Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't. Uh, you don't make friends that way.
Speaker 1: And in New York he'll be like, hey man, let's
Speaker 1: go to this deli and get a sandwich. I'll be like, yo,
Speaker 1: I funk with you. You know the best delis. Did
Speaker 1: you take me to a fucking corner store and be like, hey, dog,
Speaker 1: let's let's eat here. Beat your eggs chips in yours
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Speaker 1: There it is. There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome
Speaker 1: to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, the
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Speaker 1: Nick Young has been a Marxist this entire time. His
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Speaker 1: have been treating him like a fool, but not me.
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Speaker 1: Mr Rob Hey, But I did not know that about
Speaker 1: Swagey Pete. Oh yeah, it's it's all. It's all in
Speaker 1: there makes sense. He shot the three and then turned
Speaker 1: around because he didn't want to look at capitalism. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like, you all are making the mistake of celebrating
Speaker 1: these big grand achievements when we should be sharing it,
Speaker 1: mixing it amongst the people you know for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: you seem so old. And that's that's why, that's why
Speaker 1: I like you. Rob. It's now easily your swage by
Speaker 1: my bullshit. You came to us today. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to funk around here, Rob. Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to jibber and jabber here because you
Speaker 1: came to us today with a a conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: that I said this to you already, That number one
Speaker 1: I had never heard of before in my life. This,
Speaker 1: this wasn't on my radar. I wasn't you know. I
Speaker 1: keep my ear to the conspiracy theory streets, and this one,
Speaker 1: this one ain't buzzing number one. But then number two
Speaker 1: also is one that I didn't realize a person could
Speaker 1: be as passionate about as you've described your mother to
Speaker 1: be about this one. So this is exciting, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make sure I I get the phrasing exactly as
Speaker 1: you gave it to me. You said, my mama told
Speaker 1: me white gravy is for white people and brown gravy
Speaker 1: is for black people. That's correct. Tell me more. Okay.
Speaker 1: So I grew up in Atlanta Georgia, pretty black city surroundings.
Speaker 1: High school percent black except for white Mike. And his
Speaker 1: name wasn't Mike. Okay, uh yeah, you know principle was
Speaker 1: that a play on that Mr. Cooper spin off? It
Speaker 1: was it was a play on the Wayne's Brothers character, right,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Mr Wayne's Brothers and they didn't get his
Speaker 1: own spin off. Yeah yeah, yeah, sleeping on the couch,
Speaker 1: white Mike. That's what we call them. One white person
Speaker 1: in our great Yeah. So I get to college. I
Speaker 1: get to the University of Georgia, school that I think
Speaker 1: at the time was eight percent black, complete culture. Shock,
Speaker 1: first time really being around white people, like like all
Speaker 1: day every day. And those are those are those big
Speaker 1: corn fed white people. Those ain't just uh that's not
Speaker 1: like a casual introduction into white people that that sort
Speaker 1: of look and move like you do. These are big
Speaker 1: old country whites. Yeah, yeah, no, they're not the whites
Speaker 1: I was watching on the o C exactly totally different.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah no, the people cross the hall did dip.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's time I'm seeing seeing that type of thing.
Speaker 1: And so we are in the dining halls in University
Speaker 1: of Georgia Award winning like the best food. You know,
Speaker 1: we have one dining hall. It's twenty four hours just
Speaker 1: food at any time, just you know, pushing those metabolisms
Speaker 1: to the limit. So we get there and and at
Speaker 1: breakfast sometimes they have biscuits, but then they have white gravy.
Speaker 1: And that was my first time eating it, and it
Speaker 1: was good. I liked it. And so then I feel
Speaker 1: like we went to Cracker Barrero or something with my
Speaker 1: mom one time she came in town, went the Cracker
Speaker 1: Barrel and I had sausage gravy with my biscuit. You
Speaker 1: would have thought I had like a Nazi tattoo. You
Speaker 1: would have thought I had like like something crazy heaving.
Speaker 1: She just like was so mad, and she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're not supposed to be eating gray And
Speaker 1: I'm like what, I didn't know. I didn't know. And
Speaker 1: so then and my sister was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be eating white gravy. You know,
Speaker 1: like I might as well have brought a white girl
Speaker 1: home like like that. That's how they were treating me.
Speaker 1: They were acting like I betrayed my race by bringing
Speaker 1: white gravy. Well, there's so much here that I love
Speaker 1: because because in a beautiful way, you went off to
Speaker 1: college to better yourself. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You went off to to go get the education that
Speaker 1: I imagine your parents worked very hard to encourage you
Speaker 1: to get and and provide for you and all the things.
Speaker 1: You go off to college. They're they're they're sitting at
Speaker 1: home and they're thinking, our our sweet boy are lovely,
Speaker 1: Our sweet boy, he's done it. He's he's finally made it.
