WEBVTT - White Gravies Only (with Rob Haze) 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.760 Yeah, you don't. Uh, you don't make friends that way. 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:08.800 And in New York he'll be like, hey man, let's 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.080 go to this deli and get a sandwich. I'll be like, yo, 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.600 I funk with you. You know the best delis. Did 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:17.200 you take me to a fucking corner store and be like, hey, dog, 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:29.360 let's let's eat here. Beat your eggs chips in yours 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:47.320 are racist money stuff. I can't tell me. Yep, yep, yep. 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.760 There it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:55.320 to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.040 podcast where we dive deep, deep into the pockets of 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.880 black conspiracy theories and we finally work to prove that 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:09.039 the P in Swaggy p actually stands for proletariat. That's right. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.600 Nick Young has been a Marxist this entire time. His 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.040 whole basketball career was just a political statement, and you 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.880 motherfucker's weren't paying attention. The man is trying to introduce 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.800 equality in a different way in America, and you guys 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:26.720 have been treating him like a fool, but not me. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:30.160 I get it, Swaggy proletariat. I'm aware of the work 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.679 that you're doing. I'm your host, Lengthsthing Kerman as always 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.840 very excited to be here. I'm pumped, I'm feeling good. 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.880 I took a big old dump before I got in, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.760 so I'm I'm empty. I'm loose. You know what I mean. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.760 You gotta come in loosen, buddy, I'm loosing. You know 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.520 who else is loose? You know who else is I 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.600 have to imagine takes big dumps and feels good about him? 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.520 Is my guest today, my yesterday. He's such a He's 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.320 such a funny fucking guy. He's so hilarious. You know 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.280 him from his work on on Sherman's Showcase. You know 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.320 him from Comedy Central. You know him most importantly from 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:07.080 his brand new sketch show called Sneak This on br Kicks. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.480 So funny, so talented. Give it up from my guest, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:15.400 Mr Rob Hey, But I did not know that about 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.320 Swagey Pete. Oh yeah, it's it's all. It's all in 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.680 there makes sense. He shot the three and then turned 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.640 around because he didn't want to look at capitalism. Yeah, 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.520 he's like, you all are making the mistake of celebrating 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.800 these big grand achievements when we should be sharing it, 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:39.960 mixing it amongst the people you know for sure, for sure, 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.360 you seem so old. And that's that's why, that's why 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.600 I like you. Rob. It's now easily your swage by 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.639 my bullshit. You came to us today. I don't want to. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.560 I don't want to funk around here, Rob. Okay, I don't. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.120 I don't want to jibber and jabber here because you 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:04.280 came to us today with a a conspiracy theory that 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.680 that I said this to you already, That number one 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.119 I had never heard of before in my life. This, 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.400 this wasn't on my radar. I wasn't you know. I 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.639 keep my ear to the conspiracy theory streets, and this one, 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:19.600 this one ain't buzzing number one. But then number two 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.959 also is one that I didn't realize a person could 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:27.600 be as passionate about as you've described your mother to 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.200 be about this one. So this is exciting, and I'm 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.079 gonna make sure I I get the phrasing exactly as 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.320 you gave it to me. You said, my mama told 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:41.320 me white gravy is for white people and brown gravy 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:49.000 is for black people. That's correct. Tell me more. Okay. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:56.480 So I grew up in Atlanta Georgia, pretty black city surroundings. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.960 High school percent black except for white Mike. And his 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.800 name wasn't Mike. Okay, uh yeah, you know principle was 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.120 that a play on that Mr. Cooper spin off? It 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.400 was it was a play on the Wayne's Brothers character, right, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.400 it wasn't Mr Wayne's Brothers and they didn't get his 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:23.960 own spin off. Yeah yeah, yeah, sleeping on the couch, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.920 white Mike. That's what we call them. One white person 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:33.400 in our great Yeah. So I get to college. I 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.760 get to the University of Georgia, school that I think 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.839 at the time was eight percent black, complete culture. Shock, 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.040 first time really being around white people, like like all 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.840 day every day. And those are those are those big 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.560 corn fed white people. Those ain't just uh that's not 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.039 like a casual introduction into white people that that sort 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.279 of look and move like you do. These are big 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.080 old country whites. Yeah, yeah, no, they're not the whites 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:09.240 I was watching on the o C exactly totally different. 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.839 Yeah yeah no, the people cross the hall did dip. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.320 So yeah, that's time I'm seeing seeing that type of thing. 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:21.120 And so we are in the dining halls in University 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.800 of Georgia Award winning like the best food. You know, 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.360 we have one dining hall. It's twenty four hours just 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.800 food at any time, just you know, pushing those metabolisms 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:40.640 to the limit. So we get there and and at 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:47.400 breakfast sometimes they have biscuits, but then they have white gravy. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.040 And that was my first time eating it, and it 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.960 was good. I liked it. And so then I feel 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.760 like we went to Cracker Barrero or something with my 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.080 mom one time she came in town, went the Cracker 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:04.440 Barrel and I had sausage gravy with my biscuit. You 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.919 would have thought I had like a Nazi tattoo. You 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:14.799 would have thought I had like like something crazy heaving. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.080 She just like was so mad, and she was like, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:23.760 you know, you're not supposed to be eating gray And 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.719 I'm like what, I didn't know. I didn't know. And 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.560 so then and my sister was like, yeah, you know, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.880 you're not supposed to be eating white gravy. You know, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.320 like I might as well have brought a white girl 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.440 home like like that. That's how they were treating me. 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.160 They were acting like I betrayed my race by bringing 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:48.840 white gravy. Well, there's so much here that I love 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.520 because because in a beautiful way, you went off to 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.000 college to better yourself. Do you know what I mean? 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.279 You went off to to go get the education that 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.560 I imagine your parents worked very hard to encourage you 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.080 to get and and provide for you and all the things. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.120 You go off to college. They're they're they're sitting at 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.640 home and they're thinking, our our sweet boy are lovely, 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.880 Our sweet boy, he's done it. He's he's finally made it. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:18.880 And and you're secretly at college eating the Devil's the 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.800 Devil's topic. You know, you're just you're just dipping biscuits 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.360 and the Devil's juice, and and unbeknownst to your mother, 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:30.520 who then takes you to cracker Barrel, which already is 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.280 a problematic position for her to take if she's worried 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:38.400 about you. Loves cracker barrel to hey, quite gravy. It 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.680 loves crackle Barrel. Like there's a picture of us. It's 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.640 on I G somewhere. We're in rocking chairs waiting till 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.640 like going the cracker barrel, like we my grandmother loves 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.880 cracker barrel. Like when they like came out like, hey, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.000 there's some racist issues. We stopped going for like maybe 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.920 a year, like maybe we stopped going and then ninety 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.280 nine we went right back. She took a quick respite, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.760 just a little break in in the midst of the 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:12.840 developing Willennium. She said, I'll step back, I'll give this 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.280 a second, but then I'll come back to Cracker Barrel 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.440 because I can't get enough of it once. Jesse Jackson 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:25.360 got everything straight at Cracker Barrel. But but the more 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.120 beautiful thing is she takes you to to what could 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.760 one could argue is maybe one of the whitest restaurants 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:37.160 that exists, certainly in the South, and then gets angry 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:41.160 at you. It feels betrayed by you, even when she 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.760 realizes that you have now subscribed to some of the 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:49.360 white dishes that this white restaurant searchs with cracker in 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:56.680 the name Cracker Barrel. Yeah, okay, So so she says 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.319 this to you. She goes, you know you're not supposed 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.400 to be eating that. You're your sisters as you know 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.720 you're not supposed to be eating that. What do you 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:05.679 then do? Do you then spit it out of your 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.400 mouth and you say I'll never do this again, or 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.720 you do do you stand up for your right to 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:15.040 eat this white gravy. I just stand up for for 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:20.000 the fact that it just seemed ridiculous. Sure, you know, 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.840 I just was like, we eat sausage. You're cool with sausage. 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:31.600 You're cool with sausage patties links. However, but for some reason, 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.640 when it'send a gravy, it's it's a problem. What do 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.800 you think it is? What? What do you think triggers 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:43.520 triggers her so much that makes the white gravy so offensive. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:47.199 I think that my mom is is a New Yorker, 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.400 and so she she was a transplant to the South, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:56.800 and I think she associates white gravy with the old 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:04.359 South h old. That's now. That is a very astute observation, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:08.000 because I'll be honest, not having spent much time in 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.800 the South at all, I growing up had no I 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.720 wasn't even aware of white gravy. White gravy isn't necessarily 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.680 a common thing where I'm from, certainly not in like 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.840 the major cities of like the North and Midwest. Like 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.800 that's not we ain't fucking around in white gravy, all 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.920 our gravy dark skin where I'm from. You know what 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.320 I'm saying, And it certainly ain't as much of a 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.360 breakfast thing as it is, like, uh, gravies for for 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:38.080 big old hearty meals that ain't breakfast for sure. And 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.360 I and in my travels, I have learned that people 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.479 outside of the South don't know how to do like gravy. 