1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Uh, you know, we're no. 4 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: I think we should change the headline on on this one. 5 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: It's it's a pretty metal headline for a weird and 6 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: not super metal story. You know, I would. I would 7 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: argue Ben that we doubled down and just just simplify 8 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: it and just call it war Pig. You know what. 9 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Actually I am sold on that. And and since our 10 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: better third, super producer Casey Pegram is on Adventures Today, 11 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: classes out Man, it's up to us a bet sir 12 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: off And you know, but I gotta tell you, I 13 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: think super producer Casey Pegram would uh super approve of 14 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: the title war Pig because I don't know if you 15 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: know this, but he is a devout Ozzy Osbourne fanatic. 16 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? It's like the only thing he talks 17 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: about off and you just won't shut up about, you know, 18 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: iron Man, iron Man, greatest song of all time, Black Sabbath. 19 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: He's always like he's always pulling the actual ease about 20 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: Black Sabbath, and he's like, did you know that they 21 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: were actually a blues band first, and we're like, yeah, Casey, 22 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: I know so, And actually it wasn't. It was a 23 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: dove that Ozzy bit the head off of, not a 24 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: not a rat um. I I don't know. Obviously we 25 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: are totally putting words into producer Casey Pegram's mouth, but 26 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: I imagine that he feels okay about Black Sabbath. Maybe, 27 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, some of Ozzy's latter day stuff got a 28 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: little sammy, but I think his legacy is safe overall. 29 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: He's also like the father, the weird, kind of drunk 30 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: uncle of reality television. Well, you know, one thing I 31 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: will say about Casey is, uh, it's funny because future 32 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Casey is editing this. One thing I will say about 33 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: him is a lot of people don't know this, but 34 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: all of Casey's many tattoos are direct references to Black Sabbath. 35 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: So if you ever meet Casey in person and you 36 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: want to get on his good side, ask him about 37 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: his ask him about his Black sabb and God forbid 38 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: you meet him in a dark alley. My friends, h 39 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 1: And by the way, Casey is editing this and presumably 40 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: rolling his eyes really hard right now. Um, we love you, Casey. 41 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: We're just we're just giving you a hard time. Um, 42 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: but you know, uh, speaking of reality television, the list 43 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: today's story has the kind of like early makings of 44 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: the kind of drama we absolutely live for in reality TV. 45 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's got the conflict, it's got the simmering resentment. 46 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's got the overreaction. Uh, and then it's 47 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: ultimately got the kind of uh no, not too much 48 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: of a spoiler alert, but the kind of anticlimactic ending. Yes. Yeah, 49 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: if this were an episode of reality TV, it would 50 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: literally be called the Pig episode, and we could call 51 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: it war Pig. But this is also known as the 52 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: Pig War or uh, the San Juan Boundary dispute. This 53 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: is weird. You were kidding about the pig episode? That 54 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: is an official title of this, uh, this story as well. Yeah, 55 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: that's correct. This this is a weird one. So, uh, folks. 56 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: You may be aware of the time that the UK 57 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: went to war with what would become known as the 58 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: United States in what we call the Revolutionary War, But 59 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: did you know the US and the UK almost went 60 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: to war again due to a series of ridiculous events 61 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: that began in eighteen fifty nine on an island called 62 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: San Juan Island. San Juan Island has nothing to do 63 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: with Puerto Rico at all. It is a chunk of 64 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: land located between the US and Vancouver Island. At the time, 65 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: this place was home to settlers from the US and 66 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: two British employees of the Hudson Bay Company. What on 67 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: earth are you guys talking about? You may ask, where's 68 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: the pig? Uh will will tell you about this strange 69 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: series of events. By the way, you know, you may 70 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: have heard of the Hudson Bay Company. They occupy some 71 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: kind of rarefied space in in the business world, and 72 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: that they were around in the eighteen hundreds and continue 73 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: to be around today. They started off as a fur 74 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: trading company and then in two thousand six still a thing, 75 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: were acquired by the well known entrepreneur American businessman Jerry 76 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: Zucker for one point one billion dollars um. It originally 77 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: was a Canadian owned company, and that is very much 78 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: the case in today's story. That's right, that's right. So 79 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: let's let's take a closer look at San Juan Island. 80 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: Let's do it way way way, way, way, way, way way. 81 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: Before the arrival of Europeans San Juan Island had its 82 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: own thriving community and culture. It had a temperate climate, 83 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: the soil was great, had tons of resources, marine and 84 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: timber especially, And this bountiful land appealed to Spain, Great Britain, 85 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: and the u US. Each of these empires, each of 86 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: these forces explored and charted and mapped and named the 87 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: islands while they were staking overlapping claims to Oregon County. 88 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: Oregon County you'll recognize today as the present states of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, 89 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: and then parts of Montana, Wyoming, and British Columbia as well. 90 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: Now you might be saying, wait, Spain, Spain's in the mix. Well, 91 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Spain's kind of in the mix in terms of the 92 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: name of the island. But they had abandoned their claims 93 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: by eighteen eighteen. I think that's right. They took off 94 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: and left it to the English and the Americans, who 95 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: formed a joint agreement in eighteen eighteen, which, you know, 96 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: it seemed nice enough at the time. But to me, 97 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: the idea of joint occupation between former bitter rivals does 98 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: seem to not necessarily have the longest of term prospects. 