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Speaker 1: Welcome to the wired to hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome to the wire to hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your guest host, Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking to

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Speaker 1: Nathan Murnach, who is not only one of the best

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Speaker 1: white tail hunters I know, but also the CE OF

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Speaker 1: BASE Camp Lisa. All Right, folks, welcome to the wire

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Speaker 1: to hunt podcast, which is brought to you by first light.

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Speaker 1: You've probably figured out that this is not the voice

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Speaker 1: of Mark Kenyon. Mark was actually supposed to record an

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Speaker 1: episode this week, but he got a lead on a

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Speaker 1: vintage Jurassic Park try Sarah tops toy and he is

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Speaker 1: on a mission to buy it to complete his collection. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know you might think this is a joke, but

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Speaker 1: it's actually not. Mark had an unfortunate incident in third

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Speaker 1: grade where he didn't get that toy for Christmas and

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Speaker 1: it has haunted him ever since. Feel free to ask

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Speaker 1: him about it. This is all true. So anyway, hopefully

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Speaker 1: he'll get that squared away so he can come back

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Speaker 1: and do his job, but for now you have me.

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Speaker 1: So all right. We've listened to Andy May, Mike Stroff

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Speaker 1: and Zach Ferrenbaugh the last three weeks talk about big

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Speaker 1: bucks and how we often give them too much credit.

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Speaker 1: Today I'm wrapping up this rabbits with Antler's month with

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Speaker 1: a guy named Nathan Murnach who is an absolute white

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Speaker 1: tail killer. Murnach started out as a police officer before

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Speaker 1: joining Cabella's for a decade, and now he works as

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Speaker 1: the CEO of Base Camp Leasing, which is a service

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Speaker 1: that facilitates leasing opportunities for white tails across the country,

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Speaker 1: but also handles real estate for folks who are looking

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Speaker 1: to buy their own dear ground. This is a really

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Speaker 1: interesting perspective we don't off and hear from on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, not only does Nathan offer up

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Speaker 1: plenty of good information on how to get yourself onto

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Speaker 1: some solid deer ground, but also how to hunt it correctly,

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Speaker 1: whether you're really on premo dirt or on public land.

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Speaker 1: I had a blast talking to him and I think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna love what he has to say. Nate, how

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Speaker 1: you doing, buddy? I'm doing real good, Tony, real good.

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Speaker 1: It is a pleasure to get to speak with you. Man.

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Speaker 1: We haven't we haven't connected in a while. I miss you, Buddy.

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Speaker 1: I miss you too, man. We had some good times,

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Speaker 1: didn't we? We did we. Uh, we chased some turkeys

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Speaker 1: down there in Missouri a few years ago and uh,

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Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about deer and I actually I

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Speaker 1: met you working on a book for Tom Miranda a

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Speaker 1: million years ago and we just hit it off and

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Speaker 1: I just remember thinking, you know, this is this is

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Speaker 1: a dude that understands white tales. I could talking to

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Speaker 1: you and then getting to getting to spend some time

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Speaker 1: with you on your property in Missouri. They're just seeing

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Speaker 1: how you had it set up and here in your

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Speaker 1: stories about hunting there for yourself and with your daughters.

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Speaker 1: It was like this guy, he just gets it. Like

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Speaker 1: there's there's certain people you meet who you can just

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Speaker 1: tell understand white tales on a really deep level, and

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Speaker 1: I put you in that category. Man. Oh that's that's

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Speaker 1: a humbling, humbling statement to hear, I can tell you,

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Speaker 1: especially coming from me, Tony. I really appreciate that. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you and wrap up this

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Speaker 1: rabbits with Antler's month, because you you come at this

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Speaker 1: from a different perspective. You know, we had Andy and

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Speaker 1: on talking about his perspective as an outfitter. But you're

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Speaker 1: a guy who started out at Cabella's and now you

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Speaker 1: you you kind of work in this space of buying

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Speaker 1: imagine that's just burning so hot right now. It is,

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Speaker 1: absolutely has been. It hasn't slowed down in at least

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Speaker 1: but in the last two years, with all the distry

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Speaker 1: actions we've had out there, the demand's only gotten higher

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Speaker 1: if we've got a good property out there, it does

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Speaker 1: not last long. Yeah, I bet, I bet. I want

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Speaker 1: And boy, I'd see these big bucks be pulling in

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Speaker 1: all those successful hunters and I thought, well, this area

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Speaker 1: tell you it was. The eighty acres was the first

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Speaker 1: It came down to all about access on how that

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Speaker 1: pressure on that property. Yeah, so you you kind of

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Speaker 1: a little facetious, but it really seems like there are

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Speaker 1: It's it's different, you know, the season structure and some

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Speaker 1: I tried to meet the neighbors and and understand, you know,

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Speaker 1: have management practices in place? All those things factored into

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Speaker 1: you is as important as what you're doing. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: how did you manage to do that though? How did

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Speaker 1: to to end up meeting the neighbors? I did, and actually, Um,

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Speaker 1: then I found where he stayed around there when he

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Speaker 1: and before too long, Tony, I can tell you we

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Speaker 1: but he understood how, you know, I would approach that

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Speaker 1: you know, UN needed pressure on that property as well. Sure,

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Speaker 1: inherited a ton of money to buy that land. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: boy it took me some time. You know, I went

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Speaker 1: He told me because I met this this friend of

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Speaker 1: me after he bought this property, he bought ninety acres there.

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Speaker 1: He said when he got his first job, which he

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Speaker 1: and that his future kids would have a place to hunt.

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Speaker 1: And it took him, you know, twenty years to get there,

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Speaker 1: or the former corporate office of Cabella's, you can see

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Speaker 1: as a family. You know me and my daughters, and

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Speaker 1: to watch somebody who hasn't seen a million year off

430
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: a tree standard from a ground blind. All of a

431
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 1: sudden deer walks in and you can hear their breath

432
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: just like you know, the breathing gets more excited and

433
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 1: it's just like it's so freaking cool on you can

434
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: feed on that for the rest of the year too.

435
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's those haunts are are probably the

436
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: haunts I look forward to them most. Yeah, you think, uh,

437
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: and I think that's I think that's an interesting thing

438
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: for a guy like you to say, because you've hunted

439
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff and spent a good portion

440
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: of your life, you know, kind of chasing those those

441
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: hunting adventures out there, and to hear that is it's

442
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: interesting because I think a lot of people would look

443
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: at you, know, your history and some of the some

444
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: of the different, you know, phases of your hunting career

445
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: and go that's that's got to be the best. Like

446
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: if you're traveling all over and you're chasing that dream

447
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: mckillan and Antler buck in every state, or you're drawing

448
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: a mountain goat tag somewhere, like I think a lot

449
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: of people woul look at that and go you're not

450
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: going to top that moment. Man, like that's the best.

451
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: But it changes. There's there's it's different, yes, and all

452
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: of those things, you know, pale in comparison to sitting

453
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: there with your child and watching things happen the way

454
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: you you prayed and wish they would happen, and just

455
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 1: to see them go through those experiences. You really of

456
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: it because you know when we were going through our

457
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: first experiences, we we felt the same way and you

458
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: can relate to it and that bond, after they've been

459
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: through that, that bond with your your child out there

460
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: just continues to grow and and strengthen because you can

461
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: see the same appreciation you had when you had those

462
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: experiences in your own child and what they're going through and, Um,

463
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: there's just there's nothing better I'll take a white tailed

464
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: deer hunt with my kid or a Turkey hunt with

465
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: my kid any day over what I believe is the

466
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: pinnacle of what I've ever done, which is the mountain

467
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: goat hunt in Idaho. Do you do you worry with

468
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: your daughters, because I know you know, starting where you

469
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: started in northern Minnesota, I know they're hunting is a

470
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: hell of a lot easier and probably more productive. Do

471
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: you worry about that at all? Because I think about

472
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: that with my daughters a lot, you know, like my

473
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: girls put in a couple of days and their first

474
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: year and it took me four full seasons to kill

475
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: my first year and I'm like, am I making this

476
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: too easy for them? You know, I think a lot

477
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: of things have changed though Tony too, if you look

478
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: at the management practices and just pure you know, deer

479
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: numbers out there. Um, you know, I could probably take

480
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: them back to northern Minnesota and have a much better chance,

481
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: but I do get get what you're saying. Are they?

