WEBVTT - An Era of One w/ Devin Walker

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<v Speaker 1>Hey friends, it's me Devin Simone.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Devin, whoop, whoo whoo.

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<v Speaker 2>What an episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all the fields. I'd say this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most intense deliberations. And I don't mean intense from

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<v Speaker 1>like yelling arguing, but just like it's literally all power

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<v Speaker 1>players sitting there and then Rachel at the head and

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<v Speaker 1>so good. Yeah, it just it was Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like there was it was no there was no winning

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in a way because it's it's all just

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<v Speaker 1>really key players that are and she was sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>like the queen that she is. Yes, she was.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so happy to see her win one finally

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<v Speaker 1>to get a much deserved break. Oh, it felt so good.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you feel, day?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was amazing. I thought it was absolutely amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did not like was the way they was

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<v Speaker 2>jumping My friend Josh and this episoirl.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have got to be tired from trying

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<v Speaker 1>to carry and defend this man all season.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm tired. I got nothing else to get because it's

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<v Speaker 2>too much. It's too much, and I'm just Josh, you

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<v Speaker 2>need to come, hey, come on the podcast, because I

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<v Speaker 2>need you to speak for yourself. But this episode was

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<v Speaker 2>actually really really good. I'm so like, it was hard

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<v Speaker 2>for me to find a time out.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's a go star, okay, because if you do your

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<v Speaker 1>goal star? Are we rationing this week again, David?

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<v Speaker 2>I have two Let's split it right in half.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm split it right in half, my go star.

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<v Speaker 2>Half of it is going to go to the Queen

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel herself. She gets one all half all to herself,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other half I'm gonna give to Jordan. I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot express the feels that I had watching him do

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<v Speaker 2>that challenge with one hand, the way that he the

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<v Speaker 2>camera at some point zooms in on his other hand

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<v Speaker 2>where he's trying to grip the.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You see in his eyes. Nothing's gonna stop him. He's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna fight, he's gonna give it his all. And just

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<v Speaker 2>to see him, I mean, we see it every season.

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<v Speaker 2>This is nothing new. This conversation has been happening every

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<v Speaker 2>single season that he does. But there's just no quit like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no nothing. He will not be conquered by anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Like He's like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna make

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<v Speaker 2>it happen. And it was just so I was just

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<v Speaker 2>so I was like, yeah, Jordan, like do it like

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<v Speaker 2>it was just it was so good. So that is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm gonna do. And then back to Rachel, not

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<v Speaker 2>just because you know, she's in it by herself and

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<v Speaker 2>she's doing the thing, which she is. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, watching her navigate this episode as a solo

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<v Speaker 2>player was just so good. It was so good to watch. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that is That's how I'm doing my start this week.

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<v Speaker 2>How about you.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a couple of nominees. No nominees are different

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<v Speaker 1>than getting the start. Okay, we've seen award shows. We

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<v Speaker 1>know they get the nominees and then you so a couple.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Video Vanguard, only one person who's nominated

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<v Speaker 1>and wins. So so here are my nominees for this

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<v Speaker 1>week's gold Star. First up, we have Rachel. Rachel holding

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<v Speaker 1>on like a g literally turn around me like y'all

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<v Speaker 1>might want to go take lunch like such a g

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<v Speaker 1>doing the math problems and being so fearless in the

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<v Speaker 1>face of adversity. Because I don't think we talk enough

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<v Speaker 1>about what has got to happen to your mental when

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<v Speaker 1>you are targeted week after week and you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're on an island, Yeah, in a den amongst thieves,

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<v Speaker 1>Like just really like that's hard. And we have seen

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<v Speaker 1>people break with for support than what she has, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so for her to show up with that energy

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<v Speaker 1>every single time with her eye on the prize is

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<v Speaker 1>just astounding. So she's a nominie. Also, Casey is a

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<v Speaker 1>g can we just I feel like Casey doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>enough props, mainly because Casey's not usually in the heat

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<v Speaker 1>of the drama, right, Like Casey just kind of lays

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<v Speaker 1>back in the cut. But Casey is a sniper. Casey

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<v Speaker 1>is so talented, so good and just a great player

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<v Speaker 1>all around and great person. So Casey's a nominee. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Nia and Maya and his meditating, I mean Nia

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<v Speaker 1>and Mayah went up there, shook an arm off a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. He probably paid his taxes while he was

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<v Speaker 1>up there. I mean, he just made it look so

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<v Speaker 1>easy and that was very impressive. So those are my

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<v Speaker 1>three nominees. But ultimately the gold Star is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be handed to per Queen Rachel. I'm so glad to

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<v Speaker 1>see her on top. She has fought every single day,

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<v Speaker 1>like the whole time to sort of get there well deserved,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited to see how it continues to go

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<v Speaker 1>and how it continues to play who get your Who's

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<v Speaker 1>your time out of the week?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it was hard for me to pick somebody

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<v Speaker 2>for time out? But then this one person said this

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<v Speaker 2>one little thing, and I was just like, why would

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<v Speaker 2>you do that? And so you said a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>great things about this person in your gold Star nominations,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great things, and I agree with every

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<v Speaker 2>single great thing you said about this person. However, is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go to Casey? Reason because she went after Casey. No,

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<v Speaker 2>not not just that, but it was what she said.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, maybe we should kick him out of the

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<v Speaker 2>vacation Alliance and I and as we know, Josh, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying strictly personal, nothing game. He's gonna watch that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that's gonna hurt his feelings and he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be somewhere in the corner crying because how much

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<v Speaker 2>he loves you, Like, why would you say that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because you felt it, Why would you say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he loves her so much, then maybe he should

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<v Speaker 1>have stepped up to try and help save her. Not

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<v Speaker 1>you caring? But what what what?

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<v Speaker 2>What? What could he say to Rachel? Do you really

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<v Speaker 2>think Josh could have persuaded something to not do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And he could have said something better than do what

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta do? I mean, you talk about him being offended,

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<v Speaker 1>what about Casey being offended that he basically was like.

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<v Speaker 2>But Casey's not gonna take that person when the season raps,

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<v Speaker 2>Casey's not gonna take that home.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, Josh should leave that good. You cannot all be

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for Josh's emotions, all right, at some point you

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<v Speaker 1>have to take your healing journey and be responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>not getting your own emotions. Well, then you'll love my

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<v Speaker 1>time outses. So my time out nominees. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>is our guest for this week, Devin, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where he was in that Like I again,

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<v Speaker 1>he was giving he was giving Drell energy. Remember Darrell

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<v Speaker 1>in the sand the other week where he just it

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<v Speaker 1>was like he was so intently focused on the one

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<v Speaker 1>thing instead of the bigger picture. Because we know Devn's capable. Now, granted,

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<v Speaker 1>Kylan's a worthy opponent in this situation. Goodness, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like what was Devn doing, and then the other nomination

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<v Speaker 1>goes to Josh and not. You know, I'm not the

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<v Speaker 1>only who feels this way. When the editors start playing

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<v Speaker 1>little violins talking about mess, he does it to himself.

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<v Speaker 1>So my actual award is going to Josh and Josh

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<v Speaker 1>talking about leaning on the edge of the container, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to hang in the look you can defend this man

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<v Speaker 1>all he was trying to save his friend. That's absolutely nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely the de Lulu is real real. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>needs to get you on payroll, He needs to get

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<v Speaker 1>you a card as the leader of the Josh fan club.

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<v Speaker 1>This boy is being a hot mess. He definitely gets

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<v Speaker 1>the Time out of the week. Also, an honorable mention

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<v Speaker 1>has to go to the editors. They are killing me

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<v Speaker 1>when they showed me a Mayah like sitting there meditating,

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<v Speaker 1>when we see tall in slow and then when they

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<v Speaker 1>start playing the violinsic Josh, and then when they had

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<v Speaker 1>the little superimposed what was it Tory on one side

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<v Speaker 1>and then on the other side it was Josh. It

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<v Speaker 1>was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, remember when I think I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>dev and said when a Vacation Alliance member gets eliminated,

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<v Speaker 2>like they steal their soul. Or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they seem they're taking it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it was so.