Speaker 1: And and you're secretly at college eating the Devil's the
Speaker 1: Devil's topic. You know, you're just you're just dipping biscuits
Speaker 1: and the Devil's juice, and and unbeknownst to your mother,
Speaker 1: who then takes you to cracker Barrel, which already is
Speaker 1: a problematic position for her to take if she's worried
Speaker 1: about you. Loves cracker barrel to hey, quite gravy. It
Speaker 1: loves crackle Barrel. Like there's a picture of us. It's
Speaker 1: on I G somewhere. We're in rocking chairs waiting till
Speaker 1: like going the cracker barrel, like we my grandmother loves
Speaker 1: cracker barrel. Like when they like came out like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's some racist issues. We stopped going for like maybe
Speaker 1: a year, like maybe we stopped going and then ninety
Speaker 1: nine we went right back. She took a quick respite,
Speaker 1: just a little break in in the midst of the
Speaker 1: developing Willennium. She said, I'll step back, I'll give this
Speaker 1: a second, but then I'll come back to Cracker Barrel
Speaker 1: because I can't get enough of it once. Jesse Jackson
Speaker 1: got everything straight at Cracker Barrel. But but the more
Speaker 1: beautiful thing is she takes you to to what could
Speaker 1: one could argue is maybe one of the whitest restaurants
Speaker 1: that exists, certainly in the South, and then gets angry
Speaker 1: at you. It feels betrayed by you, even when she
Speaker 1: realizes that you have now subscribed to some of the
Speaker 1: white dishes that this white restaurant searchs with cracker in
Speaker 1: the name Cracker Barrel. Yeah, okay, So so she says
Speaker 1: this to you. She goes, you know you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be eating that. You're your sisters as you know
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be eating that. What do you
Speaker 1: then do? Do you then spit it out of your
Speaker 1: mouth and you say I'll never do this again, or
Speaker 1: you do do you stand up for your right to
Speaker 1: eat this white gravy. I just stand up for for
Speaker 1: the fact that it just seemed ridiculous. Sure, you know,
Speaker 1: I just was like, we eat sausage. You're cool with sausage.
Speaker 1: You're cool with sausage patties links. However, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: when it'send a gravy, it's it's a problem. What do
Speaker 1: you think it is? What? What do you think triggers
Speaker 1: triggers her so much that makes the white gravy so offensive.
Speaker 1: I think that my mom is is a New Yorker,
Speaker 1: and so she she was a transplant to the South,
Speaker 1: and I think she associates white gravy with the old
Speaker 1: South h old. That's now. That is a very astute observation,
Speaker 1: because I'll be honest, not having spent much time in
Speaker 1: the South at all, I growing up had no I
Speaker 1: wasn't even aware of white gravy. White gravy isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: a common thing where I'm from, certainly not in like
Speaker 1: the major cities of like the North and Midwest. Like
Speaker 1: that's not we ain't fucking around in white gravy, all
Speaker 1: our gravy dark skin where I'm from. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And it certainly ain't as much of a
Speaker 1: breakfast thing as it is, like, uh, gravies for for
Speaker 1: big old hearty meals that ain't breakfast for sure. And
Speaker 1: I and in my travels, I have learned that people
Speaker 1: outside of the South don't know how to do like gravy.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's one of those things where you
Speaker 1: know if if you get the wrong white gravy, it
Speaker 1: will turn you out forever. You're like, I'm never putting
Speaker 1: that google ever again. It's not sweet, and it's not
Speaker 1: it's not good. Yeah, So it's it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where you gotta have the right white gravy in
Speaker 1: order to really appreciate it. I have a theory that
Speaker 1: no matter where you're from, everyone loves their trash. I
Speaker 1: like this, I like your head. Okay. So you know,
Speaker 1: like like you'll meet someone they'll be from a place
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, well, you had to grow up
Speaker 1: with it. You had you know. You you go to Nebraska,
Speaker 1: they're like, you ever had a runsa And it's like
Speaker 1: the sandwich it's got onions. It's kind of like the
Speaker 1: bread is fried and everything will tear your stomach up
Speaker 1: if you didn't grow up with it. But it's great,
Speaker 1: you know, like Philly cheese steaks, like you know, like
Speaker 1: Mexican food out here, like you know, like everybody has
Speaker 1: their food that you know you shouldn't be eating, but
Speaker 1: because you have nostalgia for it, you love it. Where
Speaker 1: I where I'm from, Uh, we used to be able
Speaker 1: to go to a corner store by a bag of
Speaker 1: flaming hots, and then you could get the dude in
Speaker 1: the back to put some like meat and some nacho
Speaker 1: cheese on top of the flaming hots in the bag,
Speaker 1: so it would just be like a pocket of of
Speaker 1: nacho flaming hots and you eat it with a fork.
Speaker 1: And that ship you used to fucking bang, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like as person, Yeah, I fu but
Speaker 1: I loved it, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 1: would die for that ship, and I would defend I
Speaker 1: would defend my house and home in honor of a
Speaker 1: bag of flaming hots covered in nacho cheese and and
Speaker 1: unproofed meat, you know what I mean. But now, if
Speaker 1: if talking to a person who obviously didn't grow up
Speaker 1: with that experience, I fully respect that. You go, hey, dog,
Speaker 1: don't do that no more. Yeah. No, if I saw
Speaker 1: that at eight, I'm like, I'm game, yeah, you know, No,
Speaker 1: in my thirties, I'm like that that's a bag of
Speaker 1: flame and hats might take me out now. But you know,
Speaker 1: like like in the middle of the country, they have
Speaker 1: covers a place that will sell you cheese curds and
Speaker 1: a milk shade, and it's like that should be illegal.
Speaker 1: That's not that literally is is just selling a cork
Speaker 1: for your anis, Like, it's not. You might as well
Speaker 1: just cork your anis directly and just call it that.
Speaker 1: But I did a school in Wisconsin and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to come to Colvis again.
Speaker 1: So I like their ice cream. I like the cheese curves.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to do them both. Have sense. I respect.
