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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: and thirty. Today in the show, Spencer new Art and

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Speaker 1: I are breaking down the top trends, environmental factors, and

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Speaker 1: observations from the past hunting season that might help us

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Speaker 1: as we move into the new year. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X.

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Speaker 1: I am sitting here today with my pale and Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt producer helper Outer, big bearded, low voiced friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, Spencer new Hearth. We're in Montana and we're

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Speaker 1: getting to do one of these rare in person podcasts

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Speaker 1: which I like to do. So thank you Spencer for

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Speaker 1: making time to do it. I was expecting you to

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Speaker 1: say something like you're welcome. You know that you're welcome

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Speaker 1: to have UM. So here's what I want to do today.

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Speaker 1: It is now, we're in the new year, and we

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Speaker 1: just recently wrapped up our two thousand nineteen rut Fresh

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Speaker 1: radio series. As you know, what we do every fall

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Speaker 1: is we check in with hunters every week during the

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Speaker 1: hunting season to hear about the latest trends, the latest conditions,

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Speaker 1: what's happened in the woods that week. So we do

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Speaker 1: this week after week after week. And now what I

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Speaker 1: want us to do is review that review. What trends

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Speaker 1: did we notice? UM? What takeaways? What can we learn

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Speaker 1: from this past season? UM? Are there any things that

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Speaker 1: happened that might impact us in Is there anything that

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Speaker 1: was surprising that is going to influence how we personally

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Speaker 1: hunt next year or how other people might think about things.

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Speaker 1: I want to kind of talk all that, UM. So

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Speaker 1: I know you've kind of thought through some of the

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Speaker 1: main takeaway from twenty nineteen. I've thought through a couple

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Speaker 1: of things, UM. But first I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: why I think this is important because every year, when

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Speaker 1: the new year comes around, I'd like to try to

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Speaker 1: take some time to review what's happened. Because there's this

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Speaker 1: idea floating around, UM, in academic research and kind of

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Speaker 1: or something. There's this ten thousand hours theory. Have you

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Speaker 1: heard of this? Next? Yes, So, there's this this theory

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Speaker 1: that if you spend ten thousand hours on something that

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Speaker 1: will lead you to become an expert at it. But um,

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Speaker 1: that was the popularized kind of sound bite version of it.

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Speaker 1: The actual research and the actual studies that came um

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Speaker 1: it was actually focused more so on deliberate practice. And

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Speaker 1: so it's not just ten thousand hours of doing something

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Speaker 1: will make you an expert's ten tho hours of deliberate

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Speaker 1: practice will lead to you being an expert in something.

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Speaker 1: So you and I and a lot of the guys

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Speaker 1: and girls, we want to become an expert at deer hunting,

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Speaker 1: or at least we want to become a successful deer hunter.

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Speaker 1: So we'll call that being an expert. UM. To have

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Speaker 1: deliberate practice, to do something deliberately, and to achieve that

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Speaker 1: things and a thoughtful approach to learning from them, which

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Speaker 1: better and better. So every time we hunt, we're essentially

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Speaker 1: practicing hunting if we just keep on hunting over and

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Speaker 1: never actually get better. So this is I try to

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Speaker 1: do all year round, and we do this. We talk

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Speaker 1: I think taking an annual approach to it is particularly helpful,

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Speaker 1: and and like it's busy, and you make it through

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Speaker 1: and talk just about your season and my season personally. UM.

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Speaker 1: First off, Spencer, and I'm gonna steal your methodology here

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Speaker 1: from Frustrated. On a scale of one to ten, how

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Speaker 1: I would say like a six. Explain, So I didn't

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Speaker 1: a few different reasons. One of the big ones was planning.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't UM plan things out well enough in

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Speaker 1: didn't plan well enough UM. And then as far as

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Speaker 1: probably the least that I've hunted in four or five years. UM.

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Speaker 1: I was able to kill a few deer no giants. UM.

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Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and do the same exercise myself. UM,

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Speaker 1: and this year you don't kill on your boundary waters

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Speaker 1: You go, that's that's exactly what I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: been really cool, but I kept on falling back on that.

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Speaker 1: I would have felt a little disappointed. It would have

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Speaker 1: been like a bitter sweet thing. If I would have

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Speaker 1: part of me that's like and I don't think I

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a decision that one like yes,

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Speaker 1: stood out that was pretty true across a lot of

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00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: the country at least, was during that peak of typical

432
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 1: writing activity. Right let's say, last to go October through

433
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks or the middle of November,

434
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 1: it was generally cool temperatures across most of the country.

435
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: We didn't have a warm spell in the middle of

436
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: the route like some years you do, and I think

437
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: that made a lot of people happy. There's nothing I

438
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 1: liked less than a four day window from November four

439
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: the ninth. That's like in the seventies. That's I'm sure

440
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 1: some parts of the country are warmer than others, but

441
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: in a lot of the country I knew were generally

442
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: good conditions during that period. Now, let's unpackage it a

443
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: bunch of those little things you mentioned. You talked about

444
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: a lot of things there that I think are worth

445
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: talking about. UM, moisture rain. That was a big thing

446
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: for a lot of people earlier in the season, early

447
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: in the year, sorry, because we got very wet spring, right,

448
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 1: and then what we talked about or what kind of

449
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: happened from there was a lot of farmers across the Midwest,

450
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: across the nation weren't able to get crops in some places.

451
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: I bet you, I don't know. Thirt of the farm

452
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: fields and my neck of the woods maybe weren't planted

453
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: as they typically would have been. UM. And a lot,

454
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: maybe fifty percent weren't planted as soon as they usually are.

455
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: Probably fifty percent went in late, or they put something

456
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 1: in different than they never would have usually. UM. Like

457
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: there was a lot of fields that didn't plant their

458
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 1: typical grain um of corner beans instead put in like

459
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: a winter week late in the summer, that kind of thing,

460
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: which is different. UM. A lot of folks, not a lot,

461
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: but some folks around us plant hemp um something totally

462
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: different than whatever gets planted. UM. That was something you

463
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 1: heard about, talked about a lot throughout the year, right.

464
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: The impact of that many times, I think moisture would

465
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: be like the number one theme from and that also

466
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 1: might mean that that was like the number one factor

467
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: for whether or not you killed this year. Um. It

468
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: came up on almost every interview, and I think it

469
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: affected most hunters across the Midwest and the West, and

470
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: for those reasons that I kind of said, um, all

471
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: of that moisture, it has that effect that when you

472
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: have a super wet spring or summer, that carries over

473
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: all the way into fall. For how deer hunters feel it,

474
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: Like you said, things are gonna get planted and then

475
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: things are coming out super super late. Um. Like I

476
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: said before, a lot of those what you consider the

477
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: best days of the rout um, those first two weeks

478
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: of November, guys were hunting when there's still a lot

479
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: of standing corn up um. And that certainly makes it

480
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: challenging because that running activity can still be taking place,

481
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: just not um in the open where a bow hunter

482
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: could kill a deer. So I think that is like

483
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: the biggest theme of Let's dive a little further into

484
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: what comes out of that. So first let's talk the

485
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: impacts in the spring. So you have a very very

486
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: wet spring like we had this year, like uniquely what

487
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: compared to some of your so much so that a

488
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: lot of farmers conka crops him. So when that happens,

489
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: you have then a very different situation the fall as

490
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: far as available food source and stuff, and then you

491
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: also have possibility of natural forage being better. Maybe right,

492
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: So do we have this is something I really don't

493
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: have an answer to. Um. I feel like I've read

494
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: stuff about this, but I can't point my finger on

495
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: a specific study. Um, but has it been proven or

496
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: is the research that points to UM rain in this? Certainly?

