1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Kay Radio Radio Radio Commies, a myth and Bullshit, a 2 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: radio phonic novella, local radio hosted by Malamo. Welcome back 3 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: to Look at the Radio. This is the FM and 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: this is Malas. Welcome back. Thank you for tuning into 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Brown Girl, our and our radiophonic novella. Look At a 6 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: Radio is where we celebrate the brilliance and legacies of 7 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: women and fems of color. Thank you for tuning in 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: yet again. This is Capitulo number nine Capital and what 9 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: is the title of today's capitulo Las Divas the Yes, 10 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: we're so excited. We've been like really like plotting on 11 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: this episode for a while. Now it's going to be 12 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: really cute. Yes, it is. I'm excited to share with 13 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: you all the us vivas that we'll be talking about. 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: But before we get to that, um, we want to 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: do a little like housekeeping, talk about where we're at. 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: Where are we today, Mala today, on this beautiful day, 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: we are at a spasot nine over here in Mariachi 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: Plaza and Boil Heights. Um, there's a lot going on today. Yeah, 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people coming in and out. It's 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: really great. Some of our listeners from Las Vegas. We're here. Yes, 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: shout out to our listeners from Las Vegas who are 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: here for the day. They were still cute. They took 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: a picture with that. They also said they were gonna 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: go they were going to make their way to me 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: be that. Yeah, which I love, I love it. I 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: love it. It's like now like these destinations that are 27 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: popping up Visa, v Instagram. Yes, you know, I love it. Yeah. Um. 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: One of the head is actually said that she was 29 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: going to go to mab that because I love that 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: love shout out. Shout out to me that we've recorded 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: there before. Yes, um, so thank you to Nico and 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: Mita for allowing us to record in their studio. This 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: is a really great space. I feel like is on 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: a new level right now. Oh yeah, hell yeah. I 35 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: mean the sound quality is like nothing we've ever explained. 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: This will be the best, like the best episode in 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: terms of quality sound quality. I don't think there will 38 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: be any mic Letchen right, thank god. No, but yeah, 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: thank you Nicole and Mida because Espasio is so great 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: because not only is it an art space and art gallery, 41 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: they have books, they have shirts, they have clothes, they 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: have art, they have jewelry, they have all kinds of 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: stuff here and they have this community radio space, right 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: and they recently had their art show correct and yes 45 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 1: Sica perform. A lot of artists were here on Helica 46 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: here um and other folks account women that's right, that's right. 47 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: So's so many folks um are able to share their 48 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: art here, which is really amazing. And now we're here 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: and now we're here. Yeah. Um, So before we talk 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: about Las Diva, I want to check in with our 51 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: listeners and talk about what we've been up to. We've 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: been really busy, very busy since the end of February. 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: Now we're in the middle of March. So starting with 54 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Ourmviva event. How did it go? Mala, what did we do? 55 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: Tell God? It was so much fun. I think you know, 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: a few people showed up to the shop for this event. 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: There was a showcase called the artis you know art showcase, 58 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: and there were all these moreheads who their original art, 59 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: their paintings were shown. Um. Noel did a great job 60 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: of getting thrown out there to perform with her live band. 61 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: DJ Sizzle was playing and then we were the femcs. 62 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: We were It was cute, it was fun, it was 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: that was their first event where we were fencing. It 64 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: was it was great. It was cute, we looked cute, 65 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: we felt cute. It was a good time. But there 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: were people from out of state too, were there. Yeah, yeah, 67 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: so that's really dope. It's it's really great when we 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: get to meet people that like not only listen to us, 69 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: but also folks that are new and maybe they get 70 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: turned onto the podcast because of an event that we're 71 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: at exactly. So it's like we're doing more. We're doing 72 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: more femc type events. We hosted a workshop at UCSB workshop. 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: We actually feci at That's so true. I can't even 74 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: keep up, Like, you know, it wasn't It was an 75 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: intense like two three weeks so before we went to 76 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: UCSP Friday Night on the Woman was at the first, third, second, 77 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: March whatever the Friday of around there happened. Donna actually 78 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: had an EP release at the boil Heights Arts Conservatory. 