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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, We're going to run four classic fan favorite

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Speaker 2: episodes voted on by you the rude dudes of Ridiculous Crime,

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Speaker 2: something for y'all while Elizabeth and I are out on assignment.

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Speaker 2: It's a little complicated to explain, but let's just say

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Speaker 2: our first task is getting one of the interns out

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Speaker 2: of jail and Helsinki. Did you know that money laundering

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Speaker 2: is frowned upon in Finland? Well it is. Let's kick

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Speaker 2: it off with episode three, which originally aired on the

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Speaker 2: monumental date of February twenty second, twenty twenty two. Two

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Speaker 2: to two two two. It's a wild one. We've got

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Speaker 2: Avaloni divers, pine cones, dimes, and fried chicken. Oh in,

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Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra and his kid, Frank Sinatra Junior. This is

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Speaker 2: Strangers in the Night the extraordinary kidnapping of Frank Sinatra

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Speaker 2: junkinjer Yo. Elizabeth, he is you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the band named Cherry Pop and Daddies. Straight

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Speaker 3: up ridiculous. Come at me, Cherry Pop and Daddies. Are

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Speaker 3: they embarrassed about that? Now?

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Speaker 2: I hope they are?

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Speaker 3: Well? Are they playing county fairs.

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Speaker 2: I think they are.

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Speaker 3: I hope they're doing something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: God speed, Cherry Pop and Daddies.

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Speaker 2: I stop getting the newsletter.

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Speaker 3: You're lost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still got all the stickers on my car. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's a good one. That is that is very ridiculous. Now,

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Speaker 2: how about another ridiculous one. A dude who's down on

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Speaker 2: his luck, feeling a little stuck, and he needs to

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Speaker 2: make a quick score of big cash. The best idea

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Speaker 2: he can come up with is to kidnap a famous

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Speaker 2: person's child and hold that kid for ransom. Oh, the

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Speaker 2: famous person who's kid he decides to grab is Frank Sinatra.

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Speaker 2: You're like, wait, what, why would you possibly? There's so

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Speaker 2: many other celebrities of kids to take. Bro that is

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Speaker 2: like probably the worst.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity bad life choice.

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Speaker 2: You know, his friends are like mob bosses like brot bit. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: So as dumb as this plan sounds, things go even

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Speaker 2: wilder than you might imagine. This is a strange cast

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Speaker 2: of characters. We've got Sam Giancana, mob boss. We got

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Speaker 2: Jan and Dean. Yeah, and uh, this one will surprise you.

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Speaker 2: So you're ready to hear about the dumb lucky kidnapping

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Speaker 2: of Frank Sinatra Junior.

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Speaker 3: Bring it on.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous

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Speaker 2: kpers heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder

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Speaker 2: free and one hundred percent ridiculous. Okay, it's the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's the start of the nineteen sixties, and

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Speaker 2: the coolest men in the world are the rat Pack.

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Speaker 2: You know where the rat Pack are, right?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Who are they?

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Speaker 1: Me?

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Speaker 3: You and your dog out, producer Dave.

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Speaker 2: And also Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Junior.

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Speaker 2: We're a swell group, right, So they were in nineteen

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Speaker 2: sixty like the Kreme de la Creme, the coolest people.

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Speaker 2: They're movie stars. They are singing all around the world.

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Speaker 2: They are carousing all the time in Vegas. They're living

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Speaker 2: the time when America is at it's peak prosperity. So

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Speaker 3: It the rat pack top of the heap.

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Speaker 2: I'm kidding. So their lifestyle gets turned into a film,

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Speaker 2: You know, it is like pretty much, you know, Steven

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Speaker 3: Good for him, but the elixir of it.

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Speaker 2: So keep in mind that's the person that this guy

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Speaker 2: decides to kidnap his son. Now, what's meet our kidnapper? Yes,

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Speaker 2: twenty three year old Barry Keenan is a California kid.

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Speaker 2: And Harriet very much like you know La during the

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Speaker 2: He's like best friends is with Dean Torrance. This is

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Barry is killing it right, But unfortunately life

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Speaker 2: My family be saved, I'd be saved. Mam would just

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Speaker 3: Again, would finally loved me. Exactly two million.

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Speaker 2: Also, by the way, you have to keep in mind

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Speaker 3: So did he have like auditory hallucinations you think.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I see, if I see a seagull in

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't put that past it.

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Speaker 3: And then it's all God, God, and like steals his

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Speaker 2: So God's like, here's the plan, Barry. You need a

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Speaker 2: It's nineteen sixty three, You're looking around. Who would you kidnap?

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Speaker 3: Maybe Frank Sinatra's kidnap.

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Speaker 3: And the man knows how to wheeld a golf club.

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Speaker 2: So he's like, you know, who can do it, Frank Sinatra,

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Speaker 3: He grew up in Nancy Sinatra, and he heard boots

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Oh, let me watch my step. So Nancy Sinatra is

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Speaker 3: So he was Frank.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't that his first choice? Inside job? Baby? Why

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Speaker 2: So he decides like, you know, uh, I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 2: he's a he understands, you know, because basically, remember he's

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Speaker 3: How old is the boy? He's nineteen, so he's not

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Speaker 2: Well he is in America. No, maybe a son of

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Speaker 3: That's a minor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm taking legally. You're you're the daughter of a lawyer.

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Speaker 3: I'm also thinking it nineteen. I don't know a nineteen

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Speaker 2: Well, well, you know, basically, if he say nineteen year

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Speaker 3: So I like imagine him babyface, meaning he's bald and

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Speaker 2: So my man, Barry Hewan, he's got his plans set,

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you all about that after this short break. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So Elizabeth, yes, you're an amateur kidnapper.

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Speaker 3: I'm an amateur pretty much.

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Speaker 3: I want to go pro as a kidnapper.

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Speaker 2: You want to get paid? Get that brad Son? Where

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I maybe like try and

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Speaker 2: Is there a kidnapper guild?

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Speaker 3: Everything? You know?

