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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in.

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Speaker 2: Out number two Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 2: of you hanging out with us. Buck in the process

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Speaker 2: of moving into a new place in South Florida. He'll

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Speaker 2: be back with me on Monday, but for Friday, as

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Speaker 2: we roll into the weekend, he is engaged in the

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Speaker 2: moving process with his lovely wife Carrie, and I bet,

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Speaker 2: I'll bet, in fact, I know that he would much

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Speaker 2: rather be here because he was not excited about the

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Speaker 2: moving process. But he'll be back with us on Monday.

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Speaker 2: A lot to get into here in the next couple

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Speaker 2: hours of the program, but I wanted to hit you

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Speaker 2: with this news that's just dropped in the last twenty

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Speaker 2: some odd minutes. And this is a long running unsolved mystery,

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Speaker 2: murder mystery Las Vegas. I'm reading from the Associated Press.

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas police have made an arrest for the very

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Speaker 2: first time in the nineteen ninety six killing of rapper

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Speaker 2: Tupac Shakur. A person with and I'm reading from the AP.

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Speaker 2: A person with firsthand knowledge of the arrest told the

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Speaker 2: Associated Press Dwayne Davis was taken into custody Friday morning,

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Speaker 2: says Davis is the uncle of the suspected shooter. This

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Speaker 2: is according to the AP, and has long been linked

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Speaker 2: to the investigation. The arrest comes two months after Las

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Speaker 2: Vegas police searched a home tied to Davis. Tupac Shakur

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Speaker 2: just twenty five years old when he was gunned down

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Speaker 2: in a drive by shooting near the Las Vegas Strip

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Speaker 2: has now been twenty seven years ago. And if I

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Speaker 2: remember correctly, and I think I am right about this,

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Speaker 2: I think he was shot in the immediate aftermath. A

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Speaker 2: lot of you will remember this and staff correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong on the date here. I think he

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Speaker 2: was shot after the Mike Tyson of Vander H. Holy

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Speaker 2: Field ear biting fight. If you remember that crazy fight

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Speaker 2: back in the day when Mike Tyson spit out his

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Speaker 2: mouthpiece and bit Evander Holyfield's ear. I believe that happened

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six in Las Vegas, and Tupac Shakur

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Speaker 2: was shot in the aftermath of that fight. All the

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Speaker 2: celebrities were out to watch that boxing match. I think

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Speaker 2: I'm correct in that. I know it was in the

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Speaker 2: aftermath of a boxing match, I believe, but if the

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Speaker 2: staff can correct me on that.

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Speaker 1: But that is big news.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many of you are paying a

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Speaker 2: lot of attention to that story or were familiar with it,

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Speaker 2: But an unsolved murder, probably one of the most famous

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Speaker 2: unsolved murders in current American history, potentially someone being charged

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Speaker 2: with that crime. We got a couple of good calls

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Speaker 2: something that I think is important. Do you remember how

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden ended up the nominee in twenty twenty. There's

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Speaker 2: so much chaos that happened in twenty twenty, starting in

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Speaker 2: March when COVID shutdowns and everything else happened, that I

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Speaker 2: feel like a lot of the twenty twenty Democrat primary

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Speaker 2: race has been kind of ignored because so much attention

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Speaker 2: chaos associated with that. But I want to take you

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Speaker 2: back in time. I want to take you back in

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Speaker 2: time to the winter of twenty twenty, before Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: was the presumptive nominee.

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Speaker 1: He was getting smoked in the Democrat race.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden came in and the staff can also look

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Speaker 2: up on this. I think it was sixth in Iowa

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Speaker 2: just get beat he got slaughtered in both those places.

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Speaker 2: The two states where voters get to know the candidates

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Speaker 2: the best, where you have to travel around all ninety

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Speaker 2: different diners. In New Hampshire, where voters can legitimately say,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you'll see quotes like this. We'll say, hey, how

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Speaker 2: are you leaning Iowa? New Hampshire, And they can legitimately say,

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Speaker 2: in those states, if you're really politically active, I haven't

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Speaker 2: decided yet. I've only met the candidate a couple of

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Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute.

