1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this week's edition of Fair Territory Winter 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Meetings Edition from my palatial suite at the oppery Land 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Hotel in Nashville. We are taping this show at six 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: o'clock Eastern on Sunday night, So everything I am about 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: to say could change conceivably, but I'm not anticipating anything 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: major happening tonight. Famous last words, that's when everything always 7 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: happens when you have that presumption. So we're gonna talk 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: about a lot of different things on the show today. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna start with five major stories that we'll be 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: tracking at the Winter Meetings, the five biggest things going on. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: At least in my opinion. People can agree or disagree. Obviously, 12 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: Numano Uno is sho he O Tani and the question 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: not only is when is he going to sign, but 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: of course where is he going to sign? And for 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: how much? The teams that seem to be at the 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: forefront of this are the Dodgers, Blue Jays and but 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: as I've said many times on this show, and I'll 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: say it again, with free agency, you never entirely know 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: what's going on. There's always things going on behind the scenes. 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's a mystery teine though there might be. 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything crazy is going on, but at 22 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: the same time, you just don't know. And the whole 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: thing with Otani from the beginning has been a lack 24 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: of awareness about his true desires. We hear he wants 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: to win, Okay, if he wants to win, he's not 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: going to the Blue Jays necessarily, He's not going to 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: the Cubs necessarily, He's going to the Dodgers. We hear 28 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: he has no geographic preference. We'll see. I'm sure he 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: has some feelings about the city he wants to play in. 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: All of these things remain unknown. Do I expect the 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: contract is going to be massive, yes, over five hundred million. 32 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Do I expect opt outs? Yes? Ultimately. Where this ends up, well, 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: we're going to find out in short order. And the 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: one thing that has kind of been in my mind 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: lately is this idea that O'tani knows most likely where 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: he wants to go, and he's directing his agent, nez 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Bilelo of Cia accordingly, and then Nesbulelo does the work. Now, 38 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: the agent's job is to get as much money as 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: possible in the place where Otani wants to go if 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Otani wants, just as an example, the Dodgers, well, they're 41 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: going to go as far as they can with the 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: other teams, and then he'll go to the Dodgers. So 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: that's show, Hey, Otani. Not a lot of information there, 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: I know, and people on Twitter saying tweet something. No, 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: we're not going to tweet anything until we know something. 46 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: Number two on this list, well, Juan Soto. Of course, 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: he has been the subject of trade talk with the Yankees, 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: with the Blue Jays as well. The Padres almost definitely 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: have to move him. I've written about this, We've talked 50 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: about this for weeks. It seems inevitable at this point. 51 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: And the question, of course is what can you get 52 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: for a player who is going to earn thirty million 53 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: plus in arbitration next year's final year of arbitration before 54 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: becoming a free agent. It's a difficult trade to pull 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: off and get good value back. The team that is 56 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: getting Sodo is getting that salary, they're taking on that salary, 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: and they're getting no assurance that they can keep him 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: because Soto, of course is represented by Scott Boris. Soto 59 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: turned down four hundred and forty million from the Nationals. 60 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: Some are of twenty two. That's what led to his 61 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: trade to the Padres. Soto is not going to sign 62 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: an extension with the team that acquires him, so I 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: do expect him to be moved. Don't know if it 64 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: will happen here. All of these things, Otani, Sodo will 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: get to Yamamoto shortly. They're all sort of linked together 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: because some of the same teams are overlapping in their 67 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: pursuits of these players. Once Otani goes, then a lot 68 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: will happen, but there's no timeline on that. There's no 69 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: deadline on that. Third on my list just mentioned him, 70 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: Yoshinobu Yamamoto. This guy is the bell of the ball 71 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: outside of Otani. Why we've talked about this. Twenty five 72 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: years old. He is a three time winner of the 73 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: Japanese Sawamura Award, which is their version of the cy 74 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: Young He is a three time MVP. He is a 75 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: little short. I know that shortened stature, but teams don't 76 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: seem too phazed by it. They're going crazy for him. 77 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: I wrote this week the initial expectation was two hundred million. 78 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: It sounds now like it might be a lot higher. 79 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: And then you add the posting fee onto that. So. 80 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: Yamamoto is a guy that we've heard link to the Giants, 81 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees, the Red Sox. Virtually 82 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: every team wants him because of his relative youth. Yamamoto, 83 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: I don't know that it will happen here. In fact, 84 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: it seems that it will take longer. It's not going 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: to take the entire forty five days of the posting process. 