497
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I'm blinking how to say this? Right? There's

498
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: is there a direct connection between antler growth and availability

499
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: of rain or amount of rain in a spring or

500
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: summertime period? That is one of those things that I

501
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: hate when this sort of thing is repeated without somebody

502
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: actually looking into it or knowing. And I'm doing that

503
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: right now, And so I feel kind of guilty for

504
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: like stating that earlier that we had this this moisture

505
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: and so it equated to better antler growth. Um. But

506
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that's a fact. That might be something

507
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: that that deer hunters have in their head. Um. It

508
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: seems it sounds reasonable, it sounds possible, But we see

509
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: nutrition play a factor in other ways with handler growth.

510
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: If there's a super hard winter, um, then then bucks

511
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: are dropping early. So I could see where um, a

512
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: lot of rain and a lot of food available great

513
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: nutrition could lead to that and antler growth and antlers

514
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: are a U. This is a I should be reading

515
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: my research text better more often. Um. But they're like

516
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: a secondary trait or there are secondary importance to deer.

517
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: So basically, resources won't go to antler growth unless the

518
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: basic needs are already met. So if a deer isn't

519
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 1: getting enough protein, enough of all the things that needs

520
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: for its it's for its regular health and functioning, they

521
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: won't be able to vote as much of that nutritional

522
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: and energy needs to antler growth. So deer that has

523
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: all of its needs met with lots of great food,

524
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: that's a deer that's able to put more towards antler growth,

525
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: which which makes sense right. That's why deer and you

526
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: know along the Mississippi River corridor in Iowa and Illinois,

527
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: et cetera, where there's just tremendous soil and food sources

528
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: and all that, that's why these deer grow huge antlers.

529
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is like the most important thing,

530
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: but some people notice. UM, So it would seem reasonable

531
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: to believe that if there's ton lots of rain, that

532
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: could lead to more high quality natural forage, which could

533
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: lead to you know, great nutritional content for with the

534
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: deer eating blah blah blah, at least a better antler growth.

535
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: But on the flip side, in this case, there were

536
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: a whole lot of soybean fields that didn't get planted.

537
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: Soybeans are one of the absolute, very best food sources

538
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: for deer. So I'd be curious to I wonder if

539
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: you could look and see, all right, we had ten

540
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: fewer acres and soybeans this year, what impact that might

541
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 1: have had unavailable food sources. I don't know. I'm just

542
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: spitball in here and thinking, but it's something that would

543
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: be worth looking two further So besides antler growth, assuming

544
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: that's true, that was certainly a pro of all that moisture.

545
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: A con or this could be pro depending on what

546
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: sort of property you haunted, what kind of property you have,

547
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: is how it altered deer patterns. Now, we've seen studies before,

548
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: UM that show how deer respond to floods. If if

549
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: something is flooding, what are those do you gonna do?

550
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: They're gonna leave at some point and then are they

551
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: going to return or not? Um. There was there was

552
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: a great study dawn on I believe it was an

553
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: island on the Mississippi River, and it showed that deer

554
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: are incredibly loyal to their home range, almost to a

555
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: point where it's fatal. They GPS tracked these bucks ranging

556
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: from immature like one and a half year olds up

557
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: to mature five and a half year old and they

558
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: were all super dedicated to that island home range. As

559
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: these waters were rising in the summer to the point

560
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: where it killed a few of these deer that they

561
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: didn't leave in time. Most of them left I think

562
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: was like fifteen out of seventeen or something had left

563
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: while the water was rising, and they already turned by

564
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: the fall when that water receded. UM. But with some

565
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: porsche with some parts of the country, that water never

566
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: did recede. UM. I haunted a property in South Dakota

567
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: that wind underwater in like May or June, and then

568
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: the water is still there right now and it froze

569
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: out with like a few feet of water on top

570
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: of it. So in extreme cases that changed the deer

571
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: movement bad for me, But the neighbors who have high

572
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: ground just pushed those deer over there and they had

573
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: then a better fall, right. So that's that's a big thing.

574
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: With that extreme moisture that we had this spring and summer,

575
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: how it could have changed your season. I definitely experienced

576
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: that in some places too, Like one of my main

577
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: Michigan spots, A lot of areas, like there's just a

578
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: section where my two track usually goes back to the

579
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: back of the farm and you can't take it right

580
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: now because it's still flooded through the whole hunting season.

581
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: Or I know in early October, there a lot of

582
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: spots in Michigan they are super flooded. You know. The

583
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: guys from the hunting public came out to Michigan and

584
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the spots they were trying to hunt

585
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: north of me, Uh, we're super duper flooded. That totally

586
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: changed what they had to do. Um shooting. When we

587
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: did a week later, we were doing some public plan

588
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: hunting for Field of Work program, we experienced that in

589
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: some places. So yeah, it impacts people. Um. Now let's

590
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: look at another pattern change with that, which would be

591
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: back to when when crops came in or out. Um,

592
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: you had another feast or family situation where you might

593
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: typically have a crop field on a property you can hunt.

594
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: What happens when they don't plan anything this year? What

595
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: happens when the great big food source on your lease

596
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: or the farm you have permission to hunt or whatever,

597
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: or maybe even the property you own, and you try

598
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: to plant it was a failure or you couldn't get

599
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: it in or whatever. What happens when you don't have

600
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: that food source. That changed a lot of people's seasons,

601
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: I think. And if you had the food, you might

602
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: have had a disproportionately better season. Because we're deer might

603
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: have been more spread out to more places. This year,

604
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: they're hyper focused in the areas where there was so

605
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: I think I experienced us a little bit for different reasons. UM.

606
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: But like on the back forty, for example, we had

607
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: a farm that used to have food on it that

608
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: we didn't have food on it this year, not because

609
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: of the rain, simply because we couldn't get anything planted

610
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: really with the time we had. But there was lots

611
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: of great food all around us. UM, we saw much

612
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: less deer activity than I would have expected if we

613
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: would have had, you know, some crops in there, some

614
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: food to hold them. I imagine that'd be a pretty

615
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: frustrating frustrating thing for someone if you're used to having

616
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: that farm field there. Um. The one thing that it

617
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of makes me think about as a takeaway from that,

618
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: you hear this occasional critique of people that plant food

619
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: plots in the Midwest or an egg land. It's like,

620
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: why food plot when you're surrounded by farm fields all

621
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: over the place. Why are you wasting your time and

622
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: planning something when there's all these corn fields and being

623
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: fields and all that kind of stuff. You're wasting your time.