99 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: In my opinion, seems like somebody would have read flag that. 100 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: But you know, I guess it was a lucrative enough 101 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: deal that it made sense for both of them to 102 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: play nice, and apparently they were able to do that. 103 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: They lived in relative harmony. Um, you know, with subjects 104 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: of each America doesn't have subjects citizens of the US 105 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: and subjects of the British Empire jointly occupying this land 106 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: for farming for um grazing, right, because again the soil 107 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: is very rich, so it made for some good livestock 108 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: grazing as well. And also if you look at a 109 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: map in this area, and this is something we'll dive 110 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: into a little bit later in to stay show, you'll 111 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: see that San Juan Island in particular has a lot 112 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: of strategic value. So of course you want, if you're 113 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: the UK or the US at this time, you want 114 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: to control that spot. You know, resources aside, you want 115 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: to be able to be a gatekeeper there for transport. 116 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: So pensions start to mount. As he said, No, yes, 117 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: there are trade agreements. Yes, there's heavy investment between both 118 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: of these nations, both these countries. But over in Oregon County, 119 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: the US forces, I think the British presence is offensive, inherently, profoundly, 120 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: fundamentally so, because they're laboring under the concept of manifest destiny. 121 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: This land is our land. Long story short, it is 122 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: right you you kind of nailed it. But it is 123 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: a grand idea, right, But it also sort of, you know, 124 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: doesn't really think of others. Let's say, it's sort of like, 125 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna do what we're gonna do. Anybody 126 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: else interests be damned. Would you say that that's about 127 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: the size of it. Yeah, yeah, you're right. No, So 128 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: manifest destiny is a kind of American exceptionalism. It was 129 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: this widely held belief in the eighteen hundreds nineteenth century 130 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: US that there was some sort of predestination, some sort 131 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: of like it was the fate of the American people 132 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: to expand across the continent because they were inherently special, 133 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: inherently different, and somehow exceptional in comparison to the rest 134 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: of the world. British people included, Sorry, your majesty. The 135 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: thing is, the British did not agree. As you might imagine. 136 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: They believed that they had a legal right to these 137 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: lands because of earlier treaties and earlier established activity of 138 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: the Hudson's Bay Company, which was a Canadian company which 139 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: was under the oversight of the British Crown. Yes, yeah, 140 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: just so, yeah, these internal differences and feelings of superiority aside. 141 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: On June eight in London, they signed the Treaty of Oregon. 142 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: And the Treaty of Oregon did something really important, really important, 143 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: but as we'll see, done especially helpful. Uh. They the 144 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: Treaty of Oregon sets the boundary on the forty parallel, 145 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: so from the Rocky Mountains to quote, the middle of 146 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the channel which separates the continent from Vancouver's Island ends 147 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: quote then south through the channel to the Strait of 148 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: Wanda Fuca and west to the Pacific Ocean. Seems clean 149 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: enough until you, you know, get on the ground, right 150 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: or even like look at a detailed enough map. That's fine. 151 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: That there's a band from Athens and if they're still active, 152 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: that it was called Kuanda Fuca and that or knew 153 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: what that was the reference to. So here you go. Um, 154 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Like you said, Ben, there there was 155 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, where the rubber met the road. A bit 156 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: of an issue. The San Juan Islands were in between 157 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: Vancouver Island and the mainland, meaning that because of this 158 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: geographical situation, there was actually a channel on either side, 159 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: and the treaty didn't say which the side was the 160 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: actual border exactly. So what do you the channel? I mean, 161 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: that's right, there's literally two channels? Which one you gotta 162 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: do better? Perfect storm for you know, a massive argument, 163 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: uh and pissing contest, especially with super legalistic people, right 164 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: and uh, diplomats and negotiators. Yeah, so there are two 165 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: possibilities here, one something called the Harrow Straight h A 166 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: r O and one something called the rosar Oreo straight 167 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: the San Juan Islands, right, smack dab between these, and 168 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: both sides round up on their mapping of the forty 169 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: ninth parallel and both sides say, well, yeah, actually this 170 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: this part is ours, so we'll just snatch this part. 171 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: The first claims from the Hudson's Bay Company come back 172 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: in eighteen five. They're based at Fort Victoria, and they 173 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: claimed San Juan Island, which was only seven miles across 174 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: the Harrow Strait. By eighteen fifty one, they had established 175 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: some pretty strong industry there, Like eighteen fifty one, there 176 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: they've got these salmon curing stations. But then the US 177 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: also enters the chat as we would say in the 178 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: modern day. By eighteen fifty three, the US had claimed 179 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: these as possessions that were part of what they called 180 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: the Washington Territory. So then what follows like another back 181 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: and forth of people trying to get more diplomatic street 182 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: credit for their claim to the islands. Yeah, and Hudson 183 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: Bay companies establishing uh sheep farms are a sheep farm 184 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: rather than Bellevue sheep farm that's along the island's southern shore. Um. 185 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: And this, weirdly, I've never really thought of sheep as 186 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: being a tool of political machinations, but this was just 187 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: so um. It was a politically motivated move because the 188 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: islands climate and like we said, the soil uh and 189 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: the conditions were rife for for grazing. UM. And the 190 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: flock expanded from sixty nine individual sheepy's to more than 191 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: four thousand, five hundred UH that were scattered across the island. Yeah. 192 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: And while this is happening, people in the US who 193 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: are looking to migrate and settle elsewhere on the continent, 194 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: they're all hearing about this great review of the San 195 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: Juan Islands by something called the Northwest Boundary Survey. Uh. 196 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: These naturalists are saying, you know what's great if you're 197 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: looking for a new place to live, Hey, this land 198 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: is your land, right, come over to this awesome island. 