86 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: That should go smoother than that and quicker than that. 87 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: But whether it happens at the Winter beatings, that probably 88 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: is a long shot, all right. Next to my list 89 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: top five story lines, Yes, I'm gonna throw it out there. 90 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: The Yankee. The Yankees, to me, are in an unenviable 91 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: position here. Brian Cashman, their general manager, you might say 92 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: it's of his own making, can certainly make that case. 93 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: They've got a lot to do, and they're not necessarily 94 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: going to win in every pursuit that they go embark upon. Here, Soto. 95 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: We've seen that the Padres are asking for a lot, 96 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: at least according to reports, and the Yankees aren't willing 97 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: to necessarily meet the price for again, a one year guy. Yamamoto. 98 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: Fierce competition for him. Could the Yankees get involved for 99 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: other players? Cody Bellinger, the free agent, of course, would 100 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: be one. Sure they could, but they're not necessarily going 101 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: to win all of these pursuits. They need a center fielder, 102 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: they need a left fielder, they need starting pitching, probably 103 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: some bullpen help too. I don't know if they're going 104 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: to be able to get all of this done, and 105 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: the pressure on them is extreme, at least from their 106 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: fan base. Their fans are frustrated, as are a number 107 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: of fans in different cities Saint Louis, Toronto, San Francisco. 108 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of common right now around baseball, and it's 109 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: putting some of these organizations on tilt. The Yankees don't 110 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: necessarily operate on tilt, they certainly haven't under hal Steinbrenner. 111 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: But they've got to do some things and it's not 112 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: going to be easy to accomplish all that they need 113 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: to do. Finally, the one other thing I want to 114 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: discuss here in the first segment, trades of starting pitchers. 115 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,559 Speaker 1: Now you've heard all of the names. By this point, 116 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: Dylan sees two years of control with him, Corbyn Burns 117 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: one year of control, Tyler Glass now one year of 118 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: Control again. Will these happen here? I don't know. It 119 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: all again is tied together, but these are three pitchers 120 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: that will make a difference for the teams that they join, 121 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: no question about it. Cease runner up in the Cy 122 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: Young couple of years ago, Burns is a cy Young winner. 123 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: Bieber Shane Bieber another cy Young winner. These guys all 124 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: are rather accomplished, and Tyler Glass now doesn't necessarily have 125 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: the track record of some of the others, but he 126 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: is a very talented guy. The Rays need to cut payroll, 127 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: they're going to be active. So those are all of 128 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: the storylines that I've got in my head right now. 129 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: Some of the things I'm trying to follow along with 130 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: you guys. We'll just have to see how it all 131 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: plays out. Time Now for the Inside Dish. This is 132 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: the part of the show where I go inside a 133 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: story I've written, inside something I've done in the past, 134 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: inside a trend going on in the game. This week's 135 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: topic is obvious favorite Winter Meeting Stories. Now, I've been 136 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: coming to the Winter Meetings since I believe in nineteen 137 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: eighty seven was my first, and I remember chasing an 138 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: agent named Jim Turner in the halls of whatever hotel 139 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: it was that year, and the Ools were trying to 140 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: sign Franklin Stubbs. He was their big pursuit that year, 141 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: and Jim Turner said to me, there's a market forming 142 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and they're going to have to react. That was my 143 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: introduction to the Winter Meetings. Now, I've got a lot 144 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: of stories over the years, one of which the best 145 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: of which I am not going to tell today because 146 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: if I ever book, and I might not get time 147 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: to do that until I'm like ninety years old, by 148 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: which point I probably would have forgotten everything. But if 149 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: I ever do write a book, this story will be 150 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: chapter one because it is that good. I can tell 151 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: you that it involves the Albert Poohole signing by the Angels. 152 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: But that's all I'm going to say. There's a lot 153 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: more there to uncover in later times. Now, the three 154 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: stories I'm going to tell revolve around three Winter Meetings 155 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: that aren't necessarily recent. In fact, none of them took 156 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: place within the last ten years. Let's start with the 157 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,239 Speaker 1: two thousand Winter Meetings in Dallas. The lows Anatole Hotel, 158 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: one of the great spending orgies of all time in 159 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, That was the year Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, 160 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: Mike Hampton, Darren Dreyford and a number of others signed. 161 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: The money was flying, and let's look at some of 162 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: the deals. Even today, they are impressive numbers. Of course 163 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: they've been dwarfed. It's only almost a quarter century later. 