482
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: I think there are some folks out there that, you know,

483
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: it's the third year hunting and they've already killed, you know,

484
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: three bucks over, one fifties and one sixties. And that's

485
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: a little bit different. But yeah, I think so. I

486
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: can relate to what you're saying there. Yeah, I mean

487
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's a little bit of a balancing

488
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: act because you don't want it so easy that they

489
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: don't appreciate it, but you don't want it so hard

490
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: that they hate it. Right. Let me ask you this

491
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: because I get I get hit up for this all

492
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: the time. Uh, do you feel like, did you feel

493
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: any differently when you're so you have daughters that you

494
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: got into hunting? Did you kind of have to recalibrate

495
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: yourself a little bit taking girls out versus what you

496
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: might think you would have to do taking boys out?

497
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: Because I know, man, I've got buddies who have boys

498
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: and some of them are just your typical give me

499
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: a BB gun, I'm gonna kill everything. Give me a

500
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: pellet gun, I'm gonna kill everything like there's a there's

501
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: a blood lust in them, and at least my experience

502
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: with my daughters is like there's not, there's not that

503
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: same kind of blood lust, but there is like a

504
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: real competitive nature to them and there is like a

505
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: desire to just see animals and and be out there right. Yeah,

506
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: that I thought that the biggest difference from when I

507
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: was grown up in the experiences I had and how

508
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: I felt, you know, out there hunting. I could definitely

509
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: see with my daughters I had to be more articulate

510
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: about what their experience and how they would feel before

511
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: they even felt it. Um and, and I got it

512
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: from taking my oldest out. Oh, Tony, you sat in

513
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: that food plot with me in Missouri. We had a dandy,

514
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: Dandy Buck come out and I had trained her so

515
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: well that we would not take a quartering two shot

516
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: at all. And knowing the the the rifles she was

517
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: using at that time, when this buck stepped out, it

518
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: was a no brainer. Yes, it was quartering to a

519
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: smidge in, but I could not convince her to pull

520
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: the trigger, to put those crosses where they needed to be,

521
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: because it was broadside or nothing right. Um and she

522
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: held me off, Tony, I she absolutely held me off.

523
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: I have it all on video and it walked out

524
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: of our life forever and you hear a big sigh

525
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: from me like, oh my gosh, what just happened? But

526
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: she was so proud of herself, like Nope, Dad, you

527
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: said not to do it, so I'm not going to

528
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: do it and uh, what's it's a funny story, Tony,

529
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: but I ended up killing that deer h two and

530
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: a half years later and and so it's still part

531
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: of the family. Uh. And she doesn't. She loves it

532
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: as much as I do, you know, because she had

533
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: that experience with me. But I guess with with the

534
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: girls it's it's always been more about the experience and

535
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: emotion that goes into what we're doing and I feel

536
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: like they've been so connected to that experience on a

537
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: different level than than what I had because of growing up.

538
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: What I want to do is get out there and

539
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: put an Arrow in as many things as I could.

540
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: Right with them, they're they're more specific to no, I

541
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: want to shoot the deer. You want me to shoot dead? Ye, well,

542
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: and that's why I just had a conversation uh, with

543
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: Nicole Belki, uh, who's you know, she's in the hunting

544
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: industry and she hunts a lot. We were talking about

545
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: a mutual friend of ours who UH is, you know,

546
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: she's relatively new to hunting, but she's through her job,

547
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: she's got to hunt quite a bit of different stuff

548
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: and she's she's mostly a rifle hunter. And they call

549
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: her the dainty sniper because she's little, she's petite, but

550
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: she's a she's a she's a really good shot and

551
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, Nicole was explaining like watching, watching Aaron shoot,

552
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, she takes so much time

553
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: to make sure that that shot is perfect, and that's

554
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: something that I kind of hadn't really faced with my daughters,

555
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: but I like has been happening where it's like, you know,

556
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: you and I, let's say we go out and we

557
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: call in some Turkeys and we've got a shotgun, like,

558
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just pretty much over. Like you,

559
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, the first good shot you get, you're gonna

560
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: dump them and it's over and you sort of take

561
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: that for granted. And then you hunt with somebody who's

562
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to screw this shot up, like

563
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: I am doing everything in my power to ensure that

564
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: this is like this is going to go exactly how

565
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: it's supposed to go because of how I've been told.

566
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: And that's like a nice reminder that I think we

567
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: forget about because we have so much experience and you know,

568
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: you might hunt with people who you know don't don't

569
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: think about shots that way as much. But when you

570
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: get out there with somebody who does, and I don't

571
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: know if this is, you know, more specific to to

572
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: new women hunters or not, I really don't know, but

573
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: when you see that, it's really interesting because there is

574
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: like such a focus there don't screw this up, like

575
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: make this shot exactly how you're supposed to, and it's

576
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: pretty neat to see. Yes, it is. It is a

577
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: great reminder. Yeah, I can tell you there's been deer

578
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: in my life that I've walked out that I didn't

579
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: take the first good opportunity that I probably should have.

580
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: But what's always been in the back of my mind

581
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: is that is what I've I've planted implanted in in

582
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: in my daughter's uh, you know, hunting ethics and and

583
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, is just don't take that shot. Um,

584
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of deer have have gotten

585
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: away because of that, which is good. You know, you

586
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: don't want to wound an animal, but I totally get that. Yeah,

587
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: it's uh, I think it's one of the I think

588
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: it's neat that that exists. I think it's also a

589
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: good reminder of how, you know, new hunters don't necessarily

590
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: understand how to think about shots very well. Like when

591
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: you think about you know somebody who's season, they're watching

592
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: a deer move and they're thinking, my point of impact

593
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: just changed by three inches, or I need to aim here,

594
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: I need to bring that pin back a little bit,

595
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: or the crosshairs back or forward, and for us it's

596
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: sort of automatic. into new hunters it's not. And so

597
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: when you when you talk, when you preach that broadside

598
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: or nothing game, it's like, okay, now now that's it.

599
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: But you're not. You're not. They're not learning that that

600
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: quartering away shot is great or or you can take

601
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: that quartering too shot in the right situation if you

602
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: can slip it in there, or it's not too severe,

603
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: and that that just comes with experience. But you have

604
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: to start with a baseline somewhere, and often it's just that,

605
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: that that broadside shot, and here's where you aim every time,

606
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: and that's like a jumping off point for them until

607
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: they have enough experience out there. Right. I think that

608
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me, Tony, was knowing. I believe

609
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: in Missouri you could start hunting. Forgive me, I could

610
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I believe it was eight years old

611
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: with with a parent, and so when you have a

612
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: and I waited until my girls were ten. They just

613
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: weren't ready and weren'ting fishing enough with with a rifle

614
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: yet to get out there during youth season. Um, but

615
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: I did not want them to have that bad experience. Yeah, well,

616
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: just just curious. What, what rifle did you start them with? Um,

617
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: they both were shooting youth model to forty three at it.

618
00:32:47,640 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: That's a good caliber. So let's let's talk about your

619
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Missouri property a little bit. How did you because you

620
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned when you were when you were in the market,

621
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: and you you like that area, had some experience close

622
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: to there and you talked to the neighbors, you saw

623
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: how it laid out and you mentioned that access. Wise,

624
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: you could sort of envision this property turning into something

625
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: where you knew you'd be able to get into stand

626
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: spots and and set things up so you wouldn't educate

627
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: the deer. How did you know that? Like, how did

628
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: you look at this? What did this property have that

629
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: you looked at that said that to you? Um, honestly,

630
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, if if I were to go back a

631
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: little bit and think about this, I believe it was

632
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: more or less the prevailing winds during the time I'd

633
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: be hunting Um and and really the there was a

634
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: little maintenance access road that kind of bordered the east

635
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: side of it and knew I could get some sell

636
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: side access as well. So I thought, you know, prevailing

637
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: winds northwest and I know where these deer are betted.

