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Speaker 1: Hey, ba fam, welcome back to another week, another Brown table.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't think of this brown

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Speaker 1: table sooner, But when I was thinking about what I

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Speaker 1: was going to say to y'all the day after, the

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Speaker 1: couple of days after you know what has just happened

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Speaker 1: in this country January twentieth, on MLK Day of all days,

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Speaker 1: I just knew that I did not want to be

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Speaker 1: at the Brown table by myself. And I thought back

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Speaker 1: to a couple of guests that we had not that

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Speaker 1: long ago. You've both been on the show, I think

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Speaker 1: in the past like six months. So we have Dsha Dyer,

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Speaker 1: who of course is the author of my favorite read

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, Undiplomatic. Yes, you know, Aaron, when

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Speaker 1: you got a book, I'll have yours too.

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Speaker 3: I listen, I'll get write on it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, when you have your free time, just like

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Speaker 1: write a whole book. It's fine. Dsha Dyer is here.

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Speaker 1: She was a former White House Social secretary, which I

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Speaker 1: learned in the last interview with Dsha does not mean

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Speaker 1: social media and means she literally put on massive events,

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Speaker 1: massive moments, some iconic moments like the twenty sixteen party.

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Speaker 1: What was it the Black Party at what was the literal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, love and happiness the BT Party, Yeah, yeah, nice iconic.

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Speaker 1: What's a part of the Obama administration? You got to

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Speaker 1: go check out her book on diplomatic It's just I

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Speaker 1: don't know for every I just feel like if you're

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Speaker 1: someone who ever felt out of place, you know where

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Speaker 1: you're working, and ever felt like there were some places

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Speaker 1: like DC that were out of reach for you, like

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Speaker 1: this book is just waw Chef's kiss. And then we

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Speaker 1: have a friend of the show, Aaron Haynes, aka the

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Speaker 1: editor at large of the Nineteenth Amendment or the Nineteenth, sorry,

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Speaker 1: the Nineteenth, And she has a newsletter that is called

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Speaker 1: the Amendment, And so y'all got to go check that out.

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Speaker 1: And also, I mean I feel like at the Amendment,

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Speaker 1: I mean, sorry, at the Nineteenth, can I get the

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Speaker 1: name right? That would be the bare minimum to do,

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Speaker 1: Like I will try that.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long couple of days, it has not

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Speaker 2: at the Nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: I mean y'all have been y'all have been such a

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Speaker 1: voice and advocate and for you know, underserved communities, for women,

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Speaker 1: for bipop voices, and you just do brilliant work. But

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to get together with y'all and see

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Speaker 1: how you're feeling, and like we've been saying, like acknowledge

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Speaker 1: that community and being together and supporting each other and

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Speaker 1: creating space where we can just thrive and feel safe

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Speaker 1: together and support one another is So it's like the

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Speaker 1: only way I can see surviving the next for plus,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many years we have ahead of us.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to say thank y'all for joining

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Speaker 1: me and welcome to the Brown table.

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Speaker 3: There are now too, I mean right, like it's it's

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Speaker 3: not you know because for all the talk that you

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Speaker 3: know was around maybe eight years ago about the resistance,

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Speaker 3: now it's it's really just about resilience and and black

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Speaker 3: women being in community. Like I'm seeing so much of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to at this point because I think

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Speaker 2: that that it really is that we all we got,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I think that is

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Speaker 2: the honest of God truth. And I'm hoping that the

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Speaker 2: communities that we curate will be open to other black

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Speaker 2: women coming in these spaces, you know, like stout gatekeeping,

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Speaker 2: like we all need each other at this point to

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Speaker 2: survive for real, for real.

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Speaker 3: Talk about how are we going to talk about the gatekeeping. OMG, yes,

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Speaker 3: you should come in and spy.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you mean by that? What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Who's gate keeping?

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Speaker 2: You know? I'm spicy.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I think that there is a certain I mean like, remember,

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Speaker 2: I've lived in two worlds, Like I've lived in the

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Speaker 2: political White House world and I've lived in like the

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Speaker 2: Philly world, and I think that they are completely separate.

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Speaker 2: I think they don't listen to each other. I think

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Speaker 2: when's the last time you'll actually been in the streets,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like to be honest, like

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Speaker 2: just I'm just hoping that we can kind of I'm

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Speaker 2: not trying to coom baya. We don't all need to intermingle,

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Speaker 2: like it's like, yeah, I get in no respect disrespect

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Speaker 2: to anybody, but I get people's profession, but it's just like, again,

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Speaker 2: a community for real, for real, not for your job,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that we we open the flood gates

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Speaker 2: and stop being all like you know, I'm over here,

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Speaker 2: hoity twitty. You don't have an invite? That's just corny.

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Speaker 3: You don't you don't have an invite. That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: M No, I think it's Crockett. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like she's so real, so authentic, like you

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Speaker 1: just know that she is still you know, down with

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Speaker 1: the people, and she's like in Texas and with her people.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's so refreshed for me.

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Speaker 3: That part, but like, yeah, the respectability piece really does

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Speaker 3: raise questions about whose contribution is valuable, right, like who

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Speaker 3: like no, it's I mean, like what happened to strength

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Speaker 3: and numbers? You know? I think you know, and for

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Speaker 3: all the talk about you know, black women are not

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Speaker 3: a monolith, or you know black people are not a monolith. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean, then let's show the range of those black

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that that's why

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Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes I go in rooms it's like

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, that's interesting because this room looks like

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Speaker 3: These black women seem to be doing Okay, say that

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Speaker 2: We should we should party, do whatever you want to do,

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Speaker 2: but say that, like we coming together and have a

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Speaker 2: they at? Though? Where at? Because I can represent themselves themselves.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I mean by that, Mandy, to go

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Speaker 2: back to, you know, I have no behavior.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So what made y'all say yes? Why did y'all

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Speaker 1: want to be here?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: My god, Andy, it's always a yes from you. Are

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Speaker 3: So like, no, this was this was an automatic yess.

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Speaker 3: But I do think I have found myself gravitating to

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Speaker 3: this moment means, uh, specifically for us.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, the nineteenth is named for the nineteenth Amendment,

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Speaker 3: and I went into the election feeling like it was

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Speaker 3: largely an election about the until business is the nineteenth Amendment? Right?

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Speaker 3: So like, especially as it pertains to race and gender, right,

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Speaker 3: So like, what is the unfinished business of the nineteenth

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Speaker 3: So yeah, obviously I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good?

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Speaker 2: And I had I saw Aaron Hayes and I was like, oh, oh.

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Speaker 1: Oh, soe y'all go way back. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: the prize, but what did y'all meet? How far back

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Speaker 2: We met a long time ago, but Aaron was my

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Speaker 3: Please don't ask me our origin story becau D. She's

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Speaker 3: like one of those people's like I don't remember not

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Speaker 3: it's like I just you know, she was just one

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I love the way you put that collect

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Speaker 2: it's not a big deal, but I think people know

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Speaker 2: like I'm just over it, Like I'm over us being

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Speaker 2: I'm done. And so any opportunity to be with black

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Speaker 2: other just by our presence is I'm going to those things.

