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Speaker 1: It's a Thursday, Bills, Dolphins Tonight Live. It's The Herd

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Speaker 1: wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for making us part of your day. Fifteen minutes. We

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Speaker 1: all get smarter every week. Jamch I was talking about

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Speaker 1: favorites this year and the disappearing middle class in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: which we've been on for three years. So big favorites

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Speaker 1: this season meaning you're favored by four points or more.

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Speaker 1: I think a big favorite six six and a half

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Speaker 1: or more. But team is favored by four plus points

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Speaker 1: or more. Are not only twelve and zero. They're winning

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Speaker 1: by twelve and a half points. They're averaging twenty nine

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Speaker 1: points a game and allowing seventeen, meaning you get more blowouts.

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Speaker 3: So you're getting more.

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Speaker 1: Blowouts because there's a bigger gap in the schedule now tonight.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be one of those blowouts.

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Speaker 1: I mean games that I'm almost guaranteed are going to

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Speaker 1: be close. Rams Eagles will be really really close. Yep,

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Speaker 1: Texans Jags will be close. I'd be surprised if Steelers, Patriots, Colts,

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Speaker 1: Titans aren't close. Denver Chargers will be very competitive.

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Speaker 3: It's the NFL. Every game feels close.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, I do not get the Bears

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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys is basically a pickham that I don't get.

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Speaker 4: You have a touched on Falcons Panthers. That's a good

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Speaker 4: game on Fox. I'm loaded up on one side in

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Speaker 4: that one.

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Speaker 3: I think we'll be talking about it on Friday. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure the audience is waiting with painted breath.

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Speaker 4: Hey, come on, listen. Atlanta's good Atlanta. By the way,

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Speaker 4: is Atlanta in your upper class or are they middle class?

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Speaker 1: Well, let's let Penix have ten stars.

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Speaker 3: I think he barely has an A starts and you

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Speaker 3: put him in the upper crust.

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Speaker 1: Who's at O next?

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Speaker 3: He's been awful so far through two.

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Speaker 1: He has twenty NFL starts, and he made the playoffs

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Speaker 1: as a rookie in the division with Herbert and Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: He's fine, he's Chargers this week. That how about how

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Speaker 3: good is.

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Speaker 2: That game.

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Speaker 3: In the division? Very good?

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Speaker 1: Forty six years NFL films joined us twenty five times

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Speaker 1: a year minimum at this time. Okay, you know it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times coaches send messages. They go to

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Speaker 1: the podium every week on Wednesday and they you know,

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Speaker 1: they have a message for the team. And Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: this week is saying I am seeing a lot of

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Speaker 1: improvement with Caleb Williams. I didn't see it. What mister Kosel,

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Speaker 1: what did the film say that? Do you see a

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Speaker 1: progressive growth with Caleb Williams week one to week two?

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Speaker 5: You know, I thought in the first half Colin that

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Speaker 5: there was that he was better because the key thing

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Speaker 5: get rid of the football. They don't want him to

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Speaker 5: get stuck in the pocket. So I thought in the

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Speaker 5: I thought that he was much more decisive in what

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately, you never want to be in this situation

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Speaker 5: the warts that he has right now come out.

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Speaker 6: And you know, one of the things is in.

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Speaker 5: The NFL, and we've talked about this, and the more

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Speaker 5: you throw, the more it shows up. Is for quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: who are not used to the NFL and pressure, what's

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Speaker 5: pressure and what's not pressure in the NFL, they start

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Speaker 5: to move when they don't need to move. They move prematurely,

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Speaker 1: So JJ McCarthy is young, fewer starts than Caleb, banged

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Speaker 5: I studied him in detail in Michigan. I personally, in

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Speaker 5: It was a problem that he had, and then you

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Speaker 6: It's not as if they're not going to play him

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about too. Miami right now

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Speaker 6: There's no mystery to what Tua is Colin.

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Speaker 5: Everybody knows he's a pure timing and rhythm player that

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Speaker 5: Looks good, depending on who the opponent is, depending on

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Speaker 5: a number of factors, he can look really, really good

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Speaker 5: the ball out in windows, he's a very good window thrower.