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Speaker 2: Well, Barry goes to the library.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Right, He reads books, he reads newspaper articles. He really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in the microfiche in the library, going give

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Speaker 3: He gets the notion of God telling him no, God

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me check the blueprint. So he's like, well,

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Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, now I need some money. So where

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Speaker 3: Some money to fund my kidnapping?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? It's a tough one. He can't go to the

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Speaker 3: Get a job at a soda fountain and hard work

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Speaker 3: and bootstraps. I don't know, rob.

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Speaker 2: Somebody October in nineteen sixty three, He's like, let me

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Speaker 3: Wait yan, but hold on, how great would it be

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Speaker 2: I'll just put something else out there. You just wait,

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Speaker 3: Dean's like, too busy right in surf him.

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Speaker 2: No, He's like, because you have to understand. Remember when

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Speaker 2: to know, and he's like, I got this great new

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Speaker 2: So Barry's like, hey, Dean, meet me at USC and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, just wait till the end. So he's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: here's the plan. He lays it out to him. I'm

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna make a bunch of money and then

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Speaker 2: He's like, this is your plan. Okay, No, he's like,

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Speaker 2: very entertaining. But what happens if you get caught. That's

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to get caught. That's not part of

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Speaker 3: My plan if I get caught is just tonight, not

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Speaker 2: I've got that checks taken care of. So he's like Okay,

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Speaker 2: and I quote, I'll tell you what. This is too

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Speaker 2: think like he has never spoken about this publicly. He has.

433
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,680
Speaker 2: He's willing to talk about the time he financed Franks

434
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,160
Speaker 2: an under juniors kid down and he recalls and I quote,

435
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever took him seriously. It was

436
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 2: so insane. Yeah, that's like kind of his defense.

437
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,400
Speaker 3: Got this like friend who's not all there.

438
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,200
Speaker 2: And kind of it's his best friend from high school.

439
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 2: So he's like, look, I'm doing well well in surf music.

440
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 2: You used to be doing well with the baby.

441
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 3: Get you back on me alone.

442
00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then He's like, Okay, now I got my money,

443
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 2: got my steed money, got five hundred bucks. Now it's

444
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 2: time to put my plan into actions. He's like, I

445
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 2: need to go get a team together. His first ask

446
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,600
Speaker 2: old high school buddy Joe.

447
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 3: Amslon Barry's eleven.

448
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 2: Totally Barry's eleven. The dude is an Abalony Diver, professional boxer.

449
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 3: Wait, that's the most amazing peak California employment. I saved

450
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 3: that that resume. What do you do? Abaloni Diver, also

451
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 3: a professional boxer.

452
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 2: By the way, really struggling with the employment. His wife's like, look,

453
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 2: you get a job or you get out, so and uh,

454
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: my man, Barry's like, hey, man, I got a one

455
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 2: hundred bucks a week. If you want to be part

456
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 2: of my heist, He's like, cool, I'm into it, right,

457
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 2: So he agrees to the heights for one hundred dollars

458
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: a week.

459
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 3: Then he's like five weeks of employment.

460
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 2: He's like, I need also somebody who cues a tough guy, right,

461
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: somebody who can, like, you know, really bring this home.

462
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 2: So he's like, oh, I know my mom's ex boyfriend.

463
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 3: Oh he brought it home.

464
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 2: So he's this forty two year old World War ti veteran,

465
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 2: a navy man, and he's like, hey, John Irwan, you

466
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 2: want to help me. Kid have Frank Sinatris Junior. And

467
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 2: he's like, hmmm, well, how much is in in it

468
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 2: for me? He's like he tells them on hundred bucks

469
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 2: a week. He's like, all right, I'm.

470
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 3: Now we're down to two and a half weeks.

471
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 2: Of employment exactly. Well, this is our team. So they're like, okay,

472
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: let's get to it now. Their first attempt is that month.

473
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: They decide in October nineteen sixty three, we need to

474
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: go grab You can't pay him that You've done the math,

475
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: it's right there. So he's like, all right, I need

476
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 2: to move. But he's got a problem. Barry's got kind

477
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 2: of a big problem.

478
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: He fell in love, oh Berry.

479
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's wondering, how do I tell my girl

480
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna steal Frank Sinatris son and make us

481
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: some big money. She may not be into that, that may

482
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: scare her away, that may be what the kids of

483
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 2: the future will call her red flag. I don't know.

484
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 3: That would be the best Reddit Relationships post from either

485
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 3: one of them.

486
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: Because I want to steal Frank Sinatra.

487
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 3: Junior it would be like Reddit relationship, like my boyfriend

488
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: keeps disappearing for periods of time and I think he's cheating,

489
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 3: and then the update, well it turns out he was

490
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 3: trying to kidnap Frank Sinatra, not cheating.

491
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 2: So his girlfriend Pam surprises us. All she's into it.

492
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 3: She's like what, oh, Pam's a writer.

493
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: Let's get that dude. I'm telling you, I'll drive right.

494
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: So they're like all lined up and they go heading

495
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: over to Arizona because Frank Sinatra Junior is gonna be

496
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: playing the Arizona State Fair.

497
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 3: Wait, playing the Arizona.

498
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: Singing he's a musician.

499
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: Oh goodness, Oh.

500
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I forgot to tell you that, following in the

501
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: footsteps of his father. He is a musician, and he's

502
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: eighteen sensation at nineteen.

503
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: It's like he's Shacob Dylan.

504
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. This is a really good comparison. Actually is

505
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 2: good me. You like, he's like, you know, basically conjuring

506
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 2: that feel and people are like, oh, it's just they love.

507
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 3: This and he's playing the Arizona State Fair.

508
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a part of a generational issue there, because

509
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: you have to remember it's nineteen sixty three, and not

510
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, you know what I

511
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 2: would love right now is a young Frank Sinatra kind

512
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: of missed his window there. His father really hit it though, anyway,

513
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 2: So he uh, Barry, Pam and the gym, and uh,

514
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: we've got Jim Irwin.

515
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 3: It sounds like you're making up.

