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Speaker 1: I welcome back to day two of our coverage from

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Speaker 1: the NFL Combine Jerry dou Act.

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Speaker 2: Along with Dale Lawley of the.

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Speaker 1: Steeler Radio Network and the Steeler Audio Network Stealer Nation Radio,

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Speaker 1: excuse me and the Steeler Audio Network will be joined

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Speaker 1: over the next two hours by both Max Starks and

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Speaker 1: Rob king Dale. Good afternoon, always good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Day two, they were trotting lineman, a defensive lineman on

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Speaker 1: today Edge Rusher's deep interior lineman, Abdul Carter from Penn State,

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Speaker 1: who you know, very good chance of being the first

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Speaker 1: defensive player selected in the draft. I think Mel Kuiper

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Speaker 1: has him as his number one overall.

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Speaker 2: Travis Hunters, right, exactly or Travis offensive player, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: But a Carter was saying, you came in at wait

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Speaker 1: in at two forty eight, I think he said, which

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Speaker 1: I think that's a couple pounds under what he was

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Speaker 1: listed at Penn State. But he is a a disruptive player.

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Speaker 1: I always thought he was just he doesn't look like

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Speaker 1: he carries two hundred and fifty pounds, and I always

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Speaker 1: thought he might be just a little light for the NFL,

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Speaker 1: but obviously not. And just a high, high ceiling for

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Speaker 1: that guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a little thin waisted, but he looks

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Speaker 2: like a Greek god from from the waist up for sure.

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Speaker 2: And a very productive player at Penn State obviously. And

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Speaker 2: and you know a lot of the comparisons are immediately

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Speaker 2: going to be to Michael Parsons because well he was

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Speaker 2: Penn State guy as well. But Carter, you know, it

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Speaker 2: really helped himself this year had you know, was really

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Speaker 2: disruptive in the playoffs for that for for Penn State

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Speaker 2: as well. Yes, and you know, he could very He's

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Speaker 2: gonna he's gonna be picked in the top five, at

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Speaker 2: the very least, at the very least, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: I probably top three. You know.

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Speaker 1: Today, like I said, today was the day they brought

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Speaker 1: the defensive lineman out to meet the media. There's a

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Speaker 1: number of guys there that the Steelers, to whom are

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Speaker 1: at Michigan Dale, Kenneth Grant being the bigger of the

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Speaker 1: two guys. And depending on who you talk to or

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Speaker 1: what site you go to, the question of which ones

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Speaker 1: the higher draft pick, it seems to be that most

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Speaker 1: think Mason Graham will be the guy who will go

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Speaker 1: before Kenneth Grant, He'll probably be the number one overall

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Speaker 1: tackle right exactly exactly, and typically Dale, I went back

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Speaker 1: and looked, and I only got back like six or

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Speaker 1: seven years. You don't see a lot of interior defensive

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Speaker 1: linemen go in the first ten picks of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Carter I think went nine two years ago.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you go back.

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Speaker 1: I know Ed Oliver was one, Quentin Williams was another,

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Speaker 1: But there aren't a lot of interior linemen who go

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Speaker 1: within the first ten picks. You know, teams getting namored

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Speaker 1: with edge rushers and understandably.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and I wonder if that changes this year

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Speaker 2: because of what the Eagles have done. Everybody, that's the buzz.

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Speaker 2: You know, you gotta do what the Eagles did. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, with Butch Hopson on yesterday and he's talking

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Speaker 2: about they want to emulate that Eagles. All right, Butch,

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Speaker 2: but that means you have to bring in a whole

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Speaker 2: new defense said, but yeah, I mean, and even miss

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Speaker 2: On Graham, you know, just looking at him over here

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Speaker 2: when he was over on the podium, not the prototypical size, uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, for what you're looking for. They're certainly not

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Speaker 2: the prototypical size that the Steelers look for, you know,

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Speaker 2: in in there. You know, usually when we talk to

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Speaker 2: interior defensive lineman, we're talking all of the lineman for

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Speaker 2: the Steelers because all, you know, their guys are all

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Speaker 2: uh into you know, interior guys. Uh. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: not six'. Five, uh he's not you, know three hundred

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Speaker 2: and ten pounds or anything like. That he's he's a little.

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Speaker 2: Shorter you do, worry you, know about his arm length

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Speaker 2: a little. Bit but when you turn on his, tape

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Speaker 2: he's very. Disruptive he is and makes a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Plays And grant is the exact opposite of. Him. Uh you,

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Speaker 2: know his Teammate grant is six five and like three

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Speaker 2: hundred and four. Pounds and when he tests here, tomorrow

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Speaker 2: which is he's expected to just do ridiculous, things you,

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Speaker 2: know running and you, know jumps and all those kind of.

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Speaker 2: Things He's there's a list that a guy somebody puts

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Speaker 2: out CALLED i think It's Bruce Felban's Freak, list and

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Speaker 2: he's one of the freaks on the freak, list as

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Speaker 2: Is Abdul. Carter these guys that just have these, size speed,

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Speaker 2: weight you, know ratios that just test, out test off the. Charts,

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Speaker 2: yeah and uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you look At Kenneth grant with his, size and

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Speaker 1: you know that type of guy he excuse, me can

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Speaker 1: be a very disruptive. Players pardon he's a. Nose, yeah

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Speaker 1: but he's also no, right he's, right but athletically he can.