638
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: I can get behind them on their betting area or

639
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: I could get front of them through an easement that

640
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: was kind of on the on the northeast side of

641
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: that property as well, to get them coming from their

642
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: bed and going to a destination field or one of

643
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: my my food plots. Um. It really dialed into where

644
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: I believe these deer were betted. When I walked that property.

645
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: One of the best things that I found, and I

646
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: was able to walk this property in April, and clearly

647
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean the amount of sheds I found in there Tony,

648
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: for there there had to be, you know, sheds in there,

649
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: maybe three years old. They were not on a little bit,

650
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: but I could tell that these bucks were hanging in

651
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: their late season, no matter what. Um and being mostly

652
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: a timbered track with some destination fields to the west

653
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: where these deer, where I found their sheds were in

654
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: some pretty good thickets. So I had a really good

655
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: idea that deer were betting their late season. AH, they

656
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: would probably be there, you know, in in the early season.

657
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: For me too, it's just natural betting areas Um and

658
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: taking a step back and looking at a thousand foot view.

659
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: I actually then contacted a local logger in there and

660
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: I had them create some access points for me, uh,

661
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: and got some good timber value out of it so

662
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: that I knew I could sneak in uh to those deers.

663
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: So there were certain access points I had to create,

664
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: but I had the luxury of that because, you know,

665
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: I owned the property at that time. So how how

666
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: right were you when you when you say you're looking

667
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: at this and you know, you walk it and you go, okay,

668
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: prevailing winds or north or west, or northwest in the fall.

669
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: I know I can cut in on this east side

670
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: or coming from the south and you know, you you

671
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: lay that plan out, but you know this isn't like

672
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: a perfectly flat piece of ground. You know, like there's

673
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: there's some terrain to it. I mean, how close were you,

674
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: like how how close to getting it really, really right

675
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: were you the first year I felt like I was

676
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: spot on my very first sit on that property Tony,

677
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: October six. I still remember it because I drove from

678
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Sydney Nebraska, started pretty early in the morning. It's an

679
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: eight and a half hour trip out there, pulling the property.

680
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: About one o'clock in the afternoon. There was a huge

681
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: cold front coming through. Temperatures are really going to drop

682
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: and I was in my stand probably by two and

683
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: I end up killing a hundred and fifty three inch

684
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: deer by three thirty in the afternoon. Um, so, and

685
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: I felt like spot on. Right. He came from exactly

686
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: where I thought these deer would be betted and and

687
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: knew he was going to start. Heck, he was already

688
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: making a scrape. You know. That's the first time I

689
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: saw him was when he was making a scrape just

690
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: that that cold that cold weather, had got him on

691
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: his feet a lot earlier. Um, and this is by

692
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: the way, this is I didn't have. I didn't pull

693
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: a single trail CAM card or nothing. I had him

694
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: out there but I didn't even know I had this

695
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: d a camera until after I had shot him and

696
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: went and pulled cards. Now what changed, though, the very

697
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: next year, is I started to do some habitat improvement

698
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: and I started adding. Added like a three acre food

699
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: plot and I cleared out a logging road and widen

700
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: did a little bit and planted that into some food

701
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: for once. I did that, my initial assessment would not

702
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: have worked. I struggled my second year because I had

703
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: made some habitat changes in there and therefore I changed

704
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: the deer movement interesting. So, in doing something that would

705
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: almost universally be viewed as a positive improvement to your

706
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: hunting land, you you changed the game for yourself. I

707
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: did I did. I took what was pretty much a

708
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: three acre overgrown little pocket inside that woods and and

709
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: mowed it down and spread it and planted and clover

710
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: and chickory and I thought now I'm in it right,

711
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: all set up on the edge of this thing. It's

712
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful in the pocket type of food plot. And

713
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: there you sat on that with me. It was gorgeous.

714
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: But once I did that, those deer no longer used

715
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: the same trails because now they were skirting the food

716
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: plot and they were wind checking, uh, you know, the

717
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: food plot, versus walking the regular trails right through the

718
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: center of that thing. That is that is something that

719
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: you you really can't know until you experience it, and

720
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, you get your hands on a property that

721
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: you buy or that you lease or, you know, maybe

722
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: it's your gramma's farm and you can go in there

723
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: and do some improvement to it. That's not something that

724
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: we think about a lot where you know, you you

725
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: make that kill plot or you you do that improvement

726
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: and think, okay, well, the deer always just moved along

727
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: this ridge. Now they have even more of a reason

728
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: to do it. But you also start hunting there a

729
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: lot and you change the cover and you change the

730
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: habitat and you might actually, you know, push them to

731
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: do something a little bit different than you expect instead

732
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: of just having this easy setup where they're just drawn

733
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: to that spot. That's exactly what had happened. I learned

734
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: a lot from my second year of landownership. Um, you know,

735
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: being eight hours away, I didn't get there a lot Tony.

736
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: You know, it was tough to get out there, but

737
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: when I was out there I worked on some weekends

738
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: and and did what I needed to do. So by

739
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: the time hunting season came around it was a humbling

740
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: experience to see how my my improvements to that property

741
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: absolutely changed the dynamic of how those those mature gears specifically,

742
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: we're using that that property. Yeah, I mean I think

743
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: there's a really a really poignant cautionary tale there, which

744
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: is when we do something that we think is going

745
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: to make it easier, it often comes with some baggage

746
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: that we don't see common you know, like we we

747
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: flip on the outdoor channel and we see dear get

748
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: shot in food plots all day long and we're like okay, well,

749
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: that's the answer. And Man, it can be, but it

750
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: can also be something that convinces us, you know, kind

751
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: of like trail camera usage or cell camera usage, where

752
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: it's like this is the answer to my problems. It's

753
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: like man, this, this can be the answer to some

754
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: of your problems, but it can also create new ones. Yes,

755
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: absolutely can. Yeah, the only way I got around that piece, Tony,

756
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: the next year's I decided I kind of during the

757
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: UH shed season. I could clearly see the established trails

758
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: around that food PLAT and how deer we're moving around

759
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: me in places where I would never see them right.

760
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: But what I what I did recognize is there were

761
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: certain spots on that trail where they literally could see

762
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: the food plot and if nothing was out there during

763
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, the Rut, it's not going to pull in

764
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: a book. So I just did plot screen all the

765
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: way around that and and picking it up a little

766
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: bit and dropped a couple of trees to get the

767
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: deer to move, move around those trail was the way

768
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: I wanted them to do it. And Uh, it changed

769
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: the year three was phenomenal for me after I figured

770
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: it out. Well, we're bumping into that on my buddies

771
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: land down there in southwestern Wisconsin. We were. We were

772
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: there in the end of the end of August hanging

773
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: some stands. I was actually setting it up for our

774
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: one week in November shoot. And you know, we realized

775
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: last year when I hunted there, I saw all these

776
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: bucks sent check this little knob up on this ridge

777
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: and it was just like, I don't know, it was

778
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: like the spot right, like what I was in a

779
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: good spot, but that was every deer I saw either

780
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: started there or ended there. And you know like what

781
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: you're talking about with deer being able to look into

782
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: your plot and go, well, there's nobody there, there's no

783
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: reason to go there or scent check it. Really well

784
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: they're going to do that instead of just blindly running

785
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: out into those plots. And I kind of had that

786
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: and epiphany about this. But when I got in there,

787
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: it's just this knob that had all these doughbeds on it.