164 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: A Rod went for ten years, two hundred and fifty 165 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: two million, Many Ramirez, eight years, one hundred and sixty million, 166 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: Mike Campton. At the moment he signed, that started the 167 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: winter meetings. This was the biggest deal, eight years, one 168 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one million, biggest deal in baseball history, 169 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: I believe at that point didn't last long. And then 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: Darren Dreyfer five years, fifty five million. What I remember 171 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: about the A Rod deal was, of course we were 172 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: all shocked by the number. But not long before it 173 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: came out and we reported it, I had seen Frank Wren, 174 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: who was then an assistant GM with the Braves, and 175 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken the Braves were involved in the bidding, 176 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: and Wren was walking into an elevator and he turned 177 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: around to me and he said ten times twenty four. 178 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: That would have been ten years, two hundred and forty million. 179 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: I could not believe the number, and of course the 180 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: number was even higher. The other thing I remember about 181 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: that Winter Meetings, the many Ramirez pursuit by both the 182 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: Indians at the time is what they were called, and 183 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: the Red Sox. The Indians were in this thing until 184 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: the end. And I remember calling John Hart, their general 185 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: manager at the time, and this was right before or 186 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: right as this was coming to a head, and I said, John, 187 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: I hear you on, Manny, I hear you still have 188 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: a chance. Oh no, we can't compute. This level of 189 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: Red Sox is gonna blow us out of the water. 190 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: He was not exactly telling the truth. Cleveland was right there. 191 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: Didn't get Manny, but they were there, and that kind 192 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: of comment by mister Hart, I have a long relationship 193 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: with it. We have a good relationship. That's typical Winter 194 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: Meetings subterfuge. So that was the two thousand Winter Meetings, again, 195 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: one of the great spending sprees in the game's history, 196 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: at least relative to the times that were taking place 197 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: the next one two thousand and seven, And this was 198 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories that I've broken. This was 199 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: the age before Twitter, so there's none of this social 200 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: media stuff. Going on. To break a story, you had 201 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: to get it on your website, and then obviously you 202 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: had to have people see it. I was working for 203 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: Fox sports dot Com at the time, and I got 204 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: wind of a possible trade between the Tigers and Marlins. Yes, 205 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: it was the Miguel Cabrera trade, and I got all 206 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: the names. Actually pretty much. The trade turned out to 207 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: be Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers for 208 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: Andrew Miller, Cameron Mabon, and for prospects. At the time, 209 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: Andrew Miller and Cameron mabn were prospects and really big 210 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: time prospects. The Tigers were getting, of course, Miguel Cabrera, 211 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: who was one of the great stars of the game, 212 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: and Dontrelle was still Dontrelle back then. So this was 213 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: a monstrous trade and it was very exciting to get 214 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: that one out there. And I remember this vividly. The 215 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: Detroit writers were in the media room and they were 216 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: kind of just relaxing, kitting around with each other. It 217 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: was Jp Morossi, my later colleague at Fox sports dot Com, 218 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: Danny Knobler, who now runs a bar in Thailand. Great guy, 219 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: great reporter, and I believe Tom Gage from the Detroit 220 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: Great News. I'm not exactly sure my memory is correct there, 221 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: but those guys were messing around, just not doing anything bad. 222 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: They were just kind of having fun. And I was thinking, 223 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: as we were waiting for the story to publish, Oh, man, wait, 224 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: let these guys see this. That was a pretty good one. 225 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: That was a big trade, kind of classic winter meetings 226 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: trade that we don't see much of anymore then twenty twelve. Now, 227 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: this is a great story. By this point, John Morossi 228 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: and I were working together at Fox Sports dot Com 229 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: and we caught wind of a potential three way trade 230 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: between the Diamondbacks, the Rangers, and the Rays. The way 231 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: it worked, the Rangers wanted Justin Upton, the Diamondbacks wanted 232 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: James Shields, and Tampa Bay as always back then, wanted prospects. Now, 233 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: this trade never came to fruition, but the stories from 234 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: the negotiations are legendary. Evan Granted, The Dallas Morning News 235 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: wrote about this at one point a few years back. 236 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: So that night it was basically an all nighter. Those 237 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: three teams were all together in one of the suites, 238 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: and we knew this. John and I knew this, so 239 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: at about I don't know one in the morning, I 240 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: went to sleep and John stayed up until maybe six AM. 241 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: When I came back out. I was gonna do hot 242 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: stove for MLB Network, and I was ready again at 243 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: that point to report and do my job. So all right, 244 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: it's an all nighter, that's one thing. But what happened 245 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: in the suite is really what makes this legendary. Kirk Gibson, 246 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: who was then the Diamondbacks manager head buddied and put 247 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: it a chokehold John Daniels, who was