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Speaker 1: Play it could play out at the three Technique. Graham,

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Speaker 1: uh you're, right he's not going to overwhelm you with his.

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Speaker 1: SIZE i was listening to him when he was up

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Speaker 1: at the podium chatting with. Him, surprisingly he said he

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Speaker 1: did not and has no plans to talk to The,

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Speaker 1: steelers which you would think The steelers would go through

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Speaker 1: all those. Guys but it doesn't mean that they're not

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Speaker 1: interested in. HIM i think they also believe that when

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Speaker 1: they're picking at, twenty he's not going to Be that's,

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Speaker 1: right he's not going to be there at Twenty, grant you,

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Speaker 1: know he's going to probably test himself into a higher

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Speaker 1: steelers are, interested if there's a guy they really, like

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Speaker 1: and if they are that, interested, hey we've seen them make,

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Speaker 1: moves not drastic, ones although they did For Devin bush

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Speaker 1: moved up ten spots to number. Ten but you, know

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Speaker 1: they moved up a couple to Get Broderick jones because

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Speaker 1: they really liked, them and so that it's not unusual

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Speaker 1: for them to make moves up if they really like

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Speaker 1: a guy and he's still kind of sitting.

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Speaker 2: THERE i don't know if this is the draft that

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Speaker 2: you want to do that, though for a defensive, tackle

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Speaker 2: because it's so deep with those. Guys if you think

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Speaker 2: back to The Devin bush, situation there were two guys

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Speaker 2: basically Both, devons Both, devons and neither one of them

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Speaker 2: worked out for. That you, Know Devon white went fifth

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Speaker 2: overall and if he fall off the, charts he's gonna be,

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Speaker 2: honest he's on his third. Team Nowan bush's you, know

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Speaker 2: we know what happened with. Him he went tenth, Overall

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Speaker 2: he's on his fourth. Team you, know neither one of

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Speaker 2: those guys that really worked, out you, Know and even

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Speaker 2: with The Broderick jones, situation there were three offensive tackles

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Speaker 2: who were clearly better than everybody. Else so The steelers

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Speaker 2: wanted to get one of, those and so they moved

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Speaker 2: up to Get Broderick. Jones in this, situation you, know

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Speaker 2: if you don't get A Kenneth, grant do you then

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Speaker 2: pivot to A Tylee williams out Of Ohio, state who

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Speaker 2: is a pure nose. Tackle it might be the best

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Speaker 2: great against the runn he he doesn't give you much

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Speaker 2: as a pass, rusher not, certainly not as much As,

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Speaker 2: grant but he's capable of doing. That he's More Casey hampton.

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Speaker 2: Like and, hey if you had the opportunity to Redraft Casey,

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Speaker 2: HAMPTON i think The steelers would do that in the.

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Speaker 1: Heartbeat, YEAH i tend to agree with, You, DALE i

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Speaker 1: think you know when ergo when what they are looking

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Speaker 1: for in the. Draft, uh not only because of the

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Speaker 1: type of player he is and certainly finding one who

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Speaker 1: Six you want to try and find That Cam hayward.

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Speaker 1: Type that's the player around whom your line is going

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Speaker 1: to be. Built because if you're looking at the nose tackle,

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Speaker 1: types you'd better be able to play like A Kenneth

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Speaker 1: grant despite his. Size von hardrain right, Right and because

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Speaker 1: that's what they need because you, know especially if they

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Speaker 1: play so much of their sub package defense when they

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Speaker 1: use only two interior. Alignments so, yeah but you're, RIGHT

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Speaker 1: i agree with. You there's a there's enough. Guys you,

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Speaker 1: Know Walter nolan FROM o misses one of. Them you,

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Speaker 1: Know Alfred collins From texas is. Another Chamar Turner, TEXAS

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Speaker 1: a AND. M those are guys who were on The steelers.

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Speaker 1: Radar doesn't mean that's exactly where they're going to, go

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Speaker 1: but there are there are a number of guys there

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Speaker 1: who you, know or first, round maybe even second. Round

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Speaker 1: but we'll see what they do in the first. Round you,

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Speaker 1: know it's the old ways away and there's still lots

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Speaker 1: to be. Done But Omar kahn said, yesterday you, know,

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Speaker 1: hey trade. Huh free agent signing and the draft are

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Speaker 1: all possibilities THAT i think obviously both one of the

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Speaker 1: two free agent or trade and but also the. DRAFT

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Speaker 1: i don't think it's one or the. Other it's definitely

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Speaker 2: Both, yeah they're gonna they're gonna address that, position and

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Speaker 2: they're gonna address it and they should in this particularly

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Speaker 2: in this draft early and. Often AND i think the

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Speaker 2: ideal situation is to get your Potential Cam hayward replacement

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Speaker 2: early and then you know look to get you, know

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Speaker 2: another nose tackle a little bit, later because you, know

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Speaker 2: you look at this draft and you, know guys like

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Speaker 2: This Eer stackhouse out Of georgia are pure nose tackles

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Speaker 2: that that you know you're probably get in round three or.

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Speaker 2: Four one guy do like who's kind of gotten pushed

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Speaker 2: end of the year Is Riley mills out Of Notre.

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Speaker 2: Dame he is he's six, five two hundred and ninety five.