516
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: Joe. So Joe John or John Wamsler, John Herwin, Pam

517
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 2: and Barry. They all go cruising over to Arizona, but

518
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 2: they decided to abort mission because Barry he's like, you know,

519
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: he's basically freaked out about the fact he touched a

520
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: phone and he went to like, do somethings like I

521
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: touched the phone, if I left fingerprints, we gotta leave,

522
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 2: and so like, okay, Barry. So then they drive back

523
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: to l A and he's like, okay, guys, I know

524
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: that that probably didn't seem cool how I freaked out,

525
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 2: but I trust me. I got a really good plan.

526
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: Like he basically thought he left this oven.

527
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: On exactly, and everyone was like, oh, man, I don't

528
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: know about this. He's like, look, we'll grab him here

529
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: in l A. And they were like, Barry, I don't know, bro.

530
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: He's like, look, guys, trust me, this is gonna happen.

531
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: It's gonna be amazing, it's gonna be magical. We're gonna

532
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: do this. How about this. Put on your best suit.

533
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: We're going to the Ambassador And they're like what It's like, yeah,

534
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: do it up, man. So they go and they put

535
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: on their best suit. They go down to the Ambassador

536
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: Hotel where Frank Sinatra Junior is performing and they get

537
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: to watch him headline a like nightclub act, and sitting

538
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: a few tables away from them is Frank Sinatra's senior

539
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: Dean Martin and Sammy Davis. Do you think that's a

540
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: whole rap pack?

541
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 3: That's why people went to that show because they thought

542
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: they did, and that's.

543
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: Why Frank Sinatra went to that show because that exact

544
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: same reason. So anyway, now his guys are like, oh,

545
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: it's ordained, we're gonna do it. We're gonna take that

546
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: man's son.

547
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: That was their seagull sign.

548
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: They decided, right, Frank.

549
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 3: Sinatra flies across this room and steals my French fries.

550
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 3: It's on. Remember I'm channeling Barry here.

551
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 2: He's not playing with him. It's amazing. So now remember

552
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: their alibi is they're gonna go to a Ucla foot

553
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: So they set the day they're gonna kidnap Berry on

554
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: a Friday. Go to the UCLA football game on a Saturday.

555
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: Everyone will see them. They like, how could they kidnap

556
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: them on Friday? If they're at a UCLA game on Saturday, bro.

557
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 3: Nothing can happen twenty four hours exactly.

558
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: So that's their plan, and they set the day for Friday,

559
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Oh yeah, So plans

560
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: get interrupted when JFK gets assassinated that day in Dallas.

561
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: Oh boy, So.

562
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: Frank Sinat Your Junior show gets canceled that night, and

563
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: Barry's like, damn it, man, this is not fair. This

564
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: is just not fair. So anyway, he's really upset and

565
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: he's like, but I'm not gonna give up on the dream.

566
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: He's like, I've i refuse. This is my moment, right.

567
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: So he's like, Okay, I'm gonna have to go up

568
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: to uh Tahoe because he sees that's where Frank Sinatra

569
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 2: Junior is going to be performing in December. He's like, okay,

570
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: it's a perfect place to grab He's out there at

571
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: the Sierra Nevada Mountains. I can just go up. There's

572
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: all those little back roads. I can drive down to Reno,

573
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: I can drive down to San Francisco. There's no way

574
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: to say stop me. I could go south in the

575
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: ninety nine. This is great.

576
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: I got December in the in Tahoe. Okay.

577
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's thinking, you know, he's he's from you know,

578
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: down south, so he doesn't really know that it's going

579
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: to be most likely snowy, icy. He's not thinking about that, right.

580
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: But he calls up his mom's actually he's like, hey,

581
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 2: John Irwin, you want to go up north to Tall.

582
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: He's like, bro, I got a job. I gotta, I gotta.

583
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: I got work as a house painter. I don't need

584
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: your hundred dollars a week. He's like, okay, just don't

585
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: tell anyone I'm doing this, Okay. So then he goes.

586
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: He grabs up his buddy Abaloney dive return boxer Joe Amslern.

587
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: He's like, hey Joe, let's go north. And he's like,

588
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: oh man, I can't. My wife's about on me. I

589
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: haven't been able to collect in the Abaloney, haven't fought Anyboddy.

590
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: I mean just things are tough. And he gets some

591
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: work He's like, yeah, there's construction jobs. People are building casinos.

592
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: Let's go up to Tahoe. And he's like, all right, bet,

593
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: let's go.

594
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: He's all, where are your abaloney short shorts?

595
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: Exactly. So the finally they drive north and they're going

596
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: up there and they get to Tahoe and all of

597
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: a sudden, Joe notices on the marque at Harris Casino.

598
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: Frank's not your junior now headlining the whatever room. He's like, bro,

599
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: what's up with you? Just brought me here to grab

600
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra Junior. You're not getting construction jobs. He's like, yeah,

601
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: that's true. We're doing it, man, we're doing it. So

602
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: I will be back in one moment to tell you

603
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: the mad cap grabbing of Frank Sinatra Junior. It's December eighth,

604
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. We're just weeks after the assassination of JFK.

605
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: The nation is mourning, but Frank Sinatra Junior is like,

606
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: the show must go on. So he's out there at

607
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: Harris Casino getting ready to perform. J Yeah, Frank Sinatra Junior.

608
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: So then we enter to the scene Barry and Joe

609
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: Amsler Abaloni dive return boxer who sure charts. They pull

610
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: up into the Sierra Nevadas and they decide, you know what,

611
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna do this thing. After they have a little

612
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: falling out about the fact that Joe was lied to

613
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: by Barry, he's like, all right, I'm here though, let's

614
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: do this. So they pull up in their sixty three

615
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: Chevy and Paula and now, mind you, they have to

616
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: like get his routine down. So like for about a

617
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: week they just kind of shade Frank Sinatra Junior. They're like,

618
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: you know, tracking them. Now we've spent that week up.

619
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: Now we are at December eight, So for the last

620
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: week they've been.

621
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: There doing the most dangerous game exactly.