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Speaker 2: Most people, in our entire lives, we never get to

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Speaker 2: meet someone face to face. Whoever runs for president, right

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Speaker 2: they're three hundred and forty million, three hundred and thirty million,

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Speaker 2: whatever the heck it is. There are millions of you

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Speaker 2: listening right now. Most people, if you get to see

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Speaker 2: the president at some point in time, it's a really

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Speaker 2: big deal. I went to George Washington University every now

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Speaker 2: it was Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were the presidents.

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Speaker 2: If you just got to see the president drive by

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Speaker 2: it was a big deal. And I know a lot

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Speaker 2: of you out there listening they are like, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: big deal. I remember when I was a little kid,

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Speaker 2: I think it was nineteen eighty four or thereabouts, Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan came to Epcot down at Disney World. And this

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Speaker 2: was before Disney had lost its mind. I don't even

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Speaker 2: know that they would let Donald Trump go to Disney World.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I can't.

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Speaker 2: Believe I could say that, Like, if Donald Trump was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I want to go to Epcot and do a rally

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Speaker 2: Am I crazy?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: They wouldn't let him do it. I'm surprised they still

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Speaker 2: have him in the Hall of Presidents. So, but back then,

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Speaker 2: before Disney World had gone woke, before everybody had lost

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Speaker 2: their mind, Ronald Reagan president of the United States. He's

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Speaker 2: doing a speech at Epcot, and my mom's probably listening.

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Speaker 2: She can correct me if I'm wrong about this. I

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Speaker 2: think I was five years old. There was a huge

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Speaker 2: rope line. It is probably one hundred and eighty degrees

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Speaker 2: that day in Florida, because, believe it or not, even

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Speaker 2: before global warming, it was hot in Florida. It's one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty degrees. I'm in like knee socks, those

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Speaker 2: back in the day. They may be popular again. I

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Speaker 2: or five years old, and as a result, I'm able

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Speaker 2: to go all the way to the front rope line

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Speaker 2: at Epcot nineteen eighty four, and Ronald Reagan is going

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Speaker 2: to come by in the presidential limo and they have

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Speaker 2: a parade, and it's so hot that day that I

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Speaker 2: remember they had. I think it was majorrettes. Is it

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Speaker 2: a major at who twirls the batons? I think they're

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Speaker 2: still called major etes. Hopefully that's not offensive term. Now

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Speaker 2: they probably have, you know, trans baton twirlers now who

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Speaker 2: are really impressive. But back then, majorats girls they twirl

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Speaker 2: the baton. Major att is standing there. They're all standing

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Speaker 2: waiting for Ronald Reagan to come by. It's so hot

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Speaker 2: They have people coming around in these little with these

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Speaker 2: little paper cups. It's one hundred and eighty degrees. Everybody

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Speaker 2: remember how incredible that moment is. Even as a four

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Speaker 2: president say nothing of shake his hand, get a picture.

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Speaker 2: Getting to see the president is for most people an

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Speaker 2: incredible achievement in person your own eyes. The people who

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Speaker 2: saw Joe Biden the most in twenty twenty, voters in

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Speaker 2: Iowa and voters in New Hampshire, they put him in

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Speaker 2: fifth or sixth place. They said, we have seen this

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Speaker 2: guy so many times that there is no way that

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Speaker 2: this could ever be the president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: Don't dismiss What then happened Number one, Bernie Sanders. Do

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Speaker 2: you remember after New Hampshire what that looked like. Bernie

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Speaker 2: Sanders was in first place. Do you know who was

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Speaker 2: in second place? Mayor Pete was in second place, and

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Speaker 2: the Democrat power brokers just said, nah, h Bernie's gonna lose.

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Speaker 2: He's a socialist, Mayor Pete. There's no way people are

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Speaker 2: voting for him. He's a gay white dude. They won't

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Speaker 2: even talk about it in the Democrat Party. But the

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Speaker 2: reality is, black guys aren't voting for a gay white dude.