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Speaker 2: POUNDS i, mean he that's the that's The Cam heyward body, type,

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Speaker 2: right and he's a good football player and it really

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Speaker 2: carried That Notre dame defense down the stretch into the

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Speaker 2: college football playoffs before getting. HURT i don't know if

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Speaker 2: he's going to be able to work out here yet or,

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Speaker 2: not BUT i think there's some value. THERE i think

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Speaker 2: he probably goes you, know second or third. Round maybe

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Speaker 2: he gets pushed down to the fourth round because of that.

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Speaker 1: Injury you, know the guy From morgan is another guy

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Speaker 1: that intrigues The, Steelers Jordan. Burge he's you, know six,

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Speaker 1: six two ninety five at six foot, six that might

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Speaker 1: pound poundage he can. Carry but he's another, guy and

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Speaker 1: he's another guy who you, know is he a first

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Speaker 1: round or is he a second? Rounder you, know depending

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Speaker 1: on how he test does he maybe he slipped to

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Speaker 1: even high third, round but likely a first or second?

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Speaker 2: Rounder is?

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Speaker 1: He but there's a bunch of those guys that you were.

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Speaker 2: Referencing, yeah his Teammate Derek harmon is in that in

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Speaker 2: this conversation as. WELL i Like harmon better Than. Birch

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Speaker 2: burch is more of a finesse kind of, player Whereas

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Speaker 2: harmon is a you, know pure defensive, tackle has that

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Speaker 2: kind of camp From Cam hayward's type stuff to. Him

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Speaker 2: he knows how to get, skinny to get through the you,

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Speaker 2: know to get penetration and things of that. Nature so

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Speaker 2: there are going to be possibilities here at the, top

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Speaker 2: in the, middle and even into the later. ROUNDS a

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Speaker 2: GUY i really like as well Is Ty robinson out Of.

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Speaker 2: Nebraska he just goes he has he's like the energizer

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Speaker 2: bunny out there and just runs around and reck, stuff

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Speaker 2: and he has that Prototypical steelers defensive end, size so

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Speaker 2: you can find guys all throughout. This Tim smith From alabama's,

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Speaker 2: another you, know defensive tackle that's a kind of a pure. NOSE.

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Speaker 2: Cj west From indiana pure, nose and those guys are

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Speaker 2: probably more like fourth round. Picks that, again if you're

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Speaker 2: just looking at it's the conundrum that you have with

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Speaker 1: Tony grossie FROM Espn cleveland joins us from the combine

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Speaker 1: here In. Indianapolis Jerry doulac And Dale lawley with. You

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Speaker 1: OUR Nfl combine coverage from The Convention center In, indianapolis

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Speaker 1: will begin later this. Week and we were talking about

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman and there is no bigger story about a

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Speaker 1: the name Of Miles, garrett FORMER Nfl Defensive player of The,

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Speaker 1: Year Tony grossie FROM Espn cleveland joins. Us Ton always

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Speaker 1: good to see of my. Friends we've been spend a

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Speaker 3: Sir even, today and.

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Speaker 3: Dinner last TIME i do a national podcast, together we

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Speaker 3: HERE i Think Andrew berry is feeling a crack in

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Speaker 3: if if If miles does, that you're doing it for

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Speaker 2: Upright he said, no thank you, clear, yeah thank you

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Speaker 3: Think so what is that going to do in a Locker,

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Speaker 3: That, well start With. Watson he flamed out and will

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Speaker 3: Where Joe flacco leading the. Charge was not, broken but

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Speaker 2: second round picks over the, years so you don't have

427
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: a there's no, young cheap talent on the roster right.

428
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: Now that a big. Void, yeah you've got To you've

429
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: got a big empty. Spot so, therefore Trading Miles, garrett

430
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 2: which is which is your biggest, chip poker chip that

431
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: you could put in, there would replace some of.

432
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 3: THAT i, agree you, know and you're the only positive

433
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 3: of the trade For watson WAS i haven't done a

434
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 3: mock draft in three, years but Now i'm.

435
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: Now doing them every. Week, yeah you could Take thursday

436
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 2: off in the draft. Nights that's what happens when you

437
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 2: have one of the top. Picks.

438
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: Yeah we went with No number ones or number two

439
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 3: for two of those three. Years in addition To No number.

440
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: One it's just a tremendous franchise. Killer.

441
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: Terrible so that's, why you, know The watson acquisition could

442
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: end up being the demise Of Miles garrett if they

443
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: agree with you and Me, dale if, not the.

444
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: Franchise, yeah you, know and it's. Surprising and you AND

445
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: i were talking about this last. Night i've always said,

446
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: This what surprises me the most are the decisions made

447
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 1: by your, Owner Jimmy, haslam who's a Former steeler. Investor

448
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: if he learned nothing else from The steelers while he was,

449
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: there it had to be the, patience the, consistency and

450
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: he is anything. But and every decision he makes is

451
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: totally counter to the way The steelers have performed for

452
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: the longest.

453
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: Time somebody told me the only Thing jimmy Has haslam

454
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 3: learned In pittsburgh was where the owner's box was On.

455
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: Sundays obviously that's, true you know now, Though, okay so

456
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 3: he the ownership was traumatized the first eight five years

457
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 3: by firing every. Year so now they're doing the. Opposite

458
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: they're into the sixth year of this current. Regime Andrew

459
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: berry And Kevin stefanski six years and they're three and, fourteen.

460
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 2: And you're back to where you. Were, yeah the first,

461
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: year the.

