Speaker 1: Hey friends, it's me Devin Simone.
Speaker 2: And I'm Davon Rogers and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: Devin, whoop, whoo whoo.
Speaker 2: What an episode?
Speaker 1: Yes, all the fields. I'd say this is one of
Speaker 1: the most intense deliberations. And I don't mean intense from
Speaker 1: like yelling arguing, but just like it's literally all power
Speaker 1: players sitting there and then Rachel at the head and
Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, it just it was Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like there was it was no there was no winning
Speaker 1: kind of in a way because it's it's all just
Speaker 1: really key players that are and she was sitting there
Speaker 1: like the queen that she is. Yes, she was.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was so happy to see her win one finally
Speaker 1: to get a much deserved break. Oh, it felt so good.
Speaker 1: How did you feel, day?
Speaker 2: I thought it was amazing. I thought it was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2: But I did not like was the way they was
Speaker 2: jumping My friend Josh and this episoirl.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have got to be tired from trying
Speaker 1: to carry and defend this man all season.
Speaker 2: I'm tired. I got nothing else to get because it's
Speaker 2: too much. It's too much, and I'm just Josh, you
Speaker 2: need to come, hey, come on the podcast, because I
Speaker 2: need you to speak for yourself. But this episode was
Speaker 2: actually really really good. I'm so like, it was hard
Speaker 2: for me to find a time out.
Speaker 1: Let's a go star, okay, because if you do your
Speaker 1: goal star? Are we rationing this week again, David?
Speaker 2: I have two Let's split it right in half.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm split it right in half, my go star.
Speaker 2: Half of it is going to go to the Queen
Speaker 2: Rachel herself. She gets one all half all to herself,
Speaker 2: and the other half I'm gonna give to Jordan. I
Speaker 2: cannot express the feels that I had watching him do
Speaker 2: that challenge with one hand, the way that he the
Speaker 2: camera at some point zooms in on his other hand
Speaker 2: where he's trying to grip the.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You see in his eyes. Nothing's gonna stop him. He's
Speaker 2: gonna fight, he's gonna give it his all. And just
Speaker 2: to see him, I mean, we see it every season.
Speaker 2: This is nothing new. This conversation has been happening every
Speaker 2: single season that he does. But there's just no quit like,
Speaker 2: there's no nothing. He will not be conquered by anything.
Speaker 2: Like He's like, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna make
Speaker 2: it happen. And it was just so I was just
Speaker 2: so I was like, yeah, Jordan, like do it like
Speaker 2: it was just it was so good. So that is
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do. And then back to Rachel, not
Speaker 2: just because you know, she's in it by herself and
Speaker 2: she's doing the thing, which she is. I just want
Speaker 2: to say, watching her navigate this episode as a solo
Speaker 2: player was just so good. It was so good to watch. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: that is That's how I'm doing my start this week.
Speaker 2: How about you.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of nominees. No nominees are different
Speaker 1: than getting the start. Okay, we've seen award shows. We
Speaker 1: know they get the nominees and then you so a couple.
Speaker 1: This is the Video Vanguard, only one person who's nominated
Speaker 1: and wins. So so here are my nominees for this
Speaker 1: week's gold Star. First up, we have Rachel. Rachel holding
Speaker 1: on like a g literally turn around me like y'all
Speaker 1: might want to go take lunch like such a g
Speaker 1: doing the math problems and being so fearless in the
Speaker 1: face of adversity. Because I don't think we talk enough
Speaker 1: about what has got to happen to your mental when
Speaker 1: you are targeted week after week and you feel like
Speaker 1: you're on an island, Yeah, in a den amongst thieves,
Speaker 1: Like just really like that's hard. And we have seen
Speaker 1: people break with for support than what she has, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so for her to show up with that energy
Speaker 1: every single time with her eye on the prize is
Speaker 1: just astounding. So she's a nominie. Also, Casey is a
Speaker 1: g can we just I feel like Casey doesn't get
Speaker 1: enough props, mainly because Casey's not usually in the heat
Speaker 1: of the drama, right, Like Casey just kind of lays
Speaker 1: back in the cut. But Casey is a sniper. Casey
Speaker 1: is so talented, so good and just a great player
Speaker 1: all around and great person. So Casey's a nominee. And
Speaker 1: then Nia and Maya and his meditating, I mean Nia
Speaker 1: and Mayah went up there, shook an arm off a
Speaker 1: little bit. He probably paid his taxes while he was
Speaker 1: up there. I mean, he just made it look so
Speaker 1: easy and that was very impressive. So those are my
Speaker 1: three nominees. But ultimately the gold Star is going to
Speaker 1: be handed to per Queen Rachel. I'm so glad to
Speaker 1: see her on top. She has fought every single day,
Speaker 1: like the whole time to sort of get there well deserved,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see how it continues to go
Speaker 1: and how it continues to play who get your Who's
Speaker 1: your time out of the week?
Speaker 2: Okay, so it was hard for me to pick somebody
Speaker 2: for time out? But then this one person said this
Speaker 2: one little thing, and I was just like, why would
Speaker 2: you do that? And so you said a lot of
Speaker 2: great things about this person in your gold Star nominations,
Speaker 2: a lot of great things, and I agree with every
Speaker 2: single great thing you said about this person. However, is
Speaker 2: gonna go to Casey? Reason because she went after Casey. No,
Speaker 2: not not just that, but it was what she said.
Speaker 2: She said, maybe we should kick him out of the
Speaker 2: vacation Alliance and I and as we know, Josh, and
Speaker 2: I'm just saying strictly personal, nothing game. He's gonna watch that,
Speaker 2: and you know that's gonna hurt his feelings and he's
Speaker 2: gonna be somewhere in the corner crying because how much
Speaker 2: he loves you, Like, why would you say that, you know,
Speaker 2: because you felt it, Why would you say that.
Speaker 1: Well, he loves her so much, then maybe he should
Speaker 1: have stepped up to try and help save her. Not
Speaker 1: you caring? But what what what?
Speaker 2: What? What could he say to Rachel? Do you really
Speaker 2: think Josh could have persuaded something to not do that.
Speaker 1: And he could have said something better than do what
Speaker 1: you gotta do? I mean, you talk about him being offended,
Speaker 1: what about Casey being offended that he basically was like.
Speaker 2: But Casey's not gonna take that person when the season raps,
Speaker 2: Casey's not gonna take that home.
Speaker 1: Josh, Josh should leave that good. You cannot all be
Speaker 1: responsible for Josh's emotions, all right, at some point you
Speaker 1: have to take your healing journey and be responsible for
Speaker 1: not getting your own emotions. Well, then you'll love my
Speaker 1: time outses. So my time out nominees. One of them
Speaker 1: is our guest for this week, Devin, because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know where he was in that Like I again,
Speaker 1: he was giving he was giving Drell energy. Remember Darrell
Speaker 1: in the sand the other week where he just it
Speaker 1: was like he was so intently focused on the one
Speaker 1: thing instead of the bigger picture. Because we know Devn's capable. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: Kylan's a worthy opponent in this situation. Goodness, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like what was Devn doing, and then the other nomination
Speaker 1: goes to Josh and not. You know, I'm not the
Speaker 1: only who feels this way. When the editors start playing
Speaker 1: little violins talking about mess, he does it to himself.
Speaker 1: So my actual award is going to Josh and Josh
Speaker 1: talking about leaning on the edge of the container, trying
Speaker 1: to hang in the look you can defend this man
Speaker 1: all he was trying to save his friend. That's absolutely nice.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the de Lulu is real real. I mean, he
Speaker 1: needs to get you on payroll, He needs to get
Speaker 1: you a card as the leader of the Josh fan club.
Speaker 1: This boy is being a hot mess. He definitely gets
Speaker 1: the Time out of the week. Also, an honorable mention
Speaker 1: has to go to the editors. They are killing me
Speaker 1: when they showed me a Mayah like sitting there meditating,
Speaker 1: when we see tall in slow and then when they
Speaker 1: start playing the violinsic Josh, and then when they had
Speaker 1: the little superimposed what was it Tory on one side
Speaker 1: and then on the other side it was Josh. It
Speaker 1: was good.