199 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: You got all the fish you want. The soil is great, 200 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: the climate is surprisingly awesome, and it's had backcheck ever 201 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: so slightly. You know, when I said that the sheep 202 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: farm move was politically motivated, I mean a lot of 203 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: this stuff was politically motivated. It was it was like 204 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: making the case for their claim by saying, well, we 205 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: established the sheep farm this time. Uh, and and it's 206 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: it's profitable or whatever, um or even if it wasn't profitable. 207 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: Just the establishment of all of these various little stations, uh, 208 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: in their minds at least, you know, kind of up 209 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: the ante as far as the validity of their claim 210 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: was concerned. So by the spring of eighteen fifty nine, 211 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: we had eighteen Americans settling on claims that were staked 212 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: on some of these really top sheep grazing lands. Um. 213 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: And they believed that because of the US's involvement, and 214 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: they're kind of bullish uh handling of the situation, that 215 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: they would be supported by the US government and the 216 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: U S Government would recognize their claims as valid um. 217 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: But the British UH not only didn't recognize their claim 218 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: they believed them to be illegal UH and considered the 219 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: claimants to be trespassers on their prime sheep grazing land. 220 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: Even referred to them as squatters. And this really started 221 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: to escalate this simmering resentment that we were talking about 222 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: from the start, right, Yeah, that's that's the thing. So 223 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: from the British perspective, these folks are illegal immigrants, you 224 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Now, of course we have to 225 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: point out the tremendous hypocrisy of the British and the 226 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: US forces saying that people are illegally occupying land. Especially 227 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: we can consider the native population that was living in 228 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: North America for thousands of years. So here we are 229 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: both the US and Britain playing the islands. Are their 230 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: own settlers from both countries have been living and working 231 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: on on these islands in this area and they got 232 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: along well enough, which is odd when you think about it, 233 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: because I was trying to think of, like, um, an 234 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: impactful day to day kind of example or analogy here, Like, imagine, folks, 235 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: if my pal Null rented an apartment. Let's say I'm 236 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: a landlord and I rent out an apartment to knows, 237 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: but then I rent out an apartment to Casey. It's 238 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: the same apartment. These guys are ends, right, but they 239 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: both say, I own this apartment. You know, why are 240 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: you always here? Why are you bringing people? Casey shows 241 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 1: up with a thousand plus cheap and Nol was like, hey, dude, 242 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: you can come over, but just to be straight with you, 243 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: this is my apartment. The tension rises, Esenal said, and 244 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: it reaches ahead exactly thirteen years after the signing of 245 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: the Oregon Treaty. On June eighteen fifty nine. There's a 246 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: guy we have to introduce called Lyman Cutler. He is 247 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: a farmer and he sees this large black pig a boar, 248 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: rooting in his garden. His neighbor on the other side 249 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: of his fence is an irishman named Charles Griffin. Charles 250 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: Griffin is watching this pig route through Cutler's crops and 251 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: he's he's laughing about it. He's like, yes, going going 252 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: get him. And then Cutler's pretty pot out this, so 253 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: he takes out his rifle and he shoots the pig. 254 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: The problem is his neighbor owns the pig, and Charles 255 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: Griffin sometimes called Charles Griffith, he's not a U S immigrant, 256 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: He's a British subject and he is an employee of 257 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: Hudson's Bay. Yeah he he was, UM, and I you know, 258 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: there's there's part of me that can understand his righteous 259 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: indignation here, I suppose, especially given the flaring tensions UH 260 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: because of this kind of stalemate situation. UM. But also 261 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: like he he was known for letting his pigs roam 262 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: around the land. Whether that was like uh f you 263 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: kind of middle finger flex to to the other inhabitants 264 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: who were not British subjects. I have to imagine that 265 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: this affected other neighbors of his that were British subjects. 266 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: So doesn't sound like the most considerate UH neighbor to 267 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: be sharing this plot of land with. So it's highly 268 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: likely that his pigs had messed around both in Cutler's 269 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: land before UH and in others. Cutler's land admittedly was 270 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: surrounded by a three sided fence according to some official 271 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: complaints UH that are around UM. So you know, they 272 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: let things simmer for a minute and and and tempers 273 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, cooled down, cooler has prevailed and all that. Uh. 274 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: And Cutler offered, in what he clearly thought was a 275 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: very magnanimous gesture, uh, and and probably a very generous one. Um, 276 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: considering you know, we can inflation calculator this probably but 277 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: he offered to pay ten dollars uh for the pig, 278 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: for the life of the pig after the fact, postmortem. Um, 279 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: so what would that be? What would ten dollars be 280 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty nine, ten dollars casey hit us with 281 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: that sound cue boo boo boo boop boop boop boop boop. 282 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: Eight it's uh. Ten dollars would be the equivalent of 283 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifteen bucks today. If you are wondering 284 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: what the average cost of a pig is, uh, the 285 