Speaker 1: Hey, ba fam, welcome back to another week, another Brown table.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't think of this brown
Speaker 1: table sooner, But when I was thinking about what I
Speaker 1: was going to say to y'all the day after, the
Speaker 1: couple of days after you know what has just happened
Speaker 1: in this country January twentieth, on MLK Day of all days,
Speaker 1: I just knew that I did not want to be
Speaker 1: at the Brown table by myself. And I thought back
Speaker 1: to a couple of guests that we had not that
Speaker 1: long ago. You've both been on the show, I think
Speaker 1: in the past like six months. So we have Dsha Dyer,
Speaker 1: who of course is the author of my favorite read
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, Undiplomatic. Yes, you know, Aaron, when
Speaker 1: you got a book, I'll have yours too.
Speaker 3: I listen, I'll get write on it.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, when you have your free time, just like
Speaker 1: write a whole book. It's fine. Dsha Dyer is here.
Speaker 1: She was a former White House Social secretary, which I
Speaker 1: learned in the last interview with Dsha does not mean
Speaker 1: social media and means she literally put on massive events,
Speaker 1: massive moments, some iconic moments like the twenty sixteen party.
Speaker 1: What was it the Black Party at what was the literal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, love and happiness the BT Party, Yeah, yeah, nice iconic.
Speaker 1: What's a part of the Obama administration? You got to
Speaker 1: go check out her book on diplomatic It's just I
Speaker 1: don't know for every I just feel like if you're
Speaker 1: someone who ever felt out of place, you know where
Speaker 1: you're working, and ever felt like there were some places
Speaker 1: like DC that were out of reach for you, like
Speaker 1: this book is just waw Chef's kiss. And then we
Speaker 1: have a friend of the show, Aaron Haynes, aka the
Speaker 1: editor at large of the Nineteenth Amendment or the Nineteenth, sorry,
Speaker 1: the Nineteenth, And she has a newsletter that is called
Speaker 1: the Amendment, And so y'all got to go check that out.
Speaker 1: And also, I mean I feel like at the Amendment,
Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, at the Nineteenth, can I get the
Speaker 1: name right? That would be the bare minimum to do,
Speaker 1: Like I will try that.
Speaker 2: It's been a long couple of days, it has not
Speaker 2: at the Nineteenth.
Speaker 1: I mean y'all have been y'all have been such a
Speaker 1: voice and advocate and for you know, underserved communities, for women,
Speaker 1: for bipop voices, and you just do brilliant work. But
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get together with y'all and see
Speaker 1: how you're feeling, and like we've been saying, like acknowledge
Speaker 1: that community and being together and supporting each other and
Speaker 1: creating space where we can just thrive and feel safe
Speaker 1: together and support one another is So it's like the
Speaker 1: only way I can see surviving the next for plus,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many years we have ahead of us.
Speaker 1: So I just want to say thank y'all for joining
Speaker 1: me and welcome to the Brown table.
Speaker 3: There are now too, I mean right, like it's it's
Speaker 3: not you know because for all the talk that you
Speaker 3: know was around maybe eight years ago about the resistance,
Speaker 3: now it's it's really just about resilience and and black
Speaker 3: women being in community. Like I'm seeing so much of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to at this point because I think
Speaker 2: that that it really is that we all we got,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I think that is
Speaker 2: the honest of God truth. And I'm hoping that the
Speaker 2: communities that we curate will be open to other black
Speaker 2: women coming in these spaces, you know, like stout gatekeeping,
Speaker 2: like we all need each other at this point to
Speaker 2: survive for real, for real.
Speaker 3: Talk about how are we going to talk about the gatekeeping. OMG, yes,
Speaker 3: you should come in and spy.
Speaker 1: Is that what you mean by that? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Who's gate keeping?
Speaker 2: You know? I'm spicy.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I think that there is a certain I mean like, remember,
Speaker 2: I've lived in two worlds, Like I've lived in the
Speaker 2: political White House world and I've lived in like the
Speaker 2: Philly world, and I think that they are completely separate.
Speaker 2: I think they don't listen to each other. I think
Speaker 2: that like the political world is full of our amazing
Speaker 2: black women politicals and journalists and all that. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: when's the last time you'll actually been in the streets,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like to be honest, like
Speaker 2: you're talking from a pulpit, So when's the last time
Speaker 2: you actually talked to people in the streets instead of
Speaker 2: talking on behalf of people in the streets. And I
Speaker 2: just I'm just hoping that we can kind of I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to coom baya. We don't all need to intermingle,
Speaker 2: but there needs to be some more There needs to
Speaker 2: be some more conversations, some real conversations around stuff. And
Speaker 2: like it's like, yeah, I get in no respect disrespect
Speaker 2: to anybody, but I get people's profession, but it's just like, again,
Speaker 2: when was the last time you actually spend time in
Speaker 2: a community for real, for real, not for your job,
Speaker 2: but for real.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that we we open the flood gates
Speaker 2: and stop being all like you know, I'm over here,
Speaker 2: hoity twitty. You don't have an invite? That's just corny.
Speaker 3: You don't you don't have an invite. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: M No, I think it's Crockett. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's so real, so authentic, like you
Speaker 1: just know that she is still you know, down with
Speaker 1: the people, and she's like in Texas and with her people.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's so refreshed for me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, a black woman, that's not code switching,
Speaker 1: you know. Well during a congressional hearing, it's fresh.
Speaker 3: That part, but like, yeah, the respectability piece really does
Speaker 3: raise questions about whose contribution is valuable, right, like who
Speaker 3: does get the invite? H and who does who deserves
Speaker 3: or doesn't deserve to be in the room. And it's
Speaker 3: like no, it's I mean, like what happened to strength
Speaker 3: and numbers? You know? I think you know, and for
Speaker 3: all the talk about you know, black women are not
Speaker 3: a monolith, or you know black people are not a monolith. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, then let's show the range of those black
Speaker 3: folks and and and and bring all of their perspectives
Speaker 3: to what this work is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that that's why
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes I go in rooms it's like
Speaker 2: we're working on behalf of black women in America, and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, that's interesting because this room looks like
Speaker 2: the top tier of Black women in America. So I
Speaker 2: just and that's cool.
Speaker 3: These black women seem to be doing Okay, say that
Speaker 3: that on mind.
Speaker 2: We should we should party, do whatever you want to do,
Speaker 2: but say that, like we coming together and have a
Speaker 2: good time. Just say that because that's enough that we
Speaker 2: allowed the joy like that. But don't be like, you know,
Speaker 2: we're here to represent the poor and this that where
Speaker 2: they at? Though? Where at? Because I can represent themselves themselves.
Speaker 2: So that's what I mean by that, Mandy, to go
Speaker 2: back to, you know, I have no behavior.
Speaker 1: Yes, So what made y'all say yes? Why did y'all
Speaker 1: want to be here?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: My god, Andy, it's always a yes from you. Are
Speaker 3: you kidding? Me, and I mean Dsha's icing on the cake.
Speaker 3: So like, no, this was this was an automatic yess.
Speaker 3: But I do think I have found myself gravitating to
Speaker 3: spaces where I can be hearing from other black women,
Speaker 3: where I'm in conversation with other black women about what
Speaker 3: this moment means, uh, specifically for us.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, the nineteenth is named for the nineteenth Amendment,
Speaker 3: and I went into the election feeling like it was
Speaker 3: largely an election about the until business is the nineteenth Amendment? Right?
Speaker 3: So like, especially as it pertains to race and gender, right,
Speaker 3: So like, what is the unfinished business of the nineteenth
Speaker 3: Amendment specifically for black women? Like I'm thinking about that constantly,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, this is just like one more opportunity
Speaker 3: to be able to think about and talk about that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, obviously I'm here.
Speaker 1: Okay, good?
Speaker 2: And I had I saw Aaron Hayes and I was like, oh, oh.
Speaker 1: Oh, soe y'all go way back. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the prize, but what did y'all meet? How far back
Speaker 1: to y'all got?
Speaker 2: We met a long time ago, but Aaron was my
Speaker 2: conversation partner in Philly for the book. I was well yeah,
Speaker 2: before before she left us, but yes, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 3: Please don't ask me our origin story becau D. She's
Speaker 3: like one of those people's like I don't remember not
Speaker 3: knowing her. I mean obviously during during the Obama era,
Speaker 3: but like, I really don't. I could not tell you
Speaker 3: the first time that we actually interacted. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like I just you know, she was just one
Speaker 3: of those people that of course that you collect, I mean,
Speaker 3: you can't help it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I love the way you put that collect
Speaker 2: and I think that there's that and I think that
Speaker 2: also just like I you know, I'm always vocal, so
Speaker 2: it's not a big deal, but I think people know
Speaker 2: me as a diplomatic vocal in a way or whatever.
