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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the only podcast on

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Speaker 1: the Internet that you are listening to right now presumably,

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Speaker 1: and if it's you're listening to a multiple podcast at once,

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned. Yeah, no way, but it's not impossible. It's

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Speaker 1: no way you're retaining anything. You're missing a lot. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: And this is a podcast about the worst people in

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Speaker 1: all of history. And we're doing a bit of an

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Speaker 1: odd duck of an episode because we're focusing a lot

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Speaker 1: on on some folks who I think are are pretty

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Speaker 1: cool dudes. Um. But last episode was to build up, uh,

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Speaker 1: to the bastards who tried to destroy them. So this

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Speaker 1: is an episode about how the FBI and law enforcement

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Speaker 1: tried to take down the Black Panther Party. Uh. My

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Speaker 1: guest for part two, as with part one, is prop propaganda,

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Speaker 1: hip hop artist and podcast yourself. What'saw y'all. I'm just

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Speaker 1: glad to be here, just smiling so much, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: glad to have you here. Um. We've been really happy

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Speaker 1: to have your perspective and excited to get into the

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Speaker 1: rest of this. So um. We talked about the Moford

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Speaker 1: Act in the last episode, which which stopped the Black

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Speaker 1: Panthers from carrying loaded weapons in the state of California. UM,

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Speaker 1: but did not stop the Black Panthers from loving themselves

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Speaker 1: some firearms, weapons training, stockpiling. They remained a big part

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Speaker 1: of what they did. Uh. And I found an archive

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Speaker 1: of magazines published by the Black Panther Community News Service,

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Speaker 1: which was like they're essentially their media network. Um. And

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Speaker 1: one issue from nineteen sixty nine included this cartoon UM

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Speaker 1: which Sophie can show you and I guess I can

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Speaker 1: describe it. You can describe if you'd like, Let prop

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Speaker 1: describe it. Yes, So this is from the Black Panther yeahtop, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the magazine that they ran, magazine. So it's like it's

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Speaker 1: very familiar with their style of animation, but it's like

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Speaker 1: thick animation style of illustrations, like thick, like out black

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Speaker 1: in grays UM and uh, yellow or orange letters in

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Speaker 1: blue letters. It's like a black family. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: that's a child, but the child looks like an adult

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Speaker 1: up the animation style and it's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: good throw and the sisters got a nice little hair

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Speaker 1: wrap on. Yeah, am I supposed to say? What? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: What's what's going on in the cartoon? It says, so

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Speaker 1: Dad's got his hand on the shoulders a little homie,

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Speaker 1: And I can't really make out what read what the

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Speaker 1: I think a box of handguns is the nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: nine um. And then there's some stuff written around the

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Speaker 1: edges of the cartoon UM, including off the pig, blow

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Speaker 1: a yeah really intense yes on his way to like

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Speaker 1: the f the police song, Yeah yeah. And violence against

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Speaker 1: the police was a constant refrain in Black Panther periodicals,

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Speaker 1: and it was usually framed as necessary self defense against

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Speaker 1: what this episode is about, is like why there was

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Speaker 1: an increasing amount of their anti law enforcement rhetoric focused

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Speaker 1: magazines and noted they would claim that if the Black

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Speaker 1: Panthers did not join or follow a particular course of action,

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Speaker 1: disaster will result. An example of this was seen in

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Speaker 1: the article published on January nine, ninety one, when it

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Speaker 1: read when a pig is caught dirty snoop and shows

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Speaker 1: It also reads kill the pigs before they kill you.

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Speaker 1: The pigs here are referring to undercover FBI agents that

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Speaker 1: And again, this is really uncomfortable rhetoric for a lot

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Speaker 1: proved valid by documentation that later came out, which we'll

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Speaker 1: a good tie into like modern time, especially like you know,

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Speaker 1: the Police, like this isn't just it's hard. It's hard

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Speaker 1: if you're not here, like to understand that, like you know,

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Speaker 1: Iced Teas Cop killer. It's like, Okay, you you think

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Speaker 1: It's just the law protects them, you know. So you

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Speaker 1: feel like you're your taste in hip hop. Would know

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Speaker 1: if I'd say, Jay Dilla, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: so like you liken more of the obscure or doom

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Speaker 1: tree stuff. I've been listening. I've been listening to you

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Speaker 1: So you take somebody like J. J. Diller, who has

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Speaker 1: he's like you guys asked Pharrell, Timberland, all these like

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Speaker 1: So the attitude is like you're your bullies. You're not

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Speaker 1: had a two thousand fifteen article in the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: about civil asset forfeitures, which is what happens when police

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Speaker 1: take your stuff with no recourse versus burglary. In two uh,

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Speaker 1: police civil asset forfeitures total more than five billion dollars

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Speaker 1: that's that's probably enough for now. Um. So. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: late nineteen sixties, the FBI co intel pro operations focused

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Speaker 1: sophisticated and complex operation. Hoover himself wrote, one of our

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Speaker 1: primary aims and counterintelligence as it concerns the b PP,

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Speaker 1: who said that? Right? And then everybody goes you see

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Speaker 1: what they're about. They're about punching in the butt, Like, well,

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But then but just them

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Speaker 1: it's clearly so effective. Yeah, it was very effective and

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Speaker 1: very um insidious. Um. And we'll get into the numbers

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Speaker 1: a complicated Organization UM. Their founder, among other things, is

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Speaker 1: What's important to know is that US and the Panthers

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Speaker 1: and it competed aggressively for new recruits UM through a

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Speaker 1: network of informants. The FBI learned this, and Hoover noted

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Speaker 1: favored to become the candidate during the convention because he

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Speaker 1: was beloved by establishment Democrats. Progressives and leftists hated him.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure, this is a situation that has sends

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Speaker 1: familiar to any um. The nineteen sixty eight riots like

430
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Speaker 1: sort of resulted out of all this um and they

431
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Speaker 1: were nightmarish and caused in large part by the fact

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Speaker 1: that the mayor of Chicago, Richard Daily, turned the city

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Speaker 1: into what Walter Cronkite called a police state leading up

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Speaker 1: to the event. The police turned on left wing protesters

435
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Speaker 1: with unspeakable violence, and the city burned. The whole ugly

436
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Speaker 1: event is, among other things, a big part of what

437
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Speaker 1: inspired Hunter Thompson to write Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

438
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Speaker 1: He was there at the time, um, and it was

439
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: just this this big, ugly nightmare that was largely instigated

440
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Speaker 1: by state violence against protesters who were unhappy that the

441
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Speaker 1: d n C had picked basically a conservative guy to

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Speaker 1: run against fucking Nixon. Um yeah, and in nineteen yeah,

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Speaker 1: And for a little bit of context, all of the

444
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Speaker 1: people who know their history right now are fucking terrified

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Speaker 1: that the DNC in twenty twenty is going to be

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Speaker 1: another sixty eight Chicago. Same yeah. Yeah. I felt like

447
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: that sitting watch in the last debate. I was like, Uh,

448
00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: here we go again. I'll be bringing my helmet. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty nine, Bobby Seal was arrested for conspiracy

450
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Speaker 1: to incite riots at the d n C. And he

451
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: was likely targeted for this because you know, he was

452
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Speaker 1: a co founder of the Black Panthers, and the FBI

453
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: wanted him dead or in prison and ideally both. Um.