462
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 3: Other error now by being two gun shy or whatever

463
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 3: you want to call. It although they THINK i Think

464
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 3: kevin has proven more as a head coach Than Andrew

465
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: berry has as a general. Manager but they see them

466
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: as a partnership and they like The kumbayah affair going.

467
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: On there's no. Confrontation you, know that's one thing that

468
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: The haslms were traumatized by the. Infighting uh and so

469
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: now that they have peace and, harmony it seems like

470
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 3: winning the second, there so they'll tolerate more as long

471
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: as you guys are working.

472
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: Together so The browns have the second overall pick in the?

473
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: Draft do they go quarterback? There?

474
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: ME i say not. NECESSARILY i think if Cam ward is, there,

475
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: yes if the if they're left With Shader, SANDERS i

476
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 3: am against. It BUT i don't know where THAT i.

477
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: WOULD i wouldn't take him. THERE i JUST i think

478
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: he would struggle in weather and in this in this arm,

479
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: strength in this, division there's going to be. Weather and

480
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: he's also HAS i know everybody thinks he's D. On

481
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 2: he's not D. On he does not have that kind

482
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: of athleticism or. Mobility and you, know Is Joel potonio

483
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: going to retire, probably so, yeah and you know you're

484
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 2: gonna lose some other pieces off that offensive, line and

485
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna Put you're gonna put a rookie

486
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: quarterback who doesn't move well behind a bad offensive, line

487
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: Hello Tim. Couch but when you have the number two, pick,

488
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 2: though you gotta.

489
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: GO i, mean you have to to get a dynamic.

490
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: Player and so then who were what is?

491
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: It, well first of, all they have number thirty three,

492
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: also which you know is always. Valuable BUT i think

493
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: they'll take a quarterback in one of those two picks

494
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: If ward isn't. THERE i do think they will trade

495
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: down a little bit to three to, six same Thing

496
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: tennessee wants to. Do, yeah and then who do you?

497
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: Pick you, know Abdul carter would make sense if they Trade,

498
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: garrett BUT i Think tennessee's on. Him Travis. Hunter, yesterday

499
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: THE gm of The brown said he sees him as

500
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, first which goes contrary to most people

501
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: in this combine who think cornerback and a few handful

502
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 3: of plays on wide. Receiver SO i don't. KNOW i

503
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: think they're sitting in a pretty good spot where there

504
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: was a lot of options or is the analytics people

505
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: say in a lot of, optionality it makes me seem,

506
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: smart right, Right that's that's how they, speak learning how

507
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: to speak their, language a lot of. Optionality that number.

508
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 3: Two AND i don't know who they end up. With

509
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: to be honest with, YOU i think it's it's too.

510
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: EARLY i don't think they have a focus. Yet we

511
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: got to get this. Guy i've heard so many things.

512
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 3: Here they've contradicted themselves three. Times you, know they don't

513
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: let shud they do love. Sugar they're going to take a.

514
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: Quarterback they're not going to take a. Quarterback so it's

515
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: that kind of point we're at with The.

516
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: Browns if they did Trade, garrett and if you listen

517
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: to believe what he was, saying he wants to go

518
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: somewhere where he can. Win that would suggest it would

519
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: be somebody who's picking at the end of the first.

520
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: Round would a first round draft pick one, alone Wouldn't

521
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 2: it wouldn't make. Sense, yeah first of, ALL i contend he.

522
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 2: Would he would command two number. One, yeah BUT i mean,

523
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: again they're going to be too. Late number.

524
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 3: One, well you can't make the trade to Please. Miles,

525
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: Okay so if you con triven To New. ENGLAND i

526
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: would do that. HARD i got the fourth pick in the.

527
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: Draft BUT i don't know how. Much he's under contract

528
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: for two more. Years but the new team would want

529
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: a new. Deal he is, underpaid he really. Is he

530
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: should be the highest paid defensive player in the.

531
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: League what's he? Doing?

532
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 3: Well his cap, hit Because andrew has kicked the can right,

533
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: forward is very team. Friendly it's like nineteen million this

534
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 3: year and twenty million next. Year so that's not an

535
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: impediment because anybody wants to get him even lower than

536
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: that with a new.

537
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: Deal, yeah, right but that also means his base is

538
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: not that.

539
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: High, yeah but he'll get the. Cash, yeah he'll get

540
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: the same nun you, know he'll get what Is bosa

541
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: is like thirty six million a, year one of The

542
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 3: bosa's and he should eclipse.

543
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: That but that's not what he's getting right now from The.

544
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: Bronz now he's already cashed a bunch of.

545
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: Checks, yeah but he doesn't say it's about. Money he's

546
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: worried about the, ring you. Know so they're, willing they're

547
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 3: willing to give him a new. Deal they talked about

548
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: a new deal before he talked about being. Traded SO

549
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: i don't know the one, thing, Okay, Andrew i've said

550
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: this on our air back. Home andrew said he wasn't

551
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 3: Trading Baker. Mayfield he. Traded he said he wasn't going

552
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 3: to get rid Of Odell. Beckham he got rid of.

553
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: Them.

554
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: Okay on the other, hand other guys Like david And

555
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: joku who have requested a trade and they resolved. It

556
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: so what they're saying, PUBLICLY i don't think you should

557
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: say is you, know that's the right thing to say.

558
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: Publicly But i'm not discounting in a. Trade but it's

559
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: not going to be a. Giveaway he's got to get bowled.

