Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds.
Speaker 2: And President Biden called Donald Trump's Madison Square Garden rally
Speaker 2: simply embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Pretty good assessment.
Speaker 2: We have such a great show for you today, Talking
Speaker 2: points memos. Josh Marshall stops by to parse why Trump's
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden rally was so insane.
Speaker 3: Then we'll talk to.
Speaker 2: CNN political analyst and writer for The Atlantic Ron Brownstein
Speaker 2: about what he is seeing in early voting. But first,
Speaker 2: the news, a lot of news.
Speaker 4: So Molly, what was miss during the Trump rally at
Speaker 4: MSG was actually really important was a CNN interview with
Speaker 4: Tom Holman, who you and I covered in our Project
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five documentary for being one of the architects
Speaker 4: of the immigration policy in the next Trump administration if
Speaker 4: they get in.
Speaker 2: He is the former Ice head and this is his
Speaker 2: plan for mass deportation of a documented immigrants. And let
Speaker 2: me just say, it's not like he hid this. He
Speaker 2: went and said this on sixty eight minutes.
Speaker 5: Why should a child who is an American citizen have
Speaker 5: to pack up and move to a country that.
Speaker 6: They don't know because their parent absolutely into the country
Speaker 6: illegally had a child knowing he was in the country legally.
Speaker 6: So he created that crisis.
Speaker 5: While Homan ran ice.
Speaker 3: In what became one of the most controversial policies of
Speaker 3: the Trump administration, at least five thousand migrant children were forcibly.
Speaker 5: Separated from their parents.
Speaker 3: Who were prosecuted for crossing the border illegally.
Speaker 5: You've been called the.
Speaker 7: Father of Trump's family separation policy.
Speaker 3: How does that sit with you?
Speaker 6: It's not true. I didn't write the memory of a
Speaker 6: separate families. I signed a memo. Why did I sign, am?
Speaker 6: I was hoping to save lives? Why you and I
Speaker 6: are talking right now? Child's going to die on the
Speaker 6: board it so we thought, maybe we prosecute people, they'll
Speaker 6: stop coming.
Speaker 5: Maybe and if Trump wins the second term.
Speaker 6: I don't know of any formal policy, but they're talking
Speaker 6: about family separations.
Speaker 7: Should it be on the table I.
Speaker 6: Think needs to be considered.
Speaker 5: Absolutely so.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the point is they're planning mass deportation, and we
Speaker 2: know this because they're telling us on sixty minutes.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's very jarring that he's basically
Speaker 4: saying that it doesn't matter if a member or your
Speaker 4: family's here a legal or not, that they're just going
Speaker 4: to rip you apart. And I want to make a
Speaker 4: point too that you know, Trump has said that he
Speaker 4: doesn't know these Project twenty twenty five people. He's repeatedly
Speaker 4: on video said I'm hiring this guy to do this,
Speaker 4: So there's no wiggling around this bullshit.
Speaker 2: I mean, he worked in the Trump admin and he
Speaker 2: worked on Project twenty twenty five, and he's planning to
Speaker 2: deport But I think the scariest part of all of
Speaker 2: this is they're deporting boas documented and under documented immigrants.
Speaker 2: So this will mean that if you have a family,
Speaker 2: and we saw a lot of reporting about this, most
Speaker 2: families you'll have one illegal member of the family. Well
Speaker 2: now it will be that everyone else in the family
Speaker 2: will get deported.
Speaker 4: So Molly jd Vance, you know, Charisma King, here's some
Speaker 4: thoughts about how people should feel about the remark from
Speaker 4: Tony Hinchcliff at the Garden saying that Puerto Rico is
Speaker 4: a floating island of garbage.
Speaker 2: So I just want to pause for a second and
Speaker 2: talk about this for one more second. So Republicans from
Speaker 2: Florida and from a lot of states to the Puerto
Speaker 2: Ricans are freaking out right. There are half a million
Speaker 2: Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania, the must win state of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: so they are all freaking out. Okay, now listen to
Speaker 2: jd Vance's very sensitive response to Puerto Rican people being
Speaker 2: offended by having their island be called a pile of garbage.
Speaker 8: I've heard about the joke.
Speaker 9: I haven't actually seen the joke that you mentioned, but
Speaker 9: I think that it's telling that Kamala Harris's closing message
Speaker 9: is essentially that all of Donald Trump's voters are Nazis,
Speaker 9: and you should get really pissed off about a comedian
Speaker 9: telling a joke that is not the message of a
Speaker 9: winning campaign, and most importantly, it's not the message of
Speaker 9: a person who's fit to be the president of the
Speaker 9: United States of America. And my own view on this is,
Speaker 9: look again, I haven't seen the joke. You know, maybe
Speaker 9: it's a stupid racist shoke, as you said, maybe it's not.
Speaker 5: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 9: I'm not going to comment on the specifics of the joke,
Speaker 9: but I think that we have to stop getting so
Speaker 9: offended at every little thing in the United States of America.
Speaker 5: I'm just I'm so over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if you're bad Bunny or j Loo and you're
Speaker 2: offended by the fact that the comedian a Donald Trump
Speaker 2: Broop's rally called Puerto Rico a pile of garbage, well
Speaker 2: Evans has a message for you.
Speaker 3: Get over it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we should say Trump only won Pennsylvania by point
Speaker 4: seventy two percent and Biden won by one point seven percent,
Speaker 4: but Puerto Ricans in Pennsylvania are three point eight percent
Speaker 4: of the population, so a lot of movement could happen there.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also everyone is in damage control about this comment
Speaker 2: except Jade Evans, who was telling them to get over
Speaker 2: it because they are being two pc and sensitive when
Speaker 2: they're offended that their island was maligned by a racist.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we should just say that fifty
Speaker 2: cent the performer was offered three million dollars to perform
Speaker 2: at Donald Trump's rally, and he said, no, three million
Speaker 2: dollars a lot of money. It's a lot of money,
Speaker 2: and it shows how toxic the Trump rallies are because
Speaker 2: he was he was offered three million dollars to perform
Speaker 2: at the Madison Square of Bardon rally and he said no,
Speaker 2: which good on him, and then also good on you know.
