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Speaker 2: Ready to go. John Middlcoff three in out former NFL scout.

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Speaker 2: There are no normal flights in America anymore. There are

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Speaker 2: no normal flights. I don't do private. I want to

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Speaker 2: be I tell my wife all the time. I'm one

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Speaker 2: of the people up until the people arrive, man of

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Speaker 2: the people. So I go on these just like everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Last six flights, something happens, something unravels. Lady next to me,

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Speaker 2: nine times. At one point she was at the window.

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Speaker 2: I was in the aisle, John, I said to her,

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Speaker 2: like on the wing. You want to sit out there?

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Speaker 2: Because I literally my meal? Nope, get up, movie get

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Speaker 1: You know, I try to be I always want something

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Speaker 1: the time. I kind of want that to happen on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've moved. You know, if somebody comes up

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to guess. So my first take was

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Speaker 1: Ucla was good on defense these last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: So I bow Nick's you know, you say, oh, we

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Speaker 1: Well, think about this, Colin, and we've talked about this

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Speaker 1: Bo Knicks got beat up bad when he was in

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Speaker 1: Him and Caleb Bright aren't super tall, and it stands

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Speaker 1: Are you better off? Though? Like, I don't think Minnesota

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I kind of feel like Sam's in

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Speaker 2: I think Jason McIntyre said this the editor he picked

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Speaker 2: So I want to talk about Caleb Williams of the Bears.

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Speaker 2: So Jordan Palmer was on my show I think it

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Speaker 2: a bit sloppy. Mahomes does, or did early in his career. Mechanically,

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Speaker 2: you know, Patrick's running around, he just gets a little

428
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 2: backyard football lee. And both the gms I talked to

429
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: with Caleb said he just he just has to get

430
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Speaker 2: more in rhythm, which he said, I think in the

431
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: pros he won't run around as much. He's a smart kid.

432
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Speaker 2: He'll figure out I don't want to get hit. The

433
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Speaker 2: second thing is sometimes he's a little bit of a playmaker,

434
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 2: a little bit of an ad libber. But Jordan Palmer said, listen,

435
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: he got bored with college.

436
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Speaker 1: He was the.

437
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: Heisman winner right his first year at USC, and then

438
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 2: USC can't stop anybody his second year and he's like,

439
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 2: okay and terrible, and he's like, we're not a national

440
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: championship team. And Jordan said, when I watched him, I

441
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: saw a guy that was bored out of his mind.

442
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of truth to that.

443
00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 2: So when you get bored, you lose focus. When you

444
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: lose focus in any job, you get a little sloppy.

445
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 2: I thought Caleb was a little sloppy last year. And

446
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: I think sometimes Lincoln Riley, because of the offensive line,

447
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 2: really struggled with what to call. And I heard that

448
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: inside the program. It's like Lincoln just didn't trust the protection.

449
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 2: So he's like, I'm not getting Caleb Williams hurt. I'm

450
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: not getting it, you know, cause Caleb was. He came

451
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Speaker 2: all the way out to USC first year, got pretty

452
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: good protection, wins the highest. But I think Lincoln feels

453
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Speaker 2: like you know what it's worth it. This is gonna

454
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: be great by the second year. Halfway through it, I

455
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 2: think Lincoln, what I was told is Lincoln just there's

456
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 2: things Lincoln wouldn't call. He didn't want to get him hurt.

457
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Speaker 2: And so I think go back to the previous year.

458
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: That's the Caleb Williams you're going to see in Chicago,

459
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 2: which is focused runs the play, can ad lib if

460
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: he has to. But Jordan's whole point was don't judge

461
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: too much. In the last five or six USC games,

462
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: team was terrible. He was bored ad libing a little

463
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Speaker 2: bit more than he probably would in real life. So

464
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Speaker 2: what's your thought on that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think if you go and watch

466
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: every play that he had in that preseason game, he

467
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: showed every tool in the toolbox. I mean, my mother

468
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: could see that play that he made roll into his

469
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: right that he threw to Comet. That's as good as

470
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: it gets. I mean, that's Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. But

471
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: the play that he made, the little dump off to Swift.

472
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Speaker 1: I don't think we talk enough about instincts as a quarterback.

473
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: Some guys have them and some guys don't, and that

474
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: means feel in the pocket. That means to know when

475
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Speaker 1: it's not going to go well and I got rid

476
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: of the ball immediately, or when I can keep a

477
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 1: play alive. And I think the new trait that every

478
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Speaker 1: team looks for is the scramble to throw and keep

479
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: plays alive. But to scramble to throw, you need a

480
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: good arm. It's what Aaron Rodgers built a Hall of

481
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: Fame career on. He could throw outside the tackle box

482
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: ropes accurately. And that's what Caleb Williams can do in spades,

483
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,479
Speaker 1: because let's face it, all these teams in the NFL

484
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: now multiple most teams have multiple sweet pass rushers. There

485
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: aren't as many good offensive linemen in the league anymore,

486
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: so you've got to be able to move. And he's

487
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: accurate in the arm. Strength is just elite. Like you said,

488
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Speaker 1: he's gonna have a little hero ball, But how could

489
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: you not have hero ball if that's the skill that

490
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: he has. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, he had to get

491
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Speaker 1: older and realize that we can play a little different,

492
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: but early on, like I want him to bring that

493
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: to the table because he's accurate throwing the ball downfield.

494
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: If he has to move now there's a difference of

495
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: something was open, you didn't need to do that, but

496
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: like nothing was there, your guard gets smoked. You gotta move.