560
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Over So, tony you look at The browns two years

561
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: ago again playoff team ten and, six and then last

562
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: year bottom falls. OUT i mean you see them back

563
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: at the basement of the division or and how do

564
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: you see the division shaken?

565
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: Down, well they have so many major. Decisions it's going

566
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: to rest on you, know they're going to get a

567
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: veteran quarterback and a rookie and turn the page On

568
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: watson even though he's still counting seventy three million on

569
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: their on their cap this.

570
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: Year that's, unbelievable all, right didn't you tell me if

571
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: they get rid of them what they from down the,

572
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: road it's still going to cost him nine did you

573
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: tell me ninety last?

574
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: Year they've kicked the can three times. Already they're gonna

575
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: do it fourth to reduce this year's. Number he's right,

576
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: now he's due one. Hundred he counts one hundred and

577
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: seventy two million in dead. Cap if they did it,

578
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: now that's what They so they got to wait till next.

579
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: Year and even after next, year they'll have about ninety,

580
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: million one hundred and twenty million whatever it, is spread

581
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: over two, years and that's not going to go.

582
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: Down tell, THEM i, would you, know if they, want

583
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: they could give me that money And i'll play. Cops,

584
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: well you know, what it's not, money it's. Caps, yeah,

585
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: Right but then he continually kicked it down the. Road.

586
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: Edition it's just they have used him as a, bank,

587
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: yeah to take out. Credit that's why they've led the

588
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: league in salary cap room every year Of deshaun's contract

589
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: because they keep borrowing off of, hit.

590
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: Which is great if he could actually, play AND.

591
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: I thought if you could draft and win and, see

592
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: they thought their window was open with. Him that was

593
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: the whole point of going after. Him so what can they?

594
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: Do they gotta they got to get the quarterbacks, right

595
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: they now need a running.

596
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: Back, YEAH i was going to ask, you Is gentry

597
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: a Possibility gentry raft Gent i'm, sorry, no not.

598
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: Nothing with thirty running backs expected be, DRAFTED i can't

599
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: see them going that, high higher than normal for, them

600
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: which means first three, rounds second and third. Round so

601
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: and they and As dale, mentioned they got this void

602
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: on their. Roster that's why they Need briocky contracts to

603
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: not only be, there but to play and be. Good

604
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 3: SO i think They're they have tried to sell the

605
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: idea To, miles like you just, said they're not far

606
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: away when you're removed from those. Playoffs but he's been

607
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: a big critic of the quarterback position like everybody else In,

608
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: cleveland and he doesn't see a means of a savior coming.

609
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: Down, yeah how could you not be a critic at

610
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback? Position and it started with you know that

611
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: they they lost their opportunity to Get. Watson they Trade.

612
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: Baker you, first you insult, him you infuriate, him you trade.

613
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: Him are you talking to me?

614
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: Direct? Now well you did, Too but that's.

615
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: Right and then now you've got to throw all that

616
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: money At watson now to bring him, in and the

617
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: whole thing's been a.

618
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: Disaster, yeah, Yep so they're trying to clean up a,

619
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: disaster and that's never.

620
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: What's THE i mean Mentioned baker, there seeing him go

621
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: To Tampa bay now a couple of years. Removed obviously

622
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: he's a few different teams after, that but you see

623
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: him go to To tampa and actually have some. Success

624
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: that has to throw a little salt in the wound as. Well.

625
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: WELL i don't look back that. Decision their mistake was

626
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: who they replaced them. With The baker things have become

627
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: a little untenable in the locker room with him and

628
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: and trading back barbs back and. Forth SO i DIDN'T

629
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: i don't regret at all what they. Did, fans do

630
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: you know? Fans, YES i was gonna ask you what

631
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: the fans are.

632
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: FEELING i, MEAN i just thought as much.

633
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: There's More baker fans now than there was when he, laughed,

634
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 3: right because when people it's always a. Case, yeah but

635
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: The watson thing has scarred everything they do and will

636
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: for as we, said for a couple more.

637
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: Years, yeah if not.

638
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: Longer Tony grossi FROM Espn cleveland has been our guest

639
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: long time cover of The Cleveland browns long. Suffering, sureless

640
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: we have a good time. Suffering, yes you do better

641
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: than anybody THAT i, know because.

642
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: A lot of memories are usually.

643
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: Off you've had a lot of, practice and you haven't

644
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: had to do mock drafts for the last couple of.

645
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: Years, yeah so what you got that going?

646
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: For? Yeah but this YEAR i have to go from

647
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: one to thirty three At Wade hobson starts calling you

648
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: for his, mom WHICH i just never. Understand we're gonna

649
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: take a. Break, tone thanks, man always good being With,

650
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: See we're gonna take a. Break we're gonna come back

651
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: with more of OUR Nfl combine coverage From. Indianapolis it's

652
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: day two here at The Lucas Oil stadium and The

653
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: Indiana Convention. Center jerry Do lack And Dale lawley will

654
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: take a break and be back with more right after.

655
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: This all, right.

656
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: We're back day two from THE Nfl. Combine certainly FOR

657
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: us teams were here and again interviewing players On. Monday,

658
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: DALE i don't know IF i mentioned this earlier WHEN

659
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: i was talking To Mason graham in the group when

660
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: he was on the, podium asked him if he met

661
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: with The steelers or plans. To he, said, no there's

662
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: no plans. To he's not on the. List that doesn't

663
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: mean they wouldn't be interested in a guy like. That but,

664
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: again as we said, earlier more than likely at number,

665
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: twenty they.