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<v Speaker 1>Good that person needs to raise, like, shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>you because the comedy is hilarious. Okay, this may be

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<v Speaker 1>day the last week that we get to do ARA

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<v Speaker 1>rankings because we don't know it's an it's an individual

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<v Speaker 1>game now, thank god, because at least Rachel has a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel like also a regularly Laurel team up. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>can you if you I mean like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's terrifying, actually literally terrifying, literally terrifying, more terrifying

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<v Speaker 4>than two devons on one podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrifying. That is super scary. Who what's your rankings for

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<v Speaker 1>the eras this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so Gold, I'm definitely giving it to error. Rachel

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<v Speaker 2>for Gold, Rachel for Silver, Era two, Bronca Era three,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Patient my era because why, I think they

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<v Speaker 2>kind of dropped the ball this week. I really feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they dropped the ball this week. Yeah, that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fair for sure, Like I think that in that

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<v Speaker 2>math they all relied on Kylon. That should have been

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<v Speaker 2>a team and yeah, you could have got more pigs,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Don't just say oh, he's

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<v Speaker 2>the calculator. So he's gonna do all the work. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he might miss something as he did, you know, so

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<v Speaker 2>yeah they fumbled.

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<v Speaker 1>How about you're fair for getting the gold medal? This

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<v Speaker 1>week for me is Aara Rachel for sure, done and done.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how many of us, truly, as we watched

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<v Speaker 1>this game, how many of us could say that as

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<v Speaker 1>an individual, we would take out these other teams like

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<v Speaker 1>that's just a ball and move in all the ways.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say silver would have to go to Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Era two gets my silver. You know, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything outstanding, but they, like you know, played a

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<v Speaker 1>good and smart game. I'd say Era three this is

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<v Speaker 1>tough only because of Devon's performance kind of drags the

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<v Speaker 1>average down, I feel like, But otherwise I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and give them the bronze. And participation is to

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<v Speaker 1>Era four, but largely because I don't know how I

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<v Speaker 1>feel about Kyland picking Jenny again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I feel about that. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel very good. And Kylin's gonna find out. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>learn about going against these strong people, these strong women,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna keep watching so we can find out

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Also We're gonna find out about this week's elimination.

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<v Speaker 1>We are gonna find out what's going on with Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>and Devin. We are going to find out all the

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<v Speaker 1>things thanks to our upcoming guest, Devin Walker. So make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you grab us and you can go take lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Rachel said, also sign up for Rachel Fitness because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it works. If you ever need to hang thirty

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<v Speaker 1>feet over water, if you train like Rachel, you can

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<v Speaker 1>do it. So sign up for that. But then make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you don't go anywhere because when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a fabulous interview with Devin Walker.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello. Friends, super excited about this episode. I am currently

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a Devin and Devin sandwich. I

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<v Speaker 2>have Devin Simone on one end and Devin Walker on

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<v Speaker 2>the other end. Give it up. Devin Walker is here

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<v Speaker 2>to join us on the podcast. People who.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me, ladies. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Dev. But hello, how are you have you untangled

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<v Speaker 1>any cords lately?

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot great opening question and I just I literally

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<v Speaker 3>just moved. So I'm finding like, uh, I've noticed this

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<v Speaker 3>about myself. I'm like a airplane headphone hoarder. Interesting and

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<v Speaker 3>I have them all in a tangled web that just

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<v Speaker 3>like eighteen hours ago through in the trash can because

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'm not redoing this. I know I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be here all day. I know how this goes.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Well, we don't love to see you go,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's hilarious. Also, Dev We're gonna need to get

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<v Speaker 1>you some Bluetooth headphones so that we can help your.

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<v Speaker 3>So I like the wires because I read some weird

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<v Speaker 3>thing about Bluetooth like going through your brain and then

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<v Speaker 3>like like being like, it's I don't know, it's I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not I'm not what. We would probably have to ask

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<v Speaker 3>Kyland about this, but there's something going on with Bluetooth headphones.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Kylan would definitely know. I want to dive right into

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<v Speaker 2>this episode because this wasn't This episode was actually power packed.

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<v Speaker 2>We started this episode all with this disagreement between you

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<v Speaker 2>and But what's the deal? I thought you guys were

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<v Speaker 2>like smoothing things over. What did the beef come back? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>What's what's going on? Walk us through that disagreement you

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<v Speaker 2>guys had.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so happy to finally share my side of this story.

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<v Speaker 3>I have been silent all season, waiting for a platform,

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<v Speaker 3>a credible platform. Yeah, to release my opinion, and let

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<v Speaker 3>me tell you exactly, verbatim, how this happened. So it

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<v Speaker 3>actually started before the season and I went to an

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<v Speaker 3>event at Johnny's gym, and afterwards we went out, we

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<v Speaker 3>had drinks, and Tory was also there, and he says, essentially,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't be on forty for too long. I have

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<v Speaker 3>too much stuff going on here. And in my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, okay, this is the oldest trick in

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<v Speaker 3>the book, and it's just a tactic to move through

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<v Speaker 3>the first part of the game without anybody targeting you,

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<v Speaker 3>because oftentimes if people don't know the trick, they believe

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<v Speaker 3>you and they assume, okay, well this person's gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not really be all the way in it. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 3>lose on purpose, but like they got one foot out

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<v Speaker 3>the door, right. I knew it was not true from

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning. So we get into the house and he

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<v Speaker 3>brings it up again at the toga party and essentially says,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, listen, I got about three weeks in me

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<v Speaker 3>here and then I got a launch, got so much

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<v Speaker 3>other stuff going on. And I say to him, very

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<v Speaker 3>very clearly, I do not believe you. And if this

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<v Speaker 3>is an attempt to manipulate me into not coming for you,

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<v Speaker 3>which I wasn't anyways, then I'm gonna take that as

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<v Speaker 3>a shot, right, because you clearly have ulterior motives. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So you say three weeks, if you're still here after five,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to help you pack your bags, And I

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<v Speaker 3>said it exactly like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And other people could hear you? Like this was in

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<v Speaker 1>front of a group or was it just the two

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<v Speaker 1>of you, guys?

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<v Speaker 3>There was other people around. We were having a one

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<v Speaker 3>on one conversation. But he's referenced this several times that

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<v Speaker 3>I just randomly said at the halfway point, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>try to get you out of the game. I said

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<v Speaker 3>that because his tactic didn't work on me. I knew

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<v Speaker 3>that it wasn't true. And it's ct has done this,

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<v Speaker 3>Zach has done this, Johnny has done this. Well, A

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people have done this because they've watched it work.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a really good way if you're a good player,

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<v Speaker 3>to diffuse people, essentially by saying, listen, I don't I

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<v Speaker 3>can't be here for the whole time. It's too long.

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<v Speaker 3>I got stuff going on at home, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 3>a wedding, whatever responsibilities you have at home, I have

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<v Speaker 3>to get back to those. It's more important, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people that don't know that will fall

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<v Speaker 3>for it. So I just said, very clearly, you said

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<v Speaker 3>three weeks, I'll give you five. If you're still here

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<v Speaker 3>after five weeks, i'm gonna help you go. And at

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<v Speaker 3>that point he was unable to backtrack and say, well, actually,

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<v Speaker 3>I was, you know, essentially trying to fool you, and

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<v Speaker 3>let's let's not do this because that would be admitting

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<v Speaker 3>that he attempted to fool me. Yeah, so that's where

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<v Speaker 3>it started. And as he watches my relationship with Michelle develop,

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<v Speaker 3>and he knows that I have an obviously very strong

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with Toy. Michelle is you know, best friends with Ola.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of ties there, right, right. So he's

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<v Speaker 3>looking at all of those relationships like he's in a

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<v Speaker 3>very Johnny way of looking at things. It's all about me.

