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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, February the fifteenth, and welcome into another
Speaker 1: episode of the Draft Show. I'm David Hellman. Like the
Speaker 1: big voice guy just said. I think he said all
Speaker 1: y'all's names too. I don't know why I do this
Speaker 1: every week. I'm with Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 1: You get the drill by now, guys, how are we
Speaker 1: doing excellent talking about the draft? How can you not
Speaker 1: be any better? I'm exactly. Super Bowls over just welcomed everybody.
Speaker 1: Now that has to start to catch up. Yeah everybody Now,
Speaker 1: now everybody else has to hop on. Like now you
Speaker 1: don't hear you go if you're not a draft Nick skymore?
Speaker 1: All right? Can you not more? Guy? Can you not
Speaker 1: give away? Future segments from a start with that. Let
Speaker 1: him let wide receiver Skymore. I asked Jeff who he
Speaker 1: who was the last guy he watched last week? And
Speaker 1: he got pissed at me. But now he comes in
Speaker 1: here just dying to talk about sky More. Skymore, So
Speaker 1: let's go. Come on. Oh, he's a Western Michigan wide receiver.
Speaker 1: He's five ten, one hundred ninety five and he's Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: So um, just pick him. Yeah, second round done. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put him in every mock draft. Cooper Cup is
Speaker 1: a lot bigger than that. Just for the record, Um,
Speaker 1: six yeah, six one five. I thought I looked this
Speaker 1: up yesterday. I mean a bigger player, play style. Sorry, Skymore,
Speaker 1: Western Michigan wide receiver. Just put him on your radar.
Speaker 1: If you're out there and you love the draft and
Speaker 1: you haven't watched him, watch him. He's to me, the
Speaker 1: safest it's weird to say about a Western Michigan wide receiver.
Speaker 1: He's the safest receiver I've watched this year. At worst,
Speaker 1: he's going to be a good slot starter as a rookie.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, well, you know, Corey Davis
Speaker 1: came out of Western, and then I realized, like, maybe
Speaker 1: you know he hasn't had him. He's all right, isn't
Speaker 1: that right? And then a bad career. Maybe. Did I
Speaker 1: hear him say he was talking about wide receiver one
Speaker 1: he did, Yeah, he said he didn't have the nuts
Speaker 1: to put him there, sky Moore, Yeah, well, because I
Speaker 1: don't know if he could thrive on the out out here. No, no,
Speaker 1: I just want to use him as Cooper Cup. And
Speaker 1: the reason I keep saying Cooper Cup, Cooper Cup, first round,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup in a first round pick, Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: if you could red that draft, he absolutely would be.
Speaker 1: And so like, I don't know how this guy's gonna test.
Speaker 1: I know he's five nine five um, And when I
Speaker 1: watch him play, it's just it's the movement patterns. Everything
Speaker 1: looks like Cooper Cup. Looks like there's other guys in
Speaker 1: the league that when they're runner are out like can
Speaker 1: chop their feet and explode faster. But Cooper Cup like
Speaker 1: does this thing where everything is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a forward lean and he can change directions great at speed,
Speaker 1: and then after the catch he's hell on wheels. For
Speaker 1: the same reason, Skymore at Western Michigan plays does he
Speaker 1: just play inside? No, no, no excuse, me. He plays
Speaker 1: inside and outside, Okay, I just don't know. In the
Speaker 1: NFL against Toledo and Miami of Ohio, I watched him
Speaker 1: shred Pitt and Michigan. There you go, you first team
Speaker 1: All MAC. He's only a sophomore too, which is kind
Speaker 1: of intriguing to me. Guess right, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, gotcha. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's a rocked up five foot ten and if you
Speaker 1: want to picture him moving picture Cooper cup best trade,
Speaker 1: it's all gonna fall along the same vein. But it's
Speaker 1: like he's unstoppable off the line of scrimmage. Okay, So
Speaker 1: people are gonna have trouble playing against him off the
Speaker 1: line there, people are gonna have trouble standing in front
Speaker 1: of him off the line. Is that what gets him open?
Speaker 1: Or does he get open on his own down the field? Uh?
Speaker 1: He gets open off the line, and he gets open
Speaker 1: because he can do the like I'm not saying going
Speaker 1: from right to left, but going from I'm going deep
Speaker 1: right to deep left, and it's like it's a violent
Speaker 1: loses no speed doing it skymore. He's my guy. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Twitter listener, Sonny, I saw your question. Sorry, Sonny,
Speaker 1: I ruined the Draft Show. Sky Moore was going to
Speaker 1: be a question in the next segment, but we just
Speaker 1: knocked it out for you. Ninety four catches, twelve hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty three yards, ten touches, We got games against Michigan.
Speaker 1: You said Michigan pit. Watched him against ACC champion pit
Speaker 1: team State. That's what I want really quickly. So which
Speaker 1: one was better? Is it sky Moore or is it
Speaker 1: Dwayne Eskridge, who came out of Western Michigan last year
Speaker 1: was the second round as well. Yeah, sky Skymore is
Speaker 1: better because Duyne Eskridge didn't have a great rookie year.
Speaker 1: Ten reception, sixty four yards, he had one touchdown. If
Speaker 1: Skymore doesn't kill it, I'm stupid, But I've been stupid before.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that fa The thing is when you
Speaker 1: see a guy and you're sure, I'm sure Skymore is
Speaker 1: going to approach. He talked about a lobby when we
Speaker 1: did the show earlier, about how the smoothness did he
Speaker 1: plays with and how he gets open similar? Not similar.
Speaker 1: The reason I have sky Moore ahead of Chris Olave
Speaker 1: is because sky More also has like five ten You're
Speaker 1: thinking small and I'm telling you about that's Okay, right, well,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you about quickness, so it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he must not be powerful. Byss he's a rocked up
Speaker 1: five ten moving like that. And so I just keep
Speaker 1: going back to the same name, and it's dumb, but
Speaker 1: I keep going back to Cooper Cup because it's the
Speaker 1: same thing with the ball in his hands, where just
Speaker 1: like one guy in space is screwed, whether he runs
Speaker 1: through you, around you, makes you lean the wrong way
Speaker 1: with the MacMan, does he have a weakness that you
Speaker 1: saw something that you didn't like us It would be
Speaker 1: hard to be sure about projecting him as an outside receiver.