Speaker 2: So sometimes my opinions or thoughts about the world aren't
Speaker 2: they I don't really give it out in a lot
Speaker 2: of spaces in like a journalist way. So I think
Speaker 2: that the way I feel right now is like, I mean,
Speaker 2: gloves have always been off from Philly, but I feel
Speaker 2: like it's one of these things where right now I'm
Speaker 2: just like I don't it's not I don't care who
Speaker 2: doesn't get offended, but it's just like I'm over it,
Speaker 2: like I'm just over it, Like I'm over us being
Speaker 2: in different spaces. I'm over you know, us feeling like
Speaker 2: we're not qualified. We have to change ourselves like I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm done. And so any opportunity to be with black
Speaker 2: women and make sure that we reinforce that for each
Speaker 2: other just by our presence is I'm going to those things.
Speaker 2: And also to say space is the same space for
Speaker 2: us to be together, like that's not always the case.
Speaker 2: I see for Aaron going out and doing her job,
Speaker 2: like it's not safe out there for us everywhere. So
Speaker 2: if there's a space where we can be together, like
Speaker 2: a safe space for us to talk, like, count me in.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show up pajama's hair and a bonnet whatever,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show.
Speaker 3: Up, not a bonnet.
Speaker 2: Yes, my birthday party was like my birthday dinner. I said,
Speaker 2: everybody come as is. We had black women at our
Speaker 2: little table. Everybody came as is, hair, rats the job,
Speaker 2: Like it was just like this is just our space.
Speaker 1: I can't know my bonnets. My sons steal them and
Speaker 1: they think they're fun hats.
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm a chef, Come on, chef's hat costs.
Speaker 3: So it's not a good bonnet. Not the good bonnet.
Speaker 2: This is long.
Speaker 3: It's all I got.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's a parachute for my my monster truck.
Speaker 1: No it's not. But okay, if it gets.
Speaker 2: I love the imagination, right man.
Speaker 1: I Also, I don't know if I if I'm naive
Speaker 1: or what, but certain some big things happen the summer
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty and before that that like completely disillusioned
Speaker 1: me from the idea that I could really bring my
Speaker 1: whole self to a corporate space. And I just want to, like,
Speaker 1: I want to hold space and just acknowledge the women
Speaker 1: of color who are still out there working in these
Speaker 1: spaces where they are you know, the first a few,
Speaker 1: the onlyes the difference, and are existing in that space.
Speaker 1: I'm lucky that I was able to branch out and
Speaker 1: start my own thing at a pivotal time when I
Speaker 1: was just you know, you know, like thrown on my
Speaker 1: ass and given that big wake up call. And I
Speaker 1: almost feel like there's this this shift now where we
Speaker 1: are not playing the game anymore. It's like we're not
Speaker 1: like a lot of women, like we're not trying to
Speaker 1: coach switch, We're not trying as hard to believe them
Speaker 1: when they say that we're valued and that we have these,
Speaker 1: you know, programs to advance you in your career, and
Speaker 1: we really want you, we want this diversity. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just feel like this country has shown us one
Speaker 1: too many times that it actually doesn't value us or
Speaker 1: and it won't it won't. Like we can't rely on
Speaker 1: them to give us a seat at any table, and
Speaker 1: if we want to be at those tables, we have
Speaker 1: to do it our damn selves, with each other's support one.
Speaker 2: And what I would say to that too is I
Speaker 2: feel like this is a feeling that I've had for
Speaker 2: so long, for years and years, but you know, there
Speaker 2: wasn't a platform. We didn't you know, we have more
Speaker 2: social media to talk about things now, more ways to connect.
Speaker 2: So you sit in isolation thinking that it's just you,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, who thinks this way or
Speaker 2: experiencing Then all of a sudden we find out that
Speaker 2: it's so many of us, which is disturbing, but also
Speaker 2: it's just like there's a comfort of being like, oh,
Speaker 2: nothing's wrong with me, something's wrong with y'all, Like you know,
Speaker 2: there and I think that we are finally like that's
Speaker 2: all rising to the surface of being like no, like
Speaker 2: it's not but it's not us, like it's y'all, like
Speaker 2: something's wrong, and now we can talk to each other
Speaker 2: and have these conversations just to know that, you know,
Speaker 2: we're dope human beings, like of course this country doesn't
Speaker 2: love us back, but we love ourselves. And I think that,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been very blessed that black women have
Speaker 2: been in my corner hell a high water and have not.
Speaker 2: You know, some definitely disappointed me, like just human beings,
Speaker 2: but for the most part, like listen, I'm ready to
Speaker 2: you know, I'm right, and I'm right. Everybody knows I'm
Speaker 2: always ready to fight.
Speaker 1: So how did you survive in the White House? I
Speaker 1: can't think of a more I can't think of a
Speaker 1: more like majority white institution where like authenticity is such
Speaker 1: bullshit and when if they say that, they don't mean that,
Speaker 1: you know, like Michelle Obama did not like she's silk
Speaker 1: pressed for that long because she knew one and you.
Speaker 2: See she got braids now, yes, and we're done, we're
Speaker 2: done with the nights to see.
Speaker 1: Her be free. And she's like, no, I'm not going,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. But how did you survive in
Speaker 1: the White House? D show like yourself?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think one of the things for me is
Speaker 2: that I went there when I was in my thirty
Speaker 2: so it's a little bit different. And I've never I
Speaker 2: never had an eye on Washington. I didn't even know
Speaker 2: what it was like, and so I went in as
Speaker 2: like this person who had this magical like the Obamas,
Speaker 2: and how can I take the stuff I know in
Speaker 2: Philly to the White House. So I never I didn't
Speaker 2: want to stay after that. I didn't want a career,
Speaker 2: so I didn't. It was a different vibe that I
Speaker 2: was like, how can I go here and make change
Speaker 2: and do some things? But then dip like I'm out,
Speaker 2: Like I'm not, you know. So I think that I
Speaker 2: never was snowed like I want to go to this
Speaker 2: party and there's nothing wrong with going. But I never
Speaker 2: really cared about those invites or being seen. I was
Speaker 2: just like, I just love what I do enough, and
Speaker 2: so I you know, I survived barely. You know, it
Speaker 2: was definitely like a black president and first Lady doth
Speaker 2: not make you know, an entire comfortable environment for anybody,
Speaker 2: because there was still a lot of whiteness I had
Speaker 2: to go through, you know, but I was okay with that,
Speaker 2: and I'm still okay with that. I'm okay with being
Speaker 2: talked about, and I'm okay with not getting invites to
Speaker 2: stuff or being that one who brings up black stuff
Speaker 2: that I'm good, I'm doing great and so yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know, I mean I.
Speaker 3: Think the thing too, dsha Abauta. I mean, yes, we
Speaker 3: are definitely gonna bring it back to the Philly of
Speaker 3: it all, because it's like, well, first of all, I'm
Speaker 3: from Philly, So like, do you really think that you
Speaker 3: can intimidate like you you would not be the most
Speaker 3: intimidating person that I've ever encountered, right like like it
Speaker 3: like in the White House, that's number one. And I
Speaker 3: think too, I mean, I love, I do think. Like
Speaker 3: I said, I don't remember our origin story exactly, but
Speaker 3: what I do remember, No, what I do remember is that, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is somebody who is so unapologetic and so like
Speaker 3: outspoken just about you know, the path that got her
Speaker 3: to this place. Like I went to community college too,
Speaker 3: but I didn't think about how like formative that was
Speaker 3: or like how important it was even to signal to
Speaker 3: other people like, yes, somebody that went to community college
Speaker 3: is now at this point in their career like this
Speaker 3: amazing this person who you think is like fully formed
Speaker 3: and has like made it or what. No, like you
Speaker 3: need to understand that this was part of the journey
Speaker 3: and shout out to you know, community college. Have just
Speaker 3: listening to this pod right now because like that.
Speaker 1: Was saving that money, saving him thousands of dollars and
Speaker 1: not going into debt.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly. You think this is the hardest thing I've
Speaker 3: ever done, or you think that this is this you
Speaker 3: think you people are you know, the scariest people I've
Speaker 3: ever come up against.
Speaker 2: No, and thank you for that. I think that thank
Speaker 2: you for this love fast that we could before. But
Speaker 2: I was gonna say too. And the thing is like
Speaker 2: my life that there's so mu stuff has happened in
Speaker 2: my life that's even not in the book. But I
Speaker 2: think that people didn't understand that when I came to
Speaker 2: the White House, I had been through so much that
Speaker 2: I don't think I need to justify it or say
Speaker 2: for to get people's sympathy or empathy. So when stuff happened,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think you understand I'm not
Speaker 2: here to get my name known. I'm here so I
Speaker 2: can make sure my nieces and nephews go to college.
Speaker 2: I'm here to make sure I can retire. I'm making
Speaker 2: sure that if a medical bill comes up with my family,
Speaker 2: I'm able to help pay it. So we on different
Speaker 2: we on different playing grounds. You're like, you're not the same,
Speaker 2: We're not the same, and that's okay, that's completely fine.