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Speaker 2: They won't even mention it. Black dudes aren't voting for

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Speaker 2: a gay white guy. Mayor Pete has a zero percent

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Speaker 2: I honestly mean this. I don't think it's possible that

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Speaker 2: from now, black dudes are going to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm okay voting for a gay white guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: They won't mention it, they won't explain it, but they

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Speaker 2: just said, yeah, he's not happening. Elizabeth Warren was too

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Speaker 2: old and also too much of a socialist. She was

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Speaker 2: kind of like Bernie, except with longer hair, and so

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Speaker 2: Pocahontas also with the major Native American connection. You would think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's got every Native American pow wow chow books,

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Speaker 1: she wrote everything. So they just said.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden is our guy, boom, and they made the choice.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I bring all this up is Democrats

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Speaker 2: play to win. That's all they care about. They are nasty,

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Speaker 2: you have to admire it. They just said, old socialist, Sorry, Bernie,

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Speaker 2: you're done. Gay white dude, you're done, old white guy.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, you're our choice. James Clyburn said, everybody, go

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Speaker 2: vote for him. They all went and voted for him.

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Speaker 1: It was over.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this in the wake of Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Who in the Republican Party has the balls to actually

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Speaker 2: why he's popular, right, But what the Republican Party should

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Speaker 2: actually do is say, Okay, Mike Pence, you're done. Chris Christy,

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Speaker 2: the nominee. Let's have an actual fistfight here between. There's

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Speaker 2: really three people, and we're gonna talk to Doug Bergham next.

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Speaker 2: And I thought he was great on the stage on

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Speaker 2: to be the nominee. I really like him. I like

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Speaker 2: the business background. I like the fact that he is

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Speaker 1: That's what I would like to see in a president.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he has any chance.

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Speaker 2: Democrats just wiped out their guys that didn't have any

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Speaker 2: chance and decided Joe Biden was the choice and they won.

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Speaker 2: Is anybody in the Republican Party going to make any

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Speaker 2: of these other dudes who have no chance drop out

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Speaker 2: and actually figure out who the nominee is going to be?

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Speaker 2: At this point in time, and my always humble opinion,

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Speaker 2: there are three people who could win the Republican nomination,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, who is the favorite, Ron DeSantis, and Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 2: Everybody else should be out of the race. Let those

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Speaker 2: three fight it out. Trump would still be the favorite,

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Speaker 2: but you need to end up with the best possible

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Speaker 1: Democrats, they do it. Republicans. It's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that don't actually make anything happen. And I just want

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Speaker 1: you to think about what Democrats did in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: to grab power, and think about what they're doing to

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Speaker 1: Trump now to try to grab power, and ask yourself this,

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Speaker 1: do Republicans actually want to win?

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Speaker 2: That is two. I bet that's the first time Tupac

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Speaker 2: They have arrested the potential murderer of Tupac and I

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Speaker 3: First of all, really really appreciate your show. It's one

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Speaker 3: But I just wanted to say thank you first of all,

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Speaker 2: and Buck eight hundred and seventy nine two thirty two

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Speaker 2: sixty nine. Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton show

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Speaker 2: Buck is out moving today.

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Speaker 1: He will be back with us on Monday.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by North Dakota Governor, who did really well,

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Speaker 2: I thought on the stage on Wednesday, Doug Bergham, Governor.

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Speaker 2: What has the reaction been from Wednesday's debate so far?

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Speaker 2: As you can tell.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, Clay, great to be on with you.

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Speaker 4: But while the reaction has been terrific, I think people

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Speaker 4: And then the second thing they're saying is, you know,

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Speaker 2: So before we get into Wednesday, the first debate, I

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Speaker 1: How, what's the what?

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Speaker 2: That was one of the most amazing things I thought

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you had.

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Speaker 2: Spent on running for election, but getting injured playing pickup

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Speaker 1: What happened there?