666
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: He's not going to be. AVAILABLE i got a feeling

667
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: they might end up going to The michigan Pro. Dame

668
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: do you think so they might talk to him.

669
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: There i'll tell you as you mentioned, too you know

670
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: you've got three guys At. Oregon you, know a couple

671
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: of guys were At texas and somewhere else.

672
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: Like, TEXAS a And m's three guys are right drafted

673
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: early exactly for a defensive. Line it's gonna be interesting

674
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: to see where the where The steelers go this year

675
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: on their their different, trips because you, know you're not

676
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: necessarily at the top looking for some of the things

677
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: that you were in the, past and a lot of

678
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: times they try to line those up where they can

679
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: do some LIKE i remember a couple of years ago

680
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: they were At iowa And Iowa state back to back,

681
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: days and you, know but why are they At Iowa,

682
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: state they have like one. Prospect, well you, know you

683
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: just keep an eye on those things to see where they.

684
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: Where Mike tomlin winds up at.

685
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: You Know dale and in triggering guy is defensive tackle

686
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: is Uh Dion walker At. Kentucky another big body, guy you,

687
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: know six six three forty, plus pretty good pass, rusher you,

688
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: know not a number one, pick probably, uh probably looking.

689
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: SECOND i don't maybe even third. ONE i think he's

690
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: a third. Rounder and his problem Is kentucky didn't.

691
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: Play him on the, nose even though he has that

692
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: typical nose tackle type size because he stands upright. Immediately.

693
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: NOW i watched him at The Senior. BOWL i thought

694
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: you went. DOWN i saw, Him, yeah, yeah AND i.

695
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: WAS i watched him specifically because he was the biggest

696
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: guy in.

697
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: The, field so he wasn't very impressive. Home he wasn't

698
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: super impressive for a big man who would.

699
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: Expect. Yeah, now when he had a good, rep it

700
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: was a really good, Rep like you, know he's just

701
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: a bigger and stronger than everybody. Else but you'd see

702
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: one of those and then you'd see five reps where

703
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: he just came straight up and it was like when you.

704
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: Had when you're that, big it's just too much body.

705
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: Mass it's too easy for for offensive linemen to get

706
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: their hands on. You there's just so much room for

707
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: them to grab and get a hold of that that

708
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: you're just killing, yourself which is Why kentucky didn't play

709
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: him on the. Nose he's just too big to play nose,

710
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: tackle if you can believe. That and you, know when

711
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: he gets ahead of, steam, yeah you're not going to block,

712
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: him but all too often he comes straight. Up and

713
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: when that, happens defeat stopped moving and he's.

714
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: Done, yeah and the last thing The steelers need is

715
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: a quote project or a guy who maybe needs some.

716
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: WORK i compared him to damn a slightly more Talented dan,

717
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: McCulloch right right, Exactly and that's that's the body type

718
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: is the. Same you, know he's got that kind of.

719
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: Who lasted three years only because of his body.

720
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: Type, yeah and THAT'S i think who he. Is, yeah

721
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: that's good. Comparison.

722
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: Dale you look at the defensive, line and we'll be

723
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: done talking about the defensive line after this, segment but

724
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: you look at where they, are you, know in terms

725
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: of their starters and their. Depth Keano benton is a nice.

726
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: Piece you don't build your line around, him but he's

727
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: a nice piece in. There Larry ogunjobi's in the final

728
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: year of his. Contract often hurt can't always. Practice uh you,

729
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: know solid, guy good, Player Walter, Payton man of The year,

730
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: candidate but you know he's a. GUY i think what's

731
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: his cap is a ten million this year or something?

732
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: Thirteen the salaries like ten and, yeah they hit, right,

733
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: dude that's, right that's what it.

734
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: Is and, uh you, know is is he a candidate

735
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: if you have to start? Pairing, well you know your

736
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: roster financial for financial, reasons steels in decent cap.

737
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: Shape they don't have to cut anybody they don't want, to.

738
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: Right Omar kahn said that yesterday they're in pretty good

739
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: cap space to go out and either make trades or

740
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: signed guys in free.

741
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: Agency but you know the.

742
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Question mark in, there if you will is there's not

743
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: sure what they have is The marvin Leel Isaiah.

744
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: Autemilk you know what you.

745
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: Have they're going to move on from, him But leal's you,

746
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: know where do you play? Him you, know do you

747
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: want them to be a defensive? End do you want

748
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: to play him on the. Outside, athletically he's he's, gifted

749
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: but you, know just to haven't seen enough to, go oh,

750
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: yeah this guy's going to be a.

751
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: Player and that's my issue with the Other TEXAS a

752
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: AND m guys coming out this. Year scourton in, particular

753
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: just remind me of The Marvin leal are They are

754
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: they a defensive tackle or are they defensive? End they

755
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: they've played those guys on the. Edge Even Schamar, turner

756
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: the other guy who's probably going to test out of

757
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: the you, know out of the off the charts. Here

758
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: and then you look at his production At TEXAS a AND.