624
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I've always thought that to be not true, because I

625
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: think you've got an added level of um strategic benefits

626
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: to planting something where you want it, the specific thing

627
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: you want. You can plan something different than usual, you

628
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: can plan something in a way that's unique, you can

629
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: plant a spot that's unique, etcetera, etcetera. But I think

630
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: in this case, here's a whole another thing. You can't

631
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: always count on the egg You can't always count on

632
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, they're being these being fields and corn fields

633
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: and whatever, because there's gonna be years like this, So

634
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: for the folks that had the ability on the at

635
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: least land or own land, when they had the ability

636
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: to put their own thing in later they probably saved

637
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: their season, while the person next door who couldn't in

638
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: their farm or didn't get anything and they might have

639
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: a really slow season. So that's I realized it's not

640
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: an option for everyone, but it's it's just one more

641
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: thing to think about when considering whether or not food

642
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: plots are worthwhile if you have the ability to do so.

643
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: This year, I think helps some people out. Um. And

644
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: I benefited from that on one of my other Michigan

645
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: properties where I did have food plots in and a

646
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: neighbor didn't give their crops in that usually would have,

647
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: And so I think I saw a little bit more

648
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: activity because of it. Yeah. And I think though for

649
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: most hunters, all those standing crops tend to be a

650
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: negative um standing corn, Yeah, standing corn um, because there

651
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: there can be all that running activity taking place just

652
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: not anywhere in front of you. Those deer can bet

653
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: out in those low spots. Um, they'll hang out on

654
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: those fence rows and just areas that are really tough

655
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: to bow hunt. But I know you have expressed in

656
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: the past. How if the state has a lot of

657
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: standing corn Michigan, for example, that a lot of deer

658
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: survived the gun season, which is a pro for you.

659
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: So it can be both sides there, But I think

660
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: largely standing corn tend to be a negative for for guys. Yeah,

661
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: I felt it was a negative on the back forty

662
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: because we had a bunch of standing corn all around us,

663
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: so that I definitely felt that there. But on the

664
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: other Michigan property, I liked it because of what you

665
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: just said, because we had standing corn the first week

666
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: of the gun season through the opening weekend, you know,

667
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: when a ton of people go out there, and and

668
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: just like you said, I've always felt like I would

669
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: rather sacrifice my success, uh for a little bit during

670
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: gun season if it means that we'll have a better

671
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 1: opportunity the next year. And this has happened a couple

672
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: of years now in this area. We've had a couple

673
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: of years with standing corn. Into this year we did,

674
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: and I think the year before we did too. Um,

675
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure what I can attribute

676
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: this to. This could be a little bit of the

677
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: standing corner has helped. This could be a little bit

678
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: to the wet spring maybe and this could be a

679
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: little bit too, just um, changing culture in my little

680
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: neck of the woods, in this neighborhood, we're kind of

681
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: getting more people that are interested in passing on younger bucks.

682
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, Um, and maybe you know, maybe

683
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of some of the stuff I've been

684
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: doing this help too. Um, I'm seeing way more nice

685
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: but bucks in this little area than ever used to,

686
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: a lot more bucks making like a lot of nice

687
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: two year olds. Used to be like the two year

688
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: old were the best I ever saw around there, and

689
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: then now we're now I'm passing on really nice three

690
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: year olds. It was never a thing. And now this year,

691
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: I think there are three bucks four or older or

692
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: that will be at least four older next year if

693
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: they make it through the winter and everything. But that

694
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: made it through the end of the hunting season, which

695
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: is like unheard of for this little area. Um, and

696
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: you think you could credit standing corn during gun seasons

697
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: is as a little bit as helping as helping, yeah,

698
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: because I think, I mean, there's there's a lot of

699
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: guys a hunting this area, and um, there was a

700
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: lot of standing corn, So I think that helped a

701
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: few and then like one more thing. Um. This doesn't

702
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: warrant a lot of discussion for standing corn, but a

703
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: property that is historically one of my toughest to enter

704
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: an exit because I'm going through an open field that

705
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: the deer want to be in at first light and

706
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: last light, all of a sudden becomes the easiest property

707
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: that I have for entrances and exits. Because I have

708
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: that standing corn, you can be fifty yards from a

709
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: deer and they have no idea. Um. There's so much

710
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: movement and it's so dense, um that it makes getting

711
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: to stand way way easier. So while most years in

712
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: this year I curse that standing corn when I'm out

713
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: there hunting, it certainly makes that way way better. It's

714
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: a good point. That's a very good point. So what

715
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: are a few things. Let's let's talk a little bit

716
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: about how to deal with that. So we've got standing corn.

717
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Let's say it's the rut or whatever it's time period.

718
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: We would usually I think it's down, but it's not.

719
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: I have always approached it. Um, I would do I

720
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: would take advantage of what you just said. I would

721
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: be a little bit more aggressive with my entry and

722
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: exit because I can use that corn field to my

723
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: advantage as far as getting into out of places, whether

724
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: it be walking straight through the corn field, something to

725
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: do if you have if you own the land, um

726
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: or if you know the farm or something. I know

727
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: some guys will actually purposeful a um if they own it,

728
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 1: plant with a small path through the middle of corn field.

729
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: So plan on using the corn field as an access

730
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: route going right to the middle of it, or just

731
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: simply go in there in September or some period before

732
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna start hunting and just clear a path through

733
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: one of the fine one of those UM I'm having

734
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: to brain fighting roast. Find a corn row that you

735
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: can kind of clear out of leaves and junk on

736
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: the ground and just have a quiet path through it. Um. Yes,

737
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: use the standing corn I've also found that edges of

738
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: standing corn fields, especially when there's a little bit of space,

739
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: has become it's gonna be a hot spot for scrapes.

740
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a spot that deer feel comfortable moving

741
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: in daylight, So you can hunt those corn field edge

742
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: as well. Still inside corners where corn field pushes into

743
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: a big piece of cover is going to be a

744
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: hot spot. UM. I've also always found whenever there's points

745
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: or swells and extend into corn fields, that's always a

746
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: really good place to hunt. Um. I was talking to

747
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: another buddy this year who had started even just little

748
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: grassy strips little um what do you calm ah uh,

749
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: you know, a cup of coffee. There's there's some name

750
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: for these little grass strips. They'll go out into the

751
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: middle of like shelter shelter belts or I don't know,

752
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: whatever it is, these little patches of cover that sometimes

753
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: extend into standing corn fields. He's been actually pushing them

754
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: and finding ways to just slip word just stock along

755
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: these things, and you'll find these bucks better than these

756
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: little grassy strips in the standing corn because they feel

757
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: like they're surrounded by a jungle of cover, and you

758
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: can take advantage of that sometimes. So it doesn't hurt

759
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: to become a little bit aggressive when you have that

760
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: situation when they're they're not gonna be in the typical

761
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: places maybe you think you'd find them. Take advantage of

762
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: the fact that, Okay, they're not maybe going to be

763
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: in the places I thought otherwise as often, but maybe

764
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: I'll focus it on these little points to extend into it.

765
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll try, uh you know, and some guys that

766
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: actually walk cornfield rows with their bows and try to

767
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: sneak up and shoot bucks in the standing corn. I

768
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: would be an interesting thing to trap. So doesn't have

769
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: to be a negative. Yeah, And I think it can

770
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: help with some on the ground scouting. If you are

771
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where deer entering and exiting a

772
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: field and the field has been picked, it's really challenging

773
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: to figure out where these deer at. But if all

774
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: the corn is standing, you'll find these places. And I

775
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: think to a property that I haunt, there's like three

776
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: saddles that hit this corn field, and in my mind,

777
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: those deer could be using any of those saddles. They're

778
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: all equal. But this year, when you have that standing corn,

779
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: you'll see that one saddle specifically had um like corn

780
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: that didn't get above your knees because the deer had

781
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: just been destroying the corn in that area, but not

782
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: so much by those other saddles. So on the ground scouting,

783
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: I think it can make that easier when you have

784
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: that standing corn to figure out where these deer are eating.