Speaker 2: We've been waiting to see if George W. Bush will
Speaker 2: endorse Harris, but we have seen that his daughter Barbara
Speaker 2: is actually canvassing for Harris. Another thing that is really
Speaker 2: shows just how unusual the Trump election is that the
Speaker 2: fact that pretty much both on the left and the
Speaker 2: right have aligned to support Harris.
Speaker 4: Somali in both Washington and Oregon. Drop boxes we're set
Speaker 4: on fire and Phoenix police have the suspected custody. What
Speaker 4: are you seeing here?
Speaker 2: This has happened in a couple states, someone who's unhinged
Speaker 2: setting fire to drop boxes. We're seeing a lot of this,
Speaker 2: and look, we're of course we're seeing this. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is encouraging it. Here's a guy who's setting fire to
Speaker 2: drop boxes in Arizona, but we saw somebody doing it
Speaker 2: in Washington State, and I'm sure we'll see more of it.
Speaker 2: And that's why we all have to be super vigilant
Speaker 2: and careful. It's really just exactly what we don't want.
Speaker 2: It's exactly what has not happened, and it's the kind
Speaker 2: of thing that only happens once Donald Trump, you know,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is encouraged his kind of behavior, so none
Speaker 2: of us should be surprised.
Speaker 4: Somali. Mister Trump a man who's known for reading the
Speaker 4: room really well. He said the massive Square Garden rally
Speaker 4: was a LoveFest.
Speaker 2: Funny because you'll remember he said that the January sixth
Speaker 2: insurrection was a love fest. They love him, right, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump calls it a love fest when his people do
Speaker 2: stuff to protect or to elevate him, or to storm
Speaker 2: the capitol. That is Donald Trump's idea of a love fest,
Speaker 2: but it is no one else's idea of a love fest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one might think he's only concerned with the reaction
Speaker 4: towards him when they were clapping for him, so he saw.
Speaker 5: It as good enough.
Speaker 2: Right. But you know, he did do this press or
Speaker 2: at mar Lago today as a way of trying to,
Speaker 2: I think, enact a little damage control after the Sunday
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden rally went so off the rails.
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 2: That that question where he said it was a love fest,
Speaker 2: that's another really good example of how Trump is sort
Speaker 2: of unable to help himself. Like this smart answer there
Speaker 2: would have been like there were some thing's got out
Speaker 2: of hand, but we love the people of Puerto Rico,
Speaker 2: and we know that they're Americans just like everyone else.
Speaker 2: But instead he just was like there were no bad jokes.
Speaker 2: It was a love fest. So I do think like
Speaker 2: this between him and JD. Vans, they really have handled
Speaker 2: this just about as poorly as anyone could handle it.
Speaker 2: And it's hard for me to imagine being a Puerto
Speaker 2: Rican American and not feeling like these people do not
Speaker 2: have my best interests in that sounds right, which of
Speaker 2: course they don't. Josh Marshall is the editor of Talking
Speaker 2: Points Memo. Welcome back to the Fast Politics Josh Marshall.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me again.
Speaker 3: Here we are six days from.
Speaker 2: The election that will side whether or not we have
Speaker 2: elections anymore discussed.
Speaker 10: I was telling someone I have been trying to embrace
Speaker 10: the uncertainty because I think that's where we are right,
Speaker 10: it's uncertain. I wrote a piece that there's a difference
Speaker 10: between the closest election ever and the most uncertain election ever,
Speaker 10: and I'm not sure it's that close.
Speaker 3: Well, we don't know. I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's high uncertainty, and look at a certain level,
Speaker 10: if it's super close, it's very uncertain. That's kind of
Speaker 10: you know, that's kind of the way it works. But
Speaker 10: I do think and every election, every high stakes election,
Speaker 10: contains a lot of uncertainty. But I do think that
Speaker 10: there are factors that make this one more uncertain, more
Speaker 10: possibilities than usual, and a lot of those have to
Speaker 10: do with polling, with trying to understand what happened in
Speaker 10: the sort of the mechanics of the twenty twenty election,
Speaker 10: in terms of the COVID pandemic, changes in polls.
Speaker 5: All this kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: When we look at these polls that I think, as
Speaker 10: we all know basic say, it is like literally tied
Speaker 10: to the extent that things can be tied. There's a
Speaker 10: lot of assumptions that go into those polls. That's always
Speaker 10: the case with polls, but there's probably even more this time.
Speaker 10: People have had to make assumptions about what the electorate
Speaker 10: looks like and stuff like that, and those could be mistaken,
Speaker 10: and those could end up giving us a result that
Speaker 10: swings a few points in either direction, and obviously, in
Speaker 10: our day and age, a few points is like you know,
Speaker 10: a landslide.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of uncertainty, are real uncertainty.
Speaker 3: Right, And I think what's really.
Speaker 2: Important here when we talk about this is that Trump
Speaker 2: historically gets at an electorate that is a non voting electorate,
Speaker 2: and that's why he won in twenty sixteen. He was
Speaker 2: able to re summons those people in twenty twenty, though
Speaker 2: he didn't win. And now you know, it's almost a
Speaker 2: decade later, we are all fucking tired.
Speaker 3: The man is still running.
Speaker 2: And again the strat is is still the same, double
Speaker 2: down on the really offensive staff and hope that the
Speaker 2: low propensity ones and twos come.
Speaker 10: Out, right, Yeah, for better or worse, we know at
Speaker 10: many levels, you know, Donald Trump calls the shots. That's
Speaker 10: what the people who love him love about him. I
Speaker 10: think that is real about his campaigns, right. And one
Speaker 10: of the things that you know, it's been a lot
Speaker 10: of talk for the last year that he finally has
Speaker 10: Chris Lasovita and Susie Wiles and there you know, they
Speaker 10: have figured out how to tame him, not tame him
Speaker 10: from being fairal and crazy, but make him seem normal, yes,
Speaker 10: to run a real campaign. I think what we have
Speaker 10: seen in these final weeks is that he's running a
Speaker 10: He's running a Trump campaign there too, but he's going
Speaker 10: to double down. He's not a reach out kind of person.
Speaker 10: He's a double down kind of person. And he's going
Speaker 10: to try to get hold of his people and get
Speaker 10: hold of his people who maybe are ready to be
Speaker 10: his people, but weren't his people yet. You know, this
Speaker 10: whole idea that you know, there are people out there
Speaker 10: who love Trump but they've just never voted before, and
Speaker 10: get them to vote. There's you know, there's more people
Speaker 10: he does that. He wants to, you know, demoralize the opposition.