497
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: But he made he did it all. He threw a

498
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Speaker 1: sweet play I think on like the second or third

499
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: pass of the game from the pocket. He had the

500
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: crazy instinctive play to swift. He had the play on

501
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: the move. The other thing and they I don't know

502
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: if you saw hard knocks yet, but they kind of

503
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: did this silly thing where they brought it a slip

504
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: and slide to teach the quarterbacks how to slide. I'm

505
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Speaker 1: sorry that they were joking about it, but also kind

506
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: of serious. It's important. His right arm is the franchise

507
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: and he had a scramble where he slid, and he's

508
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Speaker 1: gonna have I would say, depending on the game, anywhere

509
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Speaker 1: from two to five could be second, and eight could

510
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: be third and eight. He can scramble for ten yards

511
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: and pick up a first down. But when you scramble

512
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: and you're not by the sideline, you gotta fucking hit

513
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: the ground and you gotta slide because they can't touch you,

514
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: and the defenders know it when you stay up. And

515
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy did in the game, and a lot of

516
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks do it. You're gonna get clipped and you're gonna

517
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: get clipped hard. So if you're doing that, he can

518
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 1: stay healthy because he can avoid well. His short area

519
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: of quickness is just elite and then the army. He

520
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: doesn't need much space to get that thing off.

521
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Speaker 2: Oh no, very mahomes like cognitively see get rid of

522
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: it fast. It's very Marino at USC he sees it.

523
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: It's out fast. The other thing is Kyler and Russell

524
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 2: Wilson were all was great sliders because they were baseball players. Yeah,

525
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: they were great. Lamar was terrible his first two years.

526
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Speaker 1: I mean he still kind of plops. He's not natural

527
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Speaker 1: at it.

528
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: He kind of jumps and sits but he can't say.

529
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Speaker 1: But he learned how to avoid the hits. He can

530
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: just get down, that's right.

531
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Speaker 2: So I think some of that is Caleb is it is.

532
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Speaker 2: I mean, Russell Wilson and Kyler were just like, Okay,

533
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: they've slid in a second a lot. This is obviously

534
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: the way they do it. It was terrible his first

535
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: two years. Like, dude, you're six ' five. You can't

536
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 2: go straight on an outside linebacker. I mean he'd goes

537
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: shoulder high and a guy Josh Allen, So I think, yeah, so,

538
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: I mean, and the other thing with Caleb, And by

539
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: the way, this was Jordan Love. Jordan Love had a

540
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: better year the year before he came out, and then

541
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Speaker 2: he lost a coordinator. Remember that he lost the coordinator,

542
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: he lost a coach, he lost people. He was not

543
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: very good as awful. So the Packers went to the

544
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: previous year video and went, yeah, that's that's who he is.

545
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: And so you take the best of what you saw

546
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: because obviously, if you lose a coach at Utah State,

547
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 2: you may get If you have three coordinators at Utah State,

548
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: two may stink, one may be okay. So when he

549
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: had his best coaches, Green Bay looks at that and goes, Okay,

550
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: that's what he can be because our coaches are great offensively.

551
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: So I think with Caleb, you go back a year

552
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: and go when the old line was healthy. He'd come over.

553
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: And Lincoln was not afraid. Remember that year if they

554
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: beat Tulane, they went twelve games. They were really really

555
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: smoking that year. The second year, I think just I mean,

556
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: I was told this, Lincoln just he didn't.

557
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: He didn't.

558
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: It was a different play calling year, a different sensibility

559
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: with Kleb, and it was he just wanted to make

560
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: sure he didn't get hurt.

561
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people in one talking point

562
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: in football always is his arm strength a little overrated?

563
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: And then you watch Caleb play, and you watch Mahomes,

564
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: and you watch Josh Allen or Herbert and you just

565
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: go bs, it's just not now. Greg Maddox is one

566
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: of the greatest pitchers of all time. He did not

567
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: throw that hard, but most of the other greats, Nolan Ryan,

568
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson, Pedro was blowing ninety seven. You kind of

569
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: gotta throw hard. And you know, Perty can get away

570
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: with it a little bit because his offensive scheme is

571
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: so great and he's a good athlete. He can scramble.

572
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: But Peyton Manning's one of the most accurate players in

573
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: the history of the sport. Arm strength match yes, and

574
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: it always has and it always will. And you see

575
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: these plays and you only see it even more once

576
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: the regular season starts. All these former quarterbacks talk about

577
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: the the kind of space in college relative to the NFL,

578
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: of what's open. Things happen quick. A lot of things

579
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: get screwed up, and you got to add lib and

580
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: that even puts more pressure on your arm. It ultimately

581
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: can be the downfall of some of these guys that

582
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: can't scramble and don't have a great arm, like Cousins

583
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: and Golf are good examples. When it's perfect, they can

584
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: destroy you. They can have four or five touchdowns on you.

585
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: But if you can throw them off, they can't move,

586
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: and then they can't throw very hard on the move.

587
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: So it's a major problem. You watch, you watch the

588
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: modern day football the modern day football player who's having

589
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: a lot of success in the NBA. What is it?

590
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: You gotta shoot threes? You better be able to scramble

591
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: and throw ropes because these all these young coaches want

592
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: to get you on the move. And even when they're

593
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: not getting you on the move, because more than likely

594
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna have two or three offensive linemen that they

595
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: would gladly replace if they could, you're gonna be running

596
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: for your life. And a lot of these the good

597
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: ones keep their eyes up, scramble and throw in Caleb.

598
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: It's like geez it was to get up on Saturday

599
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: more and watch in the bill. I mean file score

600
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: was like thirty three to six. The Bills clearly didn't

601
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: even care. But just to watch his physical attribute, You're like, wow,

602
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: this in an NFL you and they were a DJ

603
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: Moore out there. They command, they were trying, you know,

604
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: they wanted to get this yes, confidence, yeah smart.

605
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: So Jaden Daniels is a really interesting player to me.

606
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: He is skinny. It's not quite the Bryce Young where

607
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: he looks like, honestly, the helmet's too big for him.

608
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: It's not that, but he doesn't have the neck, the shoulders,

609
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: he didn't have the width. So I mean that that's

610
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: kind of the reality of it. He looked. I remember

611
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 2: watching him at Arizona State under her metwards and I'm like,

612
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: he may wait won seventy, Like it just didn't look right.