788
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: It's a little thicker and the way it sets up

789
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: is like if you're a buck and you want to

790
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: send check that little betting area there, you don't have

791
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: very many good options. You gotta Get up tight on

792
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: it because it's a pretty tight little ridge and the

793
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: way they're going to skirt around it, you're just like

794
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: they kind of have to do this here if they

795
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: know those are better there and they can't really cheat

796
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: the system a whole lot. Like they got to get

797
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: up in there pretty tight. And so when you know,

798
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: when I walked in there, I'm like this is the spot,

799
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: but then I look at the tree that I flagged

800
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: in the winter when I was shed hunting out there

801
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: and I go that tree is way too crooked to

802
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: hang a double set in. And you know how it is.

803
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: It falls away. And so in the in the winter,

804
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: you look at it and go this is it, just

805
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: and you don't really think it through. And then when

806
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: you carry a bunch of crap in there to hang

807
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: the stands. You look at it and go it's not

808
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: right and I tried to force it. Put everything up,

809
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: pulled everything down and I'm looking at it going you know,

810
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: I I didn't think through the wind on this situation

811
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: very well, and that's why I want to ask you

812
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: how right you got your property in Missouri, because, as

813
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: this property of my buddies, it's close enough to the

814
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: Mississippi River where you know, when you're hunting there in

815
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: the fall, all you hear is people shooting ducks all

816
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: day long. And I mean you can look across the

817
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: river to the Iowa side. So you're right there. And

818
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: what I didn't realize was if I'm planning on a

819
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, a West wind or whatever, that river system,

820
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River system, is affecting those winds so much

821
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: and those valleys that run up, you know, kind of

822
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: parallel to the land, are perpendicular to the land. You

823
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: can't you can't just look at the forecast and be

824
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: like okay, this is what's gonna happen because when you

825
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: get in there there's so many terrain features that might

826
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: be affecting it. It's kind of like you gotta learn

827
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: like on the fly and you learn how often you

828
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: get it wrong. And so we were dealing with that

829
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: on this spot because we're like this is a spot

830
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: we want to hunt, but I know if it says

831
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: a West Wind, that wind is gonna shoot up this

832
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: valley here and it's not going to be exactly what

833
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: I thought. And so you're always playing that game. And

834
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: so even though it seems pretty easy to figure out,

835
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: if you've got private land to work with, it's pretty good,

836
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's still kind of a constant

837
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: work in progress. It is it is a matter of fact.

838
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: You bring up a good point and there's one thing

839
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to do on my Indiana farm this year

840
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I can look at my my

841
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: my favorite hunting APP and and see which win direction is,

842
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: and I can stand out on my front porch and

843
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: see what the wind direction is. I can look at

844
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: the flag pole right, but I really want to start

845
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: going in and sitting some of these sets and and

846
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: understanding truly how the wind is flowing in in some

847
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: of these ravines or sidehills that I'm hunting, because I'm

848
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: still figuring out my Indiana farm by the way, it

849
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: takes more than a year. I got lucky, so lucky

850
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: that first year in Missouri. Um, but the what the

851
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: train can do to your the wind direction out on

852
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: my property Missouri is ridiculous. There are that's where I sat.

853
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: I actually set them up for a northwest or a

854
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: westerly wind and I get down in there and that

855
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: wind is going the opposite direction that I need that

856
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: wind to go and I'm pulling out. So I'll ruin

857
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: a morning hunt and I've really got to start taking

858
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: better notes on truly what direction of wind I need

859
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: to actually hunt in those spots. Yeah, and then you know,

860
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: there's a good lesson there too, because I find myself

861
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: a lot of times I'll go this, this spot is

862
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: perfect for a South East Wind, or this spot is

863
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: perfect for a north or west wind, and if I

864
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: get into something where I'm like it's got to be

865
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: straight north or I'm screwed, or it's got to be

866
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: straight out of the West, I find myself either sitting

867
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: places where I'm like this is not so great, like

868
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna get busted, or doing what you did,

869
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: which is like you get in there and go I

870
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: can't do it, I gotta get out, and then you

871
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: might sand bag of morning or you might go to

872
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: a secondary spot and it's just never usually doesn't work

873
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: out very well that way. And so the more the

874
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: more your setups allow for a couple of different wind directions.

875
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: I know this is obvious, but we we don't think

876
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: about it a lot. Sometimes when we're setting up, it's

877
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: really important to give yourself that little margin for error

878
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: and go okay, well, now you know, if that wind

879
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: isn't perfectly out of the West, if it's cheating pretty

880
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: hard to the north, I'm still okay, right, Yep. And

881
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: some of those setups are just there. They're tough to find, man,

882
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: like you said, you can't you don't really know them

883
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: until you get in there and you get a season,

884
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: you know where you go. Okay, this is actually what

885
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: happens here, right. And it's tough when you're you know,

886
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: somebody may look at eighty acres and say that's not

887
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: very big right, Um and and it it is. And

888
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: when you're talking about how many matureier can that eighty

889
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: acres hold? And so when you're hunting a specific deer

890
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: or a specific betting area and you get in there

891
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: and the wind is wrong, you have a really good

892
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: chance of educating that dear to the point where you

893
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: may not see him until rot or. You may not

894
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: see that dear again. Now I don't want to give

895
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: to your all the credit, but I also respect them

896
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: enough to know I've had dear pattern me in my

897
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: my my access points right. I'll go hunt to set.

898
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: I've consistently gotten a great buck on camera night after

899
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 1: night after night. The winds the same and I'll access

900
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: that set and I'll go sit there and won't see

901
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: him and I'll hunt it the next night because the

902
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: winds right and I don't see him. I'll pull out

903
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: and the next night he's in there. It's like what

904
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: is going on? And you start to think to yourself

905
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: that dear has me patterned. He knows how I'm getting

906
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: in and so he knows not to not to come

907
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: that way when I'm around. Um, yeah, it's it's been.

908
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 1: I've been educated more times than not on on mature

909
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: bucks well, and paying attention to stuff like that is

910
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: real important. I was having a conversation when we were

911
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: hanging those stands down in Wisconsin with my buddy because

912
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: the spot that I killed my buck on there last year.

913
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: was was this just really cool stand over a pond

914
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: in this valley. I mean it was just a had

915
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: a lot going for it. It had the right terrain,

916
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: it had some water, uh, pretty close to that betting Knob,

917
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: and it just you know, you're you're checking a lot

918
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: of boxes there and man it was fun. You could

919
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: you could get in there in an awesome way in

920
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: the morning and access it and almost you're almost guaranteed

921
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: not to blow deer out. And the way it set

922
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: up your wind, if you had the right wind, it

923
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: was blown over a quarry where they weren't probably gonna

924
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: come from, and so it was just like fun, you know.

925
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 1: I mean the morning that I killed my buck, I think.

926
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: I think we saw fourteen deer off of that stand,

927
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: which is fun. Right. You're watching deer. You never have

928
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: a break of more than a half hour or an hour.

929
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: And then my buddy who owns the place, he's like,

930
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go sit that with a rifle and you know,

931
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: you can see a lot, you've got a lot of

932
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: different places to shoot. You could cover some serious ground

933
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: with a high power in there. And he went in

934
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: there and the first day sat all day and saw

935
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: two deer and I go okay, well, that spot is

936
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: really good. So what happened? Did it get open enough

937
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: where they saw him come in? Was it the cumulative

938
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: effect of the Wisconsin Gun season going on? Something changed

939
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: in there, you know, in a in a two week

940
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: span where you know, okay, you're not dealing with the

941
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: heat of the Rut the same way by the time

942
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: the Wisconsin opener is so you can factor that in

943
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: a little bit. But you can see so much in there.

944
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: To not see hardly any deer all day, something changed

945
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: and you got to figure it out. It's not just,

946
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: like you said, with a with the deer patterning you

947
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: on your your entrance route. It's like or your access points.

948
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: It's not random like they've they've got you somehow there.