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Speaker 2: And also to say space is the same space for

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Speaker 2: I see for Aaron going out and doing her job,

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Speaker 2: like it's not safe out there for us everywhere. So

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Speaker 2: if there's a space where we can be together, like

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Speaker 2: a safe space for us to talk, like, count me in.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna show up pajama's hair and a bonnet whatever,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna show.

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Speaker 3: Up, not a bonnet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, my birthday party was like my birthday dinner. I said,

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Speaker 2: everybody come as is. We had black women at our

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Speaker 2: little table. Everybody came as is, hair, rats the job,

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Speaker 2: Like it was just like this is just our space.

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Speaker 1: I can't know my bonnets. My sons steal them and

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Speaker 1: they think they're fun hats.

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Speaker 2: They're like, I'm a chef, Come on, chef's hat costs.

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Speaker 3: So it's not a good bonnet. Not the good bonnet.

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Speaker 2: This is long.

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Speaker 3: It's all I got.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's a parachute for my my monster truck.

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Speaker 1: No it's not. But okay, if it gets.

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Speaker 2: I love the imagination, right man.

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Speaker 1: I Also, I don't know if I if I'm naive

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Speaker 1: or what, but certain some big things happen the summer

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty and before that that like completely disillusioned

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Speaker 1: whole self to a corporate space. And I just want to, like,

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Speaker 1: I want to hold space and just acknowledge the women

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Speaker 3: I Vogue learn Vogue Vogue learned what Karras shells were yesterday.

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Speaker 1: That I think a lot of people did. To be fair,

434
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Speaker 1: I did not know the significance I had only I mean,

435
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Speaker 1: I feel like they were just one of those imagery,

436
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 1: like so much imagery. It makes sense, but I never

437
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Speaker 1: had looked into the the history of the Carie shell.

438
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Speaker 1: Did they find out who made it for her?

439
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

440
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean but it was it

441
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Speaker 3: is so it was so beautiful and like to I

442
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Speaker 3: mean obviously, like there are no cameras in the Supreme Court,

443
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Speaker 3: so you know, it made me wonder, like how many

444
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Speaker 3: times has she worn that on the bench and you know,

445
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 3: because like that is her. I don't know what they

446
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Speaker 3: can do, bib Doley, I don't know what. Obviously I'm

447
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Speaker 3: not a Supreme Court justice. But you know what I mean,

448
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: like like like to envision her actually wearing that on

449
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Speaker 3: the court like that just I mean, yeah, representation matters.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's also something that brings her peace.

451
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: Like I know sometimes I'll wear something or do something

452
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Speaker 2: not even for representation, but it brings me peace and

453
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Speaker 2: may bring an So like, yeah, you brings you closer

454
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Speaker 2: to like you know, you're at the Supreme Court and

455
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Speaker 2: you're in you know, the chambers or whatever, and you

456
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Speaker 2: know you're communities out there, but they're kind of far,

457
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: you know, they're not with you. Sometimes you do feel

458
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Speaker 2: like I have this close to me, and I feel

459
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Speaker 2: it gives me a little bit of reassurance that like

460
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Speaker 2: I'm close to my center, you know. So I think

461
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Speaker 2: that that also for me, is what I saw in

462
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Speaker 2: that yesterday, is like I'm close to my I'm not

463
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Speaker 2: even I wasn't even trying to wear this for everybody.

464
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to wear it from me, so I don't

465
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Speaker 2: look if you buck you know. So I think that

466
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Speaker 2: it's just like you know, like this is you know

467
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Speaker 2: right here, which I think is beautiful.

468
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Speaker 3: And I think it is a I mean, it is

469
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Speaker 3: a signal to black Americans, his Western right. I mean,

470
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Speaker 3: they see that that they may not know the entire significance,

471
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Speaker 3: but they're like, Okay, this is a statement. This is

472
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Speaker 3: this is definitely a stef And that was I mean

473
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Speaker 3: I mentioned even in the column, you know, just I

474
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Speaker 3: mean Hillary Clinton had on like this blue that you

475
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Speaker 3: just really couldn't miss. And then you know, and I

476
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Speaker 3: thought back to, you know, twenty seventeen when she was

477
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Speaker 3: at inauguration when she had to watch him get toorn

478
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Speaker 3: in the first time. You know, she's wearing like this

479
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Speaker 3: suffrage white suit and it was a suit that she

480
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Speaker 3: would have worn she been taking the oath of office.

481
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Speaker 3: So like I mean, for especially for women, there's always

482
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Speaker 3: you know, fashion is political, like there's always a statement

483
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Speaker 3: like ps I mean, uh, Milania Trump definitely was making

484
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Speaker 3: a statement yesterday too with that happening. I don't know

485
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Speaker 3: what the statement was, but she.

486
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Speaker 1: Was making one.

487
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Speaker 3: I didn't see her ass for the entire day.

488
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Speaker 1: Were you there, Aaron or were you watching? Okay, yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: I was.

490
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Speaker 3: I was in the warm embrace of my living room.

491
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Speaker 2: Okay, safe safe.

492
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Speaker 1: Mark say, during the inauguration of yahow five oh Man,

493
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Speaker 1: So Disha, you know you have been active in the

494
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Speaker 1: I don't know how active, but I was one of

495
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Speaker 1: the forty thousand who finally realized women when with black

496
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Speaker 1: women was a thing over the summer when Kamala when

497
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Speaker 1: I think it was yeah, when Joe So when Biden

498
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Speaker 1: had backed out of the race and the door that

499
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Speaker 1: Sunday and that was my and and since then I

500
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: have been to many a Sunday call and I was

501
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: sad they didn't have one this past Sunday. I can

502
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Speaker 1: see why, but for me, it's just kind of become

503
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Speaker 1: a church like experience. I just go to just listen

504
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: and to you know, I put it on while I'm

505
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Speaker 1: doing dishes. But Dshai saw that you had and you

506
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Speaker 1: spoke about this too when you were on for BA.

507
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: Like to think about the employees of the White House

508
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Speaker 1: that are going out and going out into the job market,

509
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Speaker 1: and could you speak a little bit on that, like

510
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Speaker 1: what it's like to be kicked out of a job

511
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: at a time like this and what it'll look like

512
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Speaker 1: for them path forward career wise.

513
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, and I'll give a shout out to

514
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Speaker 2: Joetaka because I think one of the reasons why I

515
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 2: like that call so much is because you don't have

516
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: to be a certain anything to join that call you

517
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: set that backs us to a phone. You know, there

518
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 2: is no there is no any open. Everything's open. You know.

519
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: If you want to join the call about fundraising with

520
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 2: Star Jones, feel free. If you want to join the

521
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: North Carolina delegation field free. There is no gatekeeping in that.

522
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: And I think that I try to get that message out,

523
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: like just join and see what sticks with you. Don't

524
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: got to be you know whatever. So that's what I

525
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: really love it call. So I'll say that, but I

526
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: think you know, when I left, I was definitely in

527
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Speaker 2: for root awakening. I mean, like, nobody tells you that

528
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: you know you got I got this high profile job,

529
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Speaker 2: like yeah, I can run Google, Like what are you

530
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: talking about? And then like you go there, You're like,

531
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Speaker 2: oh wait, I can't. No, I can't do that, but

532
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: but I welcome the Pope. No, I can't do that.