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Speaker 5: Between the numbers. That's his game. But that's all his

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Speaker 5: have to decide. Look last week, two things really stood

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Speaker 5: out in the tape. Number one, thirty seven dropbacks, twelve

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Speaker 6: To what he is. They only rushed five two times on.

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Speaker 5: His thirty seven dropbacks because they wanted seven in coverage

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Speaker 1: We look at tonight, the Bills are favored by a

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Speaker 1: and you said this last week. You said their run

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Speaker 1: game is more fundamentally important and better than people give

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Speaker 1: You said that, And so I looked for this past week,

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Speaker 5: Well, every quarterback game is from a run game. And

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Speaker 5: It's funny. I watched that tape and I came away

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Speaker 5: Allen because he plays in four days and it didn't

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Speaker 5: a run game always helps a quarterback. So I think, look,

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Speaker 5: we know Josh Allen when necessary can put on the

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Speaker 5: And it's funny, I said watching that tape to one

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Speaker 5: game demands it. You know, he doesn't play that way

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Speaker 1: So one of the reasons I picked the Seahawks to

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Speaker 1: is that when Sam has a run game and can

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Speaker 1: throw it twenty eight times or fewer and does not

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Speaker 1: have to get into track meets. And I think this

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Speaker 1: really talented. But and I think that's really the key.

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Speaker 1: That's why in Minnesota with Brian Lawes, he didn't have

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Speaker 1: you're saving the franchise, he's like Gina, Yeah, Jennis, three times,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get two or three picks. So what does

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Speaker 1: the tape say so far with Sam? I think Seattle

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Speaker 5: Well, it's funny you say that because what they did

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Speaker 5: this is something that will be a trend or not.

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Speaker 5: But what they did last week against Pittsburgh was something

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Speaker 5: I haven't seen very much in the league. They had

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Speaker 5: sixty four offensive snaps Colin. Forty five of them came

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Speaker 6: They did not play many snaps.

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Speaker 6: Yes, now it does.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the larger question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to go back. I asked you

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Speaker 6: But I stood next to Caleb Williams and Drake May.

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Speaker 5: But they're also so good Halflee, and this to me

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Speaker 5: so there's only going to be one corner on the

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Speaker 5: field and that corner is down below at the bottom

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Speaker 5: of the screen. So they got three linebackers and three

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Speaker 5: safeties versus their thirteen personnel, which they knew they were

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Speaker 5: going to get from the play before. So they put

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Speaker 5: the rookie savi you on Williams now in motion across

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Speaker 5: the formation.

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Speaker 6: So what does that lead to. It's something that we call.

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Speaker 5: Four strong, meaning four receivers to one side of the formation.

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Speaker 6: That's what you're going to get here. As we freeze it.

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Speaker 5: When Williams gets over there, there's now four receivers to

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Speaker 5: one side.

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Speaker 6: But remember the corner didn't go.

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Speaker 5: With them, so the corners all the way on the

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Speaker 5: other side of the field. So now you're going to

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Speaker 5: run four routes colin four round so okay, against two

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Speaker 5: linebackers and two safeties.

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Speaker 6: This is exactly what you want.

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Speaker 5: These guys are not great coverage people, okay, particularly the linebackers,

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Speaker 5: and what they're going to run now is a three

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Speaker 5: man vertical concept. That's the route concept here. It's going

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Speaker 5: to be a three man vertical concept. You're going to

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Speaker 5: see Williams run deep on the outside. You're going to

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Speaker 5: see that's actually Musgrave the other tight end there on

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Speaker 5: that side. He's going to run the deep over in

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Speaker 5: the middle of the field, and then Craft is going

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Speaker 5: to run the seam. So now you get three vertical routes.

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Speaker 5: There's no corner involved in this coverage at all. So

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Speaker 5: here's what you get. So now you're going to see

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Speaker 5: that's Bobby Wagner. He's probably a Hall of Famer. So

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Speaker 5: he now gets his eyes on Craft. Well, let's see

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Speaker 5: how all this really plays out, because this is really

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Speaker 5: good stuff. You're going to see Williams, he's going to

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Speaker 5: lift the safety to the top of the screen. You're

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Speaker 5: going to see Musgrave run right at the deep safety,

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Speaker 5: and you're going to see now the back expands into

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Speaker 5: the flat, so the other linebacker goes with him.