613
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: And then it looks like he's up to whatever it is,

614
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: to something. There's a little lamar, he's real quick. There's

615
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: a little Jordan Love where he lets it fly. I

616
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: said this the other day. What I like about Washington.

617
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: Everybody's new, I mean, owner, GM, coach, coordinator, players. It's

618
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: almost like you're part of a huge recruiting class. Like

619
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 2: the new coach comes in, the new Lincoln Riley comes in.

620
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: It's all his guys, right, but he brings in the transfers,

621
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: the recruiting class, and I feel like with Jayden, you know,

622
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: nobody's got seniority, nobody's you know, there's nobody that's resentful

623
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: of the new guys. That every single person in the

624
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: building is new. That matters. And I think that's important

625
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: for young quarterbacks because I think sometimes what happens is

626
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: a GM inherits a quarterback and is really not rooting

627
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: for him, Sean Payton and Harrets Russell Wilson, you know,

628
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: he's just looking for reasons to move on. So what

629
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: this tells me is John and you know this is

630
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: a scout. Jaden's going to get a full two years

631
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: of snaps. They're not bailing on it. They want this

632
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: to work.

633
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: Everybody in the.

634
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: Building was like, let's get it, dan Quinn, you know

635
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: you only get to miss on one quarterback. Cliff Kingsbury.

636
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: He's trying to rest his right now, his resume. You know,

637
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: people are like a kid coach, He's not hey, he

638
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: wants a second chance at this thing. If Jayden goes

639
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, people are gonna give Kingsbury a

640
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 2: lot of credit, a lot of kudos. So my take

641
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: is on Jaden, it's not one of these where half

642
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: the people in the building they're almost like, you know,

643
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: justin Fields, he kind of felt like half the guys

644
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: in the building just weren't into it. He didn't do

645
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: himself favors. But I think Jaden's gonna get two straight years,

646
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: no judgment. I think it's gonna work. I don't know

647
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: to what I feel like it's gonna work.

648
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: Well. I would say the hype train on this has

649
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: been coming full steam ahead since training camp started. You know,

650
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams the headliner. If this was a concert, it'd

651
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: be like Caleb Williams the headliner, and this is the

652
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: act that comes on before the headliner. But by the

653
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: end of that concert, that person is a star and

654
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a headliner next year. That's how it's felt.

655
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they just joint practice against the Jets, and

656
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner says, I went up to him and told him, Holy,

657
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a player, And defenders don't just say

658
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: that because they're trying to be friendly. Like he's trbably

659
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: getting watching this guy pass. He throws Colin a beautiful

660
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: deepst I mean, remember Russell Wilson early on. It's like

661
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: his deep ball. That's gonna work. You just throw some

662
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: go routes every single you know, couple a quarter or something.

663
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Push the ball down the field. His accuracy hits it,

664
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: and he's a really, really good athlete. My question will

665
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: be one the running around. He's never been a slide guy,

666
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: and he's thin. He will get hit. You've got to

667
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: learn how to do that because he's gonna They're gonna

668
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: run him. He had a touchdown yesterday. He just ran

669
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: him in. Now he walked into the end zone. But

670
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna use these plays like Sean did with bow Nicks. Yes,

671
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna scheme up run plays and then just can

672
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: he just pick you apart against a schemed good defense.

673
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: When you're playing the Cowboys, when you're playing the Eagles,

674
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: when you're playing the Giants, they all have good defensive lineman.

675
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: They're coming at you, and he really you know, in

676
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: college he had Malik Naghbors, who I mean, I think

677
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: could be an NFL star. The other guy was drafting

678
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: the top twenty five. I mean, yeah, so's he's used

679
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: to playing with stars. Terry Mclaurin's good. But this is

680
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: it's not just gonna be easy all the time. So

681
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have some ups and downs. But

682
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: even Zach Kertz said earlier this training camp, stop saying

683
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good player. He's good now this.

684
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't think they're just blowing smoke. I think all

685
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: these people see him. They see he's accurate. The deep

686
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: ball's awesome, and he can move. You're like, there're is

687
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: so much here?

688
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: Well well, and Brian Kelly said this, and this is

689
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: what Cliff Kingsbury has said. He installs something the next

690
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: day nails it. Ye, So you know one of the

691
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: if you look at some of these guys that miss,

692
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: they just don't do the homework. I mean, Johnny Manzel

693
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: admits it. He just didn't do the homework. Like so

694
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: athletic ability, I always believe buys you two years in

695
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: the pocket, where if you're figuring out the defense, you're

696
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: not not up to speed. Everything's too fast. You're gonna run,

697
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna move the chains, you're gonna your feet, are

698
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: gonna get your first downs. You're not gonna be great,

699
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: but it'll buy you stuff. Jared Goff didn't get that

700
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: his first year, right, like you either figure out. You

701
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: either figure out or you're in big trouble. They had

702
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: to get him Andrew Whitworth and say we got to

703
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: build a pocket here. So and the Washington's offensive line

704
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: is not very good. It's not Giants bad, but it's

705
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: not very good. So the truth is he'll he has

706
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: the advantage that for two years he's gonna move around

707
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: a lot and he's gonna buy some first downs. Kyler

708
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: did this. That was a shitty old line he inherited.

709
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: And it's like he kind of figured out how to

710
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: move the chains. Seven eight play drives because nine to

711
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: ten play drives, So I think. And the other thing

712
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: is it does matter to me every time I hear

713
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: him talk totally focused on football. It's like when Dak

714
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: broke into the league. I didn't love the way through.

715
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 2: Every time he talked, he said the right stuff. Every

716
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 2: time they interviewed Jake Jordan loved did this last year

717
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: even when he was struggling. Every time they asked him,

718
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm going to get there.

719
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: This is ugly.

720
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: It's on me. John, I'm judgmental on that stuff. When

721
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: you well, how do you respond to criticism Jordan loved

722
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 2: last year. In September, he was still fantastic with those questions.