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I've played basketball my entire life,

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Speaker 4: going anyway, I've ended up blowing my achilles. It completely

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 4: It was named the best presidential debate performance ever by

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Speaker 2: So all on, what's your staff's reaction when you go

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Speaker 2: Was it non contact? I got to know how this happened.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, having played ball my whole life and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a great sport. But I three times

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Speaker 4: And I went down. I went down. I was trying

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Speaker 4: And they're like, no, you didn't, No, you didn't. You're okay,

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Speaker 4: And they're like, how do you know? I mean, because

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Speaker 4: And now when you have it and then it's national news,

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what it feels. It feels like a little

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Speaker 2: So here's what I love about what I have been

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Speaker 1: You have an incredible business background.

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Speaker 2: I still think a lot of our audience doesn't know you,

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you. Clag Quick story is, I grew up

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Speaker 4: Fabulous place to grow up. Every job I had working

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Speaker 4: at the farm, the ranch, the grain elevator, you know,

436
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Speaker 4: started a little construction company putting up steel bins with

437
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 4: buddies like when we were in high school, you know,

438
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Speaker 4: actually worked as a chimney sweep to pay my way

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Speaker 4: through North Scota State undergrad. All of that stuff was

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Speaker 4: jobs where I took a shower at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day. I mean, I understand what it is to

442
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Speaker 4: get up and work and work all day long in

443
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Speaker 4: you know, really some of the like some of the

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Speaker 4: jobs I had that the elevator should be on the

445
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Speaker 4: episode of World's Dirtiest Jobs. Anyway you do that, you

446
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Speaker 4: understand and appreciate what it's like to, you know, for

447
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Speaker 4: a paycheck. But I'm thirteen years old. My dad dies,

448
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Speaker 4: he's a World War two Navy. My mom had to

449
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Speaker 4: go back to work, widow, three kids. I know what

450
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Speaker 4: it's like to have economic insecurity and for somebody, a

451
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Speaker 4: single mom working to do that. Now pass forward. I'm

452
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Speaker 4: in my mid twenties and I got one hundred and

453
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Speaker 4: sixty acres of farm ground, which is in dry land

454
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Speaker 4: wheat farming. That's not enough to actually farm. You can't

455
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Speaker 4: be a farmer in Northcote. You need a thousand those days,

456
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Speaker 4: a thousand acres Now it's thousands to be able to

457
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Speaker 4: have an economic unit for dry land farming. But I

458
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Speaker 4: had that ground, and I had I'd seen my first

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Speaker 4: apple to computer, and I'm like, that's going to change

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Speaker 4: the world. So I literally took a mortgage out on

461
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Speaker 4: the farm. I bet the farmland I got for my dad,

462
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Speaker 4: which you'd never do. That's a giant no no, when

463
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Speaker 4: it's been you know, homesteaded and paid for you know you.

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Speaker 3: But I did it.

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Speaker 4: And that was the capital. You couldn't get venture capital

466
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Speaker 4: those days. No one had heard of a software company.

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Speaker 4: We started with less than ten people, and we just

468
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Speaker 4: built a two thousand person company. We had a great

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Speaker 4: run as a public company, got acquired for one point

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Speaker 4: one billion, and then I stayed there and then continued

471
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Speaker 4: to build that into even a much larger business as

472
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Speaker 4: part of a as part of a larger operation. So

473
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Speaker 4: I've had people working for me in one hundred and

474
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Speaker 4: twenty countries, customers all over the world, in some of

475
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Speaker 4: the largest you know, employees working for me in the

476
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Speaker 4: largest cities, places where you didn't have the team members,

477
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Speaker 4: didn't have the right to vote, they didn't have the

478
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Speaker 4: right to assemble, right to bear arms. I mean, you

479
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Speaker 4: build an appreciation for this country when you see what

480
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Speaker 4: the rest of the world is. But that having that

481
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Speaker 4: experience and then saying hey, I'm going to run for governor.

482
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Speaker 4: People said, oh, you can't win, You've never done it.