Speaker 2: Oh no, remember when I think I think it was
Speaker 2: dev and said when a Vacation Alliance member gets eliminated,
Speaker 2: like they steal their soul. Or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they seem they're taking it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was so.
Speaker 1: Good that person needs to raise, like, shout out to
Speaker 1: you because the comedy is hilarious. Okay, this may be
Speaker 1: day the last week that we get to do ARA
Speaker 1: rankings because we don't know it's an it's an individual
Speaker 1: game now, thank god, because at least Rachel has a fight.
Speaker 1: Rachel like also a regularly Laurel team up. By the way,
Speaker 1: can you if you I mean like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's terrifying, actually literally terrifying, literally terrifying, more terrifying
Speaker 4: than two devons on one podcast.
Speaker 1: Terrifying. That is super scary. Who what's your rankings for
Speaker 1: the eras this week?
Speaker 2: Okay, so Gold, I'm definitely giving it to error. Rachel
Speaker 2: for Gold, Rachel for Silver, Era two, Bronca Era three,
Speaker 2: and then Patient my era because why, I think they
Speaker 2: kind of dropped the ball this week. I really feel
Speaker 2: like they dropped the ball this week. Yeah, that's kind
Speaker 2: of fair for sure, Like I think that in that
Speaker 2: math they all relied on Kylon. That should have been
Speaker 2: a team and yeah, you could have got more pigs,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Don't just say oh, he's
Speaker 2: the calculator. So he's gonna do all the work. No,
Speaker 2: he might miss something as he did, you know, so
Speaker 2: yeah they fumbled.
Speaker 1: How about you're fair for getting the gold medal? This
Speaker 1: week for me is Aara Rachel for sure, done and done.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many of us, truly, as we watched
Speaker 1: this game, how many of us could say that as
Speaker 1: an individual, we would take out these other teams like
Speaker 1: that's just a ball and move in all the ways.
Speaker 1: I'd say silver would have to go to Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess Era two gets my silver. You know, they didn't
Speaker 1: do anything outstanding, but they, like you know, played a
Speaker 1: good and smart game. I'd say Era three this is
Speaker 1: tough only because of Devon's performance kind of drags the
Speaker 1: average down, I feel like, But otherwise I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and give them the bronze. And participation is to
Speaker 1: Era four, but largely because I don't know how I
Speaker 1: feel about Kyland picking Jenny again.
Speaker 2: Yeah that sucks.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel very good. And Kylin's gonna find out. He's gonna
Speaker 1: learn about going against these strong people, these strong women,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep watching so we can find out
Speaker 1: for sure. Also We're gonna find out about this week's elimination.
Speaker 1: We are gonna find out what's going on with Michelle
Speaker 1: and Devin. We are going to find out all the
Speaker 1: things thanks to our upcoming guest, Devin Walker. So make
Speaker 1: sure that you grab us and you can go take lunch.
Speaker 1: Like Rachel said, also sign up for Rachel Fitness because
Speaker 1: obviously it works. If you ever need to hang thirty
Speaker 1: feet over water, if you train like Rachel, you can
Speaker 1: do it. So sign up for that. But then make
Speaker 1: sure you don't go anywhere because when we come back,
Speaker 1: we have a fabulous interview with Devin Walker.
Speaker 2: Hello. Friends, super excited about this episode. I am currently
Speaker 2: in the middle of a Devin and Devin sandwich. I
Speaker 2: have Devin Simone on one end and Devin Walker on
Speaker 2: the other end. Give it up. Devin Walker is here
Speaker 2: to join us on the podcast. People who.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, ladies. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Dev. But hello, how are you have you untangled
Speaker 1: any cords lately?
Speaker 3: I cannot great opening question and I just I literally
Speaker 3: just moved. So I'm finding like, uh, I've noticed this
Speaker 3: about myself. I'm like a airplane headphone hoarder. Interesting and
Speaker 3: I have them all in a tangled web that just
Speaker 3: like eighteen hours ago through in the trash can because
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not redoing this. I know I'll
Speaker 3: be here all day. I know how this goes.
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, we don't love to see you go,
Speaker 1: but that's hilarious. Also, Dev We're gonna need to get
Speaker 1: you some Bluetooth headphones so that we can help your.
Speaker 3: So I like the wires because I read some weird
Speaker 3: thing about Bluetooth like going through your brain and then
Speaker 3: like like being like, it's I don't know, it's I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm not what. We would probably have to ask
Speaker 3: Kyland about this, but there's something going on with Bluetooth headphones.
Speaker 3: I'm sure what it is.
Speaker 2: Kylan would definitely know. I want to dive right into
Speaker 2: this episode because this wasn't This episode was actually power packed.
Speaker 2: We started this episode all with this disagreement between you
Speaker 2: and But what's the deal? I thought you guys were
Speaker 2: like smoothing things over. What did the beef come back? Like,
Speaker 2: What's what's going on? Walk us through that disagreement you
Speaker 2: guys had.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy to finally share my side of this story.
Speaker 3: I have been silent all season, waiting for a platform,
Speaker 3: a credible platform. Yeah, to release my opinion, and let
Speaker 3: me tell you exactly, verbatim, how this happened. So it
Speaker 3: actually started before the season and I went to an
Speaker 3: event at Johnny's gym, and afterwards we went out, we
Speaker 3: had drinks, and Tory was also there, and he says, essentially,
Speaker 3: I can't be on forty for too long. I have
Speaker 3: too much stuff going on here. And in my mind,
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, okay, this is the oldest trick in
Speaker 3: the book, and it's just a tactic to move through
Speaker 3: the first part of the game without anybody targeting you,
Speaker 3: because oftentimes if people don't know the trick, they believe
Speaker 3: you and they assume, okay, well this person's gonna, you know,
Speaker 3: not really be all the way in it. Maybe not
Speaker 3: lose on purpose, but like they got one foot out
Speaker 3: the door, right. I knew it was not true from
Speaker 3: the beginning. So we get into the house and he
Speaker 3: brings it up again at the toga party and essentially says,
Speaker 3: you know, listen, I got about three weeks in me
Speaker 3: here and then I got a launch, got so much
Speaker 3: other stuff going on. And I say to him, very
Speaker 3: very clearly, I do not believe you. And if this
Speaker 3: is an attempt to manipulate me into not coming for you,
Speaker 3: which I wasn't anyways, then I'm gonna take that as
Speaker 3: a shot, right, because you clearly have ulterior motives. Right,
Speaker 3: So you say three weeks, if you're still here after five,
Speaker 3: I'm going to help you pack your bags, And I
Speaker 3: said it exactly like that.
Speaker 1: And other people could hear you? Like this was in
Speaker 1: front of a group or was it just the two
Speaker 1: of you, guys?
Speaker 3: There was other people around. We were having a one
Speaker 3: on one conversation. But he's referenced this several times that
Speaker 3: I just randomly said at the halfway point, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: try to get you out of the game. I said
Speaker 3: that because his tactic didn't work on me. I knew
Speaker 3: that it wasn't true. And it's ct has done this,
Speaker 3: Zach has done this, Johnny has done this. Well, A
Speaker 3: lot of people have done this because they've watched it work.
Speaker 3: And it's a really good way if you're a good player,
Speaker 3: to diffuse people, essentially by saying, listen, I don't I
Speaker 3: can't be here for the whole time. It's too long.