723
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: I think is full of those guys right now. I mean,

724
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: look at this class, when you just watch these guys

725
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: conduct themselves, when you feel when you think about the hype,

726
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, for a lot of my life, I felt

727
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: like half a class, you know, with a bunch of

728
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: high bunch of cockey guys, a bunch of guys walking in,

729
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: turning veterans off. It feels like the NFL as a whole.

730
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the top quarterbacks, the way they

731
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: conduct themselves, the way they act, the way they handle

732
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: themselves in press conferences. It's almost like they're numb to

733
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 1: it all. They're completely unfazed. And maybe it gets back

734
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: to how popular college football is now, how they've been

735
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: under the spotlight even as a recruit. But you watch

736
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, Jayden played at LSU. I remember I had

737
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: a buddy that still works in the league. Tell me

738
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: he was He was a GM for a little bit,

739
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: and he said he walked in like on the first

740
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: preseason game, and some of his rookies were like almost

741
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: throwing up, they were so nervous, and he went over

742
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: to one and the guy had played like Auburn or Georgia.

743
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: He's like, for the last three years you have played

744
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: in half your games were infinitely more important and had

745
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: more people watching and had more pressure than this game

746
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: you're about to go play in just relaxed. And I

747
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: think you watch a lot of these guys like, yep,

748
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: I played Auburn Alabama game for three straight years, or

749
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: I played against you know, I played against Ohio State

750
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: every year when twenty five million people were watching, and

751
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: it felt like they were in the big leagues. And

752
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: I wonder if a lot of these guys benefit with

753
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: the college football has always been big, but it really

754
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: felt big, especially from the quarterback standpoint, these last couple

755
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: of years. And these guys are walking in pretty seamlessly.

756
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: You know, well, it's a pretty easy transition so far

757
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: for the crew.

758
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean bow Nicks and Pennix. Those guys

759
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: played all their games were sold out national TV. So

760
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: usually a PAC twelve quarterback comes out. He played in

761
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: some Arizona stadiums, but bow Nicks and Pennix every time

762
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: they met Husky Stadium or Eugene How's national television. Those

763
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: were high stakes, high pressure game. SEC games are all

764
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: bit especially at LSU.

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766
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,240
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767
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,160
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768
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,680
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769
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: throughout the entire season. Subscribe and follow the Three and

770
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,280
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771
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Speaker 1: you listen to your podcast.

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00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: I want to talk about San Francisco, the forty nine Ers.

773
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: So I think I told you. I was told by

774
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: a player I trust two weeks ago I was going

775
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: to be a Niner. He's a I wouldn't say, I

776
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: don't know what the word is. He's young, he's a kid,

777
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: he's emotional, he's a receiver. And so he had told

778
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: a friend of mine, I'm getting this thing done. Then

779
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: something went sideways. He got pissed off, the Niners got

780
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: pissed off at his So my take was my source

781
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: was probably right. I got pissed off, the Niners got upset,

782
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: and it just blew up. Now it appears they've circled back.

783
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: Is that what you're hearing?

784
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: I think the Niners drew a line in the sand,

785
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: said you want to dance, let's dance. They had two

786
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: trades ready to go, with contracts ready for him, and

787
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: he got cold feet slash. I don't want to play there,

788
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: which I guess is his prerogative. But it's like, you

789
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: demand to trade thirty one. Teams can't trade for you.

790
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: We have to get fair value. The Amari Cooper in

791
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: a second round pick. That's a good deal. Amari Cooper's

792
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: pretty productive player. The Niners like, you go to Cleveland.

793
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: They have twenty eight million dollars. And then he says no.

794
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: So to me, it feels like a guy who's gotten

795
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: a little over his skis. He does he really want

796
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: to leave San Francisco. Of course, not because you're a

797
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: star with the Niners. And he's a West Coast guy,

798
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: grew up in Reno when high school in Sack, played

799
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: at Arizona State, has become a well known name. But

800
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: got so emotional by this number. And let's face it,

801
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 1: the Niners drive a hard bargain. They had a number

802
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: and they didn't flinch because also, you're not a free agent.

803
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: We don't have to trade you anywhere. I want to

804
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: go to the Steelers well, yeah, they could get In theory,

805
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: I guess they could give you our their first round pick,

806
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: But what good does that do us Week one against

807
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: the Jets. That's that's that's a player that does not

808
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: exist for another eight months. First round picks or having

809
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: two of them are incredible in February, March, and April.

810
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: They do good teams, no good during the season. That's why,

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00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: ideally you make that trade before the combine. Well guess

812
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: what the Niners probably tried. No one was offering that

813
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: at the time. Why great wide receiver draft? Why am

814
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: I going to trade you my first round pick? When

815
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: I get a wide receiver is going to start at

816
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: a number. Instead of paying a guy twenty eight million,

817
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: I get the ideally or in the perfect world, the

818
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: similar player for four right, just basic economics, And I

819
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: think he overplayed his hand. And the Niners are like, listen,

820
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: we had these deals, they were the ones we'd accept.

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00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: Those are the teams. Everyone knows you're on the block.

822
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: No one else is coling, no one else has the money.

823
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: You want to go to the Steelers, they have nothing

824
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: to give us back. This has to be it takes

825
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: two to tango here. There's two sides, and we don't

826
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: want their draft picks. They're not giving us TJ. Watt,

827
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: so that ain't happening. Here's our number. What are you

828
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: gonna do? Not play? We want to give you a contract.

829
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: No One feels bad for him, and he's emotional. I

830
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: can't imagine being twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, have

831
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: this money, like the number that you think you're His

832
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: value on their team is a lot different than some

833
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: of these guys making twenty nine dollars. They don't play

834
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: like that, and I just think they're kind of at

835
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: a crossroads. But he does. I guess he has the leverage,

836
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: just not practice. He can demand a trade all he wants,

837
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: but if John and Kyle don't want to trade him,

838
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: he's not getting traded. Ideally, I think they want to

839
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: avoid this, right, They don't want this, but they're not

840
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: just gonna give them away because that's the easy thing

841
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: to do. So he's kind of stuck, and it's they're

842
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: pissed off. I know that obviously he's he's well established

843
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: that he's mad. They're mad. And this is kind of

844
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: a joke now because at the end of the day,

845
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: Bosa was gonna kind of get over on him. He

846
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: had all the leverage, he's the best player, he was

847
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: going to get a ton. They go, listen, you're really good,

848
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: but DJ Moore has been a lot better than you.