Speaker 1: I think I would be the one thing. I so
Speaker 1: skymore watch one highlight. No, he's been No, actually I
Speaker 1: should I pulled up his height. He's been invited to
Speaker 1: the combine. I'm seeing later. I'm seeing five nine, So
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what his actual measurement. He's my
Speaker 1: five nine, Okay, my five nine. Steve Smith was short
Speaker 1: like that. If if if Cup is the guy you
Speaker 1: keep bringing up, I'm gonna go with it. And I
Speaker 1: know that it's funny because they're built differently, and by
Speaker 1: rule in the draft, you have to compare white guys
Speaker 1: to white guys. No, Sky Moore's a white guy, and
Speaker 1: he's not the same height. They play the same Okay, Okay, Hey,
Speaker 1: I've said a lot of dumb stuff on this show.
Speaker 1: I didn't really want to draft Michael Parsons, but I
Speaker 1: fell in love with Cooper Cup about an hour into
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I remember that, so I'm on board
Speaker 1: with it. Which Anywhears twenty four receiver, that's a weird
Speaker 1: just pretty badass. So was he was? He was? He
Speaker 1: recruited as a ring back? What's with all the questions? No,
Speaker 1: you don't have to draft show ask Dane. I don't
Speaker 1: know it's college. You're just asking you. I'm asking you.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking Dane. On Wednesday, he does the background,
Speaker 1: he'll be at YouTube dot com. You weren't interested in
Speaker 1: in his background. You weren't interested to know his background.
Speaker 1: I just watched the tape, brother, Okay, Brian's just salty
Speaker 1: that you brought from and watched to the table. And
Speaker 1: he's from Western Michigan. Okay, this is a good segue.
Speaker 1: If y'all'll let me do it, If you'll let me
Speaker 1: do it, Fox Chapel, Pennsylvania here, Thank you, very much. Cooper.
Speaker 1: Cup is where I wanted to start this show, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you. And I know we're all draft nerds,
Speaker 1: so this is gonna be counterintuitive, but yes, we we're
Speaker 1: forty eight hours away from the Rams winning Super Bowl
Speaker 1: fifty six, and I just want to pick y'all's brains.
Speaker 1: I think every year at this time, you're always trying
Speaker 1: to see if you can learn something from the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl teams, right, And I'm just curious what you think
Speaker 1: about the way the Rams pulled that off. And I
Speaker 1: want to I want to be clear because I think
Speaker 1: it would be lazy to say that like the Rams
Speaker 1: bought their roster or traded for drafted, They drafted, They
Speaker 1: drafted Donald, they drafted really well yeah went I mean
Speaker 1: they drafted like twelve in their starters. Yeah, it's all
Speaker 1: mid and late a lot of mid round guys. They
Speaker 1: drafted Donald, they drafted Cup, they drafted their tackles, they
Speaker 1: drafted all of their defensive contributors on the one end,
Speaker 1: and even going back, they drafted guys like John Johnson.
Speaker 1: Like they're a pretty good drafting team all things consider,
Speaker 1: But then they filled the gaps with trading their will
Speaker 1: agency and their willingness to do it with picks that
Speaker 1: matter is pretty eye opening. I went in like I
Speaker 1: pulled a lot of this stuff up. Obviously, everybody knows
Speaker 1: the Stafford trade a twenty twenty two first, a twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three first, a twenty twenty one last year's third. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Jalen Ramsey trade two firsts and a fourth middle
Speaker 1: of the season last year. They trade this year's two
Speaker 1: and this year's three for von Miller who comes in,
Speaker 1: plays eight games, gets five sacks. Harassed Joe Burrow all day.
Speaker 1: Just add a round to every one of those trades,
Speaker 1: just ad they've been so consistently good. Well, no, add
Speaker 1: a round two because where those picks are going to be,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that's the problem is
Speaker 1: you've you've given up, right, you just gave up the
Speaker 1: thirty second really for the last Yeah you get you know,
Speaker 1: the Lions got a player at thirty two, they get
Speaker 1: to select. I mean, the Cowboys did the same thing
Speaker 1: with Amari Cooper if you remember, Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean at one time that looked like the like maybe
Speaker 1: the top ten pick, and then it turned into the
Speaker 1: Raiders end up getting what twenty six, twenty seven, something
Speaker 1: like that, twenty seven. Yeah, So to me, if you
Speaker 1: make those trades and you feel like that your team
Speaker 1: is going to be good, it's like you're just going
Speaker 1: at a round to that. You know, it's it's the
Speaker 1: thing that backfires on you that you know, some of
Speaker 1: these trades, like the Houston trades and stuff, the Germany
Speaker 1: tunsils and stuff like that. I mean, you know, those
Speaker 1: are the kinds of things that backfire runs. So when
Speaker 1: you look at this though, and I wanted to be
Speaker 1: thorough too, like it's not just blockbusters. They're starting center
Speaker 1: for the last few years. Austin Corbett, failed second round
Speaker 1: pick with the Browns, they get him for a fifth.
Speaker 1: He started two years for them, Sony Michelle, they're leading
Speaker 1: rusher this year because Cam Akers, another good draft pick,
Speaker 1: gets hurt. They get him for a fifth and a
Speaker 1: sixth conditional picks. And then over the years they've been
Speaker 1: involved in trades for Marcus Peters keep to but they
Speaker 1: traded Robert Quinn away. They hate drafting Brandon Cooks, Dante Fowler. Uh.