622
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: Wanted to know all of his routines. Where is anything

623
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: he does? Right? So now they got it down. So

624
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: they pull up in their sixty three Chevy and Paula,

625
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: cut the lights and they go, okay, it's the moment.

626
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: Let's do this. He's like, you're ready, Joe, He's like,

627
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't think I am. And he's like, well, here's

628
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: an unloaded gun, let's do this. I sorry, God, he

629
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: gives an unloaded gun. He doesn't trust Joe with bullets,

630
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: so then he has bullets in his gun. He's like, hey,

631
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: let's go in there. So Barry it's like, you know what,

632
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: I got an idea, I'll be a man. So he

633
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: takes a wine box, fills up with pine cones he

634
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: gathers from like just trees, and goes up and knocks

635
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: on the door.

636
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: It's like a Martha Stewart.

637
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's like, I gotta delivery.

638
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: Exactly here are the pine cones.

639
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: Got the pine cones? You know their decorative?

640
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: What if he opens the door and Frankie Junior's like, oh,

641
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 3: I've been waiting on those and just like starts chewing

642
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: them up.

643
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: It's like thank good, Like they.

644
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: Didn't know he had noticed that he only eats.

645
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: Pine pine cones and that's why he's such a beautiful voice.

646
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: So he goes up and he knocks on the door

647
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: and he's like, hey, Joe be cool, ready, okay, knock knock,

648
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: and then frank stunts Junior rich kid did? He is

649
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: like come in? So they push open the door and

650
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: walk in with the pine cones like delivery, sir. He's

651
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: like set him down over there. He sets him down

652
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: and he's like, Joe, come on in, and he tries

653
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: to pull out his gun, but he can't get his

654
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: gun out of his pocket, so the two of them

655
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: are both fumbling. One guy's got the unloaded gun, he's

656
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: aiming it at them, the other one's got his gun

657
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: into the pocket. Barry finally gets the gun out of

658
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: his pocket, forces it into Frank Sinoutter Junior's face and

659
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: is like, all right, this is a robbery, right, Because

660
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: he's decided he doesn't want it to think it's a kidnapping,

661
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: so he doesn't tell him it's a kidnapping. He's like,

662
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: don't make any noise and nobody will get hurt. And

663
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: he just keeps repeating this over and over again, and

664
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: Junior is like, okay, now, mind you. I left at

665
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: a key detail. When they burst into the room, Frank Sinatra,

666
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: Junior and his trumpet player, this guy Fast. They're hanging

667
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: out in their underwear eating fried chicken.

668
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 3: As you do.

669
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: You know, just before the show was trying to sea

670
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: draws your trumpet player eating some fried chicken.

671
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: That sounds lovely, right, So.

672
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: They're just sitting there now in their underwear, eating fried chicken,

673
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: with guns in their faces.

674
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: Eating they do.

675
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: He literally continues he takes a bite of thigh. He's like,

676
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: what's going on, man, that's incredible. So then he's like, look,

677
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: give us some money, and he's like, no, he's made

678
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: the terrible mistake of trying to rob musicians. The trumpet

679
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: players like, bro, I don't got any.

680
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got good luck wear.

681
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 2: You don't want to know why. So he's like, I

682
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: got twenty bucks. Frank's and not juniors like here, I

683
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: got twenty bucks. And then the reason why they decided

684
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: to rob him is because Barry is spent up all

685
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: their money. They don't have gas money to make it

686
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: back to La. They need this monch. So then once

687
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: they get done robbing him, then they go okay, now

688
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: back to kidnapping.

689
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: So they go, okay, this is a side quest.

690
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: I'm it's amazing. So they tell the dude Foss, the

691
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: trumpet player, Look, you're gonna stay here. Bro, we're gonna

692
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: tie you up ten minutes after we leave, you can

693
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: go tell people that we took Frank Sinat your junior.

694
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: He's like, you tie him up with a ten minute yeah, limit. Yeah,

695
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: So it happens after ten minutes.

696
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. They just wanted a head start. So

697
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: they thought he's a man of dignity and honor.

698
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: He's not gonna get caught because he's not gonna get

699
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: caught exactly.

700
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: This is all part of the plan. I don't know

701
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: why you have questions. So they shuffle Frank's not your

702
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: junior out of the room. They go and they take

703
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: him down to the sixty three Chevy and Paul toss

704
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 2: him in back blindfold them. They get ready to go

705
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, forgot the gun. He has to

706
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: go back upstairs fetch his gun. And he sees that

707
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: Foss is like trying to get free, like, bro, I

708
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: thought I told you. He's like, okay, look, just give

709
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 2: me five minutes. And he goes like okay, I'll give

710
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: you five minutes. Like O cool. So then he leaves.

711
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: He's exactly. So then they go run back downstairs and

712
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: he's like all cool. And they get in the car

713
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: and Joe is not taking off, Joe stowing the car

714
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: sitting there. Joe's like, man, we got really got to

715
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: get out of here. So they're like, oh cool, and

716
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, Frank's not your junior. Be cool, bro,

717
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: just just be cool. And he's like, what's going on.

718
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: You guys rob me and you kidnapped, but what's really

719
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: going on. It's like, so this is a quote from

720
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: Barry and I quote. We're in the car maybe three

721
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 2: or four minutes. I say, Frank, what we should do

722
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: is make you look like you're drunk. So here, take

723
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: these sleeping pills, numb you tall to be precise, take

724
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 2: a swig of this whiskey. And Frank, he was very cooperative.

725
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: I love this. That's for so many reasons. One what

726
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: we should do is kidnappers kidnapping is makes you look drunk,

727
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: like He's gonna be like, oh yeah, Tot's like that,

728
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: let's do. And then they're like, here, take the take

729
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: these pills and some whiskey. He's like, don't go ask exactly.

730
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: And the Franks at Junior did have to be kind

731
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: of like convinced because they told him, look, we got

732
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: these guns and if anything happens, if cops show up,

733
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: there'll be gunfire and you might get shot by the cops.

734
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: We don't want that to happen. He's like, that's true,

735
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: give me the booze, right, But.