Speaker 1: I respect that you took that risk. People love Whitecastle,
Speaker 1: you know, I love white Castle, right like people who
Speaker 1: grew up around Whitecastle love white Castle. My father's from Louisville, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: the big white Castle town, White Castle. White white Castle
Speaker 1: is huge and little, Like that's what a sad statement
Speaker 1: to stay about anywhere that somebody lives to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a big white castle. Then, like the judgment and
Speaker 1: and just shipping on them without saying it directly that
Speaker 1: you're doing by calling them a big white castle town
Speaker 1: is chef's kiss, you know. But so I know that
Speaker 1: love for Whitecastle. But then when I got to New York,
Speaker 1: it was like, Oh, these people never had good white Castle,
Speaker 1: so they don't expect it, so they're not making it like, oh,
Speaker 1: white Castle could be good, you know, like there's a
Speaker 1: difference between Ohio white Castle and New York Brooklyn, you know,
Speaker 1: Bushwick Whitecastle. Yes, when when we were and you and
Speaker 1: I were in New York around the same sort of
Speaker 1: like era. When we were in New York, there were
Speaker 1: like two white castles that I at least was aware of.
Speaker 1: There are three. There were two. There was one in
Speaker 1: bed Sty, there was one in bush Twik across from
Speaker 1: Legion Bar where that open mic was, and then finally
Speaker 1: there was one in the Bronx. Now it was Harlem
Speaker 1: up like when you were trying to go to the airport,
Speaker 1: you could like get off on like one of the
Speaker 1: Harlem stops and then be at a white Castle and
Speaker 1: then catch the bus to get to the airport. All
Speaker 1: of those places. While I did eat at all three
Speaker 1: of those locations and listen. I'm a fan. I'm a
Speaker 1: fan first, I'm a fan always White Castle. If you
Speaker 1: want to do an endorsement with me, goddamn it, I'll
Speaker 1: take the minimum. I'm just a fan of your workfellas,
Speaker 1: Mr Castle. I I love what you do. That said,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. They're not putting the same effort
Speaker 1: care love into them little ass burgers and onions that
Speaker 1: you would find in a state that prides itself on good.
Speaker 1: White Castle. Nashville, the furthest South White Castle goes. So
Speaker 1: you know, like so on the way to Little go
Speaker 1: go through Nashville, that's the first time you can get
Speaker 1: the White Castle. That's especially they got crystals and White Castle.
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, that's like that that meme with the
Speaker 1: Crip and the blood tied their flags together, That's what
Speaker 1: that is for sure for sure. So yeah, but I
Speaker 1: when I got to Brooklyn, I'm like, there's a White
Speaker 1: Castle walking distance from my house. I'm gonna go there.
Speaker 1: And then I mean it just I just felt the
Speaker 1: like disbelief and like, you know, you could see everything
Speaker 1: that's going on in the back and I could just
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, these people they don't believe in good
Speaker 1: fast food. That I can't make good fast food because
Speaker 1: they don't believe in good fast food. No, they think
Speaker 1: they're better than this and therefore can't make the product
Speaker 1: that it deserves to be. M you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's no different frankly than fucking drugs, right
Speaker 1: that Like, at the end of the day, there is
Speaker 1: a different between like shit heroin and great heroin, and
Speaker 1: and it's neither one of them is good for you,
Speaker 1: but you want the good heroine. And at least the
Speaker 1: Midwest and the South when it comes to fast food
Speaker 1: and some of the other less coveted things, they at
Speaker 1: least take the time to make the good version of
Speaker 1: the bad thing, if that makes But see they don't
Speaker 1: have corner stores. In New York. They got corner stores.
Speaker 1: They'll make a sandwich next to where you buying random groceries,
Speaker 1: and that's acceptable. But you know, in the South, if
Speaker 1: you get a hot dog next to you know where
Speaker 1: you buy a lottery tickets and highly frowned upon. Okay,
Speaker 1: So where do you stand now in the white gravy conversation?
Speaker 1: Are you still a white gravy advocate? Have you backed
Speaker 1: off of your white gravy beliefs. Where where do you
Speaker 1: live in this whole? Okay, I treat white gravy like
Speaker 1: how like liberal with conservative parents treat their views like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bring white gravy home for the holiday,
Speaker 1: you know, but on my own time, i might sneak
Speaker 1: and have some white gravy while I'm in the South. Yeah, damn, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about it. I'm not gonna be like,
Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, I had some biscuits, you know,
Speaker 1: and then open the whole conversation of oh did you
Speaker 1: put on your biscuits. I'm not gonna You're not You're
Speaker 1: not coming home, and like taking a big stance where
Speaker 1: you're like, mom, I'm a white gravy man, fucking yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I'm thinking this except me for
Speaker 1: who I am. I'm not gonna ruin Christmas. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do that. That's fair and honestly that that to
Speaker 1: me feels like the more reasonable approach to something that
Speaker 1: makes your family uncomfortable, like even politically socially gravely, I
Speaker 1: think you had some point just have to go this
Speaker 1: is for me, it's not for them. And as long
Speaker 1: as I am not hurting them and they are not
Speaker 1: hurting me. We can live with these things separately. They
Speaker 1: don't have to accept every element of who I am
Speaker 1: in order for us to be able to function and
Speaker 1: enjoy each other. That's real, that's real. I think. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to make it. If I knew
Speaker 1: how to make white gravy, it might be like another story,
Speaker 1: because then I could I could just whip some up
Speaker 1: in the kitchen and just really drive everybody crazy. But
Speaker 1: because I don't know how to make it, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's another thing. Do you do you think your mom
Speaker 1: has ever had white gravy? Is this like a green
Speaker 1: eggs in Ham type situation? It might be. It might
Speaker 1: be a green eggs and Ham sprinkled with a little
Speaker 1: you know, civil rights movement, yeah, and yeah, slavery and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But but green eggs and Ham, I'm sure in in
Speaker 1: the Dr. Seuss universe, green Eggs and Ham comes from
Speaker 1: a dark history of of abuse and fucking, you know, genocide.