Speaker 1: They got Kenny Young and then sent him away. Like
Speaker 1: they they almost work like a baseball team. Like exactly
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. It's like trade deadline, let's go
Speaker 1: try and make a run at this thing, sort of
Speaker 1: baseball dealing, wheeling and dealing. So I'm curious, this is
Speaker 1: just what what my brain goes to. Do you think
Speaker 1: they're willing to do that because of their confidence that
Speaker 1: they're going to be a contender and that those picks
Speaker 1: will be around later, Like you're saying yeah, Or is
Speaker 1: the NFL overvaluing unspent draft picks and the Rams are
Speaker 1: taking advantage of it? And I've talked to you about
Speaker 1: this well, and I think the answer to like, it's
Speaker 1: weird because the answer to everything is yes, which is
Speaker 1: why I love this format as opposed to like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hit you with seventeen hard opinions, because like the Rams,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's true that they don't value the draft.
Speaker 1: They realize they don't like the draft. They don't they
Speaker 1: realize that they're chosen. Strategy is that we think our
Speaker 1: first round picks are better used and acquiring surefires players
Speaker 1: are yet and some teams don't. But they know the
Speaker 1: value of the draft because they do accumulate mid and
Speaker 1: late round like they want to pick they want to
Speaker 1: fill up their roster with young, affordable talent, so everybody
Speaker 1: has different ways they do it. So I think, yes,
Speaker 1: it's true that most teams over value draft picks in general,
Speaker 1: Like the Cowboys should have been at the front of
Speaker 1: the line when the Chiefs traded for Melvin Ingram at
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. If you've got a guy who could
Speaker 1: be like a rental player, who somebody's going to sign
Speaker 1: him next year, you might get a comp pick back,
Speaker 1: and you can do that for a mid to late
Speaker 1: round pick. The value of a mid to late round
Speaker 1: pick most of the time is near zero. Now, the
Speaker 1: value of having a bunch of them is you get
Speaker 1: more shots at it, and if you get more shots
Speaker 1: at it, you'll stumble into some good young contributors. So overall, yes,
Speaker 1: I think the league value their draft picks too much.
Speaker 1: And the maybe the most impressive part is like the
Speaker 1: Rams have been making a habit of not picking until
Speaker 1: Day two and sometimes even day three on the regular.
Speaker 1: This year, their first picks not till the third round.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get some compicks um for an executive that
Speaker 1: they that left for the Detroit as well as some
Speaker 1: late round guys. But like, just listen to this, Like
Speaker 1: they've done some solid work just drafting in those money rounds,
Speaker 1: whether you want to talk about a John Johnson, a
Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds, a Tyler Higbee in the fourth round. Look
Speaker 1: at the number of picks last year, Like the team
Speaker 1: that quote doesn't draft because they're willing to trade first rounders.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one, they picked nine players. Twenty twenty, they
Speaker 1: picked nine players. Twenty nineteen, they picked eight players. A
Speaker 1: year before that big ten or eleven players. They do
Speaker 1: this set of desperation. That desperation, Yeah, it is, it
Speaker 1: really is. I've talked to the general manager, I know
Speaker 1: Less Snead. Yeah, Less was in a mode you tipped
Speaker 1: the time early pick. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's when you
Speaker 1: know the general manager. That's how you get that stuff.
Speaker 1: The general manager there though, when you feel like that
Speaker 1: your job is not safe, when you feel like that,
Speaker 1: there's things about it. And again to me, I feel
Speaker 1: like though, when you look at these teams and when
Speaker 1: they make moves, they make moves and then they start
Speaker 1: to work, and it's like but it's a lot of
Speaker 1: it out of desperation. It's somebody else's problem. If let's
Speaker 1: need if that team had not had success and they
Speaker 1: move on from a general manager and all those picks
Speaker 1: are gone, that's somebody else's problem. Sure, but I have
Speaker 1: got to find a way to quickly turn things around
Speaker 1: or I'm going to lose my job. Less admitted that,
Speaker 1: I mean he knew, he knew that potentially before Sean
Speaker 1: McVay became walking through that door, that he was going
Speaker 1: to have to do something big. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: another thing they're better at than everybody else. They know
Speaker 1: their team. Teams that don't know their team aren't willing
Speaker 1: to trade their quarterback that they drafted, that they gave
Speaker 1: all that capital too. And it's not just Jared Goff either,
Speaker 1: Like they've been willing to get they got rid of it.
Speaker 1: They know who they know, they know and see that's
Speaker 1: the that's the biggest more Pro Bowls than at Steffer.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about it is though they know their
Speaker 1: team and they know how their team works, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and to me, it's desperation and knowing your team.
Speaker 1: I think I get your point, especially moving to LA
Speaker 1: building this billion, you know, multi billion dollars stadium twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. But like in the time since Sean mcvagh
Speaker 1: got there, they've only missed the playoffs once. They've been
Speaker 1: in Super Bowl twice. Like, that doesn't sound like desperation
Speaker 1: to me. That just sounds like they've hit started with.
Speaker 1: It started off as the desperation, and then desperation showed
Speaker 1: that it could actually work. I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: think as a general manager, this is this is the
Speaker 1: one trade I would want to have. I would want
Speaker 1: to be desperate every single time. I would want to
Speaker 1: be desperate knowing that my job is on the line
Speaker 1: every single day. You know why, because that would make
Speaker 1: me a better general manager. That would make me go
Speaker 1: and try and trade for Ramsey, or try and trade
Speaker 1: for Stafford, or try and do this, or try and
Speaker 1: do that. Because the minute you lose that desperation and
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable with it, you get lazy. Your team
Speaker 1: just turns into what it is. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what the Rams. They're not willing to sit there and
Speaker 1: let their team just turn into what it is. You know,
Speaker 1: that guy's willing to move and make moves, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a great trade to have. That's really one
Speaker 1: of the things that kind of when you were talking
Speaker 1: about desperation early on. That sets this situation apart from
Speaker 1: other desperate situations is if you are a general manager
Speaker 1: and you're making these rosters, you're putting this all together,
Speaker 1: Sure you can kind of kick the can down the
Speaker 1: road a little bit, right. The Rams aren't kicking the
Speaker 1: can down the road just a tad bit. They're kicking
Speaker 1: it all the way down the road. Somebody else's problem.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work way down the road, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, it's because they figured out along the
Speaker 1: way that it works. It works as a factor of maybe, hey,
Speaker 1: the league is overvaluing these draft picks. Instead of looking
Speaker 1: in the fourth round for a guy who can start
Speaker 1: at your right guard spot, Let's go trade and go
Speaker 1: get a guy like Austin Austin Corbet who's an automatic
Speaker 1: starter and had played wealth for you throughout the season.