79 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: It was a really great space. Donna was amazing, she 80 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: looked beautiful, She had a photo booth. We femcied, We 81 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: did a trivia you know trivia. One of the questions 82 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: was like what is her favorite snack? Yeah, the answer 83 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: is everybody knew. Um. So it was really cute. The 84 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: trivia I think was really it was really fun. It 85 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: was fun. It was a good time. And her EP 86 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: doll is on iTunes now, so that's out and it's 87 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: really good. She has a music video for the song 88 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: on YouTube. It's beautiful, beautiful. Go check it out. Check out. 89 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: We'll link it somewhere. Yeah. I think I think we 90 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: shared a clip of the total music video on our instagrament. Okay, 91 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: we already did that, so y'all probably saw it that 92 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: people go ahead on YouTube. Um. And then the next 93 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: day we went to you see, Santa Barbara. We were 94 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: back to back to back. Um, I'll tell them about 95 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:28,679 Speaker 1: the hotspot please, I'm tech literally yes. So Mala drove 96 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: up to Santa Barbara. UM, and while she was driving, 97 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I needed to do some edits to our presy that 98 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: we were going to present that day because we were 99 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: just so tired. We were back to back. Prior to 100 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: Donna's EP release, I was actually in Santa Barbara doing 101 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: my own workshop at my Friends of us Dan's class 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: shout out to Cafic on Cheeseman. UM. Anyway, so Saturday, 103 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: driving up, we were exhausted, you know, but we were like, 104 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: all right, let's do this. So we needed to do 105 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: some last minute edits, but you know, had no WiFi. Obviously, 106 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: we were in the car, moving vehicle. Her tablet wasn't working. 107 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: We couldn't edit it on, we couldn't edit ou presing. 108 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: So we created a hot spot and we were able 109 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: to edit some of our pres while we were driving up. 110 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: And it was intense. We took fem tech to a 111 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: whole new level. I feel absolutely. I mean like it 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: just is such a beautiful combination of like procrastinating and 113 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: being desperate at the last minute. Am I. I feel 114 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: like you're extra innovative when you're like there's a time 115 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: crunch when you procrastinated, or you need to turn something 116 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: in within the next thirty minutes, like just kind of 117 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: things ways and absolutely, but it was fun. But the 118 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: workshop we presented our fem Defense Workshop correct at UCSB. 119 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: The students were brilliant and amazing and I love them. Yes, 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: thank you to everyone that so pictures with us, participated, 121 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, learned with us, We learned from you all too, 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: So it was really beautiful to share space with y'all. 123 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: We'll be back in Santa Barbara soon. I think we 124 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: will be I know we'll We'll save those details, yes 125 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: for our next we finalize it, but we may or 126 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: may not be back in Santa Barbara soon. Keep your 127 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: eyes peeled, yes, um. And then finally we have Yeah, 128 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: so fun talk about it. Oh my god, so much 129 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: to talk about. Soad. We actually had the honor of 130 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: recording a life. So we were set up in the 131 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: theater um and we kind of just we're on for 132 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: like an hour and a half. We had a cute 133 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: little table set up with our mic. We had pink 134 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: feathers everywhere, we had glitter, we had our candles, we 135 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: had our questions. We were cute. And so the way 136 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: that viad was set up was if you wanted to participate, 137 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: you could sit in the audience and just listen to 138 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: us as we talked. But then a lot of moheadas 139 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: came down and joined us and sat with us. They 140 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: were like, you know, guest speakers. They answered questions. So 141 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: that's going to be a special cup that we're gonna 142 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: put at a later day to be determined. Um, we 143 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: have to edit that. But it was so fun. It 144 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: was really fun, and I think Originally it went, I mean, 145 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: everything always takes form and take shape into whatever it 146 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: needs to be. But originally we only had we're gonna 147 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: do three twenty minutes segments, right, We ended up doing 148 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: like two fifty minutes segments. So by the end of 149 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: the second one, we were done. We retired, absolutely done. 150 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: But it was so nice to do a recording with listeners, 151 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, in real life, like in person. They were 152 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: so beautiful, so smart, they had so much to say. 153 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: So I think that that episode is going to be 154 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: really interesting because it's a lot of perspectives from a 155 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: lot of different mohandas that were there. So thank you 156 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Last Project for inviting us. Yes, thank you. There were 157 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: so many beautiful talented artists there, young women, they're young girls. 