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Speaker 1: The court refused to let Seal choose his own lawyer.

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Speaker 1: When he spoke up and complained that his constitutional rights

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Speaker 1: were being violated, the judge ordered him bound and gagged.

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Speaker 1: So he is bound and gagged during his own trial.

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Speaker 1: In the idea of how yeah, yeah, that's another one

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Speaker 1: of those like okay, play some spa music. Think about

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00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: that for a second, just just really ruminate on that.

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Speaker 1: Ruminate on the fact that this man was not allowed

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Speaker 1: to pick his own lawyer. Yeah, and then when he

463
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Speaker 1: complained about it, they gagged him. You're telling you so,

464
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Speaker 1: which one of us is like a president violent? Which

465
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Speaker 1: one of us is violent? You know? Ye? Now, when

466
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Speaker 1: he did get to speak, Bobby repeatedly called the judge

467
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Speaker 1: and government attorneys racists, fascists, and lying pigs. And this

468
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: was pretty true in my opinion, and it did not

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Speaker 1: aid in his defense. Bobby can't say that out loud,

470
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: just like let's let's play to play a long game. UM.

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Speaker 1: He was sentenced to four years in prison and he

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Speaker 1: served twenty one months before his conviction was reversed and

473
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Speaker 1: he was freed in nineteen seventy one. So again, he

474
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Speaker 1: has almost two years stolen from UM. Now, while all

475
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Speaker 1: this was going on, the Panthers were taking in huge

476
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: sums of money. The arrest of Huey Pe Newton in particular,

477
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: drew in enormous amounts of donations, and as thousands of

478
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Speaker 1: men and women joined all across the country, the fundraisers

479
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: grew more and more successful, and as it tends to do,

480
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: all this money caused massive disagreements and fights between different

481
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Speaker 1: chapters of the party. The New York chapter being the

482
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Speaker 1: most successful fundraisers, were particularly incense that they had not

483
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Speaker 1: been allowed to keep what they thought was their fair

484
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Speaker 1: share of the money they had raised for the group. UM.

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Speaker 1: These were the sort of disagreements that any kind of

486
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Speaker 1: political organization is going to have, especially as they grow

487
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Speaker 1: and start up, and they could have been smoothed over

488
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: but for the fact that a large chunk of the

489
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Speaker 1: most respected Panther leadership, the men who might have been

490
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: able to work these conflicts out were in prison or,

491
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Speaker 1: in the case of Hampton dead. Now we're going to

492
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: talk about Fred. But you need to look at this

493
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: thing happening behind my shoulder right now. Oh ship, your

494
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: your your your video is frozen. Oh here we go,

495
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: I can see it. No, it's working here. That's just Sophie, Oh,

496
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: vigorously trying to get your attention. Trump hillaration behind prop

497
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Speaker 1: vera creeple, you know what, won't falsely charge political activists

498
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: with crimes they didn't commit. Oh man, the sponsors of

499
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Speaker 1: this podcast. Glorious, Yeah boy, oh man, all right. I

500
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Speaker 1: couldn't wait to get to Fred Hampton. I feel like

501
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: I've been sitting here at this all the time, waiting

502
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Speaker 1: to God. Yeah, I was wondering why you were gonna

503
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: antcy in there, because when you get the three, it's like,

504
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: this is the trinity that like paints the best picture

505
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Speaker 1: as to how they got destroyed it because it's like

506
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Speaker 1: it's like you ask, you ask ten different panthers, what

507
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: the black panthers? Where you gonna get ten different answers,

508
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: you know, pending on which one of these figureheads. You know,

509
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: you're appealing to you know what I'm saying. Um So,

510
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: that's why I was like, you got to have the

511
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: third person, you know, the doll I don't make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: and we um you know. It was one of those

513
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: things I had to debate do I include Fred Hampton

514
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: in part one or part two? And I thought it

515
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: was best to kind of lay the groundwork in one

516
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: and then bring up because Hampton's whole life is so

517
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: tight in with the police violence, because his story like

518
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: tied with like the Black Massiah stuff. Like, it's like

519
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: you have to wait till there was like, don't because

520
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: he's the most like likable if you will, at all

521
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: of them. So it's like build the narrative and then

522
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: it's like, oh God, now there's a guy that's likable. Yeah,

523
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: so let's let's talk. I mean, I find Hughey and

524
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: Bobby pretty likable Fred. Yeah. Yeah. Fred Hampton is the

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00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: charismatic Yes, um so. Fred Hampton was born on August

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Speaker 1: ninety eight, and he grew up in the suburbs of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: He was gifted academically and physically from a very young age,

528
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Speaker 1: and at one point dreamed of playing for the Yankees,

529
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Speaker 1: but as he grew into a young man, the injustice

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Speaker 1: evident around him in America made anything but a revolutionary

531
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: career impossible for Fred. And I'm gonna quote now from

532
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Speaker 1: a Twitter thread I found on Fred Hampton by Michael Harriet,

533
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Speaker 1: who's a senior writer at the Route. UM, and he

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00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: knows a lot about Hampton. And you know, obviously it's

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Speaker 1: a Twitter threat. I did do my work to like

536
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Speaker 1: double check claims and stuff. Um. And he's very accurate here, UM,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna quote from him. Like the others he's

538
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: referring to the other Black Panther leaders. Hampton started out

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Speaker 1: with mainstream black organizations. By the time he was a teenager,

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Speaker 1: he was organizing his own youth chapter of the in

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Speaker 1: double a CP in his small Illinois suburb. In a

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00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: single year, he had five hundred members. If this sounds

543
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: like hype, consider this. When Hampton attended his first Black

544
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: Panther Party meeting in November nineteen sixty eight, the FBI

545
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: had already opened a file on him a year earlier.

546
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Speaker 1: His phone had been tapped for nine months. He had

547
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Speaker 1: been designated as a key leader on the FBI's Agitator

548
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: Index for five months before he ever joins the party.

549
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: He's just he's a g Like that's the what it's like.

550
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: You take all of the best attributes of everybody so

551
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: far and then you like put it in a guy

552
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: who has like the entertaining ability of like a Michael Jackson.

553
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: You're just like you can't lose, you know. So that's

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00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: that he he gives me chills when I think about

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00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: his ability to just like electrifier room. Yeah. Yeah. And

556
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: he's I really recommend like like pulling up videos and

557
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: you can find them of Fred Hampton's speaking and addressing

558
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: crowds like he was. He was very good at it

559
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: um and uh, Michael in that threat argues that the

560
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: FBI recognized Hampton's exceptional nature and that they were terrified

561
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: he would be right to become a national figure. And

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of backing for this argument. Uh. He

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Speaker 1: in particular sites a memo from Herbert Hoover himself discussing

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Speaker 1: the goals of the co Intel program, and it included

565
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Speaker 1: as their number two goal. And I'm gonna quote directly

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Speaker 1: from the FBI here, Everybody take a breath. Yeah, Number

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Speaker 1: two prevent the rise of a messiah who could unify

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Speaker 1: and electrify the militant black nationalist movement. Malcolm X might

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Speaker 1: have been such a messiah. He is the martyr of

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Speaker 1: the movement today. Martin Luther King, Stokely Carmichael, and Elijah

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Speaker 1: Mohammed all aspired to this position. Elijah Mohammed is less