849
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: For six years playing with Coward and middle Cooff as

850
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: his quarterback, You've had productive quarterbacks and you're never going

851
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: to catch more Navy balls here. So the ROI and

852
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: R investment, if we give you thirty million dollars is

853
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of a doesn't make a lot of sense. And

854
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: that's where I think they're kind of stuck looking at

855
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: each other. I still believe he's going to end up

856
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: on the Niners, but I think he might be a

857
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: first player in NFL history who sounds like a four year,

858
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollar deal and is mad at the

859
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: dais when he gives his press conference, Well get ready

860
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: for that.

861
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: Well there's also a reality that receivers in this league

862
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: not named Jefferson, Chase, Davante Adams. This league is furnished

863
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: about thirty receivers a year out of college, and about

864
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: ten are productive immediately. But every other team, I mean,

865
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: if you go to the last decade, wide receivers are

866
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: walking into this league out of college guys like Puka Nakua,

867
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 2: Tank Dell, mid round guys, and you're like, shit, that

868
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: that guy's a one. That guy's not even a two,

869
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: he's a one. So the reality is the one position

870
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: that is literally expanding, you know, because there's a lot

871
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: of families outside of a Texas that aren't playing as

872
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 2: much football. There's not as many high school football players

873
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: today is ten years ago. There's not Moms are like

874
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: a lot of moms Southern California, LA. Forget it. You're

875
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 2: an outcast if you let your kid by high school football,

876
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: especially if you're west of the four H five Freeway,

877
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: like all the you know, all the high end fallutin

878
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: you know, coastal towns so Malibu, Yeah, Hermosa, Manhattan Beach

879
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: in Brentwood, Plaia. There does not. So my take is,

880
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: but if you start looking at that position, there's few.

881
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: They were good running backs. You get about one good

882
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: left tackle a year, maybe two one star quarterback, maybe

883
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: two serviceable ones. I could argue if I went back

884
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: and looked in the last decade, do we have eight

885
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: receivers a year that come in here and stick. So

886
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: it is hard unless you're like very top of the market,

887
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: and by the way, if you're very top of the market,

888
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: it's also discomforting. These guys now make thirty million dollars.

889
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: Some gms are like, I mean, you better be able

890
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: to do that on the rookie contract. You can't pay

891
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: your quarterback and a receiver thirty large like unless he's

892
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase. So I think it's one of these situations

893
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: where they just if Trent Williams was in year three

894
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: in his career and they had two more years not

895
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: to pay him, I think you could be willing to

896
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: push it. They can't win the Super Bowl in my

897
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: opinion without Trent Williams. That's that's the roadblock here too.

898
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like you hit it on the supply

899
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: and demand. Brandon a Yuk was drafted the end of

900
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: the first round twenty seven. Debo who carried them to

901
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: the NFC Amster three years was a second round pick.

902
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: I watched today. I had the Colts game on in

903
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: the background and the kid from Texas is make him plays.

904
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: He's a second round pick. So, like you said, every

905
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: single year, obviously, first rounders, second, third, and fourth rounders

906
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: are making plays all season long at that position. They

907
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: cost a million dollars. If this was a real estate deal,

908
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: it would have been over weeks ago. The Niners, you

909
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: know this. They want two million. Niners are offering one

910
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: point six. We ain't budget you're not budgeting. We go

911
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: our separate ways. And that's kind of what's happened, except

912
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: he's stuck on their team because he's under contract and

913
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: their trump card is your fifth year options this year,

914
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: and we have two franchise tags. We want to make

915
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: this work, but this is our number. You're not a

916
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: free agent. You are not a free agent, so you

917
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: can sit out to win the season. You're gonna pass

918
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: up fourteen million dollars. That's like he acts, and I

919
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: think his side, they think they got a bunch of leverage.

920
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: There aren't a bunch of teams with a lot to

921
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: give back. There was one, the Browns. The Niners like

922
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: that offer Amari Cooper in the second round pick, and

923
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: then he's like, no, well, you can't ask for a trade.

924
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: This is in the NBA. You're not gonna dictate all

925
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: the terms here. And I think that's what's made him

926
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: mad and the forty Niners mat because he won't play

927
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: ball like we're offering you a ton of money. You're

928
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: immediately gonna be the highest paid player on a highly

929
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: paid team. So yeah, DJ Morris, these guys make more,

930
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: They do more for their team in terms of production.

931
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: That's never gonna Kyle Shanahan's not gonna start playing like

932
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, right, That's not how they're gonna play. They're

933
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: gonna run the ball. I think in a perfect world,

934
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: party has like twenty six past attempts a game. That's

935
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: what they're shooting for. They're not trying to play like

936
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: forty three times. He's like, well, I could be a

937
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: star receiver. Well, on this team, you're willing to pay you,

938
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: and you're gonna thrive and you can make a ton

939
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: off This is the forty nine Ers are top two

940
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: or three brand in the league. He makes a ton

941
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: off the field.

942
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: I do wonder because of the first round receiver the

943
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: Niners picked, if they do sign Iuk, who is a

944
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: deep threat, That's not what Deebo does.

945
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: He's yack.

946
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: He's yards after the catch, which Kittle is. I do

947
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: wonder when they drafted two receivers. Both can play the slot.

948
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: They're both hurt especially the problem there all the time them.

949
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: I can see this team moving off some of their

950
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: guys like a Ligne, not Warner, but Greenlaw. I think

951
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: they're getting to a point with Kittle. You know, Travis Kelcey.

952
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: Before the playoffs, we were like, I don't know, ten surgeries,

953
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. Then he was great in the playoffs.