Speaker 10: A lot of head faking and stuff like that. So
Speaker 10: it's he's a double down kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Right, So Sunday he had this Madison Square Garden rally.
Speaker 2: This is part of these weird rallies he's doing, like
Speaker 2: the one he did in California. He had one in Coulchella, right,
Speaker 2: Couldchella Valley, This one where all these people got stranded.
Speaker 2: He had another one in another blue state. And the
Speaker 2: idea here is that they are control fundraising and they
Speaker 2: create this atmosphere of winning. But this one athlete spare
Speaker 2: of Puerto Ricans endorsing Kama Harris, including Bad Bunny, j
Speaker 2: Lo and Ricky Martin discuss.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's you know, it's hard, always hard to know,
Speaker 10: you know, what celebrity endorsements mean. I mean, I would
Speaker 10: have been a little surprised if Jlo endorsed Trump. So
Speaker 10: you know, if you had told me she endorsed Harris
Speaker 10: six months ago, I would have been utterly unsurprised. But
Speaker 10: I do think this has broken through in a significant way.
Speaker 10: I think it's clearly broken through with people in the
Speaker 10: Puerto Rican community, which a lot of people think, ah,
Speaker 10: in New York, Puerto Ricans who live in New York. Obviously,
Speaker 10: lots of Puerto Rican Americans. I mean, there's no such
Speaker 10: thing as a Puerto Rican American. Pert Ricans are Americans
Speaker 10: part of the United States. Many live in Florida. A
Speaker 10: significant number live in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: So half a million.
Speaker 2: Did you know half a million Puerto Ricans lived in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 5: I did not.
Speaker 10: I don't know how much that's concentrated in the eastern
Speaker 10: part of the state or Pittsburgh or just kind of everywhere.
Speaker 10: Doesn't matter though, right, yeah, exactly, it doesn't matter for
Speaker 10: these purposes. I do think that that is the most
Speaker 10: kind of eye popping remark. There's a lot, a lot
Speaker 10: of things this guy said, everybody knew going in this
Speaker 10: is going to you know, they're setting themselves up for
Speaker 10: sort of a replay of the first go around in
Speaker 10: nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 5: Right, what they did is sort of a Nazi rally.
Speaker 3: The German American booned yet booned.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I think the whole thing has kind of
Speaker 10: broken through a bit, just in the sense that it's
Speaker 10: not a shock to anybody that there are a lot
Speaker 10: of like racists and weird people around Donald Trump, but
Speaker 10: from the perspective of the Trump campaign that you don't
Speaker 10: want that to be your closing argument, right, like, we're
Speaker 10: super racist. And I think this could have some impact
Speaker 10: on the results of the election because it's you know,
Speaker 10: because it seems to be very close, and you know,
Speaker 10: there's a lot of other things that this and other
Speaker 10: people there said. It's just everything works best for Trump
Speaker 10: when they keep the sort of you know, the really
Speaker 10: fairal degenerates kind of in the back room, you know,
Speaker 10: with a with a direct lawn to the base. But
Speaker 10: when you bring them out in front of normal people,
Speaker 10: things get a little shaky. And it wasn't a great
Speaker 10: time to bring them out in front of normal people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and It's funny because it's like Elon has devoted
Speaker 2: himself to helping the Trump campaign in any way possible.
Speaker 2: You could make the supposition that this might be connected
Speaker 2: to this recent reporting from the Wall Street Journal, which
Speaker 2: on the news side does amazing stuff and has all
Speaker 2: this reporting about how Elon has talked to Vladimir Putin
Speaker 2: more than once, right, which technically is someone who sits
Speaker 2: on a pile of government contract and has very high
Speaker 2: security clears is pretty problematic.
Speaker 3: So you could see where he might have some motivation there.
Speaker 2: But he does seem and he didn't maybe seem this
Speaker 2: way as much four years ago. He does seem to
Speaker 2: be one of that crowd of this sort of deep
Speaker 2: and dark white national I mean, you know, I won't
Speaker 2: say he's a white nationalist, but he certainly does not
Speaker 2: seem uncomfortable with Stephen Miller.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean, he may not be, but all his friends are, right.
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, maybe in a way it doesn't matter.
Speaker 10: It's what he says and his friends and who he
Speaker 10: gives money to and all that kind of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 10: I think that Elon Musk in general is kind of
Speaker 10: overdetermined in the sense that he's just a weird on
Speaker 10: several levels, guy who's very impulsive, who clearly has some
Speaker 10: issues in his personal life that have driven some of this.
Speaker 10: And I get the sense that he's just you know,
Speaker 10: sometimes people get really into bling, that's their new thing,
Speaker 10: and fascism is Elon's new bling, and he's really into
Speaker 10: it right now. And it wouldn't one hundred percent surprise
Speaker 10: me if it was something he wasn't as into in
Speaker 10: a few years. And again, I'm not like excusing him.
Speaker 10: He's just an impulsive, weird person and he's fixated on this.
Speaker 2: It seems like a celebrity who's got you know, who
Speaker 2: has got a cause that they're sort of interested in
Speaker 2: but might not be interested in a couple of years.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's the capricious nature I've been
Speaker 2: so struck by as someone who you know, grew up with,
Speaker 2: you know, not so famous, but a little famous people
Speaker 2: and also a lot of people who had some money.
Speaker 2: Was that what this election shows so deeply is that
Speaker 2: the corrosive facts that wealth and power have on the
Speaker 2: human soul. I mean, I am just stopped by the
Speaker 2: people who come out and you know, they really are
Speaker 2: their tax bracket. Trump ists. Right, they may or may
Speaker 2: not believe, but maybe they believe that, maybe they don't.
Speaker 2: Who cares again, but they have you know, decided that
Speaker 2: the tax brackets, may you know, to pay less taxes,
Speaker 2: they will go along with white nationalism and possibly the
Speaker 2: end of democracy.
Speaker 10: In some ways, it is a very much a thing
Speaker 10: for a certain kind of liberal to think, like, well,
Speaker 10: is he actually white nationalists? Is actually this? Do they
Speaker 10: really believe this? As is often the case in life,
Speaker 10: it doesn't really matter what you believe, it's what you do.