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Speaker 1: of a threat because of his age. King could be

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Speaker 1: a very real contender for this position should he abandon

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Speaker 1: his supposed obedience to white liberal doctrines nonviolence and embrace

575
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Speaker 1: black nationalism. Carmichael has the necessary like, yeah, yeah, here

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Speaker 1: I talk about you, boys, is the yeah obedient a

577
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Speaker 1: white liberal thought dog. Yeah, yeah yeah. If you ever

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Speaker 1: needed evidence of sort of the value of the armed

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Speaker 1: revolutionary wing of the civil rights movement, it's the fact

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Speaker 1: that the FBI was like, thank god, Martin Luther King's chill,

581
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Speaker 1: he cool. Let let let kea talk. Don't let that

582
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Speaker 1: do talk. Yeah, we'd had to shoot him a lot earlier, right,

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Speaker 1: oh man so um Hampton uh in his early well

584
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: he didn't have a long career, unfortunately, but Hampton, early

585
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: in his career worked to broker peace steals between various

586
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Speaker 1: gangs in Chicago and came very close to getting the

587
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Speaker 1: black Stone Rangers, a heavily armed organization with as many

588
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: as eight thousand members, to join the Black Panthers. Now.

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00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: The FBI considered that possibility an enormous threat, and they

590
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: devoted significant resources to fomenting anger between both groups, going

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Speaker 1: as far as forging a death threat to the leader

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Speaker 1: of the black Stone Nation we talked about a little

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Speaker 1: bit in Part one. UM. In early nineteen sixty nine,

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Speaker 1: Fred Hampton set up the first Panther free food distribution

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Speaker 1: in Chicago. He got in trouble around this time due

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Speaker 1: to a confusing series of events with an ice cream truck.

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00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: And again, depending on who you listen to, he either

598
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Speaker 1: stole a bunch of ice cream from an ice cream

599
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: truck to give out to poor kids, um, hijacked the

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Speaker 1: truck and beat its driver, or had nothing at all

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Speaker 1: to do with the robbery of seven any one dollars

602
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: worth of ice cream. In any case, an ice cream

603
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: truck driver claimed to have been beaten up by kids

604
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: while Fred stole ice cream from his truck. UM. And again,

605
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: you gotta be real fucking careful when you listen to

606
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: charges against any of these guys, because we know what

607
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: was going on. Yeah, even even if it was true,

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00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so take that same event and put

609
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: it in like toadsuck Arkansas, which is a city I've performed,

610
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: didn't believe it or not, And it's just funny. It's like,

611
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Speaker 1: you know what, dude is hot out here. You know,

612
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: I got a dial it, you know, distract the guy

613
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: while we get some drumsticks. You know what I'm saying. Like,

614
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: it's more like it's mischievous. You know what I'm saying,

615
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: Like I'm not trying to like, well, yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, minimize a crime. But it's

617
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: like this is it's like it's mischievous. It's just you

618
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: can't be mischievous. And Fred Hampton yeah, now. Hampton was

619
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Speaker 1: arrested for this and charged with robbery and assault. Well

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Speaker 1: he waited for his trial. Fred organ used a free

621
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Speaker 1: breakfast for children program in Chicago. In its first two weeks,

622
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: had fed more than a grade school kids and earned

623
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Speaker 1: a huge amount of community support for the Panthers. Hampton

624
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: was convicted of robbery and assault in April, but thanks

625
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Speaker 1: to a good attorney, he was released from jail on

626
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Speaker 1: two thousand dollars bail fred immediately held a press conference

627
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: where he declared that the Black Panther Party was acting

628
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Speaker 1: in the interests of the people whom the government ignored

629
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Speaker 1: and oppressed. Quote, our case should be taken to the people,

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Speaker 1: and the people will not tolerate any oppressive system or

631
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: force that attempts to jail the very people who feed

632
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: their hungry children now. Hampton next organized a mock trial

633
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Speaker 1: with a group of white leftists known as the New Left,

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Speaker 1: and he gave in that trial what would become one

635
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Speaker 1: of his most famous speeches, saying, We're gonna fight racism,

636
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Speaker 1: not with racism, but with solidarity. We're not going to

637
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: fight capitalism with black capitalism, but we're gonna fight it

638
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: with socialism. We're not gonna fight reactionary pigs with any

639
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: reaction on our part. We're gonna fight their reaction when

640
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: all of us get together and have an international proletarian revolution.

641
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: The most where the FBI was not a fan, the

642
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: most level headed, like mature response to be like look man,

643
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: and just look you know, and and in and in

644
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: that sense it's like it shows sort of. Even though

645
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: there was differences in the solution, there was a common

646
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: thread through a lot of these thinkers are just being like, look, man, like,

647
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if just going straight

648
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: this way is gonna work. I don't know a straight

649
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: going this way is gonna work. But like, you know,

650
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't defeat racism with racism. And it

651
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: just doesn't you know, although that's what that's what y'all want,

652
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: that's what people what they wanted us to believe about

653
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: the Black Panthers was like, y'all were racist, and He's like, no,

654
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: you don't understand. That's not gonna that's not gonna get

655
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: us to our conclusion is more racism. I think that's

656
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: important to notice that those were his words, you know,

657
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: and that's the guy that they were like, He's are

658
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: worse than men? Yeah, yeah yeah. Fred succeeded in building

659
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: a broad base of support in Chicago, including people of

660
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: all races and backgrounds, and this got the attention of

661
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,280
Speaker 1: Panther national leadership. Bobby Seal flew down to sip Cargo

662
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: to attend one of Fred's events. He gave a speech

663
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: there wherein he said, I'm so thirsty for revolution. I'm

664
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: so crazy about the people. We're gonna stand together, We're

665
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: going to have a black army, a Mexican American army,

666
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: and alliance and solidarity with progressive whites, all of us,

667
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: and we're gonna march on this pig power structure and

668
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna say, stick him up, motherfucker, we come for

669
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:27,959
Speaker 1: what's ours. It's a good speech. I love it, man,

670
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: because stick him up, motherfucker we comes. Yeah, Man, Can

671
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I throw in a little history lesson here? Hell yeah? Okay,

672
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to, like because I don't like it

673
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: when someone steals your thunder on the show. So I

674
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to do that, you know what

675
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because no, no, no, you're here to because

676
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: you know more about a lot of aspects of this

677
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: than I. So yeah, hit me up. Yeah. So, like,

678
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, towards the end of like you know, Dr

679
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: King's like work, especially the one that the event that

680
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: ended after I have a dream speech where he was

681
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: on his way for to talk about really was what

682
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: you're saying, was this idea of saying, we need to

683
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: build this coalition because the system itself is trying to

684
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: keep us out of this. Then he does this, he

685
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: does this whole this whole diet tribe about like, okay,

686
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: you know talking about the Homestead Act and y'all could

687
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: google that, but he was talking about the Homestead Act

688
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: like okay, so to lift like poor white people out

689
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: of serfdom. He was like, the government was handing out

690
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: land grants to people to come build farms. If you

691
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: don't know what you was doing, government would train you.

692
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: They pay to train you. If you don't have no

693
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: tools to work at, government pay for you to have

694
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: no tools. He's like, these are social programs that the

695
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: government has done. He's like, these are the same people

696
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: who look at us and say you need to pull

697
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: yourself up by your own bootstraps. And he's like, you

698
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: need to stop asking for government handouts. He's like, the

699
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: government has been handing out money to y'all this whole time.