736
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: If I'm like kidnapped and shoved in the back of

737
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: a really cool looking sixties three well, I imagine brand new.

738
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: They shoved me in there and they've got guns in

739
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 3: my face. I'm going to say, can I have those

740
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: pills in that whiskey? Because I just want to check

741
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: out on this one right now.

742
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: That's what Joe Antler's doing.

743
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: Kill myself. But I'm like, I, I you know, lights

744
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 3: out London. I want to go to sleep. I don't

745
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: want to see this, and then you can deal with

746
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: my limp body as you try and move me around.

747
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: Just pour me in the foot well and I'll be fine.

748
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So did Joe hit up the pills and whiskey.

749
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Joe and Frank are passing back through at the

750
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: bottle because they're both a little tense right now, right,

751
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: they're just he's not sure this is going to go.

752
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: Well, this is amazing.

753
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: So Foster the trumpet player works himself free. He runs

754
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: down to the manager. He's like, look, they grab Frank's

755
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: not your junior. Manager's like, what was he going to

756
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: get killed?

757
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 3: Was he still eating a piece of chicken?

758
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: I got his teeth, Like, I'm telling him everyone, just second,

759
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 2: this is some good chicken. So anyway, if the manager

760
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: calls to the you know, the sheriff. The Sheriff's like, what,

761
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get killed by Frank Sinatra. So everyone's afraid

762
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 2: of getting killed by Frank Sinatra. So they shut down

763
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: the roads, they shut down the freeway. He has all

764
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: these deputies going like block off any exits and they

765
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: do it fast enough. He's like, I want you boys

766
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: out there because I don't think they got out of

767
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: the out of this area. There's no way. It's only

768
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 2: been like five ten minutes. So he sends his guys,

769
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: I was sawed off shotguns and pistols into the dark

770
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: and cold, and goes go find me the kidnappers of

771
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra Junior, and uh. The sheriff is right of

772
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: one thing. They have not left the area.

773
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: They all take pills.

774
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: No pull over. Barry's like, you know what, man, I

775
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: told you. I got the plan. I thought of everything.

776
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: He says, I just need to put these snow chains on.

777
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

778
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: He does, but he gets the snow chains on you.

779
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: They're driving along and they're like he notices in the

780
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: distance these headlights and he's like, oh, that's a police roadblock.

781
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: So he pulls over. He's like, I just need the

782
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: time to think. Guys, I didn't think about this part.

783
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: And they're like, okay, that's cool. Cool. He's like, okay,

784
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: here's my plan. The cops think that there are three

785
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: people because one's one is Frank Sinatra and the two

786
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: are the kidnappers, so they're looking for a car with

787
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: three people. Joe, you need to get out, okay. Now, meanwhile,

788
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: a blizzard has started to fall. The snow is gone.

789
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: There's like a light snow at first, and now it's

790
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: starting to build. Now we're getting actual blizzard conditions. And

791
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: he's like, Joe, run out into the blizzard.

792
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: And Joe is in his abaloney hunting outfits.

793
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: He's like barefoot and a good whiskey drunk at.

794
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: This and that's it, and he's slurring his speech, so he's.

795
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: Like, okay, he runs out into the knife, right. So

796
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: then Barry gets out starts working on the car tire chains,

797
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: and then these cops pull up. They're like hey. Harry's like,

798
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 2: what's going on, officer? And the cops are like, hey, man, uh,

799
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: what are you doing. He's like, oh, just fixing my

800
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: chains car. Dre's like oh yeah, just out looking for

801
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: some people. And then he's like cool. And then the

802
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: cops get back in their protrol car and drive down.

803
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: The road just out looking for some people.

804
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, but you're not it apparently, So Barry's like, hey,

805
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: Frank junior, nice job. But he playing along.

806
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm just drool all down exactly. He's soiled himself.

807
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, now we need to get out of here.

808
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: And so Frank's on a junior's like, well, what about

809
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: Joe And he's like okay, fine, way, Frank's not your

810
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: seniors worriting about the kidnapper. He's like, we need to

811
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: go save Joe. He's like, okay, fine, Frank, calm down his.

812
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: Drug and induced he thinks of Joe.

813
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he gets out there, he's like oh screaming

814
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: and shouting into the darkness and he's like hey, hey,

815
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: and then Joe comes running back. Joe's like, oh, man,

816
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: I ran into a fence post. I knocked myself house

817
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: for a while.

818
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: Stop it. Yeah, did he legitimately.

819
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: Ran into the fence post knocked himself out. Then he

820
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: comes to and then runs back when hears his name

821
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: being shouted into the darkness.

822
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: So then this is a con brother exactly.

823
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: So then he gets backed. He's like, look, we got

824
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: the same problem, though, Joe. You can't be here. You

825
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: gotta be in the trunk. He's like, but I'm so cool,

826
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: and he's like, to get in the trunk, Joe. Joe's

827
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 2: like okay. So Joe gets in the trunk. Now they're

828
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: got his drive down to a roadblock and then he's

829
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: like hey, officers, and this cops is like, pull that

830
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: his shotguns. You get out of that car. Because he

831
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 2: doesn't know that these He just sees a car coming

832
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 2: at him and he's like, yeah, they decided this must

833
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: be the kidnappers. And then and you know, Berry's like, hey, man,

834
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: cool down. I don't know what the problem is. We

835
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: already got searched. And there's other cops like, oh, yeah,

836
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: I searched him, don't worry about it. He's like, I

837
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: don't know about that. He's like, no, I don't care.

838
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna search you again. He's like, you can't do that, man.

839
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: He's like the other cops like it's cool man. He's like,

840
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: all right, let him go.

841
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: What is going on? When people just tell someone something

842
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: and it becomes true.

