WEBVTT - Inheritance Lost: The Murder of Captain Joseph White

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Jenkins Napp Junior was expecting to receive a sizeable

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<v Speaker 2>inheritance upon the death of his eighty two year old

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<v Speaker 2>great uncle, Captain Joseph White, but with debts piling up,

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<v Speaker 2>Napp decided he couldn't wait for natural causes. He and

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<v Speaker 2>his brother, John Francis Knapp also known as Frank, hired

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<v Speaker 2>a hitman to murder him, and then things got way

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<v Speaker 2>out of their control. Welcome to Criminalia, I'm Maria Tremarky.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm Holly Fryme in eighteen thirty When This Tail Unfolds.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Joseph White was a wealthy retired shipmaster and trader

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<v Speaker 1>who lived in a grand home at one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight Essex Street in Salem, Massachusetts. He employed Benjamin White,

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<v Speaker 1>a distant relative who was house handyman Lydia Kimball, a

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<v Speaker 1>domestic worker, and Mary White Beckford, his niece and housekeeper.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary White Beckford's daughter, also named Mary, lived a short

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<v Speaker 1>distance away in the town of Wenham, and she was

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<v Speaker 1>married to Captain White's grand nephew Joseph Jenkins Nap Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Junior learned through his mother in law that White

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<v Speaker 2>had changed his will, and he was angry that he

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<v Speaker 2>would be getting less inheritance than he had expected and

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<v Speaker 2>that his wife's family too had been impacted. He had

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<v Speaker 2>an idea. He got greedy is what he got. White

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<v Speaker 2>was a widower and had no children. He did have

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<v Speaker 2>potential heirs, though the children of his siblings. His brother

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<v Speaker 2>had four children and his sister had one. If he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't name an heir, his wealth could legally have been

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<v Speaker 2>split in basically one of two ways. If Captain White's

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<v Speaker 2>assets were distributed per capita, each niece and nephew would

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<v Speaker 2>receive an equal one fifth of the total fortune. Alternative,

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<v Speaker 2>if it was divided for sturpys, then each branch of

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<v Speaker 2>the family would receive an equal share of his estate,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning his brother and his sister would both receive fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Junior convinced himself that if his great uncle died

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<v Speaker 2>without a will, his mother in law White's niece would

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<v Speaker 2>be in a position to inherit a significant amount of

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<v Speaker 2>that fortune, and he believed that money would go directly

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<v Speaker 2>to write into his own pocket. He was incorrect on

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<v Speaker 2>all of this, but he didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>The Captain was a wealthy member of the White family.

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<v Speaker 1>But he wasn't necessarily a beloved family member. He was

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<v Speaker 1>known to be a bit of a tyrant when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to his money, and he was known to weaponize

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<v Speaker 1>and exploit how he would distribute his assets after his

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<v Speaker 1>death to get what he wanted while he was still alive.

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<v Speaker 1>The Captain did not much like Joseph Junior, who had

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<v Speaker 1>worked for him, and he considered him a quote lazy

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<v Speaker 1>cow fortune hunter. When his grand niece Mary Beckford married

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Junior without White's consent, he disinherited her and fired

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<v Speaker 1>Nap from his employment. This event is what sets our

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<v Speaker 1>story in motion.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Junior conspired first with his brother Frank to hire

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<v Speaker 2>local criminal Richard Crowninshield to murder Captain Joseph White. The

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<v Speaker 2>Knapp brothers had known Richard and his brother George since

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<v Speaker 2>they were all teenagers, and Frank made the deal next

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<v Speaker 2>to decide. When, on the night of April second, eighteen thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>they finalized the plan, it was decided it would take

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<v Speaker 2>place on April sixth, a night when they knew Mary

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<v Speaker 2>White Beckford would be in Wenham at Joseph Junior's home

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<v Speaker 2>with her daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Four days before the murder, so pretty close to the

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<v Speaker 1>time they made this decision, Joseph Junior looted the Captain's

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<v Speaker 1>iron chest, stealing what he erroneously believed to be White's

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<v Speaker 1>legal will. An iron ches generally was used to store

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<v Speaker 1>important and sometimes secret papers, but there was another will,

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<v Speaker 1>a newer version favoring his nephew, Stephen White, and that

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<v Speaker 1>will was not in his home. It was secured in

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<v Speaker 1>the office of his lawyer. Unaware of his mistake, Joseph

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<v Speaker 1>Junior hid the will that he had and then burned

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<v Speaker 1>it after the murder. Basically, he ordered White's death to

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<v Speaker 1>get his hands on a fortune that would never be

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<v Speaker 1>his to have.