533
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: I remember the kids graduating from college, black kids and

534
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: go into politics, and I was like, they're graduating during

535
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Speaker 2: the Trump administration and during the pandemic, Like how to

536
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: help these kids won't get these jobs? And so I

537
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: started something called Call and Response just trying to help

538
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Speaker 2: them navigate it a little bit, and I then stopped

539
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Speaker 2: it because you know, my energy be like going on.

540
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: And then I started again for Black forty six, which

541
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Speaker 2: is the black employees of the Harris Walls campaign or

542
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: the left about the administration of Biden Harris. And I

543
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: think that what I'm finding is a lot of them

544
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: are just not and how would they be. This is

545
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: not their fault that like you're coming out in the

546
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: world that like you're not as marketable because you work

547
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: for a democratic president and all this is under attack

548
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: what you worked for. So companies and corporations are going

549
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 2: to be like, how can you help us on the

550
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: inside get the things that we need when you don't

551
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 2: know nobody there? When you know what I mean, Like

552
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: it's a reality and its value, it's not value. So

553
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: I think that for me, I try to have like

554
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: we had some prayer calls, we did mental health sessions,

555
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: we took a COMMS call, we did we have an LGBTQ,

556
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: black and queer coming up. And I think that I

557
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: just want to provide them space to be like we

558
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 2: could talk about it. Here's people who went through it

559
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: from the Obama years. But Also I have a jobs

560
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: board where like all my friends who are hired in

561
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: different places, they give me their jobs and I can say, like, hey,

562
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: my homegirl's applying, this person's applying, Like can you give

563
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 2: them a boost, like, you know, look at their application.

564
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: And that's all that I could really do. But it's

565
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: really really hard because you know, you just so much.

566
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: You know, you're so smart, you know you're so valued.

567
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: But with all this stuff rolling back, nobody has accountability

568
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: to give you a fair shot. And that's just real life.

569
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: And you know, I came out of there. I went

570
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: on unemployment child until somebody got pregnant. The Ford Foundation

571
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 2: my friend and she was like, I need a coverage.

572
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: I was like, child, sign me up, you know what

573
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean. And that led to so much after that.

574
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: But I had to really like remember who I was

575
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: before I went in the White House, and that's what

576
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: I lean on to survive plus all these experiences that

577
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: I have. So I'm trying, and it's hard, especially for

578
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: these folks that are like not known as much as

579
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: other folks. You know, it's just like you know, and

580
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: so I'm trying to help as much as I can.

581
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: But then also, like you know what I'm saying. I

582
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: got to put my life jacket on too, because I'm

583
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: gonna you know, I have my own business. So we're

584
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: all in the business of trying to also make money

585
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: for our families and friends and ourselves and at the

586
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: same time. But it's rough because all these people are

587
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: out of jobs, you know, and it's and it's not easy.

588
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: You know.

589
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I got you what you need a negotiation coach.

590
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: I can come help them negotiation.

591
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, me, I get the MA job out of your.

592
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: AI for them resumes to fight the ats.

593
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. And I think, I mean I need that,

594
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: madam self. But I think that that's where that's what

595
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: I try to do. And I think that part of

596
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: I use the Black forty four network, So I just

597
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: use the network of people that I worked with the help,

598
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: you know.

599
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, I mean I think that's just

600
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: for anyone too, to understand that your job doesn't love

601
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: you back, and you need to be wheeling, dealing, being

602
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: strategic about your career behind the scenes to make sure

603
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: that you're marketable, to make sure that you you know,

604
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: you know how to interview in today's market. And I mean,

605
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about the lineup behind Trump yesterday. Again

606
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: I didn't try to watch, but I heard Zuckerberg, Besos Musk,

607
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: Tim Cook like it was a white man's Silicon Valley

608
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: reunion up there, and it's just like, these are the

609
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: leaders of these massive companies that so many of us,

610
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: so many women's, many people of color like, would love

611
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: to work at, and they're dismantling DEI programs like I

612
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: used to, programs like you said, Aaron, and they are

613
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: they are clearly doing what they got to do to

614
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: survive really and to keep their valuations high on Wall Street.

615
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: And it's the last like I mean, if that we

616
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: needed one more signal, but that's just a big ass

617
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: signal that we're not. They're not here to really uplift

618
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: and support us no matter what it's. They will put

619
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Speaker 1: their own life jackets on first, right, which.

620
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Speaker 2: I think is also important of why I'm so big

621
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: on like making sure that black women understand their core

622
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: who they are and how amazing that they are, because

623
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: you're going to get job rejections and you're going to

624
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: get all these things, and after a while, you're going

625
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: to start to think it's you, and it's like it's

626
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: not you, and I want you to I want you

627
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 2: to separate yourself from that only because you will get

628
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: depressed thinking that you're not good enough. No no, no, no, it's

629
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: not you. It's so that's why I also try to

630
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: really pour into them, like I get it, Like I'm

631
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: also speaking from privilege, you know, like I have a

632
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: job and I have a husband, who you know what

633
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: I mean, So I try to be really understanding. But

634
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, I want you to understand how wonderful you are.

635
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: And I don't know how many times I have to

636
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: tell you that, but I want to keep telling you

637
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: because I can't get you all the jobs in the world.

638
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: But I want you to understand that you're cure, that

639
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: you're you're good. You're good, but a failure is not

640
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: not getting a job has nothing to do with you, honey,

641
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Like yeah, And so that's why I try.

642
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, I mean, and as somebody who uh,

643
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: I will say, has a little bit more life experience,

644
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: right than maybe a lot of these folks that you

645
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: are talking to, that does matter because you know, as

646
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: black women, like there will be professional setbacks in our

647
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Speaker 3: careers like that, like you know, and this may be

648
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Speaker 3: the first one for a lot of them or any

649
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Speaker 3: marginalized folks like that, like you're going to have a

650
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Speaker 3: professional setback, and so reminding folks in that moment that

651
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Speaker 3: you need to tap into, right, the person that you

652
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Speaker 3: were raised to be, tap into, you know the last

653
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: time you you know, you overcame something, right, the last

654
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Speaker 3: time that that or somebody in your life who overcame

655
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Speaker 3: something that was a relative or a friend or somebody like,

656
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Speaker 3: So that you know that like like you're going to

657
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Speaker 3: be okay, right, like, and you're going to figure it out,

658
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: because that's that's what we do. Yeah, that's what we do.

659
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: And so yeah, just just that that reminder when things

660
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: feel especially hard is really really important because like we

661
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: all have to tap into that at some point in

662
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Speaker 3: our careers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and recognize that you have what you need to

664
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Speaker 1: get through it.

665
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Speaker 3: Yes.

666
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Speaker 1: And one of the I just got finished with a

667
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Speaker 1: really wonderful I did a five day career reboot challenge

668
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Speaker 1: for women who were like stuck in their job search.