158 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: The photography, your family was there, also, Grandma Natcha, Yeah, 159 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: my Grandma Natcha was there, my parents, my sister. It 160 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: was really cute and the photography from the Last Photos 161 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: was really beautiful, amazing. They're very talented. Yes, so thank 162 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: you again Last Photos for having us. Yes, yes, so 163 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: let's get into it. Yeah, you know, we have been 164 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: we mean, we've already shared this that we do not 165 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: hold the virtue of patients. You know this, this podcast 166 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: has really tested us because we want to put everything 167 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 1: out as soon as we think it about. We're learning 168 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: to just let it marinate in our minds and then 169 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: you know. So today we're gonna be talking about Las Viva, 170 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: the divas that don't necessarily get that much shine, but 171 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: are amazing incredible in their own right, and we really 172 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: want to highlight those, those narratives, those artists, these women 173 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: that have done so much in ways that maybe we're 174 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: not even aware of yet. So MoMA is going to 175 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: talk to you all about our first artista, first diva. 176 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Yes, I'm so excited because, 177 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: like yours have, this particular diva is somebody who in 178 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: her day was a big deal, who was loved and adored, 179 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: and her music is still played today. But she's not 180 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: somebody we hear about very often, and there's in doing 181 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: my research on her, there wasn't that much written about her. 182 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I didn't find a lot of like scholarly materials. I 183 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: think there might be one or two books written about her. 184 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: I found like a couple YouTube videos kind of biographies. 185 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: But so her name um Isna Negra and she in 186 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: her day was it as far as Boletto singles singers went. 187 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: And I've read a couple of things online that referred 188 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: to her as the Billie Holiday of music. Yes, so, 189 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Negra was an Aficana. She came from a family of musicians, 190 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: um from a port city in Veracruz, which is south right, 191 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: which is the southern basically the Caribbean coast of Mexico. 192 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: And she was originally born um Marian Antonia Garmin. That 193 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: was her given name when she was born, and she 194 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: was born in October of nineteen twelve, again in Vera Cruz. 195 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: And she started out singing because she grew up in 196 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: this musical family and I think her brother was a 197 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: musician as well. And what she would do as a 198 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: youth is she saying in carnivals, contests, pageants, um. And 199 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: by the time she was twenty, she had gotten married, 200 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: she had a child, and she and her husband moved 201 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: to Mexico City. And while she was in Mexico City, 202 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: she started to come into her own as far as 203 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: becoming a professional singer on a more national level, and 204 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: she met Augustine Lada, and Augustine Lada is very well known. 205 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: He's very well known, extremely famous UM composer, musician of 206 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: his day who made a lot of really important music, 207 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: and he linked up with Marie Antonia, later to be 208 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: known as Dona la Negra. And the information that I 209 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: found out about her, um, there was a book written 210 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: by UM an author from Vera Cruz and his name 211 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: is Raphael Fiertoa, and he wrote a book about Dona 212 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: la Negra. So, uh, what he was saying is the 213 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: legend basically has it that when Agostin Laa met Tonia 214 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: in UM Mexico City, that she basically became his muse, 215 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: that he kind of took her under his wing as 216 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: his muse, and he decided that um, he wanted to 217 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: rename her, so instead of her name being Marie Antonia, 218 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: he suggested, well, why don't we name you Dona la Negra. Right, 219 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: And I'm really interested because I couldn't find that much 220 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: scholarship about her. It's kind of said that she didn't 221 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: really do a lot of interviews, she could do a 222 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: lot of self promotion. I couldn't really find very much 223 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,599 Speaker 1: of like her words. So I'm going to kind of 224 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: assume that she also had something to do with calling 225 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: herself to Negra, that it wasn't just him that named 226 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: her that. But what's interesting is that this author, um 227 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: Raphael Figueroa, what he says in this piece about Tonio 228 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 1: la Negra on pr I dot org um, what he 229 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: basically said in making the connection between Augustin Lara and 230 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: Dona la Negra was that for Augustin Lara, he was 231 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: able to conduct this musical exploration of the black contribution 232 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: to Mexican culture visa vini la negra. So he wrote songs, ballads, boleros, 233 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: rumbas specifically for her. Right. So, one of her most 234 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: famous songs, so one of her more famous famous songs 235 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,599 Speaker 1: have to do with Vera Cruz and have to do 236 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: with talking about blackness in Mexico, blackness and Vera Cruz 237 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: and so um. For example, a song that we're gonna 238 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: play later in this episode is called Alma Vera Cruz. Right. 