Speaker 3: I got stuff going on at home, whatever it is,
Speaker 3: a wedding, whatever responsibilities you have at home, I have
Speaker 3: to get back to those. It's more important, right, And
Speaker 3: a lot of people that don't know that will fall
Speaker 3: for it. So I just said, very clearly, you said
Speaker 3: three weeks, I'll give you five. If you're still here
Speaker 3: after five weeks, i'm gonna help you go. And at
Speaker 3: that point he was unable to backtrack and say, well, actually,
Speaker 3: I was, you know, essentially trying to fool you, and
Speaker 3: let's let's not do this because that would be admitting
Speaker 3: that he attempted to fool me. Yeah, so that's where
Speaker 3: it started. And as he watches my relationship with Michelle develop,
Speaker 3: and he knows that I have an obviously very strong
Speaker 3: relationship with Toy. Michelle is you know, best friends with Ola.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of ties there, right, right. So he's
Speaker 3: looking at all of those relationships like he's in a
Speaker 3: very Johnny way of looking at things. It's all about me.
Speaker 3: He's building these relationships to help stalk his arsenal for
Speaker 3: when he comes for me, which I don't care to
Speaker 3: do ever. I've always played this game, and we'll always
Speaker 3: play this game with the potentially delusional mindset that I
Speaker 3: can beat anybody in a final, so I don't care who.
Speaker 3: I don't care who goes. I really don't, but I
Speaker 3: don't like getting lied to.
Speaker 1: So do you think that was the impetus of him
Speaker 1: saying what he said to Michelle? Because I will say
Speaker 1: as a viewer, not knowing this context, which is so helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And as a view we also I also like to
Speaker 1: see even Benanas sort of getting along and all of that,
Speaker 1: like it's nice when everybody fights and thing comes together
Speaker 1: just as a whole, right, And so we see that,
Speaker 1: and then we see him talking to Michelle, and as
Speaker 1: a viewer, it looks initially like it was at a concern,
Speaker 1: which is like, hey, I care for you, just make
Speaker 1: sure you know blah bla blah blah blah. But now
Speaker 1: with all the context you're sharing and seeing how it's
Speaker 1: playing out more and more, do you feel like that's
Speaker 1: why he planned? Like that's why he said what he said.
Speaker 1: Points Well, this.
Speaker 3: Isn't a matter of opinion on my part. We can
Speaker 3: roll the footage which plays before this episode of him
Speaker 3: sitting down with Jenny and saying, Devin and Michelle are
Speaker 3: a problem. I need to break that up. He's using
Speaker 3: her for game.
Speaker 1: But do you think he really thought you were using
Speaker 1: her or do you think he like, do you know
Speaker 1: because yeah, because I don't mean yeah, obviously you're not.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Would be it would be a really, really long play.
Speaker 3: It would be an aggressively long play.
Speaker 1: At this point, you're aiming for season fifty dev we
Speaker 1: get we're onto you. You're mastermind in that way.
Speaker 3: I am, you know, just really really stretching this out. No,
Speaker 3: so he may have genuinely thought that. I what I
Speaker 3: believe is that obviously Michelle has been in some sitch
Speaker 3: situations where that was the case. We saw it happen
Speaker 3: with Callum on thirty nine, and then they played USA
Speaker 3: two together. And Me and Michelle had had kind of
Speaker 3: a relationship in the past where it was unclear to
Speaker 3: me the feelings that she had to me and had
Speaker 3: for me, And so I was recently single and kind
Speaker 3: of like, would you meet up when we were in
Speaker 3: the same city and we would have long phone calls
Speaker 3: or whatever. But I was not under the impression that
Speaker 3: she felt the way that she did about me. So
Speaker 3: she goes on USA too, I guess, and kind of
Speaker 3: confides in Johnny about how she's not really happy with
Speaker 3: our relationship. So he does have some insider information. But
Speaker 3: what I believe that he did, knowing the information about
Speaker 3: thirty nine, and this is a really uncool thing to do,
Speaker 3: is he used a point of vulnerability against her to
Speaker 3: attempt to drive a wedge between our relationship. By saying,
Speaker 3: this is something that has happened to you before, you
Speaker 3: looked foolish, this is something that is happening again now,
Speaker 3: knowing that the easiest way to manipulate somebody is to
Speaker 3: use a vulnerability against them, and in my opinion, I
Speaker 3: would never do that to a friend. The other point
Speaker 3: that I'd like to make is by saying that I'm
Speaker 3: doing that knowing that this had already happened to somebody else,
Speaker 3: You're either lying outright or you think I am a
Speaker 3: complete scumbag. Yeah, and at this point we are not.
Speaker 3: We're friendly. I don't know if you would consider me
Speaker 3: to be a friend, but like if I'm going to
Speaker 3: your gym to do an event for you, or at.
Speaker 2: Least well at least friendly, something right.
Speaker 3: So you can't think that I'm an absolute scumbag. So
Speaker 3: the only other available option there is that you are
Speaker 3: using something that somebody has confided in you against them
Speaker 3: for or game. So now it's he said, she said,
Speaker 3: But in my opinion, knowing he knows, I'm not a
Speaker 3: bad person, So assuming that I would do that to
Speaker 3: a good to a close friend of mine and Michelle,
Speaker 3: to manipulate her the same way somebody did, and I
Speaker 3: watched her have to deal with that, and I watched
Speaker 3: how difficult it was for her to then put my
Speaker 3: insert myself in that role in to do it to
Speaker 3: her again would mean I am a horrible person. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So to answer your question, it's a lengthy answer, but no,
Speaker 3: I don't think he thought I was using her for game.
Speaker 3: I thought he was trying to use a vulnerability of
Speaker 3: hers to manipulate her.
Speaker 1: And and I appreciate you sharing that and not to
Speaker 1: get all up in your relationship business, but obviously I
Speaker 1: have a question as a matchmaker, really quick, what was
Speaker 1: you said that before you weren't sure that Michelle had
Speaker 1: these like the feeling she had towards you, and watching
Speaker 1: it blossom how you guys have been handling things now
Speaker 1: has been really lovely. I saw her the other day
Speaker 1: and we were talking about it. It's just really beautiful.
Speaker 1: What was the thing? It's interesting also because you're so perceptive,
Speaker 1: and I think this highlight sometimes the way people think differently.
Speaker 1: What was the thing that finally made it click for
Speaker 1: you this season? Like, Oh, this really could be a thing,
Speaker 1: Like she you know, she has feeling to me, I
Speaker 1: have feelings for her, Like what was the switch? If
Speaker 1: before it never really like came on your radar?
Speaker 3: She told me, Yeah, I have. I have noticed this,
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's a gender specific situation, but
Speaker 3: I've definitely noticed this in the past where people want
Speaker 3: to kind of play it cool and maybe among their
Speaker 3: friends they're saying how they actually feel, but with the
Speaker 3: person that they have those feelings for, they're not being
Speaker 3: completely up front exactly. And so I don't doubt that
Speaker 3: she thinks that she was like leaving a trail of
Speaker 3: breadcrumbs that I would figure out. But as as much
Speaker 3: credit as I get for being one of the smart
Speaker 3: people on the show, I'm a moron, especially when it
Speaker 3: comes to relationships. So it's like I needed her to
Speaker 3: look me in the eye and tell me how she felt,
Speaker 3: because I was never going to just make an assumption
Speaker 3: that an absolute funny, like kind hearted rocket was into me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so were you into her this whole time though,
Speaker 1: and you just kind of felt like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: want to ruin the friendship or I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I always had, like I always knew there was a
Speaker 3: potential there. And when I ended my last relationship, actually
Speaker 3: it ended. It was ended for me immediately after I
Speaker 3: got home from filming thirty eight, which was hilarious. I
Speaker 3: was like, finally won. And then I came back and
Speaker 3: immediately got dumped, and I was like, oh Jesus, it
Speaker 3: was like three months away, we're coming home to this.