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Speaker 6: So what do you end up with? You end up

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Speaker 6: with Wagner who has to match Craft.

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Speaker 5: But Wagner is uncertain of what to do and he's

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Speaker 5: a veteran, as I said, probably a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 5: so he gets lost. So you end up with just

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Speaker 5: a great concept. Colin, you probably could have made that throw.

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Speaker 5: The concept was so good, So you know that's what

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Speaker 5: you get.

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Speaker 6: This is what play calling is all about to me.

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Speaker 5: And this is how you structure an offense, and you

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Speaker 5: structure with the use of personnel formations, motion and you

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Speaker 5: create This is what I mean when I always say

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Speaker 5: you define a read and a throw.

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Speaker 6: For a quarterback. You can't do it any better than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they also have so much speed offensively that

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Speaker 1: when they get you in space, they're a problem even

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Speaker 1: if you do read the play. And at that point

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Speaker 1: the commanders did not great co sell on a Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Is always good seeing you.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, Colin, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and green Bay's got everything humming, play design, speed,

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Speaker 1: everybody can run and defensively and again, head coaches matter.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Hafley, how many times have we talked about their

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator coordinators met Robert sallin the Niners defense last

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Speaker 1: year was a mess. They lose green Law Hufunga. They're better. Why,

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Speaker 1: it just matters. It's like having a good mentor, a

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Speaker 1: good professor, a good high school teacher. The quality matters.

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Speaker 1: And green Bay right now the best team I've seen

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Speaker 1: in the league. Both sides, coaching staff, run it, throw

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Speaker 1: a play, and they're built to play from behind. I

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Speaker 1: just don't think they're gonna have to. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: one thing. I don't think Philadelphia is built to play

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Speaker 1: from ten points down seven minutes left.

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Speaker 3: Green Bay is.

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Speaker 1: That's what another reason why I think right now to

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Speaker 1: the best team in the league.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not worried about the weather right now. Come

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Speaker 4: And one of the things I'm worried about is the

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Speaker 4: Philadelphia Eagles offense because Colin I do believe, like you

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Speaker 4: said for most of his show today that other than

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Speaker 4: the tush push, they don't really have much going for them. Sure,

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Speaker 4: they're two and zero, Philly is twenty ninetheen yards per game. Wow,

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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts has only completed three passes of ten yards

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Speaker 4: or more. Again, like, I don't think it's a huge

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Speaker 4: deal yet, but it's going to be Hurts address the

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Speaker 4: lackluster offense.

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Speaker 8: I take accountability for a lot of it and just

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Speaker 8: how we go out there because it's my job. My

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Speaker 8: jobs you go out there and be the general orchestrate

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Speaker 8: everything and ultimately make plays. And you know, given the

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Speaker 8: opportunities we had, you know, I'm very critical of myself

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Speaker 8: of trying to make the most of what's given to us.

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Speaker 8: And so there's definitely some evolution that we can do.

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Speaker 8: There's definitely some things that we can grow in. But

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Speaker 8: I look inward on all of those things and I

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Speaker 8: just want to make the most of the opportunities that

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Speaker 8: we do have.

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Speaker 4: So let me ask you this colin. Local media is

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Speaker 4: asking the Eagles about this. National media like US is

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Speaker 4: talking about this, fans are talking about this, the other

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Speaker 4: coaches around the league are talking about the toush push.

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Speaker 4: I wonder do you think this makes Philly more or

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Speaker 4: less likely to come out with a different look Sunday?

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Speaker 4: Then they've had the first two weeks, are they gonna

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Speaker 4: be just chucking and ducking? Like, do you expect change

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Speaker 4: from Philly?

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Speaker 1: Well, if they look at the film of Stafford and

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Speaker 1: Puka and Devonte Adams and their difficulty at one of

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Speaker 1: their corner spots, I think Nick Siriani and his staff

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Speaker 1: realize we're gonna have to score some points here. The

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Speaker 1: Rams will move the football. I think that's pretty obvious.