700
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: So when we go to d C, we're going to

701
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: get our check because because us just trying to to

702
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: to to just tell you to stop being uh a

703
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: racist or trying to change your mind about who you are,

704
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: just trying to fight you. Just forget it. Let's just

705
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: do it ourselves. Black as in it it was like, no, listen,

706
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: this is what you said the country is. This is

707
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: what you said it was, and this is what we're

708
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: coming to do. So for you, for for for the

709
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: government to look at or or for the FBI to say, well,

710
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: Fred Hampton is saying this, I'm like, hey, but your boy,

711
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: your boy King was saying the same thing, family like

712
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: he was. He was actually he said the same it

713
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: just get we're all we're all saying the same thing.

714
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: Bro good, We're all saying the same thing. I mean,

715
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting that the guys who were saying

716
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: that same thing didn't didn't get a lot of time

717
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: to say it. No. Yeah, And I don't know enough

718
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: about the murder of Martin Luther King or the assassination

719
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: of Martin and Luther King to talk about the beercy

720
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: theories you might say around it. Um, but I will

721
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: say there's definitely a reason to be suspicious about what

722
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: kind of government involvement there might have been about Um.

723
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: Also totally possible a racist might have you know that guy. Yeah, yeah,

724
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: it's not out of anyway. Um. So. By May twenty six,

725
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, Fred Hampton's free breakfast program was feeding

726
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: more than three thousand children. On that day, he was

727
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: sentenced to two to five years in prison for his

728
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: little ice cream truck escapade. He appealed, though, and was

729
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: led out on an appeal bond by the Supreme Court

730
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: of Illinois. In July of nineteen sixty nine, Fred Hampton

731
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: embarked on his most ambitious plan yet. He held the

732
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: Conference for a United Front against Fascism, which he built

733
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: as an attempt to build a rainbow coalition. He brought

734
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: a lot of different people together, but focused on bringing

735
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: in poor people of all different races, particularly gang members.

736
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: Hampton told them that no matter who they were, the

737
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: root of their oppression was the same, and they would

738
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: need to work together to confront issues like police stality

739
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: and poor public housing. And teen Vogue actually has a

740
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: really good rite up on this that I'm gonna quote

741
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: from now. Hampton and the other Panthers, like Section leader

742
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: Bobby Lee, made the case that as poor people trying

743
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: to survive and Mayor Richard J. Daly's racially segregated city,

744
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: they had more in common with each other than not.

745
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: They banded together to protect members from the cops, fight

746
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: against police brutality, run healthcare clinics, feed the homeless and

747
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: poor kids, and connect people with legal help. If they

748
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: were dealing with abusive landlords or police. We did security

749
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: for the Panthers along with other panthers. Seventy year old

750
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: High Theurman, a member of the y p O, told

751
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: teen Vogue from his home in Alabama, here's a bunch

752
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: of hillbillies doing, you know, security for black people and

753
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: black panthers. Therman said that was shocking for a lot

754
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: of people. Out of respect for the Panthers, the Young Patriots,

755
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: which grew out of a street gang called the Peacemakers,

756
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: decided to stop wearing the Confederate flag. Meanwhile, the Young

757
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: Lords foregrounded issues impacting immigrants from Latin America and citizens

758
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: who moved from Puerto Rico, birthplace of the co founder

759
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: jose Cha Cha Yamenez. They introduced the slogan Tango Puerto

760
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: Rico in Mikorazon in a fight for Puerto Rican self determination.

761
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: So he's getting together hillbilly white gangs, Puerto Rican, Hispanic gangs,

762
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: black gangs and being like, look, we all have the

763
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: same problems and we can all fight together to deal

764
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, it's like, is that not like? Is

765
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: that not like the I mean, this isn't That's not good?

766
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Like that's the question, Like, wait,

767
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: that's not good, like when you desire I mean, like,

768
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: I just don't understand why this is a problem to

769
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: you all. Well, I mean it's because they kind of

770
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: prefer it if these gangs are shooting at each other,

771
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: because if they realize they all have more in common,

772
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: they started looking at the actual person. Fucking I'm over,

773
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: that's probably it. Suddenly we got a real threat. Now

774
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: you know, you kill each other. We ain't gotta do

775
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: to work for you, gotta just kill each other, you know.

776
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: So listen to this and take heed, young gangsters. Yes, now,

777
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: all of this scared the hell out of j Edgar Hoover.

778
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: He directed his men to quote destroy what they stand

779
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: for and erratic hate. It's served the people programs. I

780
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: gotta say, if you're talking about eradicating serve the people programs,

781
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: you might be the bad guy. I just think I

782
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: think you might be reading this story all wrong. Yeah,

783
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: maybe you on the wrong side of this one. You know,

784
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: it's a real Are we the battiest moment? Wait a minute,

785
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: it's me right, Like yeah, now we are. We are

786
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: leaving out a lot because the story of all of

787
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: the ship that the police and the FBI did to

788
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: take down Fred Hampton would I could do a full

789
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: two parter just on that. Um. This guy had almost

790
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: as much thrown at him as Bobby Seal and Hui P.

791
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Newton did combined. It's it's remarkable um. For our purposes today,

792
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: we're going to focus on the actions of FBI informant

793
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: William O'Neill. Now, as soon as Fred Hampton formed the

794
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: Chicago chapter of the Black Panthers, the Bureau sent O'Neill

795
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: in to infiltrate it, and he was good at his job.

796
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: O'Neill was renowned as a hard worker, although he worried

797
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: other Panthers with his obsession for violence. At point, he

798
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: built an electric chair for the Panthers to use to

799
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: torture informers, which was disassembled on Fred Hampton's orders. And

800
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: it was obviously like a an FBI an attempt for

801
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: them to like get the Panthers to torture people so

802
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: that they could arrest them for a torture. Yeah, and

803
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: Hampton's like, what the funk are you doing building an

804
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: elect Get that out of what you're doing a fucking

805
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: electric chair? I'm gonna quote now from a rite up

806
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: in the nation for this next bit. Quote not simply

807
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: an informant. O'Neil tried to provoke others into kama Kaze

808
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: type activities. Former Panther member Lewis Truelock had submitted an

809
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: affidavit stating that during a visit to O'Neill's father's home,

810
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: the informer showed him putty blasting caps and plastic bottles

811
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: of liquid enough material to produce several bombs. He proposed

812
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: that they blow up an armory and later suggested robbing

813
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: and McDonald's rest around Truelock on the others who heard

814
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: O'Neil's provocative proposals rejected them as useless to the cause.

815
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: Although he was infatuated with weapons and tried to involve

816
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: other Panthers in criminal activities, O'Neill was tolerated because he

817
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: was an exceptionally hard worker around the office. Ronald doc Sat,

818
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: a Black Panther leader who was wounded in the raid,

819
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: recalls the only person who didn't want O'Neil and the

820
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: Panthers was Fred Hampton. Now. The electric chair and the

821
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 1: bombs were part of a series of schemes O'Neil hatch

822
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: to try in and trap Hampton on behalf of the FBI.

