1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Let's go, Giants, 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: give me some jobs. Part of the Giants podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Let's roll. 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giantshuttle Podcast, brought to 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: you by Citizens, the official bank of the New York 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: Football Giants. I am John Schmult, joined by Matthew Sittak, 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: as we react to Hard Knocks, Episode three in New 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: York Giants off season. 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. 10 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: Frankly, we would have loved to do this the last 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: two weeks, but it's only two weeks that any of 12 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: us can take vacation. So we were a doctor at 13 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: We have our production people are off. Matt and I 14 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: were off, a lot of people are off. So we're 15 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: gonna kind of recap what happened in the first three 16 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: episodes today, but really just locking on free agency stuff, 17 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: all the great stuff from the Combine, you know, the 18 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: talks with the prospects in the room and stuff like that. 19 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: Since episode three was so heavy on free agency, understandab 20 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: we saw it was free agency week that they recapped. 21 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: We'll focus on free agency here and then we'll kind 22 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: of include all of the Draft Combine, Senior Bowl with 23 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: the draft, which, based on the teaser for next week, 24 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: appears to be the major topic. 25 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: Matt in episode four. 26 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna get into the draft. I'm excited to 27 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: see that. But the first three episodes of the show 28 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: I thought was just truly fascinating. Yeah, I mean, I know, 29 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: we've we've gone accustomed to getting a little bit of 30 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 3: an inside look into the off season with a Giant's 31 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: life the last couple of years, but I feel like 32 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: this kind of just takes it to another level. Just 33 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: because it's expanded episodes five you know, thirty to forty 34 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: five minute episodes. It just gives us this fascinating inside 35 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: look into how everything truly goes down in the front office, 36 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 3: things that you know, we've never actually seen before. I mean, 37 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: the movie Draft Day happens to be one of my 38 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: like favorite sports movies just because I love this sort 39 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 3: of behind the scenes look it gives you. And Hard Knocks, 40 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: This Hard Knocks offseason show is a real life version 41 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: of that, except it spans the entire offseason and not 42 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: just you know, one single day and seeing how Joe 43 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: Shane in the front office had built a plan to 44 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: construct the roster and you know, tonight's episode, episode three 45 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: was the free agency, the first week of free agency, 46 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: and we got to see them really start putting that 47 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: plan into action for real. 48 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: It was just so cool and interesting to see. I 49 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: will not give my Draft Day dissertation. I think I've 50 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: given it to you before. Have I given you my 51 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: draft Bye? 52 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Bye? 53 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: My good friend who actually I tried to call right 54 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: before the show. He is one of the talk show 55 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: hosts that they have in the show really talking about 56 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: because he's a real ESPN boarding show in Cleveland, and 57 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: they used him and his partner to do like they're 58 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: like commentary, Like when you're listening to the radio in 59 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: the car, that's him doing the thing. Goldamer who joined 60 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: us for the for the Browns previews, So if you're 61 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: a Draft Day fan, that's in that. He was on 62 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: our show a couple weeks ago preefing the Browns if 63 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: you want to check that out. So you talked about 64 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: how they prepare for free agency. This was episode three, 65 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: was the execution of free agency. Before we get into that, Matt, 66 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting how we sold with the 67 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: first two episodes. This group put their free agency board 68 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: together where they really take players and We didn't see 69 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: them really do this in order per se, but we 70 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: kind of saw them flash back and talk about the 71 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: process the guys they liked, how much they're gonna cost, 72 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: and then basically putting the jigsaw puzzle together based on 73 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 2: what the offseason would look like. And they talked about 74 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: and Joshine I think he said this to Brian Dable 75 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: in the meeting with him. You basically have a pie 76 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: which is the money you have available to your organization 77 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: to spend, which ended up being a little bit more 78 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: because a salary cap went up more than everyone expected. 79 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: And how do you split up that money in a 80 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: way that improves your team the most. I you like 81 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: to use a term production per dollar, right, you want 82 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: to maximize the amount of production per dollar you spend. 83 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: You want to improve your team as much as you 84 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: can per dollar you spend. And I thought it was 85 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: interesting how they really have walk away numbers on each 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: guy and have all these different scenarios which eventually, as 87 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: we learned in episode three, is out of your control. 88 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: But how much which day really detail each player? This 89 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: is the number, this is our walkaway number. This is 90 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: what we think he's gonna earn. And you know what, 91 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: sometimes you end up being way off on some of 92 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: those numbers. To be honest with, did that's the way 93 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: freegency go into the market. But I did appreciate kind 94 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: of the level of granuality and detail that they went 95 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: into and trying to put that plan together. 96 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was very cool to see them 97 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 3: sort of go through these discussions of you know, we 98 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: can get go for player A, but then we won't 99 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: be able to afford player B, or we can go 100 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: for you know, maybe even player B and C, player 101 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: B and C, but that means we have to skip out, 102 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: like skip out on player A. That was just very 103 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 3: very cool to see. And tonight's episode, as you mentioned, 104 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: was really how got into the execution of their actual plan. 105 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: And you know, obviously now we're months after free agency, 106 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: we know how everything ended up happening, but we. 107 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: Didn't know exactly how it went down. We didn't know, 108 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, how the. 109 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: Giants ended up signing John Runyon and Jermaine Luminor and 110 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 3: what other you know, possible offensive line and they were 111 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: interested in and and the same goes for you know, 112 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: every position that the Giants attacked during free agency. 