843
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: Exactly that's how it works. Wow. Now they're off to

844
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: LA and uh, you know, they get into the dark

845
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: of the night as the blizzard is falling, and they

846
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: turn on the radio and they hear Frank's not your junior,

847
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 2: it's been kidnapped. And then the news is He's like, wait,

848
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: you guys kidnap me, man, I thought we were just

849
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: on a road trip. He doesn't quite understand what's happening

850
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: to him, right, So then Frank Sinatra has to listen

851
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: to his dad because they're playing Frank Sinatra music because

852
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: his son's been kidnapped. So then he just listen to

853
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra tunes that they drive south in California and

854
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 2: they've gotten away with it. So what comes next, I'll

855
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: tell you after this very very short break. So what

856
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: comes next? Well, for these three young men, it's basically

857
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: a road trip south. I mean they're having some fun.

858
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: They're chucking down some pills or drinking some boos or

859
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: listening to Sinatra tunes. It's basically like that scene from Swingers.

860
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: It's just like all right. So then they get back

861
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: to LA and reality finally sets in for poor Frank

862
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: Sinatra Junior. He's like, wait, a minute. You guys totally

863
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: took me like out of like I have a show

864
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: to play, and like, this is messed up. Man. They're like, okay, yes,

865
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: we kidnapped you. What's your dad's numbers? We can get

866
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: some money for you. And he's like, I'm not telling

867
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: you my dad's number. They're like, no, you have to,

868
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm not doing it, and they're like,

869
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: I didn't think about this part of the plan, so

870
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: I have no answer. So he's like Joe hit him.

871
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm not hit them. He's ever, no, buddy, man,

872
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: I'm not going to mess it up. Yeah, we're cool,

873
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: and so they're actually really getting tight pill pals. Yeah, exactly.

874
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: So Frank Tinw's like, yeah, I'm a tough guy. Ain't

875
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 2: gonna tell you my dad's number.

876
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: They're like, goddamn, wait, doesn't he know, Nancy? Why can

877
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: you be?

878
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: Like well, Frank was around right, So luckily he's like, well,

879
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: I've already had some bad news, so I got some

880
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: time to kill. I need to go back up to

881
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 2: Tahoe because I didn't pay off the hotel bill.

882
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: You can't just go ahead and not pay it.

883
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: Well, no, then they'll know it's him. He's worried, right,

884
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: He's like, they'll have the idea that he has this

885
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: hotel that's never built.

886
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: Anyway, well, the way things are working, call him and

887
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: tell him you paid it well, in said.

888
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: He calls Dean Torrance and he's like, Dane, I need

889
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars more because I got Frank Sin not

890
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: your junior down and head like. He's like whoa, whoa wait,

891
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: you did it. And he's like, yeah, it's like, okay,

892
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 2: you need he did. Stop calling me, right man. So

893
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: but he's like, when here's five hundred dollars, never call

894
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: me again. He's like, thanks, I needed the money, and

895
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: he drives back up to Tahoe, pays off his hotel bill,

896
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: and he takes Pam, his rich girlfriend, with him. She

897
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: actually ends up paying most of the hotel bill. He

898
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 2: needs the five hundred dollars so you can pay gas

899
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: and not have to ask Pam for money for gas.

900
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: I guess. They actually spend the day skiing after they

901
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: pay off the hotel bill, and then they then they

902
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: drive back down South.

903
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: Oh.

904
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, once he's back in La, he discovers Barry discovers

905
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: that Joe and Frank Junior've gotten real tight and they're

906
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: they're kind of like, basically they don't want to go

907
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: through with it anymore. And He's like, what the hell, man,

908
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: It's like, you guys, okay, look, so he got he's

909
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: got to call in the outside ringer again. He calls

910
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: his mom's ex boyfriend. He's like, John Row and I

911
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: need you to come in and be tough for me.

912
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: He's like, okay. So the old wol War two veteran

913
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: comes in. They're like, look, I found out Frank how

914
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: to get ahold of Frank Sinatra. He's got this casino,

915
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: this hotel in Reno he's staying at, and everybody's been

916
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: talking about on the news. I'm just gonna call there.

917
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 2: And then you asked to talk to Frank.

918
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 3: Did he have the cal Neiva?

919
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: He owned the calnd with Sam g and Connham.

920
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 3: That's right.

921
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: He was like bask of the front person for it,

922
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: and so yes, good job, darn They all. Yeah. You

923
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: see that in the Godfather they have the whole scene

924
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: up and tile that's kind of like a nod to

925
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 2: the calend Even so, now Barry's like, okay, I can't

926
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: really count on Joe, but at least he'll hopefully keep

927
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: Frank sinout your junior safe in the hideout while John

928
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: Irwin and I go take care of this come on

929
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: Mama's ex. And so they go and they're like, okay,

930
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: let's call Frank Senior. They call up the hotel and

931
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: Frank Stiner was like, okay, these are the kidnappers. Let

932
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: me hear from him right, And he's like okay, boom,

933
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: hey Frank, we got your boy. And they're like what.

934
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: Frank's freaks out. He's like, I'll give you a million

935
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: dollars from my son. And he's like, oh, just a second, Frank,

936
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: you're geting ahead of yourself. We're gonna call you at

937
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: this Chevron station and they give him an address. They

938
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: go go there, we'll call you in a couple of

939
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: minutes and he's like okay, so then hang up. So

940
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: then Frank, you know you're in an FBI agent, drive

941
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: off to that Chevron station. Meanwhile, John Irwin calls the

942
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: Chevron station. He's like, hey, frank'sina you're there. The guy

943
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: working at the gas station's like, uh no, hangs up, Frank.

944
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: So Jon Irman calls back, Hey is Frank Sinatra. There

945
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: this guy at the gas station. He's like, what the hell, pal,

946
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: He's like, listen, pal, Mister Sinatra is not in the

947
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: habit of taking calls at the chevron station hangs up.

948
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: Then a car pulls up. Out steps Frank Sinatra. The

949
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,439
Speaker 2: dude from the Chevron station's like what. He's like, Hey,

950
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: I'm Frank Sinatra. Have I had any calls?

951
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: Oh?

952
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: Man, can you imagine that moment for that too. He's like,

953
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: gets called one call to call three. Just Frank is

954
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra. There's Frank Sinatra. Hey, I'm Frank Sinatra. Any calls?