823
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: None of them worked, though, because Hampton was very smart,

824
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: and eventually the police were left with exactly one option

825
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: for dealing with Fred, cold blooded murder. In November of

826
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, William O'Neill provided the FBI with a

827
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: detailed floor plan of the Black Panther Headquarters, which doubled

828
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: as Fred Hampton's home. The map included a red X

829
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: over his bed. At four am, Sergeant Daniel Groth of

830
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: the Chicago Police Department knocked on the door of the

831
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: Black Panther Headquarters. What exactly happened next is debated, but

832
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: we know that for the next seven minutes, the police

833
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: pumped roughly a hundred rounds into the building. Only one

834
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: bullet was fired in response by a Black Panther, Mark Clark,

835
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: aged two. Both Clark and Fred Hampton were shot dead.

836
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: Fred died in his bed from two point blank gunshots

837
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: to the head. The vast majority of bull holes in

838
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: the house were centered around the location of his bed,

839
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: where William O'Neil had drawn the red X. One officer

840
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: was heard saying he's good and dead now as they

841
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: trapes through the bloodstained office, and there was a photograph

842
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: of the officers carrying Fred Hampton's body from the building.

843
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: It's one of the more disgusting things I've ever seen.

844
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: Two of the officers are visibly gritting and we we've

845
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: got a photograph, so if you can show you, we'll

846
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: put it up on the side. I've seen it. It's important, Yeah,

847
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: it's important to see these men's faces. Um this and

848
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: that the map with the red X or something that

849
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: like sits in our psyche, you know, because that image

850
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: is just it just burns in you. You know what

851
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying when you see and you know, like that's

852
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: what is that's that man is bit you know? Yeah

853
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, but is it that for the listeners that

854
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: the you would think that they just like left there

855
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: like local bar and just like a glad hand in

856
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: each other. Like that's the way they look like they

857
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: did well on a slot machine. Yeah, yeah, so true,

858
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: speaking of doing well on a slot machine. Following the ray,

859
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: William O'Neal was given a three hundred dollar bonus by

860
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: the FBI. And now today the assassination of Fred Hampton

861
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: is basically universally agreed by scholars and legal experts as

862
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: well as activists, to have been a political assassination organized

863
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: and orchestrated by the FBI. Um. There is really zero

864
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: disagreement about this fact between credible people who study it. However,

865
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: in mainstream coverage of the raid, you still run into

866
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: people who will equivocate on this fact. A Chicago Tribune

867
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: article I read about the assassination stated in the two

868
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: years before the raid, police and panthers had engaged in

869
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: eight gun battles nationally in which three police officers and

870
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: five panthers died. Four of the shootouts, including one in

871
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: which two police officers were killed, occurred in Chicago. To

872
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: try and make the case that, like there was reason

873
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: for the police to be super anty about this whole thing,

874
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: you know what like is like when people say, hey, well,

875
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: you know these street gangs are these streets, you know,

876
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: they're violent to they're shooting, they're shooting, so we're shooting.

877
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but you know they're gangsters. Yeah, yeah,

878
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: they're shooting. But aren't aren't you the police, Like, aren't

879
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: you supposed to carry yourself? You know, at a level

880
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: of integrity, you're telling me your bar of integrity is

881
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: a street gang. That's what you're telling me right now,

882
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: you know. So even if I'm just saying, like, even

883
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: if that was your reasoning, I'm like, yeah, but you're

884
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: the cops though. Yeah. You know one thing that's interesting

885
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: to me that maybe I can leave a little bit

886
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: of homework for the listener. Go sit down and and

887
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: look up Google all the people who were killed in

888
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: mass shootings in the history of the United States, Like, like,

889
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: not just like shootings, but like mass shootes where some

890
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: nut with a gun decides to murder a bunch of strangers.

891
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: Add that number together, and then figure out how many

892
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 1: people were shot dead by the police in two thousand

893
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: nineteen alone. Oh no, figure out which of those numbers

894
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: is larger. But a homework for you now. Uh. The

895
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: article um that I found in the Chicago Tribune also

896
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: counts the firearms the panthers had on the property nineteen

897
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: and the number of rounds over a thousand, as if

898
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: any of that justifies what was done. Those were all

899
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: the legally owned guns and legally owned I have more

900
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: firearms and ammunition in my house sitting five feet from

901
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: me in the black Panthers had in their house at

902
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: that point. Um, Like, that's not a lot to be

903
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the nineteens, a sizable number of guns

904
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: for one person, but like it was multiple people's weapons,

905
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: and a thousand rounds is not a lot. Um. And

906
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: those gunfights with police had no connection to Fred Hampton

907
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: other than that he was a Panther to UM. And

908
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: despite the murders and the FBI factory and the counterintelligence operations,

909
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: by seventy the Black Panthers had offices in sixty eight cities.

910
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: The representatives had traveled to meet with communist leaders in

911
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: North Vietnam, North Korea, and China. Some Panthers had set

912
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: up shop in Algeria. UM. And we're not gonna have

913
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: enough time really to go into all of the international

914
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: divisions of this. And speaking of international, UM, Sophie is

915
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: signaling to me that it's time for an ad break

916
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: from the international corporations that sponsored this podcast. All right, globalism,

917
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: the globalist you're Alex Jones voices on point, We're back.

918
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: So UM nineteen seventy would prove to be the Black

919
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: Panthers high point. And again there's a number of reasons

920
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: for this. Police repression, UM, disruption of the leadership and

921
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: stuff had a lot to do with it. UM. I

922
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: should note, and it's very fair to note that it

923
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: was not just UM police and state violence that were

924
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: responsible for the decline of the Black Panthers. There were

925
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: other sort of factors that played into it. And I'm

926
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: gonna quote from Black Against Empire again because it gives

927
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: you an idea of some of these other factors. The

928
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: resilience of the Black Panthers politics depended heavily on support

929
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: from three broad constituencies, Blacks, opponents of the Vietnam War,

930
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: and revolutionary governments internationally. Without the support of these allies,

931
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party could not withstand repressive actions against

932
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: them by the state. But, beginning in nineteen sixty nine

933
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: and steadily increasing through nineteen seventy, political transformations undercut the

934
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: self interest that motivated these constituencies to support the Panthers politics.

935
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: As mainstream Democratic leaders opposed the war and Nixon scaled

936
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: back the military draft, blacks one broader social access and

937
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: political representation, and revolutionary governments entered diplomatic relations with the

938
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: United States, the Panthers had greater difficulty sustaining Allied support. First,

939
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: major concessions by the political establishment and the Nixon the

940
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: administration on the Vietnam War eroded the basis of war

941
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: opponents support for the Panthers politics. Once it appeared the

942
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: war would be ended through institutionalized political means, those principally

943
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: committed to ending the draft in war no longer shared

944
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: a personal stake and radically transforming political institutions, many now

945
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: increasingly saw the Panthers call for revolution as unnecessary. From

946
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine onward, increasing electoral representation as well as

947
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: affirmative action programs and growing access to government employment and

948
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: e leite education also weakened the base of support for

949
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: the Panthers revolutionary politics among blacks. From the end of

950
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: reconstruction eighteen seventy seven until nineteen sixty nine, no more

951
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: than six black people it held a seat in the

952
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: U s House of Representatives at once, but just two

953
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: years later black representation more than doubled, with thirteen Black

954
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: people holding seats in the US House of Representatives by

955
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: nine So a lot of why the Panthers decline is

956
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: because these groups who supported them because they were in

957
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: like for their own self interest, got what they wanted

958
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: and stopped caring about this kind of revolutionary struggle for equality. Yeah,

959
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: that's part of this story too. Yeah, my uh, my

960
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: father would say, like, you know, the government go always

961
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: get their man, you know, whatever they want. If the

962
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: if the system decides they want you going, you're gonna

963
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: be going right and like and he would also say,

964
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: what you ain't what you ain't gonna never mess with

965
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: is their money. And if you mess it with their money,

966
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna stop it. You know. So this idea of

967
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: like you had this coalition. It was cool when it

968
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, y'all want to sit at the same

969
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: table as us, all right, that's all right, fine, you

970
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Okay, you want us to not

971
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: beat you on the streets, all right, I guess you

972
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Won't you start messing with our

973
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: money though, you know, and um and and especially like

974
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: our our internationals. Like I said, when you may have

975
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: said this on the last episode when you first invited

976
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: me on here, I wanted to like refresh my memory

977
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: with like with with my father's experience. So I caught

978
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: him and talked to him about it for a while.