Speaker 2: So I was on a different track to be like,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, let me figure this out.
Speaker 2: And I'm still figuring it out. But anyway, that's why
Speaker 2: I love y'all because I met you on that track.
Speaker 2: So yes, something right.
Speaker 1: All right, Aaron? So what are you thinking like for
Speaker 1: the nineteenth move? I mean, you have a podcast, you
Speaker 1: have a platform, you work for this organization. I sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm I'm obviously so proud of you at
Speaker 1: everything you've accomplished, but I'm also happy for you to
Speaker 1: be at a platform like this where you don't have
Speaker 1: to leave your identity at the door, which I think
Speaker 1: for when I was, you know, when I was coming
Speaker 1: up and studying journalism, that was still sort of the expectation.
Speaker 1: And you're objective, So how do you approach the work now,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a important that ever, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's it's an important question, I think,
Speaker 3: especially at this moment. I mean, obviously we're entering, you know,
Speaker 3: this this new era in our politics. But it also
Speaker 3: happens this month to be the fifth anniversary of the nineteenth.
Speaker 3: If you don't believe it, we're already oh yes, yes,
Speaker 3: about to turn don listen take hello, yes do like Mandy,
Speaker 3: people hit that button. But no, I mean I think
Speaker 3: you know, we launched a week before the Iowa caucuses
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. I was at the Associated Press, which
Speaker 3: had been my dream job, the place that really raised
Speaker 3: me journalistically, but like, my voice was also very much
Speaker 3: that of an Associated Press newsperson, right, and you know,
Speaker 3: even as national writer on race, which is the job
Speaker 3: that I had before I became editor at large. As
Speaker 3: the nineteenth, like, I mean, yes, yes, I think that
Speaker 3: people could tell, you know, like when they were reading
Speaker 3: an Aaron Haynes story, like when they were seeing my byline.
Speaker 3: But I do think that I have found my voice
Speaker 3: so much more, you know, at the nineteenth, like people, really,
Speaker 3: I really do feel like I'm in conversation with our
Speaker 3: audiences and that's really important to me. So I have
Speaker 3: to say, I mean, we're recording this podcast on the
Speaker 3: day after, you know, day one of this new administration,
Speaker 3: and I cannot say how proud I was to be
Speaker 3: working at the nineteenth on that day because the way
Speaker 3: that we just really did journalism that met the moment
Speaker 3: that we were in, I mean just all over the
Speaker 3: executive orders, all over you know, kind of the optics
Speaker 3: and the rhetoric of that day. I wrote a column
Speaker 3: about the fact that, you know, Vice President Harris and
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton literally had to sit there watching as the
Speaker 3: person that defeated them, you know, was being sworn into
Speaker 3: office for the second time. It was it was a lot,
Speaker 3: but we were ready. And so like I am in
Speaker 3: this moment, I cannot say how energized I feel to
Speaker 3: be doing this work at a place that you know,
Speaker 3: obviously we thought that it was needed five years ago,
Speaker 3: but like five years ago, this was a president that
Speaker 3: was on his way out of office, and at our
Speaker 3: five year anniversary, this is somebody who is coming back
Speaker 3: into office. And so what does that mean for the
Speaker 3: people that we like for and about.
Speaker 2: I will say I want I love one Aaronfast too,
Speaker 2: because I will say that even if you don't read
Speaker 2: it's her name on the thing, you almost I almost
Speaker 2: know it's Aaron. Like sometimes I'll just start reading something
Speaker 2: without knowing who it is. But the fact that it
Speaker 2: talks about different perspectives and it's talked to people in
Speaker 2: the community is very not just people you know that
Speaker 2: are at the park or whatever. Like Aaron really does
Speaker 2: that well. And I'm so I always know what I'm reading.
Speaker 2: I'm like, who is it? Because I'm like, is I'm
Speaker 2: a new journalist? Oh I was a you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like it's like, oh, no, was Aaron? Of course?
Speaker 2: Is Aaron? You know what I mean? So I love
Speaker 2: I love reading as.
Speaker 1: I do too, especially the Hillary and the Kamala. At
Speaker 1: that moment, it is like you looking for Okay, so
Speaker 1: what are the stories through my POV that I think
Speaker 1: are for you to sort of like making, you know
Speaker 1: how like when a lens and a camera lens like
Speaker 1: zooms in and the rest kind of fades out and
Speaker 1: you just like zero one of those little moments and yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and to humanize them as two women
Speaker 1: who are I don't know how hard it must have
Speaker 1: been to be in those seats. But I'm glad that
Speaker 1: you were there to like shine a light on or
Speaker 1: even just try to imagine for them what it might be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and to encourage us. All. One person who got a
Speaker 1: lot of shine was Katanji Brown Jackson. Yes, she showed up,
Speaker 1: and I mean she was like the only highlight. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I went out.
Speaker 3: I Vogue learn Vogue Vogue learned what Karras shells were yesterday.
Speaker 1: That I think a lot of people did. To be fair,
Speaker 1: I did not know the significance I had only I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like they were just one of those imagery,
Speaker 1: like so much imagery. It makes sense, but I never
Speaker 1: had looked into the the history of the Carie shell.
Speaker 1: Did they find out who made it for her?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean but it was it
Speaker 3: is so it was so beautiful and like to I
Speaker 3: mean obviously, like there are no cameras in the Supreme Court,
Speaker 3: so you know, it made me wonder, like how many
Speaker 3: times has she worn that on the bench and you know,
Speaker 3: because like that is her. I don't know what they
Speaker 3: can do, bib Doley, I don't know what. Obviously I'm
Speaker 3: not a Supreme Court justice. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like like like to envision her actually wearing that on
Speaker 3: the court like that just I mean, yeah, representation matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's also something that brings her peace.
Speaker 2: Like I know sometimes I'll wear something or do something
Speaker 2: not even for representation, but it brings me peace and
Speaker 2: may bring an So like, yeah, you brings you closer
Speaker 2: to like you know, you're at the Supreme Court and
Speaker 2: you're in you know, the chambers or whatever, and you
Speaker 2: know you're communities out there, but they're kind of far,
Speaker 2: you know, they're not with you. Sometimes you do feel
Speaker 2: like I have this close to me, and I feel
Speaker 2: it gives me a little bit of reassurance that like
Speaker 2: I'm close to my center, you know. So I think
Speaker 2: that that also for me, is what I saw in
Speaker 2: that yesterday, is like I'm close to my I'm not
Speaker 2: even I wasn't even trying to wear this for everybody.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to wear it from me, so I don't
Speaker 2: look if you buck you know. So I think that
Speaker 2: it's just like you know, like this is you know
Speaker 2: right here, which I think is beautiful.
Speaker 3: And I think it is a I mean, it is
Speaker 3: a signal to black Americans, his Western right. I mean,
Speaker 3: they see that that they may not know the entire significance,
Speaker 3: but they're like, Okay, this is a statement. This is
Speaker 3: this is definitely a stef And that was I mean
Speaker 3: I mentioned even in the column, you know, just I
Speaker 3: mean Hillary Clinton had on like this blue that you
Speaker 3: just really couldn't miss. And then you know, and I
Speaker 3: thought back to, you know, twenty seventeen when she was
Speaker 3: at inauguration when she had to watch him get toorn
Speaker 3: in the first time. You know, she's wearing like this
Speaker 3: suffrage white suit and it was a suit that she
Speaker 3: would have worn she been taking the oath of office.
Speaker 3: So like I mean, for especially for women, there's always
Speaker 3: you know, fashion is political, like there's always a statement
Speaker 3: like ps I mean, uh, Milania Trump definitely was making
Speaker 3: a statement yesterday too with that happening. I don't know
Speaker 3: what the statement was, but she.
Speaker 1: Was making one.
Speaker 3: I didn't see her ass for the entire day.
Speaker 1: Were you there, Aaron or were you watching? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was in the warm embrace of my living room.
Speaker 2: Okay, safe safe.
Speaker 1: Mark say, during the inauguration of yahow five oh Man,
Speaker 1: So Disha, you know you have been active in the
Speaker 1: I don't know how active, but I was one of
Speaker 1: the forty thousand who finally realized women when with black
Speaker 1: women was a thing over the summer when Kamala when
Speaker 1: I think it was yeah, when Joe So when Biden
Speaker 1: had backed out of the race and the door that
Speaker 1: Sunday and that was my and and since then I
Speaker 1: have been to many a Sunday call and I was
Speaker 1: sad they didn't have one this past Sunday. I can
Speaker 1: see why, but for me, it's just kind of become
Speaker 1: a church like experience. I just go to just listen
Speaker 1: and to you know, I put it on while I'm
Speaker 1: doing dishes. But Dshai saw that you had and you
Speaker 1: spoke about this too when you were on for BA.