949
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: If they're not doing what you expect them to do,

950
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: there's a really good chance it's because either somebody else

951
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: or you tipped your hand to him and they know it.

952
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: That's right. You know, I think that stuff is is

953
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: really important. So how much did it hurt having to

954
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: sell that or choosing to sell that Missouri Property? It

955
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: hurt so bad because just the history I had out there,

956
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: the memories that had made with my girls and knowing

957
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: the quality of animals around there and having such great neighbors.

958
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: It was very, very tough, Tony, but it was it

959
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: was crystal clear to me that in order to spend

960
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: more time with the girls that I needed a property

961
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: closer to where I now, you know, work and live

962
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: and and so the decision was made to sell that

963
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: property and and try to find something in in Indiana.

964
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: And this was a much different approach this time around

965
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: and actually finding the property that I wanted. Oh, Tony,

966
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: it totally different. So I went into Missouri, like I

967
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: told you, and I got lucky that first day. And

968
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: how it's a really nice year. This time around. Wanted

969
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: a project. I wanted to challenge myself to the point

970
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: where I had to really think about everything I've learned.

971
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 1: And I've been around so many great hunters out there,

972
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: habitat managers and I've just been a sponge for years.

973
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: But now I wanted to try to put what I've

974
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: learned to work. So I found eighty five acres in

975
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 1: in in Indiana here and the first time I walked

976
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: the property, Tony, I couldn't find a deer trail. It

977
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: was like a state park. It was absolutely gorgeous, maples

978
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: and hickory trees but no undergrowth whatsoever. It was wide open.

979
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: Plus it had something I've never had before, which was

980
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: a twenty acre. Uh It was. It was in fescue

981
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: for Hey, but I could envision kind of an agricultural

982
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: spot there where I could plant corn and beans, et Cetera,

983
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: and I've never experienced having that much acres that I could,

984
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, test my arming skills on as well. So

985
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: when I first walked the property, I walked away going

986
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: that it's going to be too much work, and so

987
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: I passed on it. And I passed on it for

988
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: one specific reason. It wasn't because it wasn't a big

989
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: enough project or it was too big of a project.

990
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: It is because I was worried about one specific way

991
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: to access this property to be able to hunt it correctly. Well,

992
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: after a month went by, it still hadn't sold. A

993
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: couple of folks had looked at it. I decided to

994
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: take another drive down there and take a much finer

995
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: look at it and I found a logging road that

996
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know existed. It had to be about twenty

997
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: years old. That came out to a county road and

998
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: I thought, my goodness, I wonder how this goes through

999
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: the property. So I took my favorite hunting APP and

1000
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: I started walking down this logging road and dropping pins

1001
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: and tracing my route and boy, when I was done,

1002
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: I could not believe what I saw. It gave me

1003
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: all the acts I needed to just that one more

1004
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: look to find that hidden gem of how to get

1005
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: in and potentially u you know, hunt, hunt, have really

1006
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: good hunting opportunities on this property. Knowing how, then, you know,

1007
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 1: my mind started going. There was a blank canvas. Where

1008
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: do I want to hinge cut? What does the logging

1009
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to look like in here? I was not interested

1010
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: in the money from a timber harvest. I was only

1011
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: interested in how do we harvest this timber to create

1012
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: the best Turkey and deer hunting habitat? How do wait?

1013
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: How do I put the logging roads in there to

1014
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: help me enter or gain access to enter and leave

1015
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: my stands undetected? How can I use those same logging

1016
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: roads to influence how deer are coming in and out

1017
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: of the property to the agricultural field that I envision having?

1018
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: All those things went to play and now it's year three, Tony,

1019
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: and and I cannot wait for folks to see this.

1020
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: I've I've document at every piece of this journey, from

1021
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: how it was to where it is today, and I

1022
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: think folks would be amazed at what you can do

1023
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: in a short period of time. That's that's so cool.

1024
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: Do you do you find yourself in your experience with,

1025
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, the properties you've owned and you own and

1026
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: you know the least thing you've done? Do you find

1027
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: yourself like constantly being reminded of how much you have

1028
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: to learn on each of these properties, every one of them? Yes,

1029
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean it never stops. that. That's one thing that's

1030
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: a real eye opener, because I always think you know,

1031
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: let's say you you know, let's say you're a die

1032
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: hard public land hunter and you you know you're in

1033
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and you're like this is the national forest, Die Hunter,

1034
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: this is these are the couple of sections I hunt,

1035
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: and you're a scouting fiend and you can always get

1036
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: yourself into a position where you're like, I know my dear,

1037
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: I know my dear, I know my dear ground, but

1038
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: you don't. And when you when you have your own

1039
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: piece of ground to work with like my my biggest properties,

1040
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: thirty acres, and you know, this summer I was walking

1041
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: that just because I kind of wanted to, and I'm

1042
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: seeing apple trees I didn't know we're in there, and

1043
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: I see stuff where I go. How do you miss

1044
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: this on thirty acres that you've owned for, you know,

1045
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: seven or eight years and you expand that out and realize,

1046
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: like you just there's so much that you're gonna Miss,

1047
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: even if you're out there all the time. That that

1048
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 1: that's part of what's like so cool about the whole thing.

1049
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: It is, and I believe me, Tony, you and I

1050
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: both can relate to the guy in Pennsylvania that's hunting

1051
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: some big woods right Um on public land. Going from,

1052
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, that doing the recon you needed you to

1053
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: be successful in that situation, to now owning a piece

1054
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: of property and really having a blank canvas and creating

1055
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: what you want is it was two different it's the

1056
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: evolution of where I wanted to be as a hunter

1057
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: and as a habitat manager. So that's exactly why I

1058
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: went down the path that I did. But Um, yeah,

1059
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: like you said, it's amazing I could walk out on

1060
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: that five acres tomorrow. I've had it for three years

1061
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: and see something brand new or something that's gonna Open

1062
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: my eyes to why don't I have a sat here?

1063
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: It's that's so cool. So, given, given the fact that

1064
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: you have that eighty five acres down there closer to

1065
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: where you live, do you do you still lease any grown?

1066
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: I do. I actually have a lease in Ohio. Why? Uh,

1067
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: that's a great question. I can tell you it's and

1068
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: it's only I've only had it for a year. Um,

1069
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: I do like the opportunity to getting to hunt in

1070
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: other states as well. It kind of extends my season.

1071
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: I will tell you my main focus is my Indiana farm,

1072
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: but if I have an opportunity to go over to

1073
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: ohile and and try to pattern a buck or get

1074
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: on a good one, I'm definitely gonna do it. Yeah,

1075
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: so you're just you're just giving yourself a few more

1076
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: options there when you know, with with your insights into

1077
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: leasing working for base camp, what are people looking for now?

1078
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: Because I know like leasing. You know it's leasing to

1079
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: me is kind of like the box blind thing, you know,

1080
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: when you think about sort of these things that might

1081
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: have grown out of Texas hunting. I remember seeing them.

1082
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: You know, when I started hunting, you'd watch a show or,

1083
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, read an article and you're like, I can't

1084
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: believe somebody sits in a little house and shoots a deer,

1085
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: or I can't believe people are paying hunt land they

1086
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: don't own. And now, you know, it's across the spectrum.

1087
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: Like it's it's so popular, and leasing is just crazy

1088
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: popular right now. Yeah, it's. It's, you know, for the

1089
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: Midwest specifically, you know it's it's obviously not as a

1090
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: mature market or thing. Is is what you'll find down

1091
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: south like Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, et CETERA. Georgia. Leasing has

1092
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 1: been around for a very, very long time down self.

1093
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: So still in the Midwest you still have those folks

1094
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: that asked the question. You know, why would you ever

1095
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: lease the property? Just go knock on the door and

1096
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: create a relationship with somebody and and and hunt the property?