Speaker 1: Let's go get a Sony Michelle who can step in
Speaker 1: whenever cam Akers is out, just because hey, we don't
Speaker 1: have another guy that we feel comfortable in. Once again,
Speaker 1: knowing your team, knowing the state of the rest of
Speaker 1: the league too, they knew they could go out and
Speaker 1: get Matt Stafford for Jared Goff and go make something
Speaker 1: happen because Matt Stafford is a special quarterback. Jared Goff
Speaker 1: maybe not so much, despite some of the success he
Speaker 1: had already had. It's it's a better, it's a better
Speaker 1: it's a better plan to trade for Jalen Ramsey and
Speaker 1: it is to draft Mo Claiborne. Right, that's so true.
Speaker 1: That's it's a better plan. You know what Jalen Ramsey is.
Speaker 1: But see, I think the Rams are one of the
Speaker 1: few teams that has come to that realization, is that
Speaker 1: they know players better than you. This guy that's four
Speaker 1: years into his career is a better bet than It's
Speaker 1: almost like letting your letting your cowork the job. Look
Speaker 1: what vond Miller did for them and the playoffs. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to be sack every game. I
Speaker 1: don't think you sack. I don't think it's realistic for
Speaker 1: most teams to be doing deals like that on the
Speaker 1: rag And I honestly, I don't think I would want
Speaker 1: the Cowboys too, Like they have proven that they're good
Speaker 1: enough with their first round picks. What days that parade
Speaker 1: in La I knew you were gonna say that. I
Speaker 1: knew you're gonna say that, but no, I do. I
Speaker 1: do think. I think they're a balance needs to be
Speaker 1: struck and this is for the whole league. I okay,
Speaker 1: So I think when you do the like, what could
Speaker 1: you learn from the Super Bowl teams? For the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I think the answer is almost nothing. Like the Rams
Speaker 1: have chosen this route and we know what this route is,
Speaker 1: and if you want them to be more aggressive, that's fair.
Speaker 1: But every team is dependent on where are you in
Speaker 1: your cycle of who's on your team. If you are
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, for instance, right now, just today, they have
Speaker 1: seven very highly paid veterans that most of them can release,
Speaker 1: and if you did, you wouldn't save much and it
Speaker 1: might end up hurting, right. Yeah, So like for the Rams,
Speaker 1: when you're making those moves, you had the ability to
Speaker 1: pay those guys. You didn't have a highly paid quarterback,
Speaker 1: you didn't have a list of seven guys making double
Speaker 1: digit million dollars every year. So it's all about where
Speaker 1: are you in your cycle? And the Cowboys do choose,
Speaker 1: for the most parts, the same path. Yeah, they chose,
Speaker 1: they choose kind of the same cycle. It would be
Speaker 1: different if you had decided when contracts were up that
Speaker 1: I'm not paying Zeke, I'm not paying Lyle Collins. That
Speaker 1: there's a level of player I'm not going to pay.
Speaker 1: Then you could go chase somebody else's. They're not in
Speaker 1: a spot where they can do that because they've chosen
Speaker 1: that Lyle Collins, Ezekiel Elliott, Jayalen Smith, all of the
Speaker 1: guys who are ten to eighteen to twenty million dollar players,
Speaker 1: they chose that you deserve this salary which takes you
Speaker 1: out of those runnings. See I get That's that's what
Speaker 1: I mean when I say balanced, though, like I go
Speaker 1: back to it all the time. I'm sorry if I'm
Speaker 1: a broken record. But like the trade that they pulled
Speaker 1: off for Robert Quinn a few years ago, that's the
Speaker 1: type of thing that I'm talking too. And the Rams
Speaker 1: have done plenty of those types of deals, Like to
Speaker 1: get their starting center for a fifth round pick. How
Speaker 1: about getting two years out of Dante Fowler for a
Speaker 1: third and a fifth. Cowboys sent what I think it
Speaker 1: was a fifth and a seventh to the Dolphins for Quinn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he comes in and has twelve sacks and he didn't
Speaker 1: stay here long, but that's not but he got you
Speaker 1: back better than a fifth right, that's my point, because
Speaker 1: he played well and got paid, and that's what like,
Speaker 1: I don't want the Cowboys dealing all of these valuable
Speaker 1: assets away. And also I don't think they ever would,
Speaker 1: just to be blunt about it, but I do. I
Speaker 1: think there's more that you can do to bring talent
Speaker 1: onto your roster than to just say, well, these are
Speaker 1: our eight picks this year. Comfortable nail, so we are.
Speaker 1: We're comfortable here. You've got the Rams on one side
Speaker 1: of this spectrum of hey, we're gonna not value the
Speaker 1: draft the same way, we're gonna try and acquisite or
Speaker 1: acquire players from the rest of the league, and then
Speaker 1: that's a shorter cycle. It's it's gonna be three or
Speaker 1: four years. You're gonna be fine. You'll have a legitimate
Speaker 1: window to a win. Cowboys are on the complete opposite
Speaker 1: end of that spectrum. And the fact that we value
Speaker 1: the draft, we're gonna keep our guys around, we're gonna
Speaker 1: make sure we build from within, and that's a longer cycle.
Speaker 1: It's an eight or nine year window, but it's not
Speaker 1: as volatile as what the Rams could do in the
Speaker 1: fact that they can actually win a Super Bowl. And
Speaker 1: I almost forgot. The reason I was saying that I
Speaker 1: don't think you can learn a ton from either one
Speaker 1: is because regardless of the way that they did it,
Speaker 1: and they get credit because you won playoff games, you
Speaker 1: went to the super Bowl. Sure, the Rams were the
Speaker 1: four seed, the Bengals were the four seed. Neither one
Speaker 1: of these teams was the best team in football. If
Speaker 1: you run back the postseason and just say, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna try again, it's very likely neither one plays
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. Yeah, you just won the games,
Speaker 1: winning games and tiny sample sizes, and then using that
Speaker 1: as a we must build like them is probably a
Speaker 1: fool's errand because the Bengals would not run that again.