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Speaker 1: So my take is Philadelphia probably works to some degree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they did get the ball more to aj Brown.

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Speaker 1: It's just that they were all underneath throws. So it's

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Speaker 1: not that they are ignoring AJ Brown, They're just not

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball deep. And I don't think Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 1: is an elite pocket guy. I don't think he's built

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Speaker 1: the play from behind. There are some guys who I

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Speaker 1: don't want running, but I love in the pocket Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Love when Baker just plants his foots and throws. I

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Speaker 1: think Michael Pennock's early Oh, I like that guy from

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Speaker 1: the pocket. Hurts is a guy that I like moving.

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Speaker 1: I the tush, push the RPO stuff, get rid of

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Speaker 1: it quickly. I mean, I don't think it's a coincidence.

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Speaker 1: They throw to the tight end a lot for smaller quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: that's an easier target to see underneath sixty six tight end.

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Speaker 1: So I just think I think they don't have to

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Speaker 1: play much from behind, but I don't think they're necessarily

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Speaker 1: built for it.

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Speaker 4: And got her trending toward returning this week. That would

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Speaker 4: be a good get back for the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Obviously.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're at a time right now in football

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Speaker 4: where everybody thinks they have all the answers, they know

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Speaker 4: what's gonna happen, right, I mean, everybody in their mom

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Speaker 4: is a gambling analyst. I'm still surprised this is three

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Speaker 4: and a half cone. Sometime I'm missing something here. Maybe

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Speaker 4: the Eagles trample them. Maybe maybe it's McVeigh struggles against

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Speaker 4: the Eagles and the offense can't do much.

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Speaker 3: But what am I missing? Why are we getting offered

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Speaker 3: the hook here? Shouldn't this just be three? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think the Rams have had offensive line issues a

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Speaker 1: little bit. I think there's a feeling that Stafford will

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Speaker 1: be under pressure. Everything points to me to either a

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Speaker 1: Rams win or Rams close. So again, this is one

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Speaker 1: of those lines that was an easy one. There's only

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Speaker 1: about one or two a week that I look at

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Speaker 1: and I thought, Dallas is pick him against Chicago. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel right. And the Rams getting the hook against

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia that didn't feel right.

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Speaker 3: So I mean every I just I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: It just I think we're gonna have a really close game,

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Speaker 1: probably low scoring because the Eagles don't to it downfield

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Speaker 1: and the Rams defense puts pressure on everybody. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a and I've always told you when I think

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Speaker 1: it's a low scoring, close game, take the hook.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'll get the social guys to flag it. But

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Speaker 4: over under half a penalty on tush push plays for

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Speaker 4: the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Over there'll be one, how over five over under one

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Speaker 3: and a half under.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Because I think this, I think the Eagles have spent

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Speaker 1: time this week getting it right as well.

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Speaker 4: The league is going to be looking closely. Just to

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Speaker 4: just trust me, given what happened against the Chiefs. Next up, Colin,

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Speaker 4: let's go to Monday night football. Really good matchup. Lions

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Speaker 4: had to Baltimore to take on Lamar. Detroit embarrassed the

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Speaker 4: Bears in week two, dropped a fifty burger. Ravens rookie

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Speaker 4: safety Malachi Starts knows that the defense needs to be

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Speaker 4: on their A games, saying the Lions are versatile, they're elite.

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Speaker 3: We have to be on our p's and q's.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know Malachi Starts was speaking in like seventies talk.

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Speaker 4: That's like what my parents said Europeans and qs. I

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Speaker 4: haven't heard anybody say that normal lately. This line keeps

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Speaker 4: coming down a lot of money on the Lions. Colin,

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Speaker 4: I don't know about that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like Baltimore here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is there a team and I don't have

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Speaker 1: this in front of me. Has any team had more

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Speaker 1: blowout wins in the last three years than the Ravens

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Speaker 1: at home? And I mean against good team?

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe the Lions. I mean they bludge in folks

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Speaker 3: than the don't yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And and I think Jared Goff has never quite

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Speaker 1: been as effective either cold weather, outdoors, road.