1097
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: Um and and, as a matter of fact, I've I've

1098
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: heard folks take it a step farther and they're not

1099
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: very happy with with the leasing that that we do

1100
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: right and and part of it is because folks are

1101
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: are starting to uh, it's it's not, it's not cheap. Right,

1102
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: leasing a property is not cheap Um, specifically in certain states.

1103
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: But I will tell you they're getting over the fact

1104
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: that you would have to pay for access nowadays. My

1105
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: my biggest rebuttal to folks who have a problem with

1106
00:58:55,320 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: leasing today is, you know, we pay for our archery equipment.

1107
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: Our guns are ammo or camouflage, everything, everything else we

1108
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: paid for. That landowner has invested in a property and

1109
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,439
Speaker 1: is willing to allow access for hunting. I just want

1110
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: folks to be grateful for that, because a lot of

1111
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: private landage that they don't have to do it, they

1112
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: wish to do it and and part of that is

1113
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: they get paid for right. Well, I mean I heard

1114
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: Stan Potts say this years ago and it's stuck with me,

1115
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: and his argument was you think that you've had free hunting,

1116
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, say you knock on the door and they

1117
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: let you on there and it's like it was only

1118
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: free to you. Somebody's always paying for it. Somebody's always

1119
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: been paying the property taxes, somebody paid, you know, somebody

1120
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: paid to be the title holder of that Land Somehow,

1121
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: somewhere or some way, and so the idea that you

1122
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: know hunting is was free at one point, and it

1123
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: isn't now. Isn't that doesn't really hold water. It does

1124
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: hold water and I can tell you I've I've had

1125
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: discussions with a lot of our landowners and and they're

1126
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: so appreciative of the the liability coverage that comes with

1127
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: our program you know, we give a five million dollar

1128
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: liability coverage to per policy for our landowner and our

1129
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: covers our hunters as well, and that's really one of

1130
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: the only reasons why they're opening access today is because

1131
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: they feel like they have some sort of comfort level

1132
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: and in knowing they would be covered if an incident

1133
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: did happen. And and so these are landowners opening up

1134
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: their property to any hunters, whether they're in state, out

1135
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: of state, whatever, that they normally wouldn't have access to.

1136
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: So I'm very, very proud of our at least in

1137
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: program what we can offer our landowners and the comfort

1138
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: level that we can bring to them with our services

1139
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: and and then the the liability coverage that we provide

1140
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: uh to allow other hunters to continue to get out

1141
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: of the field, because that's the most important thing to me, Tony,

1142
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: is we continue to get, you know, folks in the

1143
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: field enjoying this great sport of hunting. Well, and that's

1144
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: something I've never thought of because I've been banging the

1145
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: drum pretty hard on walk in programs and you know,

1146
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, private land open to the public access programs

1147
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: throughout different states, because I think, I think access to

1148
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: ground and any way we can open it up is

1149
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: a huge win for us and I just I just

1150
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: feel like that's a hill I'm going to die on

1151
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: because I don't see a lot of other solutions to

1152
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: some of the access problems we have going on. But

1153
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: I've never really thought about, you know, leasing services as

1154
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: as being like a vehicle to or, you know, a

1155
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: vessel to open up more land to people. But there

1156
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: are probably landowners out there who weren't allowing hunting and

1157
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, pretty sick of right in that checked Uncle

1158
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: Sam every year for their property taxes or you know

1159
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: however it plays out going you know, man, if I

1160
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: can if I can be covered against liability and I

1161
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: can have some responsible hunters on here who are paying

1162
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: me a decent amount of money to to hunt the deer,

1163
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: that's sort of a win win for everybody and it

1164
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: probably is opening up some land that maybe wasn't accessible

1165
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: to somebody before and absolutely is, and I can I

1166
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: can tell you as well as is some of these

1167
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 1: landowners did allow hunting, but then it just got out

1168
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: of control. They allowed one person, who invited their buddy,

1169
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: who invited their buddy, and before you know it, you

1170
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: know there's there's five or six hunters out there on

1171
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 1: a property that really should only be hunting three. Right

1172
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: and and so some of the feedback we've gotten back

1173
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: is we really appreciate you setting the limit of how

1174
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: many people can hunt our property. We feel like there's

1175
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: more control over there. We know the guys a lot

1176
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: better Um and there's so many great relationships have come

1177
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: out of this leasing program to between the Hunters and

1178
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: landowners that I've seen over the years. We've got some very,

1179
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: very touching and great stories. That's that's awesome. What are

1180
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: some of the mistakes people make? Let's say you've got

1181
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: somebody out there, I don't care what state they're in,

1182
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: they're like, you know what, I lost my place, it

1183
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: got developed, or I'm sick of bumping into people on

1184
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: public land. I wanna, I wanna. I can't afford to

1185
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: buy a place, but I want to lease something. What

1186
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: are some of the mistakes people make when they start

1187
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: looking into leasing. Um, they don't do their due diligence.

1188
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 1: That's probably one of the biggest things because it's such

1189
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: a competitive thing today. The demand is so high for

1190
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: a good lease today. I think a lot of folks

1191
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: are are are so eager to get a piece of

1192
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: property that they'll pay in full and just then they

1193
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: go out there and say see that it's not what

1194
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: they thought they were getting. Um. Any leasing program over

1195
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: there should give you at least a week. You know,

1196
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: you put a deposit on on you go out there,

1197
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: look at the property and make sure that's exactly what

1198
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: you want before you put your full money down. I

1199
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: think a lot of folks will understand that. Once that

1200
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: you pay the leasing company. They're a broker. That money

1201
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: goes directly to the landowner. It's no longer in the

1202
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: leasing company's pockets. Right. So still do your due diligence. Um,

1203
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: have you ever looked at, uh, well, you bought your

1204
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: thirty acres, when when you read the write up of

1205
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: a property and you would go up there and look

1206
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: at that property that you're interested in buying and you

1207
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: would see things differently than who ever wrote that property

1208
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: up correct. Sure, and then it happens all the time.

1209
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: We as as as hunters, as outdoors men and women,

1210
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: we see things differently. So don't take the write up

1211
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: for its word. Go out there and put boots on

1212
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: the ground and make sure you are getting exactly what

1213
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: you want and then when that is the case, then

1214
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: make sure you secure because they're they're not making any

1215
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: more of it and the leasing is very good. Properties

1216
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: are very hard to come by. So you would say

1217
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: that you see a lot of people get into the

1218
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: leasing game and sort of get a little bit too

1219
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: impulsive with the lease? Yes, yeah, I could see that. Uh,

1220
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean you see you see that in some of

1221
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: these hot real estate markets where, you know, people are

1222
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: buying three quarters of a million dollar houses site unseen

1223
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: just to be in, you know, Catchum Idaho or Bozeman,

1224
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: Montana or something, and I could see that trickling down

1225
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: into the into the competitive space of of leasing, especially

1226
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: in states with probably a high hunter density. Yes, YEP,

1227
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: and I get it. I get it because of the demand,

1228
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: but man, if I'm going to invest my time and

1229
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: money and to go out and hunt property, I'm putting

1230
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: boots on the ground first to make sure it's exactly

1231
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: what I would like to have. Yeah, you you mentioned

1232
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: before I was I was going to ask you this.

1233
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: You said, you know, you put a deposit down, then

1234
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: you go walk it. Is that? Is that typically the

1235
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: order of things where if you see, uh, you know,

1236
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: listing pop up on your guys site and go man,

1237
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: that's that's the one I want. It's an hour away

1238
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: from home, it's the right size, the right price, you

1239
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: throw a deposit down, then you go look at it. Yep.

1240
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: Yet you put a three deposit down and you've got

1241
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: seven days to get out there and look get it

1242
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: and if you want it, you pay the balance. Um,

1243
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: if you don't, just you're in the market for another one. Yeah,

1244
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: so that's that's basically like kind of like scrow money

1245
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: or like hold money. It's nonrefundable, Tony, it's it's that critical.

1246
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: It's the demand is so high. Yes, yeah, so you gotta,

1247
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta at least have a pretty good idea.