Speaker 10: And clearly these are people who, you know, if someone
Speaker 10: came up to me and said, Hey, we're going to
Speaker 10: go watch alligators have sex and then we're going to
Speaker 10: cut their heads off and put their heads onto our
Speaker 10: heads and dance around in the blood, I would say
Speaker 10: that's so weird. I no matter how cool you are,
Speaker 10: I can't. That's too weird for me. And you have
Speaker 10: these people who it's not too weird for them.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this annoying thing and bring up
Speaker 3: a tweet.
Speaker 1: I hate it when people interview me and bring up
Speaker 1: a tweet, But this I think is relevant because I
Speaker 1: think it's a really important idea.
Speaker 2: I'm going to read the tweet as very annoying. But
Speaker 2: this is who Trump is, and this is what Trump
Speaker 2: is them is.
Speaker 3: But there's a.
Speaker 2: Part of this that isn't widely known and this is
Speaker 2: absolutely one hundred percent sure to a lot of reporters,
Speaker 2: and that is that there are a lot of these
Speaker 2: pop operatives I'm now you know, speaking stemborraneously and staffers
Speaker 2: under thirty who are in fact to come from for
Speaker 2: fin So explain that to our listeners and maybe with
Speaker 2: a little more clarity.
Speaker 10: So, oh right, So there's a series of online communities
Speaker 10: that go back a number of years, and there places
Speaker 10: where the in cells hang out and the white nationalists
Speaker 10: hang out, and a lot of you know, hardcore racist,
Speaker 10: far right things are just part of the vernacular and
Speaker 10: that's that kind of world. And so they are online
Speaker 10: spaces that have that four chan is one of them.
Speaker 10: There's eight chan. There are used to be certain subreddits.
Speaker 10: There's you know, just all these kind of places out there,
Speaker 10: and there is a whole cadre of young Republican operatives
Speaker 10: and staffers who not only have spent time there, but
Speaker 10: in so many of the cases being there in the
Speaker 10: sort of post game or gate that whole kind of world.
Speaker 10: That's where they decided they were Republicans, or they decided
Speaker 10: they were far right. The point is that that was
Speaker 10: where they had their political awakenings. Basically, this isn't surprising necessarily,
Speaker 10: but this kind of got on my radar because, you know,
Speaker 10: I am in charge of this news publication and I'm
Speaker 10: almost never the reporter. I'm seldom the immediate editor. But
Speaker 10: in our big stories, I'll get brought in just to
Speaker 10: kind of kick the tires and whatever. And in story
Speaker 10: after story, sort of like, okay, the person who got
Speaker 10: who's getting in trouble for their you know, for their
Speaker 10: old tweets. Maybe maybe that person came from four chan,
Speaker 10: but okay, turns out his boss started at four chan
Speaker 10: two and like and and okay, here's the here's the
Speaker 10: guy who is not as bad and he was.
Speaker 5: A source for us. Wow, he's also from four chan.
Speaker 5: Like wait, what's going on here?
Speaker 10: And this would just keep happening again and again and
Speaker 10: again and I and I realized that it was pervasive,
Speaker 10: and not only in sort of like you know, the
Speaker 10: you know, there's always like maybe a dozen members of
Speaker 10: the House GOP Caucus are the ones who are constantly
Speaker 10: getting in trouble, not just those people staffers for relatively
Speaker 10: normal Republicans, you know. Also, and I think a lot
Speaker 10: of people remember that during DeSantis's primary campaign, there were
Speaker 10: a few times where his campaign would drop these these
Speaker 10: you know, kind of viral videos and they had, you
Speaker 10: know a lot of kind of like muscle bound dudes
Speaker 10: in like swim trunks and.
Speaker 5: A lot of stuff that.
Speaker 10: To people outside of that world look pretty home erotic
Speaker 10: and just a lot of kind of crazy stuff. And
Speaker 10: this background of mine being somewhat involved in a lot
Speaker 10: of our investigative stories, I got it immediately because I
Speaker 10: know that like half the people, half the guys under
Speaker 10: thirty on his campaign, they started out like on four
Speaker 10: Chan and then like in cell message board, and that's
Speaker 10: how they communicate. And it's only when you sort of,
Speaker 10: you know, when a campaign drops that and everybody's sees it, like, dude,
Speaker 10: what what is what did I just see? What did
Speaker 10: I just see? So that's it's that whole thing. It's
Speaker 10: very real and something that occurred to me a couple
Speaker 10: days ago. It used to be that you scratch any
Speaker 10: democratic campaign and either the candidate or the top people
Speaker 10: they first met on the McGovern campaign. I mean, I'm
Speaker 10: dating myself here a bit, but you know, back in
Speaker 10: the nineties, the odds okay, and a decade from now
Speaker 10: it's going to in Republican campaigns fortune it's going to
Speaker 10: be oh yeah, yeah. We first worked together at four chan.
Speaker 10: We first created a dank meme at four chan.
Speaker 2: I wanted just interject for a minute because I think
Speaker 2: this an important point that relates, which is JD. Bans
Speaker 2: comes from that world, probably more so even than Ronda Sandis.
Speaker 2: But what I think about I think about this a
Speaker 2: lot because I saw him in that vice presidential debate,
Speaker 2: which he did do better than Trim in that debate.
Speaker 2: He is actually wildly unpopular. His favorability ratings are lower
Speaker 2: than Donald Trump's. He struggles with really the same problem
Speaker 2: that DeSantis does. Trump isn't without Trump brought to you
Speaker 2: by someone who has the charisma of a you know,
Speaker 2: of flat eyed Coke is not a winning message, right, Like.
Speaker 2: Part of why Trump is able to get away with
Speaker 2: this stuff is he was a celebrity for many years.
Speaker 2: He makes it seem funny and not scary, you know,
Speaker 2: whereas Jadie Vance. I mean, for example, the joke the
Speaker 2: floating pile of garbage joke that we heard on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Jad Vance said, why I didn't see it right, which
Speaker 2: of course is ridiculous, and then he said, we should
Speaker 2: be less offended by things. You know, this is obviously
Speaker 2: well and like you tell that to these groups of
Speaker 2: Puerto Ricans who are offended by having their country be
Speaker 2: called garbage, that they should lighten up. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a wins.
Speaker 10: No, it's not a winning message. And I have to
Speaker 10: imagine that a lot of Democrats or Democratic operatives would say, like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 10: we'll put together a commercial for it, a commercial based
Speaker 10: on it. You dudes can run it, you can have
Speaker 10: the copyright, let's get it everywhere.