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<v Speaker 2>On April sixth, Joseph Junior visited the Captain's home and

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<v Speaker 2>before leaving, he unlocked the back parlor window. That night,

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<v Speaker 2>murderer for hire, Richard Crouninshield, entered the house through the

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<v Speaker 2>unlatched window, reaching it by climbing a wooden plank. He

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<v Speaker 2>went to the Captain's bedroom, where he then clubbed White

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<v Speaker 2>in the head and stabbed him multiple times with a

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<v Speaker 2>long dagger known as a dirk while he slept. Neither

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<v Speaker 2>of the Knapp brothers entered the house that night.

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<v Speaker 1>The next morning, Benjamin White woke at six am, and

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<v Speaker 1>upon opening the shutters the kitchen window, observed that the

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<v Speaker 1>back window of the parlor was unexpectedly open. Also unexpectedly,

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<v Speaker 1>a plank was raised to the window from the backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>The captain's bedroom door, upon investigation, was also unexpectedly open.

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<v Speaker 1>White was lying in his bed, his clothing and bedding

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<v Speaker 1>saturated with blood. Nothing in the house, including valuables, appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to have been tampered with. Nothing seemed to be missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen White was a prominent Salem merchant and political leader,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was also the captain's favored nephew. We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>him referred to as White's adopted son. They were that tight.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also the principal heir to the captain's fortune.

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately upon hearing of the death, Stephen sent for William Ward,

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<v Speaker 2>who had been Joseph White's clerk and business assistant for

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<v Speaker 2>many years, and Samuel Johnson, a prominent Salem position. Ward

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<v Speaker 2>made an interesting note from the crime scene near the

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<v Speaker 2>plank left at the open window, he discovered two footprints.

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<v Speaker 2>This was still decades before footprints were considered important evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>or evidence at all, but Word covered them with a

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<v Speaker 2>milk pan to secure them from tampering and from weather

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<v Speaker 2>in case they could be helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon cursory examination of the body, doctor Johnson concluded that

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<v Speaker 1>the death had occurred as little as three to four

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<v Speaker 1>hours earlier. He noted thirteen stab wounds, five in the

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<v Speaker 1>region of the heart, three near the left nipple, and

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<v Speaker 1>five others placed as though White's arms had been lifted

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<v Speaker 1>up and he had been stabbed underneath. He also determined

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<v Speaker 1>a blow to the head was the initial wound, and

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<v Speaker 1>he concluded that a full autopsy should be conducted. Doctor Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>assisted by his colleague doctor Abel Pearson, performed the autopsy

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<v Speaker 1>on April eighth. It was agreed that the skull fracture

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<v Speaker 1>was due to a single severe blow from something like

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<v Speaker 1>a cane or a bludgeon. The chest wounds they determined

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<v Speaker 1>were caused by a dirk, and noted that its crossguard

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<v Speaker 1>had struck the ribs with enough force to break them.

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<v Speaker 1>Though Johnson believed there was one assailant, Pearson was not

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<v Speaker 1>so sure. Stephen White gave the Salem Gazette permission to

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<v Speaker 1>publish the autopsy findings, no matter how gruesome, and that

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<v Speaker 1>report read, in part quote, A fracture of the skull

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<v Speaker 1>bone was discovered, the largest diameter of which was three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half inches. This portion of bone was depressed

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<v Speaker 1>below the level of the surrounding skull and was somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>loose and moveable. On examining the heart, there were found

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<v Speaker 1>at its apex two wounds. Also, a little nearer the

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<v Speaker 1>base of the heart were two long slits. The slits

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<v Speaker 1>were found connected with the perforations and were evidently produced

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<v Speaker 1>by the same blows. The posterior and inferior portion of

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<v Speaker 1>the left lung was likewise perforated in several places.