Speaker 1: There's probably genocide behind the green eggs in hand. That
Speaker 1: Sam I Am character. He had a much more complicated
Speaker 1: stance than the book I think leads us to believe
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, no, there's a reason why they're making
Speaker 1: people try green eggs. Yeah, there's a you know, like
Speaker 1: like food is scarce, Yes, food is scarce. These green
Speaker 1: eggs are all we have left, and they come from
Speaker 1: a terribly dark history. But you know, you gotta try him, apparently,
Speaker 1: and honestly, that's how they get you, because they they
Speaker 1: trick you into submitting to what's left and the what's
Speaker 1: left cause it's it comes from pain, it comes from tragedy,
Speaker 1: it comes from hurt. That you can't uncook, that you
Speaker 1: can't unboil or scramble if you will in a box. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this question. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: your mother or your family in general have other sort
Speaker 1: of like foods that they associate with, like specifically white people,
Speaker 1: that they would be equally sort of flabbergasted by you
Speaker 1: choosing to to like eat or introduced to the family.
Speaker 1: M M, I don't know. I can't think of another
Speaker 1: another instance. I'm trying to think of other foods. This
Speaker 1: is the one I've this. My my family is really
Speaker 1: like that's the thing. We're like, we're we're not that family,
Speaker 1: Like we're not that like my mom makes cast roles
Speaker 1: like like of all the people in the world, like
Speaker 1: this is where she draws the line. But you know
Speaker 1: she's she's flirting with some some some stereotypes that that
Speaker 1: are not with black people, like makes Green being Cassero sometimes. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never had that from a black person. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I never understand spinach cast role. It's like, what, like,
Speaker 1: all castle rolls to me are the same. They just
Speaker 1: take a vegetable and then make it worse. It looks nice,
Speaker 1: it looks nice, but it's like, I'd rather just have
Speaker 1: this vegetable by itself. It's probably better. I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up with casse roles. I don't know a lot about them.
Speaker 1: I did really like uh and granted, and this is
Speaker 1: worth noting, I have a very shitty palette, right, Like
Speaker 1: my taste buds don't work well. I'll pretty much eat anything.
Speaker 1: I am not a particularly picky person nor a particularly
Speaker 1: discerning person, and when it comes to the food that
Speaker 1: I'll put in my mouth. But I did genuinely love
Speaker 1: like Tuna Helper, and I feel like Tuna Helper was
Speaker 1: as close to a casse role as my family could
Speaker 1: find itself. You know what, I mean, it's essentially casserole.
Speaker 1: It's just now in a box. And most people would
Speaker 1: be like, you should kill yourself for eating that, and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, as long as I'm buried with some
Speaker 1: tuna casserole, I kill myself right now. Tuna helper, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't what So what is tuna helper? Is it?
Speaker 1: You put it with the tuna or it's its own
Speaker 1: thing now it's it's an offshoot of Hamburger Helper. It
Speaker 1: was Hamburger helper being like we killed the game or
Speaker 1: Hamburger not less funk around in other meats. And then
Speaker 1: they use tuna fish and much in the way that
Speaker 1: you would with with Hamburger helper. You're basically, uh, you're
Speaker 1: mixing their seasonings and pre ingredients with the meat that
Speaker 1: you purchased to create a noodle slash meat casserole to
Speaker 1: serve to unsuspecting victims. Okay, okay, this sounds smelly, It
Speaker 1: sounds like that sound good. But I've definitely had hamburg
Speaker 1: a head. But we definitely grew up with the glove
Speaker 1: for sure. But yeah I didn't, Yeah, I didn't go
Speaker 1: that far into the into the tuna helper. If you're
Speaker 1: not in the Helper multiverse? What are you doing? You know,
Speaker 1: it's truly, it's a it's a delightful male if you
Speaker 1: don't have great standards for what a good meal is.
Speaker 1: M h okay, let me ask you this last question
Speaker 1: that we'll go to break. Do you feel like your
Speaker 1: mother in any way has changed because you're telling me
Speaker 1: this happened when you were in college. This was so
Speaker 1: I assume at least a decade ago that had this
Speaker 1: experience happened. Do you feel like there's any chance that
Speaker 1: your mother has has come around to now appreciate or
Speaker 1: at least respect white gravy differently than she did before.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she knows them on killing because
Speaker 1: I'm around. But other than that, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think my mom will ever ever eat white gray.
Speaker 1: I think it's a rap, you know, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't really know the origin, Like, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: what happened to her. What you know, if she sees
Speaker 1: white's only when she sees the gravy getting put on
Speaker 1: the plate or what. But yeah, I just if there
Speaker 1: was some kind of paper bag test or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just yeah, I do like to imagine your
Speaker 1: mother as a young child, dining somewhere with with her family,
Speaker 1: and then uh, a mean white man walks into a
Speaker 1: restaurant and and splashes her in the face with a
Speaker 1: couple of hot gravy, hot white gravy, and that just
Speaker 1: it marred her, had scarred her and left her with
Speaker 1: this bad taste in her mouth that she'll never be
Speaker 1: able to recover from. And then you, her beautiful baby boy,
Speaker 1: does the most uh, I guess offensive thing that you
Speaker 1: could have done by by eating the poison right in
Speaker 1: front of her. Damn, that's that's sad. I gotta ask,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask her. You gotta get my mom on
Speaker 1: the phone. Yeah, just as her. Did you get splashed
Speaker 1: with white gravy? Is that why we listen to so
Speaker 1: much Al Green growing up, because you can relate he
Speaker 1: got splash. Grits is probably far worst than gravy. You know,
Speaker 1: I think instand this, I think how Green will tell
Speaker 1: you first hand, it's way worse. All Right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be back with more Rob Hayes
Speaker 1: and more. My mama told me, and we are bad.