then the Rangers 248 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: general manager President of Baseball Operations. I'm not sure what 249 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: the title was. Then these guys had been perhaps drinking 250 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: a little and they kind of got into it. Now, 251 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: nobody got hurt. It was more fun than anything. I 252 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: think Gibson was trying to possibly intimidate John Daniels a 253 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: little bit. Andrew Friedman was involved, Kevin Towers, the great 254 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: great general manager, the DIAMONDBACKX Padres. They were all just 255 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: having a wild time. Now. This all came out later, 256 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: but what I remember most about that was I get 257 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: to the lobby. I don't know, it's seven, seven thirty 258 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: am something along those lines because again getting ready for 259 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: hot stove and Kevin Towers, who I knew had been 260 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: up all night. I knew it. He comes strolling through 261 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: the lobby looking like he had slept twelve hours. Kat 262 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: as we called him, was an absolute legend. And he 263 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: could do that. He could drink, he could stay up 264 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: all night, and he can make trades, and he'd come 265 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: out the next morning as if nothing ever happened. He 266 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: was one of my all time favorite people. He's a 267 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: guy who made the Winter Meetings great and we miss 268 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: him so dearly. But that story, the ruckus frolicking that 269 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: was going on in that suite as these guys were 270 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: trying to negotiate a trade that never happened. That's one 271 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: of my all time favorite Winter Meeting stories. All Right, 272 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: here we go with the dude and dork of the 273 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: week due to the week. He's nineteen years old, he 274 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: has yet to play a single game in the major leagues, 275 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: and he is about to sign a contract for eighty 276 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: two million dollars. I'm talking, of course, about Jackson Churio, 277 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: and people can debate the wisdom of this deal from 278 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: the brewer's perspective. Taking a gamble on a kid who's 279 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: never played in the majors. From Cheerio's perspective, I wrote 280 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: about this on Sunday, how obviously by waiting he could 281 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: have gotten the numbers up even higher. If he had 282 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: just established himself as a major leaguer, if he'd gone 283 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: year to year, the numbers could have been even higher. 284 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: Juan Soto has done pretty well in arbitration as a 285 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: super two player. Eighty million dollars plus in arbitration is 286 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: what he's going to end up with. That's before becoming 287 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: a free agent entering his age twenty six season. Cheerio, though, 288 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: wanted the security. He wanted the assurance of the money. 289 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: And you cannot blame any player in my opinion for this. 290 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: I always think of if it was my son, what 291 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: would I say? And I know that, yes, there's not 292 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: that much risk waiting from going year to year, But 293 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: when they throw that kind of guarantee at you when 294 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: you grew up in Maracaibo, ven as well a probably 295 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: dreaming of playing in the major leagues one and making 296 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: a great living for your family too, that's a hard 297 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: thing to turn down. So Jackson Curio, we look forward 298 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: to seeing you play. Congratulations of the contract, and you 299 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: are our dude of the week, dork of the week. 300 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: I was actually going to have some fun with some 301 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: of my colleagues this week two, in particular the Wall 302 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: Street journals Lindsay Adler and Sports Illustrated Stephanie Epstein. They 303 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: both pursued stories regarding Otani's dog this week. Now they 304 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: wrote bigger stories about Otani, but both were trying to 305 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: find out the name of his dog, and they both failed. 306 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: I was going to name them dorks of the week, 307 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: but kind of in a friendly way. But no. On 308 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: Sunday morning, I learned that the Angels had gotten under 309 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: the luxury tax threshold, something they had desperately tried to 310 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: do by putting half the team on waivers on August thirty. First, well, 311 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: it turns out that they did get under the luxury 312 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: tax threshold. So you might think, well, who's the dork 313 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: of the week. Then why would you venture into this 314 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: territory with the Angels? ARTI moreno is the dork of 315 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: the week. And yes, congratulations to Ardie for getting under 316 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: the luxury tax threshold. It's going to give them a 317 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: better draft pick should they lose Otani, which we all 318 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: expect that they will. They'll get a pick after the 319 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: second round because they don't exceed the luxury tax, as 320 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: opposed to a pick after the fourth. But the reason 321 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: Artie Moreno is dork of the week because of all 322 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the shenanigans that took place to get the Angels to 323 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: this point. They loaded up at the deadline seemingly we're 324 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: going to go well over the luxury tax, and then 325 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: they dumped all those guys, five of them. It turned 326 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: out five players lost on waivers on August thirty, first 327 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: for giving their fans whiplash and for what they traded 328 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: two prospects. Debate how good they are for Lucas Giliedo 329 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: and Ronaldo Lopez, they wave them a month later. Congratulations, 330 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: you got under the luxury tax threshold. That's fantastic for 331 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: the Angels, I guess. But Ardi Moreno, the way you've 332 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: run your team, you're a repeat winner of this award, 333 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: and if things don't get better in Anaheim some point soon, 334 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: I trust that you're going to win this award again. 