
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: mom goes over to mom and the uber and she's like,

1141
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 3: get out, and we're all crying because at this time

1142
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: he was our longest baby and it was like they

1143
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: were taking our baby, too good, you.

1144
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: Taking me up.

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01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 3: But we were so proud of them because seeing them

1146
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 3: not well to now they're going to treatment and they're

1147
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 3: doing so well and engaged and they had hope. And

1148
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 3: the foster mom's like get out, and we're like what

1149
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: she do? And mom gets out and the foster mom

1150
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: like just embraces her and she goes, go get well

1151
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: for your baby.

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01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: I have your son and I will take care of

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01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: him and tell you're well.

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01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 5: And then everybody's balling. We're like, Okay, this never happens.

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01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 5: When people foster, they foster. They're not supposed to foster

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01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 5: to adopt. Some are fostering to adopt. Sometimes foster needs

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01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 5: to leads to adoption and it happens.

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 2: But this she was fostering. She was supporting those parents.

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01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 2: Nineteen months later, they're working full time. They get reunified

1160
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: that foster mom is their best babysitter.

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01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: Now you're kidding.

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01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 2: They now have had another baby, planned pregnancy. Mom was

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01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 2: on methadone.

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01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 3: So they come to us completely different story. Mom and dad, well,

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 3: they're mentoring all the other parents and they're going.

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01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: This is how you do it.

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01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: Yes, their baby's going through withdrawal, but their little one

1168
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: was only there. Their second one was with us for

1169
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 3: eight days and they did great. Parents are healthy, they're engaged,

1170
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 3: they knew how to care for her. They knew the ropes.

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01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 3: I mean they were telling everybody.

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01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: What to do. They send me pictures all the time,

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01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: and that's what happens without ushbah oh.

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01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 3: Ever, there's been an oopsie here and there. But what

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01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 3: did they do when there was an oopsie? Call us

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01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: told us we called dcs, where like, kids are safe.

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Speaker 2: This is a plan. Now the foster mom's going to

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Speaker 2: be more engaged.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be one big, happy family for a little bit.

1180
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 3: But what you find is people that have substance use

1181
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 3: disorder aka addiction to a substance, they don't have great

1182
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 3: coping skills. And if you haven't dealt with the mental health,

1183
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 3: your mental health, we can give you medication.

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01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: You can do it for a certain.

1185
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 3: Amount of time, but you lose your job, you get

1186
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 3: in a fight, something happens. If you don't have good

1187
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: coping skills, you do the one thing that's an oopsie.

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01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 3: Just like you and I when we say we're not

1189
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 3: gonna have our peanut m and ms. You have that

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01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 3: oopsie where you have you fall off and then you

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01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 3: pay yourself back up and hush a byes that place

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01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 3: that will pick them back up. They show up and

1193
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, of course, the very first thing is

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 3: baby safe. That is what we care about. But after that,

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01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, it was an oopsie.

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Speaker 1: Part of the baby being safe is having its family.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: That's a long way from putting kidney closet.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, last thing I want to know. I want to

1201
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: know how you feel when you hear this. In twenty

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01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: twenty three, you guys served seven hundred and twenty four

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: patients and two hundred and sixty eight infants. Ninety day

1204
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: follow up eighty percent, eighty percent decrease in substance use,

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: seventy percent increase in patient safety, seventy five percent, increase

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01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: in parent knowledge client satisfaction, ninety nine percent would recommend

1207
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: the program to someone they care about. Ninety nine percent

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01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: felt safe. Since opening in twenty twenty one thousand, six

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01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six parents, parents, and six hundred and

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01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 1: ninety five infants I've been served, are you.

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01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 2: It's a lot of digits. That's what I think of,

1212
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: like fingers and toes.

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01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 3: When you think of all those babies, that's a lot

1214
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 3: of kindergartene and a half years. Yeah, yeah, and I think,

1215
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 3: you know, I go, the impact is amazing, But I

1216
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 3: also look at it because I'm that overachiever of going.

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01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 2: There's so many more that need us.