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: average price of a pig under eighty pounds is two 286 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty bucks roughly. So, so ten dollars would 287 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: have been, you know, a pretty reasonable thing. But Griffin, 288 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: for one reason or another, wasn't having it, and instead 289 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: he demanded not ten dollars but a hundred dollars. Oh 290 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: my gosh, I see that clearly again, knowing what we 291 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: know about the inflation the rate of inflation there. Clearly, 292 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: I would say, three hundred dollars for a pig, even 293 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: by today's standards, seems about right. Don't you feel like 294 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: it's fair, especially considering the pig was the aggressor. The 295 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: pig was indeed the aggressor. So this, uh, doubling down, 296 00:20:55,040 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: this one hundred dollars, seems designed to cause a problem. Uh, 297 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: And it did because Cutler doubled down and returned by saying, 298 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: what you said, Ben, the pig, I shouldn't have to 299 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: pay anything. I was being generous to offer you ten dollars. 300 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: Your pig was rooting around in my cabbage patch or whatever. Uh, 301 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: And I shouldn't have to pay you a dime. Your 302 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: your animal was trespassing on my land. Oh that's where 303 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: we get into, right, my land trespassing. These types of 304 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: terms are very charged. Yeah. I I suspect there was something, uh, 305 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: some ulterior motive here, man, because first they claim about 306 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: the land. You're right, that's a powder keg. But secondly, 307 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: that's a crazy price for a pig, isn't it. I mean, 308 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: unless it was like you know, babe pig in the 309 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: city or you know, Wilburg could do tricks and stuff 310 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: caliber some pig um. Yeah, this was absolutely a number 311 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: that was designed to infuriate because if we run that 312 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: handy dandy inflation calculator one more time, be be poop uh, 313 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: we get the exorbitant number of three thousand, one d 314 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: and fifty one dollars and fifty nine cents. I don't 315 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: know this pig better, you know, poop gold uh and 316 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: do backflips and possibly recite you know, epic poetry for 317 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: that amount. Yeah. I mean maybe Griffith was you know, 318 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: maybe it was like his prize pet pig. Maybe they 319 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: had a deep relationship that can happen. I am not 320 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: implying that. I was thinking more of emotionally charged familial bonds, 321 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, a man in his pig. Uh. So then 322 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: you're not talking me down from my my possibility there. 323 00:22:53,240 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm certainly I'm certainly not gonna entertain it purposely. So 324 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: this disagreement spreads around the very small community on the island, 325 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: and the HBC Hudson's Bay Company employees obviously go full 326 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: in supporting Griffin or Griffith and the families from the 327 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: US on San Juan they're about at this time. They 328 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: of course have Cutlers back. So British forces threatened to 329 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: arrest this farmer. To arrest Cutler, his neighbors go, ham, 330 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: that's terrible. But they, you know, they go wild. And 331 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: so they call the U. S. Military and they say, look, 332 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: these British forces are basically invading us. They have no 333 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: authority here. And Uncle Sam is like, you're absolutely right, 334 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: you twenty five families on this island. Let's send in 335 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: the troops. So both government end up sending their militaries 336 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: to the San Juan Islands. Yeah. Yeah. Uh So now 337 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: not only is this this the island occupied by uh 338 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: warring families. I mean, I don't know this. It's certainly 339 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: possible that many of them stayed out of it and 340 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: and that they just wanted to like go about their business. 341 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: But I can imagine the taking of sides probably took 342 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: place because, like you said, Ben, this uh the kerfuffle 343 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: kind of began to circulate. And I'm just picturing, you know, 344 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: the suscerous of of discontent circulating between the two factions, 345 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: the Brits and the Yanks. Uh and bring in joint 346 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: military occupation. Uh And And that sounds like a real 347 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: recipe for disaster. With already um that reality TV show 348 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: level resentment about to boil over absolutely, the U. S 349 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: Forces dispatch sixties six soldiers from the ninth Infantry Regiment 350 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: to San Juan. This detachment is under the command of 351 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: of a kind of hot headed guy by the name 352 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: of George Pickett, hailing from Virginia. Just four years after this, 353 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: Pickett would lead a well, he would help lead a 354 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: disastrous infantry charge from the rebel forces into the center 355 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: of Union lines at the infamous Battle of Gettysburg. But 356 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: now four years before Gettysburg. Pickets Unit lands on July 357 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: fifty nine, and they set up camp near the wharf 358 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: that is occupied by Hudson's Bay Company, Griffin Bay. It's 359 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: just north of that sheep farm that you have mentioned earlier. 360 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: NOL and the regional authorities, the British authorities are freaked out, 361 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: understandably because they're like, hey, we claimed this island right, 362 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: because nobody really figured out the problem with those two 363 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: straits and and the problem of that forty nine parallels. 364 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: So British authorities are asking themselves why in blue blazes, 365 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: oh wait, maybe an accent will have the US troops 366 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: so on our islands and then they call in three warships. 367 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: So if you're just like to your point about some 368 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: people probably just staying out of it, some people probably 369 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: just wanted to fish or to uh you know, live 370 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: their life on their island farm. This is a hell 371 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: of a week. This is crazy. I think there should 372 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 1: be a theme for Animal Crossing based on this story. 