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<v Speaker 2>The residents of Salem were shocked, one that there'd been

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<v Speaker 2>a murder, but two a murder of such a prominent citizen,

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<v Speaker 2>contrary to his behavior with his family. People in town

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<v Speaker 2>considered White to be quite amicable. They organized a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven member group they called a Committee of Vigilance, also

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<v Speaker 2>known as the Vigilance Committee, to investigate Vigilante groups like

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<v Speaker 2>this are typically citizens who organize outside of legal authority

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<v Speaker 2>to keep order and punish criminals because they believe the

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<v Speaker 2>usual legal agencies to be inadequate, or in some cases

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<v Speaker 2>those agencies just don't exist. The committee was sanctioned to

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<v Speaker 2>do things law enforcement could not, such as quote, search

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<v Speaker 2>any house without a warrant and interrogate every individual. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you're thinking, but yes, you are right. This was

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<v Speaker 2>in direct opposition to the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not what the citizens of Salem were worried

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<v Speaker 2>about in that moment. They were worried about a brutal murderer.

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<v Speaker 1>At large.

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<v Speaker 2>Rewards and some quite sizable, were offered for information leading

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<v Speaker 2>to the perpetrator or perpetrators and for any information about

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<v Speaker 2>the crime. Immediately after the Captain's death, Stephen White offered

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<v Speaker 2>a one thousand dollars reward. Soon after, the town fathers

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<v Speaker 2>offered five hundred dollars for information about the crime.

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<v Speaker 1>There were many articles published addressing moral outrage in Salem,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as general confusion among its residents, and the

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<v Speaker 1>press seemed to print more commentary than actual news. On

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<v Speaker 1>April ninth, the Salem Gazette published quote, A murder has

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<v Speaker 1>been perpetrated so horrible and atrocious that we should in

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<v Speaker 1>vain search the records of crime in any country for

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<v Speaker 1>a case exceeding it in the single purpose of the

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrator seems to have been the taking of life. The

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<v Speaker 1>next day, the Salem Observer reported on the climate this

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<v Speaker 1>created among residents of Salem, stating, quote, the imagination of

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is busy not only devising possible ways in which

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<v Speaker 1>the assassin proceeded to execute his hellish purpose, but also

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<v Speaker 1>in framing adequate motives for his conduct.

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<v Speaker 2>About three weeks after the murder, while emotions were still

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<v Speaker 2>running very high, the Knap brothers came forward to falsely

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<v Speaker 2>testify before the Vigilance Committee that on the night prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the murder, they were approached near Wenham Pond by

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<v Speaker 2>three robbers who had come upon their carriage while they

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<v Speaker 2>were returning from Salem to their home and Wenham, a

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<v Speaker 2>journey that's less than ten miles. One of them grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>the horse's bridle, and the other two stole a small

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<v Speaker 2>trunk they were carrying in the bottom of their carriage

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<v Speaker 2>and that tall tail. That just added to the confusion

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<v Speaker 2>of the scene, and it led many to fear that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a gang of criminals at work. In their village.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a break here for a word

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<v Speaker 1>from our sponsors. When we return, we will talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how authorities started to close in on the perpetrator, who

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<v Speaker 1>sent blackmail letters to whom and who gave a detailed

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<v Speaker 1>written confession about the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's keep moving along with the case,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically when and how investigators finally got their first clue.

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<v Speaker 1>There were no clues in the case until Stephen White

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<v Speaker 1>received a letter from a jailer roughly eighty miles away

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<v Speaker 1>in New Bedford, Massachusetts. He was holding a relatively un

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<v Speaker 1>own petty thief who stated that he knew a man

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<v Speaker 1>named Richard Crowninshield who had told him that he intended

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<v Speaker 1>to kill Captain Joseph White in Salem. Following up on

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<v Speaker 1>this lead, the Vigilance Committee learned that the prisoner named

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<v Speaker 1>Hatch had been arrested for shoplifting and had been in

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<v Speaker 1>jail the night of White's murder, but had some interesting

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<v Speaker 1>information about White's death. During questioning, the committee learned that

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<v Speaker 1>a few months before the murder, back in February, before

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<v Speaker 1>Hatch was incarcerated, he had overheard Richard and George Crowninshield

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<v Speaker 1>discussing their intent to steal Joseph White's iron chest. He

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<v Speaker 1>also overheard them discussing their murderous intentions at the gambling

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<v Speaker 1>house that night. The Crown and Shields were a notable

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<v Speaker 1>and wealthy local family. Richard and George, though preferred spending

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<v Speaker 1>their time in quote haunts of vice.

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<v Speaker 2>The Committee of Vigilance brought Hatch to testify before a

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<v Speaker 2>Salem grand jury, after which on May fifth, Richard Crowninshield

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<v Speaker 2>was indicted for murder. George Crowninshield, as well as two

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<v Speaker 2>men who'd been in the gambling house that same night

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<v Speaker 2>as Hatch, were charged with abetting the crime. The two men,

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<v Speaker 2>Selman and Chase, were soon discharged.