785
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: I'll so I think it insulates some properties better. Um

786
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: some places that I ordinarily wouldn't hunt when the corn

787
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: is picked because it's too close to a road, or

788
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: it is too close to um other like a lot

789
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: of open space. But when you have all that corn there,

790
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: I think those do you feel a lot more comfortable

791
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: because they don't have people stopping on the road to

792
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: look at them, or that they're not aware of all

793
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: the vehicles that are traveling nearby. Um. So I think

794
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: that that corn can just make them feel more comfortable

795
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: and can lead this in better hunts. Then yeah, I

796
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's very true. And it just

797
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: comes down to, all right, this is the situation we

798
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: have before us. How do you make the best of it?

799
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: And I think all those things are one way to

800
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: approach standing corn. One other food source question. Um, and

801
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: this didn't impact me personally a ton this year, but um,

802
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: what about our production of acorns? What was your feeling

803
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: on how acorns impact of the twenty nineteen season? What

804
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: does that change at all how you think about moving forward?

805
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: So I don't hunt around acorns a lot personally. Still

806
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: a lot of my acorn intel comes from the people

807
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: that we talked to on Red Fresh radio and in

808
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: the past two years, it would come up every time

809
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody, they would reference the abundance of

810
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: acorns that they had in an area, whether it was

811
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: Arkansas or Kentucky, or Pennsylvania or Illinois. It seemed like

812
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: much of the country these last two seasons seen had

813
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: a lot of acorns and that changed their October hunts.

814
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: This year that was not coming up near as much. UM.

815
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it was an average acorn

816
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: season or below average acorn season, but I think that's

817
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: notable because coming off of the last two years, there

818
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: were so many acorns on the ground that it might

819
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: have changed how you were hunting this year and you

820
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: didn't realize that. Um if if you weren't paying attention,

821
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: you could have been like, well, the deer, we're doing

822
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: this in eighteen and seen they were hanging back and

823
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: they cover a lot more. They were not visible at

824
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: all the entire month of October, whatever that might be,

825
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: And then you could have applied that to this year

826
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: and screwed up on something because there was now like

827
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: a lot less acorns. So while I don't think that

828
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: that um effects everybody, it could affect the way you

829
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: were hunting based off these last few years, and then

830
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't a great tactic to apply this year because

831
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: all those acorns weren't there. That's a really good point

832
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: when you you have to be careful with the assumptions

833
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: you draw off previous year's observations, because he really need

834
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: to think about the y to everything, and so let's

835
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: just look at the specific why of a food source.

836
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: The same thing could be applied to corn fields versus

837
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: soybean fields on the rotation, or could be applied to

838
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: this year we didn't have the crops, but last year

839
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: we did. Um. So just thinking about what you saw

840
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: in a given year and then think about what factors

841
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: weren't played that year, and so carrying that forward into

842
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: something I think that I'm always trying to do a

843
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: better job of is is Let's okay, yeah, I know

844
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: that this is what deer did in I know this

845
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: is what happened. I know this is what happened twenty seventeen.

846
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: What else is going on during those years? Okay? So

847
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: nights standing corn twenty nineteen nights standing corn? Um? What

848
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: about acorns? What were the acorn production these years? Okay?

849
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: And see if you can start making any connections, and

850
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: then this year getting the recent intel the importance of

851
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: trying to get in the idea of what are the

852
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: food sources now? So I know people like Johnny Aberhart

853
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: really advocate for doing a speed scout. He'll go out

854
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: like one day in September and walk all of his

855
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: properties and check and see what apple trees are producing,

856
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: what oak trees are producing. Is there any other food

857
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: source that seems to be it's going to be good

858
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: this year? Are you know ourbinians looking good? Whatever, So

859
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: that he knows, Okay, this is the situation this year.

860
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: You can't just depend on what every other year has

861
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: told you. I think that's a big takeaway from me, um,

862
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: because this year could have screwed a lot of people

863
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: up with acorns with the whole crop than we've talked about.

864
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: If you weren't paying attention to how things are different

865
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: this year, like you said, you might have had a

866
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: weird year. Yeah, it's got to be very in the

867
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: moment um. Like historical deer patterns have helped me kill

868
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: deer in the past, but I know they've also cost

869
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: me dear because I've fallen in love with a certain

870
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: tactic or a certain stand that if I would have

871
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: been paying better attention and scouting in the moment like that,

872
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: I would have known better than to do this thing

873
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: or haunt this area based on what the conditions were

874
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: that season. All right, another thing that was a little

875
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: bit different this year. You alluded to this earlier. We

876
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: had great coal friends every weekend, bing bang boom. You

877
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: couldn't have picked it out any better. This year was different. Um,

878
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: let's talk about the timing of Cold Friends and twenty

879
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: nineteen and how that might have impacted things. And then

880
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: did you learn anything from there? Is there anything based

881
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: on You're You're kind of funny with Cold Friends. You've

882
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: been a little bit contrarian when it comes to cold fronts.

883
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: Your theory in the past has been that cold fronts

884
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: really don't impact dear movement. Really, it's just hunters have

885
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: more confidence because there's been so much hype about cold fronts,

886
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: and that leads to folks having more success. Do you

887
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: still feel that way? UM? I continue to like to

888
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: lean on the science for these sort of theories. And

889
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: that's what the science says, is that science is kind

890
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: of sure because of the studies. I guess we can

891
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: say the studies. Yeah, the studies don't necessarily they're not

892
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: necessarily answering the questions that I'm wanting to answer them

893
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: is how I will position why I still believe in

894
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: the impact coal fronts, but nonetheless, So I like to

895
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: lean on the studies that Penn State UM, Georgia q

896
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: d m A, that that they regurgitate of these studies

897
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: things like that. I like to lean on those studies.

898
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: And they say that warm cold um neutral, the deer

899
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: going to move, and that's only the deer movement is

900
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: just going to increase as get closer to the RUD,

901
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: and it's going to decrease that to get further from

902
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: the RUD. And my argument be that they are just

903
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: measuring total movement. They're not measuring is there more daylight

904
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: movement They're not measuring, is there a greater amount of

905
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: movement from the betting area into the open or different

906
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: things that that that might impact hunting. Sure, So I'd

907
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: like to lean on those studies and then say that

908
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: I don't think cold fronts are the and all be all,

909
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: because I like to use science or studies and in

910
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: so many other parts of my life that I feel

911
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: like I can't reject it here when it comes to

912
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: cold front With that said, though, I'm hypocrite and that

913
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: if I see a cold front coming, I get excited.