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Speaker 3: This thing just screams Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, yeah, I think you pointed this

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Speaker 4: out the Browns versus the Ravens. The Browns like outgain Baltimore.

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Speaker 4: That was like weird, It was like thirteen to three.

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Speaker 1: And the third think a lot of what makes Baltimore

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Speaker 1: so effective is they have big play capability, Lamar Derrick,

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Speaker 1: Henry Zay Flowers. So it's not necessarily with Baltimore always

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Speaker 1: ball control. I mean, you know, Josh Allen has some

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Speaker 1: of this. Sometimes you know, you'll look up and Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen just makes a play. So I think, I think

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Speaker 1: I don't worry too much about that. Over the course

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Speaker 1: of a season, they'll win time of possession and yardage games.

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Speaker 1: But but Baltimore, I just think it's it's a man

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Speaker 1: and that there's another number here. And FC teams against

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson have been dreadful. So it just the numbers

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Speaker 1: tell you take.

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Speaker 3: The raid YEP final story call. Let's go to yes,

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons.

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Speaker 4: I love getting these guys in the show because they

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Speaker 4: break my heart every freaking Sunday. So they got to

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Speaker 4: win over the Vikings Sunday night. Really nice for us.

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Speaker 4: B Jon Robinson cooked. He is second in the NFL

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Speaker 4: with one hundred and forty six yards from scrimmage per game.

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Speaker 4: And Raheem Morris, his coach, made it clear he loves

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Speaker 4: his star running back.

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Speaker 6: He's definitely the best player in football.

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Speaker 9: Like in my head, I don't care. He's unbelievable. I

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Speaker 9: love the kid. I love everything about him. I love

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Speaker 9: Washington with the ball. I love his confidence, I love

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Speaker 9: his demeanor, I love his mindset, I love the leadership.

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Speaker 9: I love everything about him. And like you know, it

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Speaker 9: is what it is. I love the kid.

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Speaker 1: I was told in the draft before he came out.

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Speaker 1: I think I said this on the air three or

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Speaker 1: four times. He literally didn't have a flaw. He was Ladanian, Tomlinson,

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Speaker 1: good leader, good kid, could run, could blog, could catch.

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Speaker 1: He was I was told by an executive in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: they said, you don't get he goes. I wouldn't take

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Speaker 1: him number one because of his position.

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Speaker 3: He Goes.

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Speaker 1: He's literally a flawless player, character, leadership, toughness, everything.

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Speaker 3: And you know, think about this too.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to draft a running back in the first

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Speaker 1: fifteen picks. Let's go look at the guys who have

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Speaker 1: been drafted recently in the first round. Jamiir Gibbs, Jon Robinson,

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Speaker 1: sa Kwan Barkley, Ezekiel Elliott, Adrian Peterson. You know, when

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Speaker 1: you do take a running back early now late first

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Speaker 1: round is no man's land. That's a graveyard for all picks.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City took a you know, Isaiah Pacheco late didn't

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Speaker 1: work out. But if you take a running back in

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Speaker 1: the top fifteen picks, they mostly become stars in this league.

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Speaker 4: I think Pacheco was seventh, but I think Clyde Edwards

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Speaker 4: Hilaire's no.

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Speaker 3: You're right, you're right, My bad, right, Edwards Hilaire.

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Speaker 4: You named a lot of good running backs who went

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Speaker 4: first early first. Ashton Genty went.

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Speaker 3: To the race.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think he's going to be fine.

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Speaker 4: Are you sure he has two weeks besides Finn to

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Speaker 4: see owners being unset.

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Speaker 3: Colin He's at.

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Speaker 4: Like three yards of carry And I'm being completely honest.

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Speaker 3: I know we got some Raiders fans on staff.

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Speaker 4: He does not move like Jon Robinson when Robinson hits

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Speaker 4: those holes.

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Speaker 1: Com Jon Bjeon came in a flawless player against elite competition.

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Speaker 1: Bijeon Also, that was a much stronger draft, so I mean, Bjean.

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Speaker 1: You could argue if Bijeon would have been in this draft,

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Speaker 1: there's an argument he would have been the number one

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Speaker 1: player taken, But but gent was in a much weaker

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Speaker 1: draft where people saw him as a top eight prospect.