Speaker 1: Like to think about the employees of the White House
Speaker 1: that are going out and going out into the job market,
Speaker 1: and could you speak a little bit on that, like
Speaker 1: what it's like to be kicked out of a job
Speaker 1: at a time like this and what it'll look like
Speaker 1: for them path forward career wise.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and I'll give a shout out to
Speaker 2: Joetaka because I think one of the reasons why I
Speaker 2: like that call so much is because you don't have
Speaker 2: to be a certain anything to join that call you
Speaker 2: set that backs us to a phone. You know, there
Speaker 2: is no there is no any open. Everything's open. You know.
Speaker 2: If you want to join the call about fundraising with
Speaker 2: Star Jones, feel free. If you want to join the
Speaker 2: North Carolina delegation field free. There is no gatekeeping in that.
Speaker 2: And I think that I try to get that message out,
Speaker 2: like just join and see what sticks with you. Don't
Speaker 2: got to be you know whatever. So that's what I
Speaker 2: really love it call. So I'll say that, but I
Speaker 2: think you know, when I left, I was definitely in
Speaker 2: for root awakening. I mean, like, nobody tells you that
Speaker 2: you know you got I got this high profile job,
Speaker 2: like yeah, I can run Google, Like what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? And then like you go there, You're like,
Speaker 2: oh wait, I can't. No, I can't do that, but
Speaker 2: but I welcome the Pope. No, I can't do that.
Speaker 2: I remember the kids graduating from college, black kids and
Speaker 2: go into politics, and I was like, they're graduating during
Speaker 2: the Trump administration and during the pandemic, Like how to
Speaker 2: help these kids won't get these jobs? And so I
Speaker 2: started something called Call and Response just trying to help
Speaker 2: them navigate it a little bit, and I then stopped
Speaker 2: it because you know, my energy be like going on.
Speaker 2: And then I started again for Black forty six, which
Speaker 2: is the black employees of the Harris Walls campaign or
Speaker 2: the left about the administration of Biden Harris. And I
Speaker 2: think that what I'm finding is a lot of them
Speaker 2: are just not and how would they be. This is
Speaker 2: not their fault that like you're coming out in the
Speaker 2: world that like you're not as marketable because you work
Speaker 2: for a democratic president and all this is under attack
Speaker 2: what you worked for. So companies and corporations are going
Speaker 2: to be like, how can you help us on the
Speaker 2: inside get the things that we need when you don't
Speaker 2: know nobody there? When you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: it's a reality and its value, it's not value. So
Speaker 2: I think that for me, I try to have like
Speaker 2: we had some prayer calls, we did mental health sessions,
Speaker 2: we took a COMMS call, we did we have an LGBTQ,
Speaker 2: black and queer coming up. And I think that I
Speaker 2: just want to provide them space to be like we
Speaker 2: could talk about it. Here's people who went through it
Speaker 2: from the Obama years. But Also I have a jobs
Speaker 2: board where like all my friends who are hired in
Speaker 2: different places, they give me their jobs and I can say, like, hey,
Speaker 2: my homegirl's applying, this person's applying, Like can you give
Speaker 2: them a boost, like, you know, look at their application.
Speaker 2: And that's all that I could really do. But it's
Speaker 2: really really hard because you know, you just so much.
Speaker 2: You know, you're so smart, you know you're so valued.
Speaker 2: But with all this stuff rolling back, nobody has accountability
Speaker 2: to give you a fair shot. And that's just real life.
Speaker 2: And you know, I came out of there. I went
Speaker 2: on unemployment child until somebody got pregnant. The Ford Foundation
Speaker 2: my friend and she was like, I need a coverage.
Speaker 2: I was like, child, sign me up, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. And that led to so much after that.
Speaker 2: But I had to really like remember who I was
Speaker 2: before I went in the White House, and that's what
Speaker 2: I lean on to survive plus all these experiences that
Speaker 2: I have. So I'm trying, and it's hard, especially for
Speaker 2: these folks that are like not known as much as
Speaker 2: other folks. You know, it's just like you know, and
Speaker 2: so I'm trying to help as much as I can.
Speaker 2: But then also, like you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 2: got to put my life jacket on too, because I'm
Speaker 2: gonna you know, I have my own business. So we're
Speaker 2: all in the business of trying to also make money
Speaker 2: for our families and friends and ourselves and at the
Speaker 2: same time. But it's rough because all these people are
Speaker 2: out of jobs, you know, and it's and it's not easy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Oh, I got you what you need a negotiation coach.
Speaker 1: I can come help them negotiation.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, me, I get the MA job out of your.
Speaker 1: AI for them resumes to fight the ats.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. And I think, I mean I need that,
Speaker 2: madam self. But I think that that's where that's what
Speaker 2: I try to do. And I think that part of
Speaker 2: I use the Black forty four network, So I just
Speaker 2: use the network of people that I worked with the help,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I mean I think that's just
Speaker 1: for anyone too, to understand that your job doesn't love
Speaker 1: you back, and you need to be wheeling, dealing, being
Speaker 1: strategic about your career behind the scenes to make sure
Speaker 1: that you're marketable, to make sure that you you know,
Speaker 1: you know how to interview in today's market. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about the lineup behind Trump yesterday. Again
Speaker 1: I didn't try to watch, but I heard Zuckerberg, Besos Musk,
Speaker 1: Tim Cook like it was a white man's Silicon Valley
Speaker 1: reunion up there, and it's just like, these are the
Speaker 1: leaders of these massive companies that so many of us,
Speaker 1: so many women's, many people of color like, would love
Speaker 1: to work at, and they're dismantling DEI programs like I
Speaker 1: used to, programs like you said, Aaron, and they are
Speaker 1: they are clearly doing what they got to do to
Speaker 1: survive really and to keep their valuations high on Wall Street.
Speaker 1: And it's the last like I mean, if that we
Speaker 1: needed one more signal, but that's just a big ass
Speaker 1: signal that we're not. They're not here to really uplift
Speaker 1: and support us no matter what it's. They will put
Speaker 1: their own life jackets on first, right, which.
Speaker 2: I think is also important of why I'm so big
Speaker 2: on like making sure that black women understand their core
Speaker 2: who they are and how amazing that they are, because
Speaker 2: you're going to get job rejections and you're going to
Speaker 2: get all these things, and after a while, you're going
Speaker 2: to start to think it's you, and it's like it's
Speaker 2: not you, and I want you to I want you
Speaker 2: to separate yourself from that only because you will get
Speaker 2: depressed thinking that you're not good enough. No no, no, no, it's
Speaker 2: not you. It's so that's why I also try to
Speaker 2: really pour into them, like I get it, Like I'm
Speaker 2: also speaking from privilege, you know, like I have a
Speaker 2: job and I have a husband, who you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, So I try to be really understanding. But
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want you to understand how wonderful you are.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how many times I have to
Speaker 2: tell you that, but I want to keep telling you
Speaker 2: because I can't get you all the jobs in the world.
Speaker 2: But I want you to understand that you're cure, that
Speaker 2: you're you're good. You're good, but a failure is not
Speaker 2: not getting a job has nothing to do with you, honey,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, And so that's why I try.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, I mean, and as somebody who uh,
Speaker 3: I will say, has a little bit more life experience,
Speaker 3: right than maybe a lot of these folks that you
Speaker 3: are talking to, that does matter because you know, as
Speaker 3: black women, like there will be professional setbacks in our
Speaker 3: careers like that, like you know, and this may be
Speaker 3: the first one for a lot of them or any
Speaker 3: marginalized folks like that, like you're going to have a
Speaker 3: professional setback, and so reminding folks in that moment that
Speaker 3: you need to tap into, right, the person that you
Speaker 3: were raised to be, tap into, you know the last
Speaker 3: time you you know, you overcame something, right, the last
Speaker 3: time that that or somebody in your life who overcame
Speaker 3: something that was a relative or a friend or somebody like,
Speaker 3: So that you know that like like you're going to
Speaker 3: be okay, right, like, and you're going to figure it out,
Speaker 3: because that's that's what we do. Yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, just just that that reminder when things
Speaker 3: feel especially hard is really really important because like we
Speaker 3: all have to tap into that at some point in
Speaker 3: our careers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and recognize that you have what you need to
Speaker 1: get through it.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: And one of the I just got finished with a
Speaker 1: really wonderful I did a five day career reboot challenge
Speaker 1: for women who were like stuck in their job search.
Speaker 1: And the first day I have them fill out this
Speaker 1: is a little aggressive, but a very long pedio. It's
Speaker 1: like nine I'll send it to if you guys want
Speaker 1: a nine pages just like really introspective questions, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the questions I'm asking are like, in a
Speaker 1: career crisis, here are the first three people I know
Speaker 1: I can call and they'll have my back end. The
Speaker 1: last time that I was able to get myself out
Speaker 1: of a challenging situation was you know, fill in the blank.