Speaker 1: The Rams, on top of probably not running that again,
Speaker 1: one of the teams they sent home beat them on
Speaker 1: their own turf to get into the playoffs in the
Speaker 1: last week of the season, and should have beaten I mean,
Speaker 1: they're dropped open pick by Jakois guitar away from losing that.
Speaker 1: And so winning the Super Bowl is very very hard,
Speaker 1: and so whoever does it immediately saying I need to
Speaker 1: be like them is probably a bad idea because guess what,
Speaker 1: they ain't going back. I completely. Yeah, But is it
Speaker 1: better than you just to give your odds neither one
Speaker 1: of those teams is in the super Bowl next year?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean would you take that chance though,
Speaker 1: if you knew it could get you a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: if as opposed to what you're doing right now for
Speaker 1: the last twenty six years. But that's the problem. See that, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the problem I have. Then if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of Kwaski catches the ball? Sure didn't. Sure, But then again,
Speaker 1: you're looking at twenty six years of here of not
Speaker 1: having even even a chance at it. I mean you
Speaker 1: look at you know, the way that you've done things,
Speaker 1: and trust me, through the twenty six years, I was
Speaker 1: part of the some of the bad crap that was
Speaker 1: going on here, you know. But to me, I think
Speaker 1: that you sit there and if you expect the same things,
Speaker 1: then you get what you get. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: and if the building a team is great and everybody
Speaker 1: can say, oh, this is a really talented roster, and
Speaker 1: then you sit home every year when it comes Super
Speaker 1: Bowl time, and what good is that? And I think
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of Cowboy fans are probably frustrated
Speaker 1: because it feels like You're the one team who has
Speaker 1: never been able to go on the run. And there
Speaker 1: is no identifying reason of why Romo had two teams
Speaker 1: that were probably good enough to go to the Supero.
Speaker 1: They were absolutely Dax had probably two teams that were
Speaker 1: good enough to go to the Super Bowl. And yet
Speaker 1: everybody else who gives themselves that many chances in the
Speaker 1: postseason finds a way to advance more than the Cowboys had.
Speaker 1: And that's that's my overall point. You're absolutely right. I
Speaker 1: remember the whole league chased Seattle's model for like five years,
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, it turns out it's really
Speaker 1: hard to draft three Hall of Fame defenders and a
Speaker 1: quarterback who's good enough to start at the same two
Speaker 1: of them on day three at right, So I get
Speaker 1: that button. We're not just talking about the Rams winning
Speaker 1: this Super Bowl. They've been a mainstay in the playoffs
Speaker 1: for five years at this point, given to two super
Speaker 1: Bowls in the last five years. Sean McVeigh helps them too.
Speaker 1: I just think that that I think is true, and
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily a Cowboys thing. That's a trend that
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch, is I just I wonder
Speaker 1: if we're going to see a change in the way
Speaker 1: teams cling to these draft picks that they can't be touched,
Speaker 1: because that was the attitude for so long. Again, I
Speaker 1: always gave up a one one time they needed a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Well he gave it. Next he gave up
Speaker 1: two ones for Joey Galloway. He gave up a one
Speaker 1: and a three and a five for Roy Williams. Are
Speaker 1: these are lifetime ago moves. But this iteration, but he
Speaker 1: is the general manager. It shows a point. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: general manager has done this before it goes on there.
Speaker 1: I do think the general manager is desperate. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's people around him that are desperate enough. That's
Speaker 1: my problem. That is my problem. I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do a lot of the things people are yelling at
Speaker 1: them to do, and they don't realize it. Where it's
Speaker 1: like because I hear a lot of people like, go
Speaker 1: all in, move all the money back, keep everybody, do that,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, they're here because they actually already do.
Speaker 1: Every highly paid player on this team that's not Dak
Speaker 1: is on the cap this year for significantly more than
Speaker 1: they get would your year. They've already done it. Would
Speaker 1: you say, would you say, then they've misevaluated their team
Speaker 1: of who to pay and has some of the and yes,
Speaker 1: some of the contract extensions been because of they're not
Speaker 1: moving quick enough. Yeah, some of the problems. I would
Speaker 1: go after this front office and say, for a team
Speaker 1: that talks about wanting to win deals, yeah, you get
Speaker 1: destroyed in every negotiation. Tank destroyed you, Zeke destroyed you,
Speaker 1: Dak destroyed you. For a team because they want it
Speaker 1: to be their deal, and then they wait until it's
Speaker 1: too late to get their deal, and it's like crap,
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Going back, going back to the line
Speaker 1: about being a baseball team, I'm not sure they're ruthless
Speaker 1: enough when it comes to just bottom line, like getting
Speaker 1: rid of a guy a year too soon instead of
Speaker 1: too late, not caving on negotiations, that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair to say. Anyway. So now that
Speaker 1: we've gotten all that frustration out from the super Bowl
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Speaker 1: gonna jump right into it guys, because we we we
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Speaker 1: Actually this question is from Jeff. That's perfect, and it's
Speaker 1: a wide receiver question. I did not ask a question.
Speaker 1: This will work in a crazy Seedee Lamb esque scenario
Speaker 1: where Garrett Wilson and Treylon Burke's are both available to you.
Speaker 1: Who do you prefer Garrett Wilson? Yeah, Wilson? Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all all agree that the best in the class. He's
Speaker 1: my only He's my only first round wide receiver. And
Speaker 1: by first round I mean the rest of them. I
Speaker 1: gave the cheater grade two. I like to cheat like
Speaker 1: a late like a late first yeah, game a one two,
Speaker 1: which is just my way of delineating when I'm looking
Speaker 1: at my own board. However you want you learn that
Speaker 1: from Dane. It's how I draw a line of this group.