113 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: Uh. 114 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: The Brian Burns part we know, we've the first two 115 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: episodes of the show. We they've they've obviously previewed the 116 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 3: Brian Burns trade. 117 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: We've seen it. 118 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 3: You know, it started at the Senior Bowl with you know, 119 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: this little throwaway comment from Panthers GM Dan Morgan which 120 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: turned into an actual trade. 121 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: It was like starting to boil water, right, You put 122 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: the flame on and the water just gets a little 123 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 2: bit hotter, a little bit hotter than eventually it boils 124 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: and then you're able. 125 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: To figure out the trade. 126 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean going back to even that first 127 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: episode when when Dan Morgan first said that line, like 128 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: how about Brian Burns for two ones? 129 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: You heard Joe Shane go oh, like he was not 130 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: expecting to hear that. And that was the first time 131 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: that Joe Shane probably heard Brian Burns is on the market. 132 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: You come in with a strong offer, we are fully 133 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: willing to listen and accept the deal to give you 134 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: Brian Burns. And that was you know, truly just I'm 135 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna keep saying, but just fascinating to see. Yeah, that's 136 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: how some of these trade negotiations truly begin. I agree. 137 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: I thought it was fun and you know, you're ready 138 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: brought up, So why don't we touch on that first 139 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: and then I'll go into one more thing before we 140 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: jump direct your free agency. I think it's also interesting 141 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: how far the Panthers moved off what the initial float was, 142 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: because first it was two ones, and Joe She's like, oh, 143 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: Brian birds, but yeah, you're nuts. You ain't getting two ones? 144 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: Right. 145 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: I think that was kind of what that kind of 146 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: like sounds that he was making on the field at 147 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: the Senior Ball, right, And then well how about a one. 148 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: And something else? 149 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: And Joe's like, oh, well, you get closer, And eventually 150 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: there were no one's involved at all. It was a 151 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: high to and then I think we'll pick They swapped 152 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: one sixty five and then to pick next. 153 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: Year, right, fifth are on pick yeah, twenty twenty five. 154 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: So just how much you have to hold your ground 155 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: and be patient where even if like you're excited. 156 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: Oh wow, I want this guy. He'd be great for us. 157 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: I want to bring him in now. 158 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: Of course at the Senior Bowl, I don't even think 159 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 2: Bowen was here yet at that point yet, right, Shane Bowen, 160 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: he had not been hired yet at that point. 161 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm mistaken. 162 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: I don't believe so so at that point, you're not 163 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: gonna make a deal that early because you don't even 164 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: know your JC is if he's gonna want the player. 165 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: But eventually you find that. 166 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: And you saw that when they were in the suite 167 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: at the combine when they asked Shane Bowen, oh, what 168 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: do you think of Brian Barry, He's like, I think 169 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: he's Brian Burts. 170 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: He has this little smile on his face, right. 171 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: I think the quote was like, I'd be good with 172 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: Brian Burns, correct. 173 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: And it's just it's just funny how much that you 174 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: had to work them down from that initial offer to 175 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: get him. You know, it's like when you're shopping right 176 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 2: or you're you're you're on the internet, you're looking at Amazon. 177 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: You're like, boy, I want to buy this thing, but 178 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: you got to be paid. You got to wait for 179 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: the sale to happen, right, you know Amazon deal days coming, 180 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: You just have to wait. You have to wait for 181 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: it to pop the sell before you place the purchase. 182 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: It's kind of the same thing when you're trying to 183 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: make these trades, right, you got to try to get 184 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: them at the lowest price you possibly can. 185 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean based off of that first comment 186 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: that Dan Morgan made it the Senior Bowl, while we 187 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: don't know if he was being serious saying that he 188 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: actually thought they'd get to first for Brian. 189 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: Well that was what they got. 190 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: Offered by the I think was the Rams reportedly offered 191 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: them two first round picks a year ago and they 192 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: turned it down. So I guess that is where Dan 193 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: Morgan likely, you know first that thought first came from. 194 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: But you have to give it up to Joe Shane 195 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: because if that was what Carolina was originally thinking, oh 196 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 3: maybe we can get this for Brian Burns, and Joe 197 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 3: Shane ended up giving up a two, a five and 198 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: then a swap of five's moving down twenty six picks. 199 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: That is a tremendous job by Joe shape And think 200 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: of the spot Dan Morgan was in and was spending 201 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: more time in this wee we probably planned. But that's okay. 202 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: Last year he was not the GM. Scott Fitterer was 203 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: right and they let go of Scott Fitterer. He got replaced. 204 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: So you then, and we saw this when they eventually 205 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 2: pulled the trigger on the trade. You know, Dan Morgan 206 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: had to go to his owner, David Temper to get 207 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: an approval of the trade, and they had apparently based 208 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: on what we saw on the phone, they had a 209 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: couple different versions of this trade. You know, whether it 210 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 2: was thirty nine or forty seven right, I think was 211 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 2: the Giants second second round pick, right, And how much 212 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: you would get with each one of those. And he 213 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: had to go check with David Tepper and turns out 214 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: being five hours, six hours. They're waiting, they're waiting, other 215 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: guys are getting signed, and it just shows you that. 216 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure the owner remembered when his GM came to 217 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: him and the trade deadline last year and said, hey, 218 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: this team offered us two ones. 219 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: For Brian Burns. 220 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: So you know what that owner's thinking now, Well, I 221 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: got an offer for two ones last year. That's what 222 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 2: I want to get now. So I'm sure that was 223 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: probably Honestly, put yourself in Dan Morgan's shoes, that was 224 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: probably a tough sell for Dan Morgan to his owner 225 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: that you're getting just this when last year the owner 226 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: knew that we got an offer of two ones for 227 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: the guy. I'm sure that was a tough sell for him, 228 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, Yeah, definitely. 