955
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

956
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: So you know that guy, he's been getting free drinks

957
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: for life on that anyway, Irwin calls again. Frank gets

958
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: this call and he's like, Hey, I'm Frank Sinatra. He's like,

959
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: thank goodness. And so then now he's like, Frank's like, look,

960
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: I'll give you a million dollars, my boy. He's like, no,

961
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: Barry only wants two hundred and forty thousand dollars. So

962
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: they low ball Frank Sinatra and the hass for two

963
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand dollars according to their plan. He

964
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: goes here's the deal. You need you get an FBI

965
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: courier to go to a payphone in La and then

966
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: we'll call that payphone and tell him to go to

967
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: another payphone, and then we'll call that payphone, and then

968
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: we'll go to another payphone and we'll call that payphone,

969
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: and we'll keep doing that till we decide that you

970
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: can go to the right drop And he's like okay,

971
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: So then they do this. They set up this drop

972
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: and on December eleventh, the money is left by the

973
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: FBI at a drop spot on Sunset Boulevard. Joe Amsler

974
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: and Barrier driving around and looking for the drop spot,

975
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: they see the money's there between two school buses in

976
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: a black bag, just like they ask. He goes, Joe

977
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: get out, grab the money. Joe gets out, he sees

978
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: something doesn't feel right. Joe just runs away, just.

979
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 3: Takes off, just like in the Woods.

980
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Barry's like, ah man, So now he drives,

981
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: he drives around the block, he finds parking, he gets out,

982
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: he goes to get the money. He goes like, you

983
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: know what, I saw these like ice cream trucks and

984
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: like all these cabs. I was like those guys are

985
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: the FBI. I don't care. I'm getting the money. He

986
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: goes and gets some money. Anyway, drives away, right, he

987
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: gets away with it. Meanwhile, John Erwin's like I've had it.

988
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm done with this. So he's like, Frank, get in

989
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 2: the car. He calls Frank Senior. He's like, look, i'm

990
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 2: taking your boy. I'm giving him back to you. You'll

991
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: find him on this overpass over the four or five

992
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: freeway and he's like click, hangs up. It's like, Frank Junior,

993
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: get in the car. We're going cozy drives. He drops

994
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: Frank Junior off on the overpass over the four or five.

995
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: He's like get out. It's like okay, and he just starts,

996
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: you know, running off on his own. Meanwhile, Frank Senior

997
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 2: is looking for him, driving around, but Frank Junior doesn't

998
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: know to wait there, so he runs to bell Air

999
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: and the security guard season's like hey, Frank Junior, and

1000
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: he tries to get him past all the reporters and

1001
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: he takes them all the way to his house. The

1002
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: family rejoices. Everything is golden now so far, all is good.

1003
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: Everything is worked. The press which has been after Frank

1004
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: Sinatra's senior for being mob affiliated. Also for like you know,

1005
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 2: basically there's a whole issue about the the Kennedy's. Basically

1006
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy was going after him for the mob stuff,

1007
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: and so he was looking bad about this. Now he's this.

1008
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 3: Poor father incredible.

1009
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: And also he worked with the FBI. The FBI is like, oh,

1010
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: we're tight with Frank. It's cool. He loves at the house.

1011
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So now of a sudden, all his problems

1012
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: go away. So he's actually kind of been done a

1013
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: solid by Barry. Berry's like, look, just like God said,

1014
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: everybody wins. So he's like convinced everything's cold, and he's like, okay,

1015
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: let's go celebrate. So Barry and Joe go back to

1016
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: their hideout. They take all the money they got, They

1017
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: throw it on like the ground.

1018
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 3: And roll around.

1019
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: I quote literally, we all we laid all the money out,

1020
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: danced on it, lit cigarettes with it, did all the

1021
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: things we'd seen in the movies. We had a money war,

1022
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: throwing wads of bills at each other.

1023
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 3: I think I figured out why Barry's business acumen wasn't

1024
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: so hot. Yeah, I think we've made he lit the

1025
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: money on fire to light cigarettes.

1026
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: With Yeah, you ever done that? You don't? You know,

1027
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: smoke cigarettes?

1028
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: You know?

1029
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Anyway, and I'm.

1030
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: Not a moron would steal money, like get money then

1031
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: light it on fire.

1032
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: It's very much like, you know, a cartel dream I

1033
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: think some young boys have. Anyway. John Irwin's like, look,

1034
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm so dumb with you guys.

1035
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: Yes.

1036
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: So he's like, I'm forty two, I'm a navy vet.

1037
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: I ain't got time for this. So he's like, I'm

1038
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: going to New Orleans and I'm gonna go be safe

1039
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: and happy there. So he goes like, first I gotta

1040
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: go see down my boy, my brother down in San Diego.

1041
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 2: So he pops down to San Diego. He's like, hey,

1042
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: my brother, I'm leaving the area. I gotta go to

1043
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: New Orleans. But first I want to tell you a

1044
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: little secret, a little funny story. What your brother's been

1045
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: up to. I grab Frank's not your junior. I did

1046
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: it me and my friends. I got all this money,

1047
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: been that wild. His brother's like, are you kidding me?

1048
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: You can't do that. Frank Sinatra's boy, He's like, okay,

1049
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: well I'm tired. Let me just take a nap and

1050
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: I'll get out of your hair. He's like, okay, So

1051
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: he lays down to go to sleep. His brother immediately

1052
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: calls the cops. The cops show up and arrest him.

1053
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 3: So his brother has a higher allegiance to Frank's.

1054
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: Exactly, his brother snitches on him. He's like, look, I

1055
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: gotta look out for Frank. So then now we got

1056
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: Joe Joe Amsler. He gets popped by he's like playing

1057
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: chess by at a friend's house. He's playing chess, yes,

1058
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: And then Barry eventually gets arrested at his girlfriend's place.

1059
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: So Pam.