Speaker 1: And the reason I asked those questions because I do
Speaker 1: think that we lose sight of all the resources and
Speaker 1: the support network that we already have, because it can
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you're just like trying to make it.
Speaker 1: It's so ef and hard. We all know that. But
Speaker 1: to build that inner resilience and that trust in yourself
Speaker 1: that I got me at the end of the day
Speaker 1: that some somehow between like I don't know the time
Speaker 1: for me anyway, the time I graduated college to like
Speaker 1: becoming a mom and you know, starting a business and stuff.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just easy to lose sight of that and
Speaker 1: just feel so overwhelmed that you that inner power starts
Speaker 1: to dim. So I'm so glad that you you mentioned.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, first of all, send me that PDIA. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not stuck in mind.
Speaker 2: I was like me too.
Speaker 3: Here's the point of this like yes, Like for so
Speaker 3: many of us, we are so focused on just the
Speaker 3: incoming and triaging what is directly in front of us,
Speaker 3: like when is the last time maybe the pandemic honestly
Speaker 3: probably not for a lot of people, but like when
Speaker 3: you have a chance to actually sit still and ask
Speaker 3: yourself the big questions, right, like what it's the biggest
Speaker 3: dream that I could possibly have for myself? I remember
Speaker 3: somebody asked me that I have, Like a money coach
Speaker 3: asked me that maybe like five years ago, maybe a
Speaker 3: little longer ago, but I was like in my early forties,
Speaker 3: and they asked me this, and I was embarrassed because
Speaker 3: I really did not have an answer, like I had
Speaker 3: never deeply thought about like if there were no obstacles,
Speaker 3: if you could do anything that you wanted to do next,
Speaker 3: what would that be?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And so like to yes, maybe it's a long work cheap,
Speaker 3: but like yes, to be able to ask yourself the
Speaker 3: big questions and not just the how am I going
Speaker 3: to get through my day week month questions right to
Speaker 3: my next direct deposit questions like what like that that's
Speaker 3: true matters and that matters now, And I mean for
Speaker 3: these people that you're helping d show like this is
Speaker 3: a time for them to be able to ask themselves
Speaker 3: big questions, right to figure out what what what? How
Speaker 3: am I going to be intentional about the next thing
Speaker 3: that I do with all the gifts that I have?
Speaker 3: Mm hm like, because your gifts make room for you,
Speaker 3: but sometimes you got to make room for the gifts.
Speaker 2: Right, that's right, you gotta get off the way.
Speaker 3: That's what time it is right now. I agree, And
Speaker 3: I don't want people to lose sight of that, right
Speaker 3: because like there is a kind of doom and gloom
Speaker 3: hanging over for some people, right. I mean, let's be honest,
Speaker 3: ninety two percent of black women and and also a
Speaker 3: majority of black men, you know, vote did not vote
Speaker 3: for the president that we have now, and so they're
Speaker 3: just kind of wondering, how am I going to move forward?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 3: You know, where are my finding uh, you know, where
Speaker 3: are the wins for me? And you know, so asking
Speaker 3: those kinds of questions ensures that you were that you
Speaker 3: are still going to have wins regardless of who is who,
Speaker 3: who the occupant of the White House.
Speaker 1: Is, and how it is important. I mean obviously, like
Speaker 1: there was some executive orders past that impacted me personally,
Speaker 1: like no more federal employee hires temporary, like a freeze
Speaker 1: on federal employee hires. My husband's in the middle of
Speaker 1: a job offer that is now basically like poof gone.
Speaker 1: And I have my sister is married to a trans man.
Speaker 1: And yesterday it was like, well, there are going to
Speaker 1: be two genders. You know, that's America will only recognize
Speaker 1: two genders, Like what does it mean for them? And
Speaker 1: I there is that there is that anxiety of you
Speaker 1: know what that executive function can do? But then I
Speaker 1: for me, it just I mean I have a Sagittarius rising.
Speaker 1: I'm a Leo on and the Sagittarius rising, and like
Speaker 1: I'm deeply optimistic to the point where people are probably
Speaker 1: like girl, like get that pollyannathing off, like it's just
Speaker 1: like too much. But I am like deeply optimistic because
Speaker 1: I think that there are other ways that we can
Speaker 1: resist in other ways, you know, small at the state,
Speaker 1: local levels, you know, really engaging with your local politics
Speaker 1: and you know, supporting and protecting as much as you
Speaker 1: can those loved ones, those those neighbors, the ones that
Speaker 1: you know are even more vulnerable and this environment and
Speaker 1: sticking your necks out for other people and like contributing
Speaker 1: to your community. I mean, I think that for me
Speaker 1: is how I'm trying to focus. And I feel like
Speaker 1: every time I come to this microphone, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: do I say to her to make her feel more
Speaker 1: empowered and like everything that y'all are saying, more empowered
Speaker 1: and brave enough to think about what do I want
Speaker 1: for myself and to feel like it's possible in spite
Speaker 1: of all this, yeah, you know going on in the background,
Speaker 1: and we just have more examples of it too, seeing
Speaker 1: each other's thrive.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Like the importance of being feeling seen in
Speaker 3: a moment where it feels like certain communities, certain people
Speaker 3: are being erased, is very important, especially you know, for
Speaker 3: us going into this moment, Like, there are real people
Speaker 3: on the receiving end of policy, and we need to
Speaker 3: tell the stories of people who are on the receiving
Speaker 3: end of policy. What does this mean for you? You know,
Speaker 3: executive order that may seem like some abstract thing that's
Speaker 3: far away that doesn't like, No, like, this is affecting people,
Speaker 3: and it is also like and there are people who
Speaker 3: care about them, right, so who need to read these stories?
Speaker 3: Who need to hear from from these people who are all,
Speaker 3: you know, a part of our democracy, you know, whether
Speaker 3: everybody realizes it or not, like we are, we are
Speaker 3: all part of this country.
Speaker 1: And and.
Speaker 3: You know, regardless of how you voted, you may not
Speaker 3: care about politics, but politics cares about you and and
Speaker 3: and we're seeing that even in just the first hours
Speaker 3: of the of this new administration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so sure on news sites today, y'all. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to say the.
Speaker 3: Nineteenth is here for you whenever you whenever I was going.
Speaker 2: To say, like that's why I feel the Nineteenth is good.
Speaker 1: And some of them from y'all and many fewer from
Speaker 1: the AP I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to pay attention to I just I can't.
Speaker 2: I think that. Also, I like getting my reportings from
Speaker 2: black women, so I feel like it's somebody who understands
Speaker 2: what I'm going through. And I'm just like everybody else
Speaker 2: gon have to read it too, because well.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, you know, like news fatigue is real, y'all, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I get it. I mean I was not nearly as
Speaker 3: locked in as I normally am. You know, the way
Speaker 3: my director positive set up after you know, like during
Speaker 3: the holidays, like I was like, you know what it's
Speaker 3: if I don't read every single thing, or if I'm
Speaker 3: not you know, watching MSNBC all day long, like it's oh,
Speaker 3: it is really okay, okay, Like it's all going to
Speaker 3: be there when I get back, to be honest. And
Speaker 3: so but like, I know, you know, so many of
Speaker 3: the people in my life who do not do this work,
Speaker 3: who are not in politics, who are not in journalism, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is not their life does not revolve around this, right,
Speaker 3: And so just kind of getting back to that, remembering
Speaker 3: that like grass that that yes, like that's that's super important. So, no,
Speaker 3: you do not, none of us have to consume all
Speaker 3: the news, but like it is important to me that
Speaker 3: when people do decide to you know, of all the
Speaker 3: things that they could be doing, you know that they're
Speaker 3: going to read a nineteen story Like what is it
Speaker 3: that we are giving them? Yeah, and I mean we
Speaker 3: want to obviously cover what's happening, but but also like
Speaker 3: what is happening includes joyful things, It includes you know,
Speaker 3: writing about the doers in our democracy and what that
Speaker 3: looks like. So yeah, I mean I think there's a
Speaker 3: way to not just talk about politics, but to just
Speaker 3: talk about you know, gender and society. That feels very
Speaker 3: urgent to us right now too.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 3: And that's what you're doing, Mandy, Like, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to talk about all the things.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I had an opportunity with BA after
Speaker 1: you know, Tiffany announced she was leaving the show and
Speaker 1: I had and I love her. She was trying to
Speaker 1: interrupt our call. I had to turn my phone off.
Speaker 1: I'm like Tiffany, but she breaks through my favorites. She
Speaker 1: can get through the D and D setting.
Speaker 3: Oh she's a breakthrough. Okay, but no, I had to
Speaker 3: ask family. Oh, yes, and they can break through, that's family.