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<v Speaker 3>He's building these relationships to help stalk his arsenal for

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<v Speaker 3>when he comes for me, which I don't care to

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<v Speaker 3>do ever. I've always played this game, and we'll always

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<v Speaker 3>play this game with the potentially delusional mindset that I

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<v Speaker 3>can beat anybody in a final, so I don't care who.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care who goes. I really don't, but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like getting lied to.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you think that was the impetus of him

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<v Speaker 1>saying what he said to Michelle? Because I will say

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<v Speaker 1>as a viewer, not knowing this context, which is so helpful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And as a view we also I also like to

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<v Speaker 1>see even Benanas sort of getting along and all of that,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's nice when everybody fights and thing comes together

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<v Speaker 1>just as a whole, right, And so we see that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we see him talking to Michelle, and as

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<v Speaker 1>a viewer, it looks initially like it was at a concern,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like, hey, I care for you, just make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you know blah bla blah blah blah. But now

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<v Speaker 1>with all the context you're sharing and seeing how it's

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<v Speaker 1>playing out more and more, do you feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>why he planned? Like that's why he said what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Points Well, this.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't a matter of opinion on my part. We can

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<v Speaker 3>roll the footage which plays before this episode of him

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<v Speaker 3>sitting down with Jenny and saying, Devin and Michelle are

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<v Speaker 3>a problem. I need to break that up. He's using

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<v Speaker 3>her for game.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you think he really thought you were using

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<v Speaker 1>her or do you think he like, do you know

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, because I don't mean yeah, obviously you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be it would be a really, really long play.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be an aggressively long play.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, you're aiming for season fifty dev we

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<v Speaker 1>get we're onto you. You're mastermind in that way.

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<v Speaker 3>I am, you know, just really really stretching this out. No,

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<v Speaker 3>so he may have genuinely thought that. I what I

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<v Speaker 3>believe is that obviously Michelle has been in some sitch

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<v Speaker 3>situations where that was the case. We saw it happen

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<v Speaker 3>with Callum on thirty nine, and then they played USA

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<v Speaker 3>two together. And Me and Michelle had had kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a relationship in the past where it was unclear to

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<v Speaker 3>me the feelings that she had to me and had

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<v Speaker 3>for me, And so I was recently single and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like, would you meet up when we were in

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<v Speaker 3>the same city and we would have long phone calls

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. But I was not under the impression that

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<v Speaker 3>she felt the way that she did about me. So

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<v Speaker 3>she goes on USA too, I guess, and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>confides in Johnny about how she's not really happy with

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<v Speaker 3>our relationship. So he does have some insider information. But

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<v Speaker 3>what I believe that he did, knowing the information about

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<v Speaker 3>thirty nine, and this is a really uncool thing to do,

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<v Speaker 3>is he used a point of vulnerability against her to

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<v Speaker 3>attempt to drive a wedge between our relationship. By saying,

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<v Speaker 3>this is something that has happened to you before, you

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<v Speaker 3>looked foolish, this is something that is happening again now,

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<v Speaker 3>knowing that the easiest way to manipulate somebody is to

0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.680
<v Speaker 3>use a vulnerability against them, and in my opinion, I

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<v Speaker 3>would never do that to a friend. The other point

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<v Speaker 3>that I'd like to make is by saying that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>doing that knowing that this had already happened to somebody else,

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<v Speaker 3>You're either lying outright or you think I am a

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<v Speaker 3>complete scumbag. Yeah, and at this point we are not.

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<v Speaker 3>We're friendly. I don't know if you would consider me

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<v Speaker 3>to be a friend, but like if I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>your gym to do an event for you, or at.

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<v Speaker 2>Least well at least friendly, something right.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can't think that I'm an absolute scumbag. So

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<v Speaker 3>the only other available option there is that you are

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<v Speaker 3>using something that somebody has confided in you against them

0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 3>for or game. So now it's he said, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>But in my opinion, knowing he knows, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 3>bad person, So assuming that I would do that to

0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 3>a good to a close friend of mine and Michelle,

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<v Speaker 3>to manipulate her the same way somebody did, and I

0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.199
<v Speaker 3>watched her have to deal with that, and I watched

0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.800
<v Speaker 3>how difficult it was for her to then put my

0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:24.439
<v Speaker 3>insert myself in that role in to do it to

0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:29.640
<v Speaker 3>her again would mean I am a horrible person. Yeah,

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.360
<v Speaker 3>So to answer your question, it's a lengthy answer, but no,

0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he thought I was using her for game.

0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 3>I thought he was trying to use a vulnerability of

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<v Speaker 3>hers to manipulate her.

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<v Speaker 1>And and I appreciate you sharing that and not to

0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:45.000
<v Speaker 1>get all up in your relationship business, but obviously I

0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.480
<v Speaker 1>have a question as a matchmaker, really quick, what was

0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you said that before you weren't sure that Michelle had

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<v Speaker 1>these like the feeling she had towards you, and watching

0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.199
<v Speaker 1>it blossom how you guys have been handling things now

0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 1>has been really lovely. I saw her the other day

0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:58.560
<v Speaker 1>and we were talking about it. It's just really beautiful.

0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.160
<v Speaker 1>What was the thing? It's interesting also because you're so perceptive,

0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and I think this highlight sometimes the way people think differently.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the thing that finally made it click for

0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you this season? Like, Oh, this really could be a thing,

0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Like she you know, she has feeling to me, I

0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.800
<v Speaker 1>have feelings for her, Like what was the switch? If

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<v Speaker 1>before it never really like came on your radar?

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<v Speaker 3>She told me, Yeah, I have. I have noticed this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't think it's a gender specific situation, but

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<v Speaker 3>I've definitely noticed this in the past where people want

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of play it cool and maybe among their

0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:40.479
<v Speaker 3>friends they're saying how they actually feel, but with the

0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.320
<v Speaker 3>person that they have those feelings for, they're not being

0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:48.679
<v Speaker 3>completely up front exactly. And so I don't doubt that

0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 3>she thinks that she was like leaving a trail of

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 3>breadcrumbs that I would figure out. But as as much

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<v Speaker 3>credit as I get for being one of the smart

0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:00.239
<v Speaker 3>people on the show, I'm a moron, especially when it

0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.399
<v Speaker 3>comes to relationships. So it's like I needed her to

0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.000
<v Speaker 3>look me in the eye and tell me how she felt,

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<v Speaker 3>because I was never going to just make an assumption

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 3>that an absolute funny, like kind hearted rocket was into me.

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so were you into her this whole time though,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just kind of felt like, oh, I don't

0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.240
<v Speaker 1>want to ruin the friendship or I don't want to.

0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:26.119
<v Speaker 3>I always had, like I always knew there was a

0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:30.560
<v Speaker 3>potential there. And when I ended my last relationship, actually

0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:35.600
<v Speaker 3>it ended. It was ended for me immediately after I

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.080
<v Speaker 3>got home from filming thirty eight, which was hilarious. I

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:39.879
<v Speaker 3>was like, finally won. And then I came back and

0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.760
<v Speaker 3>immediately got dumped, and I was like, oh Jesus, it

0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:44.719
<v Speaker 3>was like three months away, we're coming home to this.

0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.959
<v Speaker 3>The universe really does balance itself. But I said to myself,

0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.400
<v Speaker 3>if I were to have another girlfriend at some point,

0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.919
<v Speaker 3>it would be Michelle, because I knew how I felt

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:57.959
<v Speaker 3>about her, and I think it was kind of an

0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 3>unspoken thing for both of us, but we were pretty close. Yeah,

0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.919
<v Speaker 3>and then obviously she moves well not moves on, but

0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.400
<v Speaker 3>she starts dating somebody else on the show. I had

0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:09.720
<v Speaker 3>kind of started to see other people as well, and

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I guess it did take a Vietnamese castle to bring

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 3>us to where we needed to go, But yeah, it

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 3>was it was unclear for me, it was unclear how

0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 3>she felt about me until she said it directly to me.

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, props to Michelle for putting it out there, for

0:23:27.160 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 1>being vulnerable and just doing the dang thing. Yeah, it's good.