Speaker 3: The universe really does balance itself. But I said to myself,
Speaker 3: if I were to have another girlfriend at some point,
Speaker 3: it would be Michelle, because I knew how I felt
Speaker 3: about her, and I think it was kind of an
Speaker 3: unspoken thing for both of us, but we were pretty close. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then obviously she moves well not moves on, but
Speaker 3: she starts dating somebody else on the show. I had
Speaker 3: kind of started to see other people as well, and
Speaker 3: I guess it did take a Vietnamese castle to bring
Speaker 3: us to where we needed to go, But yeah, it
Speaker 3: was it was unclear for me, it was unclear how
Speaker 3: she felt about me until she said it directly to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, props to Michelle for putting it out there, for
Speaker 1: being vulnerable and just doing the dang thing. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy watching you guys this season and the
Speaker 2: other podcast episodes we've done. I always say that you
Speaker 2: are her and she is you. You guys are like
Speaker 2: the same person. And just watching you guys navigate through
Speaker 2: the season together, it was really really good to watch,
Speaker 2: really really good to watch. So yea, I'm rooted for
Speaker 2: you guys so much.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I think, I mean, I would personally
Speaker 3: as a gambling man, I'll take the over on any
Speaker 3: line that's set for how long that relationship is going
Speaker 3: to go for, because I mean, I love her. She's great, so.
Speaker 1: So sweet, Oh deb how far one has come. And
Speaker 1: when she was talking about you the other day when
Speaker 1: I start her, she was just glowing, like literally glowing, and.
Speaker 3: I think that's the bronzer.
Speaker 1: Well she was very bronze and glowing also, but her
Speaker 1: face was glowing in a way when she started talking
Speaker 1: about you, And so so happy to see where this
Speaker 1: goes and so happy that you guys have taken this
Speaker 1: journey together. Now let's get into a little bit more
Speaker 1: of this journey, starting with the actual challenge. Right, So,
Speaker 1: you're good at math, we know you're good at puzzles,
Speaker 1: and you're a good strategist. What was your strategy for
Speaker 1: this particular game?
Speaker 3: So there wasn't a ton of strategy there. It was
Speaker 3: like we knew we had less people. So the way
Speaker 3: that it worked out is based on the the equations
Speaker 3: that you solve. Everybody on your team has to get
Speaker 3: two pegs before anyone can get three or four. So
Speaker 3: at this point it's just with Avery having left in
Speaker 3: the last episode, we only have five players, so we
Speaker 3: know where our target goal is going to be, somewhere
Speaker 3: around that twelve thirteen to fourteen mark. And no shade
Speaker 3: at Naya. She will be the first to admit this.
Speaker 3: We knew as soon as the rules were explained this
Speaker 3: was not going to be her game. She said it
Speaker 3: flat out, I don't have grip strength. I'm afraid of heights.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be hanging up there. So we
Speaker 3: kind of knew, all right, Naya's going to get two.
Speaker 3: Toy's tory is on the chopping block, so we want
Speaker 3: to give her the best opportunity she can have. Jordan's great,
Speaker 3: so we're going to kind of spread them out between Jordan, Tory,
Speaker 3: and myself. So our strategy was really focus on getting
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how many we get as so long
Speaker 3: as we eclipse twelve, thirteen or fourteen and give two
Speaker 3: people on our chance, a good two people on our
Speaker 3: team a good shot. In retrospect, I guess it would
Speaker 3: have been I guess we could have solved more equations,
Speaker 3: but that just I don't I just don't think that
Speaker 3: wasn't our game. No shaite at Jordan, but he's got,
Speaker 3: you know, one hand, Corey's two hundred and thirty five pounds.
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm particularly known for my grip strength. So, like,
Speaker 3: you go right down the list, and it was like
Speaker 3: some some challenges are built for you as a as
Speaker 3: an era and some aren't. In this one just wasn't you.
Speaker 2: Know when you're watching Rachel right, because of course we
Speaker 2: don't know the times in that moment, how long did
Speaker 2: it seem like she had been up there?
Speaker 3: Oh it was a wht. We we knew about halfway
Speaker 3: through Rachel's round that she won. Really like we were
Speaker 3: going to hold on as long as everyone was going
Speaker 3: to hold on as long as they could. But again,
Speaker 3: you go down the list of people that could you know,
Speaker 3: beat her, Theo's not winning, that Josh isn't winning, that's
Speaker 3: Kyleon's not winning, that Olivia's not winning. That like Casey
Speaker 3: and Michelle had a shot, Jenny had a shot, but
Speaker 3: Jenny has no motivation to win. And it was just
Speaker 3: like there was only a couple people. I thought, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe Tory had a chance. Neiamiyah was a sleeper. I
Speaker 3: didn't think he.
Speaker 1: Had that Andy and he even shook one hand off,
Speaker 1: like if you saw that, he like relaxed one hand
Speaker 1: for a minute. My goodness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a very impressive performance. And again, in hindsight, if
Speaker 3: three or four lost with Rachel having one, I know
Speaker 3: that we did this whole pretend to be on the
Speaker 3: fence thing. She was salivating, salivating. There was never a
Speaker 3: chance that she was not going to save Ryan and Laurel.
Speaker 3: There was never a chance that she wasn't going to
Speaker 3: take that pie in the sky matchup so she can
Speaker 3: say all she wants. She was open to hearing people
Speaker 3: out there. There was nothing that could have derailed that
Speaker 3: with the exception, and we touched on this later in
Speaker 3: the episode of potentially Josh saying this will be a
Speaker 3: kill shot for our alliance. That was the only chance
Speaker 3: we had was that. I think at that point Josh
Speaker 3: was Rachel's number one, so he could have said, listen,
Speaker 3: this is gonna really be an absolute detriment to me
Speaker 3: moving forward. If you take this shot, it's going to
Speaker 3: mean that you don't have my best interest in mind.
Speaker 2: I have a question as far as the pigs when
Speaker 2: you're up there, what were the rules, Devin, Because there
Speaker 2: was a point when Casey was up there by herself,
Speaker 2: right and there were all of these pegs from everyone
Speaker 2: else who fail? Was she not allowed to steal other people's?
Speaker 2: Could she not be on theirs?
Speaker 3: No? So you had only your pegs that were assigned
Speaker 3: to you, So the first ones you touched were yours
Speaker 3: for the whole challenge. If people dropped, you couldn't switch
Speaker 3: an arm over or use theirs. And that was that
Speaker 3: was clear. That wasn't like it's not like anyone was
Speaker 3: confused about that. It was it was very clear.
Speaker 1: Okay, how clear were the rules? Since Josh thought he
Speaker 1: could stand on the legs you know, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: Josh didn't think he could, but the option was fall
Speaker 3: or see if I can get away with it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so hilarious. Do you so back to
Speaker 1: the point you were making around the alliance and Rachel
Speaker 1: salivating right to target the vacation alliance and Josh potentially
Speaker 1: coming in to save you. Two questions about that one.
Speaker 3: Well, not to save me, not save you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't mean that specifically, but yeah,
Speaker 1: like to make a different decision in her vote and
Speaker 1: who she's sent in. Do you feel like that Josh's
Speaker 1: sort of loyalty is even that strong and valuable because
Speaker 1: we've seen what he's been doing. Like if you were Rachel,
Speaker 1: if you were in Rachel's position and Josh is threatening,
Speaker 1: like you're breaking our alliance, do you feel like you
Speaker 1: would see that alliance is valuable because Josh is been
Speaker 1: is proven this season not to be helpful with most
Speaker 1: of the alliances he's in, So like, do you think
Speaker 1: that really would have made a difference. I guess if
Speaker 1: he had led that case to Rachel and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: well my alliance with you is done if you go
Speaker 1: for you know, make that choice.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, We'll never know because that's not what happened. So
Speaker 3: I know this, it couldn't have hurt.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was worth a try.
Speaker 3: I think it was absolutely worth a try. And in
Speaker 3: doing that, it was a little too late in the
Speaker 3: game to have called him out, actually, because everything had
Speaker 3: already transpired. But I tried to have conversations with josh
Speaker 3: periodically throughout the game. When Jenny first nominated me, she
Speaker 3: had come to Josh and she had asked, you know,
Speaker 3: do you have an opinion on who I should pick
Speaker 3: as a target? Devn R Cory, And he admitted to
Speaker 3: saying this. He said, you know, you have to do
Speaker 3: what you have to do. I'm essentially indifferent. So that
Speaker 3: was like strike one right, and he apologized for that.