Speaker 5: I don't even think it's cynical.
Speaker 10: A lot of Democrats are like, they are not upset.
Speaker 10: They're like, hey, thanks for taking the mask off. It's
Speaker 10: just the right time.
Speaker 2: Let's let every you know, I mean, a week before
Speaker 2: the election, it's a good time to do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 10: And the thing is with Trump is that he's horrible,
Speaker 10: but we don't understand him and cannot fight him effectively
Speaker 10: if we don't understand he has a real charisma. It
Speaker 10: may not be your kind of not you, Molly, but
Speaker 10: you know, everybody's charisma. But that is what allows him to,
Speaker 10: you know, kind of do these things and to an extent,
Speaker 10: get away with them. And whereas you have someone like
Speaker 10: JD Vance he says something, Oh yeah, kind of like
Speaker 10: angry lonely cat ladies and just he he'll say something
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Speaker 5: Everybody's like ooh, like no one likes you JD.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that's right. We're in the home
Speaker 1: stretch of whatever this is. But it does certainly seem
Speaker 1: like a really important data play. Thank you, Josh Marshall.
Speaker 5: All right, talk to you later.
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Speaker 8: Ay, Molly, anything going on?
Speaker 7: Nothing? Nothing? Not eight days until the election.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So one of the many, many things I like about you,
Speaker 1: besides the fact that you're so smart and so sane,
Speaker 1: is that you also have been doing this for a
Speaker 1: fairly long time, so you really know what this should
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Speaker 3: Okay, so what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 5: Go?
Speaker 11: Well, look, I mean I think you know, if you
Speaker 11: look at the totality of the polling, clearly Trump gained
Speaker 11: some ground in October. He hurt Harris with the ad
Speaker 11: barrage but portraying her as week on crime, week on immigration,
Speaker 11: and extreme on transgender rights. And you know, even before
Speaker 11: the debate, one Republican said to me the Harris Trump debate,
Speaker 11: one Republican said to me something that I think has
Speaker 11: really borne out when they said, you know, if we
Speaker 11: win this race, we're not going to win it through
Speaker 11: the interactions between Harris and Trump, whether in the debate
Speaker 11: or the daily news cycle, and we were reminded of
Speaker 11: that again on Sunday, this person said, if we win
Speaker 11: the race, it's going to be just by you know,
Speaker 11: doing to her essentially what we do to Democratic candidates
Speaker 11: in the Swing states since time immemorial, portraying them as
Speaker 11: a you know, soft on crime and immigration and out
Speaker 11: of touch liberal. And that campaign has been very powerful
Speaker 11: and very pronounced, and clearly it has had some impact
Speaker 11: on the national polling and even the polling and the
Speaker 11: key swing states. But when it was all, you know,
Speaker 11: now that we are in the final stretch, it's pretty
Speaker 11: clear that even that offensive have not pushed at least
Speaker 11: the former Blue Wall states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin
Speaker 11: out of reach for her. And there are reasons to believe.
Speaker 11: I think that she can still win those states even
Speaker 11: with a smaller margin in the national popular vote than
Speaker 11: Biden had, and maybe only as big a margin or
Speaker 11: even slightly smaller in the national popular vote than Hillary
Speaker 11: Clinton had. And we can talk about that the Sun
Speaker 11: Belt states are murkier for her. Those are states where
Speaker 11: non wide voters people of color are such a large
Speaker 11: portion of the electorate that even marginal gains for Trump
Speaker 11: in them could make all of those states tough. And
Speaker 11: obviously North Carolina has been tougher Democrats anyway, But in Michigan, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 11: and Wisconsin, which have always been in the most plausible
Speaker 11: path to two seventy, not only for Biden but for her,
Speaker 11: I think the race is well within the margin of error.
Speaker 11: And as someone smarter than me said to me, you
Speaker 11: know months ago, that means it is within the margin
Speaker 11: of effort. You know, a lot of people are kind
Speaker 11: of agonizing and you know, doom scrolling and checking polls
Speaker 11: every hour. You know, if poles say that Michigan, Pennsylvania
Speaker 11: with consin are with a point or even two points,
Speaker 11: it really doesn't matter which way the pole says. What
Speaker 11: it's really telling you is that the states will that
Speaker 11: state will be decided by things that have not yet happened,
Speaker 11: either interactions on the campaign trail, or perhaps even more important,
Speaker 11: the quality of the campaign and organization that each side
Speaker 11: can execute in the final days. So the way I
Speaker 11: look at it, whatever happens in the sun belt. This
Speaker 11: race is within reach for her through the rost belt Michigan, Pennsylvanus, Constant,
Speaker 11: the three states Trump knocked out of the blue wall,
Speaker 11: and it really is within the reach of either side
Speaker 11: to bring this home.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm going to ask you a question just
Speaker 1: for me because I'm interested in it. This is a
Speaker 1: brain tease. Okay, I'm going to read you a tweet.
Speaker 1: This is something I'm obsessed with. Okay, Pole after poll
Speaker 1: shows Harris leading among those that have already voted, even
Speaker 1: narrowly in Florida. So these are exit polls. This is
Speaker 1: the point this sky says. Unless I'm missing something, either
Speaker 1: A polls are badly misreading this group, so.
Speaker 7: The exit polling is wrong, which is possible.
Speaker 1: Or b early voters are bluer than we think and
Speaker 1: thus party affiliation is not really telling the story.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I saw that too.
Speaker 11: You know, I myself find early voting almost impossibly opaque.
Speaker 1: And that's the conventional wisdom about early voting is that
Speaker 1: it just doesn't tell you anything.
Speaker 11: Really, it's not maybe not exactly that. It's as a
Speaker 11: lay person, you do not have access to the full
Speaker 11: layers of information. You need to see if there's any
Speaker 11: signal in the noise, because you know, the number of
Speaker 11: people from each party who vote early doesn't really tell
Speaker 11: you that much if either or both parties are simply cannibalizing,
Speaker 11: as the saying goes their day of voters and moving
Speaker 11: them to early. You know, what you really need is
Speaker 11: something that tells you how irregular voters, how many irregular
Speaker 11: voters are coming.
Speaker 8: Out for each side.
Speaker 11: And there are people who do that kind of deep dive.