Speaker 1: My man is supposed to meet with this ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're back here with more robes more. My mama told me,
Speaker 1: we're still talking about that infamous white gravy and whether
Speaker 1: or not it is in fact the work of the
Speaker 1: white devil, whether the white man is the true owner
Speaker 1: of white gravy, and if us, the black people, the
Speaker 1: people of color in the world are are meant to
Speaker 1: strictly stay on the colored gravy side of the line.
Speaker 1: That's that's the conversation at hands. Do you think that
Speaker 1: that are other races struggling with this same conversation, I said,
Speaker 1: people of color, But I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: like our you know what I mean? Are they're brown
Speaker 1: people wondering if they they too need to avoid white
Speaker 1: gravy because of the white man's influence. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a black white thing. I think I think it's
Speaker 1: a poc white thing. I think I think people of
Speaker 1: color it's supposed to have brown gravy and and and
Speaker 1: white gravy is is purely for white people. That's that's
Speaker 1: pretty funked up. I say that that people of color
Speaker 1: all get lumped into a single gravy, or at least
Speaker 1: the darker gravvies, and white people just get to hold
Speaker 1: onto an entire you know what I mean, They got
Speaker 1: a whole little sector to themselves. It's not one gravy,
Speaker 1: but it's it's one color. So you know, like the
Speaker 1: gravy they put on a fool young at the at
Speaker 1: the Chinese restaurant looks like so food gravy that you
Speaker 1: put on stuffing looks like you know, like like all
Speaker 1: the all the poc gravy looks the same. The only
Speaker 1: gravy that doesn't look the same, it's sausage gravy. White gravy.
Speaker 1: Goddamn it. Okay, Well, I did some research that I
Speaker 1: would love to unpack with you, and I think I
Speaker 1: hope that there's some of this that might be a
Speaker 1: little illuminating for both of us, and I I I
Speaker 1: encourage you to refute and discuss as much as you wish,
Speaker 1: because some of this, I don't know is necessarily hugely
Speaker 1: even on topic to what you you've introduced. But I
Speaker 1: do think introduces a bunch of interesting conversations. So it's
Speaker 1: a pretty hard topic to look up via Google search,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's not it's not an
Speaker 1: easily google ble thing. Were I typed in do black
Speaker 1: people like white gravy, and then it just ended up
Speaker 1: being like a bunch of fatass Southern people saying very
Speaker 1: jarring things about how much they like putting gravy on
Speaker 1: everything they eat, like everything, like there was people talking
Speaker 1: about At one point somebody said they they consider gravy
Speaker 1: more of a beverage than a topic. That's scary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's scary. I didn't care for it at all. I've
Speaker 1: I had, I felt sick. I had to walk away,
Speaker 1: and then I came back. Not new, but but different
Speaker 1: for George, because once cools, it's it's a different thing.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, and if it can jeels and starts to separate,
Speaker 1: but somebody's drinking it anyway. There does seem to be
Speaker 1: and this this starts to get into some of the
Speaker 1: the history of this whole white gravy thing. There does
Speaker 1: seem to be an actual origin of sausage gravy, which
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. There they they've traced the actual origin
Speaker 1: of sausage grave feed to southern Appalachia in the late
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred Civil War time, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Right around them Civil War times, whities came up with
Speaker 1: white gravy that's interesting. Yeah, it was originally apparently called
Speaker 1: sawmill gravy because it was cheap and calorie dance and
Speaker 1: an easy go to meal to feed the sawmill workers
Speaker 1: of the area. Particularly they would be, you know, having
Speaker 1: to spend all day carrying this lumber and and doing
Speaker 1: all this ship to to make sure that black people
Speaker 1: uh stayed I guess as property, and you know, they
Speaker 1: had to be fed. And so an easy way to
Speaker 1: feed them was with with thick ass bread and an
Speaker 1: an additional like topping of gravy which was easy to
Speaker 1: make and it would fill them up for the day.
Speaker 1: Remind me what is the sawmill? Uh? Sawmill, I believe
Speaker 1: refers to basically just the lumber, Like that's where they
Speaker 1: make lumber and saw it turn it into other ship
Speaker 1: got to plantation wood. Hell yeah, I also could be
Speaker 1: very wrong. Rock. I am what's known as almost smart.
Speaker 1: I don't actually know some stuff, and I just talk
Speaker 1: in a way that makes me seem like I might
Speaker 1: actually know what I'm talking. You know, I always I
Speaker 1: always default to you when I'm around Lakes, and it's
Speaker 1: always like, all right when Lakes is a smart guy,
Speaker 1: No man, he says, it's fact I say a lot
Speaker 1: of stupid stuff. I come to the argument the other
Speaker 1: day with with a few friends because I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that babies are born in a sack, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, we were having an argument where
Speaker 1: where it was suggested that some babies can come out
Speaker 1: in the sack that's inside the mother's womb, and I
Speaker 1: I was very defiant. I said, no, there is no sack.
Speaker 1: The womb is the sack. What the funk are you
Speaker 1: all talking about? And then we looked it up and
Speaker 1: there is, in fact a sack that's connected to the
Speaker 1: placenta that sort of is what the baby lives in.
Speaker 1: And it's true some babies do come out in the sack.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where serial killers come from. That's
Speaker 1: what the stork is holding onto the baby. Said, so
Speaker 1: that's a that's a real fun image. If if you
Speaker 1: look up babysack, you're not gonna like that bit in
Speaker 1: your head anymore. I'm not gonna look up baby seck
Speaker 1: right now, just because of what else might pop up,
Speaker 1: but my own dark mode. I might look up baby stead.