979
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: So this was like the time he was in and

980
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: he was saying he was saying that he would talk

981
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: about like the multi tiered approach of like, uh, the

982
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: sowing seeds of like doubt of like you know, even

983
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: just the idea of saying like hey, you know, um,

984
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: you got this coalition, but like now, like well, if

985
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: the war is over, why are y'all here? Right? So

986
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: he he even mentioned he mentioned exactly what you were saying.

987
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: It was like, now the utility is gone, Like what

988
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: do we do? Then you have like the the what

989
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: we what we in the in slang, now we'll call

990
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: street sweepers. But it was essentially like the injunctions of

991
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: like you're not allowed to gather. He was talking about

992
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: like if it was two or more y'all on a sidewalk,

993
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: that constitutes a black panther meeting. So you'd be stopped

994
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: by the police and like broken up because you're just

995
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: standing on a street corner together, you know what I'm saying.

996
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: So like this multi tiered approach to like whether it

997
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: was just like sowing seeds of doubt, dividing the coalition,

998
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: messing with their money, just like all of those things together, Um,

999
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: if the government decides these are his words of government.

1000
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: Decide down, won't you down? Won't you? Yeah? Yeah, And

1001
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: it's um, yeah, I'm glad you brought up like the

1002
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: like the cracking down on so called meetings, because that again,

1003
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: that's that's one of those things, like there's there was

1004
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: so much. I'm sure it was on my I think

1005
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: it was on my dock at some point. I just

1006
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: didn't get written up. And that's absolutely important. I'm sure

1007
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: there's other stuff like that that I've left out because

1008
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: there's just so much to go over here. Um, so

1009
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad you did bring that up. Um. The Black

1010
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: Panther Party was eventually dissolved in and the FBI and

1011
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, local federal, state law enforcement cannot be blamed

1012
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: for all of that, but their efforts succeeded in draining

1013
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: huge amounts of energy from the organization, killing at least

1014
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: twenty of its members, and most importantly, destroying or distracting

1015
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: its most influential leaders. Huey P. Newton spent most of

1016
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies fighting a seemingly endless series of legal battles.

1017
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: There were accusations of violence and embezzling and even murder

1018
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: that are very hard for me to parse out. It

1019
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: is possible he committed some of these crimes, possibly embezzled.

1020
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: Given what we know about the FBI's efforts to take

1021
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: him down, I have a lot of difficulty giving too

1022
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: much credit to any of these charges. Um, he was

1023
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: murdered in nineteen eighty nine by Tyrone Johnson, a member

1024
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: of the Black Guerrilla Family, a prison gang, and it's

1025
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: very difficult to not draw connections between that murder and

1026
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: the FBI motivated US killings. Um, you know, I I

1027
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: don't know, impossible not to think about it. Did you

1028
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: come across this is like a side note, but did

1029
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: you come across like the ten demands of the Black

1030
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: Panther Party? Yes, yeah, we're getting Yeah. Yeah, that's that's

1031
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: what I wanted to end on. Yeah, And did you

1032
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: get don't are you going to cover like their connection

1033
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: with like the founding of the crips and Tookie Williams

1034
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: and stuff that we're not So if you have something,

1035
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 1: yeah I would I would love to get. So it's this,

1036
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: it's this window that you're talking about, this window of

1037
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: like the sort of seeing you know, you got these

1038
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: three dudes like seeing the the destruction of the party

1039
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: and almost like the same sort of disillusionment, Like damn,

1040
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: that didn't work either, you know what I'm saying, And

1041
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: just being like, and then you introduce Crack and then

1042
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: it just everything changes. But like that sort of transition

1043
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: from the Panthers dissolving to these like you know, just

1044
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: street gangs of just like what we know as the crips,

1045
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Being like, there's a documentary

1046
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: called The Bastard Children of the Black Panther Party and

1047
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: it was about the founding of the crips and uh,

1048
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: and that window between those two sort of like like

1049
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: the dissolving of that and then the birth of this,

1050
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, being a new sort of like communal police

1051
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: force and then and then the Crack attack and then

1052
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: it all goes to ship But interesting. Yeah, anyway, I

1053
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: had no idea about any of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1054
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: And the whole Crack in the Inner Cities thing in

1055
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: the c I that that's a whole another two or

1056
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: three part because I don't want to just like spout

1057
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: off about that because even among the people who are

1058
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: on the right track, there's a lot of misconceptions about

1059
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: that's carried out and it's it's very detailed his whatever

1060
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: the case may be. It's it's understood in the inner

1061
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: city that like, yeah, crack destroyed us. It's what made

1062
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: our gangs violent, you know what I'm saying. And just

1063
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: the moving of drugs is what made our gangs violent. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1064
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: and um yeah, that's really important context. Um. And also

1065
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: important context is the to really get an idea of

1066
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: the sheer level of of factory perpetrated against the Black

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00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: Panther Party by the FBI during the period of Cointeal

1068
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: Pro of the two nine as the bureau took to

1069
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: disrupt black groups. Under co Intal Pro two hundred and

1070
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: thirty three were taken against the Panthers. The FBI paid

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00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: out more than seven point four million dollars in bribes

1072
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: to Black Panther informants, which is more than for for context,

1073
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: that's more than twice the amount of money they spent

1074
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: on bribing informants who were organized crime informants nationwide. So

1075
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: they spent twice as much money on the Black Panthers

1076
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: as they did on the fucking mob. Mob. And the

1077
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: mob in like the sixties and seventies, when the mob

1078
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: is like really a big deal the actual mob. Yes, yeah,

1079
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 1: like the hardcore like the fucking Scorsese mob. Yeah, yeah,

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00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: you know it's that I will speak. I think I

1081
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: could speak for all of black people. I'm like, I'm

1082
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: gonna go out a limit say this. I am. We

1083
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: are absolutely fascinated like the Irishman being like, oh, the

1084
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: greatest movie ever, like you know, honored as like this,

1085
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: Like now, I'm like, y'all murder Murderer, Like okay, I

1086
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: like my movies too, But how come like y'all are

1087
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: so fascinated with just these like these white like gangsters,

1088
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: Like why is it okay? Why are y'all so fascinated

1089
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: by white gangsters? I'm saying, I wonder how many of

1090
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: the people who love those movies. Um, I also think

1091
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: that rap music unfairly glorified criminals. Yes, that's my point,

1092
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: that's my point. I'm just like, why is it why

1093
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: y'all okay with this? Like why is this type entertaining?