0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoy watching you guys this season and the

0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:38.639
<v Speaker 2>other podcast episodes we've done. I always say that you

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:40.720
<v Speaker 2>are her and she is you. You guys are like

0:23:40.800 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the same person. And just watching you guys navigate through

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the season together, it was really really good to watch,

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 2>really really good to watch. So yea, I'm rooted for

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:50.200
<v Speaker 2>you guys so much.

0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that. I think, I mean, I would personally

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 3>as a gambling man, I'll take the over on any

0:23:57.560 --> 0:24:01.119
<v Speaker 3>line that's set for how long that relationship is going

0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 3>to go for, because I mean, I love her. She's great, so.

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So sweet, Oh deb how far one has come. And

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:13.679
<v Speaker 1>when she was talking about you the other day when

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.639
<v Speaker 1>I start her, she was just glowing, like literally glowing, and.

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:18.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that's the bronzer.

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Well she was very bronze and glowing also, but her

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 1>face was glowing in a way when she started talking

0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.959
<v Speaker 1>about you, And so so happy to see where this

0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:31.680
<v Speaker 1>goes and so happy that you guys have taken this

0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 1>journey together. Now let's get into a little bit more

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:41.679
<v Speaker 1>of this journey, starting with the actual challenge. Right, So,

0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 1>you're good at math, we know you're good at puzzles,

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>and you're a good strategist. What was your strategy for

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>this particular game?

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:53.840
<v Speaker 3>So there wasn't a ton of strategy there. It was

0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 3>like we knew we had less people. So the way

0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 3>that it worked out is based on the the equations

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 3>that you solve. Everybody on your team has to get

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:08.040
<v Speaker 3>two pegs before anyone can get three or four. So

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 3>at this point it's just with Avery having left in

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:18.240
<v Speaker 3>the last episode, we only have five players, so we

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 3>know where our target goal is going to be, somewhere

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 3>around that twelve thirteen to fourteen mark. And no shade

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:28.719
<v Speaker 3>at Naya. She will be the first to admit this.

0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 3>We knew as soon as the rules were explained this

0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:33.879
<v Speaker 3>was not going to be her game. She said it

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 3>flat out, I don't have grip strength. I'm afraid of heights.

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be hanging up there. So we

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 3>kind of knew, all right, Naya's going to get two.

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Toy's tory is on the chopping block, so we want

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 3>to give her the best opportunity she can have. Jordan's great,

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:52.919
<v Speaker 3>so we're going to kind of spread them out between Jordan, Tory,

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:58.159
<v Speaker 3>and myself. So our strategy was really focus on getting

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.160
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter how many we get as so long

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 3>as we eclipse twelve, thirteen or fourteen and give two

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 3>people on our chance, a good two people on our

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 3>team a good shot. In retrospect, I guess it would

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 3>have been I guess we could have solved more equations,

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 3>but that just I don't I just don't think that

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 3>wasn't our game. No shaite at Jordan, but he's got,

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, one hand, Corey's two hundred and thirty five pounds.

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I'm particularly known for my grip strength. So, like,

0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 3>you go right down the list, and it was like

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 3>some some challenges are built for you as a as

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 3>an era and some aren't. In this one just wasn't you.

0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Know when you're watching Rachel right, because of course we

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 2>don't know the times in that moment, how long did

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 2>it seem like she had been up there?

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh it was a wht. We we knew about halfway

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:52.199
<v Speaker 3>through Rachel's round that she won. Really like we were

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:53.919
<v Speaker 3>going to hold on as long as everyone was going

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 3>to hold on as long as they could. But again,

0:26:56.600 --> 0:27:00.679
<v Speaker 3>you go down the list of people that could you know,

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 3>beat her, Theo's not winning, that Josh isn't winning, that's

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Kyleon's not winning, that Olivia's not winning. That like Casey

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 3>and Michelle had a shot, Jenny had a shot, but

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Jenny has no motivation to win. And it was just

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 3>like there was only a couple people. I thought, you know,

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 3>maybe Tory had a chance. Neiamiyah was a sleeper. I

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 3>didn't think he.

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Had that Andy and he even shook one hand off,

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>like if you saw that, he like relaxed one hand

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>for a minute. My goodness.

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a very impressive performance. And again, in hindsight, if

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 3>three or four lost with Rachel having one, I know

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 3>that we did this whole pretend to be on the

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 3>fence thing. She was salivating, salivating. There was never a

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:52.160
<v Speaker 3>chance that she was not going to save Ryan and Laurel.

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 3>There was never a chance that she wasn't going to

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 3>take that pie in the sky matchup so she can

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 3>say all she wants. She was open to hearing people

0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 3>out there. There was nothing that could have derailed that

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 3>with the exception, and we touched on this later in

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 3>the episode of potentially Josh saying this will be a

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 3>kill shot for our alliance. That was the only chance

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 3>we had was that. I think at that point Josh

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:21.719
<v Speaker 3>was Rachel's number one, so he could have said, listen,

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 3>this is gonna really be an absolute detriment to me

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 3>moving forward. If you take this shot, it's going to

0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 3>mean that you don't have my best interest in mind.

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I have a question as far as the pigs when

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 2>you're up there, what were the rules, Devin, Because there

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>was a point when Casey was up there by herself,

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>right and there were all of these pegs from everyone

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>else who fail? Was she not allowed to steal other people's?

0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Could she not be on theirs?

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 3>No? So you had only your pegs that were assigned

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 3>to you, So the first ones you touched were yours

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 3>for the whole challenge. If people dropped, you couldn't switch

0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 3>an arm over or use theirs. And that was that

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 3>was clear. That wasn't like it's not like anyone was

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 3>confused about that. It was it was very clear.

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, how clear were the rules? Since Josh thought he

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>could stand on the legs you know, yeah, I mean.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 3>Josh didn't think he could, but the option was fall

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 3>or see if I can get away with it.

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:21.200
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's so hilarious. Do you so back to

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the point you were making around the alliance and Rachel

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>salivating right to target the vacation alliance and Josh potentially

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>coming in to save you. Two questions about that one.

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, not to save me, not save you.

0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't mean that specifically, but yeah,

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:37.719
<v Speaker 1>like to make a different decision in her vote and

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>who she's sent in. Do you feel like that Josh's

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of loyalty is even that strong and valuable because

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>we've seen what he's been doing. Like if you were Rachel,

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 1>if you were in Rachel's position and Josh is threatening,

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>like you're breaking our alliance, do you feel like you

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>would see that alliance is valuable because Josh is been

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>is proven this season not to be helpful with most

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>of the alliances he's in, So like, do you think

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that really would have made a difference. I guess if

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>he had led that case to Rachel and said, Okay,

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>well my alliance with you is done if you go

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>for you know, make that choice.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, We'll never know because that's not what happened. So

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 3>I know this, it couldn't have hurt.

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it was worth a try.

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 3>I think it was absolutely worth a try. And in

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 3>doing that, it was a little too late in the

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 3>game to have called him out, actually, because everything had

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 3>already transpired. But I tried to have conversations with josh

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 3>periodically throughout the game. When Jenny first nominated me, she

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 3>had come to Josh and she had asked, you know,

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 3>do you have an opinion on who I should pick

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 3>as a target? Devn R Cory, And he admitted to

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 3>saying this. He said, you know, you have to do

0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 3>what you have to do. I'm essentially indifferent. So that

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 3>was like strike one right, and he apologized for that.

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 3>He said, I have to take the yel on this one. I,

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, am trying to keep my hands clean. And

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 3>he essentially said to all of us. We had a

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 3>sit down with the Vacation Alliance, with Tory, with Casey,

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.640
<v Speaker 3>with Joshua myself, and we all agreed the only way

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 3>this thing's going to work because at this point people

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 3>had started to try to poison the well. There was

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 3>a Vacation Alliance smear campaign going on, and the only

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 3>way to maneuver through a game with such a public alliance,

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion, is to form a unified beachfront that says,

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 3>come at one of us, you're dead.

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 1>To the rest of us.

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I really, truly I always have played that way,

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 3>if I'm really truly riding with you, which again everyone

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 3>always says, Devin makes all these deals. He does this,

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 3>he does expiring deals. I do expiring deals because I

0:31:57.880 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 3>don't want to have to lie to someone later.