229 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 3: But I mean, as you mentioned, I guess there's a 230 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 3: reason why Dan Morgan is the. 231 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: New GM in Carolina. 232 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, talk about what the Panther situation 233 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: was last year as much as you want, But two, First, 234 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: for Brian Burns last year, considering what they gave. 235 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Up, probably that was a deal that they should have taken. Oh, 236 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: he wasn't on the tag last year. 237 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: He's on the tag now right, true, But you know, 238 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: great for the Giants that it turned out how it did. 239 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: After the Giants now have Brian Burns paired with Kevon 240 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: Sibodeau Dexter Lawrence could end up being one of the 241 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: top pass rushing lines in the NFL. 242 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: I mean, that's certainly the hope. 243 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens, 244 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: So go to that retreat, knew you moves to the country. 245 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 246 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 4: you ready for all that? Life breaks? 247 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: Now? 248 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: And the Burns trade, even though it didn't happen first, 249 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: matt ended up kind of being a lynchpin to the 250 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 2: off season plan, right, just because that took up most 251 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: of the cap space, right and the way the Giants 252 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: were going about this, and you know, in the show. 253 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: This was in an interview with Joe Shane on the side. 254 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: He's like, look, we're sitting there and we're waiting to 255 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: say yes to this trade, and we're watching all these 256 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: other free agents get signed by other teams, and if 257 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: the Panther then trade him somewhere else or decide not 258 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: to do the trade at all. You're sitting there with 259 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: all this cap space. 260 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: David McKinney got traded, got signed by somebody else, right, 261 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: Sequon Barky's got signed by somebody else. 262 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: We'll talk about those guys too. You just don't love 263 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 2: to spend money on now. Christian Wilkins, I believe, if 264 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: I remember correctly, did get signed after the Burns trade. 265 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: He was later in the week, so they at his 266 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: name had been mentioned previously in the first couple episodes. 267 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: They could have always pivoted there if they wanted to 268 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: for another big money free agent. But you know, signing 269 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: Burns is what basically, and they said this to Shane Bowen, 270 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: if you get Burns, he ain't getting anybody else, Like, dude, 271 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: like that's it. And then they asked them, you know, 272 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: Shane Bowen's I love you hate to go. 273 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: He's like, Can I go in there? He's like, knock 274 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: on the door. Can I come in this? Even though 275 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: oh j H salng withb He's gonna just barge in 276 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: on the GM. 277 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: And they're like, all right, do you like Burns? 278 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I like Burns. 279 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: He's like, but that's it, Like it's always like you're 280 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: talking to your kid about this Christmas less He's like, 281 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: I want to PlayStation five and you're like, all right, 282 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: that's all you're getting, no kid, Like this could be 283 00:11:58,559 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: one president under that trade. 284 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: That's it. You ain't getting anything else? Are you sure? 285 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: I want the PlayStation buy? And that's basically what Bowen 286 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: was like for Brian Burns. 287 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely was, and I mean, honestly it makes sense. 288 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: I mean we've talked at length over the last couple 289 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: of months since the trade about how Brian Burns is 290 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: just a perfect fit for the Giants with Shane Bowen's defense. 291 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: So it doesn't surprise me at all that Shane Bowen 292 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 3: was fully willing to sign off on Brian Burns being 293 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: basically the only defensive acquisition at least for more than 294 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: you know, reportedly numbers of minimum or around the minimum 295 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: and That's basically what it ended up being when all 296 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: was said and done too. 297 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what it was. 298 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean clearly once Shane Bowen was brought in, 299 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: it was it was very obvious that ed rusher was 300 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: one of the top priorities for the Giants this offseason. 301 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: It wasn't I would say, probably not the number one priority, 302 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: which we'll get to right after this, but it was 303 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 3: clear that it was. 304 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: It was right up up there. I mean, there was. 305 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: One comment Joe made in tonight's EP, so it's saying, Okay, 306 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: if we don't get Burns at this point, we'll go 307 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 3: and turn towards the draft to try to get an 308 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: ed rusher. So it was clear that one way or 309 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: another they were adding someone to that position that they 310 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: felt could either be a starter or you know, big 311 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: rotation player right away. I don't know if they would have, 312 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 3: you know, considered an ed rusher with the six overall pick. 313 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: Probably not. Probably not. 314 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: As we saw the first defensive player didn't get selected 315 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: until it was it pick fifteen or thirty nine forty seven. 316 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: Though you want to go and move up that you 317 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: have to move up to get one of these guys. 318 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, that is true, but it was clear 319 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 3: that edge rusher was one of the top priorities. And 320 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: you know, we discussed before before coming to film this 321 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: the quote that Brian Dable said to well, Joe Shane 322 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 3: originally sent a text to Brian Dable, and then towards 323 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 3: the end of tonight's episode, Brian Dable, while on a 324 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: FaceTime with Joe Shane, I guess resent the texts back 325 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: to Joe to remind him, and it said protect the 326 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: quarterback and get after the quarterback. And clearly that was 327 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: the two biggest priorities of the offseason, and looking back, 328 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 3: that's exactly what they ended up doing. 329 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 2: Football season is coming and so was the next college semester. 330 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: If you need funding, a Citizen Student loan could help 331 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: you pay for one hundred percent of your school certified casts. 332 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: Get your great quote in about two minutes at citizensbank 333 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: dot com slash pay for college, Yes, one hundred percent. 334 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: And that ended up being what they did. And we 335 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: saw earlier in the episode. And I don't know how 336 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: close to free agency this conversation took place between Joe 337 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: Shane and Brian Dale, but they were sitting in Joe's office. 338 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: There were some music playing. 