239 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: She sings a song called a helios negros. Right. And 240 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: she also was very much and Augustine as well. They 241 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: were very much influenced by a lot of Cuban music, 242 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: Afro Cuban music, Caribbean music that made its way to 243 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: very groups. Right. That's how rumba, right, and different styles 244 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: of dance and of singing that have that Afro Caribbean origin, 245 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: you know, came to be very influential in Mexico. Um. 246 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: There was another song that Agustin Lata wrote for Um Donja, 247 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: which was really interesting because it was kind of all 248 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: it was kind of like a lament, a sad song, 249 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: and it's called Lamento right, and she's basically talking about 250 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: like kind of this sadness that comes with being Afro Mexicana, 251 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: with being a black person in this in the midst 252 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: of this is how she refers to right, and so 253 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: talking about her positionality as an Afro Mexican woman in 254 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: a country that's very fixated on messy sahe right, but 255 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: this on this messy sah that only focuses on indigenous 256 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: and Spanish combinations, not considering what a lot of scholars 257 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: referred to as this third route right Afro Mexican Eva. 258 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's a little bit about her history 259 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: about La Negra UM. It was really interesting because reading 260 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: about her UM, you know, it kind of put into 261 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: perspective how important her work was because if you look 262 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: at her entire discography, like basically the book of compositions 263 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: that Agostin Lata wrote for her. I'm sure that she 264 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: informed all of the music, you know, like what I've 265 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: been reading the different accounts, um and the interviews and 266 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: things that I've been reading about her online, Like people 267 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: very much like to position this idea that like, okay, 268 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: like Augustin Lata wrote these songs for her and this 269 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: was his exploration made in a way like he named her, 270 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: created her identity when we know very like probably not right, 271 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: Like I'm sure she inspired this the creativity, this artistic creation, right, 272 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: but that wouldn't have been possible without her. But why 273 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: does he get the credit for quote creating her? Right? 274 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: It's just interesting because I'm sure that you know, he 275 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: was obviously he was very creative. Um, he was a 276 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: musical genius. But um, I'm just seeing kind of over 277 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: and over like, oh, he named her and she wrote 278 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: songs for her. It was his ex musical exploration of 279 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: the black experience, will know, But like it's coming from her, 280 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: like the knowledge and the music is coming from her 281 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: because that's literally where she's from, right you know? Yeah, 282 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean I think also because even when I was 283 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: doing the research for the Diva that I'm going to 284 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: talk about it made me. It's so different in the 285 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: sense that like because of the time period, like there 286 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: is no like autobiography like this, this person, this artist 287 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: is writing about herself. It's like no, these news sources 288 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: are taking like pieces of what they see and creating 289 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: their own story. Right. So the fact that these women 290 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: aren't here anymore or didn't have, um, like literally the 291 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: technological means to tell their own story, I think really 292 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: changes the way we can see it now. That makes sense. Yeah, 293 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: absolutely so in looking at her discography and the music 294 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: that she made, I would say that her albums, that 295 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: all of her music, like you're saying, would serve as 296 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: her biography, right, um. And her music is just beautiful. 