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Speaker 1: talking about various times throughout the show, if you're really
Speaker 1: going to evaluate the news of the day, the Colin
Speaker 1: trial doesn't even finish in the top three, behind North
Speaker 1: Korea nukes and India Pakistan. I would agree, and Mike Lyons,
Speaker 1: longtime CBS News military analysts, joins us now to talk
Speaker 1: about those two nuclear situations. Mike, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Why don't we begin with the I almost
Speaker 1: said tensions. They're shooting at each other, the violence between
Speaker 1: in Indian Pakistan and what it all means. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of back to the future. This is a country
Speaker 1: that they fight over, this region called Kashmir to the
Speaker 1: north of India, to the east of Pakistan, and since
Speaker 1: uh India had its independence it's ninety seven, as well
Speaker 1: as when Pakistan was established, it's been an area that
Speaker 1: both countries have tried to take late claim over and
Speaker 1: there've been three or four skirmishers there before. Each time, though,
Speaker 1: Pakistan comes out on the losing side, and in some
Speaker 1: cases there are you know, clearly the loser, and so
Speaker 1: they lose the nationalists like pride over that and then
Speaker 1: in this case, now that's why with Pakistan shooting down
Speaker 1: Indian aircraft and capturing an Indian pilot, it's like they
Speaker 1: did um. They appear to be now, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to up their game right now, and it's down to
Speaker 1: these two leaders as to whether or not where the
Speaker 1: situation goes from here. Yeah, I was. I somehow I
Speaker 1: got sucked into a Twitter feed. I just started following
Speaker 1: different people and it was it was people who live
Speaker 1: in Indian Pakistan but tweeting English. I guessed, and man,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just regular people that were really
Speaker 1: proud of their country and wanted to go to battle.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how many people feel
Speaker 1: that way, but it was it was a little it
Speaker 1: was a little troubling. Yeah, exactly. And that's because again,
Speaker 1: I guess the last one nine significant conflict, the Pakistani's
Speaker 1: loss about four thousand, five thousand soldiers and the border
Speaker 1: skirmers that took place there go back to seventy one.
Speaker 1: Another one took place over a few days um and
Speaker 1: again in each In each case um, Pakistan was lost
Speaker 1: in some cases ground. In nineteen seventy one, there was
Speaker 1: that war with Bangladesh. So that's on the eastern part
Speaker 1: of India. When they when they divided up the countries
Speaker 1: and after the Second World War, they left a part
Speaker 1: of Pakistan that was basically through India to the to
Speaker 1: the right, let's say, to the east of India called
Speaker 1: East Pakistan. That's not called Bangladesh. There's Harrison had a
Speaker 1: concert for the Starvation of the Children back in the
Speaker 1: seventies about it. Anyway, that civil war took place, it
Speaker 1: didn't make a lot of sense to have East Pakistan
Speaker 1: with India right in the middle of it. They won
Speaker 1: their independence and that and and again in each time
Speaker 1: the Pakistan military software defeat. I was heartened to see
Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister of Pakistan, who's a TV celebrity,
Speaker 1: how odd is that in a former athlete, um that
Speaker 1: he returned the Indian pilot to India or or said
Speaker 1: he was going to That obviously is a guy saying
Speaker 1: let's not get crazy here, right. I think in both
Speaker 1: cases both Um, you've got the the Indian Prime minister
Speaker 1: as well Modi. They're populoust people. They're both coming up
Speaker 1: for election. Uh. I don't want to say they're you know,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump like, but they're They're not necessarily these career politicians.
Speaker 1: They're new in the space here. They they you know,
Speaker 1: have tapped the will the people, so to speak. And
Speaker 1: in both cases, if hubrisk gets out in front, both
Speaker 1: sides now have nuclear capability that clearly could destroy you know,
Speaker 1: each other within us the time of flight, given the
Speaker 1: fact they have weapons. In India is a little more
Speaker 1: complex nuclear program. They literally have a triad. They can
Speaker 1: deliver nukes from air land and see Pakistan pretty much air,
Speaker 1: some intermediate missiles mostly artillery based, nothing from the sea.
Speaker 1: But again the bottom line is, because they're neighboring at
Speaker 1: each other, you'd have clearly mutually short destruction. Something started.
Speaker 1: But your guess is cooling down rather than ramping up
Speaker 1: right and like anything else, You've got to find a
Speaker 1: way that both sides can save face in order for
Speaker 1: that to happen. Uh, maybe just the fact that the
Speaker 1: Pakistanis were able to shoot down the two Indian aircraft
Speaker 1: and the fact that they capture them, and maybe that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the win that they're gonna take again,
Speaker 1: they haven't had one in about twenty years, and maybe
Speaker 1: that that will be good enough for them, and the
Speaker 1: Indians will take forth the fact that you know that,
Speaker 1: the fact they didn't start a nuclear war with their
Speaker 1: neighbor over a reason that they've been fighting over for
Speaker 1: the last seventy eight years. Hey, just for fun, And
Speaker 1: that's not the right term at all. If if Indian
Speaker 1: Pakistan did get into a war, would we stay out
Speaker 1: of it? Take a side? How would that turn out?