339 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: As Brian Davils spoke about it, the giant one hundred thing, 340 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: but they ended up incorporating it. The song actually made 341 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: sense with the show and they actually ended up using it. 342 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: Actually was I got to give the producers and editors 343 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: for films really well done there, guys. Is this when 344 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: the Beyonce song came on? No, it was the no One, 345 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: the whole no one to fold them right in the 346 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: beginning episode. 347 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: I guess they did it. They did it twice. Then 348 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: there were two different scenes where you could see like 349 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: Joe or Brian. 350 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: Put on a song. What was the one where where 351 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: like Joe turned it up. I thought that was a 352 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: no wind the hole, no wind to fold them? Or 353 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: am I remembering that wrong? 354 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: I just remember one of the songs being Beyonce's new 355 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: country hit song, Oh you know what? 356 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: You might be right? And then I think maybe they 357 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: transitioned from that into the no when to hold on 358 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: the one? I think you're right. 359 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, So they're talking about it and and Joe 360 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: tries to nail Dave's down. 361 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: He's like, look, if there's one thing. 362 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: That's your top priority in free agency, what would it 363 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: be and Dable seems to not him in hall but 364 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: think about it for a while and eventually says, look 365 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: offensive line. And we had seen the conversation between Joe 366 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: and his staff about it, I think in a previous episode, 367 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: and they kind of came down to the same thing too, right, 368 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: we got to protect a quarterback, yep. And the funny thing, 369 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: Matt is even though and we kind of talked about 370 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: that too right this offseason, that being the top priority 371 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: and we kind of assumed and I assumed that, Okay, 372 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: that means they're gonna aim for all these guys at 373 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: the top of the market. 374 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: If this top priority, you go after the best guys, right. Well, 375 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: the way the Giants had these guys. 376 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: Graded out maybe is not the way they eventually got 377 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: paid in for agency, right, Like they talked about a 378 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: couple times, they mentioned it that Illuminar was the top 379 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: guy on their list. Now, whether that they didn't specify 380 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: was that from their pro personnel guys, was there from 381 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: their coaches? 382 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: Was that from Brisillo? 383 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: They didn't put a name to that, but some evaluation 384 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: in the building had him as their most important guy 385 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: in the offensive line to get and they referred to 386 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: Illuminor as I believe that was Chris Rosetti that said 387 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 2: this in the conversation, He's going to be either our 388 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: starting left guard, which they already had him at a 389 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: left guard instead of right guard during this conversation, or 390 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: their starting right tackle. And we talked about, you know, 391 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: we talked about it what michaelwenu in that way heading 392 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: into the free agency, where you want a guy that 393 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: can be the backstop for Neil or be your starting guard. 394 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: And that's why I think Illuminar was so important to them. 395 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: And then they had Runnian and Robert Hunt kind of 396 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: on their card as the other I guess it would 397 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: be right guard in that case right and they had 398 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: Hunt from anywhere between thirteen and sixteen or thirteen and 399 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: fifteen million, and they had run in in that nine 400 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: to ten million area. Hunt ended up going for upwards 401 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: of twenty plus million dollars per year, which I think 402 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: a lot of people, a lot of people were surprised 403 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: by that. By the way, that wasn't just the Giants. 404 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 2: I think that was probably off of their scale in 405 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: terms of what they thought he was going to make, 406 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: and they ended up having to go a little bit 407 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: above the money that they had delineated for both Illuminoor 408 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: and Runyon. They talked about illuminoar the walkaway number being six. 409 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: They ended up going to seven because they had competition, 410 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: I believe they said, with the Cardinals for him and 411 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: then run in competition with the Jets. They had to 412 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: go over the top of the Jets up to ten 413 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: million or to get that neal done, according to the show. 414 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: So I thought it was very interesting that. 415 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: You know, those were the guys that were important to them, 416 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: and they asked Dave's like, you're good with Running He's like, yeah, 417 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: I'm good with Runyon. So it's the conversation and the 418 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 2: working together with the GM and the coaches along with 419 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: then his pro personnel staff to get the right guy 420 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: that not only guys at the scouts want, but also 421 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: guys that the coaches want and. 422 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Want to utilize. 423 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: And even though it wasn't two guys at the top 424 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: of the market, heck, run you an illumin Or are 425 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: made less combined than some of the highest paid offensive 426 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: linemen forre agency, right, but it was a priority to 427 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: protect the quarterback and they targeted those. 428 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: Those are two of the. 429 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: Three guys they had on their target list, at least 430 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: according to how the show was put together, and they 431 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: ended up with two of the three guys for right 432 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: close to the price range they won. Again, they maybe 433 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: went a little bit above to close the deal, but 434 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: to your point, for agency, the salary cap went up, 435 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: so they ended up getting to the three guys that 436 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: they really wanted. 437 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember if it was the first episode, 438 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: the second, or maybe both of them, but I feel 439 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: like those three players run in Illumindor and Hunt, you 440 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: know the design with the cards that they keep on 441 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 3: showing throughout Free Agency. Those three guys have been the 442 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 3: three offense lineman that the show has been sort of 443 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: highlighting as possibilities for the Giants since the first episode. 444 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 3: I believe it was the first episode, So clearly those 445 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: were three of the guys towards the top, if not 446 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: at the top of the giants wishless for the position. Now, 447 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 3: you're right that they gave those you know, dollar amounts. 