297 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: And it was interesting because this author figured out out 298 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: he talks about the fact that she didn't really do interviews, 299 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: she didn't really do self promotion, that her the just 300 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: off the strength of her voice, right, people loved her. 301 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: And it was really interesting because he was talking about 302 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, for us in Vera Cruz 303 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: Negra was the singer of the twentieth century. She was it, 304 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: and that she had like a big contribution to like, yeah, 305 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: like you know, um honoring and talking about the black 306 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: contribution to Mexican culture, and he was very specific and 307 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: he was saying, you know, the music is very much 308 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: based on Black Caribbean contributions in Veracruz. And Um, I 309 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: think that's really important, and it's really interesting to me 310 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: that I don't hear very much about Doniola Negra. We 311 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: hear about, like, you know, there's there's other singers out 312 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: of Mexico and actresses, and Doniola Negra was an actress 313 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: as well. Um, we hear more about like Selena, but 314 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: she's not from Mexico, she's from Texas. But we'll hear 315 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: more like other figures like Selena or Maria Felius. Right, 316 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: there's there's all these other women who were like much wider, looking, 317 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: much more light skinned that I think we consider to 318 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: be national symbols of like beauty and grace and artistry. 319 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that in Mexico. I think that there's 320 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: like a street named after her, like in her town 321 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: that she's from in Veracruz. But I just wish that 322 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: I would or more about her because it seems like 323 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: she was a big deal and she was in a 324 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: few movies for example, she was in this movie called 325 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: Heads or Tails, which was filmed in nineteen thirty seven, 326 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: and this was actually the third film that gunpin Flass 327 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: ever made, So she was in a film with gunping Flass. 328 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: Um she was in nineteen forty three, she was in 329 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: a film called Mariahena and that was actually a drama 330 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: and she also and Maria Felix was in that film. Yeah, 331 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: that's that's interesting because the folks that she's working with, 332 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: we're artists or actors, actresses that became famous because of 333 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: in Mexico. In Mexico, right, But she's also not recognized 334 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: maybe on the same level. Right, And she's known for 335 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: being one of the greatest singers from that time period, 336 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: from the golden period, right and so' And again I'm 337 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: sure that down in Mexico and Vera Cruz, like you 338 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: talk about her, she's probably a big deal. People probably 339 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: recognize her. But me growing up, you know, I was 340 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: more likely to hear about the Lorees del Rio versus 341 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: Toni la negra, Right, So I just think that it's 342 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: interesting who gets the shine. Um she was in in 343 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: she was actually in a film. Um and Augustine Lata 344 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: was also in the film called um So. Yeah, she 345 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: did a whole bunch. She did a bunch of stuff. 346 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: And it was interesting because one of the YouTube videos 347 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: that I saw kind of talking about a biography of 348 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: her life, is they were saying that she was really 349 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: difficult to work with, that she would break contracts, that 350 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: she was just like kind of hardheaded. And I love 351 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: that because I think that that's kind of when we 352 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: think of divas, we think of being like difficult, right, 353 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: difficult to work with, stubborn, aggressive, whatever it is. And 354 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: I love that detail because I'm like, Yeah, if you're 355 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: causing um, like a man of headache, then I think 356 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: that you're doing your job right. Like if you're causing 357 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: a man of migraine, then you're doing something right. And 358 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: I love you, Lee Rostra and and and friends and 359 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: and and and friends and and and and friends and 360 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: and and and and and and and friends ll ra 361 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: and and and send Delly raa and and and sends 362 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 1: ll raa and and and and um from from from 363 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: home from from from from from from from it and 364 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: um um so welcome back. Um So. Now, moving forward, 365 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about our second diva, which is 366 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: Ima Sumak. She is from Peru Umga. She was born 367 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: as Zoila Augusta m Peratrice Chavari. Name right there, but 368 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: she still had to do do it even bigger and 369 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: go by Ima sumak um. She was born in Camara. 370 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: Um she was born in the nineteen twenties. There's like 371 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: different dates for her birthday, which I think is really funny. 372 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: Um so so um Ima sumach which you know, and 373 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: I actually hadn't heard about her until maybe a year 374 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: and a half ago. Um And I think most of 375 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: like my understanding of like proving culture is like always 376 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: through my own my own kind of learning, my own research, 377 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: because um, I don't my family like we don't really 378 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: we don't really talk about these kinds of things, you know. 379 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: So anyway, she was, she called herself like the inca princess. 