954
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: But I do think Kittle, they're going to have to

955
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: move off some contracts here. And I kind of look

956
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: at the Kittle thing. I look at the debo thing,

957
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: because there's they're guys that play, and I love both,

958
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: and they feel like they're DNA that they're they're really

959
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: they feel like the Niners. But if you pay Ayuk,

960
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: it does change things because he's a legitimate deep threat,

961
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: and I think it changes the personality of your team

962
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 2: a little bit. If you're paying him twenty five John,

963
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm throwing the ball to him.

964
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: Part of why I think the Amari Cooper won. I

965
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 1: think they thought it could be a plug and play

966
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: transition between the two players. His contracts also up at

967
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: the end of this season, so they get to reset

968
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: that number. It just disappears on them, So they like

969
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: the economic flexibility of that when because it's not just

970
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: we talked about the year average. You put seventy eighty

971
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: guaranteed to this guy. You are in bed with him

972
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: now for the next three or four years, on top

973
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: of haying party, on top of having to figure out

974
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: your left tackle situation. Trent's getting older. If George were

975
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: to fall off a cliff, you need a tight end.

976
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: He's very important in this offense. Fred's got a lot

977
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: of wear and tear. Greenlaw has a torn achilles. You

978
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: just got big picture question marks. And when you go

979
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: all in on a player, you go, is he a

980
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: top eight wide receiver in the league. Well, if you

981
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: even have to question that, should you be breaking them

982
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: off a massive contract. The problem is they would trade him,

983
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: but all these teams don't want to trade for him

984
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: because they don't want to meet his demands either. So

985
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: that's where they're kind of stuck in this weird spot.

986
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: And let's face a colin, I would say they have

987
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: do they have the most drama going on? I mean

988
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: they got this IUX situation that is not figured out.

989
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: Trent Williams a holdout they have. They just had to

990
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: cancel their their joint practices they were supposed to with

991
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: the Saints because they have to called Dennis Allen's like,

992
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: we got too many injuries. It's then God is August eleventh.

993
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: But they got a lot going on.

994
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: No, And I said this at the end of the season.

995
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: I said, I think they've peaked. That doesn't That's not

996
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: bad because their peak is Super Bowl. But I do

997
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: feel like the Lions are a younger version of the Niners,

998
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: where they've got like six guys, you know, pene Sewel,

999
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: amar On, Saint Bount, Gibbs, Goff, Hutchison, the center, the

1000
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 2: tight end. I kind of feel like when I'm watching

1001
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: the Lions, they're the Niners four years ago and in

1002
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: Detroit's gonna have this four year run and they're not

1003
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: you know, they're not paying all of their guys yet.

1004
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: But the Lions, like the Niners are, are really physical.

1005
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: It's the Dan Campbell thing. It's a different physical, different style,

1006
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: but it's like they're gonna punish you.

1007
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: So I kind of.

1008
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: Feel like what we've seen of the Niners is you're

1009
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 2: gonna start seeing guys breakdown. And I really do believe

1010
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: Philly and Detroit, but mostly Detroit feels like the next

1011
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 2: Niners with better quarterback play or at least more talented quarterback.

1012
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: I think where the Niners would push back go we

1013
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: got a better coach than them all, and we know

1014
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: how important trait is in the NFL, and that does

1015
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: their coaches like McVeigh liking. I mean, they got an

1016
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: elite coach. So when you have that, you can overcome

1017
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: an injury here and there that other teams when they

1018
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: got more of the raw ross CEO head coached. They

1019
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: asked Kyle yesterday. One of Kubiak's kids is on his staff.

1020
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: He let him call place and Kyle said it was

1021
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: the most bored he'd ever been in the game. I

1022
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: didn't even know what's new with my hands. I started

1023
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: thinking a lot. It's one like obviously John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh,

1024
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: Belichick for a long time have mastered the CEO approach.

1025
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: But some of these coaches that are being they're not

1026
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: doing that much more than mir or you on the

1027
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: couch or a fan. I mean, seriously, like Kyle said,

1028
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: I called a couple of times out, I wasn't doing anything.

1029
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing anything. And that's the thing with Philly,

1030
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: right that article that came out last week. You just

1031
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: wonder they have so much talent, can they get by.

1032
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: I think their coordinators are good, but if things get weird,

1033
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: if you question, people are always going to disagree with

1034
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: a boss, with a coach. We're humans. When I question

1035
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: or I lose respect for you because I don't think

1036
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: you have the knowledge. I don't know if you ever

1037
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: come back from that. In a professional setting, if there's

1038
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: a superior and I think this guy is incapable of

1039
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: either helping me out or knowing what he's doing, that

1040
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: doesn't change because it's not a twelve year old. You

1041
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: don't all of a sudden gain that ability at forty

1042
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: eight or fifty four like you kind of have to

1043
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: have it. That's why you're in that position. And when

1044
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: people under you, especially in highly competitive areas like Wall

1045
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: Street or what we do, or definitely football. If Jalen

1046
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: Hurts questions his football acumen, can you imagine a quarterback

1047
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: for the top coaches questioning like I don't think Andy

1048
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: knows this coverage at all, or someone with Belichick. That's

1049
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: that'd be unheard of, And that's maybe they can overcome

1050
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: just because they have so much talent. But that's something

1051
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: to keep in the back pocket if things go south

1052
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: or they had a little adversity that'll that'll come back

1053
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: to roost, won't it. Well.

1054
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: Go to his opening press conference, he was literally he

1055
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: was word salid. He was terrified.

1056
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: It was Tom sue two point zero.