914
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: I will, um, maybe haunt harder, like haunt a better stand,

915
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: or if if I wasn't planning on going, I'll no,

916
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: I'll now go. Um. There's so much buzz around cold

917
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: fronts in the white tailed world that it can't be

918
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: one wrong. It can be so I am hypocritical in

919
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: that way that I still like cold fronts and pay

920
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: attention to cold fronts. But I think a larger aspect

921
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: of all of this is that cold fronts will give

922
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: hunters confidence. Like I said, and like you said, that

923
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: it might make you go sit in a better stand, um,

924
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: because you think this is the kill hunt. Um. It

925
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: will make you more alert, You're less likely to be

926
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: on your phone. You'll get there earlier, you'll stay later, um,

927
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: because you have that confidence. I think that is as

928
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: large a factor as it is that it actually makes

929
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: the dear move in front of you more. It could

930
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: be a factor. I won't say it's more so, and

931
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: I'll say it could be a portion of it. Um.

932
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: So that's set, whether phantom or reality. Cold fronts where

933
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: something that a a lot of people talked about this year. UM,

934
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: lay it out for me, the most impactful cold fronts

935
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: where when when did you narrow us down to this year?

936
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: I would say the second weekend of October. It seemed

937
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Seemed like a lot of the

938
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: country had a cold front that hit on like that Friday,

939
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: stuck around through Sunday or Monday. And then the second

940
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: big one was that very first weekend of November. I

941
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: think it was like November one maybe that kind of

942
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: hung around for a few days and then sort of

943
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: plateaued into just like some consistent weather for the entire run. YEA,

944
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: for like that long period of the first two weeks

945
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: in November, at least in Michigan, it was just cold

946
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: or really cold. But we never had like we talked

947
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: about earlier. We never had the weird warm temperature. And

948
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: I remember during that time here you and I were

949
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: talking about is it is it it all going to

950
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: be downside? There's no change, Because lots of times people

951
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: talk about changing changes in weather sometimes spur a bumping movement.

952
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: We just had a kind of consistent cold. Um. I

953
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't complain about that. I thought it was fine, um,

954
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: but it was interesting. Yeah, And I certainly like when

955
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: you get that consistent cold at that time of beard,

956
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: that's great, But with that can often bring some stagnant winds. Um,

957
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: something you really have to plan for. If if and

958
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: I think this year's a lot of north winds for

959
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the country during that cold front, you've

960
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: got to be aware that if you ever rutcation that

961
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: nine days long, um, six of those days you might

962
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: have to plan on hunting north wind and so then

963
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: you really have to capitalize on the south winds haunts.

964
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: You have to be more mobile to be able to

965
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: set up and tear down to get you yourself some

966
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: new options. If if this north windstand isn't paying off,

967
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: or if you bump a deer and that one is

968
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: no longer going to be relevant for a few days. Um,

969
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: So that's stagnant whether I think has a downside in

970
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: that way that you were then limited on some of

971
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: your options. Um. Other things around coal fronts that I

972
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: think are worth noting is that first big coal front

973
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: came kind of mid October ish, which some might say

974
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: is is a a slower time of movement. Um, I

975
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: think we've pretty consistently talked about here that it's not

976
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: any kind of biological lull. But there are changing factors

977
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: in the woods that might influence deer to move less

978
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: than daylight, possibly in some places, more hunting pressure, changing

979
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: for food sources, um, Less cover out there as leaves

980
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: come down. UM. So all that can change to your movement. Um.

981
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: But then we had that cold front dropped into this

982
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: same period, so there's a lot of different factors happened

983
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: in mid October. Did you see any kind of big

984
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: bump in success around that. My feeling was that I

985
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: didn't see this monstrous um up swell of of success

986
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: from people that you might have seen, like what happened

987
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: when we had a really nicely timed coal front in

988
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: late October and everyone was like, holy smokes, late October

989
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: like that I remember from thirty one was banging like

990
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: lots and lots of deer were hit in the ground

991
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: during that time period. Um. This year, I didn't feel

992
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: that happened during that time period nearly as much. And

993
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: then when we did have that big coal front in

994
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: like you said, like midish October, it wasn't. Man, Is

995
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: that the sense that you got to Yeah, that's it's

996
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: still hard to quantify because it seems like so much

997
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: of it is is anecdotal. But you're right, it felt

998
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: like we had that one it was like the fifth

999
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: or the seventh in October, and then we had that

1000
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: one later in the season. It seemed like a lot

1001
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: of deer we're getting killed, especially that first one that

1002
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: was early in October. I can't remember the exact day.

1003
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: Somewhere between like the fifth and the tenth, I think

1004
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 1: we both saw we had guys on Red Fresh Radio

1005
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: that we're calling their shots, saying that I think it's

1006
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: going to be great. And then I think three out

1007
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: of four of the guys we had on on the

1008
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: one wins they went out and killed like that Saturday.

1009
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: And then just social media lighting up that same time

1010
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: period where it was early October, but it felt like

1011
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: it was early November from all the deer that were

1012
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: hitting the ground. Um and so, like I said, a

1013
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: lot of that tends to be an acdotal, but it

1014
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: certainly seemed like that happened for sure less less so

1015
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: it might take away from that as I continue to

1016
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: see this happened year after year, all the different variations

1017
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: and stuff if I had to. And again, this is

1018
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: is anecdotal. This is just like trying to put my

1019
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse kind of thing. These are little,

1020
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: tiny observations I'm making, But I would just as as

1021
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: you try to one thing, A lot of hunters deal with, UM,

1022
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: you and I a little bit less. So we're fortunate

1023
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: with our jobs. Now we've got some wiggle room, but

1024
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: um still to a degree, with family life and everything

1025
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: else going on, we have to pick our times to hunt.

1026
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: And it's better to hunt than not hunt if you've

1027
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: got a limited schedule and you just gotta go and

1028
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: you gotta go do it. But if you have the

1029
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: ability to pick your shots, pick your times, and you're

1030
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: being selective about when you can do it, UM, I

1031
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: would say that there's varying levels of impact a cold

1032
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: front can have. I think I believe that most call

1033
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: friends can help a little bit. But I think that

1034
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: a cold front timed at specific parts of the season

1035
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,959
Speaker 1: can have a disproportionate impact. So what I'm thinking here

1036
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: is that a a really early season cold front is

1037
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: a disproportionately special cold front. So if there's a cold

1038
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: front hits October one, I'm pumped about that one. I'm

1039
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: more pumped about the October one one then I am

1040
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: about the October twelfth, fourteenth one. I will second. I'll

1041
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: secondly say that a late October cold from I'm disproportionately

1042
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: excited about because that seems to be like that will

1043
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: kind of really kick things into gear a little bit

1044
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: more than they might otherwise. I'm slightly less excited though

1045
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: about a cold front that's like November ten, because it's

1046
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty good no matter why. I like it, Like,

1047
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be happy about it. But if if if

1048
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: you gave me like the ability to you gave me

1049
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: two cold friends, and I had to pick when I

1050
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: want them, I would either pick very beginning of the season,

1051
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: their end of October, or like a late season cold front.

1052
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: I think those are when it makes us has a

1053
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: special power maybe, And I'm just kind of this is

1054
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: like a high level thing. I'm thinking, I don't have

1055
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: any science, I have no studies I can point to

1056
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: purely ancdotal, but it's kind of that's the feeling I

1057
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: get after talking to so many people, hearing from so

1058
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,919
Speaker 1: many people, um, it seems to be a slightly more

1059
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: impactful those times. And so with that um favored cold

1060
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: friend that you talked about at the very beginning of October,

1061
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: how does that change your tactics, like specifically your haunts.