Speaker 1: I would pick first, and then let's go down to
Speaker 1: this group us. Your sky guy. Is he the top
Speaker 1: of the right, below the one Wilson. Garrett Wilson is
Speaker 1: number one to the house today, Trailing Burks is number two.
Speaker 1: Now disclaimer, I still have not seen Drake London London Nutacks.
Speaker 1: I still haven't say okay, I still haven't seen Drake London,
Speaker 1: but Garrett Wilson is my first one, then Trail and
Speaker 1: Burks at Arkansas, then Jamison Williams, then Skymore. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: my top four wide receivers. Wilson separates and separation is
Speaker 1: King Burks is going to be hellified ball in the air,
Speaker 1: screen game. You could gadget him. He'll be really, really good.
Speaker 1: But Garrett Wilson I love. And the one thing about
Speaker 1: Wilson you were talking earlier about Cooper Cup and that
Speaker 1: first step like trying to have that first defender take
Speaker 1: him down. It's not happening against Garrett Wilson. I think
Speaker 1: he's shifty enough to get around defenders. He's he's going
Speaker 1: to be good at all three levels. He's that deep
Speaker 1: threat ability. He still has a chance to catch in
Speaker 1: traffic because he is a decent size. I mean six
Speaker 1: foot that's a good size for a receiver. So I
Speaker 1: like him over Burks because I think he can do more.
Speaker 1: I think you can use him in a number of
Speaker 1: different works. Comes with more Risks, I agree wis a
Speaker 1: whole lot of He's gone a flat routes and screen
Speaker 1: game and he's got a really bad quarterback and he
Speaker 1: makes catches, so that should presses men a bad quarterback.
Speaker 1: Bat Lsu Drake London at US he watching him yesterday.
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy can catch in traffic, he can
Speaker 1: catch downfield. He has a bit of separation at the
Speaker 1: top of his routes, but not as much as you
Speaker 1: would really want because he's so big. He's just a
Speaker 1: big bodied receiver, great on the outside. He can be used.
Speaker 1: Mike Williams M Yeah, I call I called him. I
Speaker 1: called him Adam Feeling. Who's hoo? I called him. I
Speaker 1: thought he was I thought he was a bigger Adam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I said. Yeah, I'm gonna ask Brian this
Speaker 1: question because he got here first and we talked about it.
Speaker 1: If either of you all have watched him, feel free
Speaker 1: to chime in. GC wants to know about Andrew Booth,
Speaker 1: the Clemson cornerback. Yeah, I think there's a What's interesting
Speaker 1: is about him with Booth is they don't throw the
Speaker 1: ball at him very much. I mean when you watch
Speaker 1: him play, you really have to struggle to find them
Speaker 1: like trying to attack him, because he's got all the
Speaker 1: skills that you want. The coaches usually usually use him
Speaker 1: on the outside in man coverage. But you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's where I kind of feel like that he could
Speaker 1: be his best With Clemson. You do see a little
Speaker 1: bit of zone with him, but he just doesn't get
Speaker 1: many opportunities to get challenged. And you know, but the
Speaker 1: movement looked good. He was flexible to bend his back
Speaker 1: pedal with the quickness to drive the redirection. You know,
Speaker 1: they threw a screen his direction the one time he
Speaker 1: was able to rally and get there and make the play.
Speaker 1: I saw a guy that you know, has all the
Speaker 1: things you want, but I think he is a fifty
Speaker 1: fifty tackler at best. I really really do. I've seen
Speaker 1: him wrap up, but I've also seen him with really
Speaker 1: badly too. And I just don't feel like there's any
Speaker 1: issues with the athletic stuff. We'll see about the toughness
Speaker 1: side of it, but man, the guy does have a
Speaker 1: burst and he does make some plays when he gets
Speaker 1: the opportunity. If you're open to the Cowboys picking a
Speaker 1: corner in the first round, then I think you need
Speaker 1: to know Andrew Booths because I think that's about where
Speaker 1: he goes. I think he's a guy that gets picked him.
Speaker 1: This is a name. I don't think we've set his
Speaker 1: name on this show now, and that feels like an
Speaker 1: oversight at this point. I think he is a full
Speaker 1: size corner that is very well rounded with one exception,
Speaker 1: and Brian named it for you. He's an out of
Speaker 1: control tackler, like he's a run forward, dive lunge, like
Speaker 1: he'll throw his body at you, but he's not breaking down.
Speaker 1: And he's not a good tackler. But man zone movement skills, catchpoint,
Speaker 1: Andrew Boots a player, he's good, so great and coverage
Speaker 1: poor tackler. Where would that nick him for your grades? Like,
Speaker 1: where would that set him? And I think I think
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I think the I think the movement skills
Speaker 1: and the ability to play the ball. And again I
Speaker 1: always evaluate corners that could take routes inside because I
Speaker 1: think that's the most difficult thing. This guy has no
Speaker 1: problem doing that. I would like, I say, Jeff's right,
Speaker 1: if you take him at twenty four. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's a problem. The tackling is an issue, But then again,
Speaker 1: there's people that will say his job is to cover,
Speaker 1: not to tackle. Yeah, you do have to tackle, But
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, though, if I where I
Speaker 1: put him is my thought was more about him at
Speaker 1: the top of the second round than he was at first.
Speaker 1: But then again, that's outside my range of the twenty
Speaker 1: guys that I have first round grades on. So he's
Speaker 1: in that in that mix of twenty two, twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty four area. For me, a lot of people have
Speaker 1: him as like a top ten pitied. The skill, the skills,
Speaker 1: the skills there. I mean, it's it's because he has
Speaker 1: that blend. He has a blend of He's full sized,
Speaker 1: he can play man or zone. Um. I won't say
Speaker 1: he's not physical. He's a bad tackle. He's a bad tackler. Um.