1057
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like Jim Tom Suell. It's the worst

1058
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: press conference I've ever seen. Nick siri on his second

1059
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 2: and I defended Dan Campbell's I said Dan was over

1060
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: the top, but he had a plan and he's delivered

1061
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: on the plan. They bite knee caps. I mean, remember

1062
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: the first two years when they weren't winning, John, they

1063
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: weren't winning. I mean, their defense was the worst in

1064
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: the league. They played so effing hard. They played a

1065
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 2: game against Baltimore. I remember one watching and thinking, I

1066
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: don't have four guys that start for the Ravens, and

1067
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 2: they were just back and forth. So you can say

1068
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: what you'll know at Campbell and I was like, this

1069
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: is cheesy. But they are exactly what he promised they

1070
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: would be at the podium opening presser, like he said,

1071
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: We're going to be relentless. That's exactly what they are.

1072
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: Even with Golf who's a finesse player, they're pretty relentless team.

1073
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: Siriani was just lost. Tom Sula was embarrassing. And at

1074
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: the end, now I have a story that comes out

1075
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: multiple sources from somebody I respect at ESPN says, yeah,

1076
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: they don't really respect him. I'm with you on that.

1077
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been very lucky in my life. I've

1078
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: had good bosses. I've had one that you know, we

1079
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: had a nickname for him. He just didn't know what

1080
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 2: he was doing. And though I liked him, I never

1081
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 2: looked at him the same way. I just if he

1082
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 2: came down the hall, good guy, let's get a coffee.

1083
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: Wasn't somebody I respected? So to your point, and remember,

1084
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts has had Nick Saban and Lincoln Riley, So

1085
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: those those are the voices he has heard in his life.

1086
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: And I don't know it was Sark the offensive coordinator

1087
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: when he was at Alabama. I forget who it was,

1088
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: but it was somebody like kippin her Sark. Wasn't that somebody?

1089
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: It would have been one of the two. They definitely overlapt.

1090
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so you're talking about high and luxury offensive coordinator.

1091
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: Talk ran da Ball was there one year, two okay, okay,

1092
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: so now now three of them now okay, So you're

1093
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: let's just say we go.

1094
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: You know, Sarker, Dable, Lincoln, Shane Steichen. Now he's got

1095
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: none of them, and it's Nick Sirianni. So who's he

1096
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: competing with? Again, It'd be one thing if he had

1097
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: bad coordinators. Nick Sirianni would feel like a football coach.

1098
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, Shane Steichen. And now it's Sirianni's voice. So

1099
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: I think Jalen may be going you start looking around

1100
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: in your life, my life, you have one or two

1101
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: great bosses, you know, you spot the guys that aren't

1102
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 2: great real quick.

1103
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean when I worked in radio, Jason Barrett,

1104
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: who you've known for a long time, he left and

1105
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: we hired a new guy and he was just a

1106
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: complete buffoon and it was a disaster and the place

1107
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: almost went under. But when you don't respect someone who

1108
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: you have to listen to, and it's no different as

1109
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: a player, like a lot of people listening that they

1110
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: have a boss when you were you're going to disagree.

1111
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: That's healthy. There's no growth at a little confrontation. But

1112
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: when I think you know nothing or at the level

1113
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: in which I'm accustomed to, it's hard to function. So

1114
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: when that part of that article that he called wink Martindale,

1115
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it. And my first thought

1116
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: was like, God, it's kind of a go getter, and

1117
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: then you started thinking about I think he just lost.

1118
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: He's like, who do I even talk to? Right? I

1119
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: just need to talk to someone who might give me

1120
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: some decent advice here of some schematic help. And that's

1121
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: what I wonder with Siriani. And listen, the Eagles do

1122
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: a couple of things really well. One they just acquire

1123
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: good players, and two, their owner will spend a lot.

1124
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: Their two coordinators are making and combined, I've heard a

1125
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: lot of money. I mean, Vic Fangil might be the

1126
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: highest Bay defensive coordinator in the league, and Kellen Moore's

1127
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: numbers closer to five million than it is one. So

1128
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: they're paying their two They're paying their two coordinators a

1129
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: lot of coin. But those guys they're gonna run it right,

1130
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 1: Sire Howani even in that article is like, get away

1131
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: from Kellen and the quarterbacks. Well, he's an offensive guy.

1132
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: How many offensive coaches? That's why I have so much

1133
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: respect for Lafloor. What he did with Rogers was impressive,

1134
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: but it was easy to go with Rogers great players,

1135
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: and what he did with Jordan love Is makes you

1136
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get contract extensions for a long time. Right.

1137
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: Mcveigh's worked with several quarterbacks. Kyle's worked with a ton

1138
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, and he can coach any quarterback. I'm watching

1139
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: this guy. I thought he's an offensive guy, but the

1140
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't even like him. And by all accounts he

1141
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: can be clearly Jalen's a little weird, little quirky, but

1142
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: he's clearly like a good guy and wants to pluy

1143
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: and like is an all about football guy, and he

1144
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: thinks your weakness is I would say the most thing

1145
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: for a coach schematics. In the NFL, we're college recruiting.

1146
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: The Jimmy's and the Joe's scheme matters. But if I

1147
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: have the more talent, like I'm just gonna boat race

1148
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the teams, I'm gonna play football Monday

1149
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: through Saturday. In the NFL is a thinking man sport.

1150
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: It's about trying to outthink, outplay out chest maneuver you.

1151
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: It's why Urban Meyer, who's used to recruiting and everything,

1152
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: got to it was just it wasn't this thing. Jim

1153
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: Harbaugh would be the first to tell you, like, I'm

1154
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: very dependent on great I can do the leadership, I

1155
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: can do the toughness, but scheme's not his thing, but

1156
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: he hires great coaches because scheme in the NFL, it's

1157
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: it's just working fifteen eighteen hours a day Monday through Saturday,

1158
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: getting ready for Sunday. And I don't know what Siriani doing. Honestly,

1159
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, like tangibly, like you see

1160
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, you see what he's doing. You feel his team,

1161
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh his whole career, you feel it, even if

1162
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: he's not calling on inside the ball. But now I

1163
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: question his is, like I what's going on here? They

1164
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: were kind of stuck because it was because people go

1165
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: back to two years ago, could you fire him for

1166
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: Shane Stike? And that would have been a pretty unprecedented move,

1167
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: right going to the Super Bowl firing the coach for

1168
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: the other guy. Clearly today they wish they could have,

1169
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: but that it would have been difficult. And then last

1170
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: year they were definitely sniffing around, but they were kind

1171
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: of stuck. And this goes back to Luckily their owner's

1172
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: got a lot of money and willing to pay a

1173
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: lot for coordinators.