Speaker 3: He said, I have to take the yel on this one. I,
Speaker 3: you know, am trying to keep my hands clean. And
Speaker 3: he essentially said to all of us. We had a
Speaker 3: sit down with the Vacation Alliance, with Tory, with Casey,
Speaker 3: with Joshua myself, and we all agreed the only way
Speaker 3: this thing's going to work because at this point people
Speaker 3: had started to try to poison the well. There was
Speaker 3: a Vacation Alliance smear campaign going on, and the only
Speaker 3: way to maneuver through a game with such a public alliance,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, is to form a unified beachfront that says,
Speaker 3: come at one of us, you're dead.
Speaker 1: To the rest of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I really, truly I always have played that way,
Speaker 3: if I'm really truly riding with you, which again everyone
Speaker 3: always says, Devin makes all these deals. He does this,
Speaker 3: he does expiring deals. I do expiring deals because I
Speaker 3: don't want to have to lie to someone later.
Speaker 1: I'm very smart. It's actually very respectful. We talked about that,
Speaker 1: and you not making that deal with Nehemiah that time
Speaker 1: by was beautifully done. I thought so well played and fair.
Speaker 1: And I think the way you play seems to be
Speaker 1: the thing that Josh needs to learn, because that's how
Speaker 1: Josh gets themselves in trouble. And I actually think on
Speaker 1: a less it's a slightly different level because she has
Speaker 1: so many enemies, you know, But I think I feel
Speaker 1: like we see Leep Laurel plays the same way, where
Speaker 1: sometimes there's expiring deals, sometimes there's no I won't take
Speaker 1: a deal sometimes, but I feel like if someone makes
Speaker 1: a deal with you, whether they're in the vacation alliance,
Speaker 1: or they're in something else. What's cool about it is
Speaker 1: I would take your word to the bank, right, like
Speaker 1: I would trust Like yep, Devin said he's going to
Speaker 1: be I'm going to do this. It is what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've played the game nine times. No one can, ever,
Speaker 3: regardless of the smear campaigns that go around, regardless of
Speaker 3: people that are intimidated by my style of gameplay attempting
Speaker 3: to discredit this or credit me as a manipulator, you
Speaker 3: can point. No one can point to a single moment
Speaker 3: in any of these games. And I encourage someone to
Speaker 3: find one. Find one example of when I told somebody
Speaker 3: that I would do something and then I didn't do it.
Speaker 3: One example. Go back to Double Agents. We had blind voting.
Speaker 3: Every every time we sat together, I would say here's
Speaker 3: what I'm voting for. Then I would go in a
Speaker 3: room where no one else even was and I would
Speaker 3: make that vote. M hm. So I don't. It's just
Speaker 3: I have no interest in lying in the game because
Speaker 3: if I win, I want to feel good about it.
Speaker 1: Right, and we see what happens. Look at John like
Speaker 1: Josh's beloved, but he gets in trouble every season now
Speaker 1: like it's literally every season because he says yes or
Speaker 1: says okay, or doesn't say no, doesn't set boundaries, and
Speaker 1: then ends up with a slew of io use that
Speaker 1: he can't cash.
Speaker 2: So let me say yeah, let me say this. Know,
Speaker 2: Josh is my baby, right so I'm a big beside
Speaker 2: where we So let me let me just say this now.
Speaker 2: Granted Josh's I owe yous and deals and everything. They
Speaker 2: may not be working for the alliance members and everything else,
Speaker 2: but they're working.
Speaker 1: For him, correct, But they are working for him.
Speaker 2: But I understand, I understand that we are in a
Speaker 2: space now where it's like you know, a team, team, team,
Speaker 2: and you gotta support your allies. You gotta do this,
Speaker 2: you gotta do that. The teams are.
Speaker 3: Gone, right, So the only the only rebuttal I have
Speaker 3: to that is that if you are going to play
Speaker 3: a game that works for you and you're in, and
Speaker 3: you're also gonna say that you are honorable and you
Speaker 3: keep your word, then you have to pick a side,
Speaker 3: right Like, if you can't try to convince us that
Speaker 3: you're playing the game for us when you're playing the
Speaker 3: game for yourself, it either makes you a liar, which
Speaker 3: could that works for people? It can't. But but you're.
Speaker 2: A liar, okay, So I think that's okay. So I
Speaker 2: think that's the key point. Was there a point where
Speaker 2: Josh was coming to you guys saying, Oh, because I
Speaker 2: have a connection with such and such, I can help you.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely made abundantly clear in the in our
Speaker 3: four persons sit down that Josh's loyalties allegedly lied with
Speaker 3: us and that we were going to be his priority
Speaker 3: moving forward. As we've seen this play out, that is
Speaker 3: not the case. I love Josh. I think Josh is awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I've noticed this actually about Survivor and Big Brother.
Speaker 3: I'd never actually, this is a bit of a tangent,
Speaker 3: but I'll keep it quick. I'd never watched one episode
Speaker 3: of Survivor, and I was at Michelle's parents house, and
Speaker 3: I watched the episode that she won in. And what
Speaker 3: Michelle had to do in that last episode was convince
Speaker 3: everybody that was going to vote that it didn't happen
Speaker 3: by accident and that she was actively manipulating them throughout
Speaker 3: the game. In Survivor and in Big Brother, the thing
Speaker 3: that Josh is doing is celebrated in order to get
Speaker 3: the votes. People need to know that you manipulated them,
Speaker 3: that you took the shot, that you lied, that you
Speaker 3: did this, because everyone's doing it right, and so the
Speaker 3: hardest part of the challenge is that it's a recurring game.
Speaker 3: It happens over and over and over again. The di
Speaker 3: Vivor or a Big Brother. I think it's celebrated because
Speaker 3: you're not very likely you're never going to play again,
Speaker 3: so it's easy to kind of burn those relationships. Now.
Speaker 3: Obviously there's some people who are fortunate enough to play
Speaker 3: it two, three times, four times maybe, but you're not
Speaker 3: playing it. You're not playing it fifteen times, right, So
Speaker 3: that's just a difference in game style that I've noticed.
Speaker 3: It's easier for players from Big Brother and players from
Speaker 3: Survivor to say that they're going to do something and
Speaker 3: then go back on that, and they are so good.
Speaker 3: Every one of them that I've met is so good
Speaker 3: that plays this way at repatching those things after they happen.
Speaker 3: And so I think Josh is just conditioned to think, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what's best for me now, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be able to get out of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But what you're saying is because it is a
Speaker 2: reoccurring game, he's like creating a staple on it.
Speaker 3: I think so. And I think what Josh is going
Speaker 3: to have to do moving forward if he plays again,
Speaker 3: is pick his horses and ride with him till the
Speaker 3: very end. Because even in this even in this game,
Speaker 3: he's now righting wrongs that he made from USA two
Speaker 3: with Johnny. Yeah, so his game is always going to
Speaker 3: be Now he feels probably like he owes Casey. He
Speaker 3: might feel a little bit like he owes me.
Speaker 1: He might.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And if you're always playing
Speaker 3: catch up, it may work for Josh to move, you know,
Speaker 3: into the halfway point, maybe get towards the end. It's
Speaker 3: going to be very, very difficult to win this game
Speaker 3: the way that he's played it, especially because with his
Speaker 3: skill set it's going to be difficult anyways, and now
Speaker 3: with the reputation that he has, it's gonna be damn
Speaker 3: near impossible. And I hate to say that because I'd
Speaker 3: love to see Josh win, But if he doesn't massively
Speaker 3: shift his approach to the game, he's going to have
Speaker 3: played this game for you know, close to a decade
Speaker 3: at some point and never have never have won.