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<v Speaker 1>About a week later. On May fourteenth, Joseph J. Knapp, senior,

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<v Speaker 1>father of the Nap brothers, received correspondence from a mister

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Grant of Belfast, Maine, who was demanding a large

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<v Speaker 1>sum of money to avoid quote ruinous disclosures regarding the Naps.

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<v Speaker 1>Grant wrote, quote, I am acquainted with your brother Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>and also the business that he was transacting for you

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<v Speaker 1>on the second of April last and that I think

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<v Speaker 1>you were very extravagant in giving one thousand dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>the person that would execute the business for you. You see,

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<v Speaker 1>such things will break out. This letter, a blackmail letter,

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<v Speaker 1>made no sense to Joseph Senior. He didn't know anyone

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Charles Grant, he had no acquaintances

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<v Speaker 1>in Belfast, Maine, and he was completely boggled why he

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<v Speaker 1>needed to pay three hundred and fifty dollars. Alarmed, he

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<v Speaker 1>consulted with his sons, and Joseph Junior, the letter's intended recipient,

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<v Speaker 1>called it quote a devilish lot of trash, and he

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<v Speaker 1>advised his father to take it to the Vigilance Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>and Joseph Senior did just that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Joseph Junior wrote two letters, both claiming to

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<v Speaker 2>be from Charles Grant. The first letter was sent to

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<v Speaker 2>the Committee of Vigilance, in which he claimed that he

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<v Speaker 2>now remember Joseph Junior is pretending here to be Grant

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<v Speaker 2>had been hired to murder Joseph White by the Captain's nephew,

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<v Speaker 2>Stephen White. The second letter from the fake Grant was

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<v Speaker 2>sent to Stephen White, demanding payment for the murder and

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<v Speaker 2>read as follows, quote, mister White sent five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>or part of it before tomorrow night, or suffer the

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<v Speaker 2>painful consol sequences Grant.

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<v Speaker 1>Things were getting tense. According to one published account, one

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<v Speaker 1>of Stephen White's brothers in law, discovering that Stephen had

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<v Speaker 1>inherited the bulk of the captain's estate quote, seized White

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<v Speaker 1>by the collar, shook him violently in the presence of family,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he accused him of being the murderer. And

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, he got that wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>The Vigilance Committee sent fifty dollars anonymously to Grant, promising

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<v Speaker 2>to send more. They also sent a messenger to Belfast, Maine,

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<v Speaker 2>where they'd arranged to arrest at the post office whomever

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<v Speaker 2>came to retrieve Grant's mail. When a man identifying as

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<v Speaker 2>their target collected the extortion money, he was taken into custody.

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<v Speaker 2>But Grant, it turned out, wasn't Charles Grant either. He

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<v Speaker 2>was an ex convict named Palmer, and he was a

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<v Speaker 2>friend and associate of Richard Crowninshield. He had been privy

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<v Speaker 2>to the whole murderous plot, and he knew it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Knap brothers who instigated the entire thing. Palmer was

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<v Speaker 2>detained as a possible accessory to the Captain's murder and

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<v Speaker 2>was promised immunity for his testimony against the perpetrators.

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<v Speaker 1>Palmer made the following statement quote, I have been an

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<v Speaker 1>associate of George and Richard Crown and Shield, and on

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<v Speaker 1>April second, eighteen thirty, I was sitting by a window

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<v Speaker 1>in their house and saw Frank Knapp drive up the

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<v Speaker 1>Crown and Shield brothers and Nap then went for a walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon their return, George and Richard informed me that Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Knapp had asked them to kill mister White and that

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Napp Junior would pay one thousand dollars for the job.

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<v Speaker 1>Several different modes of executing it were discussed, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was finally decided to kill him at night when Missus

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<v Speaker 1>Beckford was not home. After his testimony and the discovery

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<v Speaker 1>that the false letters written to the committee and to

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen White were in Joseph Junior's handwriting, warrants for the

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<v Speaker 1>arrests of the Nap brothers were procured.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Crowninshield initially was certain that he would be found innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>He kept quiet after his arrest. After all he knew

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<v Speaker 2>if he implicated Frank or Joseph Jr. He would be

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<v Speaker 2>confessing to his own role in the crime. During his imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 2>he asked for books on mathematics as well as Cicero's orations,

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<v Speaker 2>But everything changed for him when Joseph Junior confessed to

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<v Speaker 2>his role in the murder plot. It was on his

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<v Speaker 2>third day of imprisonment when Napp made a full confession.