Speaker 1: You look up babysack, you're going to jail. Playboy, So
Speaker 1: one of the more fascinating parts of all of this
Speaker 1: that that I didn't realize is that the gravy seems
Speaker 1: to have not been only a function of adding calorie
Speaker 1: used to a meal, but it also seems to have
Speaker 1: been a way of softening the very thick bread of
Speaker 1: this time, because apparently the first biscuits of America, the
Speaker 1: first biscuits that were being made at this time, were
Speaker 1: much denser and sturdier than the biscuits that we find
Speaker 1: in a restaurant today. They were thick, like dumb thick
Speaker 1: mm hmmm. So so Popaye is is keeping it like,
Speaker 1: oh Gene, Yeah, Popeye's is like, win't we ain't changed
Speaker 1: the game once? Yeah, Popeye is taking it back to
Speaker 1: the sawmill and like, if this was good enough to
Speaker 1: feed the sawmill boys, this is good enough to feed
Speaker 1: your black ass mm hmmm mm hmmm. Enjoy our thick biscuits.
Speaker 1: So these biscuits that I'm referring to were originally known
Speaker 1: as beaten biscuits, right, beaten biscuits, because they got their
Speaker 1: leavening from being vigorously beaten and fall olded. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: would take an entire hour just to be able to
Speaker 1: beat the dough into something usable to be able to
Speaker 1: turn into biscuits. So it required a ship ton of labor.
Speaker 1: And you guessed it, Rob, Who do you think was
Speaker 1: responsible for doing that super taxing labor? The pills very
Speaker 1: dough boy, oh boy, very different colored pills, very dough boy.
Speaker 1: They didn't the boy. But it wasn't It wasn't the pills, Mary,
Speaker 1: It's it was slaves. Slaves Thias were responsible for this
Speaker 1: very physical labor and they were the ones that were
Speaker 1: making these beaten biscuits. Now here's where it gets even crazier,
Speaker 1: because these beaten biscuits are being made by slaves, than
Speaker 1: the Civil War happens. Then the thirteenth Amendment kicks in
Speaker 1: and it's no longer reasonable right to keep slaves. Are
Speaker 1: very upset about that. And then white people basically say that,
Speaker 1: and this is a a real thing that was quoted
Speaker 1: from some book that some very smart person wrote about this,
Speaker 1: but that basically white people took the stance that it
Speaker 1: had come to be viewed as too burdensome to keep
Speaker 1: making biscuits. They were like, fuck this, it's it's too
Speaker 1: much more. I don't even want to do this ship
Speaker 1: because of how sucky the labor was Wow. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: then what happened to biscuits? Great questions. So in eighteen
Speaker 1: seventy seven, a machine was invented for doing the work
Speaker 1: that would have had to been done by black people.
Speaker 1: They basically turned they found a cotton gin if you will,
Speaker 1: to help leavin this bread. And it turned out that
Speaker 1: it actually made And this is again a white person
Speaker 1: talking about their own invention but saying it's saved beaten
Speaker 1: biscuits from extinction, but actually made them smoother, prettier, and
Speaker 1: more popular than before. I mean, biscuits gotta be good
Speaker 1: for to only take like ten years before somebody's like,
Speaker 1: we gotta invent to like make this easier, Like we
Speaker 1: gotta do something because this is you know, the slaves
Speaker 1: are free, they're reconstruction. They in Congress. Now we gotta
Speaker 1: do something to get these biscuits back. Pop, My mom
Speaker 1: shouldn't be mad at the gravy, she should be mad
Speaker 1: at the biscuits. Yeah. I think the biscuits made things
Speaker 1: a lot pretty complicated because the gravy really was just
Speaker 1: a response to a need that was being presented. I
Speaker 1: do love, though, the idea that there was somebody like
Speaker 1: you're saying, uh, sitting back and thinking to themselves. You
Speaker 1: know what, man, I don't even really miss slavery that much,
Speaker 1: but goddamn I missed them biscuits, miss biscuits, man made
Speaker 1: good biscuits. I want my biscuits back. And they built
Speaker 1: a machine to try to to solve this problem. So
Speaker 1: they invent this machine, right, and it it starts to
Speaker 1: make me question. It introduces a question in my mind.
Speaker 1: And I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, because
Speaker 1: to me, the question this whole John Henry machine versus
Speaker 1: man thing that's happening where they go. The machine finally
Speaker 1: could do the thing that no man up to that
Speaker 1: point was able to do. I don't buy that ship.
Speaker 1: A part of me starts to believe, rob that maybe
Speaker 1: these slaves were intentionally leaving those beaten big biscuits extra thick,
Speaker 1: with the hopes that their oppressors might choke to death
Speaker 1: and then they could escape to freedom before they were
Speaker 1: supposed to. If you will, oh, and you think that
Speaker 1: they will be saved by the white gravy, yes, or
Speaker 1: or not saved, but certainly uh kept in chains even longer. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm saying the like the white people were supposed to
Speaker 1: choke on the biscuits, but the white gravy came in
Speaker 1: and and fuck up the game. Save the oppressive. Yeah, exactly. Damn.
Speaker 1: Your mom might be onto something. He's onto something. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's devastating. If I was so hungry in the first
Speaker 1: half of his podcast, I was gonna like go get
Speaker 1: some like I was gonna go to the store and
Speaker 1: get some biscuits and make some biscuits. And now I'm
Speaker 1: not that's fair. Now, Now you gotta do the right thing.