448 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: You know, Hunt I believe was thirteen to fifteen running 449 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: I think was eight to nine, and Illuminar five to six. 450 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: But those numbers that they gave earlier in the show, 451 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: that was before they found out that the salary cap 452 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: was going to be higher than expected. With the salary 453 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 3: cap increase, I think at some point in the last episode, 454 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: Joe mentioned all of the numbers for the guys that 455 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: they had kind of earmarked. All of them were probably 456 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 3: not a lot of them were probably going to be 457 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: a little bit more than what they originally expected. 458 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: Everyone in the country should be familiar with inflation at 459 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: this point over the past few years. It's basically what 460 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: it is, right you guys. Inflation happens you have too 461 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 2: few goods and too much money to spend on the Well, 462 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: what happens when the cap goes up. You have more 463 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 2: money to spend, but there were fewer goods and services, 464 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: so the prices are going to go up. That's how 465 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: inflation works. 466 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But I mean, as you mentioned, they were 467 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 3: able to sign John Running and Dreamine Iluminor I believe 468 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: for less combind money than what Robert Hunt ended up getting, 469 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: absolutely by a couple million dollars less. A few other 470 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 3: interesting things I thought about those players. In particular, when 471 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: it came to John Running, the team that they were 472 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: competing against the most was the New York Jets, and 473 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: I believe they said that the Jets came in with 474 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 3: a two year deal I want to say for nine million. Yeah, 475 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 3: for eighteen million total, two years, eighteen million total, with 476 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: almost all of that guaranteed, seventeen of eighteen guaranteed, and 477 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 3: the Giants were able to get Running to come to 478 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: East Rutherford instead by offering him that third year. They 479 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: matched the guaranteed money that the Jets offered. They added 480 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 3: a third year and added the yearly average, it added 481 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: a little bit more to that, So it was I 482 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: believe it was three years and he's getting around ten 483 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 3: million per year. That's what it came out to. So 484 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 3: that's how they beat the Jets offer. And it was 485 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: just interesting that one of the front office executives mentioned 486 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 3: this at one point, that the Giants and. 487 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: Jets were in on a lot of the same free agents. 488 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: I think Brandon Brown might have said that one. Yeah, 489 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: just I mean, that was just, you know something interesting. 490 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: I feel like the last couple of years, even whether 491 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 3: it was the draft or free agency, the Giants have 492 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 3: had a lot of overlap with the Jets with the 493 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 3: players that they were targeting. Uh So that was interesting 494 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: to note. And then the other thing with Jermaine iluminor 495 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 3: was so they offered him the two year deal, and 496 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 3: they said that Arizona offered him a two year deal 497 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: for I believe it was two years six million a year. 498 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds right around that. I'm not sure if 499 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: they gave that actual number. 500 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 2: But then Ed Triggs, who's one of the salary cap guys, said, look, 501 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: if we go to this, we'll get them. 502 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. But what I thought was interesting was, I believe 503 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: was Joe said, how about we go to a third year, 504 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: and I believe it was Triggs said, he only wants 505 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: two years. He wants a two year deal. Yeah, he 506 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: did say that. 507 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: So I just thought that was interesting because an he 508 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 2: wanted more money in the first year than in the second. 509 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: He wanted more money up front in the first year 510 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: of the contract too. That was the other thing that 511 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: I think. 512 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, one and they mentioned I think that the second 513 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: year of Illumintor's contract has barely any or no guaranteed. 514 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: Money, correct. But I just thought it was interesting. 515 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: That, you know, a player like Luminoor, who kind of 516 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 3: has been somewhat of a journey man, hasn't gotten you know, 517 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: that big long term deal previously in his career that 518 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: he didn't want a three year deal. He wanted two years, 519 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 3: and then clearly he wants to be able to go 520 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: back on the market in two years from now, and 521 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 3: obviously the hope would then be to sign another larger 522 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 3: contract even that he just got. 523 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: But you hit it just. 524 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: When it came to running an illumina or I thought 525 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 3: this that was pretty noteworthy and interesting. 526 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought just generally, and then we'll get 527 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: to the rest of the offensive guys here. How you 528 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: saw Joshane utilize his staff clearly, I think you're seeing 529 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: kind of his top two lieutenants to McDonald and Brandon Brown, 530 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: we're in there with him a lot. Then you have 531 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: Chris Rosetti, who's obviously big with the pro he's their 532 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: pro personnel director, so he was in there for a 533 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 2: lot of the phragency stuff. Dennis Hickey, you haven't seen 534 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 2: him talk much yet. He was the white haired gentleman 535 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: with the glasses. He didn't say much here because he's 536 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: their college scouting guy. So he's in the meetings, but 537 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: he's not gonna unless he's asked, putting a lot of 538 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: two cents on the phragans and stuff that's not his expertise. 539 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: And then you have the salary cap guys who work 540 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: with the negotiations in the cap. That's Kevin Abrams, who's 541 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: been here for a very long time, does a great 542 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: job on the contracts and the salaries, and then Ed Triggs, 543 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: who works with Kevin. You could say that, look, Joe 544 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 2: basically tells those guys, here's what willing to offer. They'll 545 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: get on the line with the agent, talk it through, 546 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: and then they'll be told whether or not the deal 547 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: is done. 548 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: Then they'll go to Joe Shane and tell him. 549 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 2: So besides the Saquon Barkley direct negotiations with Ed Berry, 550 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 2: the Saquan's agent, which obviously that's a little bit more 551 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: fraught with things and how you handle it because of 552 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,959 Speaker 2: his star power. It's interesting how that staff comes together 553 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: to make those decisions. And then ownership's involved in that too, 554 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: with John coming down and basically giving his opinion, and 555 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 2: you know he cares about it from a football perspective, 556 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: but you know he is a bigger picture ownership perspective too. 557 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: What the fans think of these players, who's our most 558 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 2: popular player? 