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.400 And so it's it's one of those things where you 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.079 know if if you get the wrong white gravy, it 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.720 will turn you out forever. You're like, I'm never putting 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:58.360 that google ever again. It's not sweet, and it's not 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:02.160 it's not good. Yeah, So it's it's one of those 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.920 things where you gotta have the right white gravy in 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.439 order to really appreciate it. I have a theory that 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:14.560 no matter where you're from, everyone loves their trash. I 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.920 like this, I like your head. Okay. So you know, 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.960 like like you'll meet someone they'll be from a place 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.600 and they'll be like, well, you had to grow up 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.280 with it. You had you know. You you go to Nebraska, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.559 they're like, you ever had a runsa And it's like 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.640 the sandwich it's got onions. It's kind of like the 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.200 bread is fried and everything will tear your stomach up 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.400 if you didn't grow up with it. But it's great, 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.720 you know, like Philly cheese steaks, like you know, like 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.800 Mexican food out here, like you know, like everybody has 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:52.000 their food that you know you shouldn't be eating, but 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:58.200 because you have nostalgia for it, you love it. Where 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.360 I where I'm from, Uh, we used to be able 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.080 to go to a corner store by a bag of 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.560 flaming hots, and then you could get the dude in 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.960 the back to put some like meat and some nacho 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.840 cheese on top of the flaming hots in the bag, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.400 so it would just be like a pocket of of 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.720 nacho flaming hots and you eat it with a fork. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.439 And that ship you used to fucking bang, you know 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:27.520 what I mean? Like as person, Yeah, I fu but 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.520 I loved it, you know what I'm saying. Like I 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.199 would die for that ship, and I would defend I 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.840 would defend my house and home in honor of a 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.079 bag of flaming hots covered in nacho cheese and and 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.960 unproofed meat, you know what I mean. But now, if 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.120 if talking to a person who obviously didn't grow up 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.760 with that experience, I fully respect that. You go, hey, dog, 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.480 don't do that no more. Yeah. No, if I saw 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.120 that at eight, I'm like, I'm game, yeah, you know, No, 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.560 in my thirties, I'm like that that's a bag of 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.840 flame and hats might take me out now. But you know, 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:05.680 like like in the middle of the country, they have 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:09.960 covers a place that will sell you cheese curds and 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:14.079 a milk shade, and it's like that should be illegal. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:19.680 That's not that literally is is just selling a cork 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.520 for your anis, Like, it's not. You might as well 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.800 just cork your anis directly and just call it that. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.079 But I did a school in Wisconsin and I was like, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.800 I'm not gonna be able to come to Colvis again. 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.600 So I like their ice cream. I like the cheese curves. 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:38.280 I'm gonna try to do them both. Have sense. I respect. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:43.199 I respect that you took that risk. People love Whitecastle, 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.520 you know, I love white Castle, right like people who 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:51.960 grew up around Whitecastle love white Castle. My father's from Louisville, Kentucky, 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:59.000 the big white Castle town, White Castle. White white Castle 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.720 is huge and little, Like that's what a sad statement 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:07.120 to stay about anywhere that somebody lives to be like, yeah, 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:11.120 it's a big white castle. Then, like the judgment and 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.520 and just shipping on them without saying it directly that 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.160 you're doing by calling them a big white castle town 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:22.280 is chef's kiss, you know. But so I know that 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.240 love for Whitecastle. But then when I got to New York, 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.200 it was like, Oh, these people never had good white Castle, 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.960 so they don't expect it, so they're not making it like, oh, 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.480 white Castle could be good, you know, like there's a 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:41.680 difference between Ohio white Castle and New York Brooklyn, you know, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:46.160 Bushwick Whitecastle. Yes, when when we were and you and 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.640 I were in New York around the same sort of 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.800 like era. When we were in New York, there were 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.200 like two white castles that I at least was aware of. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.520 There are three. There were two. There was one in 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:01.080 bed Sty, there was one in bush Twik across from 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:05.560 Legion Bar where that open mic was, and then finally 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.160 there was one in the Bronx. Now it was Harlem 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.160 up like when you were trying to go to the airport, 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.440 you could like get off on like one of the 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.920 Harlem stops and then be at a white Castle and 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.520 then catch the bus to get to the airport. All 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.000 of those places. While I did eat at all three 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.960 of those locations and listen. I'm a fan. I'm a 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:29.080 fan first, I'm a fan always White Castle. If you 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.640 want to do an endorsement with me, goddamn it, I'll 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:36.040 take the minimum. I'm just a fan of your workfellas, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.360 Mr Castle. I I love what you do. That said, 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.320 I agree with you. They're not putting the same effort 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.760 care love into them little ass burgers and onions that 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:53.640 you would find in a state that prides itself on good. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:58.000 White Castle. Nashville, the furthest South White Castle goes. So 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.200 you know, like so on the way to Little go 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.200 go through Nashville, that's the first time you can get 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.360 the White Castle. That's especially they got crystals and White Castle. 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.400 It's it's yeah, that's like that that meme with the 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:17.000 Crip and the blood tied their flags together, That's what 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.960 that is for sure for sure. So yeah, but I 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.080 when I got to Brooklyn, I'm like, there's a White 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.840 Castle walking distance from my house. I'm gonna go there. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.640 And then I mean it just I just felt the 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.760 like disbelief and like, you know, you could see everything 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.680 that's going on in the back and I could just 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.920 feel like, oh, these people they don't believe in good 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.800 fast food. That I can't make good fast food because 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.360 they don't believe in good fast food. No, they think 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.480 they're better than this and therefore can't make the product 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.680 that it deserves to be. M you know what I mean. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.880 It's it's it's no different frankly than fucking drugs, right 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.440 that Like, at the end of the day, there is 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.360 a different between like shit heroin and great heroin, and 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.040 and it's neither one of them is good for you, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.159 but you want the good heroine. And at least the 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.959 Midwest and the South when it comes to fast food 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:17.320 and some of the other less coveted things, they at 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.040 least take the time to make the good version of 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.040 the bad thing, if that makes But see they don't 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.960 have corner stores. In New York. They got corner stores. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.280 They'll make a sandwich next to where you buying random groceries, 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.720 and that's acceptable. But you know, in the South, if 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.440 you get a hot dog next to you know where 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.480 you buy a lottery tickets and highly frowned upon. Okay, 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:47.240 So where do you stand now in the white gravy conversation? 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.840 Are you still a white gravy advocate? Have you backed 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.439 off of your white gravy beliefs. Where where do you 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.959 live in this whole? Okay, I treat white gravy like 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:03.160 how like liberal with conservative parents treat their views like 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:08.400 I'm not gonna bring white gravy home for the holiday, 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.000 you know, but on my own time, i might sneak 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:19.080 and have some white gravy while I'm in the South. Yeah, damn, okay, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.000 I'm gonna talk about it. I'm not gonna be like, 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.800 you know, oh yeah, I had some biscuits, you know, 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.960 and then open the whole conversation of oh did you 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.800 put on your biscuits. I'm not gonna You're not You're 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.920 not coming home, and like taking a big stance where 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:38.560 you're like, mom, I'm a white gravy man, fucking yeah, 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.720 I'm not doing that. I'm thinking this except me for 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.520 who I am. I'm not gonna ruin Christmas. I'm not 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.760 gonna do that. That's fair and honestly that that to 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:52.040 me feels like the more reasonable approach to something that 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:58.600 makes your family uncomfortable, like even politically socially gravely, I 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.640 think you had some point just have to go this 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.919 is for me, it's not for them. And as long 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.840 as I am not hurting them and they are not 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.360 hurting me. We can live with these things separately. They 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.840 don't have to accept every element of who I am 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.320 in order for us to be able to function and 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.600 enjoy each other. That's real, that's real. I think. Also, 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.360 I don't know how to make it. If I knew 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.959 how to make white gravy, it might be like another story, 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.520 because then I could I could just whip some up 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.560 in the kitchen and just really drive everybody crazy. But 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:36.280 because I don't know how to make it, that's you know, 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.640 that's another thing. Do you do you think your mom 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.560 has ever had white gravy? Is this like a green 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.040 eggs in Ham type situation? It might be. It might 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.800 be a green eggs and Ham sprinkled with a little 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:58.440 you know, civil rights movement, yeah, and yeah, slavery and whatnot. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:03.720 But but green eggs and Ham, I'm sure in in 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.320 the Dr. Seuss universe, green Eggs and Ham comes from 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:14.280 a dark history of of abuse and fucking, you know, genocide. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.480 There's probably genocide behind the green eggs in hand. That 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.000 Sam I Am character. He had a much more complicated 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.600 stance than the book I think leads us to believe 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:27.719 you know. Yeah, no, there's a reason why they're making 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:32.359 people try green eggs. Yeah, there's a you know, like 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:38.400 like food is scarce, Yes, food is scarce. These green 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.560 eggs are all we have left, and they come from 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.840 a terribly dark history. But you know, you gotta try him, apparently, 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:50.560 and honestly, that's how they get you, because they they 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:56.040 trick you into submitting to what's left and the what's 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:59.840 left cause it's it comes from pain, it comes from tragedy, 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:03.679 it comes from hurt. That you can't uncook, that you 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:11.960 can't unboil or scramble if you will in a box. Okay, 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.600 let me ask you this question. Do you feel like 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:19.320 your mother or your family in general have other sort 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.840 of like foods that they associate with, like specifically white people, 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:27.840 that they would be equally sort of flabbergasted by you 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:32.520 choosing to to like eat or introduced to the family. 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:40.280 M M, I don't know. I can't think of another 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:49.000 another instance. I'm trying to think of other foods. This 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:53.200 is the one I've this. My my family is really 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.600 like that's the thing. We're like, we're we're not that family, 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.480 Like we're not that like my mom makes cast roles 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.719 like like of all the people in the world, like 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.239 this is where she draws the line. But you know 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:12.760 she's she's flirting with some some some stereotypes that that 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:20.240 are not with black people, like makes Green being Cassero sometimes. Wow. Yeah, 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:23.400 I've never had that from a black person. Yeah, yeah, 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:27.800 I I never understand spinach cast role. It's like, what, like, 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.199 all castle rolls to me are the same. They just 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:38.600 take a vegetable and then make it worse. It looks nice, 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.320 it looks nice, but it's like, I'd rather just have 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.320 this vegetable by itself. It's probably better. I didn't grow 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:49.639 up with casse roles. I don't know a lot about them. 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:53.840 I did really like uh and granted, and this is 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:58.040 worth noting, I have a very shitty palette, right, Like 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.880 my taste buds don't work well. I'll pretty much eat anything. 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:05.879 I am not a particularly picky person nor a particularly 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.359 discerning person, and when it comes to the food that 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.560 I'll put in my mouth. But I did genuinely love 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.159 like Tuna Helper, and I feel like Tuna Helper was 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:19.840 as close to a casse role as my family could 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:22.480 find itself. You know what, I mean, it's essentially casserole. 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.960 It's just now in a box. And most people would 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:27.879 be like, you should kill yourself for eating that, and 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.040 I'd be like, as long as I'm buried with some 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:36.040 tuna casserole, I kill myself right now. Tuna helper, man, Yeah, 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.399 I don't what So what is tuna helper? Is it? 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.119 You put it with the tuna or it's its own 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.439 thing now it's it's an offshoot of Hamburger Helper. It 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.359 was Hamburger helper being like we killed the game or 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:53.440 Hamburger not less funk around in other meats. And then 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.639 they use tuna fish and much in the way that 0:23:56.680 --> 0:24:00.240 you would with with Hamburger helper. You're basically, uh, you're 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.879 mixing their seasonings and pre ingredients with the meat that 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:10.520 you purchased to create a noodle slash meat casserole to 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:17.919 serve to unsuspecting victims. Okay, okay, this sounds smelly, It 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:22.400 sounds like that sound good. But I've definitely had hamburg 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:24.280 a head. But we definitely grew up with the glove 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:30.000 for sure. But yeah I didn't, Yeah, I didn't go 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:34.160 that far into the into the tuna helper. If you're 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.840 not in the Helper multiverse? What are you doing? You know, 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.120 it's truly, it's a it's a delightful male if you 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:46.679 don't have great standards for what a good meal is. 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.359 M h okay, let me ask you this last question 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:54.040 that we'll go to break. Do you feel like your 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:58.040 mother in any way has changed because you're telling me 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.919 this happened when you were in college. This was so 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:04.040 I assume at least a decade ago that had this 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:07.719 experience happened. Do you feel like there's any chance that 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:12.280 your mother has has come around to now appreciate or 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:16.360 at least respect white gravy differently than she did before. 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.879 I mean, I think she knows them on killing because 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:23.560 I'm around. But other than that, I think, you know, 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:28.480 I don't think my mom will ever ever eat white gray. 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:32.080 I think it's a rap, you know, I don't I 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:35.199 don't really know the origin, Like, I don't know, you know, 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.320 what happened to her. What you know, if she sees 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:41.960 white's only when she sees the gravy getting put on 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:47.399 the plate or what. But yeah, I just if there 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:51.040 was some kind of paper bag test or something. Yeah, 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.240 but I just yeah, I do like to imagine your 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:58.840 mother as a young child, dining somewhere with with her family, 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.320 and then uh, a mean white man walks into a 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:06.200