373 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: That's a beautiful idea. Would on board, Yes, sir, it's 374 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: totally doable. I mean, really, what is animal crossing if 375 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: not this situation kind of under a microscope. It's all 376 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: of these different, uh you know, anthropomorphic creatures supposedly trying 377 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: to live together in harmony. And I'm sure there are 378 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: a little cute see, you know, disagreements that pop up. 379 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't really play the game, but how one would 380 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: it be for there to be, like for someone to 381 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: stage a re enactment of this story on the Animal 382 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: Crossing island. Um, I think we should. We should reach 383 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: out to Nintendo with our brilliant idea. Um. But the 384 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: people that were there, you know, now things are really 385 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: off the rails. Not only is there this disagreement that 386 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: has turned into a low key military occupation. Now you 387 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: have these U S troops that are moving in and 388 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: a thirty one gun steam frigate, a frigate, which I 389 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: love that word, by the way, I also love the 390 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: word a wharf. Uh. And that frigate in question is 391 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: the h MS Tribune, which was sent to uh knock 392 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: pick it off as a high horse, but also with 393 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: instructions to avoid out and out war. Yeah, they're they're 394 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: supposed to avoid a war because you know, a war 395 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: between the US and the UK at this time could 396 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: quickly become a global event, right uh, and it would 397 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: it would certainly be something that would consume the entire 398 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: continent of North America. So, in a euphemistic way, you 399 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: could say, the HMS Tribune was sent there to uh 400 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: just flex some maritime muscle and inspire Picket to move 401 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: somewhere else. The Tribune is backed up by these other 402 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: two ships we mentioned. They are the HMS Satellite and 403 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: the HMS Plumper, which is a ridiculous name ship. It's 404 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: just if it's so adorable. That's an animal crossing warship. 405 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: And these are each ships that pack heat. Uh. They 406 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: also have forty six Royal Marines in the mix, fifteen 407 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: Royal engineers. Picket is unmoved he has uninspired to continue 408 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: the euphemism, so instead of withdrawing, he writes to his 409 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: superiors for help and uh. During this time, for the 410 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: rest of July and then into August as well, both 411 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: grew are Both groups are acquiring more support. The British 412 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: are acquiring more royal marines, many of whom are battle hardened. 413 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: We're talking about people who had uh stormed beaches in 414 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: China not too long ago. And then on the U 415 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: s side, Pickett is kind of concerned with just putting 416 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: more feathers in his own cap. He's thinking, I'm already 417 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: low key famous because of my deeds in the Mexican War. 418 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: This is a chance to make myself even more of 419 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: a prominent American hero. Uh. He is threatening. He is 420 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: like squawking left and right. He's threatening the British on 421 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: their ships. He's antagonizing them. He's say, you're going to 422 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: have another bunker hill if you guys try to land 423 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: on the island. This land is our land. He probably said, sincerely, 424 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: without a note of irony. This, How does that old 425 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: saying go this um this something will not will not 426 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: stand there it is. Do you think any American general 427 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: ever just like aggressively said the words manifest destiny and 428 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: then slam their fists down on the table. I hope, so, 429 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: I definitely hope. So it seems like something they would do. 430 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: So this profoundly offends the British. This guy named James Douglas, 431 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: he's a governor of the Vancouver Island Colony, and he 432 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: orders the British naval commander, Rear Admiral Robert Baines, two 433 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: land marines on the island, get your house in order. 434 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: He's saying, he's smacking that table to your example, is 435 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: saying this saggression will not stand. Says this is a 436 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: British island. You get in there, you reassert British control. 437 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: And huge credit, huge shout out to Rear Admiral Baines, 438 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: because he diplomatically refuses, and he cites the reason that 439 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier. He said, you know, if we push 440 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: this too far, with all due respect, Governor, we could 441 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: end up in a war. And that's the last thing 442 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: anybody wants. There's something amazing about people who are able 443 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: to possess that clarity of thought when everything is going 444 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: south and getting into this, you know, this war text 445 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: of bad decisions and reactionary thought. This guy, the admiral, 446 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: is the one of the first people in the story 447 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: who says, should we start a world war? Should we 448 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: start another revolutionary war over this guy's pig? You know, 449 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: even if you love the pig. However, you know it's okay, okay, 450 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: how's a callback hashtag text? Pick? Um, I feel like 451 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: we're overlooking slightly, maybe just just just out loud, uh, 452 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: the idea or the fact that many huge scale wars 453 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: are caused by some little minute tipping point event, some 454 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: larger than others. Obviously, like the assassination of Archduke Franz 455 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: Ferdinand and all of that. Um, Ben, you're more of 456 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: the international affairs expert than me, but I think you 457 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: would agree that huge scale conflicts often result from small 458 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: scale events, Yeah, or are triggered by Obviously, it's not 459 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: the only thing. It's it's based on a huge run 460 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: up to that thing, and that's the straw that breaks 461 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: the you know, the camel's back or whatever. Yeah, that's 462 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: a really good point. Well, because we see the multiple 463 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: factors lead to wars and the thing that becomes that 464 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: catalyst that Malcolm Gladwell asked, tipping point that can be 465 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: a relatively small thing. It's just it becomes somehow symbolic 466 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: of the accumulation of those other are factors and variables 467 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: leading to a conflict. You are absolutely right, so pick 468 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: it on the U S side. He gets reinforcements. A 469 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one men under the command of Lieutenant 470 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: Colonel Silas Casey arrived on August ten, and they go 471 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: to Victoria and they talked to Rear Admiral Baines. They say, Okay, 472 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: this is a reasonable guy. There's something so surreal and 473 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: almost like doctor Strange love about this. How these highly 474 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: regarded military leaders have to meet up to figure out 475 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: whether or not they're going to war over this dispute 476 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: from these neighbors. And so much of it, I mean, 477 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, we use the word diplomacy, but so much 478 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: of it has to do with personalities and has to 479 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: do with like these like microaggressions, you know what I mean, 480 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: Like the idea of someone being unreasonable or pushing someone 481 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: too far, even just conversationally. Like so many decisions are 482 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: made based on that kind of calculus, or one would 483 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: hope not by the the the better more strategic generals. 