1094
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: Like why is this okay? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Um so. Yeah.

1095
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: We've spent this episode talking about this incredibly sweeping campaign

1096
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: to disrupt and destroy the Black Panthers by the FBI

1097
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: and by law enforcement, and we might not know about

1098
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: any of this if it weren't for the actions of

1099
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: eight really fucking cool dudes led by William C. Daviden,

1100
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: professor of physics at Haverford College. In nineteen seventy one,

1101
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: they spent months casing an FBI field office in Philadelphia.

1102
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: During the night of a major Fraser Ali fight, when

1103
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: everyone was distracted, they broke into the FBI's offices with

1104
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: a crowbar and made out with a car load of

1105
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: FBI files. Those files included numerous memos from j Edgar

1106
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: Hoover on the Black Panthers and the co Intel pro

1107
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: to operations. Now, the FBI tried to stop the press

1108
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,479
Speaker 1: from writing about any of this, but The Washington Post

1109
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: was courageous enough to flip in the bird and right

1110
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: about it. The findings inspired a blizzard of foyer request

1111
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: from Panthers, who suddenly had confirmation that they've been surveilled

1112
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: for years. All these ship they've been writing about the

1113
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: fbis on our backs. No, you're paranoid, No, look, no seriously, yeah. Yeah.

1114
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: For an example of what was found, one member, a

1115
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: guy named Rodney Barnett, received a five hundred page file

1116
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: on himself quote documenting his whereabouts, interviewing every employer he's

1117
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: ever had, interviewing his high school teacher, his neighbors, all

1118
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: of his siblings, and observing him getting on airplanes. So

1119
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 1: all this led to an investigation in nineteen seventy six

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: by the Senate collect Committee on Intelligence Activities. The final

1121
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: report they issued noted that the actions carried out by

1122
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: the FBI under co Intel pro quote would be intolerable

1123
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: in a democratic society even if all the targets had

1124
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: been involved in violent activity. But co Intel pro went

1125
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: far beyond that. The unexpressed major premise of the programs

1126
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: was that a law enforcement agency has the duty to

1127
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: do whatever is necessary to combat perceived threats to the

1128
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: existing social order and political order. But the report stated,

1129
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: although the claimed purpose of the program was to prevent violence,

1130
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: its tactics quote were clearly intended to foster violence, and

1131
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: many could reasonably have been expected to cause violence. The

1132
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: Senate concluded that the FBI quote itself, engaged in lawless

1133
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: tactics and responded to deep seated social programs by fomenting

1134
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: violence and unrest. And part of me wants to end

1135
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: on that note, but I don't think I want to

1136
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: give the government the last word in this episode, even

1137
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: if that last word is the government condemning the actions

1138
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: of its own agents. So for the last word in

1139
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: this episode, I think we should go over the Black

1140
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: Panthers tin Point Program introduced in nineteen sixty six by

1141
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: huy P. Newton and Bobby Seal. And Bobby Seal, by

1142
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: the way, we talked about Newton, he died, obviously, Hampton died.

1143
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: Seal is still alive today, or at least as if

1144
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: the recording this episode has continued to be an activist

1145
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: ran for off as a couple of times. Um, and yeah,

1146
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: it's still around to this day. So that's at least

1147
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: one bit of yeah positive. Um. So here is the

1148
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: tin Point program. What we want now. Number one, we

1149
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: want freedom. We want the power to determine the destiny

1150
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: of our black community. Number two, we want full employment

1151
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: for our people. Number three we want an into the

1152
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: robbery by the white men of our black community, later

1153
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: changed to we want an into the robbery by the

1154
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 1: capitalists of our black and depressed communities. Four we want

1155
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: decent housing fit for the shelter of human beings. Five

1156
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: we want education for a people that exposes the true

1157
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: nature of this decadent American society. We want education that

1158
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: teaches us our true history and our role in the

1159
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: present day society. Six we want all black men to

1160
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: be exempt from military service. Seven we want an immediate

1161
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: end to police brutality and murder of black people. Eight

1162
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: we want freedom for all black men held in federal, state, county,

1163
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: and city prisons and jails. Nine we want all Black people,

1164
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,919
Speaker 1: when brought to trial, to be tried in a court

1165
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: by a jury of their peer group or people from

1166
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: their black communities, as defined by the Constitution of the

1167
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: United States. And ten we want land, bred housing, education, clothing, justice,

1168
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: and peace. Now. That list of demands also included a

1169
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: list of beliefs, starting with we believe that black people

1170
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: will not be free until we are able to determine

1171
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: our own destiny, and included a reiteration of the Panther

1172
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: belief in the importance of community self defense. We believe

1173
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 1: we can end police brutality in our black community by

1174
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: organizing black self defense groups that are dedicated to defending

1175
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: our black community from racist police oppression and brutality. The

1176
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States gives

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01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: us the right to bear arms. We therefore believe that

1178
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: all black people should arm themselves for self defense. There

1179
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: were also demands for the release of all black people

1180
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: incarcerated in American prisons, since none of them could possibly

1181
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: have received a fair trial. The whole thing ended with

1182
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: this paragraph. When in the course of human events, it

1183
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds

1184
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: which have connected them with another, and to assume among

1185
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: the powers of the earth the separate and equal station

1186
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: to which the laws and Nature's God entitle them. A

1187
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they

1188
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: should declare the causes which impel them to separation. We

1189
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: hold these truths to be self evident, and that all

1190
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: men are created equal, that they are endowed by their

1191
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty,

1192
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,

1193
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from

1194
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: the consent of the government. That whenever any form of

1195
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right

1196
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: of the people to alter and abolish it, and to

1197
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and

1198
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: organizing its power in such a form as to them

1199
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.

1200
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: Prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not

1201
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: be changed light and transient causes. And accordingly, all experience

1202
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while

1203
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: levelers are sufferable, than to write themselves by abolishing the

1204
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,479
Speaker 1: forms to which they are accused. But when a long

1205
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object,

1206
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: evince as a design to reduce them under absolute despotism,

1207
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: it is their right and their duty to throw off

1208
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: such government and to provide new guards of their future security.

1209
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: You may recognize that as the beginning of the declaration

1210
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: to if independence. Yes, man, what a freaking journey. And

1211
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: they're so like again us ten different people with the

1212
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: black panthers? Are you get ten different answers, even people

1213
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: that were in the movement. But at the end of

1214
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: the day, man, like, you know, wherever like point might

1215
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: be a problem? Like is it? I mean, is it

1216
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: so much to ask to be? Like? Yo, I just

1217
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: wanted housing that's like suitable for humans? How about that? Yeah?

1218
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: You know, if yeah, yeah it and at the end

1219
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: of the day, and I think why they ended on

1220
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: that note I'm just quoting the introduction to the Declaration

1221
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: of Independence, is they're saying, what we want is for

1222
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: this nation to make good on its promises. Just just

1223
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: keep your promises. Yeah, like yeah, like they're saying, like

1224
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: this thing that you all claim to revere, this is

1225
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: a good document. It's got some good ship in there.

1226
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: Why aren't you doing it? That's what we were about.