1248
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: So do you advise people to, you know, check out

1249
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: the listing and then do some e scouting and, you know,

1250
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: really be honest with themselves before they plunked on that deposit?

1251
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: I would love people to do that. You know, if

1252
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: I gave that advice Tony, I'd tell you they would

1253
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: lose out on the majority of our leases in the

1254
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: Midwest there are specific states that we all have a

1255
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: property rollout on and we release our properties Monday, Wednesday

1256
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: and Fridays to our membership level and if they're not

1257
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: if they don't have a deposit on them in five

1258
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: or ten minutes, it's shocking. Like how how? How high

1259
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: is the interest? And like people, I mean I could have,

1260
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: I bet you have a lease or two right now

1261
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: in Ohio that, if it came up, there's probably fifty

1262
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: people watching for that least to come up. Wow, YEP, wow.

1263
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: So it's just and you're you're not seeing any softening

1264
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: of this given the current economy? No, no, and it's

1265
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: to be honest, with the last two years it's it's

1266
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: been the demands to even grown higher. I think people

1267
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: just want to get away and have a spot for

1268
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: their own. I've seen properties out there that are you know,

1269
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't, least just because of how it lays out,

1270
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: but folks want to get in the field. It's it's

1271
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: refreshing in a way that we haven't lost that are

1272
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: these leases that you guys are offering? They're all annual renewals, right, yes,

1273
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: and first right of renewal. Got It. Got It. Do

1274
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: you do you see Woll? I mean do they get

1275
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: in it? Do you see people hopping leases a lot,

1276
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: or do they tend to? They tend to stick with one.

1277
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: They'll stick with with the good ones. Are Our renewals

1278
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: are pretty Dang high. You know, the same guy who

1279
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: leased it last year's least it this year. And you

1280
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: guys have a real estate division now as well. Yeah,

1281
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: base camp country real estate was formed in two thousand

1282
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: and eighteen just, you know, help out with the demand.

1283
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: We were losing a lot of landowners because they were

1284
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: selling their property and and you know, it was a

1285
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: great way to keep these folks in the family. We

1286
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: already knew their property intimately, we had history with their property,

1287
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: and so our our owner, Steve Menk, said, hey, we

1288
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: should start a real state division and continue to take

1289
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: care of our landowners in that fashion, and it's it's

1290
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: been wonderful, Tony. It's been an absolute pleasure to watch

1291
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: this team grow and the culture we have here second

1292
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: to none. I'm so proud of these these guys and

1293
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: gals that are working for us. I mean, I would

1294
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: have to imagine if you take somebody who's serious about

1295
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: deer hunting enough to pay, pay pretty good money for

1296
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: a lease and sort of be in that market all

1297
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: the time, there's probably a fair amount of cross over

1298
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: there from people who are considering buying their own land.

1299
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: That is that is correct to me. It's it's the evolution,

1300
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, of not going the talking kind of your

1301
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: D D Y I type of deal to leasing program

1302
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 1: where now you're leasing your your own property to having

1303
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: enough for down payment to own your own piece of land. Yeah,

1304
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: there's there's sort of a natural progression there and I

1305
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: have to imagine, you know, leasing, leasing is interesting me.

1306
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: I've never done it before and you know, you see

1307
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: it sort of as a bridge between the public land

1308
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: knock on doors thing. You know, a lot of people

1309
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: don't want to do that anymore or it's just not

1310
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: a great option where they live, but they can't afford

1311
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: outright by something because you know, you know how it

1312
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: is when you when you go shop for recreational land,

1313
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: a lot of banks are like sorry, we don't, we

1314
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: don't want it. You need to have a lot of

1315
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: money to put down. You know, if you don't have

1316
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 1: a plan to build on it or something, it's a

1317
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: it's a tough little market to get loans for and

1318
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: just weird. Can Be a weird thing to navigate. And

1319
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: so that that middle ground is is to lease something.

1320
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: But Leasing, you know what I mean? That that's like

1321
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 1: renting an apartment like that money's it's going to somebody

1322
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: else year after year and not going into, you know,

1323
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: sort of your own theoretical piggy bank. And I imagine

1324
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people who leased for a few years

1325
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: sort of graduate out of that and go, you know what,

1326
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: I want to put this money into something that I own. Yes, Yep,

1327
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: I can absolutely relate to that. Yeah, it's it's an

1328
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 1: interesting it's an interesting thing to think about in our

1329
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: space because, you know, I hear people bitch about it

1330
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: a lot and you know, this property get leased up

1331
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: or this guy owning this and not letting anybody in,

1332
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: and I get it. I mean I've lost a lot

1333
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: of places to that too, to that kind of thing,

1334
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: but it's not like it's going to go away and

1335
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: it's it's reality we have to live in and to

1336
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: just be angry with it and instead of maybe look

1337
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: into it and see if you could play in in

1338
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: that space as well. Somehow to me it's a little

1339
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: bit shortsighted, because it's not. I mean we, we are

1340
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: going to be dealing with this stuff with with higher

1341
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: demand for ground. You know that's not going away and

1342
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at urban sprawl and you

1343
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: look at what's just happening out there with a lot

1344
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: of deer habitat, we are just getting pushed onto fewer

1345
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: places and people are going to figure it out. They're

1346
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: going to figure out a way to have, you know,

1347
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: good deer they can hunt that aren't, you know, constantly

1348
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 1: being chased by other people. Right. No, I I my

1349
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: perception of leasing before I worked here was a lot

1350
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: different than what it is today. and Um, part of

1351
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: it is just because of the company I work for

1352
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: and how they they truly care about the landowner hunters

1353
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: out there. We talked about all the time how proudly

1354
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: are making sure that we're providing more access to two

1355
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: hunters out there. That's not lost on us at all.

1356
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: That's that's our main goal right the second thing is

1357
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 1: is to be part of a company that actually gives back.

1358
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: If if you know we we we support farm rescue

1359
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: and catch a dream and uh, several, several other folks

1360
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 1: out there, Sportsman's Alliance. We're right there with your typical

1361
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: guy who wants folks um to succeed out there and

1362
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: protect our heritage and our right to hunt and all

1363
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 1: that stuff. So we're not just sitting back here collecting

1364
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,839
Speaker 1: paychecks from from folks spending their hard earned money on leases.

1365
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,480
Speaker 1: We've actually got a strategy and we're working hard to

1366
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: gain and get more access for folks and and we

1367
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: do give back to our communities tenfold and I love

1368
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: it and that that's awesome. Man. Before we wrap this up,

1369
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a couple of questions that

1370
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: you've learned about deer over the years. I want to

1371
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: switch gears here a little bit and I want to

1372
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: start this. I want to ask you what's The dumbest

1373
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: thing you've seen a mature buck do? Yesh, it's a

1374
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: great question. The dumbest thing can be. Can Be Iowa

1375
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: private land, it can be northern Minnesota, public, doesn't matter.

1376
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: What's what's the one time that sticks in your head

1377
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: where you killed one where you're like, I cannot freaking

1378
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: believe he did that. Well, UH, in Missouri, Sullivan County,

1379
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: I did shoot at a very, very mature animal Um

1380
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 1: at about twelve yards and I grazed him. I cannot

1381
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: believe I missed that, dear, but he ran another twenty yards, stop,

1382
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: stood broadside, looked back at me like a mule deer

1383
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: and that's all I needed for a second shot. What

1384
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: happened on the first one? The first one, I believe

1385
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: I peaked like it just to me. I already had

1386
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 1: that deer mounted, I already figured out which way it

1387
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 1: was going to be turned on the wall, all that stuff.