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm very smart. It's actually very respectful. We talked about that,

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>and you not making that deal with Nehemiah that time

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.920
<v Speaker 1>by was beautifully done. I thought so well played and fair.

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 1>And I think the way you play seems to be

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the thing that Josh needs to learn, because that's how

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Josh gets themselves in trouble. And I actually think on

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a less it's a slightly different level because she has

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>so many enemies, you know, But I think I feel

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>like we see Leep Laurel plays the same way, where

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes there's expiring deals, sometimes there's no I won't take

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a deal sometimes, but I feel like if someone makes

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>a deal with you, whether they're in the vacation alliance,

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>or they're in something else. What's cool about it is

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>I would take your word to the bank, right, like

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I would trust Like yep, Devin said he's going to

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 1>be I'm going to do this. It is what it is.

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've played the game nine times. No one can, ever,

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 3>regardless of the smear campaigns that go around, regardless of

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 3>people that are intimidated by my style of gameplay attempting

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 3>to discredit this or credit me as a manipulator, you

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 3>can point. No one can point to a single moment

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 3>in any of these games. And I encourage someone to

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 3>find one. Find one example of when I told somebody

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 3>that I would do something and then I didn't do it.

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 3>One example. Go back to Double Agents. We had blind voting.

0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 3>Every every time we sat together, I would say here's

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 3>what I'm voting for. Then I would go in a

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 3>room where no one else even was and I would

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 3>make that vote. M hm. So I don't. It's just

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I have no interest in lying in the game because

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 3>if I win, I want to feel good about it.

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Right, and we see what happens. Look at John like

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Josh's beloved, but he gets in trouble every season now

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>like it's literally every season because he says yes or

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>says okay, or doesn't say no, doesn't set boundaries, and

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>then ends up with a slew of io use that

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 1>he can't cash.

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>So let me say yeah, let me say this. Know,

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Josh is my baby, right so I'm a big beside

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 2>where we So let me let me just say this now.

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Granted Josh's I owe yous and deals and everything. They

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>may not be working for the alliance members and everything else,

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>but they're working.

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>For him, correct, But they are working for him.

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 2>But I understand, I understand that we are in a

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 2>space now where it's like you know, a team, team, team,

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 2>and you gotta support your allies. You gotta do this,

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 2>you gotta do that. The teams are.

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 3>Gone, right, So the only the only rebuttal I have

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 3>to that is that if you are going to play

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:35.319
<v Speaker 3>a game that works for you and you're in, and

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 3>you're also gonna say that you are honorable and you

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 3>keep your word, then you have to pick a side,

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 3>right Like, if you can't try to convince us that

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 3>you're playing the game for us when you're playing the

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.479
<v Speaker 3>game for yourself, it either makes you a liar, which

0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 3>could that works for people? It can't. But but you're.

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 2>A liar, okay, So I think that's okay. So I

0:35:00.920 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>think that's the key point. Was there a point where

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Josh was coming to you guys saying, Oh, because I

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 2>have a connection with such and such, I can help you.

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 3>It was absolutely made abundantly clear in the in our

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 3>four persons sit down that Josh's loyalties allegedly lied with

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 3>us and that we were going to be his priority

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 3>moving forward. As we've seen this play out, that is

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:30.080
<v Speaker 3>not the case. I love Josh. I think Josh is awesome. Yeah,

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 3>and I've noticed this actually about Survivor and Big Brother.

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 3>I'd never actually, this is a bit of a tangent,

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 3>but I'll keep it quick. I'd never watched one episode

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.319
<v Speaker 3>of Survivor, and I was at Michelle's parents house, and

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.239
<v Speaker 3>I watched the episode that she won in. And what

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 3>Michelle had to do in that last episode was convince

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 3>everybody that was going to vote that it didn't happen

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 3>by accident and that she was actively manipulating them throughout

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 3>the game. In Survivor and in Big Brother, the thing

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 3>that Josh is doing is celebrated in order to get

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 3>the votes. People need to know that you manipulated them,

0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 3>that you took the shot, that you lied, that you

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 3>did this, because everyone's doing it right, and so the

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:21.399
<v Speaker 3>hardest part of the challenge is that it's a recurring game.

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 3>It happens over and over and over again. The di

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 3>Vivor or a Big Brother. I think it's celebrated because

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 3>you're not very likely you're never going to play again,

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 3>so it's easy to kind of burn those relationships. Now.

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Obviously there's some people who are fortunate enough to play

0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 3>it two, three times, four times maybe, but you're not

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 3>playing it. You're not playing it fifteen times, right, So

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 3>that's just a difference in game style that I've noticed.

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 3>It's easier for players from Big Brother and players from

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Survivor to say that they're going to do something and

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 3>then go back on that, and they are so good.

0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Every one of them that I've met is so good

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:04.320
<v Speaker 3>that plays this way at repatching those things after they happen.

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 3>And so I think Josh is just conditioned to think, Okay,

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 3>this is what's best for me now, and I'm gonna

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 3>be able to get out of this.

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But what you're saying is because it is a

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 2>reoccurring game, he's like creating a staple on it.

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 3>I think so. And I think what Josh is going

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:28.280
<v Speaker 3>to have to do moving forward if he plays again,

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 3>is pick his horses and ride with him till the

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 3>very end. Because even in this even in this game,

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:39.239
<v Speaker 3>he's now righting wrongs that he made from USA two

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 3>with Johnny. Yeah, so his game is always going to

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 3>be Now he feels probably like he owes Casey. He

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 3>might feel a little bit like he owes me.

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>He might.

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And if you're always playing

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 3>catch up, it may work for Josh to move, you know,

0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 3>into the halfway point, maybe get towards the end. It's

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 3>going to be very, very difficult to win this game

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 3>the way that he's played it, especially because with his

0:38:08.360 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 3>skill set it's going to be difficult anyways, and now

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 3>with the reputation that he has, it's gonna be damn

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 3>near impossible. And I hate to say that because I'd

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 3>love to see Josh win, But if he doesn't massively

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 3>shift his approach to the game, he's going to have

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 3>played this game for you know, close to a decade

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 3>at some point and never have never have won.

0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh Josh, let's take a quick break, but don't worry,

0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after this.

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's get.

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:42.839
<v Speaker 3>Back to the show.

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, let's go into this elimination. I know we touched

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>on it.

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm happy to just breeze by that.

0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:57.799
<v Speaker 1>If so, the strategy walk us through initially what your

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>strategy was, just so everyone members because you kind of

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 1>explained it on the episode, but like, what exactly was

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>your initial strategy?

0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Dude, there was no strategy. I was so rattled. I'm

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 3>gonna be honest with you. It the I've never really

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 3>been like, my head's always been in the game one

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent. And I've said this so many times, and

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 3>this is absolutely not an excuse. I got my ass

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 3>kicked fair and square. Kylon was the better man that

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 3>night at that elimination. There is absolutely no excuse. My

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:38.240
<v Speaker 3>head was in so many different places. I literally remember

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:40.839
<v Speaker 3>walking into the arena and seeing the chords and being like,

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 3>this is a physical representation of my brain. And I've

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 3>been trying to untangle it for like six weeks at

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 3>this point. And if you think I was untangling those slowly,

0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 3>you should have seen the mental chords that were going

0:39:56.080 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 3>on because they were a rat's nest and I just

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 3>I can't even say I had a strategy because the

0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 3>horn blew and I just completely shit the bed. Now,

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 3>with that being said, I still probably beat seventy percent

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 3>of the people that are standing on that stage. So

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 3>it's easy for them to say to look down at

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:18.320
<v Speaker 3>it and say, oh, it was a blowout. That elimination

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 3>is tailor built for Kyland. He's cool, complexted, he's smart,

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:26.360
<v Speaker 3>he's got you know, gas. It was surprisingly tiring, So

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 3>it was that was worst case matchup for that elimination,

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 3>and on top of it, I was head in the clouds.

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 3>So again, at all credit to him, absolutely beat me.

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 3>I was not in the right mental place to put

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 3>my best effort forward. It just I beat myself in that.