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, we'd have to stay are clear out
Speaker 1: of it. I mean it's it's nothing we could do
Speaker 1: on any level. I don't know. I mean, we've got
Speaker 1: no kind of treaties with either side. We'd would be
Speaker 1: in the sidelines watching them destroy each other. I was
Speaker 1: just gonna put it. We're kind of wearing the striped
Speaker 1: shirt at this point, right, We're not teasing sides were saying, hey,
Speaker 1: everybody cool, right, and you see the beer from the
Speaker 1: bleachers being thrown right now. The fact that there's no
Speaker 1: US leadership in the world and that's why this is happening,
Speaker 1: that that's just nonsense. I mean that these are countries
Speaker 1: that have got to get along. They've got they've got
Speaker 1: a border, they gotta figure out what I'm gonna put up,
Speaker 1: you know, and they've got walls between these two countries.
Speaker 1: I guarantee it. Um. So that's not about US leadership
Speaker 1: about yeah, I don't I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 1: want to get off on a tangent and take up
Speaker 1: your time. But but the idea that a lot of
Speaker 1: people have, especially a lot of intellectuals have, that even
Speaker 1: two countries that don't get along, it's our fault. It's
Speaker 1: just crazy. Yeah, no kidding, that's I've missed that somehow.
Speaker 1: I've been kind of busy less day. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: glad I missed it. Mike Lions, CBS News military analyst
Speaker 1: is on the line. All right, Mike, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and talk about the non deal in North Korea. What's
Speaker 1: your take on the sum of itself and and both
Speaker 1: parties walking away, Yeah, all good. Unfortunately, what they had
Speaker 1: agreed on prior to this meeting looks like that that
Speaker 1: didn't even happen at the summit. Even if they got
Speaker 1: a um end of the Korean conflict, that would have
Speaker 1: been at least moving the process forward. I think it's
Speaker 1: not failure, but we've got to get some result at
Speaker 1: this point. I think the president is going to need
Speaker 1: some results if he thinks that North Korea is gonna
Speaker 1: change their behavior anyway. UM. But I'd rather have him
Speaker 1: to do what he did, walk away and not release
Speaker 1: sanctions or or do something else because, in some ways,
Speaker 1: based on my observation of the media right now, Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: it's lose lou of anything he does. If he caved
Speaker 1: on I think he caved. If he you know, he
Speaker 1: walks away, he's getting slammed for that. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just mind boggling. I'm relieved they's walked away, and at
Speaker 1: this point now we know a little bit more. I thought, again,
Speaker 1: we get the end of the Korean War, we get
Speaker 1: the demilitaration that they're parallel, that would have been a
Speaker 1: good win. We also consider South Korea, though here they
Speaker 1: want something to happen as well. It's not just the
Speaker 1: United States. Do you think it's significant that tensions have
Speaker 1: been ratcheted down on the peninsula or is that just
Speaker 1: kind of a cycle that we go through And it's
Speaker 1: not that good as sign. You mean, they're they're not
Speaker 1: firing off missiles and testing balls, right, there's no military exercise. Well,
Speaker 1: just you know, I think it's widely agreed the tensions
Speaker 1: are down. There's a lot more friendly noises being made,
Speaker 1: no no scary military exercises and tests. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with that. And and Trump thought his personality was gonna
Speaker 1: win the day over and it it just didn't in
Speaker 1: this case. And you know, it is it is what
Speaker 1: is why he walks away from it. But you're right
Speaker 1: that South Korea wants those tensions to be ratcheted down.
Speaker 1: The South Korean leaders in particular, and um, they want
Speaker 1: to open up the boarder. They want to do more
Speaker 1: things and eventually, you know, maybe by things will be
Speaker 1: overcome by events and eventually they'll get to a place
Speaker 1: where there's more security. In the past, Um, they would
Speaker 1: ratch it back up the military exercise, if they would
Speaker 1: wratch it back up a lot of the missile testing
Speaker 1: you know, you notice the president left still and I've
Speaker 1: I've been okay with Trump's, uh, the way he's gone
Speaker 1: about this, And you know, the diplomacy crowd says, no,
Speaker 1: you've got to have all the groundwork laid long before
Speaker 1: they get there. And all they do is shake hands
Speaker 1: inside something. You know, he just shows up and they talk.