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Speaker 1: And the first day I have them fill out this

670
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Speaker 1: is a little aggressive, but a very long pedio. It's

671
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Speaker 1: like nine I'll send it to if you guys want

672
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Speaker 1: a nine pages just like really introspective questions, and a

673
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Speaker 1: lot of the questions I'm asking are like, in a

674
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Speaker 1: career crisis, here are the first three people I know

675
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Speaker 1: I can call and they'll have my back end. The

676
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Speaker 1: last time that I was able to get myself out

677
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Speaker 1: of a challenging situation was you know, fill in the blank.

678
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Speaker 1: And the reason I asked those questions because I do

679
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Speaker 1: think that we lose sight of all the resources and

680
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Speaker 1: the support network that we already have, because it can

681
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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you're just like trying to make it.

682
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Speaker 1: It's so ef and hard. We all know that. But

683
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Speaker 1: to build that inner resilience and that trust in yourself

684
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Speaker 1: that I got me at the end of the day

685
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Speaker 1: that some somehow between like I don't know the time

686
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Speaker 1: for me anyway, the time I graduated college to like

687
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: becoming a mom and you know, starting a business and stuff.

688
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just easy to lose sight of that and

689
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: just feel so overwhelmed that you that inner power starts

690
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: to dim. So I'm so glad that you you mentioned.

691
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Speaker 3: Okay, well, first of all, send me that PDIA. Okay,

692
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Speaker 3: I'm not stuck in mind.

693
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Speaker 2: I was like me too.

694
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Speaker 3: Here's the point of this like yes, Like for so

695
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: many of us, we are so focused on just the

696
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Speaker 3: incoming and triaging what is directly in front of us,

697
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: like when is the last time maybe the pandemic honestly

698
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Speaker 3: probably not for a lot of people, but like when

699
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Speaker 3: you have a chance to actually sit still and ask

700
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Speaker 3: yourself the big questions, right, like what it's the biggest

701
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: dream that I could possibly have for myself? I remember

702
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: somebody asked me that I have, Like a money coach

703
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Speaker 3: asked me that maybe like five years ago, maybe a

704
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: little longer ago, but I was like in my early forties,

705
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Speaker 3: and they asked me this, and I was embarrassed because

706
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: I really did not have an answer, like I had

707
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: never deeply thought about like if there were no obstacles,

708
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Speaker 3: if you could do anything that you wanted to do next,

709
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: what would that be?

710
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: Right?

711
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Speaker 3: And so like to yes, maybe it's a long work cheap,

712
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Speaker 3: but like yes, to be able to ask yourself the

713
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Speaker 3: big questions and not just the how am I going

714
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Speaker 3: to get through my day week month questions right to

715
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Speaker 3: my next direct deposit questions like what like that that's

716
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Speaker 3: true matters and that matters now, And I mean for

717
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Speaker 3: these people that you're helping d show like this is

718
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: a time for them to be able to ask themselves

719
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Speaker 3: big questions, right to figure out what what what? How

720
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Speaker 3: am I going to be intentional about the next thing

721
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Speaker 3: that I do with all the gifts that I have?

722
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Speaker 3: Mm hm like, because your gifts make room for you,

723
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: but sometimes you got to make room for the gifts.

724
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Speaker 2: Right, that's right, you gotta get off the way.

725
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: That's what time it is right now. I agree, And

726
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 3: I don't want people to lose sight of that, right

727
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: because like there is a kind of doom and gloom

728
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: hanging over for some people, right. I mean, let's be honest,

729
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: ninety two percent of black women and and also a

730
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: majority of black men, you know, vote did not vote

731
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Speaker 3: for the president that we have now, and so they're

732
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Speaker 3: just kind of wondering, how am I going to move forward?

733
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Speaker 2: How?

734
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Speaker 3: You know, where are my finding uh, you know, where

735
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Speaker 3: are the wins for me? And you know, so asking

736
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: those kinds of questions ensures that you were that you

737
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: are still going to have wins regardless of who is who,

738
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Speaker 3: who the occupant of the White House.

739
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Speaker 1: Is, and how it is important. I mean obviously, like

740
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Speaker 1: there was some executive orders past that impacted me personally,

741
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Speaker 1: like no more federal employee hires temporary, like a freeze

742
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Speaker 1: on federal employee hires. My husband's in the middle of

743
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Speaker 1: a job offer that is now basically like poof gone.

744
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Speaker 1: And I have my sister is married to a trans man.

745
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: And yesterday it was like, well, there are going to

746
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Speaker 1: be two genders. You know, that's America will only recognize

747
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: two genders, Like what does it mean for them? And

748
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Speaker 1: I there is that there is that anxiety of you

749
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: know what that executive function can do? But then I

750
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Speaker 1: for me, it just I mean I have a Sagittarius rising.

751
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm a Leo on and the Sagittarius rising, and like

752
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm deeply optimistic to the point where people are probably

753
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: like girl, like get that pollyannathing off, like it's just

754
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: like too much. But I am like deeply optimistic because

755
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: I think that there are other ways that we can

756
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: resist in other ways, you know, small at the state,

757
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: local levels, you know, really engaging with your local politics

758
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and you know, supporting and protecting as much as you

759
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: can those loved ones, those those neighbors, the ones that

760
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: you know are even more vulnerable and this environment and

761
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: sticking your necks out for other people and like contributing

762
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: to your community. I mean, I think that for me

763
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: is how I'm trying to focus. And I feel like

764
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: every time I come to this microphone, I'm like, what

765
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Speaker 1: do I say to her to make her feel more

766
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: empowered and like everything that y'all are saying, more empowered

767
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: and brave enough to think about what do I want

768
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: for myself and to feel like it's possible in spite

769
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: of all this, yeah, you know going on in the background,

770
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: and we just have more examples of it too, seeing

771
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Speaker 1: each other's thrive.

772
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Like the importance of being feeling seen in

773
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 3: a moment where it feels like certain communities, certain people

774
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: are being erased, is very important, especially you know, for

775
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 3: us going into this moment, Like, there are real people

776
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: on the receiving end of policy, and we need to

777
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: tell the stories of people who are on the receiving

778
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: end of policy. What does this mean for you? You know,

779
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: executive order that may seem like some abstract thing that's

780
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: far away that doesn't like, No, like, this is affecting people,

781
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: and it is also like and there are people who

782
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: care about them, right, so who need to read these stories?

783
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: Who need to hear from from these people who are all,

784
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 3: you know, a part of our democracy, you know, whether

785
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: everybody realizes it or not, like we are, we are

786
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: all part of this country.

787
00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: And and.

788
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: You know, regardless of how you voted, you may not

789
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: care about politics, but politics cares about you and and

790
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: and we're seeing that even in just the first hours

791
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 3: of the of this new administration.

792
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so sure on news sites today, y'all. I'm

793
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: sorry to say the.

794
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Speaker 3: Nineteenth is here for you whenever you whenever I was going.

795
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: To say, like that's why I feel the Nineteenth is good.