Speaker 1: And she yeah. So she really presented me with the
Speaker 1: biggest gift, you know, to give me a new beginning
Speaker 1: that I don't think many of us get after college
Speaker 1: graduation or school graduation. It really felt like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is your you know, this is the moment when you
Speaker 1: get to decide what's the next four years of your
Speaker 1: life going to be like graduatings. And I haven't felt
Speaker 1: that excited about anything really, I mean maybe since since
Speaker 1: the last time I was kicked in my booty, uh
Speaker 1: you know, and left corporate and then started the Mandy
Speaker 1: money Makers and all of that. But with Brown Ambition,
Speaker 1: I was like, I have an opportunity to make this
Speaker 1: show matter. I mean, it always has mattered, but to
Speaker 1: just enhance it so much more. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that I was thinking about with Brown Ambition is,
Speaker 1: you know, I really want to lean into the title
Speaker 1: itself Brown Ambition. It was always meant to be, like
Speaker 1: you said, like, we're not a monolith. I want to
Speaker 1: have all different types of voices. I love it when
Speaker 1: I have people on here on the Brown Table who
Speaker 1: don't agree with me on something, and I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: like let's let's get into it. Let's debate a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's tussle.
Speaker 1: Yes, not the Philly tussle, Dsha tussle, now know I understand,
Speaker 1: I don't, but yeah, it's like intellectual tussle. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: And I just think that's what be a family, that's
Speaker 1: what they need more than ever, is just a place
Speaker 1: where they can hear us just like you know, validating
Speaker 1: that experience and supporting one another.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's something too to be said about
Speaker 2: when I feel like when black women especially get together
Speaker 2: and we can disagree about things, but one of those
Speaker 2: things is not our humanity or our self respect and
Speaker 2: a lot and most times when you're talking to other people,
Speaker 2: you ain't you can't even get to the subject because
Speaker 2: you still back at like, do I matter, Like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So you're still back at square one,
Speaker 2: which is do you see me as humans? Do you
Speaker 2: respect me? Do you recognize my dignity? So I feel
Speaker 2: like with us, it's just like we don't got to
Speaker 2: go to that part. But we may not agree on
Speaker 2: some stuff, but one thing that we do agree on
Speaker 2: is that you know, we deserve dignity and self respect
Speaker 2: and that we are the top of the mountain over here.
Speaker 2: Like so even if we don't, you know, we at
Speaker 2: the top of the mountain disagreement, but we at this
Speaker 2: mountain together. And I think that that's the difference of
Speaker 2: when I talk to black women and frankly black men
Speaker 2: and black queer folks, is that we do have we
Speaker 2: definitely there. We don't agree on all things, but we
Speaker 2: do agree on our self dignity and self respect. So
Speaker 2: we don't have to start from grant, we don't have
Speaker 2: to start from zero because you know other people are
Speaker 2: just like, well, let me first find out if who
Speaker 2: even like black people before we start this conversation. It's
Speaker 2: like saying, who got time for that? Like by the
Speaker 2: time we've done that, like that's what a civility conversation,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, y'all got that because I just like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I just like we
Speaker 2: talking about it, mid do I deserve human rights? Like
Speaker 2: what are we talking about? Like democracy? Like like I'm
Speaker 2: just like, so that's why I don't mind talking to
Speaker 2: black women or whatever, because I'm like like, at least
Speaker 2: we're starting from zero, child, like you know, like you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's different, you know it's different.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of touching grass, I want to know what
Speaker 1: what's given y'all joy these days? Like how are you
Speaker 1: investing in yourselves? How are you taking care yourselves? Tell me?
Speaker 1: And if.
Speaker 2: I've been on Aaron's Instagram, I'm stalking like a mud
Speaker 2: where I don't know where it was where you were, Oh,
Speaker 2: I'll definitely call you out because shot it that played
Speaker 2: some fabulous I screen shot it and I was like
Speaker 2: vision board when West was like are we covering pe girl?
Speaker 1: Journalists retreat where you guys go and take like matching,
Speaker 1: No photos and you all amazing.
Speaker 3: No, but I'm looking looking forward to our annual trip
Speaker 3: this year. Shout out to Mama Shaddy crew. But so
Speaker 3: this it's it's funny that you bring that up, Dha,
Speaker 3: because I actually so last year during the holidays, No.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three, during the holidays, I had found this
Speaker 3: deal and booked this trip to Anguilla, and I was
Speaker 3: so excited because I was like, oh, we've never been
Speaker 3: to Anguilla before. You know, it got closer and closer.
Speaker 3: In surprise, Kamala Harris's a nominee for president, so I
Speaker 3: know there was no Labor Day weekend getaway, okay, like
Speaker 3: that was not an option. So like, but I'm postponing
Speaker 3: this trip and I'm pushing it back and I'm pushing
Speaker 3: it back and I'm pushing it back. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: we don't have time. We don't have time, but also
Speaker 3: like we're burned out, so like we need a vacation.
Speaker 3: And you know, the last time I tried to push
Speaker 3: it back, the hotel was literally like, ma'am, if you
Speaker 3: don't come down here, you are losing your deposit. And
Speaker 3: I was just like no, no, like let me, let's
Speaker 3: we got to figure this out, and so we finally
Speaker 3: ended up going. I guess it was yeah, like right
Speaker 3: after Thanksgiving, and I could not have been more grateful
Speaker 3: that I really yet, like we just decided that we
Speaker 3: were gonna do this, even though like, yes it was
Speaker 3: you know, getting your together, did I know? I was like,
Speaker 3: I ain't got time to go shopping before, I don't
Speaker 3: have time for any that, but like, we're going to
Speaker 3: make this happen. I'm so glad that we made the
Speaker 3: decision to make it happen because we needed it. And
Speaker 3: it was beautiful and there were all these black folks
Speaker 3: working at this resort that just were so excited to
Speaker 3: see us coming and took such an excellence care of us.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I felt, yeah, like it really was
Speaker 3: like a home away from home. And even though it
Speaker 3: was just like it was like four or five days,
Speaker 3: but like that was enough. That was enough time to
Speaker 3: recharge and just to not be on a screen, to
Speaker 3: not be thinking about anything else except the pool and
Speaker 3: my next rum punch. I just had a friend, my
Speaker 3: friend for her birthday, her birthday president from her husband
Speaker 3: slash small children. Was you know that she got to
Speaker 3: be by herself on a hotel. Yes, and it's like
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm going to send this to
Speaker 1: my husband, just as.
Speaker 2: I was going to.
Speaker 3: You're doing whatever you want to do. I love that
Speaker 3: riot so like beautiful, that's you. If nothing else, you're
Speaker 3: getting one of those vacations this year. Many we're manifesting.
Speaker 3: We're manifesting that.
Speaker 1: For you, manifested by disappearing and just do it myself.
Speaker 1: See you, you can't wait for other people to create
Speaker 1: the space for you as you like. I am the planner.
Speaker 1: I am the one who gets.
Speaker 2: I think what I think. You know, my husband's a planner,
Speaker 2: but I think the issue is that you know, he's
Speaker 2: a group and he's a I won't say he gets.
Speaker 2: He liked the discount deals and I'm sling about the
Speaker 2: discount deals that be like, you know, just because it's
Speaker 2: just like we're in a Ruba. I know that the
Speaker 2: hotel may have roaches, but you know what we and
Speaker 2: I've been like sir, sir, so let me just handle it,
Speaker 2: because that's why I do like it's not RelA.
Speaker 3: Why would he do that to you? His former social
Speaker 3: secretary you.
Speaker 1: The Obama's vacation to be.
Speaker 3: At a certain level, you have to say, I kind
Speaker 3: to do it with a budget.
Speaker 2: So but he's very sweet. But I think that for me,
Speaker 2: like I'm getting in touch with all the things that
Speaker 2: I think I missed. Like I feel like when you
Speaker 2: come around, like I just turned forty seven, and I
Speaker 2: feel like when you come around, like you start to
Speaker 2: see the other side of like your life and be like,
Speaker 2: oh I miss that, like I miss it. Like West
Speaker 2: brought me a sewing machine for my birthdays, I like
Speaker 2: want to start it's just sew all the time. And
Speaker 2: then Mike got you got time for sewing, like you know,
Speaker 2: but he bought me a sewing machine, and I'm so
Speaker 2: excited to take my classes. And it's like stuff like
Speaker 2: that that I'm like going back to those things that
Speaker 2: gave me so much like care, free, joy, definitely vacation.
Speaker 3: So for real, let's talk about let's talk about you
Speaker 3: antiquing though, Let's talk about that. I love my anti
Speaker 3: that's what that's your self care. Recently, I love.
Speaker 2: And I love the I have. I know, well, I
Speaker 2: had a birthday dinner here where I had vintage Black
Speaker 2: women at like black albums as the as the placement.
Speaker 2: So I went to go find like a bunch of
Speaker 2: old school and that got me into crate digging again,
Speaker 2: crate digging and getting. I mean, I just collect stuff
Speaker 2: whenever we actually buy a house, which maybe that's another comment.