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<v Speaker 2>He laid it all out, from his motive to his

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<v Speaker 2>role in planning the murder, to fabricating the story of

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<v Speaker 2>being robbed and for forging blackmail letters. The confession document

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<v Speaker 2>was penned by the Reverend Henry Coleman, a close friend

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<v Speaker 2>of the White family, but was signed by Napp.

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<v Speaker 1>That confession was nine pages long, and we'll share some

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<v Speaker 1>of the details that he provided. Quote. I knew that

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<v Speaker 1>mister White had made out a will in which he

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<v Speaker 1>gave my mother in law, Missus Beckford, a legacy of

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand dollars, according to my understanding of the law,

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<v Speaker 1>which I have since learned was erroneous, I believed she

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<v Speaker 1>would get two hundred thousand if no will was found.

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<v Speaker 1>I therefore decided to steal the will and have mister

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<v Speaker 1>White assassinated. My brother Frank negotiated with Richard Crown and Shield,

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<v Speaker 1>who agreed to do the deed for one thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Crown and Shield and my brother Frank met at ten

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock that night by appointment and proceeded to a spot

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<v Speaker 1>where they could observe the movements in White's mansion. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a beautiful moonlit night. Crown and Shield requested Frank

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<v Speaker 1>to go home. He left, but soon returned.

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<v Speaker 2>His confession continued quote. During his absence, the lights in

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<v Speaker 2>the mansion were extinguished, and shortly afterward, the hired assassin

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<v Speaker 2>placed a plank against the house, entered the window, and

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<v Speaker 2>crept upstairs to White's sleeping chamber. Crown and Shield swung

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<v Speaker 2>his bludgeon and struck White on the left temple, probably

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<v Speaker 2>killing him instantly, but to be certain, he lowered the

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<v Speaker 2>bedclothes and stabbed him repeatedly in the region of the heart.

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<v Speaker 2>He then felt his pulse, and, being satisfied that the

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<v Speaker 2>job was well done, he departed. He met Frank on

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<v Speaker 2>a side street. After hiding the bludgeon under the steps

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<v Speaker 2>of a meetinghouse on Howard Street, he returned to Danvers.

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<v Speaker 2>I was home in Wenham on this night.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Junior continued, quote. A few days later, Crown and Shield,

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<v Speaker 1>accompanied by my brother Frank, called on me at my

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<v Speaker 1>home in Wenham and demanded his money. I was only

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<v Speaker 1>able to pay him one hundred five franc pieces. He

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<v Speaker 1>related to me all the details of the assassination, and

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<v Speaker 1>I informed him that our work had been all in vain,

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<v Speaker 1>that the will I stole was not the last one,

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<v Speaker 1>and even if it had been, my object would not

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<v Speaker 1>have been accomplished because of my misunderstanding of the law.

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<v Speaker 1>The story my brother and I told the Vigilance Committee

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<v Speaker 1>on April twenty seventh in regard to the alleged robbery

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<v Speaker 1>was a sheer fabrication, and he added quote it was

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<v Speaker 1>I who wrote the two anonymous letters.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the weapons used. Joseph Junior described them as quote.

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<v Speaker 2>The bludgeon was two feet long, turned of hardwood, and

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<v Speaker 2>ornamented with beads at the end to keep it from slipping.

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<v Speaker 2>The dirk was about five inches long on the blade,

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<v Speaker 2>sharp at both edges and taboring to a point. Officers

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<v Speaker 2>immediately proceeded to the meetinghouse on Howard Street, where they

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<v Speaker 2>found the bludgeon described by Nap exactly where he said

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<v Speaker 2>under the steps.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a break here for a word

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<v Speaker 1>from our sponsors, and when we're back we will introduce

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<v Speaker 1>lead prosecutor Daniel Webster and why it was such a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal that he signed on to this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. We're going to talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>details of the trial, but before we do, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to address another life taken.