Speaker 1: And so when you're yeah, so if you're a guy
Speaker 1: who's six foot two hundred and you're a blend of
Speaker 1: all these things like Sauce, Gardner's a giant, super physical,
Speaker 1: will blow up your screen game Like. He's not physical
Speaker 1: like Sauce. Yeah, he's not as sticky as somebody like
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley or Trent McDuffie at Washington. He's just good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's good at all of it. I'm glad you brought
Speaker 1: up Stingley. I love this. I love the phrasing from
Speaker 1: Big squeak love the name too. He says he doesn't
Speaker 1: just want to know about Derek Stingley. He says, help
Speaker 1: me understand Stingley. And I think that's a good point
Speaker 1: because most people agree he's like a top five talent
Speaker 1: in this class. But then you hear a lot of
Speaker 1: people complain about his recent tape about not having played
Speaker 1: a lot and maybe he could slide, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's a guy. It's worth trying to get a
Speaker 1: handle on where you think he is in this class.
Speaker 1: I have Gardner over him from Cincinnati. I think there's
Speaker 1: some questions about his health when he plays. He tends
Speaker 1: to play and then get hurt. I think that's a
Speaker 1: concern right now. But when you watch him play, he
Speaker 1: can cover from all levels. You put him up, you
Speaker 1: put him back. You know, he can run with anybody.
Speaker 1: The body, control the balance, he's you know, there's times
Speaker 1: when you see him finish too. I mean you see
Speaker 1: him like the ball will be there and he's able
Speaker 1: to knock it down. He's in position. He'll even taunt.
Speaker 1: I've said this before about this guy, like though some
Speaker 1: of the will run routes on him and the ball
Speaker 1: will be not going that guy's direction and he'll still
Speaker 1: be in position broke down like, bro, you ain't getting
Speaker 1: the ball. I'm still here, you know. And it's almost
Speaker 1: like he plays with that swagger about him. But the
Speaker 1: athletic ability, the quickness, the burst, all that's there. I
Speaker 1: would be concerned about his overall health as a player.
Speaker 1: I think for Stingley, the reason that I would still
Speaker 1: have him rated so high as potentially a top ten
Speaker 1: to twelve pick is because on some levels, at corner
Speaker 1: it's as simple as like that guy's gonna run somewhere
Speaker 1: and you have to chase him. Can he get away
Speaker 1: from you? And with Stingley, even as an eighteen year
Speaker 1: old playing against twenty two year olds in the SEC,
Speaker 1: the answer was not even an inch. And so that
Speaker 1: much ability, it goes high the ceiling. Absolutely, the ceiling
Speaker 1: is dizzying. When he's not. He's not even twenty one yet,
Speaker 1: and he's what He played a full season as a
Speaker 1: true freshman, had both of his seasons cut short injury,
Speaker 1: COVID stuff. The scheme didn't do him any favors in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. But when you talk like what he's been
Speaker 1: able to do to this point in his career. If
Speaker 1: he's healthy and locked in and committed. Yeah, it's crazy
Speaker 1: how committed you think he really is. I trust that
Speaker 1: he I trust that he will be in the pros.
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard to blame guys in the COVID world,
Speaker 1: I mean Chason Parsons and or the free labor world
Speaker 1: of college football. Fair once your stock is established, if
Speaker 1: you decide Stingley wasn't a COVID opt out the way
Speaker 1: that Chase and Parsons were. But if those guys can
Speaker 1: opt out and come in and take over the league,
Speaker 1: I completely trust that Derek Stingley can recommit himself. I
Speaker 1: also I don't blame people for having questions about that though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't blame people for well, when you look up
Speaker 1: prototypical cornerback in the dictionary and Stingley could pop up
Speaker 1: as the picture because he has that high ceiling, he
Speaker 1: has that coverage ability, the rare athleticism, the prototypical build
Speaker 1: for a corner. And then one thing that I think
Speaker 1: is extremely rare of his tape is his ball skills.
Speaker 1: The way he's able to catch it almost like a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, good punt returner. You could use them on
Speaker 1: special teams. If you really wanted to the ceiling is
Speaker 1: what you would draft him for at ten to twelve.
Speaker 1: I know that's what Jeff said a little bit early
Speaker 1: on ten to twelve. If that's where you wanted to
Speaker 1: take him, you're putting him in the conversation of a
Speaker 1: JC Horn and a Patrick's or Tan from last year.
Speaker 1: I would put him on the list with those two guys.
Speaker 1: Out of all three of them together, I'd put him
Speaker 1: a solid third. But I don't have necessarily as many
Speaker 1: doubts on the fact that he could come in and
Speaker 1: play in NFL high caliber of football. It's just can
Speaker 1: he do it consistently? That's my biggest pause. I think
Speaker 1: the thing too about with with Stingley that you kind
Speaker 1: of have to know about him is that to me? Well,
Speaker 1: I was watching If you watch Pickens from George Joe Pickens, yeah,
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. It's a really good matchup.
Speaker 1: Pickens did some good things against Stingley. A matter of fact,
Speaker 1: Pickens did some things against him. The Auburn corner you
Speaker 1: can create. Yeah, you kind of watch if you want
Speaker 1: to go back and you could find those games, go
Speaker 1: back and watch how Pickens played against those guys and
Speaker 1: had success. So to me, I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: agree with that what everybody's staying about Stingley again, let's
Speaker 1: see how I think he'll be committed. I do worry
Speaker 1: about his health. I just think there's sometimes he's one
Speaker 1: of those guys that reminds me almost like a track
Speaker 1: athlete did. He almost has to be perfect for him
Speaker 1: to perform conditions and I mean conditions, body conditions almost
Speaker 1: have to be perfect for him to perform. Amat says,
Speaker 1: We've talked plenty about Nakobe Dean, but what about his
Speaker 1: Georgia teammate, Channing ten Doll. Ten Doll, have you seen
Speaker 1: ten Doll? You haven't watched him, I have. I have
Speaker 1: only seen him getting ready for Bama and Georgia. I
Speaker 1: kept writing down other Georgia linebacker names, and I was like,
Speaker 1: he also can fly, yeah, and hit, and I wrote
Speaker 1: that about like three different dudes. Jeff is absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Channing tend Yeah, he did, you did. You did a
Speaker 1: great job. I said that in the second line. Best
Speaker 1: trade is his ability to run. There's snaps where you
Speaker 1: see him carrying receivers and maintains positions. He also does
Speaker 1: a really good job when the ball goes wide and
Speaker 1: he can run it down. He can cover a lot
Speaker 1: of ground. Feel like he's a better player when it's
Speaker 1: attacking things straight ahead. But I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: his link or how the pads sit on his shoulders,
Speaker 1: But not sure how well he can really turn. He
Speaker 1: kicks a little tight to me and there, so there
Speaker 1: might be a little stiffness into his game to that
Speaker 1: point when it comes to really having to turn. But
Speaker 1: everything downhill, he's a physical tackler, as all the Georgia
Speaker 1: linebackers are. They come with a purpose, they wrap you up.