483
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Speaker 4: You're down fifty points in the poll. We ended up

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Speaker 4: winning in sixteen and in twenty twenty by over forty points,

485
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Speaker 4: largest margins of any governor races in the country in

486
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Speaker 4: those years. We won by because we just said, hey,

487
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Speaker 4: we're going to bring We're going to treat the taxpayer

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Speaker 4: like a customer. We're going to have a technology background,

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Speaker 4: how we're going to make government services more efficient and effective,

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Speaker 4: and we're going to serve everybody. We're not just working

491
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Speaker 4: for the party that elected us, because when you get elected,

492
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Speaker 4: we're in an executive branch. You work for everybody. Everybody

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Speaker 4: drives on the roads. When we have a blizzard in

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Speaker 4: North Dakota, which by the way, is the size of

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Speaker 4: all six New England states. When we have a blizzard,

496
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Speaker 4: we filed the roads for the Independence, the Democrats, the Republicans,

497
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Speaker 4: you name it. We're plowing the roads for everybody. And

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Speaker 4: that's what it is. For all the stuff our schools are,

499
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Speaker 4: you know, healthcare, all the stuff were involved in. I

500
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 4: don't know how this became so divisive and politicized, right,

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Speaker 4: do that in Congress put on a jersey, red jersey,

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Speaker 4: blue jersey, and you know, and throw bombs at each other.

503
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Speaker 4: But when the executive branch has got to be red,

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Speaker 4: white and blue, we got to We're doing it for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Joe Biden's going to be the Democrat nominee.

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Speaker 4: If he's alive, Yeah, he will be. I mean, I

507
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Speaker 4: think the only scenario in the possible world would be

508
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Speaker 4: somehow which is an impossible thing. So I think it's

509
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Speaker 4: near zero. But if somehow Donald Trump was not in

510
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Speaker 4: the race or just said hey, I'm going to you know,

511
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Speaker 4: take my billions and go, you know, retire, or do something.

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Speaker 4: If he said he was going to be out, they'd

513
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Speaker 4: be in a panic because the one thing that's holding

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Speaker 4: the Democrat Party together is our former president because they

515
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Speaker 4: use him for fundraising, they use him for getting out

516
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Speaker 4: the vote, they use them for you know, motivating their base.

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Speaker 4: And I think Biden doesn't exist without Trump in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four. I mean they would without Trump, I think,

519
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Speaker 4: you know there, because that's the one person that they

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Speaker 4: think they can be, that's they can he can be

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Speaker 4: the rallying cry for the Democrats to win. And so

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Speaker 4: it's it's just an interesting thing. But I'm not I'm

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Speaker 4: not a pundit. I'm not running to be a pundit.

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Speaker 4: I'm running to be president. I'm running against Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: And Joe Biden's policies on economy, energy, and national security

526
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Speaker 4: are completely one hundred percent, one hundred and eighty degrees

527
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Speaker 4: in the wrong direction. And that's why we've got this

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Speaker 4: high inflation and high interest rates. That's why we're you know, out,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're trying to kill the US energy industry

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Speaker 4: and we're empowering dictators, you know, buy ed batteries from China.

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Speaker 4: And then when you kill the US oil industry. I

532
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Speaker 4: guess we'll just buy all of our own gas from

533
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Speaker 4: Venezuela and h inn Opek because the demand for energy

534
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Speaker 4: globally is not going down. When you kill the US

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Speaker 4: energy industry, other people replace it. Russia, Venezuela, Opak, these

536
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Speaker 4: guys replaced that production. It makes the word they produce

537
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Speaker 4: it dirtier than we do. So these environmentalists that think

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Speaker 4: they're saving the world by driving an ev for shutting

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Speaker 4: down a pipeline in the US, all it does is

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Speaker 4: just diplace dismand displace demand. That demand comes from people

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Speaker 4: that don't have epas, that don't care about the environment

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Speaker 4: the way we do, and the world gets the world

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Speaker 4: environment becomes worse. And so that's why I say one

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Speaker 4: hundred and eighty degrees. If you cared about the environment,

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Speaker 4: you would be insisting that we build pipelines in the US,

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Speaker 4: that we use clean US energy, that we have every

547
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Speaker 4: drop and every electron made in our country, not someplace else.