559 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: You know? 560 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: Kind of more of that almost more how fans think 561 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: about it in some ways, a big picture seeing everything, 562 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: not just the micro of the football stuff, and Joe 563 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 2: Shane takes his input, but as we saw in the show, Joe. 564 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 1: Shane's gonna do what he wants. 565 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 2: You know, John Marason, I'm gonna have a tough time 566 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: sleeping if Saquon Barkley signs with the Eagles. Well, John 567 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: Mara had a tough time sleeping because Saku Barkley ended 568 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: up sliding with the Eagles. So I thought it was 569 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 2: interesting seeing how everybody's input came in together. 570 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: But Joe Shane eventually made the decision. But he utilizes 571 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: all the skills and takes in all the opinions of 572 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: the people there, and then he eventually makes the final decision. 573 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like the last two years, since Joe 574 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 3: Shane and Brian Dable arrived in the building, there's been 575 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 3: a lot of talk about this collaborative effort, and you know, 576 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: we've seen it within the coaching staff and you know, 577 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 3: Brian Dieble, some of the coordinators position co which is 578 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: they've all discussed the collaborative approach that the coaching staff takes. 579 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: And we've also heard about the collaborative collaboration between the 580 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 3: front office and the coaching staff, and we've you know, 581 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: Joe and Brian, they both spoke about it at length 582 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 3: at various times over the last two plus years. How 583 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: they really work together, you know, have all these long, long, 584 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 3: in depth conversations before free agency, before the draft, and 585 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: that sort of communication obviously is what you need and 586 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: want to see from a front office and the coaching staff. 587 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: But we haven't really seen a collaborative effort within the 588 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 3: front office. Not that it hasn't been going on, we 589 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 3: just haven't really been given a chance or an opportunity 590 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 3: to actually see it. And this was the first time 591 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 3: that we did. I mean, Joe Shane could have negotiated 592 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 3: with John Runnion's agent himself, he could have negotiated with 593 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 3: Devin Singletary's agent himself, but instead he gave those duties 594 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 3: to some of his top guys below him and trusted 595 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: them to get the deal done. 596 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: And they did that on numerous occasions. 597 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 3: And so I just think it was interesting and sort 598 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 3: of I guess, refreshing to see that that collaboration that 599 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 3: we've been hearing about for two plus years now, really 600 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: it's going on all over the building from the front office, 601 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: within just the front office, within just the coaching staff, 602 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 3: and then between the two as well, no question about it, 603 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: and even our PR Maven Deondargi in the room for 604 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 3: some of those things. 605 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: Apparently the only big deals get made. Wins in the 606 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: room did a great job with that. Uh sorry, the 607 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: honest You love turf. 608 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 4: You're good at it, So you start a turf Fizz 609 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 4: business grows, your savings grow, become the most celebrated name 610 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 4: in turf. 611 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: Are you ready for all that? Life brings. 612 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: A couple of the guys on offense, and then we'll 613 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: talk about the guys that got away a little bit here. 614 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: Matt I thought the quarterback thing was interesting. I don't 615 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: think this had been. 616 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: Reported by anyone else before we got to this, by 617 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: any of the guys that covered the team. But Tyrod 618 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: was clearly the number one backup quarterback choice. They wanted 619 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: to bring him back. 620 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: They even increased their offer enough the Jets ended up 621 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: going over the top let them to nine million a year, 622 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 2: and the Giants just couldn't get there, which again, given 623 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: all the money that ended up giving Burns and by 624 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: the way, other thing with Burns too. They to make 625 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: sure he was good with the contract to sign before 626 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: you can even then make the trades. 627 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: That was the other part of that whole thing that 628 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: was interesting. 629 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: You have to talk to his agent first, make sure 630 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: he's good with the extension, before then you can try 631 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 2: to finalize the details of the trade with the Panthers. 632 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 2: But clearly Tyrod was their top choice and then they 633 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: had to pivot because they frankly didn't have a ton 634 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: of money. And Triggs had the line talking to I'm 635 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: guessing it was an agent on the phone or something 636 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: like that. Look, we're in Ile one right now and 637 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: that has a certain amount of price value on it. 638 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 2: We can't leave Iole one, So if one of your 639 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 2: guys wants to sign for Isle one money, we're here. 640 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: But otherwise we're kind of out of money here. 641 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: And I think to an extent the backup quarterback, though, 642 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: I think maybe they were Ile one slash too fit 643 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: into that. So once Tyrod left, they bring in Drew Lock. 644 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: And the other thing that I thought was pretty obvious 645 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: in all the conversations about both Tyrod and Drew Lock, 646 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 2: and even when they eventually made the deal, I forget 647 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: if it was Joe Shane that said it or Ed 648 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: Trigg said it to him we have our backup quarterback. 649 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: They said, yes, we have our backup quarterback backup. 650 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: So now we're gonna see next week. 651 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's gonna be talked about whether or not 652 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: you trade up for a quarterback, and that's a different conversation, right, 653 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: But for the matter of the phrasesey part of this, 654 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 2: they were looking to sign a backup quarterback. And again 655 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: maybe this is where the you know, there's the whole 656 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 2: report that John Schneider said Drew Lock left as he said, 657 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: you get a starting spot. Joe Shane did say, look, 658 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: we're gonna sell this to Drew Locke by saying, look, 659 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: you know, Tyrod just got a big raise from being 660 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: with us last year to this year when we were 661 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: in Buffalo. Who was the player Mitch Trubisky and getting 662 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: big raise after being in our system with us, right, 663 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: and you know, Daniel Jones is coming off and a 664 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 2: big acl. So jew Lock was gonna be the number 665 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: one quarterback through all the spring, which ended up being 666 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: the case. He was the number one quarterback for most 667 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: of the reps in the spring. So the bottom line 668 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: is that they were bringing a guy not to take 669 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: the starting job. They were bringing a guy to be 670 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: the backup quarterback, which I know there's been some debate 671 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: and conversations about that, but I thought, based on what 672 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: we saw in Hard Knocks, that really seems to be 673 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: what the case was here. 674 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I thought it was when it 675 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 3: comes to the quarterbacks, the veteran quarterbacks, the same thing 676 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: that I mentioned earlier at the offensive Lineman with running 677 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: hunting illuminer. 