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 3>I beat that version of myself in that. Yeah, one

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:52.399
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent of the time.

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you don't mind sharing what was going on

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 1>in here, because when we watch you again, we're used

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to seeing you sort of being you're called the mastermind

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 1>of the challenge. You're just kind of like playing chess

0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 1>when people are playing checkers. What was going through your

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 1>head that had you kind of sew out of it,

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 1>or that you were struggling to untangle for you know,

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.320
<v Speaker 1>those six weeks, if you don't mind sharing.

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Of course, it's so I don't do super well in

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:23.640
<v Speaker 3>a large team environment. Too many cooks make a shitty soup.

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 3>And I firmly believe that, and especially that the way

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.799
<v Speaker 3>the game was designed, it lent itself to a lot

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 3>of insecurities, and it lent itself to kind of like

0:41:38.719 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 3>a clean slate because people were getting a break from

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 3>even being able to be nominated, so for at least

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 3>two weeks, often people would just check out. So there

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:54.680
<v Speaker 3>was no like playing chess because half the people were

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 3>on the on the bench, including myself. So it was

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 3>just it was that was difficult. Playing the game for

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 3>somebody else that you care about is very difficult. I

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 3>don't care what anybody says. I've gone on records saying

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.719
<v Speaker 3>if you want to win, do not get in a relationship.

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 3>I wanted to win, of course, but I wanted to

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 3>I wanted my cake and I wanted to eat it too.

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 3>If you want the best chance at winning, don't fall

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:24.400
<v Speaker 3>in love, simple as that, and especially don't fall in

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:30.440
<v Speaker 3>love in a game that lends itself to paranoia and insecurities.

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and you guys are on different teams.

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was. I mean, Michelle says it all the

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 3>way through. She's in like a constant struggle between doing

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 3>what's best for her, doing what's best for me, and

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 3>doing what's best for her air and I'm in that

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:49.959
<v Speaker 3>same struggle, but with more. And this wasn't just bananas.

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 3>Niamiah was taking pop shots. Look at all of Corey's interviews.

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Josh is playing the way that Josh is playing. Jordan

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 3>had insecurities about me. Kyland needed a full blown convincing

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.320
<v Speaker 3>that I was even like a person that told the truth,

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 3>like I was back against the wall, and I know

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:13.760
<v Speaker 3>exactly why that is. People are intimidated. They can say

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:17.239
<v Speaker 3>that they aren't. People are intimidated by skill sets that

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:20.760
<v Speaker 3>they do not possess. And the easiest way to discredit

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 3>a skill set that you don't possess is to immediately

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 3>write them off as somebody that's dishonest. So that was

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 3>happening from all angles the entire game, and honestly, at

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 3>some point, I just I just didn't care enough to

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 3>defend myself. Normally, I'd be calling people out publicly, I'd

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 3>be making them bring receipts. I would. I just didn't care.

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 3>I was just in bed. I was having fun, you know,

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 3>And if you want to win this game, you can

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:55.839
<v Speaker 3>have fun, but you better be dialed. And I wasn't dialed.

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Because Jordan made this statement it said you were overthinking

0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the elimination. Oh no, I was under I was.

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 3>He's completely wrong, I was. I was not thinking about it. Yeah,

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 3>literally at all. There was so many other things on

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 3>my mind in that moment. And honestly, it was an

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 3>environment that was it was. It was tough. I get it.

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:25.440
<v Speaker 3>It's the challenge. It's difficult. This was the most difficult

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 3>one I've been a part of. And I actually think

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 3>as we see the people, well not all of them,

0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 3>but a lot of the people who had success in

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:36.520
<v Speaker 3>this game were those that did total madness because they

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 3>were like calloused. So you match that with being in

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 3>love pretty much, having the a third of the house

0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 3>running a smear campaign about you being valued or looked

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 3>at as a major threat, and it's a recipe to

0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 3>get your ass kicked in elimination. And that's exactly what happened.

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Playing the game with someone you love. In expressing how

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>differ what it was for both of you. Do you

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 2>think you would ever do another season with Michelle? Oh?

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, now it's a completely different situation. Right, So, like,

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:11.359
<v Speaker 3>if we were to go and play again together, there

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:17.400
<v Speaker 3>would be no question mark on whose side either one

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 3>of us fell on gotcha?

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha? Gotcha?

0:45:21.160 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 3>Or we would or if we maybe we wouldn't want

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:25.800
<v Speaker 3>to play together. Maybe we would say you want to

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:28.839
<v Speaker 3>know what we can be in a relationship and play

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 3>two separate games, but there would be much more communication

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 3>because of the way that our relationship has progressed. So

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 3>I obviously would never want to play against her, right,

0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 3>But if she was like, hey, listen, this is where

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 3>I really want to give myself the best shot at

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 3>winning this one, and I think I have to go

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 3>this direction, and that meant that we weren't going to

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I would never, you know, bring this to the table.

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 3>But I don't think she would either. But hypothetically, if

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 3>she did, I'd say, okay, cool, this is kind of fun.

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Like we played board games against each other all the time, right, does.

0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>She play against the Walker Mulligans and how she want?

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Michelle's very very good at games. Yeah, she's very good.

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 3>She hasn't met the majority of my family yet, so

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 3>we haven't had a game night. But honestly, I don't

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:15.719
<v Speaker 3>wish that upon her because that is never one time

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 3>ended well.

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she was the godfather of last season though

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 1>she was I mean, she was making moves and getting

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 1>things done, and I always tell her that's a compliment,

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>not an insult by any means. I feel like she

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 1>might be a worthy opponent of the of the Walker. Mulgan.

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 1>You have to keep us posted dev if that game

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 1>night occurs, because I feel like, you know, she could

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>take people.

0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the thing is, if she just was quiet for

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 3>the first twenty minutes, all of us would immediately either

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:49.320
<v Speaker 3>self sabotage or gang up on each other and be like, Okay,

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 3>it's okay if she wins, because none of us win,

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:54.160
<v Speaker 3>it'd be a good position for her to be in.

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Actually, so you had the love of your life, Michelle.

0:46:58.000 --> 0:46:59.279
<v Speaker 2>You have to leave her, but you also have to

0:46:59.320 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 2>leave your right of day, your ace boomcool, your main

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>apple scrapple, which was Tory right, And so what do

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 2>you hope Toy does when she goes back into the house.

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, I've never ever heard anyone else use that saying.

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 3>But I actually have a photo of Tory and underneath

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:18.799
<v Speaker 3>it it says my main apple scrapple. Oh really, no, no, no,

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:24.719
<v Speaker 3>I I don't I've never heard. Oh wow, I've never

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:26.399
<v Speaker 3>heard that one before. I love it though. I maybe

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:28.879
<v Speaker 3>maybe I'll maybe I'll put that nametag under there. Yeah,

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:30.719
<v Speaker 3>it was. I was so excited for her to win.

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.839
<v Speaker 3>It's obviously, and I want to just say this too.

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:37.520
<v Speaker 3>I do not blame anybody. It seems like they all like,

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 3>really dislike me for some reason. Laurel has some things

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 3>to say, Rachel has some things to say. Obviously, Johnny's

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 3>not a fan. A lot of the people. Really, I

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 3>feel like they really didn't like me. I'm not entirely

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 3>What did you do? Dev What do I existed? I

0:47:54.640 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 3>truly existed as I always do. And it was they

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 3>just felt, I truly believe they felt intimidated, and they

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 3>felt like they were on the outs. And it's easy

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 3>when the snowball starts to gain momentum to just hop

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 3>on the train, which is why I usually, when I

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.800
<v Speaker 3>have the energy to care enough, will extinguish the flame

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:20.440
<v Speaker 3>before it can catch any more fuel. I just didn't

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:22.280
<v Speaker 3>have the I didn't have it in me this season,

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 3>but I hope Toy wins it. Obviously. You know, I'm

0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:31.320
<v Speaker 3>in Go Tori or go Michelle mode. We haven't played

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 3>a Challenge season without each other in a long time.