380 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: She claimed to be like a descendant of like the 381 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: last an emperor. So if you've ever seen her, her 382 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: get up is always a super extravagant, super like grand dose. 383 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: She was like she would wear like gold and silver 384 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: jewelry just like talk about fem adornoant, just super super 385 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: over the over the top. I love it. She was 386 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: incredibly an incredible, incredible singer because she actually had a 387 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: range of five octaves, which is pretty pretty fucking amazing 388 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: and also really rare. So she was also called um 389 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: approved like she would they would call her the Peruvian 390 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: songbird because her octave was so her range was so 391 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: um so big that she was able to like emulate 392 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: the sounds of animals, you know, So if you've ever 393 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: heard any of her songs, you can definitely see that. Um. Anyways, 394 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: so she actually began her career in Arcentthena in the 395 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: nineteen forties, and then after her success in Arcanthena, she 396 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: moved to the United States. Um, I think is where 397 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: she created her her stage name Ima Sumac, which from 398 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: what the research that I've done in Guechua means beautiful 399 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: flower or beautiful girl. So I'm not actually sure. So 400 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: if you speak Etchua or your family speaks Ketchua, can 401 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: you confirm this because I'm really curious as to what 402 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: Ima Sumak actually means. Um. Yeah, So anyway, UM, I 403 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: think it's really interesting that she became like if you 404 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: think about the time, like nine right, and she came 405 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: to the US, but this is where she made her career. 406 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: To me, that is like that is so it blows 407 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: my mind. So her career was really made here, not 408 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: so much not in you know, she was like like 409 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: of course she's there's you know, like there's a lot 410 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: of pride in that. But the fact that she made 411 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: her career here to me blows my mind. And I 412 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: think it's just such a statement of how talented she 413 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: really was. You know, the fact that her vocal range 414 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: was five octaves right, um And I think that that 415 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: is so rare for somebody, especially at the time. And um, 416 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: I think she really she she played with the whole exotica, 417 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: like making herself exotic, making herself like mysterious, like taking 418 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: on that role, like performing in that way. She she 419 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: made that hers. She she reclaimed it in that way, 420 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: I think, which is I think is why I'm so 421 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: drawn to her and her power. Um. And she she 422 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: knew like she was able to thrive here because of that, 423 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: you know, And I think that that is incredible. Do 424 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: you think that that would have been as valued had 425 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: she been doing it in Peru, Like would it have 426 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: had the same appeal? I'm not sure I really can 427 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: tell you. Maybe maybe not, because I think, um, I 428 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: think in Biddle, if anything, you're there, I mean, there's 429 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: that's hard. Especially that's hard. Yeah, because of the time period, definitely. 430 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean I think because her music was like musica 431 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: and dina um, you know, but it was also like 432 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: very opera, like she was an opera singer, you know. 433 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: So I think because she took like so many different 434 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: um different sounds and made it her own. I think 435 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: that's why it was able to thrive here. I think 436 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: maybe I don't know if maybe i'm speaking like maybe 437 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say this, but I'm wondering if like maybe 438 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: her work wouldn't have been as valued in Biddu, you know, 439 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: and maybe she knew and that was the reason she 440 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: made She started her career in Arcanthina, which makes sense 441 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: that the Exceltico in Arcanthina would boom thrive, and then 442 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: she came here and again. So she was actually married 443 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: to one of her band members, MOI says, and they 444 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: actually signed with Capitol Records and her first album sold 445 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: him like a million copies look at her, Yeah, and 446 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: it makes me like kind of upset it. I didn't 447 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: really hear about her until a year ago. You know, 448 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know who she was. You know, I've never 449 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: heard my family talk about Ima Sumak like until like 450 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: I think I shared a picture on my Facebook of 451 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: her talking about like goals, you know, and my DIAA. 452 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: She's actually my DIA's sister, but my so my anyway whatever, 453 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: we're related somehow somehow, you know. SOA, she like she 454 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: knew about Imasuma and she was so we started talking 455 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: about her. But prior to that, like I had never 456 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: I had never heard anybody talk about her um to me, 457 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: but she really like when I've seen some pictures of 458 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: her now and like the looks and the face all 459 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: of it. She her wing eyeliner, her gold and