Speaker 11: You know, Tom Bonyer may be more famously than anybody
Speaker 11: else on the Democratic side who feel good about what
Speaker 11: they are seeing in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and not
Speaker 11: as good about what they are seeing in the sun
Speaker 11: Belt a swing stick. So which kind of you know,
Speaker 11: which kind of fits into this general that I'm offering here.
Speaker 11: I also have been struck by that polling. And look,
Speaker 11: I mean, there is reason to believe. I think it
Speaker 11: would not be crazy if Kamala Harris won a higher
Speaker 11: percentage of previously Republican leaning independence, particularly college educated independence,
Speaker 11: than Biden did for two big reasons. January sixth had
Speaker 11: not yet happened, and Dobbs had not yet happened. In
Speaker 11: the twenty twenty election. And you know, as I wrote
Speaker 11: this week, I think it is highly likely that Harris
Speaker 11: not only can, but probably must run better than Biden
Speaker 11: did in these big white collar inner suburbs around Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee,
Speaker 11: but also around Madison, Pittsburgh, and Grand Rapids. I mean,
Speaker 11: there is a metro path for her through the former
Speaker 11: Blue Wall states, and you know that is probably I
Speaker 11: think where there's election is going to be is going
Speaker 11: to be decided.
Speaker 1: So now explain to me kind of what it looks
Speaker 1: like right now, the early voting, it's hard to make
Speaker 1: sense of we have North Carolina, I mean, what should
Speaker 1: she be doing now?
Speaker 11: The big picture is that if you look at polling
Speaker 11: both in the swinging states and nationally, obviously polls differ,
Speaker 11: but the basic story they are telling is very similar,
Speaker 11: which is that Harris has regained a lot of the
Speaker 11: ground Biden lost among voters of color, but she hasn't
Speaker 11: regained all of it, especially among Latinos and especially among
Speaker 11: Latino men. I mean, there are reasons for Democrats to
Speaker 11: hope that the big declines among black men that some
Speaker 11: polls are showing is an illusion that will not pan
Speaker 11: out but it is hard to imagine that everything we're
Speaker 11: seeing among Latino men is not real.
Speaker 8: At least you know, some of it is not real.
Speaker 11: So she has regained a lot of the ground Biden
Speaker 11: loss among people of color, but not all of it.
Speaker 11: On the other hand, like Biden, she is running very
Speaker 11: close to the twenty twenty Democratic level of support among
Speaker 11: white voters, which remember, was enough to win six of
Speaker 11: the seven swing states. Right, so she might be down
Speaker 11: a tick among white voters without a college degree, she
Speaker 11: might be up a little bit among white voters with
Speaker 11: a college degree.
Speaker 8: But the net is that she is very.
Speaker 11: Close in both national and state polling on a consistent
Speaker 11: basis to where Biden was among whites.
Speaker 8: Depending on the data source.
Speaker 11: You used, Biden one between forty one and forty three
Speaker 11: percent of whites, and look at something like the New
Speaker 11: York Times poll was exactly forty three, the CNN national
Speaker 11: poll was forty one. Consistently, she is right CNBC was
Speaker 11: forty one. She's right in there. And so what does
Speaker 11: that mean. That means that even a marginal decline, even
Speaker 11: a slight decline in her support among voters of color
Speaker 11: makes it really hard in the Sun Belt battlegrounds because
Speaker 11: in those states, voters of color are a really big
Speaker 11: portion of the electorate, and even a small change in
Speaker 11: their preference is hard for Democrats to overcome.
Speaker 8: So Arizona, Nevada.
Speaker 11: You know, if Latino men really break away from Democrats
Speaker 11: anywhere near the level we're seeing.
Speaker 8: Hard to win.
Speaker 11: Georgia still seems to be right in play, but even
Speaker 11: a few point erosion with black men might be tough
Speaker 11: to overcome.
Speaker 8: North Carolina has been tough to begin with for Democrats.
Speaker 11: On the other hand, if you are maintaining the national
Speaker 11: the Biden level of support among whites from twenty twenty,
Speaker 11: that leaves you in a much stronger position in Michigan
Speaker 11: and Pennsylvania, where whites were about eighty percent of the
Speaker 11: vote in twenty twenty, and in Wisconsin where they were
Speaker 11: ninety percent. I mean, the paradox that Biden faced is
Speaker 11: still kind of true. Even though Harris has improved a
Speaker 11: lot with non white voters and become much more competitive
Speaker 11: than he was in the Sun Belt, the reality is
Speaker 11: is that her best states are still the ones that
Speaker 11: are older and less diverse. Right, So one last point
Speaker 11: about all this, imagine a world in which Harris doesn't
Speaker 11: run as well among non white voters as Biden did
Speaker 11: and way below what Clinton did in twenty sixteen, because
Speaker 11: she ran even better.
Speaker 8: Among non white voters or does a color than Biden did.
Speaker 11: Imagine where Harris doesn't run as well as Clinton did
Speaker 11: among voters of color, but she runs significantly better among
Speaker 11: white voters, which is what she's backed to do.
Speaker 8: I mean, by holding.
Speaker 11: Biden's support among whites, she is locking in the improvement
Speaker 11: that Biden made over Clinton from sixteen to twenty among whites.
Speaker 11: So if you're down among non whites and up among whitest,
Speaker 11: your net margin follow me here in the national popular
Speaker 11: vote may be about the same.
Speaker 8: As Clinton's, which was only two points.
Speaker 11: Your national popular vote may not be any better than Clinton's,
Speaker 11: but you would be better positioned than her to win Michigan, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 11: and was. As the political scientists say, it is a
Speaker 11: more efficient political coalition. Democrats have become accustomed to the
Speaker 11: idea they have to win the popular vote by a
Speaker 11: lot in order to squeeze out an electoral college majority,
Speaker 11: and no one, no one would prefer to try to
Speaker 11: win as a Democrat with a two point lead in
Speaker 11: the popular vote rather than Biden's four and a half,
Speaker 11: but it is not out of reach for her. She
Speaker 11: may fall short in at least one of those three states,
Speaker 11: but it is not hard for me to imagine a
Speaker 11: world where the same popular vote national margin as Clinton
Speaker 11: had can translate into two hundred and seventy Electoral College
Speaker 11: votes for Harris in a way that it could not
Speaker 11: for Clinton.
Speaker 7: Okay, now I have two questions.