Speaker 1: Oh Josh, let's take a quick break, but don't worry,
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get.
Speaker 3: Back to the show.
Speaker 1: Now, let's go into this elimination. I know we touched
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to just breeze by that.
Speaker 1: If so, the strategy walk us through initially what your
Speaker 1: strategy was, just so everyone members because you kind of
Speaker 1: explained it on the episode, but like, what exactly was
Speaker 1: your initial strategy?
Speaker 3: Dude, there was no strategy. I was so rattled. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be honest with you. It the I've never really
Speaker 3: been like, my head's always been in the game one
Speaker 3: hundred percent. And I've said this so many times, and
Speaker 3: this is absolutely not an excuse. I got my ass
Speaker 3: kicked fair and square. Kylon was the better man that
Speaker 3: night at that elimination. There is absolutely no excuse. My
Speaker 3: head was in so many different places. I literally remember
Speaker 3: walking into the arena and seeing the chords and being like,
Speaker 3: this is a physical representation of my brain. And I've
Speaker 3: been trying to untangle it for like six weeks at
Speaker 3: this point. And if you think I was untangling those slowly,
Speaker 3: you should have seen the mental chords that were going
Speaker 3: on because they were a rat's nest and I just
Speaker 3: I can't even say I had a strategy because the
Speaker 3: horn blew and I just completely shit the bed. Now,
Speaker 3: with that being said, I still probably beat seventy percent
Speaker 3: of the people that are standing on that stage. So
Speaker 3: it's easy for them to say to look down at
Speaker 3: it and say, oh, it was a blowout. That elimination
Speaker 3: is tailor built for Kyland. He's cool, complexted, he's smart,
Speaker 3: he's got you know, gas. It was surprisingly tiring, So
Speaker 3: it was that was worst case matchup for that elimination,
Speaker 3: and on top of it, I was head in the clouds.
Speaker 3: So again, at all credit to him, absolutely beat me.
Speaker 3: I was not in the right mental place to put
Speaker 3: my best effort forward. It just I beat myself in that.
Speaker 3: I beat that version of myself in that. Yeah, one
Speaker 3: hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't mind sharing what was going on
Speaker 1: in here, because when we watch you again, we're used
Speaker 1: to seeing you sort of being you're called the mastermind
Speaker 1: of the challenge. You're just kind of like playing chess
Speaker 1: when people are playing checkers. What was going through your
Speaker 1: head that had you kind of sew out of it,
Speaker 1: or that you were struggling to untangle for you know,
Speaker 1: those six weeks, if you don't mind sharing.
Speaker 3: Of course, it's so I don't do super well in
Speaker 3: a large team environment. Too many cooks make a shitty soup.
Speaker 3: And I firmly believe that, and especially that the way
Speaker 3: the game was designed, it lent itself to a lot
Speaker 3: of insecurities, and it lent itself to kind of like
Speaker 3: a clean slate because people were getting a break from
Speaker 3: even being able to be nominated, so for at least
Speaker 3: two weeks, often people would just check out. So there
Speaker 3: was no like playing chess because half the people were
Speaker 3: on the on the bench, including myself. So it was
Speaker 3: just it was that was difficult. Playing the game for
Speaker 3: somebody else that you care about is very difficult. I
Speaker 3: don't care what anybody says. I've gone on records saying
Speaker 3: if you want to win, do not get in a relationship.
Speaker 3: I wanted to win, of course, but I wanted to
Speaker 3: I wanted my cake and I wanted to eat it too.
Speaker 3: If you want the best chance at winning, don't fall
Speaker 3: in love, simple as that, and especially don't fall in
Speaker 3: love in a game that lends itself to paranoia and insecurities.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you guys are on different teams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. I mean, Michelle says it all the
Speaker 3: way through. She's in like a constant struggle between doing
Speaker 3: what's best for her, doing what's best for me, and
Speaker 3: doing what's best for her air and I'm in that
Speaker 3: same struggle, but with more. And this wasn't just bananas.
Speaker 3: Niamiah was taking pop shots. Look at all of Corey's interviews.
Speaker 3: Josh is playing the way that Josh is playing. Jordan
Speaker 3: had insecurities about me. Kyland needed a full blown convincing
Speaker 3: that I was even like a person that told the truth,
Speaker 3: like I was back against the wall, and I know
Speaker 3: exactly why that is. People are intimidated. They can say
Speaker 3: that they aren't. People are intimidated by skill sets that
Speaker 3: they do not possess. And the easiest way to discredit
Speaker 3: a skill set that you don't possess is to immediately
Speaker 3: write them off as somebody that's dishonest. So that was
Speaker 3: happening from all angles the entire game, and honestly, at
Speaker 3: some point, I just I just didn't care enough to
Speaker 3: defend myself. Normally, I'd be calling people out publicly, I'd
Speaker 3: be making them bring receipts. I would. I just didn't care.
Speaker 3: I was just in bed. I was having fun, you know,
Speaker 3: And if you want to win this game, you can
Speaker 3: have fun, but you better be dialed. And I wasn't dialed.
Speaker 2: Because Jordan made this statement it said you were overthinking
Speaker 2: the elimination. Oh no, I was under I was.
Speaker 3: He's completely wrong, I was. I was not thinking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: literally at all. There was so many other things on
Speaker 3: my mind in that moment. And honestly, it was an
Speaker 3: environment that was it was. It was tough. I get it.
Speaker 3: It's the challenge. It's difficult. This was the most difficult
Speaker 3: one I've been a part of. And I actually think
Speaker 3: as we see the people, well not all of them,
Speaker 3: but a lot of the people who had success in
Speaker 3: this game were those that did total madness because they
Speaker 3: were like calloused. So you match that with being in
Speaker 3: love pretty much, having the a third of the house
Speaker 3: running a smear campaign about you being valued or looked
Speaker 3: at as a major threat, and it's a recipe to
Speaker 3: get your ass kicked in elimination. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: Playing the game with someone you love. In expressing how
Speaker 2: differ what it was for both of you. Do you
Speaker 2: think you would ever do another season with Michelle? Oh?
Speaker 3: Well yeah, now it's a completely different situation. Right, So, like,
Speaker 3: if we were to go and play again together, there
Speaker 3: would be no question mark on whose side either one
Speaker 3: of us fell on gotcha?
Speaker 2: Gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 3: Or we would or if we maybe we wouldn't want
Speaker 3: to play together. Maybe we would say you want to
Speaker 3: know what we can be in a relationship and play
Speaker 3: two separate games, but there would be much more communication
Speaker 3: because of the way that our relationship has progressed. So
Speaker 3: I obviously would never want to play against her, right,
Speaker 3: But if she was like, hey, listen, this is where
Speaker 3: I really want to give myself the best shot at
Speaker 3: winning this one, and I think I have to go
Speaker 3: this direction, and that meant that we weren't going to
Speaker 3: I would never, you know, bring this to the table.
Speaker 3: But I don't think she would either. But hypothetically, if
Speaker 3: she did, I'd say, okay, cool, this is kind of fun.
Speaker 3: Like we played board games against each other all the time, right, does.
Speaker 1: She play against the Walker Mulligans and how she want?
Speaker 3: Michelle's very very good at games. Yeah, she's very good.
Speaker 3: She hasn't met the majority of my family yet, so
Speaker 3: we haven't had a game night. But honestly, I don't
Speaker 3: wish that upon her because that is never one time
Speaker 3: ended well.
Speaker 1: I mean, she was the godfather of last season though
Speaker 1: she was I mean, she was making moves and getting
Speaker 1: things done, and I always tell her that's a compliment,
Speaker 1: not an insult by any means. I feel like she
Speaker 1: might be a worthy opponent of the of the Walker. Mulgan.
Speaker 1: You have to keep us posted dev if that game
Speaker 1: night occurs, because I feel like, you know, she could
Speaker 1: take people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing is, if she just was quiet for
Speaker 3: the first twenty minutes, all of us would immediately either
Speaker 3: self sabotage or gang up on each other and be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's okay if she wins, because none of us win,
Speaker 3: it'd be a good position for her to be in.