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<v Speaker 1>This story is just tragedy upon tragedy, and here we

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<v Speaker 1>have another. When he learned about Joseph Junior's confession, Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing no hope, on June fifteenth, took his own life

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<v Speaker 1>in his jail cell. That act, in the eyes of

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<v Speaker 1>the law, created a problem. Here's why the Knapp brothers

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<v Speaker 1>were to have been tried as accessories to murder. But

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<v Speaker 1>under the existing law of the time, accessories to murder

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be convicted unless the actual murderer was first convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>Crown and Shield had been the actual murderer, the principal

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<v Speaker 1>in the crime, and now he couldn't be tried.

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<v Speaker 2>But still they went on with the trials. And will

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<v Speaker 2>explain how that problem was resolved. In just a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>The case was heard by judges Marcus Morton, Samuel Putnam,

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<v Speaker 2>and Samuel S. Wilde and tried before the Salem Division

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<v Speaker 2>of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. Frank Knap's trial began

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<v Speaker 2>during the court's July term. His brother, Joseph Juniors began

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<v Speaker 2>in November that same year. Joseph Junior was promised immunity

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<v Speaker 2>if he would testify for the prosecution, but when he

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<v Speaker 2>was called to the stand, he refused to testify against

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<v Speaker 2>his brother. A strong case was made, however, without his assistance.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because Stephen White asked lawyer, lawmaker, and future

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<v Speaker 1>Secretary of State Daniel Webster to prosecute the case. Webster

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<v Speaker 1>didn't immediately jump at the chance. Not yet fifty, he

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<v Speaker 1>had already served several terms in the House of Representatives

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<v Speaker 1>before being elected to the United States Senate in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven. He was known as a distinguished defense attorney

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<v Speaker 1>and called the Great Daniel Webster because his courtroom skills

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<v Speaker 1>were impeccable and his oration very persuasive. Will emphasize again

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<v Speaker 1>defense attorney. He also considered that his personal connections with

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<v Speaker 1>the victim's relatives raised some issues over legal ethics, but

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<v Speaker 1>In the end he agreed, and he was paid a

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<v Speaker 1>fee of one thousand dollars by Stephen White to assist

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution, although this really meant that he was leading

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution.

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<v Speaker 2>With a bit of legal paperwork. An indictment for murder

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<v Speaker 2>was found against Frank Knapp, with Joseph J. Knapp Junior

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<v Speaker 2>and George Crowninshield named as accessories to that murder. Webster

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<v Speaker 2>began by addressing the jury regarding his switch from defense

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<v Speaker 2>to prosecution, as follows quotes, I am a little accustomed

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman to the part which I am now attempting to perform.

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<v Speaker 2>Hardly more than once or twice has it happened to

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<v Speaker 2>me to be concerned on the side of the government

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<v Speaker 2>in any criminal prosecution whatever, and never until the present occasion,

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<v Speaker 2>in any case affecting life.

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<v Speaker 1>He described Captain White's murder as quote a most extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>case in some respects. It has hardly a precedent anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly none in our New England history. This bloody drama

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<v Speaker 1>exhibited no suddenly excited, ungovernable rage. The actors in it

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<v Speaker 1>were not surprised by any lion like temptations springing upon

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<v Speaker 1>their virtue and overcoming it before resistance could begin. Nor

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<v Speaker 1>did they do the deed to glut savage vengeance or

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<v Speaker 1>satiate long settled and deadly hate. It was a cool,

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<v Speaker 1>calculating money making murder. It was all higher in salary,

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<v Speaker 1>not revenge. It was the weighing of money against life,

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<v Speaker 1>the counting out of so many pieces of silver again,

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<v Speaker 1>so many ounces of blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Knapp's defense attorneys, Franklin Dexter and W. H. Gardner,

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<v Speaker 2>argued that Knapp had been outside the house, standing in

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<v Speaker 2>the street, at least three hundred feet away from the

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<v Speaker 2>bedroom where the murder took place. Trying to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>focus of the trial on the fact that Webster had

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<v Speaker 2>not satisfied the legal requirements for conviction, the defense stated, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>upon this evidence, the prisoner cannot be convicted as a

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<v Speaker 2>principle in the murder. A principle in the second degree,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the law of England, is by our statutes

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<v Speaker 2>an accessory before the fact, and cannot be tried until

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<v Speaker 2>there has been a conviction of the principle.

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<v Speaker 1>In response to this, Webster stated, quote, to constitute a presence,

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<v Speaker 1>it is sufficient if the accomplice is in a place

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<v Speaker 1>either where he may render aid to the perpetrator of

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<v Speaker 1>the felony, or where the perpetrator supposes he may render aid.