1062
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: Are you getting closer to betting? Are you hunting more

1063
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: questionable winds? Are you going into areas that you you

1064
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: otherwise wouldn't like? Are you hunting a morning that time

1065
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: of year when you otherwise would not be hunting a morning?

1066
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: So in the super duper early season, I still wouldn't

1067
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: hunt a morning unless I had like an observation of

1068
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: trialcare and picture that told me, hey, he's moving in dayly,

1069
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. Um. So that swing I would

1070
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: not take because I still just at least in a

1071
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: lot of spots of hunt, it's just really hard to

1072
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: get in these places early season in the mornings. Um.

1073
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: But I would get more aggressive in other ways, so

1074
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: I would I would push it. I would hunt my

1075
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: best early season locations, and I would find to try

1076
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: to find ways to do it, even if the winds

1077
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: were slightly more questionable, or if it would require me

1078
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: pushing a little deeper to a property I typically would. Um.

1079
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: Getting the cold from that time year, I've just seen

1080
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: so many times and again it's it's personal, it's ancidotal.

1081
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: But I've just seen so many times that when you

1082
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: got that cold weather the first few days of the season,

1083
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: one of the very very best chances you'll have all year.

1084
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: So this year, now, this this could be you know,

1085
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: this could be an example of not listening to what

1086
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: I just said. This season, Um, we had a cold

1087
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: front hitting, but it was hitting the second day of

1088
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: the season. So I opted for the first time in

1089
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: like ten years, not to hunt the first night of

1090
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: the season in Michigan. I just I was out there.

1091
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: I was scouting, though, So I sat an observation location

1092
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: far away from where I would to get a shot

1093
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: of deer, and I was just glassing the spot I

1094
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: wanted to hunt. So I wanted to see this long

1095
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: area and you know the story, I told you this,

1096
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, five months ago, whatever it was. So I

1097
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: scouted the first night of the season because it was

1098
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: poor conditions, because I wanted to be more informed to

1099
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: hunt the second day when we had better and lo

1100
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: and behold, the first nio the season, my target about

1101
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: tran shows up right where I was going to hunt.

1102
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: If I would have hunted, even though the conditions weren't great.

1103
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 1: But the next day conditions were pretty good. I went

1104
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: and hunted there and I had a shot at, you know,

1105
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty class really nice three year old buck.

1106
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: I did have a shot at what it would have

1107
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: been my second biggest, you know, Michigan buck on this property. UM.

1108
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: So it paid to a degree to push in there

1109
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: that day. UM, I just chose to be more picky.

1110
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what to take from that. That could

1111
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: you could You could look at it either way, I guess.

1112
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: But long story short, when you get those cold fronts

1113
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: at the right time of year, I get more aggressive.

1114
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: I'll you know, I will take more chances when I

1115
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: think conditions tell me that a buck is going to

1116
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: be honest, moving in daily a little bit more likely. Sure. Uh.

1117
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: And with that first weekend of November cold front that

1118
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: hit you also had the running moon right about that time.

1119
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: Something else that, UM, I don't pay much attention to you.

1120
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: I like to look every year we need to go

1121
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: in to be um and and with moon activity or

1122
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: with with moon dictating, do you act it for me?

1123
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: I've said this before. It's like bigfoot or aliens. UM,

1124
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't believe in it. But if you have, like

1125
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: a good Bigfoot story or good alien story, I'm all in.

1126
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: I want to hear about it. Tell me about it.

1127
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: I will stop on a show that deals with those things.

1128
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: Every time I'm flipping through the channels, I'm fascinated by

1129
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: the subject. But ultimately, if you had to be like,

1130
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: do you believe in Bigfoot? Do you believe in aliens?

1131
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: I be like, now that's how I feel about with

1132
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: moon phases altering dear movement. But do you leave it

1133
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: open as a possibility? Sure, yeah, I could be convinced someday.

1134
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: I I lean on the studies, like I said about

1135
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: with Cold fronts. Um those studies show that moon doesn't

1136
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: change anything, But there could be a study that comes

1137
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: up that that changes that because um, as we've seen,

1138
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: like dear studies today are different than dear studies twenty

1139
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: years ago or forty years ago, And some new technology

1140
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: might come out that show us that like, oh no,

1141
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: we we were we were wrong about this, So my

1142
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: mind could certainly be changed. What I'm getting at is

1143
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: we had that rutting moon that fell in early November.

1144
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: Did you notice anything about that? What should hunters expect

1145
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: to see that time of year, and how is like

1146
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: this rutting moon different than other ones we might have. Yeah,

1147
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: so the rutting moon quote unquote is supposedly the second

1148
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: full moon after the autumn equinox, and the theory behind

1149
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: this is that when that occurs, that is kind of

1150
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: a trigger for running activity. This is a theory popularized

1151
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: by the late Charles Alsheimer and Wayne Laroche. I believe

1152
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: based off of a bunch of observations and studies they did.

1153
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: But to your point, almost everyone else, almost all other

1154
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: studies have pointed that not being true. Almost everything else

1155
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: points to the fact that the rut is triggered by

1156
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: photo period, which is the changing levels of daylight which

1157
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: are consistent year after year, which means that you have

1158
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: a consistent, relatively consistent peak of breeding activity year after

1159
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: year most places in the country. I used to pay

1160
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: more attention to the rutting moon. Um. I used to

1161
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: always see what it was and pay attention to seed

1162
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: I see something different, Is there something to it? Um. Honestly,

1163
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, I haven't even really pay

1164
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: attention because anecdotally, I just haven't seen anything consistent enough

1165
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: to make me disregard the studies, so I personally don't

1166
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: take into account. The believers would tell you that you

1167
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: should pay attention to that, and that there are certain

1168
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: kind of like how I do believe that cold fronts

1169
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: at certain times that you can have an impact. They

1170
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: might say that when the rutting moon is placed in

1171
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: certain parts of the calendar, it will have an impact.

1172
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: So one theory is that if you have a very

1173
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: earlier late reading moon that falls outside of the typical

1174
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: window of writing behavior, we'll call it the first two

1175
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: weeks of November, if you've got a running moon that

1176
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: falls outside of that window, you might have what will

1177
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: be called a trickle rut where you don't see a

1178
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: real great burst and intensitive rutting activity. It is kind

1179
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: of a little bit here, a little bit. They're starting

1180
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: maybe mid out Ober and then continuing through mid November later.

1181
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: That's the that's the belief I don't subscribe to. I

1182
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: believe that, based off these studies again, that you're going

1183
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: to see the most breeding in Michigan starts around like

1184
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: the top of that. It's a bell curve, right, there's

1185
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: something earlier, there's some there later, but the highest number

1186
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: will be in that mid November time period. So I

1187
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: always look at the last week of October, in the

1188
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: first two weeks of November when I'm expecting to see

1189
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 1: the very most activity, not breeding, but writing activity leading

1190
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: up to breeding, and then you're gonna see some of

1191
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: the different behavior scattered throughout. I don't want the rutting Moon.

1192
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't want the moon at all really impact my

1193
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: strategy too much anymore. The other rut related theory or

1194
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: the other activity relay theory around the moon is the

1195
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: red Moon. Um, there's a lot of folks to believe

1196
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: in that. I've got good friends that really believe in it.

1197
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of very successful hunters that

1198
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: really believe in it. I won't throw out I won't

1199
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: throw it out completely. The belief that the position of

1200
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: the moon at certain times of day might get you

1201
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more daylight activity. Maybe there's a little

1202
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: bit of truth to that in some kind of way.