796
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Speaker 1: And some of them from y'all and many fewer from

797
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Speaker 1: the AP I.

798
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 2: Don't want to pay attention to I just I can't.

799
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Speaker 2: I think that. Also, I like getting my reportings from

800
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Speaker 2: black women, so I feel like it's somebody who understands

801
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: what I'm going through. And I'm just like everybody else

802
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: gon have to read it too, because well.

803
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, you know, like news fatigue is real, y'all, Like, yeah,

804
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: I get it. I mean I was not nearly as

805
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: locked in as I normally am. You know, the way

806
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 3: my director positive set up after you know, like during

807
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: the holidays, like I was like, you know what it's

808
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 3: if I don't read every single thing, or if I'm

809
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: not you know, watching MSNBC all day long, like it's oh,

810
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: it is really okay, okay, Like it's all going to

811
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 3: be there when I get back, to be honest. And

812
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: so but like, I know, you know, so many of

813
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: the people in my life who do not do this work,

814
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: who are not in politics, who are not in journalism, like, yeah,

815
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 3: this is not their life does not revolve around this, right,

816
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: And so just kind of getting back to that, remembering

817
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: that like grass that that yes, like that's that's super important. So, no,

818
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: you do not, none of us have to consume all

819
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: the news, but like it is important to me that

820
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: when people do decide to you know, of all the

821
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 3: things that they could be doing, you know that they're

822
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: going to read a nineteen story Like what is it

823
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: that we are giving them? Yeah, and I mean we

824
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: want to obviously cover what's happening, but but also like

825
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: what is happening includes joyful things, It includes you know,

826
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Speaker 3: writing about the doers in our democracy and what that

827
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: looks like. So yeah, I mean I think there's a

828
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: way to not just talk about politics, but to just

829
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 3: talk about you know, gender and society. That feels very

830
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: urgent to us right now too.

831
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Speaker 2: Mm hm.

832
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Speaker 3: And that's what you're doing, Mandy, Like, I mean, like,

833
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to talk about all the things.

834
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I had an opportunity with BA after

835
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Speaker 1: you know, Tiffany announced she was leaving the show and

836
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: I had and I love her. She was trying to

837
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: interrupt our call. I had to turn my phone off.

838
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Speaker 1: I'm like Tiffany, but she breaks through my favorites. She

839
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: can get through the D and D setting.

840
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: Oh she's a breakthrough. Okay, but no, I had to

841
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: ask family. Oh, yes, and they can break through, that's family.

842
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: And she yeah. So she really presented me with the

843
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: biggest gift, you know, to give me a new beginning

844
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: that I don't think many of us get after college

845
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: graduation or school graduation. It really felt like, Okay, this

846
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: is your you know, this is the moment when you

847
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: get to decide what's the next four years of your

848
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 1: life going to be like graduatings. And I haven't felt

849
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: that excited about anything really, I mean maybe since since

850
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: the last time I was kicked in my booty, uh

851
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: you know, and left corporate and then started the Mandy

852
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: money Makers and all of that. But with Brown Ambition,

853
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I have an opportunity to make this

854
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: show matter. I mean, it always has mattered, but to

855
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: just enhance it so much more. And one of the

856
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: things that I was thinking about with Brown Ambition is,

857
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, I really want to lean into the title

858
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: itself Brown Ambition. It was always meant to be, like

859
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: you said, like, we're not a monolith. I want to

860
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: have all different types of voices. I love it when

861
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: I have people on here on the Brown Table who

862
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: don't agree with me on something, and I'm like, yes,

863
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: like let's let's get into it. Let's debate a little bit.

864
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: It's tussle.

865
00:41:54,360 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: Yes, not the Philly tussle, Dsha tussle, now know I understand,

866
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't, but yeah, it's like intellectual tussle. Yeah, it's

867
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: And I just think that's what be a family, that's

868
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: what they need more than ever, is just a place

869
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: where they can hear us just like you know, validating

870
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: that experience and supporting one another.

871
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think there's something too to be said about

872
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: when I feel like when black women especially get together

873
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: and we can disagree about things, but one of those

874
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: things is not our humanity or our self respect and

875
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: a lot and most times when you're talking to other people,

876
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: you ain't you can't even get to the subject because

877
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: you still back at like, do I matter, Like you

878
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So you're still back at square one,

879
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: which is do you see me as humans? Do you

880
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: respect me? Do you recognize my dignity? So I feel

881
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: like with us, it's just like we don't got to

882
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: go to that part. But we may not agree on

883
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: some stuff, but one thing that we do agree on

884
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: is that you know, we deserve dignity and self respect

885
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: and that we are the top of the mountain over here.

886
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: Like so even if we don't, you know, we at

887
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: the top of the mountain disagreement, but we at this

888
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: mountain together. And I think that that's the difference of

889
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: when I talk to black women and frankly black men

890
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: and black queer folks, is that we do have we

891
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: definitely there. We don't agree on all things, but we

892
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: do agree on our self dignity and self respect. So

893
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: we don't have to start from grant, we don't have

894
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: to start from zero because you know other people are

895
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: just like, well, let me first find out if who

896
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: even like black people before we start this conversation. It's

897
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: like saying, who got time for that? Like by the

898
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: time we've done that, like that's what a civility conversation,

899
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: I'd be like, y'all got that because I just like

900
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I just like we

901
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: talking about it, mid do I deserve human rights? Like

902
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: what are we talking about? Like democracy? Like like I'm

903
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: just like, so that's why I don't mind talking to

904
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: black women or whatever, because I'm like like, at least

905
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: we're starting from zero, child, like you know, like you know,

906
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: it's it's different, you know it's different.

907
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of touching grass, I want to know what

908
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: what's given y'all joy these days? Like how are you

909
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: investing in yourselves? How are you taking care yourselves? Tell me?

910
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: And if.

911
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: I've been on Aaron's Instagram, I'm stalking like a mud

912
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: where I don't know where it was where you were, Oh,

913
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: I'll definitely call you out because shot it that played

914
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: some fabulous I screen shot it and I was like

915
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: vision board when West was like are we covering pe girl?

916
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: Journalists retreat where you guys go and take like matching,

917
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: No photos and you all amazing.

918
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 3: No, but I'm looking looking forward to our annual trip

919
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 3: this year. Shout out to Mama Shaddy crew. But so

920
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: this it's it's funny that you bring that up, Dha,

921
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: because I actually so last year during the holidays, No.

922
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three, during the holidays, I had found this

923
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: deal and booked this trip to Anguilla, and I was

924
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 3: so excited because I was like, oh, we've never been

925
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: to Anguilla before. You know, it got closer and closer.

926
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 3: In surprise, Kamala Harris's a nominee for president, so I

927
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: know there was no Labor Day weekend getaway, okay, like

928
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 3: that was not an option. So like, but I'm postponing

929
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: this trip and I'm pushing it back and I'm pushing

930
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 3: it back and I'm pushing it back. I'm like, oh,

931
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: we don't have time. We don't have time, but also

932
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: like we're burned out, so like we need a vacation.