484 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: But we know that based on the amazing satire that 485 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: is Dr Strangelove. Uh, some of these things can be 486 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: quite arbitrary and based on ego and posturing. Oh yeah, 487 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: and you know what, I think posturing should be the 488 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: word of the day on today's episode because this is 489 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: what follows now is all about posturing show of force, right. Uh. 490 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: The the guy who mentioned earlier, Lieutenant Colonel Casey. He 491 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: goes to meet with Bains and Baines by the way, 492 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: Baines is another battle hardened veteran. He had been in 493 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: the Battle of New Orleans in eighteen fifteen. He's got 494 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: a He's on board a ship, the HMS Ganges. It 495 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: has eighty four guns. And when uh, when Casey gets 496 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: to Baines and sees the ship, he calls on. He 497 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: calls on Baines and says, hey, well you come meet 498 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: us at this lighthouse. And Baines says, nice strike, kiddo. 499 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: I learned a thing or two in my days of 500 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: war and days of yore. I don't know if he's 501 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: excellent freestyling like that, but he says, look, I'm not 502 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: leaving my ship. Uh. And then Casey looks at the 503 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: ship and he's thinking Wow, this is intimidating. This this 504 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: ship is huge. So he goes back to San Juan 505 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: and he sends word to say, like, we need more people, 506 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: We need reinforcements. If we're really gonna do this, if 507 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: we're really gonna go to war over some territorial claims 508 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: and over this, you know, hapless, unfortunate pig, then I 509 00:35:53,280 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 1: need some firepower. So by August thirty one, there were 510 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty one Americans camped out in the 511 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: woods north of that sheep farm we mentioned, which I 512 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: hilariously referred to earlier as belle Vou, because that's clearly 513 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: a thing. It is, in fact Bellevue. There was an 514 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: errant e that had just dropped off of of our notes, 515 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: and those troops were protected by fourteen giant cannons known 516 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: as Field cannons. Not to mention the thirty two pound 517 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: naval guns that were taken off the U. S s. 518 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: Massachusetts and installed under the guidance of Second Lieutenant Henry M. Robert. 519 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: Uh So, the Americans were absolutely digging in their heels 520 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: um and the British were over conducting drills with their 521 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,800 Speaker 1: fifty two total guns. Yep, there's the posturing, so they would, uh, 522 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: they would shoot nearby. This is something we see sometimes 523 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: with modern day military x sercizes. Right, you're going into, 524 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: for instance, the South China Sea and you're like, oh, 525 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: we're just making sure our battleships are ready. We're just 526 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: doing that in front of you. Everyone be cool. We're 527 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: we're practicing. This one doesn't count, so that that's what 528 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: they're doing. This is maybe the most American part of 529 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: the story. Tourists get involved fun. It's like people and 530 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: this this is so weird. This happens in other North 531 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: American conflicts throughout history. Tourists start traveling to the area 532 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: from Victoria and they they say like, hey, let's let's 533 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: go watch. Let's go watch the military drill. Do you 534 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: think there will be a war? It's this ridiculous. This 535 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: is very interesting, Ben because I can't believe it's never 536 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,959 Speaker 1: occurred to me sooner at least as like a good 537 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: sketch or like a Monty Python esque kind of situation. 538 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: The idea of war tourists like obviously we have you know, 539 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: conflict reporters that are civilians that are you know, embedded 540 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: in war zones and there to do a job. But 541 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: how come we don't think about like the absurd concept 542 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: of like a family wearing Hawaiian shirts and eating popcorn, 543 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: like touching down in Sarajevo or whatever to watch the fireworks. Yeah, yeah, 544 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 1: it may have fallen off a bit in the modern day, 545 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: but you know what, we should do an episode about 546 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: it because it was a thing. It was definitely a thing. 547 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's kind of messed up. It was considered 548 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: as spectacle. Happened in Europe pretty frequently to Uh. So 549 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: there's something else here, and and I love that this 550 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: points out how absurd these conflicts can become. There's something 551 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: very like Vonna gut esque about this. The officers from 552 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: both sides, both the British and the US, they go 553 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: to church together while these tensions are mounting. They go 554 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: to church aboard the HMS satellite. Uh. They also go 555 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: to the Irish guy, Charles Griffin or Charles Griffith's home 556 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: and they hang out and they get kind of lit. 557 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: They drink whiskey and smoke cigars. But they're still like 558 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: after that, right, like after their hangout sessions with the 559 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: Lord or with whiskey and cigars. After those hangout sessions 560 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, we're gonna go back to our posts. 