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Speaker 4: And then of course we do that. That's how we

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Speaker 4: win the Cold War with China, because China imports ten

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Speaker 4: million barrels of oil a day. The one tool we

551
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Speaker 4: could use to win a Cold war with China is

552
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Speaker 4: food security and energy security, and our diplomats the four

553
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 4: cabinet leaders have been there don't even bring those two

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Speaker 4: topics up because they're too busy trying to regulate our

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Speaker 4: own country out of business.

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Speaker 1: I asked you about Biden.

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Speaker 2: You obviously would be running against him in theory if

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Speaker 2: you were there, But Donald Trump is a prohibitive favorite

559
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Speaker 2: right now, Why are you a better choice than Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that the real answer lies here in

561
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Speaker 4: having competition for the Republican Party, and the voters in

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Speaker 4: Iowa and New Hampshire are going to get to decide that.

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Speaker 4: When I look at the polls in New Hampshire and

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Speaker 4: I say, hey, if you've got the leader at forty

565
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Speaker 4: two percent, that means fifty eight percent of the people

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Speaker 4: today three months before they don't even have all There's

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Speaker 4: lots of new information, you know, people like you that

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Speaker 4: may not have heard of me two weeks ago. Everybody

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Speaker 4: in the country has all the information they can on

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump. You can't really add more information into it.

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Speaker 4: Every voter's already made up their mind. So between now

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Speaker 4: and January, those fifty eight percent of the people that

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Speaker 4: are looking around for alternatives that's a majority. You know,

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Speaker 4: ignore the national polls. There isn't campaigns happening nationally. They're

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Speaker 4: happening in Iowa and New Hampshire right now. That's the

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Speaker 4: real signal, not the noise. And and those folks are

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Speaker 4: looking and there's a lot of new information we can

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Speaker 4: put in to say, hey, here's someone, as you said,

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Speaker 4: that's got you know where I've been making payroll every

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Speaker 4: two weeks since my mid twenties. I've created more jobs

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Speaker 4: than all those other candidates that I was on the

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Speaker 4: stage on with the other night, and likely the former

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Speaker 4: president himself, with all the companies that I've involved with

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Speaker 4: in the job creation, and they're high paying jobs with

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Speaker 4: meaning is what I've been involved in the tech industry.

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Speaker 4: And now we're in a world where every job, every company,

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Speaker 4: and every industry is changing. We're in a cyber war

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Speaker 4: every day. Wouldn't be amazing to have someone in the

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Speaker 4: White House that actually understood what it meant to be

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Speaker 4: a working American and have somebody who understood the technology

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Speaker 4: of what it's going to take for us to improve

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Speaker 4: our military, secure our borders, in supercharge our economy. That

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Speaker 4: would be cool. And I hear that from all the time,

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Speaker 4: and people like, why don't we just get a common

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00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: guy to actually run who knows who's got high executive function,

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Speaker 4: has proven he can get it done at the state level.

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Speaker 4: And in North Dakota we've got the highest GDP of

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Speaker 4: any Republican led state. We're on track to have the

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Speaker 4: highest in the country. We've got among the highest education scores.

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Speaker 4: We aren't having the issues that folks are having in

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Speaker 4: some of these large cities. We understand borders three sixty

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Speaker 4: mile border with Canada, and I had software in nineteen

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Speaker 4: eighty nine. My software was getting stolen by China. Some

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Speaker 4: people discovered China, you know, in the last month. You

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Speaker 4: know what I've been saying for a long time, we're

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Speaker 4: in a cold war with China because they were stealing

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Speaker 4: my software thirty four years ago. And walked into a

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Speaker 4: street market in China and there was Great Plaine software

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Speaker 4: for a buck for a five and a quarter is

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Speaker 4: floppy in nineteen eighty nine, they've stolen trillions from us.