933
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: And you know, the last time I tried to push

934
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: it back, the hotel was literally like, ma'am, if you

935
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: don't come down here, you are losing your deposit. And

936
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 3: I was just like no, no, like let me, let's

937
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: we got to figure this out, and so we finally

938
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: ended up going. I guess it was yeah, like right

939
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 3: after Thanksgiving, and I could not have been more grateful

940
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: that I really yet, like we just decided that we

941
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: were gonna do this, even though like, yes it was

942
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: you know, getting your together, did I know? I was like,

943
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 3: I ain't got time to go shopping before, I don't

944
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: have time for any that, but like, we're going to

945
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: make this happen. I'm so glad that we made the

946
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: decision to make it happen because we needed it. And

947
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: it was beautiful and there were all these black folks

948
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: working at this resort that just were so excited to

949
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: see us coming and took such an excellence care of us.

950
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I felt, yeah, like it really was

951
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: like a home away from home. And even though it

952
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 3: was just like it was like four or five days,

953
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: but like that was enough. That was enough time to

954
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 3: recharge and just to not be on a screen, to

955
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 3: not be thinking about anything else except the pool and

956
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 3: my next rum punch. I just had a friend, my

957
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 3: friend for her birthday, her birthday president from her husband

958
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: slash small children. Was you know that she got to

959
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: be by herself on a hotel. Yes, and it's like

960
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: I was like, yes, I don't know what.

961
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm going to send this to

962
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: my husband, just as.

963
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: I was going to.

964
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: You're doing whatever you want to do. I love that

965
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: riot so like beautiful, that's you. If nothing else, you're

966
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: getting one of those vacations this year. Many we're manifesting.

967
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: We're manifesting that.

968
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: For you, manifested by disappearing and just do it myself.

969
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: See you, you can't wait for other people to create

970
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: the space for you as you like. I am the planner.

971
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: I am the one who gets.

972
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: I think what I think. You know, my husband's a planner,

973
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: but I think the issue is that you know, he's

974
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 2: a group and he's a I won't say he gets.

975
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: He liked the discount deals and I'm sling about the

976
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: discount deals that be like, you know, just because it's

977
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: just like we're in a Ruba. I know that the

978
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: hotel may have roaches, but you know what we and

979
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: I've been like sir, sir, so let me just handle it,

980
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 2: because that's why I do like it's not RelA.

981
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: Why would he do that to you? His former social

982
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: secretary you.

983
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: The Obama's vacation to be.

984
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: At a certain level, you have to say, I kind

985
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: to do it with a budget.

986
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: So but he's very sweet. But I think that for me,

987
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: like I'm getting in touch with all the things that

988
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: I think I missed. Like I feel like when you

989
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: come around, like I just turned forty seven, and I

990
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: feel like when you come around, like you start to

991
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: see the other side of like your life and be like,

992
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: oh I miss that, like I miss it. Like West

993
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: brought me a sewing machine for my birthdays, I like

994
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: want to start it's just sew all the time. And

995
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: then Mike got you got time for sewing, like you know,

996
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: but he bought me a sewing machine, and I'm so

997
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: excited to take my classes. And it's like stuff like

998
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: that that I'm like going back to those things that

999
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: gave me so much like care, free, joy, definitely vacation.

1000
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: So for real, let's talk about let's talk about you

1001
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: antiquing though, Let's talk about that. I love my anti

1002
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: that's what that's your self care. Recently, I love.

1003
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: And I love the I have. I know, well, I

1004
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: had a birthday dinner here where I had vintage Black

1005
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: women at like black albums as the as the placement.

1006
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: So I went to go find like a bunch of

1007
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: old school and that got me into crate digging again,

1008
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: crate digging and getting. I mean, I just collect stuff

1009
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: whenever we actually buy a house, which maybe that's another comment.

1010
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Are you keeping it?

1011
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: Girl? Listen, you know I'm looking all around and you

1012
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: can't see. But so I think that I love that

1013
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, except when you find like you know,

1014
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: the Mammy pepper shakers and all that shit, But like,

1015
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: I just love that kind of stuff. I just it

1016
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: takes me back to just like a time of just

1017
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I like drifting. I like doing that,

1018
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: but I'm not trying to monetize it, like I'm not

1019
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: going to be doing it before and after photos.

1020
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this is just sit that again, because

1021
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: some things don't need to be done.

1022
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's okay, I don't do it.

1023
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 3: I'm not curating all these hobbies.

1024
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got trouble curating the videos I got, you

1025
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 2: know what I mean, But I don't got time. So

1026
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: so I love that and I just love like when

1027
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: my back was working, like I'll just walk by myself

1028
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: for hours and listen to music and then I'll get

1029
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: tired and be like, let's come pick me up. I

1030
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: will do that for hours and just have people over,

1031
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: like I'm into the I'm into the high house parties.

1032
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: Everybody come over, we order some takeout, like I don't

1033
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: need to be getting dressed up all the time, Like

1034
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: BALI laughs on the occasion where I can laugh so

1035
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: hard that I can't.

1036
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: Breathe, those are so medicinal. Like yesterday, I flung myself

1037
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: down this slippery like snowy slope with my five year

1038
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: old and I'm so glad. It was the worst video

1039
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: I ever took in my life, but I could get

1040
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: the audio. I could hear us both just cackling like

1041
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: crazy fools, and I'm like, this is and you're breathing

1042
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: and just like breathing in the cold air and like

1043
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: losing your breath and just like doorphins and then the

1044
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: joy And if you're going to anyone's house, I feel

1045
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: like in the near future, bring a game with you.

1046
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: Bring a fun game. You guys have a favorite game

1047
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: you play with groups, we should share.

1048
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 3: You know what. I'm actually not really a game person,

1049
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: but I recent believe was at a front. I mean,

1050
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: I don't have the attention span. If I'm being honest,

1051
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1052
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,240
Speaker 1: Talking dungeons and dragons, you know.

1053
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: No, But I mean even like Monopoly, how many times

1054
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: we're going around the board.

1055
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: How many how many bloss how many other guy buy

1056
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: you game?

1057
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 3: Over passed? Go again? No, but I was at a

1058
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 3: friend's house recently for for a little house house gathering

1059
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: and Jinga was broken out.

1060
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying.

1061
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 3: That is very stressful. However, it is fun, but.

1062
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: It is very stressful. Fund illustrations what is it? Were

1063
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: like a something and then you give it to the

1064
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: next person they have to guess what it is and

1065
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: the next person. It's really fun. And we just bought

1066
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: illustrations after dark, so the slicey version. So we're game.

1067
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: We are we are. It's just be me and West

1068
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: and some drinks and whatever else we got. We were.

1069
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: We were just it's only us. So it is put

1070
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: the phone away before I get to texting people when

1071
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: I don't need to be texting people. So like, you know,

1072
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: but we just we have a whole like thing like

1073
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: scrabble and the stuff was playing it like you know.

1074
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as a wordsmith, Aaron, I think andishit too.

1075
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you've written a whole book, but you

1076
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: have to get this game poetry for Neanderthals. It is

1077
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: so much. I saw the cast of Bridgerton playing it

1078
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: in an Instagram photo and all I saw was one

1079
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: of them had a bat, like a blow up inflatable club,

1080
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, I have to find out a

1081
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: game they're playing. And I just played it with some friends.