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Speaker 1: Bijeon Bijeon was seen as a flawless I mean, we

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Speaker 1: worried about Ashton Genty, his size, his competition. Bijeon had

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Speaker 1: no flaws.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really good.

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Speaker 1: His first year.

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Speaker 3: The big knock was they wouldn't give him the ball enough.

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Speaker 4: How about this one on Fox Falcons Panthers. Listen, I'm

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Speaker 4: that guy who bets the Falcons every week.

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Speaker 3: You know I'm pot committed to them.

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Speaker 4: I will buy you a jet Ski if they're the

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Speaker 4: number one seed in the NFC, because that's how loaded

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Speaker 4: I am. I love them this weekend. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 4: sure you see you look at injury reports. The Panthers

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Speaker 4: could be down four offensive linemen and the Falcons all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden. I have a pass rush because they

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Speaker 4: drafted two guys and picked up Leonard Floyd. I like

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Speaker 4: the Falcons a lot. Here, Colin, I'm interested. This team

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Speaker 4: is interesting with.

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Speaker 3: Pennix Bijon, I'm not in your pass rush.

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving you all my picks on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Oh my bad.

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Speaker 1: You want me to just hand over my hand? Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I like Atlanta too. I've just lost a small fortune

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Speaker 1: through the year's betting.

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Speaker 6: Also true.

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Speaker 3: Jmack with the News.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping that the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking about this, j Mac. So

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just easier to draft defense. It's just easier

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Speaker 1: to find a game wrecker and a playwrecker than somebody

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Speaker 1: that fits into a great scheme. I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: If you go look at Brady in New England. His

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Speaker 1: last year in New England, he was twelve and four,

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Speaker 1: but it was mostly because of the defense. Belichick could

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Speaker 1: still get the defense right. The offense had no receivers

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Speaker 1: his last couple of years, and then when he left,

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Speaker 1: their offense got even worse. If you look at Kansas

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Speaker 1: City right now, their defense is fine. The problem is

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Speaker 1: they can't find a running back. They can't get a

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Speaker 1: receiver that can stay on the field. They can't necessarily

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Speaker 1: find a replacement for Travis Kelce and once again they're

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Speaker 1: old lines in a rebuild is that it's probably just

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Speaker 1: harder to draft offense than it is defense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but before bow Knicks was great and they got the

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Speaker 1: defense figured out in Denver, and Sean Payton's an offensive guy.

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Speaker 1: So like Franklin, this year for the Broncos is really good,

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Speaker 1: but last year was a little lost, and it usually

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Speaker 1: takes tight ends. Warren's already really good for the Colts,

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Speaker 1: but it usually takes tight ends like a second year

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Speaker 1: to develop wide receivers. Brady and Aaron Rodgers as they

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Speaker 1: got older really struggled with young receivers learning the system.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's very obvious. Greg Cosell talked about this.

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Speaker 1: When you play Kansas City, Yeah, you don't have to worry.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about the perimeter. That's where

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Speaker 1: they've struggled. That's why they keep bringing Juju Smith Schuster back.

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Speaker 1: That's where they keep bringing guys back. Here's Greg Cosell

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Speaker 1: on what the Eagles did defensively against Mahomes in.

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Speaker 6: This game last week.

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Speaker 5: They blitzed quite a bit, a high percentage for Vic Fangio,

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Speaker 5: and they played a lot more man coverage, So he

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Speaker 5: came with a totally different defensive tactical approach.

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Speaker 6: So it's not one thing.

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Speaker 5: There is a sense, and it could be a function

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Speaker 5: of the receivers, but I think there's a sense right

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Speaker 5: now among teams that what you want to do with

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Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes and the pass game is really clog the

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Speaker 5: middle of the field and make him work outside.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look at the New York Giants. They've had

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Speaker 1: good defensive personnel for several years. They can't get the

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Speaker 1: offense right. Even when they get the left tackle right,

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Speaker 1: he's always hurt.