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<v Speaker 1>If they selected the place to afford assistance, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was well or ill chosen for that purpose is immaterial.

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<v Speaker 1>The perpetrator would derive courage and confidence from the knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>that his associate was in the place appointed. Technically, the

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<v Speaker 1>law supported the defense, so it was not an easy

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<v Speaker 1>case for Webster to argue or for a jury to decide.

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<v Speaker 1>Without Richard as the principal in the murder case, Webster

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<v Speaker 1>had to establish that Frank Knapp had been more than

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<v Speaker 1>an accessory. He argued that Frank wasn't just casually waiting

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<v Speaker 1>outside on Brown Street. He asserted that Frank gave direct

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<v Speaker 1>aid to the murderer. The jury deliberated for twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>hours before announcing that they were deadlocked. The judge declared

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<v Speaker 1>a mistrial and the case was retried two days later.

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<v Speaker 2>It was reported that the crowds of people trying to

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<v Speaker 2>enter the courtroom to watch Webster were like quote, the

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<v Speaker 2>tide boiling up on the rocks. He was arismatic, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was a force of nature. Webster addressed the jury

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<v Speaker 2>again stating, quote, are the Croninshields and the Naps innocent?

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<v Speaker 2>What is innocence? How deep stained with blood, how reckless

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<v Speaker 2>in crime, how deep into pravity may it be, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet retain innocence. The law is made if we would

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<v Speaker 2>speak with entire accuracy to protect the innocent by punishing

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<v Speaker 2>the guilty. But there are those innocent out of court

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<v Speaker 2>as well as innocent prisoners at the bar.

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<v Speaker 1>This time, it took just five hours of deliberation. The

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<v Speaker 1>jury agreed with Webster that John Francis Knapp, whom we

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<v Speaker 1>have been calling Frank, was principal to the crime, and

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<v Speaker 1>convicted him of murder. Four months later, Joseph Junior was

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<v Speaker 1>convicted as well. The Knap brothers were both sentenced to

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<v Speaker 1>execution by hanging Frank on September twenty eighth, eighteen thirty

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<v Speaker 1>and Joseph Junior on December thirty first, eighteen thirty and

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<v Speaker 1>George Crown and Shields. Don't worry. We did not forget

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<v Speaker 1>about him. But he dropped out of the story when

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<v Speaker 1>he proved that he had spent the night of the

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<v Speaker 1>murder with two women. Both of those women provided him

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<v Speaker 1>with an alibi, and he was acquitted.

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<v Speaker 2>In the end, this became one of the first cases

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<v Speaker 2>in which accessories to murder were tried, convicted, and executed,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that the actual murderer was never convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>So also, it's true that fictional murder mysteries are often

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<v Speaker 2>based on real murders, right, and this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>those murders, not for its outcome or that White had

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<v Speaker 2>been wealthy, but because of Daniel Webster and his outstanding

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<v Speaker 2>legal performance. The trials spawned pamphlets and broadsides, and many

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<v Speaker 2>scholars believe that American writer Edgar Allan Poe relied heavily

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<v Speaker 2>on Webster's oratory prowess when writing the dramatic and deliberate

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<v Speaker 2>speech of the narrator in his short story The Telltale Heart,

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<v Speaker 2>which he first published in eighteen forty three. Poe pops

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<v Speaker 2>up a lot on the show Poe Is everywhere. It

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<v Speaker 2>takes influence on a lot of things in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he does. Would you like to have a

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<v Speaker 1>little coercion concoction that story? Yes, consider this case. This

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<v Speaker 1>was an interesting one for me. I accidentally made something

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<v Speaker 1>better than I intended to. If that makes sense. It

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<v Speaker 1>does make sense because I knew from the beginning, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to call this drink blunt force, because that was

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<v Speaker 1>the manner of death. H Ia is a little grizzly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought, oh, I'll make a really strong drink

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<v Speaker 1>that is maybe not a soft, delicious sip, but has

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<v Speaker 1>its own unique thing. I ended up making something delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, it's gonna also shock you because it involves

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna kick right off with something that I am not.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people love, but I have been very open. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't especially love it. I also was a little inspired

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<v Speaker 1>by drinks like the Sasarac coming into being around this time,

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<v Speaker 1>although in New Orleans, not in Massachusetts. But so we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start with a glazed glass. That's my Sazaac inspiration here.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're gonna glaze your rocks glass with COMPARI whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, right, pour a little bit in, roll it

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<v Speaker 1>around in there to glaze the whole interior, and then

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<v Speaker 1>fill it with ice and let that sit and get

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<v Speaker 1>cold while you were making the rest of the drink.