1203
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: I just I can't point to any definitive truth or

1204
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: change in my strategy around it, but it's it's there

1205
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: might be something too. But basically the red moon thing is,

1206
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: is there certain days or certain times when the moon

1207
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: is directly above or directly below, overhead or underfoot, which

1208
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: supposed we can impact a little bit of early movement. UM.

1209
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: One thing maybe worth noting is that in there was

1210
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: an evening red moon during that late October time period

1211
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: that also coincided with the cold front, which also coincided

1212
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: with what we both observed being a particularly high number

1213
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: of people killing mature bucks. This year, we didn't have that.

1214
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: We didn't have the red moon either. You can't connect

1215
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: the dots to the one thing or another, but it's

1216
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: it's an observation. UM. In when was that rotting moon?

1217
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: What should have people expected to see? So the running

1218
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: moon was October thirty one, which would have basically been

1219
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: right in line with one. I would expect writting behavior

1220
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: to be picking up regardless of the moon. So that's

1221
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: how I approach it. I just I'm gonna look at

1222
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: what's the calendar date, and I'll look at weather conditions

1223
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: a little bit to help me understand if I think

1224
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a little bit more daily activity or not. Um.

1225
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: But I'm always blocking off those those dates. They should

1226
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: be pretty good, yum, the moon or otherwise. And I

1227
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: kind of just craped all over the moon stuff UM.

1228
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that I never, like really

1229
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: loved having a moon dictate your hunt is that I

1230
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: felt like it was something that deer hunters had invented

1231
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 1: to um like talk about why movement might be better

1232
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: or worse. And I thought this was like largely a

1233
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: white tail thing. And then I moved to Montana and

1234
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: I started L hunting. And the honest tell Us is

1235
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: former elkhunning guide. He's a great l con to right now.

1236
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: I was bouncing all kinds of questions often because I'm

1237
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: so green to it, and I would just um anytime

1238
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: something to come up by shooting a text or I

1239
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: would go bug him in the office and he would

1240
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: talk about how the moon affects l cunning and how

1241
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that he worked with felt the

1242
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: same way that the moon affected elk hunting, and Yanni

1243
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: as someone who's l counting knowledge, I greatly respect. And

1244
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: so that kind of opened my eyes to something else

1245
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: as well, that well, it's not just um white tail

1246
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: hunters on manicured properties that think this is a thing.

1247
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: It falls outside of that with L hunters, UM fishermen

1248
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: talk about how the how the moon can affect things

1249
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: So that's also why I leave it open that I

1250
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: could be I could be talked into the moon affecting

1251
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: deer movement, uh someday, But until like that study comes out,

1252
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's something that I'm not real concerned with. Yeah,

1253
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: I feel like if if anything else, because I said

1254
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: this mighty test before, I look at it as like

1255
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: a sweetener, it might give you just like a two

1256
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: percent better chance that I'm mature buck maybe is going

1257
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: to move in daylight a little bit Further, I won't

1258
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: complain if the moon is supposedly good for the day.

1259
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm being a hunt, but I don't let it dictate

1260
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 1: too much of what I do. Yeah, if you were

1261
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: listening out like ten factors as to why this might

1262
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: be a good or bad hunt, that's not going to

1263
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: be in like your top three or four. No, it's

1264
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna be lower on my list. It might be something

1265
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: I say, hey, I hope this helps. Yeah, but it's

1266
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: not going to be what I'm framing the whole plan around. Say, um,

1267
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: so we've talked about the time of cold from we

1268
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: talked about the time of the moon. We talked about

1269
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: how the wet spring and wet fall change things around.

1270
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: Is there any other major factor from twenty nineteen that

1271
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: is worth noting or that might impact us in twenty

1272
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: at all. I was less aware of this because I

1273
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: didn't deer hunt much in December. I think a hundred

1274
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: five days in December. But it seemed like most of

1275
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: the country had a pretty mild December. And so you

1276
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: know you you almost haunt you on December every year

1277
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: with success often as well. So maybe you can speak

1278
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: to this better on what a mild December means or

1279
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: what a December with a lot of snow means, and

1280
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: were December with a lot of cold means, But it

1281
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: felt like this year in uh there wasn't a ton

1282
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: of big snow uh experiences across the country. The temps

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01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: never got super cold. We just kind of had a

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01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: mild last month of the Yeah, And I think this

1285
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: goes back to some of the factors we've talked about.

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01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean all year, every year, we talked about these

1287
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: same things. Um. But again a review typical late season

1288
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: conditions that I'm looking for is I want a big

1289
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: coal front again, or a a significant weather event. Significant

1290
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: change in weather typically will spur some increased activity daylight activity,

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: So a big major coal front like super fridgid temperatures.

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01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: That's one of those things. They can get deer that

1293
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: might be less likely to move in daylight to be

1294
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: a willing to get on their feet. The second thing

1295
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: could be a big snow event. And for much of

1296
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: the Midwest we did get either one of those things

1297
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: for most of December. So I personally, I didn't see

1298
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: the late season activity I've seen in a year's past.

1299
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: And I saw plenty of deer, but I wasn't seeing

1300
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: the mature bucks like I thought I might be able

1301
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: to see. Um. I was waiting and hoping to take

1302
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: advantage of one of those fronts to go and try

1303
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: to take a late season crack at tran That buck

1304
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm after never got it. Um. So I hunted regardless,

1305
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 1: but I just didn't get the movement that I thought

1306
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: would really happen. So I saw very few bucks on

1307
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: their feet and daylight coming out into the open. When

1308
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: I was seeing them, they were way back and cover

1309
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: in places I couldn't hunt, but I could just kind

1310
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: of see the distance. Um. The one time that my

1311
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: buck did come out to a food source in the

1312
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: late season, it was a cold day, just a few days,

1313
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: like a second day after snow, about as cool as

1314
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: we got all late season, and very high pressure. It

1315
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: was like a bluebird sky high pressure day, and it

1316
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: was one of those days that and you can just

1317
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: feel it. There's certain I don't know if you've ever

1318
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: noticed this, but I can predict an hour or two

1319
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: before the end of daylight the nights when I want

1320
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: to see a mature buckler when there's a really good chance,

1321
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: Like you can feel this is gonna be one of

1322
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: those nights. So there's a good chance as long as

1323
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: sometimes that doesn't get messed up, as long as some

1324
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: other hunter doesn't spook him, or coyote runs through, or

1325
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't spook a deal, this is gonna be one

1326
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: of those nights. You can feel it, like you'll see

1327
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: more young bucks on their feet early, You'll see the

1328
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: does coming out earlier. Um you'll see especially here oftentimes

1329
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: in the late season, the places that I hunt, it'll

1330
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: either be like all dose or it'll be the night

1331
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: when you can see a bunch of bucks. But for

1332
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: some reason they right this time of year, the bucks

1333
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: kind of start regrouping back and store of pseudo bachelor

1334
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: groups to a degree, and if if I start seeing

1335
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: two year old bucks on their feet, I'm like, oh boy,

1336
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: this night could be a good night. And they happened

1337
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: one time the entire season, and that one time last

1338
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: year that came out. It was a big man and

1339
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't get a shot at him. But um, but yeah,

1340
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: we didn't get the optimal conditions this year. I imagine

1341
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that had slightly less

1342
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 1: success than they would have hoped in late season because

1343
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: of it. Um. I guess what that means on the

1344
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: bright side, is that again, when I might have had

1345
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: a few more deer that made it through to the

1346
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: new year, so we might have, like in my case,

1347
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: I've got several mature bucks that I know made it

1348
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: through the guns, made it for the hunting season, um,

1349
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: when in past years he didn't. So glasses half empty

1350
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: would be that it didn't phil attack glass half full?