Speaker 1: But you can't. You can't show up to another one,
Speaker 1: can you, unless you know something's gonna happen. But it's
Speaker 1: okay to walk away this one and say, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. You've it fly clear across the country,
Speaker 1: show up again, and then walk away with nothing that
Speaker 1: would actually look bad. Yeah, running out of magic wands
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, being able to reuse that
Speaker 1: scenario over and over. And that's why I thought they
Speaker 1: would lead get that end of the Korean conflict out there,
Speaker 1: but they weren't able to get that. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: he wanted something. He want of those sanctions relief. He
Speaker 1: you know, he wants the complete turnaround of what we
Speaker 1: would do without any verification. I just don't think that's
Speaker 1: gonna work. I or I would also like to see
Speaker 1: in suspectors in the country that sells me. It's another
Speaker 1: thing he's thought. He's allowed the country to be opened up.
Speaker 1: People are looking inside there that would be another good
Speaker 1: stuff forward. Well, I agree with Jack. I think that
Speaker 1: the Trump approach has been really interesting and unconventional. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but nothing else has work, So I say, why not
Speaker 1: give it a give it a go. But and someday maybe, uh, Mike,
Speaker 1: I'll buy a beverage of your choice and we can
Speaker 1: sit around and chat about one of my favorite topics
Speaker 1: in in you know, political science and reality, and that's
Speaker 1: totalitarian regimes trying to or wanting to liberalize, and how
Speaker 1: difficult and dangerous it is for them. And and little
Speaker 1: fat head knows that he knows every bit of opening
Speaker 1: that juices up the economy, which is the care at
Speaker 1: the president's danglin in front of him, also holds terrible
Speaker 1: danger for his regime. Right, it's fundamentally lighting up to use,
Speaker 1: and it's going to have an explosion. On whether he
Speaker 1: can control that explosion remains to be seen. And you know,
Speaker 1: again it's it's clearly a timber box in North Korea.
Speaker 1: What he can control, He's still concerned about his own safety. Look,
Speaker 1: how we have to travel to Vietnam in order to
Speaker 1: do the summit from the very beginning, and so he
Speaker 1: knows that once that train leaves the station, Uh, there's
Speaker 1: just no stopping at that point. I'm sorry. The metaphorical trainer,
Speaker 1: the actual one he can ride at get the one
Speaker 1: he rides on through China. Actually, what's that train leaves
Speaker 1: any right? Never? He might never return, who knows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike Clients, CBS News Military Analysts, Mikey, it's always enlightening.
Speaker 1: Thanks very much. We look forward to hearing about your
Speaker 1: next project or whatever you have cooking. Yeah, thanks, I
Speaker 1: got I got the cast of Mr Robot here. If you,
Speaker 1: if your fans, if you, if your listeners watch Mr Robot,
Speaker 1: watch films. Just they just they just wrapped up filming. Uh,
Speaker 1: the first few episodes of the season four of Mr.
Speaker 1: Robot in my House. Literally, No, Kenny is so into
Speaker 1: that show. Yeah cool? Why your house? Well, they picked it.
Speaker 1: They did a kind of a routine screen that came by,
Speaker 1: and uh so if you watch the show, my home
Speaker 1: is going to be the childhood home of Agent d Phrow.
Speaker 1: She used the FBI agent that the Dark Army has
Speaker 1: now come over. How cool, I'm not sure I can
Speaker 1: remember that sentence, but I will do. Your kids think
Speaker 1: this is the coolest thing ever. Yeah, they're not at home,
Speaker 1: thank god. But because it's it's kind of like having
Speaker 1: a frat party in your house three days in a row.
Speaker 1: You're you know, dragging people out at four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, but literally show back up at six am
Speaker 1: and the party starts again. So we're in a massive
Speaker 1: cleanup effort right now for the next five days around here.
Speaker 1: So all right, Well, did you have to sign any
Speaker 1: non disclosure things about who was and wasn't in the
Speaker 1: scenes that were being filmed there as you? Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: I could, I couldn't go a lot on social media,
Speaker 1: couldn't take pictures of the actress. And I said, I
Speaker 1: don't really know a lot about the plot and everything.
Speaker 1: I could tell you a few two different things. That's
Speaker 1: but how it extended. But it's, uh, it was pretty
Speaker 1: cool for sure. Well, something we'll have to talk about that.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. I'm so glad you mentioned that. My clients, Mike,
Speaker 1: thanks million, it's always great. Thanks you gat me. Thanks,
Speaker 1: nobody's feeling anything in my house and listens for some
Speaker 1: Learning Channel show that's kind of horrific. Oh oh, my
Speaker 1: friend's kitchen was featured in a major motion picture recently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do you get signed up for that? Hey? Parents,
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