561 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: Let's hope we don't start a war tomorrow. Uh are 562 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: you gonna He's not gonna do it. Yeah, okay, see 563 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: see your Monday. No, that's what I'm saying that these moments, 564 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: the idea of these like military leaders lounging around together 565 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: with their whiskey and cigars, it reminds me of another 566 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: Stanley Kubrick movie actually called Paths of Glory, which um 567 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 1: isn't quite as heavily satirical as Doctor Strangelove, but it's 568 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: very difficult for something to be because that one is 569 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,919 Speaker 1: just over the top, you know, to to steal your word, 570 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: cartoonishly satirical. But Paths of Glory involves uh, World War One, 571 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: I want to say, um, like trench warfare hardcore, where 572 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: these um generals very callously make the decision to send 573 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: troops on a an utter suicide mission, and they do 574 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: it while lounging in this like French villa, drinking brandies 575 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: and smoking cigars. So that's kind of the callousness that 576 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Terrible, and so these you know, we 577 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: don't it's lost to history. We don't know how chill 578 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: these folks were when they were actually hanging out, or 579 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: if they were just sort of checking the cultural boxes 580 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: right of going to church, of being officers holding parley. 581 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 1: But we do know for the rest of that summer, 582 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: the officers and forces on both sides, we're playing chicken. Basically, 583 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: they were trying to get the other side to fire 584 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 1: the first shot, because then anything they did would be 585 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: an act of defense, right, so they would not be 586 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: quote unquote the bad guys. This was gonna go sideways 587 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: very easily, you know what I mean. Forget if Franz 588 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: Ferdinand another pig getting shot could have possibly put US 589 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,720 Speaker 1: and the UK into a state of war. Luckily, officials 590 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: from both nations find out about this when news of 591 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: the crisis reaches Washington in late August. Here's the other 592 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: absurd thing about this. The officials, both from Britain and 593 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: the US had no idea what was happening in San Juan. 594 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: Because the whole time the forces there in Oregon County 595 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: have been like, um, they have been asking their superiors 596 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 1: for reinforcements, but they were asking their regional superiors, you 597 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean. No one was talking to the 598 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: British monarchy. No one was talking to the US president, 599 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 1: see President James Buchanan. When he finds out about this, 600 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: he has an oh, snap, this could be bad moment. 601 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: And so he sends a general named Winfield Scott to investigate. 602 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: And he says, look, General, you need to go there, 603 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: and you need to make these people calm down, because 604 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: we don't want to be in another war. Uh. Scott 605 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: had a history about of this. He had a resume, 606 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: he had ease tensions on two other border disputes. Yeah, 607 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: something of like a hostage negotiator type vibe, or like 608 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: a dog whisperer, but like for troops. Um. So Buchanan 609 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: um was already up to his neck in trying to 610 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: prevent war on another front between the Northern and Southern 611 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: states of the United States. Uh. And saw this whole 612 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: kerfuffle on the island as an absolute waste of time. 613 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: So he wanted to do whatever it took to shut 614 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: it down. Uh. And Winfield Scott, you know, with his 615 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: certain set of skill, was his best hope, I think right. 616 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: So he sailed down through Panama. Took him six weeks. 617 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 1: He got there uh in October um and started chatting 618 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: with Douglas Via you know, like Courier UM, and the 619 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: two arranged for each UM leader, each representative of each 620 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: nation to withdraw their troops, leaving a single company of 621 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: troops from each side there and one warship, one British 622 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: warship anchored in the bay. So peace upon you San 623 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: Juan Islands. This joint military occupation last another twelve years. 624 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: During that twelve years, there is no shot fired over time. 625 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 1: Of course, these occupying troops were talking about a hundred 626 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: dudes on each side. These occupying troops, they become buddies, 627 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: their co workers and you know, other co workers. At 628 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: this point, they get together a celebrate the holidays. Uh. 629 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 1: They even they even play some sports and games. After 630 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,520 Speaker 1: thirteen years of sometimes stilted negotiations, you know, held up 631 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: in part by the Civil War, Uh, the US Britain 632 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: agreed to allow another party two come in like a 633 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: third party, to help solve the dispute over San Juan Island. 634 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: And that third party they choose is the ruler of 635 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: a brand new nation, a newly established station called Germany. 636 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: At ruler's name Kaiser Wilhelm. First A good kaiser role. 637 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: I was your favorite type of brad Ben. You know, 638 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 1: I have thought about this a lot. It's very difficult 639 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: to choose. I've recently become obsessed with submarine sandwiches. Uh, 640 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: and I'm doing some some really uh intriguing experiments ridiculous historians. 641 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: You may or may not know this, but my long 642 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: suffering colleagues have had to listen to me become obsessively 643 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: wrapped up in different food experience experience like a case. 644 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: Not on purpose, not on purpose, you got me? Um, Yeah, 645 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: it's stuff to choose. The Kaiser is not named after 646 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: the bread, in case anybody was wanting that's unfortunate. Perhaps 647 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: the other way around. Uh, perhaps this was the Kaiser's 648 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: favorite bread. But but the Kaiser is a is a 649 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: is a post, right, It's like a It's basically like 650 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 1: a general or or or an emperor or something. Right, Yeah, 651 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: the German Emperor got it, or the head of the 652 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: Holy Roman Empire, Emperor of Austria. Or of course a 653 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: round soft roll of bread with a crisp crust, I 654 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 1: like a nice crusty baguette. Or if you want to 655 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: go completely different route of brioche, there's this. I tried 656 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 1: this bread that is croissant bread. It's like a loaf 657 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:58,320 Speaker 1: of croissants that's just also bread. It's pretty good. Man 658 00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: layers in there with the airpot against UH, and then 659 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, sucker for tusking garlic loof. Anyway, anyway, the 660 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,840 Speaker 1: Kaiser forms the commission. On October one, eighteen seventy two, 661 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: they announced their ruling, and they rule in favor of 662 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: the US, which means they established that boundary from the 663 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: Oregon Treaty to go through Harrow Strait. And this is 664 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 1: why the San Juan Islands are part of the US today. 