678 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: They kept on showing throughout. 679 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: This series, the first few episodes, the same kind of 680 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 3: group of quarterbacks. In terms of who the Giants could 681 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 3: be interested in the veteran backups. There was Tyrod of course, 682 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 3: which as we saw in tonight's episode, there clearly was 683 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: a lot of interest in bringing him back, but the 684 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 3: Jets just ended up offering, you know, a little bit 685 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: more money. There was Gardner Minshew, who they believed would 686 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 3: sign somewhere between ten to twenty million dollars, and he 687 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: ended up getting two years twenty five million from the 688 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: Las Vegas Raiders, with. 689 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: I believe fifteen million of that guaranteed. 690 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 3: So clearly, you know, that was more money than what 691 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 3: Tyrod got, So that was too pricey for what the 692 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: Giants were looking for. Because again we're talking a backup 693 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: quarterback here, So then it seemed like it was coming 694 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: down to either Drew Lock or Sam Darnold. 695 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: And they even mentioned Joe Flacco at some point too. 696 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 3: They did mention Joe, Yes, yes they did, but they 697 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: decided to go with Drew Lock, who they signed to 698 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 3: believe it was one year deal. 699 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: Did they say the money one year, four, four or 700 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: five somewhere in that area. Ye. Yeah, So they ended 701 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: up giving Drew. 702 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: Lock around and all these numbers on contracts, by the way, 703 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 2: are on official like just Jill fans understand that. 704 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 705 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: Uh, so Drew Locke ended up getting around the money 706 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 3: that they projected him to get. 707 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: Uh. 708 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: And they even they mentioned, you know, one of the 709 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: reasons why they were interested in Drew Lock, he's young, 710 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 3: he's got a strong arm, and they kind of mentioned 711 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: and you know, Hard Knocks showed the clip of that 712 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 3: game winning touchdown pass threw against the Eagles on Monday 713 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 3: Today Night Football. Yeah to Jackson Smith and Jigba in 714 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 3: the corner of the end zones. Absolute beautiful pass. 715 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: Uh. 716 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: And then they sure Drew in the draft room upstairs, 717 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: you know, signing his contract. One of our social media 718 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 3: team members. Christina Sinofsky made her appearance. Yeah that that 719 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 3: was cool to see, but yeah, I mean they were 720 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: interested in bringing in a veteran quarterback. 721 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: Joe made that very clear at the very. 722 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 3: Start of the off season when he said We're gonna 723 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: bring in some sort of veteran quarterback and then basically 724 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 3: we'll see about the draft, and that's exactly what he 725 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: ended up doing. 726 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm so waiting for Pierson to make his appearance. 727 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: Are Hard Knocks we have not had Pearson. Have you 728 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: seen yourself yet? Have you kept your eye open? 729 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: Have you seen him? Have you seen yourself in the 730 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: ed or No? No, But I think I am in 731 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: the top one hundred players thing this this week. Nice, Yes, 732 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: I did see you in that very good. 733 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: I've only spotted myself at Hard Knocks once. It was 734 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: that in the opening scene at Saquon's farewell press conference 735 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: at the end of the day in the wide shot, 736 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: I'm standing right there taking notes. 737 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: But I don't think. I don't think I've seen you 738 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: in it. I have not made it yet. 739 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: I have one, basically one hope, and it's probably gonna 740 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: be the last episode when they start showing some of 741 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: the spring practices. That practice that gas made the two 742 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 3: incredible touchdowns, Dan, we're standing right there. If they show 743 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: him it was right in front of us. That's that's 744 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: my main hope of making the show. 745 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 2: And I think I did see a big tan blur 746 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 2: in the corner of the screen ones. I think that 747 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: was the Tino sure though, running. 748 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 3: Stride for stride with Moleagu Nabors down the sideline, they 749 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 3: all right, two final topics. 750 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: I know we're going long, Pierce and I'm sorry, we're 751 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: wrapping up. I know. 752 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: Running back, they kind of down to Devin Singletary and 753 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: and DeAndre Swift. They I think they had Singletary a 754 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: five million and Swift at six. That's what they kind 755 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 2: of threw a. Brian Dable Swift end up going for 756 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: I think just over eight per year, three years, twenty four, 757 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: twenty four point four change, I think exactly. So they 758 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: end up getting Singletary exactly where they wanted them and 759 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 2: deb Brian Dable was good with that. 760 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: And then comes back to Saquon and. 761 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 2: Even Ny and I think we can you know, we've 762 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: seen the Saquon thing play out over three weeks where they. 763 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: Ended up just being too expensive. 764 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: I think they were willing to bring Saquon back got 765 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: a certain number, and even the number that the agent 766 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: ended up giving Joe Shane, and Joe Shane basically said 767 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: it that was gonna end up being he probably wasn't 768 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: gonna go to that high anyway, and he ended up 769 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: getting a little bit north of that even when he 770 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: finally signed with the Eagles, And I think generally speaking, 771 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: we saw what swift who got more too, And I 772 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: was surprised, I said this on Big Blue Kickoff when 773 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: free agency took place. The running backs this year, I 774 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: think went for more than what a lot of people thought, 775 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: and maybe that was because of the increased cap to 776 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 2: your point earlier, for whatever reason, a lot of these 777 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 2: running backs went for a little bit more than I 778 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 2: thought people thought they went earlier in the market, and 779 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 2: I think the Giants just prioritize someone like Brian Burns 780 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: for that amount of money rather than you know, spending 781 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: on Saquan and then McKinny. And you could see the 782 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: surprise kind of in Joe Shane's voice and the people 783 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 2: in the room when they found that McKinney got ended 784 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: up basically being the second highest paid safety in foot 785 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: ball after he signed that contract, maybe it was after 786 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 2: Minka and then maybe dates. 