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 3>Thirty seven we go all the way to the end,

0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.399
<v Speaker 3>thirty eight we win it. Forty we're here. She played

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 3>USA two without me, but that's obviously kind of a

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 3>different game. So it's been a while for either of

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 3>us on the flagship without the other one there. Yeah,

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:54.520
<v Speaker 3>and I'll just you know, no spoilers, but that that

0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.120
<v Speaker 3>rider Die bond runs pretty.

0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:02.600
<v Speaker 5>Deep, and I've got a feeling that my presence is

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:05.760
<v Speaker 5>going to continue to be felt in this game long

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 5>after I'm gone.

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Basically, you're gonna recavoc from the other side. What it

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:13.759
<v Speaker 1>sounds like, dev The last time you were here on

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the podcast where we got to interview you, you shared

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>some interesting strategies around preparing for this game. Has there

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 1>been anything else that you've added since we've spoken to

0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you to your arsenal of how you train for the challenge.

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if the shoe fits, wear it right. So

0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:36.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that there's anything that I've really added

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:43.640
<v Speaker 3>to my repertoire, my training repertoire physically, I think mentally

0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 3>going into another one, what I would need to do

0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 3>is really get back to my core of kind of

0:49:52.640 --> 0:49:56.480
<v Speaker 3>finding a nice not publicly. I hate when fucking people

0:49:56.520 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 3>publicly meditate. I hate it. I'm like, okay, we get it,

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 3>your medica, But like, uh, I think you. I think

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 3>that is a really undervalued skill set in this game,

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 3>is to be able to shut your brain off. And

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 3>so if I were to go back into this thing,

0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:14.839
<v Speaker 3>and now, trust me, there's I've always had a list

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:18.200
<v Speaker 3>of people I could I could go against. I am

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:22.839
<v Speaker 3>so dangerous when people have wronged me because I get

0:50:22.880 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 3>to completely take you off the list. Believe it or not,

0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:29.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm a pretty compassionate person. I don't like going after people.

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 3>It's very difficult for me to go after someone who's

0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:35.480
<v Speaker 3>never done anything wrong for me. Watching this season back,

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:40.920
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, I don't have enough pockets to hold

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 3>all the grudges. I don't. It is. I mean, I

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 3>can close my eyes and throw a dart at the board.

0:50:48.000 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 3>So the motivation that I potentially lacked going into forty

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 3>because I, you know, coming off a win, getting that,

0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 3>getting that kind of scratching that itch, proving people wrong.

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:03.720
<v Speaker 3>This was exactly what I needed to reignite my passion

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:10.480
<v Speaker 3>for airying my enemies and mark my words, when you

0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 3>see me back, and I will be back. I do

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 3>not forget, and I will be prepared to recavoc.

0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Not you making threats and promises. Did you hear that podcast?

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Did you hear that?

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 3>People record it? Play it over and over and over again,

0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:36.320
<v Speaker 3>screen grabb it. Just know that if you have wronged

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:40.120
<v Speaker 3>me in this season and we haven't had a conversation

0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:43.839
<v Speaker 3>about forgiveness, which there have been none of so far,

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:46.600
<v Speaker 3>you're getting got.

0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Josh, pick up the pile, Josh, Josh, run on the phone.

0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Dev I'm guessing that doesn't include Derek Ce because we

0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:56.680
<v Speaker 1>saw that birthday present he gave you that's floating around

0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:59.920
<v Speaker 1>now on Twitter of him doing a lap dance base

0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>he's like pee popping on a handstand but over you,

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:07.439
<v Speaker 1>which is very impressive from a balance standpoint. But I'm

0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>guessing that he's not on your your hit list because

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:11.959
<v Speaker 1>that was one hell of a gift.

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Derek has lifetime immunity because of that party. He really does,

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.480
<v Speaker 3>He truly does, Derek. You can do anything you want.

0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.520
<v Speaker 3>You're You're all the way in. And Ryan too. The

0:52:23.560 --> 0:52:28.719
<v Speaker 3>thing is like that those two were so fun. They're

0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:32.319
<v Speaker 3>so and what pisces me off is that you want

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:36.840
<v Speaker 3>to talk about an undervalued skill set and and everyone's

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:39.440
<v Speaker 3>saying neami and bananas. They're carrying the team. They're carrying

0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 3>the team. I take Derek over either of them in

0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 3>a final any day of the week. I don't think

0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:56.400
<v Speaker 3>that Ryan has trained enough to be there yet, but

0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 3>he has it, he has the ability to be there.

0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm on you right now. Derek is one of the

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 3>most well rounded, impressive competitors I've ever played the game with,

0:53:07.400 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 3>and they and the upside down face is just helping

0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:12.040
<v Speaker 3>his case.

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:15.520
<v Speaker 1>It does just help his g Derek is, you know, fierce.

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I almost ran a final with him, you know, many

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.880
<v Speaker 1>years ago now in Bawl the seasons, and he and

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 1>John Ay had pretty much gotten down to two players,

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:25.280
<v Speaker 1>but they were kicking butt. Like Derek is not someone

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.480
<v Speaker 1>people do sleep on him, which also might be a

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>bit of a superpower in a way. But he I

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.399
<v Speaker 1>agree with you that he is. You know, he's he's

0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 1>low key a force to be reckoned with, and even

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:37.399
<v Speaker 1>just from the balance alone, because how many of us

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:39.799
<v Speaker 1>can do a handstand on a couch not fall over

0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>on top of someone and TOWERK, I don't. I mean,

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I've been delivered. Yeah, that means they could back in

0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:47.319
<v Speaker 1>the day.

0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:51.319
<v Speaker 3>They also they also missed the number one thing that

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:54.440
<v Speaker 3>happened in the whole season, which was Out of Barbecue,

0:53:54.880 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 3>where Derek's alter ego is Casey Diaz, And there was

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 3>a song. I forget what song came on, but I

0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:06.360
<v Speaker 3>think it was like it was like firework or something

0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 3>like that, and Derek did a full performance which now

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:12.560
<v Speaker 3>watch for this when they show the pool. There were

0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:16.760
<v Speaker 3>like these big bird cages kind of all around the property,

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:21.239
<v Speaker 3>and so Derek grabs both hands behind his head, grabs

0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 3>the bird cage bars, inverts himself and while he's inverting himself,

0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:31.760
<v Speaker 3>gets his head stuck in the cage. Oh now he's

0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 3>fully inverted, dancing to firework with his head stuck in

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 3>the bird cage. It was the best thing I've ever

0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:44.840
<v Speaker 3>seen on a lectric. We had to like pull the

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:46.080
<v Speaker 3>bars apart so he could get his.

0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh my gosh, insane. That that's so good. I

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 1>hope they please play that on air. Footage. Please please please,

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:58.040
<v Speaker 1>that is hilarious. All right, dev If you've been listening

0:54:58.040 --> 0:54:59.839
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast this season, you know that we're doing

0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 1>a little thing because the eras kind of remind us

0:55:02.280 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 1>of like, you know, high school vibes. We're doing superlatives.

0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Did you have superlatives when you were in school? You know?

0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And I will give you one guess as to

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 3>the one that I want.

0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Ooh, day, you go first, But he thinks, oh, say this,

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 1>it's a classic. Most likely to be a politician.

0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:22.520
<v Speaker 2>I could see that.

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:24.120
<v Speaker 3>No, I would never be a politician.

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Gross most likely to be on a reality show class clown.

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say that. I was gonna say.

0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:35.440
<v Speaker 3>That class clown. Yep, and I really was a clown.

0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:37.080
<v Speaker 3>I think I kind of still am.

0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like you're a serious clown, though some

0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:41.960
<v Speaker 1>like there's like a split because you're not just You're

0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:44.399
<v Speaker 1>not like just blatantly goofy, you know what I mean?

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 3>No, I do get mad. Clowns don't really get mad.

0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:47.359
<v Speaker 3>I guess.

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a certain type of person to understand

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:50.800
<v Speaker 2>your humor.

0:55:51.239 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's definitely true, like a maybe

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 3>a smart person.