1351
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 1: Was that looks pretty exciting? Yeah? And in something um

1352
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,639
Speaker 1: that we talked about with the average j corn crop,

1353
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: that's not always notable, but when the season before is

1354
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: so different than it becomes a notable thing. With the

1355
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: mild December, Um, that's that's not really like always notable

1356
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: thing when it comes to white tails shedding the ntlers.

1357
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: But last year there was a ton of evidence of

1358
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: deer shedding early in December and by early January. UM

1359
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: that it became something that wasn't really in Adota anymore.

1360
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: And I talked to Kip Adams about this in an

1361
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: article about this as to why it seemed like you

1362
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: were shedding early across the country last year. UM, and

1363
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: he had kind of pointed to like environmental stressors as

1364
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: to why those three things to be like crop failure,

1365
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: prolonged flooding, and prolonged cold. So when we didn't have

1366
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: like the prolonged cold this year, I think then you're

1367
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: not going to expect to see the same thing as

1368
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: where bucks were shedding a lot by Christmas day. UM,

1369
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: something you're probably not gonna notice this year. Interesting. So

1370
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 1: there's twenty nineteen in ah h was a nutshell. I

1371
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: think that's what they say, having one of those days,

1372
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: but every one of those days of the words just

1373
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: aren't coming to me. I couldn't sleep last night. I

1374
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: was up to like one thirty UM stewing on new

1375
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: ideas for the wire tunt podcast and us there that's

1376
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 1: what it is that might be it. UM. So that's

1377
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: our rear and review. We talked a little bit about

1378
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: some of the things we'll be thinking about differently. UM.

1379
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: But do you have to close this out? Do you

1380
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: have one New Year's resolution related to hunting or dear?

1381
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: Is there any one thing you're hoping to do differently,

1382
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: better change, um that you will be focusing on as

1383
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: you deliberately practice and prepare for season. Just do better

1384
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: than this year. That's that's largely it. Um. That's so generic,

1385
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: I know, but but I want to hunt more, I

1386
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: want to kill more. UM So I think that's that's

1387
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: really simply it is haunt more, kill more, and and

1388
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that go into that. Like

1389
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: I said, planning better, UM, maybe changing some tactics, not

1390
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: falling in love with historical things that have maybe worked. UM.

1391
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: So I think those are it. If if I had

1392
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: to get more specific, UM, this year, I killed my

1393
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: buck during the rout with my UM. You know part

1394
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: of this property that I had never really hunted in

1395
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: a stand, that I would never um in a tree,

1396
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: that I had never hung a standing before. UM. And

1397
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: it was because I forced myself to do something different

1398
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: during the ruts rather than relying on uh, these stands

1399
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: or these trees that I know I've worked in the past,

1400
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 1: and so I want to do more of that going forward.

1401
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: Stay more mobile, uh, stay more in the moment, like, Okay,

1402
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: this isn't working, so I have to do something differently. Um.

1403
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: That was why I was successful on that hunt. So

1404
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: I think I need to apply that to more of

1405
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: my hunt forward. Good that good stuff. I think for me,

1406
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about this at all today. UM,

1407
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: but one thing that I want to do or a

1408
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: shift is maybe be more maybe a little bit more

1409
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: conservative on when I hunt. I kind of went a

1410
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: little bit. I've been ebbing and flowing with this and

1411
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: this year I hunted a bunch in the same places

1412
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: because I figured out some ways to hunt these places

1413
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 1: with relatively impact. UM. And I've also gotten to the

1414
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: point where I know you can have some success in

1415
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 1: mid October, late October, etcetera. UM, So I got a

1416
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 1: little bit aggress more aggressive with when I hunted that

1417
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: I usually do. This coming year, I want to pull

1418
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: back there. I want to become a little bit more

1419
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 1: conservative with how often I go, but I want to

1420
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: get more aggressive with where I go. So I'm gonna

1421
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: hunt a little bit fewer days, but I'm gonna push

1422
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: in deeper to the cover. This past year, I did

1423
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: that to a degree, and I started hunting in a

1424
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: few of these spots a little bit more into the

1425
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: cover than I used to, and with some mobile stuff,

1426
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: I was shifting stands, I was moving thirty yards to

1427
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: a new spot, and I uncovered a couple of spots

1428
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: that I can hunt um where I was getting more

1429
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 1: opportunities than I ever have on one of these Michigan properties.

1430
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: And I think that can be applied to some of

1431
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: my public line stuff too. I want to just keep

1432
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: on pushing further and further. I've I've started out as

1433
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 1: a deer hunter, being very afraid to spook deer. I

1434
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: would I was, I was always airing towards I'd rather

1435
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: not bump them on it here. I'd rather wait and

1436
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: observe and hope to catch them making mistakes. I think

1437
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: that's still important to a degree, but I'm getting confident

1438
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: enough with knowing where that line is to now push

1439
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: it one step further in. So a little more conservad

1440
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: about when a little more aggressive about where is UH

1441
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: is something we'll be thinking about and I think all

1442
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: the things we talked about, the food sources, the cold fronts,

1443
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: the timing of whatever types of weather impacts might be

1444
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 1: out the rough Fresh Radio that until we're getting all

1445
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: of that definitely impacts my wends, which will allow me

1446
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: to determine the weares. So that's how I'm using ret

1447
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: Fresh Radio. I appreciate you helping do all that every

1448
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: year for us helping kind of break this down this year. Um,

1449
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: I personally find this show to be super helpful, like

1450
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: it's a selfish project. Every week. I listen as a

1451
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: consumer more than anything, and um man, I hope everybody

1452
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: else feel the same way. I enjoy doing it. Um

1453
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite parts of the week every

1454
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: year when I record those episodes. So I hope listeners

1455
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,719
Speaker 1: liked season four and I'm already excited for season five

1456
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: because of these things we just talked about. Here we

1457
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: go off to the races, and that is a rap.

1458
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. I hope you enjoyed this one.

1459
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: As we broke down the trends and and observations from

1460
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: this past hunting season, I hope you'll all take some

1461
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: time to think through these questions for yourself, what you observed,

1462
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: what you learned um whether it be high level things

1463
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: like we talked about with whether and in different kind

1464
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: of environmental factors, or more personal like the mistakes you

1465
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: might have made or things you try that did or

1466
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: did not work out well. Take some time to reflect

1467
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: on that, take some time to think about how to

1468
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: do things differently the next year. That that deliberate, thoughtful

1469
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: approach to analyzing a past hunting season and preparing for

1470
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: the next hunting season in a new way. I really

1471
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: think that's the over bullet. That is the secret to

1472
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: taking your hunting to the next level. It's simple, but

1473
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:10,759
Speaker 1: it simply works. So thank you again, appreciate your time,

1474
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired to hunt.