787 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: I think they said he was the number second, right, 788 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: I think you're right, but he was right around that 789 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: that that that number two spots. So they just did 790 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: they had to allocate. 791 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: We talked about the pie at the start of this episode, right, 792 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,919 Speaker 2: and they decided they'd rather take that money and pie 793 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: it out for Brian Burns than to in the offensive line. 794 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, which is also their priority. 795 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: Protect the quarterback, get after the quarterback, then a safety, 796 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: and the running back. 797 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what it came down to. 798 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and when it comes to the running backs, I 799 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 3: remember in the second episode Joe mentioned, you know, we're 800 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: gonna try to bring Saquon back, but if he doesn't, 801 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 3: I think there's some good value in sort of the 802 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 3: second wave of free agent running backs. And I think 803 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 3: he even mentioned Devin Singletary in that you know second wave. 804 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 3: After the big, big name guys that are signing for 805 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: you know, the top of the market value, then there's 806 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: that the next group, and Singletary was in that group. 807 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 3: The Giants did a agreeing to a deal with Devin 808 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: Singletary on the first day of free agency, and I 809 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: just thought it was interesting that despite signing early, they 810 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 3: still were able to get him for the same amount 811 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 3: of money that they projected him to go for. Yeah, 812 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: and it's not like they had to overpay or pay 813 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 3: more than they were expecting in order to lock him 814 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 3: down to the deal. 815 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: If I remember right swiftly, it might have been the 816 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: first player to sign in all of range. He was 817 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 2: the first guy, and he went to your point day one, 818 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: first guy, you're probably have to pay a premium for that, 819 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: which the Bears, Right, the Bears did, so you're right 820 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 2: to get on day one singletary that number. 821 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: I just a great deal. 822 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I know, I remember after you know, 823 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 3: I think it was last week's episode. I just I 824 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 3: saw some people on Twitter being like, oh, Joe said 825 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 3: he was going to wait until the second wave for 826 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 3: running back, and then he did into you attacked a 827 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 3: day one's because they were able to get the guy 828 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 3: they wanted for the exact money that they wanted. 829 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: They didn't have to overpay. 830 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 3: The whole point of waiting till the second wave is 831 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 3: to try to get value, and you know, get guys 832 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: for a little bit cheaper than they were hoping to 833 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,959 Speaker 3: sign for. But if you have a guy that's willing 834 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 3: to sign for exactly what you want to give him 835 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 3: right away, why risk waiting to try to, you know, 836 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 3: lower that number very very slightly and risk him potentially 837 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 3: signing with another team. 838 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: Especially since Swift, Pollard, Barkley, all those guys were gone 839 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: early on day one, so Derek Henry was still left. 840 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: I don't think the Giants were gonna go for an 841 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: older running back, so a lot of the running backs 842 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 2: were gone. So at that point, even though it was 843 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: the first day, it was almost like it was the 844 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: second wave already because all the top guys had been signed, 845 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 2: so you were into that second group already. And then 846 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: again just on Saquon, the whole thing, you know, didn't 847 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: make an offer. 848 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: Look, Saquon knew what the Giants were willing to pay him. 849 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 2: They would through a year of negotiations the year before, 850 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 2: Like the agent knew, Joe Shane knew what he was 851 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 2: gonna offer. They've exchanged numbers for a year on this, 852 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 2: So I didn't take that seriously. Saquon and the agent 853 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 2: didn't go back to the Giants and they gave him 854 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 2: a number to see if the Giants with Max Now 855 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 2: there was a lack of a commitment that the Giants 856 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 2: match he was coming. It wasn't like all right, you 857 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 2: passed this were here Joe made that point. There was 858 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 2: some hemin and hawn there and then just as for McKinney, 859 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 2: I think they thought he was a good player. It 860 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: just you know, didn't match for what they wanted to 861 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 2: do team building wise. So those are all my thoughts, Matt. 862 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,479 Speaker 2: Any other final thoughts before we say good bye here. 863 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: No, I think we just about covered all of it. 864 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: This just fun. Was it fun? I'm looking forward to 865 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: doing it again next week. Yeah, next Wednesday, folks, check 866 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: it out. Pierce is gonna be busy. 867 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: We want to make sure we work them to the 868 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 2: bone as soon as he's backlimification. A lot of podcasts 869 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: coming on the Giant Huddle feed the next two weeks. 870 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 2: Will be continuing with Big Blue Kickoff as well, so 871 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 2: make sure you check that out and don't forget. 872 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: Giants Total podcast was. 873 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 2: Brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the 874 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: New York Football Giants. Football season is coming, so is 875 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: the next college semester. If you need funding, a Citizen 876 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 2: student loan could help you pay for one hundred percent 877 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: of your school certified costs. 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Now moving forward to 886 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: the Giants organization, and if you haven't, folks, go back 887 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 2: check out our position series with all the offensive guys 888 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: and the defensive linemen. Really invaluable stuff from these players. 889 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 2: I think you and Dan are gonna write those up 890 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 2: at some point too to get them on the website. 891 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 2: So make sure you check those out on the Giants 892 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 2: Total podcast on your favorite podcast platform your search for 893 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 2: Giants Total podcast, I'm the Giants app. And for the 894 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 2: videos of all these podcasts, go check out the Giants 895 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 2: YouTube channel as well. 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