Speaker 1: I gotta do the right thing. I had so many
Speaker 1: cards ahead of me before, Like before you told me
Speaker 1: about the history of this bis what's this biscuit machine code?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't. I didn't take the care
Speaker 1: to look up the biscuit magic biscuits. But apparently I'm
Speaker 1: off built a biscuit machine and and we we benefited
Speaker 1: from it somehow. One of the things that that I
Speaker 1: didn't because I, again I didn't know anything about white
Speaker 1: gravy before this. Really I've never I've had it. I
Speaker 1: ain't really that big of a fan, but I certainly
Speaker 1: didn't grow up on the ship. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that that sort of came to my mind, is
Speaker 1: what's the difference? Right, Like, why is white gravy such
Speaker 1: a big deal? And part of the reason, and this
Speaker 1: to me was a really illuminating part of all of
Speaker 1: this research, is that the birth of white gravy was
Speaker 1: largely a function of poverty. So in order to make
Speaker 1: the white gravy, all you needed was the the sort
Speaker 1: of drippings from a sausage pan, flour, milk or water like.
Speaker 1: It was very basic ingredients that were at that point
Speaker 1: easy to come by, especially in the heart of wartimes, right,
Speaker 1: And so they created this white gravy, not because it
Speaker 1: was the best tasting version of what gravy could be,
Speaker 1: but because it was simple, it was functional, it could
Speaker 1: last a long time, and it could stretch the ship
Speaker 1: out of a meal. And so in a beautiful way,
Speaker 1: it sort of feels like a metaphor for the way
Speaker 1: that white citizens position themselves in America. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Okay, because it's poverty, but it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we not, We're not they pulling themselves up by the
Speaker 1: sausage strap. Yeah, I think I think, yes, if the
Speaker 1: sazage straps is is sort of what I'm going for
Speaker 1: I think in a way it's them being like, yeo,
Speaker 1: we still continue to take pride because now white gravy
Speaker 1: is a point of pride in the South right. It
Speaker 1: is a thing that white citizens will advocate for and
Speaker 1: fight for. I read all these these different comments online
Speaker 1: where people were like, white gravy is it has to
Speaker 1: be made this way. It's a it's a Southern staple.
Speaker 1: It cannot be you know, ruined or or or treated poorly,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And I think they have learned been
Speaker 1: trained to create pride where pride should not exist. That
Speaker 1: this should not be a thing that you're celebrating. It
Speaker 1: should be a thing that you look back and go, yo,
Speaker 1: we were being mistreated by our country. We're sitting here,
Speaker 1: and we're sitting here and going this is America white graving.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, America was treating you like ship doc. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But not only that, it's also saying like, hey, look
Speaker 1: where we came from. We came from this. Meanwhile, you
Speaker 1: had slaves making the biscuits they are you are. You
Speaker 1: are taking pride in something that you didn't truly create,
Speaker 1: and then the thing that you did create was mostly
Speaker 1: created because of a limited amount of resources provided to
Speaker 1: you by the thing you take the most pride in.
Speaker 1: It's all a sick game that's sort of being, you know,
Speaker 1: played on poor white people. And I think the white
Speaker 1: gravy is a perfect reflection of that. I didn't know
Speaker 1: who's gonna get this deep, yeah, dog around on this podcast.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who's gonna get this deep. Man. I
Speaker 1: should have known when I signed the release. I've never
Speaker 1: signed a release four podcasts before. This is amazing, man.
Speaker 1: This is like is Gates type of stuff, but about
Speaker 1: Gravey that Nigga Henry Lewis Gates wishes he could talk
Speaker 1: about gravy. You can talk about Nazis grandfather all you want, Henry.
Speaker 1: We gotta get into the real ship, which is gravy.
Speaker 1: This is I I do genuinely believe that that the
Speaker 1: white gravy, while polarizing, does feel like this really important
Speaker 1: metaphor because and then this is also where it was
Speaker 1: a very illuminating moment for me, because I didn't realize
Speaker 1: this that apparently at the time, butter into syrup were
Speaker 1: far more difficult to come by in the South, and
Speaker 1: and for specifically, you know, poor white people. Butter was
Speaker 1: like something you had to really work hard to find.
Speaker 1: And syrup was like crazy hard to find, right, And
Speaker 1: so I grew up. You know, in my world, we
Speaker 1: put jelly and and fucking butter or syrup or whatever
Speaker 1: it is on a biscuit. And for these people, they
Speaker 1: didn't have that resource, and so white gravy becomes the
Speaker 1: other option. I might be converted, man, I might be converted.
Speaker 1: I might not ever have white gravy again. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel bad. I feels like crazy. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: your mother, your mother, she sat you down, she tried
Speaker 1: to talk to you, and something in your head and
Speaker 1: you you let that slip pass, and and you need
Speaker 1: to apologize there. You need to call her and say,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Mom, I was bugging on this whole white
Speaker 1: gravy position. I forgot to mention my mom's a history
Speaker 1: and teacher. Uh so, yeah, she kind of knew ahead
Speaker 1: of time already, know she knowing the machines called and everything. Man,
Speaker 1: like everybody's listening. Call your mom, man, for real, I
Speaker 1: love that you're like. I forgot to mention my mom
Speaker 1: specifically studied the biscuit machine. She went she got a
Speaker 1: master's degree in biscuit machine of the thesis was biscuit. Ma, goddamn, Well,
Speaker 1: we learned a lot and we're gonna take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more ribs. And my mama told me,
Speaker 1: and we are back. Yeah, we're back here with more
Speaker 1: robbyes more. My mama told me. We're still talking about
Speaker 1: that devil mix white gravy, the poison that is a
Speaker 1: perfect metaphor for the evil that white people have have
Speaker 1: continuously bought into in this country, in America. Goddammit, Robbed,
Speaker 1: where are you? How are you feeling right now? Where
Speaker 1: are you? Where are you with all of this? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I came into this podcast thinking that I
Speaker 1: broke the color line, thinking that I was the Jackie
Speaker 1: Robinson of white gravy, And now I know that I
Speaker 1: am a trated I am my uncle Tom, damn, you know.