665 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: This is the final boundary between Canada and the US. 666 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: It's it's finally set. November two, the Royal Marines finally 667 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 1: moved from their camp. And you know, I'm speculating here, Noll, 668 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,720 Speaker 1: but I imagine it was a little bitter sweet because 669 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,840 Speaker 1: these people have become friends and they're like, what's happening 670 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 1: to our kickball league? Bro, It's not about the dead 671 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: pigs that caused UH near military catastrophe. It's about the 672 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 1: friend that we made along the way, exactly. And that 673 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: is why the only casualty in the entirety of this 674 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 1: conflict was that one incredibly unfortunate pig. If you're in 675 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,800 Speaker 1: the area, why not swing by the San Juan Island 676 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: National Historical Park. You can still visit the site of 677 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,280 Speaker 1: both the British and the American camps. And fun fact, 678 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: it is the only United States national park where a 679 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: foreign flag is regularly hoisted over United States soil. And 680 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: that is because both the flag and the flag pole 681 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 1: were a gift from the British government as a sign 682 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: of the friends we made along the way. You know, 683 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: there's one thing that haunts me about this. It's just 684 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: one thing. What was the name of the pig? You know, 685 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: it's a good question, Ben. We'll have to just name 686 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,440 Speaker 1: him in our hearts. We'll have to just well, you 687 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: know what, let's all let's just keep it to ourselves 688 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: like a wish, like a secret wish when you throw 689 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: a penny in a fountain, and we'll all just secretly 690 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 1: name the pig in our hearts, because that's where he lives. Now, 691 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,759 Speaker 1: that's where he resides. Uh. If you don't want to 692 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,479 Speaker 1: keep it in your hearts, and you want to give 693 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: us your best, uh, your best names for this unfortunate 694 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: but historically important pig. We love to hear him. You 695 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 1: can tell us about it online, where you can find 696 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: us at our Facebook page Ridiculous Historians. You can also 697 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: find us on social media, not just as a show, 698 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: but as individuals, that's correct. You can find me exclusively 699 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: on Instagram, where I post relatively regularly with you know, 700 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: pictures of my twelve year old newly quite goth cost 701 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: playing daughter and our adventures together and you know, music 702 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 1: stuff and memes and the like, and uh you know 703 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: all that. Ben, you're a bit more of a Twitter 704 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: with with with quite a lovely Twitter presence. Yeah, that's 705 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: kind of oll. Yeah, I am uh not more a Twitterer. 706 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,960 Speaker 1: I am on Twitter and Instagram. You can find me 707 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I just busted one of my cats out 708 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: of cat jail. I'm at Ben Bowling. You can also 709 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,360 Speaker 1: find me on Twitter. Hit me up with weird ridiculous 710 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 1: history facts or questions. Always love to hear them at 711 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: Ben Bowling hs W. You know, big thanks to super 712 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram, who will be who is with us 713 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 1: in spirit and we'll be joining us for our next episode. 714 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,959 Speaker 1: He sure will. And then I just want to say 715 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: I did not mean to imply that you did not 716 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: also have an epically delightful Instagram account. Uh, you are 717 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 1: just quite the word smith on Twitter and uh and 718 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: I very much enjoy those posts, which you also repost 719 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: on Instagram in case people miss it in a Twitter 720 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,800 Speaker 1: person so highly recommend you follow both of those accounts 721 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: of my good friend Ben Bolan Shucks. Uh, you don't know. 722 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta show you this cat. It's a story. 723 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 1: It's a story for off the air by I want 724 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: to put you on the spot too much, man, But 725 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: for folks who don't know, my friend Noll is uh 726 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: prodigiously talented in the realm of music. So if you 727 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: ask him politely, you like how I'm volunteering you, Man, 728 00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,280 Speaker 1: you ask him politely, he might give you a sneak 729 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: peak of some stuff I might And maybe one day 730 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: I'll make that SoundCloud I've been talking about for low 731 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: these many years. I do. I do have some things 732 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: in the works though, Uh and I appreciate the shout out. Ben, 733 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: um huge thanks to Christopher hasciotes here in spirit Gay 734 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: Blusier research or Extraordinary who will be joining us. We've 735 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 1: got him on the books for a very special episode, 736 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: very special episode. Um, I can't wait. We had a 737 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 1: really nice talk with him the other day. Things are 738 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: going great. We're all still friends and I think he 739 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,320 Speaker 1: might be dropping in a little more on a regular 740 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: schedule coming up soon. Yeah, we finally talked Goodbye into 741 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: hanging out with us. It was very much a bromance 742 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,080 Speaker 1: eating I think, but I can't wait to have you 743 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: on Gabe of course. Also speaking music, huge thanks to 744 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: Alex Williams who composed this slap and bop you're probably 745 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: hearing crescendo gently in the background now, And thanks to 746 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,959 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland's who you Know a k The Quister who 747 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: you Know would have absolutely killed it with some ridiculous 748 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: British accents in today's show. Agreed, We'll see you next time. Books. 749 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,239 Speaker 1: For more podcasts for my Heart Radio, visit the I 750 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to 751 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.