Speaker 1: Are you keeping it?
Speaker 2: Girl? Listen, you know I'm looking all around and you
Speaker 2: can't see. But so I think that I love that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, except when you find like you know,
Speaker 2: the Mammy pepper shakers and all that shit, But like,
Speaker 2: I just love that kind of stuff. I just it
Speaker 2: takes me back to just like a time of just
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I like drifting. I like doing that,
Speaker 2: but I'm not trying to monetize it, like I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be doing it before and after photos.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is just sit that again, because
Speaker 1: some things don't need to be done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's okay, I don't do it.
Speaker 3: I'm not curating all these hobbies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got trouble curating the videos I got, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, But I don't got time. So
Speaker 2: so I love that and I just love like when
Speaker 2: my back was working, like I'll just walk by myself
Speaker 2: for hours and listen to music and then I'll get
Speaker 2: tired and be like, let's come pick me up. I
Speaker 2: will do that for hours and just have people over,
Speaker 2: like I'm into the I'm into the high house parties.
Speaker 2: Everybody come over, we order some takeout, like I don't
Speaker 2: need to be getting dressed up all the time, Like
Speaker 2: BALI laughs on the occasion where I can laugh so
Speaker 2: hard that I can't.
Speaker 1: Breathe, those are so medicinal. Like yesterday, I flung myself
Speaker 1: down this slippery like snowy slope with my five year
Speaker 1: old and I'm so glad. It was the worst video
Speaker 1: I ever took in my life, but I could get
Speaker 1: the audio. I could hear us both just cackling like
Speaker 1: crazy fools, and I'm like, this is and you're breathing
Speaker 1: and just like breathing in the cold air and like
Speaker 1: losing your breath and just like doorphins and then the
Speaker 1: joy And if you're going to anyone's house, I feel
Speaker 1: like in the near future, bring a game with you.
Speaker 1: Bring a fun game. You guys have a favorite game
Speaker 1: you play with groups, we should share.
Speaker 3: You know what. I'm actually not really a game person,
Speaker 3: but I recent believe was at a front. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't have the attention span. If I'm being honest,
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: Talking dungeons and dragons, you know.
Speaker 3: No, But I mean even like Monopoly, how many times
Speaker 3: we're going around the board.
Speaker 2: How many how many bloss how many other guy buy
Speaker 2: you game?
Speaker 3: Over passed? Go again? No, but I was at a
Speaker 3: friend's house recently for for a little house house gathering
Speaker 3: and Jinga was broken out.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That is very stressful. However, it is fun, but.
Speaker 2: It is very stressful. Fund illustrations what is it? Were
Speaker 2: like a something and then you give it to the
Speaker 2: next person they have to guess what it is and
Speaker 2: the next person. It's really fun. And we just bought
Speaker 2: illustrations after dark, so the slicey version. So we're game.
Speaker 2: We are we are. It's just be me and West
Speaker 2: and some drinks and whatever else we got. We were.
Speaker 2: We were just it's only us. So it is put
Speaker 2: the phone away before I get to texting people when
Speaker 2: I don't need to be texting people. So like, you know,
Speaker 2: but we just we have a whole like thing like
Speaker 2: scrabble and the stuff was playing it like you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as a wordsmith, Aaron, I think andishit too.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you've written a whole book, but you
Speaker 1: have to get this game poetry for Neanderthals. It is
Speaker 1: so much. I saw the cast of Bridgerton playing it
Speaker 1: in an Instagram photo and all I saw was one
Speaker 1: of them had a bat, like a blow up inflatable club,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I have to find out a
Speaker 1: game they're playing. And I just played it with some friends.
Speaker 1: So you get a card has a word on it,
Speaker 1: but you can only use monos monos syllabic words with
Speaker 1: one syllable thank you, where you get hit with a
Speaker 1: bat and it is the most fun. There's a Not
Speaker 1: Safer Work edition and it's filthy. And my one and
Speaker 1: a half year old was in Daddy was in my
Speaker 1: husband's lap the whole time, and he's just like, dude,
Speaker 1: do you guys are having fun? He was riveted. He
Speaker 1: didn't know what we were saying. Obviously the five year
Speaker 1: olds were playing.
Speaker 3: He maybe was enjoying the bat abuse.
Speaker 1: He was they love the bats. They should send additional
Speaker 1: bats if you have kids, just to distract them. But
Speaker 1: when you get back to the head with an inflatable
Speaker 1: club and you're like drinking a really nice glass of
Speaker 1: wine and it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It was so ridiculous. It's at those moments of just
Speaker 2: like it almost is like a moment of like the
Speaker 2: care free black girl curiosity, which is why, like in
Speaker 2: the whole book movie, I'm like, where are the black
Speaker 2: girls that write anime in comics? Like I need to
Speaker 2: hang out with y'all too, because y'all just be y'all
Speaker 2: be having fun over here drawn these little animations and
Speaker 2: stuff like, I mean, I don't need to be nonfiction
Speaker 2: all the time. Like I'm good like where the anime?
Speaker 3: I feel like in the Pandemic, we definitely got back
Speaker 3: to the idea of rest and like reclaiming rest. But
Speaker 3: I think now like yes, reclaiming play play. It's also
Speaker 3: like so important because yeah, I mean like it gets
Speaker 3: you out of your comfort zone and especially you know,
Speaker 3: don't be like, you know, some professional, buttoned up person
Speaker 3: who you know forgot to have fun, Like no, what
Speaker 3: a trampoline park?
Speaker 2: Or yeah I'm going and they're like, what's the claws
Speaker 2: on the back? Back to work?
Speaker 3: You do not go to the trampoline park my.
Speaker 2: Back, just like you should have saw me in here,
Speaker 2: like what did you do?
Speaker 1: What did you enter it.
Speaker 2: I think I moved the table, like when we had
Speaker 2: the had my birthday dinner. I think I moved the table,
Speaker 2: and you know, and my husband knows me, so he's
Speaker 2: like knees and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, your butt, your.
Speaker 2: No, you're supposed to like bend you supposed to it's
Speaker 2: supposed to bend. Then anyway, whatever I did, it was
Speaker 2: I'm right then one right, so I think I just
Speaker 2: jack it all up. But then the worst like and
Speaker 2: then like everything started to pile on, like you know,
Speaker 2: time of the month came at the same time, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, just be like love but thankfully,
Speaker 2: like this whole weekend, I just I literally just sat
Speaker 2: and there, got up, did some things, so it was cool,
Speaker 2: but it was just like, but I get maxed. It's
Speaker 2: like that's your body telling you to rest. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm old, like you sat, somebody tell me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in pain. Sometimes it is wrong. I'd
Speaker 3: be if I cough wrong. My lower back is a wrap,
Speaker 3: Like why what is that?
Speaker 1: I don't like forgot. I just mentally willed myself to
Speaker 1: forget about my right ankle because the way I was
Speaker 1: climbing that slope yesterday and my my snow boots it
Speaker 1: was twisting all which ways. What we're wrong?
Speaker 3: Listen, black crack, what these joints do?
Speaker 2: You ain't never? I mean all the time, all the
Speaker 2: It's like God is good all the time, all the time,
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I'm on the movies or you guys
Speaker 1: like movie buffs or you like to read to bring
Speaker 1: Joy TV.
Speaker 3: So this is you asking me about my to B addiction?
Speaker 3: Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 2: Do you have a what do you watch?
Speaker 1: On? To bone?
Speaker 2: Got real serious? To be.
Speaker 3: To B is my guilty pleasure. Okay, I cover things
Speaker 3: that can sometimes be very heavy and I need to
Speaker 3: check all the way out. And so when I'm doing that,
Speaker 3: what am I watching? Ten toes down or plug love?
Speaker 3: My side piece won the lottery. There's so many, so
Speaker 3: many good ones. I can say enough that there was
Speaker 3: twos y'all, I'm telling the two b birds.
Speaker 2: That's a true show. It's a true show.
Speaker 3: The imagination of our people is really especially shout out
Speaker 3: to Detroit because you all are prolific with the storytelling
Speaker 3: on to be Like, it's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: It's free, right, it's free.
Speaker 3: It is free and they are just there. The library
Speaker 3: is vast, sugar Mama.
Speaker 2: Also not what I got a reality show.
Speaker 3: No, it's a movie. It was a movie that had
Speaker 3: a very interesting plot twist. So yeah, definitely watching lots
Speaker 3: and lots of two b M.
Speaker 2: I would say, I run the gamut, like I love
Speaker 2: like sever In back and waiting for Handmaids, you know,
Speaker 2: and I love uh Lotus. Yes, in the spring, White
Speaker 2: Lotus is coming back.
Speaker 1: And you can't be watching White hand Man's Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's my girlfriends and I get together and watch it.