silver, 460 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: like if you know anything about bed, there is beautiful 461 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: jewelry being made there, the silver and gold. You know, 462 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: we were like and she was wearing all of We 463 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: were like Incan goddess gods and goddesses pretty much with 464 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: all the you know, and that's what we're all and 465 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: that was her aesthetic. Um, like I was saying, she 466 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: called herself like the last descendant of you know, like 467 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: the last Incan emperor. She was the Inca princess and 468 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: um and yeah, so that really made her look I feel, 469 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: and like she was also into she would starting two 470 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: films here in Hollywood, put on by Paramount Pictures. Right, 471 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna need to have a movie night, 472 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: I feel. Yeah. So reading about her, apparently, um, when 473 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: she became more mainstream her she actually became more alienated 474 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: from her Peruvian fan base interest, right, yeah, and then 475 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: they began to see her as a sellout it yeah, 476 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: and then I guess how that happens, right, And I 477 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: guess like her in her first film, Secret of the Incas, 478 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be set. I mean, it's kind 479 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: of ridiculous, you know, but like this was this was her, 480 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: this was her career, right, this is she knew what 481 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: she was doing. In my opinion, she knew what was 482 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: gonna work. Especially, I feel like here in the US, 483 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: like people don't know anything about South America at all. 484 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: Like one time somebody asked me if, like what part 485 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: of herw or what part of Mexico was in what? Yeah, 486 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: not so my person, of course, I wish I was kidding. 487 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: My family has crazy stories of this where like people 488 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: were like, they don't know where Fetu is. So it 489 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: makes sense that she knew her audience, she knew her market, 490 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: She knew that Alexotico was you know, fetishizes pretty much, 491 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, and but she made it work. The fetish 492 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: is there, why not play to it, you know what. 493 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: Power to her. I think that that's amazing. Um So, 494 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: but anyway, going back to the film, apparently only a 495 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: small portion of it was actually filmed in much and 496 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: the rest was like in a studio and that was 497 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: really upsetting to some Puano's okay, yeah, which I could see. 498 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: I could see that right right, because it's like, why 499 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: not do the filming at the actual location, right right, 500 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: that's Hollywood? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Well, you know I love her, 501 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: look um her. Um just we're gonna post tons of 502 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: pictures of and if you're listening in your Nework computer 503 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: or something that you can google, I want y'all to 504 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: look up a picture of her so you can see 505 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: like the heavy, heavy, heavy amounts of jewelry that she 506 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: was wearing constantly when she would perform. You know, it's 507 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: really like such a performance. You know, she's a door 508 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: and absolutely, um it's like a type of it's like 509 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: a goddess worship that she's allowing you. Absolutely, you know what, yes, absolutely, 510 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 1: We're going to save that for another couple. So when 511 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: we talk about God worsh up, um see how we 512 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: can't bet more anyway? So you know she would also 513 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: she sing mambos. She's saying, Mari Neda's guicka if you 514 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: remember talked about Maria. I know, yeah, Um, so she 515 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: like to me, I feel like she really broke the mold, 516 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: especially considering the time that she was in And I'm sorry, 517 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: but like a South American woman just doing the damn 518 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: thing here in the US, like in the nineties forties, exactly. Yes, 519 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: It's it's difficult to think about that happening now. Honest. 520 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: I don't think you know any Bidjuanas in the game 521 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: that are like Hella repping Bidu, you know what I mean? 522 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like she's an Inca princess. 523 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: That was how she made her career. Like I'm positive 524 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: there there are actors and actresses or singers people are 525 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: doing art that are of South American or Proving descent. 526 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 1: But she's like the Inca princess. You know, it might 527 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: change my handle to that TV, I know, right, um yeah, 528 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: And I love how she really kind of like reclaimed 529 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: that adornment gold and the jewels and it's like, this 530 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: is what I'm going to wear, you know what. And 531 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: I think that that's so interesting because contrary to she 532 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: did a ton of interviews, she was on The Letterman Show. 533 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: Like later on in her life, she's a lot older 534 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: and she performs on The Letterman Show. Get out of Here. 535 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: I wish I was kidding. Well, no I don't, but yes, 536 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: I'm serious. Wow, did you what? Did you watch the interview? 