Speaker 1: And what they were eating in his cabin was biscuits
Speaker 1: and white gray fuck. You know what it's. It's I'll
Speaker 1: say that it's hard to hear. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say to you, so I'll just do this. I
Speaker 1: hope that's at least a little bit of thoughtlas for
Speaker 1: you to be able to walk home with. I don't
Speaker 1: know this is hard to it's hard to see. I mean,
Speaker 1: I am home, but I'm gonna have to walk around
Speaker 1: the black It's a lot. Oh man. Okay, if if
Speaker 1: you can find the strength, I'd love to play a game.
Speaker 1: Let's play a game, Okay, shall we? This is This
Speaker 1: is a fun game. It's a classic game on the show.
Speaker 1: It's a really fun game. Let me find my drop.
Speaker 1: It's a game called Homemade Hotep. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: fun game where Rob. I'm going to introduce to you
Speaker 1: a very real fact out in the world, a objective,
Speaker 1: relatively object active fact out in the world. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go so bold as to say anything subjective anymore,
Speaker 1: but a pretty objective fact out in the world. And
Speaker 1: what I would love for you to do, Rob, is
Speaker 1: put on your hotep hat and just just hotep the
Speaker 1: ship out of this fact. Really get into the nooks
Speaker 1: and crannies, the secrets, the mischief, all the all the
Speaker 1: ship that might be hidden underneath this supposedly real fact.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? That makes all the sense in
Speaker 1: the world. Hell yeah, this is a fun one. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to share this one with you. But apparently it
Speaker 1: is very true that during a renovation of his final
Speaker 1: home in there were apparently a dozen bodies found in
Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin's basement. That Benjamin Franklin, uh man, who's on
Speaker 1: a hundred dollar bill. A lot of people mistake him
Speaker 1: for having been a president of the United States. He wasn't.
Speaker 1: He just is on our money sometimes apparently had a
Speaker 1: dozen bodies hidden in his basement. Robbed go crazy, Okay,
Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin and hundreds of bodies? Does does a dozen
Speaker 1: bodies in this basement? Okay? That I mean that? You know,
Speaker 1: I feel like there's an easy route you could already
Speaker 1: go of who of who those people are? One thing
Speaker 1: you gotta know about Benjamin Franklin is that. See Benjamin
Speaker 1: Franklin started a newspaper right he was a child, and
Speaker 1: the newspaper was anti British. Him and his family had
Speaker 1: to Fleet Town, go to another town he started another newspaper.
Speaker 1: So he was an entrepreneur, just like did he when
Speaker 1: he was he was an entrepreneur. He had to go
Speaker 1: to Howard, back to Harlem. Did he made all about
Speaker 1: the Benjamin? Oh, where's total? Where's where's loon? Where's shine?
Speaker 1: Did he had to climb on a lot of of
Speaker 1: of black people. In order to get to prominent. Whoa
Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin had to do the same. He had a loon,
Speaker 1: he had a shine, he had a total, he had
Speaker 1: a faith. He had a baby that was bad. So
Speaker 1: so you're telling me that in essence, Benjamin Franklin has
Speaker 1: has his bab's buddy hiding in the basement, locked up
Speaker 1: in the basement that he had to bury in order
Speaker 1: to meet his greater success. He had to he had
Speaker 1: to close down things from time to time. He had
Speaker 1: a diadline, He had a chapel. He had a friend,
Speaker 1: he had a nest, he had a bands, he had
Speaker 1: a Sarah, he had a Sarah's husband. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He was making a band. Benjamin Franklin was
Speaker 1: making a band and he had to shut it down,
Speaker 1: and that meant locking the door, and you know, nobody
Speaker 1: could get out. Nobody could get out. Damn. This is
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to do the challenges. They didn't
Speaker 1: want to buckle his shoes. They didn't want to they
Speaker 1: didn't want to walk, you know, walk to the peach tree.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to pick up the cheesecake with the
Speaker 1: with the kite and the key on it. M hmmmm,
Speaker 1: walk outside with this kite in this key if you
Speaker 1: want to be in the Benjamin Franklin band. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: was the Benjamin frank around seventeen hundreds? Yeah that the
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds of DeLine didn't want to do that. I
Speaker 1: love that. God damn it. That's cool. Motherfucking books. That
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I I think I think you nailed it.
Speaker 1: You know what I love about it is that it
Speaker 1: reminds us that the same games continue to be played
Speaker 1: to this day. Maybe not an insane you know, Benjamin
Speaker 1: Franklin apparently could get away with murder in a way
Speaker 1: that you and I and maybe even did he cannot
Speaker 1: do today, But did he can get away with a
Speaker 1: type of murderer of people's career, a type of stepping
Speaker 1: on the shoulders of the people in front of him.
Speaker 1: And that's all capitalism is, to some extent, is we're
Speaker 1: all just figuring out a way to take advantage of
Speaker 1: a person for the sake of our own successes and games.
Speaker 1: That's deep, man, You really spit some bars today, Rob.
Speaker 1: I think we did it. I think I think we
Speaker 1: nailed the whole episode. Could you tell the people at
Speaker 1: home where they can find you and what cool stuff
Speaker 1: you have going on. Sure, um, you can find me
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Rob Hayes r O b HS. You
Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter at Robert is the Man.
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