Speaker 2: And my mother in law was like, what kind of
Speaker 2: girlfriend's party is that? But then also I'm just like Aaron,
Speaker 2: like I will I love my I love my ninety
Speaker 2: day fiance franchise. I love the show called Love After
Speaker 2: lock Up. It's so yes trifling, it's very exploited. It's
Speaker 2: very I'm like, we'st be like West is like this,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I know, but I need to just
Speaker 2: find out what happens, Like I just need to find
Speaker 2: out they make it, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: I so I think about you get investing, you get.
Speaker 3: So just speaking speaking of which later daters, did everybody
Speaker 3: watch here?
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you gotta watch it. It's like joyful, right,
Speaker 2: It's so joyful.
Speaker 3: I highly recommend Later Das. I love it and I'm
Speaker 3: to go season two.
Speaker 2: I am too. I was so into the lady that
Speaker 2: liked the Georgia Bulldogs. The lady listen. She was like,
Speaker 2: it's a great date, but do you love the Georgia
Speaker 2: Bulldog Like she was.
Speaker 3: Like, you're you're a banda fan, like this is over
Speaker 3: this at.
Speaker 1: This is oh my gosh. Okay, Later Daters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to watch that. That's good that I'm.
Speaker 1: A below deck sailing. I'm a below deck every franchise fan.
Speaker 1: The mess you can't you I haven't watched it. They're
Speaker 1: so good, you know, because the tricks you need to
Speaker 1: think you're learning something new, like I'm learning about nautica
Speaker 1: nautical engineering, like how this yacht is going to like
Speaker 1: stay afloat, you know. But but she has all like
Speaker 1: twenty five year olds who are hot and have different
Speaker 1: accents and from all these random countries, and the guests
Speaker 1: are hilarious. A lot of Jamil Hill was on the
Speaker 1: random Yeah, and she luckily was one of the least
Speaker 1: interesting episodes because they were normal. But a lot of
Speaker 1: guests are crazy, and it's like you get to listen
Speaker 1: to the like doubt now be like the people who
Speaker 1: work behind the scenes just like talk about the clientele,
Speaker 1: and but you get to see everything. It's so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I would start. I was telling you I would.
Speaker 2: Start, Honestly, you need to.
Speaker 3: But they're stuck on a ship.
Speaker 1: Yes, man, you have at work, and they're at work,
Speaker 1: so the rules get broken up. Drunk. You're not supposed
Speaker 1: to drink on outings, but you show up drunk and
Speaker 1: you're in trouble.
Speaker 3: With the captain and you're operating about a lot of
Speaker 3: people get fired.
Speaker 1: It's great. It's everything you want. Also, y'all need to
Speaker 1: go see one of them days if you haven't yet, Oh,
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 3: I want to chant out to them like that movie's
Speaker 3: doing better than the Fossa like.
Speaker 1: Number one, number one in the country. I want to
Speaker 1: hear nothing about it was a quiet week and all
Speaker 1: that crap. Note the writing, Kiki Palmer, I sent, I
Speaker 1: haven't done this in so long. I had to email
Speaker 1: the AP reporter Aaron Jake something because he mixed up
Speaker 1: two of the black actresses names who played two He
Speaker 1: said Janelle from a Elementary was the side piece girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, that was not her, and then he
Speaker 1: anyway whatever. I had to email him because also his
Speaker 1: review was like the headline said, one of them days
Speaker 1: will convince you. Keiky Palmer is a star. I was like,
Speaker 1: who needs.
Speaker 3: To convince you?
Speaker 1: Yes, h Jake, because the rest of us have known
Speaker 1: that for two decades now. It's so funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, we got we always got literally like legit,
Speaker 2: like like I'm surprised you you probably say, say not Beyonce,
Speaker 2: like what where you been? Where you been?
Speaker 3: Beyonce's halftime performance proof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you my god, she's on the come up, okay, wants.
Speaker 3: To be breakthrough performance at halftime.
Speaker 2: Oh god, we now see her full potential.
Speaker 1: Like okay, see, we can't fix it. We can't fix
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 2: We can't be there, cannot, cannot could, It's.
Speaker 1: Always gonna happen. But that was fun. I mean, just
Speaker 1: like any moment to spark joy guard. Yeah, dancing music,
Speaker 1: I hope I wish that for y'all. More trips Aaron
Speaker 1: and actually go tell Boothang that he needs to make
Speaker 1: sure that you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a journalism too, so y'all take the trip.
Speaker 3: Yes, we need the trips.
Speaker 1: Take the trip or because we're right Brown ambition, save
Speaker 1: for the trip and then make sure you book it cash,
Speaker 1: get those points, but then pay off the cards.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean those points? Yeah, twenty five people.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm about to lose my one K status there,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna have a I'm gonna have a little
Speaker 2: funeral status United Girl United Premiere one ky I'm a
Speaker 2: Delta because so this is the thing. So I did.
Speaker 2: I did teach it for the Obamas and it was
Speaker 2: like one was Australia, one was the South Africa, and
Speaker 2: you know, I flew business class, which means that put me.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm loving this as long and they
Speaker 2: and they are about to they about to take it away.
Speaker 1: One more trip from them.
Speaker 2: Yes I have.
Speaker 3: I had to make sure, like because you know, Mandy,
Speaker 3: you know the Delta life. Like you get to December
Speaker 3: and it's like, you know what, let me make sure
Speaker 3: I've got my status for next year locked.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of a sickness, but.
Speaker 3: Listen, that's the brand ambition I'm talking about, Like, let
Speaker 3: me sure I'm trying to I'm trying to go from
Speaker 3: platinum diamond, like like.
Speaker 1: Me, just try diamond. But he works in sales. He's
Speaker 1: always on a plane, right, I don't. I don't have
Speaker 1: that lifestyle. But it's okay. We have so much more
Speaker 1: going for us.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Y'all have two time guests on Brown Ambition, So you
Speaker 1: got that going for you?
Speaker 3: Do you know who I am? I'm gonna. I'm definitely
Speaker 3: presenting that the next the next time I'm in a
Speaker 3: Starbucks too.
Speaker 2: Definitely should be worse.
Speaker 1: Honestly should you should get this?
Speaker 2: Cause the first time I was on, somebody was like,
Speaker 2: how did you get on that show? And I was like,
Speaker 2: I know people, I know people.
Speaker 1: We never respond to guest inquiries, but your person was
Speaker 1: so good and obviously it was person. Yes I'm feeling
Speaker 1: him when.
Speaker 2: He is so good. Oh he was. He was a
Speaker 2: super show.
Speaker 1: He was great, he was amazing, amazing, best email writer
Speaker 1: because I really ignore a lot of those interview requests,
Speaker 1: but when it's good, it's good.
Speaker 2: So he's he said, I want to make your wishless
Speaker 2: come true and I was like, okay, and he did.
Speaker 1: Well there you know. Sad enough, there are not very
Speaker 1: many shows at our level that are hosted by women
Speaker 1: of color, So it is I know, and I wish
Speaker 1: more people knew that. We got to do better job
Speaker 1: getting that out there, because if you're a black author
Speaker 1: wanting to sell books like Brown Ambition is one of
Speaker 1: the best places to come. Aaron, are you working on
Speaker 1: a book that I make that up?
Speaker 3: Yep, Nope, you did not. No, I mean I kind of,
Speaker 3: but no. Yeah, now there's there's a book in the works,
Speaker 3: like I can talk about it right now, not yet,
Speaker 3: but but no, like, yes, there there's a book.
Speaker 1: Do you have a publisher?
Speaker 2: Yes, You'm gonna have to talk behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: All right, fine, uh, I can always edit it out,
Speaker 1: but okay, all right, Well, I want to thank my
Speaker 1: guest Aaron Haynes dshad I for joining Brown Ambition, for
Speaker 1: joining the Brown Table. And it's exactly worked how I
Speaker 1: wanted it to. I feel so much better after the
Speaker 1: that was just going on, and I hope you be
Speaker 1: a fan also feel better and can move forward a
Speaker 1: little bit of optimism. Keep investing in yourselves, taking care
Speaker 1: of yourselves, and go find Aaron and Desha on socials. Aaron,
Speaker 1: you're at e marvelous on I G are you still
Speaker 1: on x Twitter whatever it is sure when you shot
Speaker 1: on threads, you want threads.
Speaker 3: I'm on Blue Sky and I'm.
Speaker 1: Spell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come hang out with me on spell.
Speaker 1: You guys, Dsha where the threads, girlies. We I love
Speaker 1: following you on threads.
Speaker 2: I was off for a while and I got back on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good time. Suck, Dsha. You are aware
Speaker 1: at Dsha Dyer. I'm d dire to success, Dire. I'll
Speaker 1: put them in the show again. Go get that book. Undiplomatic.
Speaker 1: Aaron will see you again when you have a book too.
Speaker 1: I'd love to have you.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'd love to be here.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I'm aye for having us