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 3: We're working with one hundred and fifty three pregnant women

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01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 3: right now, one hundred and fifty three last year. At

1220
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 3: this time, we're at sixty five. So yeah, we're doing

1221
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 3: really good at partnering. But the Bentel crisis is not

1222
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 3: going anywhere.

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01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 2: It's still in full force, and.

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01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 3: Our data speaks for itself, and every baby deserves the

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01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 3: very best chance, and hush abites that, so someday it

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01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 3: will everybody will be.

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 2: Like they get it.

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 3: I have a senior impatient clinical manager that she calls

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01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 3: us the hush Hushaby formula, so like baby formula, but it's.

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01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: The Hushaby formula.

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01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 3: So someday you'll see us as being in that medical

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 3: journal as the Hushaby formula, because really it is, what

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 3: we're doing is different.

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01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 2: Exactly.

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: Well, somebody listen to us, wants to support you, here

1236
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 1: about you, read about you, or even says we got

1237
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: to have that mo town. How do they found you?

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01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hushaby Nursery dot org is www.

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 2: Hush By Nursery dot org.

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01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 3: Otherwise you could call or text four eighth six two

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 3: eight seventy five hundred. But on our website, if you

1242
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 3: just go to the info page, you can contact us

1243
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 3: and we're usually with an a couple hours, you'll get

1244
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 3: somebody to respond.

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: Somebody says I want this, and Memphis Little Rock, would

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01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: you would you come spend a couple of days with

1247
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: us and just talk through it with us?

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01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: I think we'd have to.

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01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean we do a lot of meetings talking through it,

1250
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what it looks like, what's different.

1251
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And the biggest.

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01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,839
Speaker 3: Thing is it's every state is so different bureaucracy wise

1253
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 3: that you don't understand like those little niches of okay,

1254
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 3: what is this going to be under when.

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01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: Hush have I got going?

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 3: I had to get the City of Phoenix Health Department

1257
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 3: and are Medicaid all in the same room to go.

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01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: We agree that this needs to.

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01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 3: Be something, but what are we calling it? What is

1260
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 3: it going to be licensed as?

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01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: How?

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 3: We're licensed as for babies, we're licensed as an adult detox.

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: You are what would you be? Who cares? Who cares

1264
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: what they call it?

1265
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 3: Right? But it's like, how that's how you have to

1266
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: build your building as an adult detox for babies whatever.

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01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 2: So it's one of those.

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01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: The point is you can do this and you can help,

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01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: but you got to work within whatever. Absolutely, and I'm

1270
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: certain if anybody in the Phoenix areas listen, you would

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01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: love to have any more volunteers and.

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01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 2: Yes, come tour.

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01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 3: I would love them to come and see it because

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01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 3: seeing it is really understanding.

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: Tara. You uh, just you went to college to be

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01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: a nurse and went to Phoenix and started your family

1277
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: and could you ever imagine this is where you'd be?

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01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. No, it's a good life life.

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01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: So what was it? You're just a normal person the

1280
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: sorinary need and decided to fill it.

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 2: That was it?

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 4: Yep?

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what an army and normal.

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01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: That's exactly I was gonna say. It's totally.

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01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 3: When I was connected with you, I was like, that's

1286
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 3: so it because you don't really know what you're going.

1287
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: Into It's just to see a need and it's the

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 2: right thing to do.

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01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: And you're changing lives. Yeah, it has been an absolute

1290
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,480
Speaker 1: honor to meet you and your passion and your empathy

1291
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: just ooze through your words, and I can't wait for

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01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 1: the world to hear the story through through our little

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01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: medium here and again. I just I know you got

1294
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: a lot going on. Thanks for coming to Memphis and

1295
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: spend this time with me.

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01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for the invitation. That's awesome, it's great. Thank

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: you for what you do.

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01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us this week. If Ta

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: Sunda or other guests have inspired you in general, or

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01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: better yet, inspired you to take action by volunteering with

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: Hushaby Nursery, donating to them, or starting something like it

1302
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: in your community, or something else entirely, please let me know.

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01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about it. You can write me

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01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 1: anytime at Bill at normalfolks dot us, and I promise

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Speaker 4: Yeah,