759
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: M and in four seasons he had five sacks right, Right, like,

760
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: okay he's gonna test really. Well but what is? He

761
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: is he a defensive? Tackle is he a defensive? End

762
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: is he a three to four? End you? Know and

763
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: so you, know form me once with you, know out

764
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: of a certain program like, that you, know shame on

765
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: me for me twice or shame on, You shame on

766
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: me the second time, around because AM i going to

767
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: fall for that same that same thing coming out of

768
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: that the same, program the same. SCHEME i don't know

769
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: what to think of those, guys you, know The TEXAS

770
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: a and m. Guys AND i don't know what to

771
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: think of The Marvin leal at this. Point and you,

772
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: KNOW i go back, to you, know thinking about what

773
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: The steelers did With Mike, rabel and this was obviously

774
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: a much, different you, know regime at that. Point but you,

775
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: know if you, remember one, year they'd have him lose

776
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: twenty pounds and put them at outside. Linebacker the next, year,

777
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: oh let's put, him put your twenty pounds back. On

778
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: we're going to play you at defensive. End then the

779
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: next year back to about the outside. Linebacker and it

780
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: wasn't until he went To New england that they left

781
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: him out. There, yeah just just, play just be a,

782
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: player you. Know and so you get stuck in that

783
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: tweener mode with some of these guys and AND i

784
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: don't know that you need to do that in this year's.

785
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: Draft And i'd like to see De Marvin leal just

786
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: be put him at one spot and let him be

787
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: there and and don't move him back and forth and

788
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: and and you, know if he if you want to

789
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: play him an outside, linebacker, great make him an outside.

790
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: Linebacker he's different than what you have with you, know

791
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: for the other outside. Linebackers you, know he's much more

792
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: what they had with the guy they just cut From Green.

793
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: Bay he's built more Like Preston smith than IS. Tj.

794
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: Watt you've used a guy like, that you, know can

795
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: that be what what The Marvin leal does or do you,

796
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: know do you want to give him a chance to

797
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: be a defensive end here and see what he does

798
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: one year with with that because he's never had that. Opportunity.

799
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Uh you, Know.

800
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Logan lee is a guy they took last year on

801
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: the sixth. Round you, know has that kind of a

802
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: solid body, type almost the type they're looking. For you,

803
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: know injured a lot of last, year obviously never played

804
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: in the. Game they don't know what they have with

805
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: the guy sixth round. Pick, look we Saw Brett keesl

806
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: come from the seventh. Round So i'm not gonna sit

807
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: here obviously and say that could have that's going to,

808
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: Happen but they they need to see a little bit

809
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: more from. Him who knows how he could Develop Calvin

810
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: beach and come off the last.

811
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: DRIVE i think at the very least you look At

812
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: Logan lee as Your loudermoker replacement and whether he deserved,

813
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: it or. Not Louder mouth played twenty percent of the

814
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: snaps last year just as a rotational. Guy if you

815
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: get that at A Logan, lee, okay if you get

816
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: more than, that if he does turn into A Brett, keysol,

817
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: great that's. Fantastic but you, know he's a sixth round draft.

818
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: Pick to count on more than that out of a

819
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: sixth round draft pick is, is you, know is. QUESTIONABLE

820
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: i do like the. PLAYER i like. HIM i liked

821
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: him in a draft just because of that, again that

822
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: body type and and he has that wrestling background that

823
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: seems to work pretty well for those. Guys BUT i

824
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 2: don't know that he's ever going To he's Not Cam hayward's,

825
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: replacement let's put it that. WAY i don't even know

826
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: that he you, know he's not gonna perhaps ever even

827
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: be a starting, player but he can be a depth

828
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: piece for. YOU i think those those other key, players

829
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: those other key pieces have to come this, offseason either

830
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: in the, draft where you go, out you, know in

831
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: free agency and get somebody you. Know.

832
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: Uh when talking With Mason graham earlier, today he's done

833
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: some wrestling as, well and he talked about how obviously

834
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: that has helped him and we see that With Zach.

835
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: Fraser of course that wrestling. Background of Course Zach fraser

836
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: was an accomplished. Wrestler it helps those interior. Lines, oh

837
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: no doubt what they're doing the whole. Time Ke benton

838
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: has that.

839
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: Background he has that background that they've had a lot

840
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: of guys over the years that have that. Background then

841
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: you learn how to. Leverage you learned your balance is

842
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: good because you've always got guys shooting at your legs

843
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: and and you know you have to learn how to you,

844
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: know move your hips to get away from that and

845
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: and still keep your your. Balance and you, know you

846
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: know because all the way back To Carlton hasselrig when

847
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: they had had him in the early, nineties you know

848
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: he never played football right, now he, well he would

849
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: not call. It he. Played he actually went to believe

850
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: it wasn't West, chester but it was a school out

851
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: east Uh division two school to play, football got hurt

852
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: his freshman, year then transferred back TO upg where his

853
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: his uncle was the dean of students At Bruce hasselrig

854
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: at THE impja we went to. SCHOOL i was going

855
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: to say we were there at the same, time right,

856
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: right so you KNOW i. SAW i Saw carlton And

857
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: russell a lot in, college and he was just a,

858
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: freak freak, athlete didn't never lifted a, weight and was

859
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: just a natural two hundred and seventy, pounder you, Know

860
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: and so you, know it just that background, again that

861
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: ability to be light on your feet as a two

862
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy pounder is just not natural for most

863
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: two hundred and seventy, pounders you, Know and so it

864
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: does translate well into into being able to do those

865
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: kind of.

866
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: Things no no, relation you, know in terms of wrestling or.