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Speaker 4: So someone who's got the experience I have and the

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Speaker 4: ability to mobilize great, high performing teams, you know, I

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Speaker 4: think it's an interesting thing. And voters are going to

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Speaker 4: get a chance to decide, and I went in Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: If they think that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: In January, he's Doug Burgham, Governor of North Dakota. If

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Speaker 2: people want to find out more, where should they go online.

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Speaker 4: Doug Burgham dot com.

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Speaker 1: Outstanding stuff. I appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 2: Good luck as this process continues to play self out, Governor.

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Speaker 4: Clay love to be back on. Thanks for letting me

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Speaker 4: run and introduce myself to your audience. But appreciate everything

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Speaker 4: you're Doingpreciate the opportunity to be on with you, and

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Speaker 4: thank you for those nice comments you made the other night.

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Speaker 4: Everybody in my family just wants me to say thank you. Clay.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope you think thank you for your family

627
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Speaker 2: for those kind words. And also good luck recovering on

628
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Speaker 2: that achilles. I mean that has to be crazy to

629
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Speaker 2: be traveling and working as hard as you can while

630
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Speaker 2: you're recovering simultaneously. And I hope you get back on

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Speaker 2: the basketball court soon.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you, And I do want to say if

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Speaker 4: anybody wants to have a contest and who's got the

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Speaker 4: strongest right leg. I'm ready to go right now after

635
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Speaker 4: five weeks on one leg, but we'll be back for sure. Well,

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Speaker 4: thank you, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No doubt.

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you I live here in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: You guys know that, and I love preserving memories. I

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Speaker 2: was just talking about going to Epcot seeing President Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan when I was four or five years old. My

642
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Speaker 2: mom said she texted me she was listening down on

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Speaker 2: the Florida Gulf Coast right now on the beach.

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Speaker 1: She said.

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Speaker 2: The way she kept track of me was she could

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Speaker 2: see my red little tennis shoes when I was all

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Speaker 2: the way up at the front of that rope line.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of pictures of me and those

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Speaker 2: old red tennis shoes from back in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Guys at Legacy Box, they have the largest collection of

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Speaker 2: and turn them into digital files. Ten years in business,

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Speaker 2: slash Clay. Welcome Back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show,

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Speaker 2: Doug Bergham. It's pretty good, huh. I do like the

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Speaker 2: idea of a guy who has had to make payroll

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Speaker 2: being involved at a high level in the United States governm.

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Speaker 2: I know Trump has done this too, But any of

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Speaker 2: you out there that have ever founded a small business

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Speaker 2: and had other people's paychecks reliant on your work know

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Speaker 2: a feeling that, frankly a lot of people don't. Where

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Speaker 2: you'll be laying in bed late at night and suddenly

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Speaker 2: I mean middle of the night. You're like, hey, I've

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Speaker 2: got it. I've The amount of hours that you end

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Speaker 2: up working if you own a small business that grows

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Speaker 2: into a larger business.

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Speaker 1: Is off the charts, and it.

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Speaker 2: Teaches you how to make sure that you're focusing on

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Speaker 2: the things that matter the most. And I just think

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Speaker 2: it's an incredibly valuable skill to have for anyone involved

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Speaker 2: in government, because so few people in government have any

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Speaker 2: clue where a paycheck comes from or how to run

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Speaker 2: a business for profit. To wish we only had people

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Speaker 2: who ran.

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Speaker 1: Business as for profit representing us in the United States government.

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Speaker 2: Because I think we'd have a lot better balance. We

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Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't be thirty three trillion dollars in debt. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you that much. Right now, we'll talk some about

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Speaker 2: this potential shutdown. I'll give you my take to start

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Speaker 2: off the next hour. We're also going to be joined

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Speaker 2: by Tommy Larin And speaking of business guys, how about

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk. The guy's got like twenty eight jobs and

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Speaker 2: he just decided that he needs to go down to

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Speaker 2: the border because where SpaceX is based. He's fired up

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Speaker 2: and frustrated about our government. We'll talk about that as well.

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Speaker 2: The borders a mess next