0:55:56.600 --> 0:56:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. I think that's true. Day we never

0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 1>asked you. Were you a most likely too in school?

0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What most likely most likely to end up on television?

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:09.880
<v Speaker 2>For sure? Really?

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's funny.

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:11.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:15.320
<v Speaker 1>So we like to do superlatives for each team this season,

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 1>so we want to hear what you would say about

0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 1>each era. Let's start backwards this time with Ara four.

0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 1>So in your opinion, and it can be anything, Era

0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>four is most likely to what.

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:33.239
<v Speaker 3>Era four is? Air four is most likely to make

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 3>a hollow deal.

0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Mmmm? Interesting, Okay, okay, what about three?

0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Air three is most likely to be best looking?

0:56:43.960 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 2>I cannot.

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 1>You know what Era two ahead?

0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:58.319
<v Speaker 3>It's true? Uh, Era two is most likely to have

0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:00.080
<v Speaker 3>really good exotic dancers.

0:57:00.920 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Fair. I mean we've seen it and that's fair.

0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:10.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And Era one is hm hmmm, I mean there's

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:12.440
<v Speaker 3>so much low hanging fruit here. But I'm going to

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:17.200
<v Speaker 3>go a different route and just go most likely to

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:24.680
<v Speaker 3>accept victory or defeat with Grace and I agree, they

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:27.160
<v Speaker 3>really were they really were with with I guess the

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:27.960
<v Speaker 3>exception of Tina.

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:38.280
<v Speaker 1>But we do love funny, so freaking funny. That's so true.

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.160
<v Speaker 1>It's been so great having you d. This is the

0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Triple D Podcast today with.

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:46.680
<v Speaker 3>That's right, and honestly, I've put on a few pounds.

0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:48.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm probably chasing that cup size right now.

0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you need to borrow Brock, just give me

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 1>a call. I can loan you one. For those who

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:59.120
<v Speaker 1>want to stand in the note on what you've got

0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 1>going on, or who want to see Okay, wait, what

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 1>did we call it again? There was dev Shell and

0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:05.240
<v Speaker 1>then there was.

0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Mach Yeah, we've married it down to two. One of

0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.960
<v Speaker 3>them is dev Shell, the other one is miss Chevin.

0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:18.680
<v Speaker 1>We need you guys to vote. We should put up

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 1>a poll on Twitter, or you guys just tweet us

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:24.120
<v Speaker 1>which ones you like better, dev Shell or michevn. But

0:58:24.160 --> 0:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>for those who want to just follow along with you

0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>guys or support you, where can they find you? In socials?

0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 3>I make a pretty pretty regular appearances on Michelle's story,

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 3>so I would probably just go there. I think she

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 3>is at mish fits.

0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Look at him hyping up his level even Okay, can

0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I can I come to the wedding? Is all I'm asking.

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I know he's aways, but I'm just gonna put it

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:53.200
<v Speaker 1>out there.

0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:56.040
<v Speaker 3>You gotta. I think we got to see how the

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:58.640
<v Speaker 3>rest of this season unfolds while I'm gone, before we

0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:01.600
<v Speaker 3>start hearing those those those wedding bells are ringing.

0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I'm already I'm already hearing a ding

0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and a dung.

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna I'm gonna put my money and say

0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:08.920
<v Speaker 2>she she was on our best behavior.

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, of course, No, I'm not worried about that.

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:15.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not worried about that at all. She's She's truly

0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:20.400
<v Speaker 3>the best. And yeah, I mean if if there ever

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:23.560
<v Speaker 3>is a wedding, it'll be a ten thousand person wedding.

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:26.040
<v Speaker 3>So everyone's invited. Look under you I'm the Oprah Winfrey

0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:31.800
<v Speaker 3>of wedding invitations. Look under your chair. You've got an invite.

0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Deal and deal. So good. Thank you for joining us.

0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Dev it's been it's always a pleasure watching you and

0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:41.800
<v Speaker 1>just watching kind of how you've grown over the seasons,

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and hated to see you go this time, but excited

0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.520
<v Speaker 1>to see you come back where you feel like you're

0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:50.439
<v Speaker 1>fully invigorated and ready to kick butt in the game.

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:51.959
<v Speaker 1>If you had to leave a message to your girls,

0:59:51.960 --> 0:59:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I know the season's already done filming, but if you

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:55.720
<v Speaker 1>had to leave a little message to your girls talking

0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:57.880
<v Speaker 1>about Tory and Michelle, what would you say to them

0:59:57.920 --> 0:59:58.280
<v Speaker 1>right now?

1:00:00.120 --> 1:00:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's the same thing that I tell everybody

1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:06.640
<v Speaker 3>all the time. Measure twice, cut once, pick your horses,

1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:10.480
<v Speaker 3>rock with them till the end, and when this thing,

1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, plays out, make sure that win or lose,

1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:15.920
<v Speaker 3>you can go back and be proud of the way

1:00:15.920 --> 1:00:16.560
<v Speaker 3>you play the game.

1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Love that good stuff. Yeah, Deev, thank you so much.

1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 1>It's been so fun.

1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:26.600
<v Speaker 3>It has been fun. I appreciate you guys for having

1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:29.560
<v Speaker 3>me shout out to the Official Challenge Podcast, all the

1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:33.480
<v Speaker 3>producers and of course the two of you, and also

1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:37.320
<v Speaker 3>to Anissa and Tory. The four of you carry the

1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:43.720
<v Speaker 3>flame with just such a flawless I'm want to say grace.

1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 3>And the way you guys can interchange and keep the

1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:50.919
<v Speaker 3>same different energies and vibes, but like the same high

1:00:51.040 --> 1:00:54.320
<v Speaker 3>level of professionalism is very cool to watch. So congratulations

1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:58.640
<v Speaker 3>stuff everyone involved on this podcast for having a really

1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:01.959
<v Speaker 3>cool listen and a very fun pod.

1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Love you. That's so sweet. He brought me Margarita's at

1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the aftermath. I don't know if Yeah, you never know.

1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:14.360
<v Speaker 3>You never know. And truly when I give a compliment,

1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:18.160
<v Speaker 3>you know it's real. Yeah, so you guys can take

1:01:18.240 --> 1:01:20.640
<v Speaker 3>that one to the bank, because if it sucked, I

1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:21.760
<v Speaker 3>would tell you.

1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Appreciate that so much. To deb well, obviously you're welcome anytime.

1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:28.320
<v Speaker 1>So happy that you're part of the Challenge family and

1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:31.400
<v Speaker 1>rooting for your girls. I mean, obviously we can't show favoritism,

1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:34.479
<v Speaker 1>but like you know, we I love Michelle and Tory,

1:01:34.600 --> 1:01:36.400
<v Speaker 1>so it'll be fun to see how this plays out.

1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:40.680
<v Speaker 3>I can show favoritism and go tourshell.

1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:43.040
<v Speaker 2>There you go, so that one is locked in.

1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:47.120
<v Speaker 3>That is locked in. Thanks for having me, guys, I

1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:48.400
<v Speaker 3>really appreciate it. Thank you.

1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, there you have it. We got to talk to

1:01:56.960 --> 1:02:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the man, Devin Walker Mulligan and Day. How did it

1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:05.360
<v Speaker 1>feel to be sandwiched between two devns?

1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:10.560
<v Speaker 2>It was absolutely amazing. I would do it anytime, Devin, Yes, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 2>While we're loving what we can find on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we love? Where we can find you on

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can always go to my website, devinsimone dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Devin with a Y Simone with an I. You

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<v Speaker 1>can see some socials there. I'm pretty active on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>that's Devin Simone. I'm on TikTok as well. Devin Simone

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<v Speaker 1>comment say hi Twitter. Also, we want to know your

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<v Speaker 1>can come back and let you know the tally. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm also on Snapchat occasionally. Devinsmon's all the same spelling

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<v Speaker 1>made it super simple. But come say hi and hang

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<v Speaker 1>What about you day? Where can people find you?

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<v Speaker 2>The people can find me right here on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>Davion Diane Underscore. As always. Thanks you guys so much

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