Speaker 1: One is I want you to talk about what happened
Speaker 1: last night at Madison Square Garden. The comedian whose name
Speaker 1: is Tony Hinchcliff made a number of racist jokes.
Speaker 7: And also misogynistics jokes.
Speaker 1: He made a joke about oj Simpson, but the joke
Speaker 1: that may have really cost the campaign the most votes
Speaker 1: was his joke about how Puerto Rico was a floating
Speaker 1: pile of garbage, almost.
Speaker 7: Like a mirror.
Speaker 1: Hour later, we had j Lo, we had bad Bunny,
Speaker 1: Mark Anthony did a video today, but Ricky Martin. So
Speaker 1: we've had a number of Puerto Rican celebrities indors Harris,
Speaker 1: and it reminds me a lot of You'll remember that
Speaker 1: when Donald Trump was tweeting out these or retweeting these
Speaker 1: fake Taylor Swift endorsements. That led to Taylor Swift endorsing Harris.
Speaker 1: And remember when Trump said that Jamie Diamond was going
Speaker 1: to endorse him. That led to Jamie Diamond saying that
Speaker 1: actually he would take a cabinet position in the Harris administration.
Speaker 1: But yes, so Donald Trump helped get a lot of
Speaker 1: endorsements for Harris.
Speaker 7: Is it too late for something like that to move
Speaker 7: the needle?
Speaker 11: Someone showed me a private Democratic poll that had Pennsylvania
Speaker 11: within half a point, you know. So the answer is
Speaker 11: there are five hundred thousand Puerto Rican citizens in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 11: and I believe you. John Fetterman tweeted today that four
Speaker 11: hundred thousand, roughly four hunred thousand of them can vote.
Speaker 11: So Trump was counting on improvements with those voters as
Speaker 11: part of his winning coalition. And first of all, the
Speaker 11: tenor of the overall rally I think was a signal,
Speaker 11: like everything else we're watching, that Trump thinks he has won,
Speaker 11: that America is on board for a full scale kind
Speaker 11: of cultural purge and racial purge, that they can just
Speaker 11: kind of, you know, let it go. And also, I
Speaker 11: mean they also believe that the more extreme and outrageous
Speaker 11: you get, the more likely you are to activate rarely
Speaker 11: voting conservative men, younger men, non college men, all of that.
Speaker 11: So it's it's like they turn up the volume because
Speaker 11: they think that's the only way they can reach these
Speaker 11: people who are disconnected from the political system.
Speaker 1: Right, but that they then very likely take a chance
Speaker 1: to really alienate.
Speaker 8: That's the thing.
Speaker 11: The way I've been phrasing it is that for the
Speaker 11: final week.
Speaker 8: To me, the question is what is the question?
Speaker 11: Like Trump started his speech yesterday, I believe with the
Speaker 11: question that we're Republicans want to be the question are
Speaker 11: you better off than you were four years ago?
Speaker 8: Now? It may not be fair.
Speaker 11: Given all the growth in the job market and all
Speaker 11: the billions of dollars hundreds of abilities osma vet right.
Speaker 1: But a straight economic message you could see delivering for
Speaker 1: a Republican right.
Speaker 11: But you know, most people, because of inflation, say they're
Speaker 11: not better off than they were four years ago. And
Speaker 11: that's especially true among families living paycheck to paycheck, which
Speaker 11: include a lot of you know, in black families.
Speaker 7: The irony, though, is that four years ago we were
Speaker 7: in the middle of a pandemic.
Speaker 11: Right that lead that aside, If that's the question it's
Speaker 11: a hard road for Paris, but there is no reason
Speaker 11: that has to be the question. I mean, the other
Speaker 11: question that America is grappling with, that could be the
Speaker 11: dominant question in the final days, is are you willing
Speaker 11: to risk returning this Donald Trump? Who is this overtly racist, xenophobic,
Speaker 11: misogynist and authoritarian.
Speaker 8: Are you willing to return him to the White House.
Speaker 11: The answer is yes for a lot of people, but
Speaker 11: there are certainly some voters who might be dissatisfied with
Speaker 11: the economy, might trust more on the economy, who simply
Speaker 11: are not willing to.
Speaker 8: Take that risk. And this is not a theoretical proposition.
Speaker 11: We saw it in twenty twenty two when Democrats won
Speaker 11: an unusually high percentage of voters who disapproved of Biden
Speaker 11: or disapproved to the economy and still would not vote
Speaker 11: for Republican alternatives.
Speaker 7: Right than Nicki Haley voters.
Speaker 11: Part of Nicki Haley voters, but you know, even probably
Speaker 11: some blue collar white women and some black and Hispanic men.
Speaker 11: In the end, I mean, I think Trump is trying
Speaker 11: to execute and maybe appropriately enough, after this rally with
Speaker 11: its nineteen thirty nine echoes, he is trying to execute
Speaker 11: a pincer movement. I think it is highly likely, given
Speaker 11: the way they portrayed Harris as his out of touch
Speaker 11: coastal liberal, that he will run even better than he
Speaker 11: did in Trump country, small town, rural e serban America,
Speaker 11: mostly non college white. It's a lot of conservative Christians,
Speaker 11: you know, very resonant with the social issues. And I
Speaker 11: think primarily because of inflation, it's likely that he will
Speaker 11: make at least.
Speaker 8: Some progress at crack these.
Speaker 11: Towering traditional Democratic advantages in the central cities among voters
Speaker 11: of color.
Speaker 8: So where does she go to offset that?
Speaker 11: Well, partially she starts with a cushion because Biden won
Speaker 11: the states that she has to win. But where does
Speaker 11: she go. She goes to the inner suburb. She goes
Speaker 11: to the racially diverse, well educated, generally doing pretty well.
Speaker 11: Like inflation is kind of a pain, but it's not
Speaker 11: really an existential crisis for people in Montgomery and Delaware
Speaker 11: County and Oakland County and Kent County and Gaine and
Speaker 11: the Wow Counties, Waukesha and so forth. And there are
Speaker 11: the voters who could say, yeah, I don't think the
Speaker 11: last four years have worked out that well, but I
Speaker 11: am not willing to take the risk of going to Trump,
Speaker 11: and if you ask me today, she can, and she
Speaker 11: probably must do a little better than Biden did in
Speaker 11: all of the places I just mentioned, the four suburban
Speaker 11: counties outside Philly. Biden won them by two hundred ninety
Speaker 11: thousand votes, which was itself one hundred and fifteen thousand
Speaker 11: more than Hillary. She may have to do better yet
Speaker 11: Oakland County he doubled the margin of Hillary.