Speaker 2: Actually, so you had the love of your life, Michelle.
Speaker 2: You have to leave her, but you also have to
Speaker 2: leave your right of day, your ace boomcool, your main
Speaker 2: apple scrapple, which was Tory right, And so what do
Speaker 2: you hope Toy does when she goes back into the house.
Speaker 3: You know, I've never ever heard anyone else use that saying.
Speaker 3: But I actually have a photo of Tory and underneath
Speaker 3: it it says my main apple scrapple. Oh really, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I I don't I've never heard. Oh wow, I've never
Speaker 3: heard that one before. I love it though. I maybe
Speaker 3: maybe I'll maybe I'll put that nametag under there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was. I was so excited for her to win.
Speaker 3: It's obviously, and I want to just say this too.
Speaker 3: I do not blame anybody. It seems like they all like,
Speaker 3: really dislike me for some reason. Laurel has some things
Speaker 3: to say, Rachel has some things to say. Obviously, Johnny's
Speaker 3: not a fan. A lot of the people. Really, I
Speaker 3: feel like they really didn't like me. I'm not entirely
Speaker 3: What did you do? Dev What do I existed? I
Speaker 3: truly existed as I always do. And it was they
Speaker 3: just felt, I truly believe they felt intimidated, and they
Speaker 3: felt like they were on the outs. And it's easy
Speaker 3: when the snowball starts to gain momentum to just hop
Speaker 3: on the train, which is why I usually, when I
Speaker 3: have the energy to care enough, will extinguish the flame
Speaker 3: before it can catch any more fuel. I just didn't
Speaker 3: have the I didn't have it in me this season,
Speaker 3: but I hope Toy wins it. Obviously. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: in Go Tori or go Michelle mode. We haven't played
Speaker 3: a Challenge season without each other in a long time.
Speaker 3: Thirty seven we go all the way to the end,
Speaker 3: thirty eight we win it. Forty we're here. She played
Speaker 3: USA two without me, but that's obviously kind of a
Speaker 3: different game. So it's been a while for either of
Speaker 3: us on the flagship without the other one there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'll just you know, no spoilers, but that that
Speaker 3: rider Die bond runs pretty.
Speaker 5: Deep, and I've got a feeling that my presence is
Speaker 5: going to continue to be felt in this game long
Speaker 5: after I'm gone.
Speaker 1: Basically, you're gonna recavoc from the other side. What it
Speaker 1: sounds like, dev The last time you were here on
Speaker 1: the podcast where we got to interview you, you shared
Speaker 1: some interesting strategies around preparing for this game. Has there
Speaker 1: been anything else that you've added since we've spoken to
Speaker 1: you to your arsenal of how you train for the challenge.
Speaker 3: I mean, if the shoe fits, wear it right. So
Speaker 3: I don't think that there's anything that I've really added
Speaker 3: to my repertoire, my training repertoire physically, I think mentally
Speaker 3: going into another one, what I would need to do
Speaker 3: is really get back to my core of kind of
Speaker 3: finding a nice not publicly. I hate when fucking people
Speaker 3: publicly meditate. I hate it. I'm like, okay, we get it,
Speaker 3: your medica, But like, uh, I think you. I think
Speaker 3: that is a really undervalued skill set in this game,
Speaker 3: is to be able to shut your brain off. And
Speaker 3: so if I were to go back into this thing,
Speaker 3: and now, trust me, there's I've always had a list
Speaker 3: of people I could I could go against. I am
Speaker 3: so dangerous when people have wronged me because I get
Speaker 3: to completely take you off the list. Believe it or not,
Speaker 3: I'm a pretty compassionate person. I don't like going after people.
Speaker 3: It's very difficult for me to go after someone who's
Speaker 3: never done anything wrong for me. Watching this season back,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I don't have enough pockets to hold
Speaker 3: all the grudges. I don't. It is. I mean, I
Speaker 3: can close my eyes and throw a dart at the board.
Speaker 3: So the motivation that I potentially lacked going into forty
Speaker 3: because I, you know, coming off a win, getting that,
Speaker 3: getting that kind of scratching that itch, proving people wrong.
Speaker 3: This was exactly what I needed to reignite my passion
Speaker 3: for airying my enemies and mark my words, when you
Speaker 3: see me back, and I will be back. I do
Speaker 3: not forget, and I will be prepared to recavoc.
Speaker 1: Not you making threats and promises. Did you hear that podcast?
Speaker 2: Did you hear that?
Speaker 3: People record it? Play it over and over and over again,
Speaker 3: screen grabb it. Just know that if you have wronged
Speaker 3: me in this season and we haven't had a conversation
Speaker 3: about forgiveness, which there have been none of so far,
Speaker 3: you're getting got.
Speaker 1: Josh, pick up the pile, Josh, Josh, run on the phone.
Speaker 1: Dev I'm guessing that doesn't include Derek Ce because we
Speaker 1: saw that birthday present he gave you that's floating around
Speaker 1: now on Twitter of him doing a lap dance base
Speaker 1: he's like pee popping on a handstand but over you,
Speaker 1: which is very impressive from a balance standpoint. But I'm
Speaker 1: guessing that he's not on your your hit list because
Speaker 1: that was one hell of a gift.
Speaker 3: Derek has lifetime immunity because of that party. He really does,
Speaker 3: He truly does, Derek. You can do anything you want.
Speaker 3: You're You're all the way in. And Ryan too. The
Speaker 3: thing is like that those two were so fun. They're
Speaker 3: so and what pisces me off is that you want
Speaker 3: to talk about an undervalued skill set and and everyone's
Speaker 3: saying neami and bananas. They're carrying the team. They're carrying
Speaker 3: the team. I take Derek over either of them in
Speaker 3: a final any day of the week. I don't think
Speaker 3: that Ryan has trained enough to be there yet, but
Speaker 3: he has it, he has the ability to be there.
Speaker 3: I'm on you right now. Derek is one of the
Speaker 3: most well rounded, impressive competitors I've ever played the game with,
Speaker 3: and they and the upside down face is just helping
Speaker 3: his case.
Speaker 1: It does just help his g Derek is, you know, fierce.
Speaker 1: I almost ran a final with him, you know, many
Speaker 1: years ago now in Bawl the seasons, and he and
Speaker 1: John Ay had pretty much gotten down to two players,
Speaker 1: but they were kicking butt. Like Derek is not someone
Speaker 1: people do sleep on him, which also might be a
Speaker 1: bit of a superpower in a way. But he I
Speaker 1: agree with you that he is. You know, he's he's
Speaker 1: low key a force to be reckoned with, and even
Speaker 1: just from the balance alone, because how many of us
Speaker 1: can do a handstand on a couch not fall over
Speaker 1: on top of someone and TOWERK, I don't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been delivered. Yeah, that means they could back in
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 3: They also they also missed the number one thing that
Speaker 3: happened in the whole season, which was Out of Barbecue,
Speaker 3: where Derek's alter ego is Casey Diaz, And there was
Speaker 3: a song. I forget what song came on, but I
Speaker 3: think it was like it was like firework or something
Speaker 3: like that, and Derek did a full performance which now
Speaker 3: watch for this when they show the pool. There were
Speaker 3: like these big bird cages kind of all around the property,
Speaker 3: and so Derek grabs both hands behind his head, grabs
Speaker 3: the bird cage bars, inverts himself and while he's inverting himself,
Speaker 3: gets his head stuck in the cage. Oh now he's
Speaker 3: fully inverted, dancing to firework with his head stuck in
Speaker 3: the bird cage. It was the best thing I've ever
Speaker 3: seen on a lectric. We had to like pull the
Speaker 3: bars apart so he could get his.
Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh, insane. That that's so good. I
Speaker 1: hope they please play that on air. Footage. Please please please,
Speaker 1: that is hilarious. All right, dev If you've been listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast this season, you know that we're doing
Speaker 1: a little thing because the eras kind of remind us
Speaker 1: of like, you know, high school vibes. We're doing superlatives.
Speaker 1: Did you have superlatives when you were in school? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I will give you one guess as to
Speaker 3: the one that I want.
Speaker 1: Ooh, day, you go first, But he thinks, oh, say this,
Speaker 1: it's a classic. Most likely to be a politician.
Speaker 2: I could see that.
Speaker 3: No, I would never be a politician.
Speaker 1: Gross most likely to be on a reality show class clown.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that. I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: That class clown. Yep, and I really was a clown.
Speaker 3: I think I kind of still am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you're a serious clown, though some
Speaker 1: like there's like a split because you're not just You're
Speaker 1: not like just blatantly goofy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: No, I do get mad. Clowns don't really get mad.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: I think it's a certain type of person to understand
Speaker 2: your humor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's definitely true, like a maybe
Speaker 3: a smart person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think that's true. Day we never
Speaker 1: asked you. Were you a most likely too in school?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What most likely most likely to end up on television?
Speaker 2: For sure? Really?
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we like to do superlatives for each team this season,
Speaker 1: so we want to hear what you would say about
Speaker 1: each era. Let's start backwards this time with Ara four.
Speaker 1: So in your opinion, and it can be anything, Era
Speaker 1: four is most likely to what.
Speaker 3: Era four is? Air four is most likely to make
Speaker 3: a hollow deal.
Speaker 1: Mmmm? Interesting, Okay, okay, what about three?
Speaker 3: Air three is most likely to be best looking?
Speaker 2: I cannot.
Speaker 1: You know what Era two ahead?
Speaker 3: It's true? Uh, Era two is most likely to have
Speaker 3: really good exotic dancers.
Speaker 1: Fair. I mean we've seen it and that's fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And Era one is hm hmmm, I mean there's
Speaker 3: so much low hanging fruit here. But I'm going to
Speaker 3: go a different route and just go most likely to
Speaker 3: accept victory or defeat with Grace and I agree, they
Speaker 3: really were they really were with with I guess the
Speaker 3: exception of Tina.
Speaker 1: But we do love funny, so freaking funny. That's so true.
Speaker 1: It's been so great having you d. This is the
Speaker 1: Triple D Podcast today with.
Speaker 3: That's right, and honestly, I've put on a few pounds.
Speaker 3: I'm probably chasing that cup size right now.
Speaker 1: Well, if you need to borrow Brock, just give me
Speaker 1: a call. I can loan you one. For those who
Speaker 1: want to stand in the note on what you've got
Speaker 1: going on, or who want to see Okay, wait, what
Speaker 1: did we call it again? There was dev Shell and
Speaker 1: then there was.
Speaker 3: Mach Yeah, we've married it down to two. One of
Speaker 3: them is dev Shell, the other one is miss Chevin.
Speaker 1: We need you guys to vote. We should put up
Speaker 1: a poll on Twitter, or you guys just tweet us
Speaker 1: which ones you like better, dev Shell or michevn. But
Speaker 1: for those who want to just follow along with you
Speaker 1: guys or support you, where can they find you? In socials?
Speaker 3: I make a pretty pretty regular appearances on Michelle's story,
Speaker 3: so I would probably just go there. I think she
Speaker 3: is at mish fits.
Speaker 1: Look at him hyping up his level even Okay, can
Speaker 1: I can I come to the wedding? Is all I'm asking.
Speaker 1: I know he's aways, but I'm just gonna put it
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 3: You gotta. I think we got to see how the
Speaker 3: rest of this season unfolds while I'm gone, before we
Speaker 3: start hearing those those those wedding bells are ringing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm already I'm already hearing a ding
Speaker 1: and a dung.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna put my money and say
Speaker 2: she she was on our best behavior.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course, No, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about that at all. She's She's truly
Speaker 3: the best. And yeah, I mean if if there ever
Speaker 3: is a wedding, it'll be a ten thousand person wedding.
Speaker 3: So everyone's invited. Look under you I'm the Oprah Winfrey
Speaker 3: of wedding invitations. Look under your chair. You've got an invite.
Speaker 1: Deal and deal. So good. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: Dev it's been it's always a pleasure watching you and
Speaker 1: just watching kind of how you've grown over the seasons,
Speaker 1: and hated to see you go this time, but excited
Speaker 1: to see you come back where you feel like you're
Speaker 1: fully invigorated and ready to kick butt in the game.
Speaker 1: If you had to leave a message to your girls,
Speaker 1: I know the season's already done filming, but if you
Speaker 1: had to leave a little message to your girls talking
Speaker 1: about Tory and Michelle, what would you say to them
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same thing that I tell everybody
Speaker 3: all the time. Measure twice, cut once, pick your horses,
Speaker 3: rock with them till the end, and when this thing,
Speaker 3: you know, plays out, make sure that win or lose,
Speaker 3: you can go back and be proud of the way
Speaker 3: you play the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Love that good stuff. Yeah, Deev, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: It's been so fun.
Speaker 3: It has been fun. I appreciate you guys for having
Speaker 3: me shout out to the Official Challenge Podcast, all the
Speaker 3: producers and of course the two of you, and also
Speaker 3: to Anissa and Tory. The four of you carry the
Speaker 3: flame with just such a flawless I'm want to say grace.
Speaker 3: And the way you guys can interchange and keep the
Speaker 3: same different energies and vibes, but like the same high
Speaker 3: level of professionalism is very cool to watch. So congratulations
Speaker 3: stuff everyone involved on this podcast for having a really
Speaker 3: cool listen and a very fun pod.
Speaker 1: Love you. That's so sweet. He brought me Margarita's at
Speaker 1: the aftermath. I don't know if Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 3: You never know. And truly when I give a compliment,
Speaker 3: you know it's real. Yeah, so you guys can take
Speaker 3: that one to the bank, because if it sucked, I
Speaker 3: would tell you.
Speaker 1: Appreciate that so much. To deb well, obviously you're welcome anytime.
Speaker 1: So happy that you're part of the Challenge family and
Speaker 1: rooting for your girls. I mean, obviously we can't show favoritism,
Speaker 1: but like you know, we I love Michelle and Tory,
Speaker 1: so it'll be fun to see how this plays out.
Speaker 3: I can show favoritism and go tourshell.
Speaker 2: There you go, so that one is locked in.
Speaker 3: That is locked in. Thanks for having me, guys, I
Speaker 3: really appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well, there you have it. We got to talk to
Speaker 1: the man, Devin Walker Mulligan and Day. How did it
Speaker 1: feel to be sandwiched between two devns?
Speaker 2: It was absolutely amazing. I would do it anytime, Devin, Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 2: While we're loving what we can find on the podcast,
Speaker 2: how do we love? Where we can find you on
Speaker 2: the socials of the media's.
Speaker 1: Well, you can always go to my website, devinsimone dot com.
Speaker 1: That's Devin with a Y Simone with an I. You
Speaker 1: can see some socials there. I'm pretty active on Instagram
Speaker 1: that's Devin Simone. I'm on TikTok as well. Devin Simone
Speaker 1: comment say hi Twitter. Also, we want to know your
Speaker 1: vote for dev Shell or miss Chevin Sos. Tweet us
Speaker 1: and let us know what your thoughts are so we
Speaker 1: can come back and let you know the tally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm also on Snapchat occasionally. Devinsmon's all the same spelling
Speaker 1: made it super simple. But come say hi and hang
Speaker 1: because I always love to see you and in the
Speaker 1: Amazon lives that I do, those are always fun too.
Speaker 1: What about you day? Where can people find you?
Speaker 2: The people can find me right here on the podcast,
Speaker 2: but you can also find me on all all of
Speaker 2: the socials of the media's at Davon Diane Underscore. That's
Speaker 2: Davion Diane Underscore. As always. Thanks you guys so much
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