1388
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: I believe that's what happened. Yeah, so you you get,

1389
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: you out, drove your headlights a little bit. Oh, yes,

1390
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: and it was humbling. But I could not believe that

1391
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: deer ran out there and stood it, you know, thirty

1392
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: two yards or so and and look literally broadside at

1393
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: me in the deer stand because he kind of ran

1394
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: uphill and it was too late. Yeah, well, you know,

1395
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: when you say that we always think and we talked

1396
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 1: about mature books like they would never do something like that,

1397
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: but I can remember deer that have done that to

1398
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: me too. I mean I killed a I killed a

1399
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty one inch or on public land in

1400
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: North Dakota one time that I missed at twenty yards

1401
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: and did the same thing. He just kind of did

1402
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: that little hop to thirty and then I thumped him.

1403
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: And I can think of other deer I shot. You know,

1404
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 1: the first buck that I killed with my re curve

1405
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: back when I traditional bow hunted some same thing. I

1406
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: missed him close and they did the same thing. It's

1407
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: kind of hot back there to twenty yards and gives

1408
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 1: you that follow up and I think you know the

1409
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: lesson there for anybody listening to this who doesn't, you know,

1410
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't have a whole wall full of hundred seventy is. Listen,

1411
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: plan for that second shot, like you know, plan to

1412
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: make a good first shot, but understand that you know,

1413
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: out of let's say you shoot at ten deer, one

1414
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: or two of them might, you know, if you miss,

1415
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: might give you that follow up shot and if you're

1416
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 1: not ready to get an Arrow, you know, like that

1417
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: second Arrow knocked up and ready to go, you might

1418
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: miss out on that opportunity. Right. I mean I was

1419
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: ready to hang my bolt and my garage for the

1420
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: rest of the year. I mean in those split seconds

1421
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: that I'm reaching for another Arrow, right, like, how did

1422
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: you miss that, dear? And it just it was meant

1423
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, it just it just happens. And they

1424
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 1: they sometimes they don't get it. Man. If they don't,

1425
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 1: if they don't see you or hear something, you know,

1426
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: really definitive, there's a lot of times where they're going

1427
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: to spook a little bit and and give you a

1428
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: chance to you know, while they're trying to figure out

1429
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: what the hell just happened, you can probably you can

1430
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: find a way to redeem yourself a little bit. You know,

1431
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not gonna happen every time, but if

1432
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: you think a big buck will never allow you to

1433
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: do that, even on public land, it's just not true. Right. Yeah,

1434
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: I related back to it. I did not have to

1435
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: stop the deer. He was sitting there eating acorns and

1436
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: I just played with you know, so I didn't put

1437
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: them on alert even before I shot. Isn't it amazing

1438
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 1: how you can miss a big buck at twelve yards?

1439
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: I would love to say that will be the last one,

1440
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: but I've hunted too long to know now that it

1441
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: could happen again. I hope it doesn't. But Dude, it

1442
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: is so freaking humbling to miss one that you could

1443
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: probably get with a spear like seven out of ten times. Right.

1444
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm not too proud to say that I've I've missed

1445
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, it happens. Uh. What? What's something else

1446
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: you learned, especially when you were you're really into your

1447
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: quest to kill an Antler Buck in, uh, as many

1448
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: states as possible, and you're, you know, in the Jive

1449
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: to Washington, you're hunting different areas, you're hunting a lot

1450
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: of public land. What, what's something you learned that you

1451
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:11,560
Speaker 1: would say that you learned about deer bucks, specifically that

1452
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people just give them too much credit for.

1453
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: I would have to say, yeah, that's a really good question, Tony.

1454
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what's some kind of universal trait or

1455
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: something you saw in deer in your travels where you're like, man,

1456
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: I think people are just overthinking this part about deer uh,

1457
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: that they need cover, they got to eat right and

1458
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of times if you can figure out

1459
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: those two things, Um and get in between those two things,

1460
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: you're being good shape, being really good shape. Anywhere I've

1461
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: ever gone, I've adapted to kind of the way that

1462
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: other folks hunt in those areas, but that those two

1463
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: things right there is if you can find the right

1464
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 1: cover in the signed within that cover Um and find

1465
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: where they are going to eat, you've got a really

1466
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: good opportunity to putting yourself in a good situation. Yeah,

1467
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,560
Speaker 1: that that reminding yourself that it's often a game of

1468
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: bed to food, food to bed, and you know your

1469
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: job is to get in between there is pretty beneficial, right. Yep. Yeah,

1470
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: I remember, man, we were in like seventh or eighth

1471
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: grade football and I remember we were getting our we

1472
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: were getting beat and I remember the coach saying because

1473
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: we had we had good running backs. You know, I

1474
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: was in a farming community and we had some really

1475
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: tough kids that were running backs, and remember him saying

1476
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,799
Speaker 1: thirty three blast, blast, thirty three blast, forty four blasts,

1477
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over again, because we're

1478
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna get three, four or five yards on every one

1479
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna grind them down. And I remember

1480
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: thinking like man, we have all these plays and all

1481
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: these options and we're gonna run those two and it worked.

1482
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: Like you just it's just simple and when you look

1483
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: at the world of a white tail and we start

1484
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: to give these bucks so much credit and you know,

1485
01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: like he beds here on this wind and he does

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01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: this on this wind and he's never he's nocturnal all

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01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: of October and you go, hold on, hold on, he's

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01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: got to eat and he needs a safe place to

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01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 1: lay out through the day. And if you can start

1490
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: finding those two spots and how he goes from one

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01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: to the other, you've got a lot of this stuff licked. Yes, Yep.

1492
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: And getting in and out on the tective is just key.

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01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 1: If you're close right, absolutely key. I I've got spots

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01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 1: on my property, Tony Acres, that I would love to

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01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: hunt every day, but I will not hunt until the

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01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: right day. Yep, Yep, and that's you know, that that lesson.

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01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 1: It's that's a hard one to get across to people

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01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 1: who are like hunting public land and they're like, okay,

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01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: I got a weekend and this is a spot with

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01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: all the rubs and if I don't go there, somebody

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01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 1: else is going to. But learning that if you do

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01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: go there when it's not right, it doesn't matter, you're

1503
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: gonna get it wrong, you're gonna screw it up, and

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01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: that that patience you know people will look at this

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01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: and go yeah, well, sure, you've got eighty five acres

1506
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: of your own land and you can be patient because

1507
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 1: nobody's going to go in there. But that rule applies

1508
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: everywhere because if you screw it up, it doesn't matter.

1509
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you think about the hunting competition

1510
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: or what big bucks do. If you're like I have

1511
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: to do this because you know if I don't like

1512
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: somebody else is going to screw it up or whatever,

1513
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because you've already lost the game. Right. Yeah,

1514
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: and I always think about my neighbors are hunting out

1515
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: there too, and if I've got a dear, that their

1516
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: core areas is primarily, you know, around my property. Now

1517
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: dear have a large range, but if I'm getting a deer,

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01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 1: you know, more times than not on my eighty five acres,

1519
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is bump them out. Yep, Yep,

1520
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: and you have the option to save them and be patient.

1521
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: And you do. You learn that, though, just just an experience.

1522
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: I mean I I run into that hunting public land

1523
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: all the time where I'm like, I want to go

1524
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: here so bad because I feel that clock ticking and

1525
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: I only have so much time and I know there's

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01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: a chance to somebody go through there or somebody will

1527
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: go through there, but if you know it's not right,

1528
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: the worst thing you can do is force it right. Yep,

1529
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: we and we do that a lot. Listen, buddy, we

1530
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 1: gotta wrap this up. It's always so much fun to

1531
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: catch up with you. So much good information here. Where

1532
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: can everybody go to find uh, maybe find their next

1533
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Speaker 1: lease or maybe find a little property buy somewhere? You

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Speaker 1: OR BASE CAMP COUNTRY DOT COM for the real estate needs. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: I love it, man, thank you so much for coming on.

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01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. That's it for this week, folks. Be

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01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: sure to tune in next week for some more white

1539
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: tailed goodness. This has been weird to hunt and I'm

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01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: your guest host, Tony Peterson, as I always. Thank you

1541
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: so much for listening and if you're looking for more

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