Speaker 8: She might have to do it better.
Speaker 2: Yet.
Speaker 11: Dane County, it just keeps growing, turnout keeps going up,
Speaker 11: and the Democratic margins keep going up. She's probably going
Speaker 11: to have to max out there to squeeze out Wisconsin.
Speaker 11: Not a simple path, no guarantee that she can do it,
Speaker 11: but not an impossible one at all. I mean, really
Speaker 11: within the margin of effort, as people say, for her
Speaker 11: to generate enough of the vote she needs in all
Speaker 11: of those three states to squeeze them out, even if
Speaker 11: the national popular vote is much closer than it was
Speaker 11: in twenty twenty, and maybe as close or even closer
Speaker 11: than it was in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 7: All right, so now go along with me on this.
Speaker 1: What if the polls are just wrong, What if she's
Speaker 1: doing better what if they're just waiting them to are heavy,
Speaker 1: to try to not underestimate Trump yet again, could be sure?
Speaker 11: I mean yes, I mean you only find out the
Speaker 11: polls are wrong after I mean, maybe that's right, but
Speaker 11: I kind of feel like, you know, in some ways
Speaker 11: that were like past that question.
Speaker 8: If after all of this, the polls.
Speaker 11: Are telling you it's within one point either way, they're
Speaker 11: telling you that either side can win these states, and
Speaker 11: their polling probably can't predict which one it will be
Speaker 11: because it isn't surgical precision to that extent where you
Speaker 11: can look at it and say, well, you know, she's
Speaker 11: up at half a point in Wisconsin, so she's going
Speaker 11: to win, and you don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean.
Speaker 11: One thing Democrats do have to worry about is that
Speaker 11: in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, the next circle of irregular voters
Speaker 11: does tend to lean more toward non college whites who
Speaker 11: are probably going to vote for Trump, you know, sixty
Speaker 11: to forty. But there are also a lot of high
Speaker 11: propensity Republican leaning voters, women in particular, but maybe even
Speaker 11: some men who are not going to go along with
Speaker 11: him in the way they did last time. Because of
Speaker 11: the two things the two big things that have happened
Speaker 11: since then January sixth and Doc and also just this
Speaker 11: you know, turn toward ever more overt kind of authoritarian
Speaker 11: and racist. By the way, I can I just make
Speaker 11: one point on that it always gets a lot of
Speaker 11: focus when Trump says things that are outrageous or you know,
Speaker 11: just patently offensive. In John Kelly's interviews, we focus on
Speaker 11: the fact that he had praised Hitler and said he
Speaker 11: wanted Hitler's generals from yesterday's rally. We're focusing on these
Speaker 11: remarks about Puerto Rico. But I think it's really important
Speaker 11: for people to understand that it's not just rhetoric. There
Speaker 11: is policy attached to this in each case. I mean
Speaker 11: what John Kelly, The most important part of John Kelly's
Speaker 11: interview was not that Hitler, you know, Trump said ad
Speaker 11: Myron things about Hiller. It's that John Kelly said, Trump
Speaker 11: repeatedly as president wanted to use the military against American
Speaker 11: citizens on US Street, and as I've written, he has
Speaker 11: multiple specific proposals to do that. And similarly, at the
Speaker 11: same time this rally was happening in Madison Square Garden,
Speaker 11: one of Trump's top immigration divisors was on sixty minutes,
Speaker 11: and he said something that was so incendiary that I
Speaker 11: am astonished for we're not talking.
Speaker 8: About it more.
Speaker 11: Today he was asked, how would you avoid family separation
Speaker 11: in madics deportation, He said, no, we want to separate
Speaker 11: them at all.
Speaker 8: We'll deport the kids too.
Speaker 11: There are four million US c citizen children Latino US
Speaker 11: citizen children who have at least one parent who is undocumented.
Speaker 11: So the Trump administration is now openly talking about deporting
Speaker 11: potentially millions of US citizen Latino children as part of
Speaker 11: the mass deportation.
Speaker 8: I have not heard that before yesterday. And maybe the
Speaker 8: courts would stop.
Speaker 11: Them, though I'm not sure John Roberts would stop Donald
Speaker 11: Trump from anything that he wants to do in the end.
Speaker 11: But when you were talking about deporting not only undocumented
Speaker 11: people but millions of citizens, you are starting to veer
Speaker 11: deeper into the realm of ethnic cleansing. And again, you know,
Speaker 11: the paradox and all of this is that Trump is
Speaker 11: not only hoping for he is counting on significantly improved
Speaker 11: performance with Latino voters, especially men, even as they are
Speaker 11: now talking openly about deporting potentially millions of US born
Speaker 11: citizen Latino kids, We just kind of wrap your head
Speaker 11: around that, you know, their expectation that they can get
Speaker 11: away with this, you know, kind of stereo broadcasting that
Speaker 11: kind of message white yes and counting on Latinos to
Speaker 11: move for them on the economy.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Ron No Moon, Jesse Cannon, Molly.
Speaker 4: The fallout continues from Tony Hinchcliff's really stupid joke about
Speaker 4: Puerto Rico. What are you seeing here?
Speaker 2: So, Puerto Rico's Republican party chairman has threatened to withhold
Speaker 2: his support from Donald Trump unless he issues an apology
Speaker 2: for the offensive remarks that Tony Henchcliff made on Sunday
Speaker 2: at Madison Square Garden. He called the island a floating
Speaker 2: island of garbage. The comments sparked a lot of condemnation,
Speaker 2: but we haven't seen an apology. And if I know
Speaker 2: anything about Trump, and I know a little bit, unfortunately
Speaker 2: for me, it's that I would be very surprised if
Speaker 2: you get an apology for this. You'll remember that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump still hasn't dissape out North Carolina gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson.
Speaker 3: So I think it's very.
Speaker 2: Unlikely we're going to see an apology here, since what
Speaker 2: we saw in Chady Vance say was that everyone should
Speaker 2: suck it up and be okay with racism because we're
Speaker 2: all too politically correct.
Speaker 3: That, my friends, is our moment of book.
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