1174
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: Listen, Tom Tellskill told me when Shane Steichen was in

1175
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: the building with the Chargers and Anthony Lynn was struggling,

1176
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: like I asked him and he said, Amen, that guy's

1177
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: a rock star. But you, to your point, Anthony Lynn was.

1178
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: A nice guy.

1179
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 2: You got to give him a shot, Stike and gets

1180
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: an upgrade. What you propose, I think happens a lot

1181
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: where you bring in a coordinator, you don't really love

1182
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: the coach, but you're not ready to dump him, and

1183
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: you sit there for a year and the GM and

1184
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: the owner. The GM is telling the owner the smarter

1185
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: coach is the coordinator, but get rid of this guy yet.

1186
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 2: So I think what you're proposing, I think those conversations

1187
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: happen once a year somewhere in this league.

1188
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: Well, don't don't mean this guy earned a little street

1189
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: cred last year because he's taken a lot of shit,

1190
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: rightfully so. But Mike McCarthy goes all take over the

1191
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: play calling and obviously didn't. The season didn't end well,

1192
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: but there's no disputing that the season went really well

1193
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: as an offensive play caller, and clearly McCarthy's winning a

1194
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: bunch of games, Like, I don't know how this season

1195
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: is gonna go. You would probably lean, if you're a

1196
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: betting man, Mike McCarthy will not be the coach after

1197
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: the season just because are they going to make the

1198
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. But he's kind of proven that he's

1199
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: more than capable as an offensive play caller. Yeah, leader,

1200
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: like he's he's a real NFL coach.

1201
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, let's let's be honest. Cooper Rush went

1202
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: like five and one, he's won.

1203
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: It looked pretty good today.

1204
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so uh Trey Lance for I mean

1205
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: Trey Lance and San Francisco didn't work.

1206
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: He's okay, you know little I'm not putting that one

1207
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: on Mike. Yeah yeah.

1208
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: But I mean in the end, you can go look

1209
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: at virtually every quarter that has played with Mike McCarthy

1210
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: in his career, starters or backups. You know, Dalton was washed,

1211
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: but I would side to that. Everybody is. I always

1212
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: look at this. Everybody kind of played there, Shane Steichen.

1213
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: Every quarterbacks played their best. Well, the same thing for

1214
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy. He got you know that he had, didn't

1215
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: he get thirteen and three out of five one of

1216
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: those years was seven year as a coach.

1217
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: So my thing, my thing is if this let's say

1218
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: they go nine to eight and they're the seventeen and

1219
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: they lose a while, whatever, is he not worth getting

1220
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: a job somewhere else if he is fired? I mean,

1221
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: look at half these coaches in the league, like I

1222
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: actually think Mike McCarthy has more than rebuilt his equity

1223
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: in his name and honestly had pretty impressive little run

1224
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: here in Dallas. Well.

1225
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 2: Also the advantage McCarthy has, let's say he wins ten

1226
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: to eleven, it certainly feaes them. I think they're a

1227
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: ten win team, matter twelve team. He walks out of there,

1228
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: he can say in closed doors, Jesus, it's a shit

1229
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: show with the owner, and Dak is what he is.

1230
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: And I'm winning twelve games. Okay, you may not be

1231
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: the coach on the market, you're one of seven. And

1232
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: again McCarthy is marccarthy's classic. And you see this all

1233
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 2: the time. We're somebody successful has a ring. It can

1234
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: be in anything, but I mean, you know, Frank Vogel

1235
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: has a ring. No, it's it is what he took

1236
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: an Indiana team with Roy Hibbert, who I love by

1237
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: the way. Personally that team didn't have any offense is

1238
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: Paul George, Roy Hibbert and guys George Hill. I think

1239
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 2: it played on that team and they gave the heatles

1240
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: every year. Problems those series were. I mean, Lebron struggled

1241
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: put Hibbert by the ten. Frank Vogel goes to Los Angeles.

1242
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: I just saw Frank at dinner the other night in town.

1243
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: Frank Vogels won a lot of basketball games in this league,

1244
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: but it's the NBA. They all get fired if they're

1245
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: not called Steve Kerr, s Poulter or Greg Popovich. So

1246
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: I think McCarthy's one of those guys where you know

1247
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: he can coach he needs. There's certain things he does

1248
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: very very well. He comes across, you know a little

1249
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: bit like you know, he looks outdated. He talks like

1250
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: he's outdated. I mean he does. But to his credit,

1251
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: he is on the right side of the ball, and

1252
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: he wins about eleven games a year in his career.

1253
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: So say all plays and work with a quarterback and

1254
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 1: he can lead. I mean, I think he's bringing a

1255
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: lot to the table.

1256
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: So do I Again, he may not be If he

1257
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: may not be the like hardball. This year was the

1258
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: top choice. He'll probably never be the top choice. But

1259
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 2: if he's my number three pitcher, you can do worse

1260
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: than Mike McCarthy.

1261
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: Well, if you flip flop coaches. If I told you

1262
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: Sirianni was the head coach of the Cowboys and McCarthy

1263
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 1: was the head coach of the Eagles, every single human

1264
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: alive would pick the Eagles to win the division and

1265
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: no one alive would pick the Cowboys and make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Great point.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point, and we'll end it there. John Middlecuff,

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Speaker 2: former NFL Scout three and out boy, this this felt

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Speaker 2: like last season.

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Speaker 1: That was fun.

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Speaker 2: That frickin flew What do we do? We did over

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Speaker 2: an hour?

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Speaker 1: That flew baby back. Good see anybody you two calling,

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Speaker 1: have good week.

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Speaker 2: The volume. Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed

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