1082
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: So you get a card has a word on it,

1083
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: but you can only use monos monos syllabic words with

1084
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: one syllable thank you, where you get hit with a

1085
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: bat and it is the most fun. There's a Not

1086
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: Safer Work edition and it's filthy. And my one and

1087
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: a half year old was in Daddy was in my

1088
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: husband's lap the whole time, and he's just like, dude,

1089
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: do you guys are having fun? He was riveted. He

1090
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: didn't know what we were saying. Obviously the five year

1091
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: olds were playing.

1092
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: He maybe was enjoying the bat abuse.

1093
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: He was they love the bats. They should send additional

1094
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: bats if you have kids, just to distract them. But

1095
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: when you get back to the head with an inflatable

1096
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: club and you're like drinking a really nice glass of

1097
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: wine and it's so ridiculous.

1098
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 2: It was so ridiculous. It's at those moments of just

1099
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: like it almost is like a moment of like the

1100
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: care free black girl curiosity, which is why, like in

1101
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: the whole book movie, I'm like, where are the black

1102
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: girls that write anime in comics? Like I need to

1103
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: hang out with y'all too, because y'all just be y'all

1104
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: be having fun over here drawn these little animations and

1105
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: stuff like, I mean, I don't need to be nonfiction

1106
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: all the time. Like I'm good like where the anime?

1107
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 3: I feel like in the Pandemic, we definitely got back

1108
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: to the idea of rest and like reclaiming rest. But

1109
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: I think now like yes, reclaiming play play. It's also

1110
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: like so important because yeah, I mean like it gets

1111
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 3: you out of your comfort zone and especially you know,

1112
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: don't be like, you know, some professional, buttoned up person

1113
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: who you know forgot to have fun, Like no, what

1114
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 3: a trampoline park?

1115
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: Or yeah I'm going and they're like, what's the claws

1116
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: on the back? Back to work?

1117
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 3: You do not go to the trampoline park my.

1118
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: Back, just like you should have saw me in here,

1119
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: like what did you do?

1120
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: What did you enter it.

1121
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: I think I moved the table, like when we had

1122
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: the had my birthday dinner. I think I moved the table,

1123
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 2: and you know, and my husband knows me, so he's

1124
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 2: like knees and I.

1125
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: Was like, your butt, your.

1126
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: No, you're supposed to like bend you supposed to it's

1127
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: supposed to bend. Then anyway, whatever I did, it was

1128
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm right then one right, so I think I just

1129
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: jack it all up. But then the worst like and

1130
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: then like everything started to pile on, like you know,

1131
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: time of the month came at the same time, you

1132
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: know what I mean, just be like love but thankfully,

1133
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: like this whole weekend, I just I literally just sat

1134
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: and there, got up, did some things, so it was cool,

1135
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: but it was just like, but I get maxed. It's

1136
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: like that's your body telling you to rest. I'm like, no,

1137
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: I'm old, like you sat, somebody tell me.

1138
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in pain. Sometimes it is wrong. I'd

1139
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: be if I cough wrong. My lower back is a wrap,

1140
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: Like why what is that?

1141
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't like forgot. I just mentally willed myself to

1142
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: forget about my right ankle because the way I was

1143
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: climbing that slope yesterday and my my snow boots it

1144
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: was twisting all which ways. What we're wrong?

1145
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: Listen, black crack, what these joints do?

1146
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 2: You ain't never? I mean all the time, all the

1147
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: It's like God is good all the time, all the time,

1148
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: all the time.

1149
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I'm on the movies or you guys

1150
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: like movie buffs or you like to read to bring

1151
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: Joy TV.

1152
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: So this is you asking me about my to B addiction?

1153
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: Is that what you're doing?

1154
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: Do you have a what do you watch?

1155
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: On? To bone?

1156
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: Got real serious? To be.

1157
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 3: To B is my guilty pleasure. Okay, I cover things

1158
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 3: that can sometimes be very heavy and I need to

1159
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: check all the way out. And so when I'm doing that,

1160
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 3: what am I watching? Ten toes down or plug love?

1161
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: My side piece won the lottery. There's so many, so

1162
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: many good ones. I can say enough that there was

1163
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 3: twos y'all, I'm telling the two b birds.

1164
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: That's a true show. It's a true show.

1165
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: The imagination of our people is really especially shout out

1166
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 3: to Detroit because you all are prolific with the storytelling

1167
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: on to be Like, it's a lot, it's a lot.

1168
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: It's free, right, it's free.

1169
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: It is free and they are just there. The library

1170
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 3: is vast, sugar Mama.

1171
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: Also not what I got a reality show.

1172
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 3: No, it's a movie. It was a movie that had

1173
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: a very interesting plot twist. So yeah, definitely watching lots

1174
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 3: and lots of two b M.

1175
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 2: I would say, I run the gamut, like I love

1176
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: like sever In back and waiting for Handmaids, you know,

1177
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: and I love uh Lotus. Yes, in the spring, White

1178
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 2: Lotus is coming back.

1179
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: And you can't be watching White hand Man's Yeah.

1180
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: It's my girlfriends and I get together and watch it.

1181
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: And my mother in law was like, what kind of

1182
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 2: girlfriend's party is that? But then also I'm just like Aaron,

1183
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: like I will I love my I love my ninety

1184
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: day fiance franchise. I love the show called Love After

1185
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: lock Up. It's so yes trifling, it's very exploited. It's

1186
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: very I'm like, we'st be like West is like this,

1187
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I know, but I need to just

1188
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: find out what happens, Like I just need to find

1189
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: out they make it, you know what I mean? Like,

1190
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: I so I think about you get investing, you get.

1191
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: So just speaking speaking of which later daters, did everybody

1192
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: watch here?

1193
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: It's great.

1194
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh man, you gotta watch it. It's like joyful, right,

1195
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: It's so joyful.

1196
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: I highly recommend Later Das. I love it and I'm

1197
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: to go season two.

1198
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: I am too. I was so into the lady that

1199
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: liked the Georgia Bulldogs. The lady listen. She was like,

1200
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: it's a great date, but do you love the Georgia

1201
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: Bulldog Like she was.

1202
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: Like, you're you're a banda fan, like this is over

1203
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 3: this at.

1204
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: This is oh my gosh. Okay, Later Daters.

1205
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to watch that. That's good that I'm.

1206
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: A below deck sailing. I'm a below deck every franchise fan.

1207
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: The mess you can't you I haven't watched it. They're

1208
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: so good, you know, because the tricks you need to

1209
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: think you're learning something new, like I'm learning about nautica

1210
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: nautical engineering, like how this yacht is going to like

1211
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: stay afloat, you know. But but she has all like

1212
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: twenty five year olds who are hot and have different

1213
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: accents and from all these random countries, and the guests

1214
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 1: are hilarious. A lot of Jamil Hill was on the

1215
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: random Yeah, and she luckily was one of the least

1216
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: interesting episodes because they were normal. But a lot of

1217
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: guests are crazy, and it's like you get to listen

1218
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: to the like doubt now be like the people who

1219
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: work behind the scenes just like talk about the clientele,

1220
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: and but you get to see everything. It's so good. Yeah,

1221
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: so I would start. I was telling you I would.