867
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: Anything but when you're talking about guys like Like hasselrigg

868
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: who were just kind of, natural is not the biggest,

869
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: guy and you, know the GUY i don't, know did you,

870
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: SAY i don't know was he a weightlift or anything like?

871
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: That now?

872
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: Right or touch the weight h Pena sewell reminds me

873
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: of that type of. Player just so, athletic not the biggest,

874
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: guy just gifted and moves, people turns them and he's,

875
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: outstanding you, know and he's Not he's probably not going

876
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: to come to the combine and while people with this

877
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: bench or anything like. That but whatever it, IS i,

878
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: mean he's obviously a gifted player and everybody knew. It

879
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: and he's been that in THE. Nfl, yeah you.

880
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: Just turn on the tape and you watch those, Guys you're, Like,

881
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: okay that that guy's got. It you, know he's got

882
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: that that ability to you, know you think of like A.

883
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: Halodinada it, was you, know a similar type. Guy and

884
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: these guys are just freaky, athletes you. Know you know

885
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: who was like, that they all going way. Back Gab.

886
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: Rivera, yeah when they draft that the number one people,

887
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: going they took him instead Of. Marino but he was

888
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: that type of. Player he was just a, natural, gifted freakish,

889
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: player you, know six or two. Right unfortunately with the car, accident,

890
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: uh but he. Was he was that type of, player you.

891
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: Know AND i you, KNOW I i know for a

892
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: fact that you, Know Pat meyer values those guys with

893
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 2: that wrestling background because he was a, wrestler, right, uh you,

894
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: know and so he, understands you, know their use of

895
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: leverage and hand, usage you, know so OFTEN i CAN

896
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: i can remember Watching Hassel rigg wrestle and guys would

897
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: would try to take a shot of his legs and

898
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: he would just catch him with one hand on the.

899
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: Head and just kind of, like you, know they just

900
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 2: stop in their. Tracks just that that that that quickness

901
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: that you, know knowing where where you know where to

902
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 2: put your, hands how to how to leverage your hips

903
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: to throw a, guy and things of that. Nature it's

904
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: just it comes naturally to them because they have to

905
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: be able to do it, quickly you, know because you,

906
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: know especially if you're a, heavyweight you could be wrestling

907
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: a guy as a heavyweight wrestler who is sixty pounds

908
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: later than, you right, right and so he's gonna be much,

909
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: quicker but you know you're going to be, stronger and

910
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: it just it becomes That david Versus goliath thing that you,

911
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 2: know and you got to have quick, feet, yeah real.

912
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: Quickly when The steelers Extended Cam hayward last, YEAR i, think,

913
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: WELL i don't think they thought he had in him

914
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: what he showed as An All pro this.

915
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: YEAR i know a lot of the fans certainly didn't

916
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: think that that's.

917
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: Right who thought they'll move on from? Him and they

918
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: gave him a three year, Deal AND i don't think

919
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: that they thought he you, know we don't have to

920
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: worry about three years with this. Guy we'll backloaded a little.

921
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: Bit we have to move on from him after one

922
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 1: and obviously thirty six years old next.

923
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 2: YEAR i, mean is it.

924
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: Reasonable to think he can play at the same level,

925
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: again because we've seen no reason to think he.

926
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: Can, well one thing they did last year was was

927
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: they you, know he was usually a typically an eighty

928
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: percent snap. Guy well last year was seventy. Percent so

929
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: you know he's that back a little. Bit but he

930
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: was obviously very productive when he was on the. Field

931
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: and you, know again to your point about why they

932
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 2: need to find a replacement for. Him When cam was

933
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: on the field last, year The steelers gave up three

934
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: point seven yards per. Carry When cam wasn't on the

935
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: field last, year they give up five point one yards. Carry,

936
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: wow that is. Significant three point seven yards per carry

937
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: would have led the league in terms of run. Defense

938
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: five point one would have been one of the worst

939
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 2: in the. League and it was over one hundred carries

940
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: against him When cam wasn't on the. Field he can't

941
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: be out there as a full time. Player that's just

942
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: not realistic at this point in his. Career so you

943
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: have to find somebody who can give you that and

944
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to necessarily be next year he can

945
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: that player can can spend some time learning Under, cam

946
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: which is again a benefit of having. Him but you,

947
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: know two years from, now you want that guy to

948
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: be capable of giving you that kind of production That

949
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 2: cam gives.

950
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: You, now you know WHAT i always found, Curious dale

951
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: is offensive lineman play every snap in the. Game there's

952
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: no defensive lineman that plays every.

953
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks around our, STAY i guess they get a little.

954
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: Exhausted we're gonna take a.

955
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: Break that's gonna do it for hour one of our

956
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: coverage or certainly my coverage With Dale lawley here at

957
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: THE Nfl. Combine we're going to come back at the

958
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: top of the, hour Either Rob king Or Max starks.

959
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: Schedule somebody's gonna show. Up we're not, who but we

960
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: will at least be. HERE i will at least be

961
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: here for the next, hour and then of course from

962
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: two to five pm you can Hear Dale lawley along

963
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: With Matt williamson and one of those other guys who's

964
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: supposed to.

965
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: Be somebody will show.

966
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Up but, yes we'll see who's. Here but we're going To. Matt,

967
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: now we're going to take a. Break we're going to

968
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: come back with more from The Indiana Convention. Center It's

969
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: day two of OUR Nfl combine coverage right here On

970
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: Fox Sports pittsburgh And Steeler Nation radio