335 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: Time now for Brill and Ken, let's get to your questions. 336 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: The first one comes from extend Jansen. Already I'm not 337 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: sure if he's talking about Danny Jansen or Kenley Jansen. 338 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: But it may be Danny because the tagline is at 339 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: Blue Jay scouting. That's the idea of the Twitter account. 340 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: The question is what are the Dodgers doing at the 341 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: shortstop position for next year? As of right now, it's 342 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: Gavin Lux. Gavin looks of course coming off the surgery 343 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: you missed all of last year. If you're blowing out 344 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: his knee, he could be the shortstop. But there are 345 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: still people who believe that they're not ideally positioned. If 346 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna play Lux at short and Max Bontsei at third, 347 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: that defensively that could be a problem. So it's possible 348 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: that the Dodgers will upgrade at shortstop. Obviously, their priority 349 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: is finding starting pitching right now. They're in on Otani 350 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: as we all know. But could they get the short 351 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: stuff eventually? Yes, it would enable them to play Lucks 352 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: at second, keep Mooky in the outfield. They wouldn't have 353 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: to get another outfielder. There are a number of ways 354 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: they can go, but I am not sure, actually I'm 355 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: not certain at all that they're wedded to Gavin Lux 356 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: at short all. Right on to the next question. It 357 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: comes from Hillel armbarn Creef. He asked, why does it 358 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: seem like the Padres are going to get a solid 359 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: return for Sodo. He's basically in the same spot as 360 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: Betts was before he was traded, with one year left, 361 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: with one caveat. He's not going to sign an extension. 362 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: The Red Sox got next to nothing back. Why is 363 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: this different? Excellent questions, Hillel. And let's go back to 364 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: the Bets trade for a second. Remember it wasn't just 365 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: Mookie Bets that went to the Dodgers. It was David 366 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: Price along with half of the money that was ode Price. 367 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: It was forty eight million out of the ninety six 368 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: million he was at the time. So because the Dodgers 369 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: were taking on all that money with Price, that depressed 370 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: the return that went back to Boston. Remember it was 371 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: Alex Ferdugo, Jeter Downs, and Connor Wong who has become 372 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: a decent catcher for them, and for Dugo has been 373 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: an okay player, no question about that. But man, it 374 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: was Mookie Betts. We all know it wasn't a great 375 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: trade for the Red Sox. So how does Soto compare? Well, 376 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: it could actually compare if indeed the Padres attached Trent 377 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: Grisham to the deal along with Soda. Now Grisham's not 378 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 1: making nearly what price was, but the more money that 379 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: the team acquiring Soda is taking on. Remember it's thirty 380 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: million dollars plus with Sodo than plus Grisham. If that's 381 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: the way it turns out, the less the return is 382 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: going to be. And you're right, without the possibility of 383 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: an extension, it makes it even more difficult for the 384 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: team acquiring Sodo to give up a ton. Now, with Betts, 385 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: there was the possibility an extension, but most people thought 386 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: at the time he was going to go become a 387 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: free agent. The pandemic kind of changed things. I think 388 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: maybe Mooki got a little antsy, and of course he 389 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: got a great deal, so why not sign it. But 390 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: the question that you ask, how can the Padres get 391 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: a strong return for Soto is a good one. They're 392 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: not getting all the Yankees prospects, all the Blue Jays prospects. 393 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: They're going to get probably some quality people in return, 394 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: but because of the circumstances, it's not going to be 395 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: nearly what they gave up in the deal with the Nationals. 396 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: The next question comes from the photographer who asks what's 397 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: your favorite food you look forward to while traveling for MLB. 398 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: This is a good question. I had to think about 399 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: it a little bit, but Deep Dish Pizza in Chicago 400 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite things in the world. Now, 401 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: It's not something I can eat multiple times on I'm 402 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: in Chicago. I'll eat it once and then probably not 403 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: get a whole lot the next day. But I'm a 404 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: fan of Deep Dish Pizza. Obviously, the foods in a 405 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: lot of cities is great San Francisco and particular New York. 406 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: I can go on and on, but let's go with 407 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: Deep Dish Pizza. Winter meetings this week when there is news, 408 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: Foul Territory will be all over it and I'll be 409 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: joining them from time to time as well. I want 410 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: to thank everyone for listening for watching. 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