1227
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Yeah yeah, so good, yeah yeah cool cool,

1228
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: um prop Is there anything you want to go into

1229
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: before we roll out of this one? Man? Um? I

1230
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: think uh, mentioning some of the like some of the women,

1231
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: like the Tupac connection, you know Nikki, I mean Angela Davis,

1232
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean her her prison reform stuff

1233
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: that she's doing now, like some of these people, um

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, uh, Nina Simone and like you know, just

1235
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: some of the like things that are having like uh,

1236
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: who's in Cuba right now? What am I blank? And

1237
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: who's in Cuba right now? Oh? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1238
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: um some of their like because yeah they're in Cuba

1239
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: and in um Algeria, they had like a number of

1240
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: them wound up living. Yeah, they just they just went there. Yeah.

1241
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, some of the some of the women, you

1242
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that we're like so pivotal, you

1243
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And again like uh Afana shakor

1244
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: like Tupac's mom, you know what I'm saying, Um, you know,

1245
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: going to prison or being pregnant with Tupac in prison.

1246
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Stuff like that like that

1247
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: like ties to like now I think would be cool

1248
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: to kind of cover. Yeah. Yeah, And that's definitely the

1249
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: biggest shortcoming of this is that, like, yeah, I mean

1250
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't go into detail enough about like the

1251
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: different women activists, um, the the international stuff that went on. Um,

1252
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: It's there's so much to talk about. Yeah, like there was.

1253
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: It was always going to be imperfect, and I totally

1254
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: but gun you could go here, you could like Angela

1255
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: Davis like teaches at Berkeley, Like you could go hear

1256
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: her right now, you could go hear her lecture, you

1257
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like those things to me, like

1258
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: these like living you know monuments that like like if

1259
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: we could gather these stories and hear the more somebody

1260
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: could hear them. Why they're still alive? You know what

1261
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Um, I think it's like super even if

1262
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: you don't like even if you don't rock with like

1263
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: a lot of whatever they stood for right now, like

1264
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: she was, she was on this campaign and like just

1265
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 1: in prisons period, Like prisons are ineffective, They don't work,

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Speaker 1: They just make more criminals, you know what I'm saying. Um,

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Speaker 1: So you could go hear her right now. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like talk about it. You know know, I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: like why Tupac was who he was again, his mama

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Speaker 1: was a panther, you know what I'm saying, and like

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Speaker 1: it was in prison pregnant with him, you know things

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Speaker 1: like that. I just think it's like these this like

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Speaker 1: it's not it's it's not that long ago, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like some of these people are still

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Speaker 1: alive and still accessible. But really the misst to me

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Speaker 1: even in a lot of like the academic work with

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Speaker 1: the with the panthers, Like I know I've harped on

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Speaker 1: this a lot, but like what the women did, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They were doing the cooking for

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Speaker 1: all those like breakfast programs that was women doing that,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, When they locked up all

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Speaker 1: the men when it was killing the men, guess who

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01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: charried it. It It was the women, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So it's just I just think that, like that legacy,

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01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: I would love to see more on that legacy, not

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Speaker 1: even not from this, I'm just saying just period, Like listen, yeah,

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Speaker 1: can we talk about what the ladies did? You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, And that's you know that

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Speaker 1: that's probably a good maybe a good subject from when

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Speaker 1: we do our next Heroes episode, uh around the end

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Speaker 1: of the year or something. Yeah. Um, and part I

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01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: was focusing this on, I mean, I was focusing this

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Speaker 1: largely on like efforts to destroy the panthers, and those

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Speaker 1: did sort of focus more on on killing and injuring Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: imprisoning some of the Yeah. But you're right, like that's

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Speaker 1: a you know, and it's one of those things. As

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Speaker 1: soon as I started reading Black Against Empire, it was

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: like this anxiety attack of like I'm gonna leave so

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Speaker 1: much sh it out, dude. Yeah, you can't like how

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01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: like that's what I was saying, Like I was already

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Speaker 1: ready to show you mercy because it's just so much

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Speaker 1: to cover, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, this

1303
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: was a very focused episode, and my main hope for

1304
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: it is that it convinces people, particularly other like white

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Speaker 1: kids like me, Um, go read more about these guys

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: and women and and and this this, Like, go read

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Speaker 1: more about this. I think Black Against Empire is a

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01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: good place to start. Um. There's a lot of other

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Speaker 1: really good books, um, um that you can look into.

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Speaker 1: And I'd say i'd even tell everybody, like I've taken

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01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: your book advice before, you know, read a few things

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Speaker 1: you didn't put out there, and has sent those four

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Speaker 1: Like I read The Death of Democracy. That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: That was That was a book. Boy. Yeah, yeah, you

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01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: probably got to save chills. I did. When he was reading,

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01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh this isn't good. Yeah, this

1317
01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: is too familiar. Yeah. Anyway, well, um, you know, you know,

1318
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Speaker 1: maybe consider some of the lessons in Black Against Empire

1319
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: is part of the antidote to the Death of Democracy,

1320
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Speaker 1: especially the survival programs, that sort of thing, this idea

1321
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: of community organizing for self defense, um, the armed stuff

1322
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: and the stuff that has nothing to do with guns.

1323
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Speaker 1: It's all very important. So that's the in note on

1324
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Speaker 1: this episode. Prop you wanna plug your plug doubles before

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Speaker 1: we sail out of here into the weekend. My plug

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Speaker 1: doubles are prop hip hop. Uh, just like it sounds

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Speaker 1: prop hip hop. That's that's Twitter, that's Instagram, that's the website.

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Speaker 1: There's Merche coffee, Paraphamalilia. I'm quite a coffee nerd uh.

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Speaker 1: A couple of podcasts I'm a part of, like really

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Speaker 1: cool coffee paper. Oh yeah, it's really really really you

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Speaker 1: guys got to look up the Poor Gammy. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: blow your mind. DJ Daniel, our engineer bought one jerk.

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Speaker 1: You're supposed I was supposed to give you one man.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, dude, so the Poor Gammy. Um ye, some pods.

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Speaker 1: I'm a part of Godhood Politics when I'm most excited

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Speaker 1: about essentially like a uh sort of the like street

1337
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Speaker 1: level version of like politics and information just to like

1338
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Speaker 1: it's kind of fun, kind of tongue tongue in cheek.

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Speaker 1: But you can understand politics. If you survived eighth grade,

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Speaker 1: you can understand geo politics. And that's really what and

1341
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Speaker 1: that's what kind of what I'm working on. All right,

1342
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: and I am working on this podcast every week. You

1343
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: can find me here, you know, and the sources for

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Speaker 1: this episode on behind the Bastards dot com. You can

1345
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Speaker 1: find our Twitter and Instagram and at Bastards pod you

1346
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: can find my Twitter at I right, okay, um, and

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Speaker 1: you can also find our other podcast, Worst Year Ever. Um.

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Speaker 1: We have a two parter that just dropped, investigating a

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Speaker 1: terrorist attack on the furry community at a convention in

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Speaker 1: to US in fourteen and it's Nazi connections. So that's

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Speaker 1: a fun one. Um. So uh, continue uh learning things,

1352
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: read some good books and go ahead into the street

1353
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: and and kick some ass or or feed some ass

1354
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: to do something two asses. Yeah, great, all right, and

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Speaker 1: we're out. H m.