1222
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: Start, Honestly, you need to.

1223
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: But they're stuck on a ship.

1224
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: Yes, man, you have at work, and they're at work,

1225
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: so the rules get broken up. Drunk. You're not supposed

1226
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: to drink on outings, but you show up drunk and

1227
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: you're in trouble.

1228
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 3: With the captain and you're operating about a lot of

1229
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 3: people get fired.

1230
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: It's great. It's everything you want. Also, y'all need to

1231
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: go see one of them days if you haven't yet, Oh,

1232
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: I want to.

1233
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 3: I want to chant out to them like that movie's

1234
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: doing better than the Fossa like.

1235
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: Number one, number one in the country. I want to

1236
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: hear nothing about it was a quiet week and all

1237
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: that crap. Note the writing, Kiki Palmer, I sent, I

1238
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: haven't done this in so long. I had to email

1239
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: the AP reporter Aaron Jake something because he mixed up

1240
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: two of the black actresses names who played two He

1241
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: said Janelle from a Elementary was the side piece girlfriend.

1242
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, that was not her, and then he

1243
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: anyway whatever. I had to email him because also his

1244
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: review was like the headline said, one of them days

1245
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: will convince you. Keiky Palmer is a star. I was like,

1246
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: who needs.

1247
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 3: To convince you?

1248
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: Yes, h Jake, because the rest of us have known

1249
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: that for two decades now. It's so funny.

1250
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we got we always got literally like legit,

1251
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 2: like like I'm surprised you you probably say, say not Beyonce,

1252
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: like what where you been? Where you been?

1253
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 3: Beyonce's halftime performance proof.

1254
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you my god, she's on the come up, okay, wants.

1255
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 3: To be breakthrough performance at halftime.

1256
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: Oh god, we now see her full potential.

1257
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: Like okay, see, we can't fix it. We can't fix

1258
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: it all.

1259
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 2: We can't be there, cannot, cannot could, It's.

1260
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: Always gonna happen. But that was fun. I mean, just

1261
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: like any moment to spark joy guard. Yeah, dancing music,

1262
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: I hope I wish that for y'all. More trips Aaron

1263
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: and actually go tell Boothang that he needs to make

1264
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: sure that you go.

1265
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a journalism too, so y'all take the trip.

1266
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: Yes, we need the trips.

1267
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: Take the trip or because we're right Brown ambition, save

1268
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: for the trip and then make sure you book it cash,

1269
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: get those points, but then pay off the cards.

1270
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: You know what I mean those points? Yeah, twenty five people.

1271
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm about to lose my one K status there,

1272
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna have a I'm gonna have a little

1273
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: funeral status United Girl United Premiere one ky I'm a

1274
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 2: Delta because so this is the thing. So I did.

1275
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: I did teach it for the Obamas and it was

1276
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: like one was Australia, one was the South Africa, and

1277
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: you know, I flew business class, which means that put me.

1278
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm loving this as long and they

1279
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: and they are about to they about to take it away.

1280
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: One more trip from them.

1281
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 2: Yes I have.

1282
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 3: I had to make sure, like because you know, Mandy,

1283
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 3: you know the Delta life. Like you get to December

1284
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: and it's like, you know what, let me make sure

1285
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: I've got my status for next year locked.

1286
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of a sickness, but.

1287
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 3: Listen, that's the brand ambition I'm talking about, Like, let

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Speaker 3: me sure I'm trying to I'm trying to go from

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Speaker 3: platinum diamond, like like.

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Speaker 1: Me, just try diamond. But he works in sales. He's

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Speaker 1: always on a plane, right, I don't. I don't have

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Speaker 1: that lifestyle. But it's okay. We have so much more

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Speaker 1: going for us.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Y'all have two time guests on Brown Ambition, So you

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Speaker 1: got that going for you?

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Speaker 3: Do you know who I am? I'm gonna. I'm definitely

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Speaker 3: presenting that the next the next time I'm in a

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Speaker 3: Starbucks too.

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Speaker 2: Definitely should be worse.

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Speaker 1: Honestly should you should get this?

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Speaker 2: Cause the first time I was on, somebody was like,

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Speaker 2: how did you get on that show? And I was like,

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Speaker 2: I know people, I know people.

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Speaker 1: We never respond to guest inquiries, but your person was

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Speaker 1: so good and obviously it was person. Yes I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: him when.

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Speaker 2: He is so good. Oh he was. He was a

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Speaker 2: super show.

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Speaker 1: He was great, he was amazing, amazing, best email writer

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Speaker 1: because I really ignore a lot of those interview requests,

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Speaker 1: but when it's good, it's good.

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Speaker 2: So he's he said, I want to make your wishless

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Speaker 2: come true and I was like, okay, and he did.

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Speaker 1: Well there you know. Sad enough, there are not very

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Speaker 1: many shows at our level that are hosted by women

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Speaker 1: of color, So it is I know, and I wish

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Speaker 1: more people knew that. We got to do better job

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Speaker 1: getting that out there, because if you're a black author

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Speaker 1: wanting to sell books like Brown Ambition is one of

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Speaker 1: the best places to come. Aaron, are you working on

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Speaker 1: a book that I make that up?

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Speaker 3: Yep, Nope, you did not. No, I mean I kind of,

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Speaker 3: but no. Yeah, now there's there's a book in the works,

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Speaker 3: like I can talk about it right now, not yet,

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Speaker 3: but but no, like, yes, there there's a book.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a publisher?

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Speaker 2: Yes, You'm gonna have to talk behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: All right, fine, uh, I can always edit it out,

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Speaker 1: but okay, all right, Well, I want to thank my

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Speaker 1: guest Aaron Haynes dshad I for joining Brown Ambition, for

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Speaker 1: joining the Brown Table. And it's exactly worked how I

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Speaker 1: wanted it to. I feel so much better after the

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Speaker 1: that was just going on, and I hope you be

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Speaker 1: a fan also feel better and can move forward a

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Speaker 1: little bit of optimism. Keep investing in yourselves, taking care

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Speaker 1: of yourselves, and go find Aaron and Desha on socials. Aaron,

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Speaker 1: you're at e marvelous on I G are you still

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Speaker 1: on x Twitter whatever it is sure when you shot

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Speaker 1: on threads, you want threads.

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Speaker 3: I'm on Blue Sky and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Spell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come hang out with me on spell.

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Speaker 1: You guys, Dsha where the threads, girlies. We I love

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Speaker 1: following you on threads.

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Speaker 2: I was off for a while and I got back on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good time. Suck, Dsha. You are aware

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Speaker 1: at Dsha Dyer. I'm d dire to success, Dire. I'll

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Speaker 1: put them in the show again. Go get that book. Undiplomatic.

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Speaker 1: Aaron will see you again when you have a book too.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to have you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'd love to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, I'm aye for having us