537 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: I didn't watch the interview, but I'm not even sure 538 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: if it was an interview, because you know how um, 539 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: sometimes on those talk shows they just performed, but they 540 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: don't talk to them. I feel like it might have 541 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: been that I only watched the performance. I didn't get 542 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: a chance to see if there was an interview. So 543 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: she really was like doing She was doing the damn thing. 544 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: She knew what she was doing. I mean, I think 545 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: the fact that she signed with Capital Records goes to 546 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: show that she had a good production team, right, she 547 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: had good people behind she did who knew how to 548 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: work with her type of art, with what she was 549 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: putting out there. Yeah, and then in one of the 550 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: articles that I read, um, I guess after World War Two, 551 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: there was like a boom in like worldly music. So yeah, 552 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: so she would. I'm assuming her music would be classified 553 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: under that, Like you know when you go to a 554 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: record store and it's like world music, global music. I 555 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: think that that's what her Her music would be classified as. 556 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: That was her lane, that was like her Nie. She 557 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: was like otherworldly, you know. Like in one of the 558 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 1: one of the articles I read, it was Len who 559 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: read it. The Red quoted Emma as a beautiful, otherworldly 560 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: shanto whose veins around with royal inca blood. She began 561 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: dressing in lavish gowns and draping herself in indigenous inspired 562 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: proving jewelry, using a mysterious glamor. Wherever she went goals 563 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: goals TVH like that is my aesthetic goals right, And 564 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: she knew what she was doing. She was brilliant, in 565 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: my opinion, super super brilliant. Um. I mean. I also 566 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: read that there was like a rumor which probably started 567 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: by haters, probably hater hateful bamanos that were jealous that 568 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: she was like a sellout. But apparently they were saying 569 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: that I was actually from Brooklyn and her name was 570 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: Amy spelled backwards, shut up, and that she was actually 571 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: from Brooklyn and was like a big old phony pretty 572 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: much right, but that and keep her down, you know, 573 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: she's like, no, I am a Peruvian princess. It's going 574 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: to take a rumor. Needs to be a lot more 575 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: like intricate than Oh, actually she's from Brooklyn, that's her name. 576 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: Smelled back like, come on, give me some real dirt, 577 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: like give me a real scandal. Yes, So I think 578 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: that we should do a movie night one day where 579 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: we um we play and I think just also I 580 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: would really want to watch her films to be critical 581 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: of the way like Prue is exoticized, not like on 582 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: her doing, but like the filmmakers doing. Absolutely, you know, 583 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: I think that would be really interesting it was they 584 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: were American directors and stuff. I'm assuming behind the camera. Absolutely, Yes, 585 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: you should do that. Thank you so much for tuning into. 586 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: Let's with local radio. Before we say goodbye, we want 587 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: to we have some announcements that we want to share 588 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 1: with y'all. Yeah. So first, um, our listeners, you probably 589 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: have noticed that you're having trouble finding us on iTunes. Um, 590 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: so we don't know what's going on. We're gonna check 591 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: that out and we're going to try and fix that 592 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: because our episodes I think should still be like in 593 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: your library. 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We 620 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: want to learn about more divas. We want to add too, 621 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: because you know we I think a lot of times 622 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: end up celebrating the same women over and over it. 623 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: And I love I love Free to Call, Oh, I 624 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: love Slanta. But there's more, you know, we have like 625 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: so many mores that came before us, from our home countries, 626 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: from our communities that have created such beautiful art from 627 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: the Caribbean as well. There's so many, so many talented 628 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: women that have come before us. So tell us, tell 629 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: us who your favorite divas? Who has inspired you? Who 630 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: has inspired your glam, your outlook on life? You know, 631 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: who did you list girl up listening to? Or who 632 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: have you newly discovered that really speaks to your soul? Yeah, yeah, 633 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: let us know us. Okay, thank you for tuning in, 634 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 1: Thank you for keeping time. Thank you for spending Brown 635 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: Girl Hour with us once again. We'll see you next time, 636 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you next. We'll talk to you 637 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: next time they see us.