1060
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: They all, yeah, dear old Pam. So they all now

1061
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: have to go to court cases. The trials last for

1062
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: about four weeks. Barry refuses to plead guilty by insanity

1063
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: because he's like, no, I meant to do this, God

1064
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: told me to do it. I don't know what you

1065
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 2: people are talking about. And so his lawyers put forward

1066
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: this other whack theory that is Frank jun junior. This

1067
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: is a hoax. He arranged this, he was in on it,

1068
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: and they put this out and they say this before

1069
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: the press, which is messed up because now for the

1070
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: rest of.

1071
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: His life Frank's smart.

1072
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is crazy smart, but he doesn't get the

1073
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: guys off. They go down for seventy five years each. Whoa,

1074
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: oh yeah. But the one good thing is I have

1075
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: to get Frank Junior credit. When he goes up on

1076
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: the witness stand, he says the truth, the whole truth,

1077
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: and nothing but the truth. He even admits that I

1078
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: hope you guys get away with This is one of

1079
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: the quotes he admits to in court. So that's part

1080
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: of the reason why he kind of messes himself up

1081
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: because he says that. Before the hoax gets put forward anyway,

1082
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: he gets burned. The three guys all get sentenced to

1083
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: seventy five years plus life for Amsler and Barry. Irwin

1084
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: only gets seventy five years anyway. Eventually the people are like,

1085
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: that's cruel, unusual, ridiculous. It gets tracked down to three

1086
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: and a half years for Amsler and Irwin, four and

1087
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 2: a half years for Barry, cut.

1088
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: From seventy five and a half years. They're like close enough.

1089
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: By nineteen sixty eight, Barry is out. By nineteen eighty three,

1090
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: he's got a fortune of seventeen million dollars. Remember he

1091
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: was good at business. Yeah, he just needed that two

1092
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand dollars he could get back on top.

1093
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 3: It sounds like Barry was just going through a time.

1094
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: He was spinning out a little bit.

1095
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: Real rough time for him.

1096
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: Wow. Anyway, I feel like we've all known a Barry.

1097
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: I think I've known a few Berries.

1098
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1099
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: I just tried not to be a Barry.

1100
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: Just don't be a Berry.

1101
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: So eventually he opens a substance abuse clinic for other

1102
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: addicts to get clean. He wants to put his fortune

1103
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,479
Speaker 2: to good use. In the late nineties, though, interestingly, Barry

1104
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: and Frank Sinatra Junior used to see each other Beverly

1105
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: Hills social like events like you know, fundraisers and so forth,

1106
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: and they would seeach other across the room. They never talked.

1107
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: They would just yeah, they woul They'd give each other

1108
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 2: a nod and like a friendly like maybe you remember

1109
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: that trip wild time. So Frank Sinatra he died in

1110
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. At his funeral, his youngest daughter, Tinam,

1111
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: she slipped ten dimes into his pocket because she knew

1112
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: that her dad always carried ten dines on him at

1113
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: all times. This was like something that really meant something

1114
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: to her, and she chalked it up to the kidnapping

1115
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 2: and a quoteen of Sinatra. I think it came from

1116
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: Frankie's kidnapping. Maybe before he never wanted to get caught.

1117
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: Not able to make a phone call, he always carried

1118
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: ten dimes.

1119
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

1120
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: Nice. I just like that as a father.

1121
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I mean he's Frank Sinatra. He could

1122
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: just say to someone.

1123
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: Call, yeah, hey, big Jilly, get that phone. Yeah.

1124
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 3: You don't even need a payphone. You just walk into

1125
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: any establishment or someone's home.

1126
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Frank Sinati.

1127
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 3: Bank Sinatra kicks in your front door like I need

1128
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 3: to make a phone call. You're like, yes, mister Sinatra,

1129
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 3: can I get you anything else? You start mixing drinks.

1130
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 2: Panickings, anything for your two hood friends.

1131
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: If you're like hiding all your avalony hunting equipment, be cool,

1132
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 3: be cool.

1133
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: Cool. So what's a ridiculous takeaway from this one? Oh?

1134
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: Wow? I think that again. Everybody knows Barry like some

1135
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: of the ridiculous stuff that he pulls off, and his'

1136
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: really stuck on that. I'll give you a million dollars

1137
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 3: you know I need. All I need is two forty.

1138
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the number I wanted. I'm going to low

1139
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: by your friend. The Lord told me this is a

1140
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 2: business deal. I'm a businessman.

1141
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 3: I mean, why wouldn't you just be like, yeah, that'll work.

1142
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: Did he feel like maybe if he was honest about

1143
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: how much he.

1144
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 2: Needed that all he needed? He didn't want any more.

1145
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: He wanted to keep to his deal.

1146
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: So he's not really greedy and he's on a mission

1147
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: from God. Yeah he was in seagulls.

1148
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: My ridiculous takeaway is wasn't life wild before cell phones?

1149
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: Oh?

1150
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so much of this could be settled.

1151
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 3: I love the screaming into the chevron station thing like, yeah,

1152
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: that's a totally free.

1153
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: Or Joe almost dying in a blizzard just because they

1154
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: don't have cell phones.

1155
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: Joe, I feel like we're two kids talking about a

1156
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: movie and all our favorite scenes. But Joe running into

1157
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 3: a fence post is the chef's kiss on this one,

1158
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: especially because in my mind he's dressed like he's abaloney

1159
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: diving and he's in the snow. So I like that lot.

1160
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, Joe, Joe just is his own thing. Is amazing.

1161
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: Joe is just a spectacular being.

1162
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 3: So we all know a Barry don't be a Barry.

1163
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: Don't be a Barry. Try to be a Joe, but not.

1164
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, because like, if you're going to run

1165
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: into the woods, don't run into a fence post. I

1166
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: also like that Joe be friends Frank Samatra Junior. They're

1167
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 3: just like doing drugs, chilling out.

1168
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 2: When he gets back to the hideout, they've like worked

1169
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 2: out like hole like dances and they're like, what it's

1170
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: like a thing they had like a dance routine.

1171
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: Wait, please, before we start this again, watch what we

1172
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 3: came up with, like one, two, three exactly.

1173
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,560
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