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Speaker 3: Look at the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Jets have excellent defensive players, it's been the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback spot. They can't get that right. Can't find

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Speaker 1: anybody beyond Garrett Wilson. I mean, you look around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears have played defense before, it's usually the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and the offensive line Chicago struggles with. It's just

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Speaker 1: it looks like now there are some teams where I

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Speaker 1: think the defensive personnel. I think the Colts offensive personnel

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Speaker 1: is actually better than their defense. They they don't have

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Speaker 1: a superstar quarterback, but it just may be easier to

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Speaker 1: find the game wrecker than the playmaker is because on offense,

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Speaker 1: everything has to fit with your coach and your quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You may get a really good receiver, but he doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily he can't. You know, he's young. It took Quinton

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Speaker 1: Johnson look at the receiver. J Mack look at the

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Speaker 1: receiver for the Chargers. He is now emerging in year three.

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Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, the light finally is on for Quentin Johnson.

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Speaker 1: First year he looked like a bust. Last year he

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Speaker 1: couldn't catch, get the hands. Like a defensive guy. You

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Speaker 1: come into the NFL, blow stuff up, you know, just

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Speaker 1: just just blow stuff up, play fast, and I mean

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Speaker 1: a keep to lead. One time I asked him about this.

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Speaker 1: I said, you and you went from like Denver to

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Speaker 1: New England?

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Speaker 3: Was it hard?

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Speaker 1: He goes, second practice, I knew what Belichick wanted. Noah

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Speaker 1: Faddleman took four years to work himself into Brady and

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Speaker 1: he's a he's an all time postseason stud. A keep

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Speaker 1: to leave told me. Into the second practice, he goes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really easy defense. So I think when I look

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Speaker 1: at Mahomes and I look at Brady, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: work with those guys. They don't They demand a lot

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Speaker 1: from their linemen, their backs, tight ends, and receiver.

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Speaker 4: All right, So I'm just thinking out loud here listening

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Speaker 4: to you. Haven't done a ton of research on this,

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Speaker 4: but it almost sounds like what you're saying is for defense,

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Speaker 4: it's easier to draft because it's seaball tackle ball, chase ball, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: But on offense, not everybody's twitched up and can get open.

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Speaker 4: Maybe for offense, when you're drafting receivers, you draft for

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Speaker 4: the scheme.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan, Juwan Jennings.

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Speaker 4: Seventh round pick, That guy looks like a stud, right,

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Speaker 4: you know, if you get the guy who.

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Speaker 3: Can, it's more about the scheme than the guy.

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Speaker 4: Like Josh McDaniels would turn Edelman, Wes Welker, Chris Hogan

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Speaker 4: a lacrosse player.

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Speaker 3: You can just scheme them open, that's right.

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Speaker 4: But defensively, uniquely, gotta find guys who can make plays.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 1: It's very rare in the NFL when you draft a

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Speaker 1: guy and you're like, man, he is unblockable. It works. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I just any scheme. Mike is gonna work in

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Speaker 1: any scheme. Aaron Donald works in any scheme. But you

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Speaker 1: can have Again, you can have a receiver who's the

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Speaker 1: fastest guy on the team, but if the quarterback doesn't

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Speaker 1: trust him. Quentin Johnson first two years, he had the drops.

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Speaker 1: I mean they just justin Herbert didn't trust him in

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Speaker 1: big spots.

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Speaker 4: I have a Keenan Allen was a third round pick.

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Speaker 4: He is an elite receiver. That guy's a stud.

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Speaker 3: He didn't go early. I'm on Ross Saint Brown, who

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Speaker 3: you love? Fifth round? Yeah, by the way, was I'm

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Speaker 3: on Ross Saint Brown? Incredible at USC?

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Speaker 1: He was really really good. But again it just he

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Speaker 1: was really really good. He was a great high school player,

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Speaker 1: but he kind of plateaued at USC when he was

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Speaker 1: always a hard worker. Dad was like a bodybuilder. He

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Speaker 1: always ran great routes. He was always a smart kid

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Speaker 1: that you like. He squeezed every ounce of his town.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he'd be nearly that good in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: You know what else he was. He's always wide open

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Speaker 4: in the Ben Johnson scheme. I mean he's just running

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Speaker 4: around open everywhere.