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<v Speaker 1>So then into your shaker you were gonna put three

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<v Speaker 1>quarters of an ounce of freshly squeezed lime juice. A

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<v Speaker 1>quarter ounce of orjois a half ounce of Saint Germain

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<v Speaker 1>or another elderflower liqueur, and then an ounce and a

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<v Speaker 1>half of rum. Take this and get a nice and

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<v Speaker 1>cold and strain it into your glazed glass. Had this

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<v Speaker 1>been the end of the drink, you would have been like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what you wanted to do. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>love it. I wanted it to be at least a

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<v Speaker 1>little more tasty. It was just too heavy. It wasn't bad,

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<v Speaker 1>kept going, but it was too heavy. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know what I bought recently on a whim,

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<v Speaker 1>some blood orange ginger beer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just added not very much an ounce to

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<v Speaker 1>an ounce and a half on top of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it suddenly became the most delicious interesting. It's a little complex.

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<v Speaker 1>I get a little bit of almost a prickly effect

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<v Speaker 1>on my lips from the campari because it's bitter and

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<v Speaker 1>it's right there at the glass, but it's so incredibly delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this in case you're like, blood orange

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<v Speaker 1>ginger beer, Where am I going to find that? The

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<v Speaker 1>answer is it's actually pretty easy these days. It's quite popular.

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<v Speaker 1>If you cannot, though, don't worry, I got you. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can find blood oranges. You can add about a

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<v Speaker 1>half ounce of blood orange juice and regular ginger beer.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an option like an ounce of ginger beer. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have that either, you can do a half

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<v Speaker 1>ounce of grapefruit juice with a couple dashes of bitters,

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<v Speaker 1>and then your ginger beer. And that is the blunt force.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the mocktail for this we gotta skip the glaze.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know a good way to approximate COMPARI and

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<v Speaker 1>it's very unique, very bitter. Liqueur call it bitter again,

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<v Speaker 1>do not worry, though, we have a delicious drink free

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<v Speaker 1>in this instance. Start with your blood orange ginger beer

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<v Speaker 1>as the main star. And again same substitutions. If you

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<v Speaker 1>can't find that you can squeeze blood orange, you can

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<v Speaker 1>use grapefruit juice and bitters if you are amenable to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people don't do bitters even at all if they're

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent alcohol free. And then you are going

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<v Speaker 1>to add a half ounce of an elderflower syrup, which

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty easy to get. Also, same thing, quarter ounce

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<v Speaker 1>of almond syrup, three quarters or or jia, three quarders

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<v Speaker 1>of an ounce of lime juice, and I would actually

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<v Speaker 1>just say, skip the rum, just double up on your

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<v Speaker 1>blood orange ginger beer to three ounces, because in this

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<v Speaker 1>case we're not using a spiced rum. We're using a

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<v Speaker 1>white rum, a clear rum, and it doesn't add to

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<v Speaker 1>my palette in the final drink a significant element to

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<v Speaker 1>the flavor profile. So you can skip it and just

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<v Speaker 1>double up on your ginger beer, which is delicious anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the blunt force, which is stupidly delicious. I

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<v Speaker 1>meant to make a drink that was mean and had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that thing like when there are just some

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<v Speaker 1>drinks that we'd joke. It felt like I got slapped

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<v Speaker 1>by this drink, and I wanted to do that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I instead made something yummy in my tummy.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love this blood orange ginger beer addition to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally found mine in my grocery store. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even on the regular soda ale and I checked, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of grocery stores in my area carry it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it probably is not too hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get just about anywhere, at least in the US. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're outside the US, I don't know. It's because I

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<v Speaker 1>also don't know what is available in your grocery stores

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't have access to that would probably make

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<v Speaker 1>me happy weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go shopping and shoo stores.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna I'm gonna fly to France and see

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<v Speaker 1>what they have in their grocery stores for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>Be right back, babe, Gonna go get groceries Paris. Oh great,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as I have time for to hit my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite bars of Paris and my favorite restaurants of Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>Right a little walk along the Seine sounds amazing. We

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<v Speaker 1>are so grateful that you are hanging out with us

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<v Speaker 1>to hear these stories and hear us talk about drinks.

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