Speaker 1: He's used as a blitzer, attacks hard, you know, but
Speaker 1: I think he needs to have a little bit better
Speaker 1: plan when it comes to rush. And so I just
Speaker 1: kind of like I like him in that mode. I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you exactly where I put him, but
Speaker 1: Jeff's right about him on the running aspect of things.
Speaker 1: I put him in the third round on my board.
Speaker 1: It's kind of difficult because I've found notes I made
Speaker 1: getting ready for the National title game. You will consistently
Speaker 1: see Nakobe Dean, who's standing next to him, be gone
Speaker 1: and going to make a play. Yeah, and Channing Tenda
Speaker 1: hadn't figured out where he's gonna go yet. And part
Speaker 1: of that is that Nikobe Dean is like a upercomputer.
Speaker 1: And part of that you wonder is like, okay, our processors,
Speaker 1: how are we processing here? But dude can fly and
Speaker 1: dude can tackle. Yeah, you also got you also have
Speaker 1: quay Walker and that makes as well. That's like another
Speaker 1: you watched him yet, but everybody talks about him like
Speaker 1: Daniel Jermia I think has him the top fifty. You
Speaker 1: can run and fly and hit. Okay, kind of like
Speaker 1: those other Georgia linebacker, right, I can focus something in
Speaker 1: cold I always focus. I can only and the scouts
Speaker 1: here used to get on me about because they were like,
Speaker 1: how do you not just watch four guys at once?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can only watch the possible you watch
Speaker 1: two because with the All twenty two you could watch
Speaker 1: the wide view. If you're watching a car, Yeah, then
Speaker 1: when they go to the inside, you could watch it.
Speaker 1: I've done that. I've been I've beene that with offensive
Speaker 1: lineman before. If the guy's on the other side, I
Speaker 1: kind of just take a peek at the corners doing something.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I watch the corner and then I watched
Speaker 1: the how like the tackles. I'll give him some love.
Speaker 1: Our guy, our guy, Drew Fabian its national stand here
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. He would come into. Oh he would
Speaker 1: rail us. We don't we don't see him as off
Speaker 1: and because of COVID, but he would come in and
Speaker 1: just laugh at us watching like one guy at a time.
Speaker 1: He's like, you, you're supposed to be able to do
Speaker 1: six of these guys at once, So like, that's why
Speaker 1: you get paid to do this, and I do it
Speaker 1: for fun. Take your candy and go on, leave me alone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why Brian kept the candy jar stocked. Paul wants
Speaker 1: to know bigger need to upgrade. If you had your choice,
Speaker 1: in a perfect world again, whatever storyline you want to imagine,
Speaker 1: you have a chance to dramatically upgrade center or guard,
Speaker 1: left guard, what would you rather? What would you rather?
Speaker 1: I guess guard because it's empty. Yeah, I'd probably say
Speaker 1: guard there too. Okay, even knowing center, I'm not dying
Speaker 1: right now, just for the fun of it. You can
Speaker 1: address that position later. Tackle. No, that's not the question. Tackle,
Speaker 1: I'm moving Collins to guard. Okay, you did say that,
Speaker 1: and then maybe you could pick your center then if
Speaker 1: you wanted to. If you're telling me that I'm going
Speaker 1: to dramatically upgrade one and the other one in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form is going to be passable, give me
Speaker 1: the center. I would rather have a great center than
Speaker 1: one guard. We should feel good about the whole right
Speaker 1: side of your offensive line at that point, I think
Speaker 1: I think I agree, and it just goes. You used
Speaker 1: to say it all the time when Frederick played here.
Speaker 1: Just the ability to cut a defense in half. That's
Speaker 1: that's key. When the running the ball the way the
Speaker 1: teams run the ball nowadays, you have to cut the
Speaker 1: defense in half. If you told me I could have it,
Speaker 1: If you told me I could have an all pro center,
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern would be fine with an all pro center
Speaker 1: playing next to him, I think I said, fine, not great.
Speaker 1: I will take Linda Baum. If you tell me that
Speaker 1: Collins could play guard. Okay, And I like Linda Baum
Speaker 1: a lot, I really really do. Yeah, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 1: The thing that the question I have and I need this.
Speaker 1: I need to ask my gang of seven about this
Speaker 1: is how you know he doesn't like him? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: every time I like him. But let me tell you
Speaker 1: let me ask him, we ask you guys, because yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, he's he's at Iowa, he's two ninety two,
Speaker 1: big ten weight program. Is he gonna gain weight? I
Speaker 1: don't know, we'll be okay, yeah, if he's fall if
Speaker 1: he's kicking ass against the Ohio States, Michigan's and Wisconsins
Speaker 1: of the world. I mean, he's not the number one
Speaker 1: prospect in the draft because he's not an inch or
Speaker 1: two taller and ten Okay, why is there such a
Speaker 1: disparity of where this guy could be picked? I think
Speaker 1: there's two. I think there's questions because it's because you're
Speaker 1: asking the right question, Well, is he gonna gain weight?
Speaker 1: And a draft it's rare that a center goes before
Speaker 1: the late teens, but he's so good that maybe he will.
Speaker 1: And something that Creed Humphreys should have gone in the
Speaker 1: first round, which the veriest. Absolutely. Now, some teams are
Speaker 1: gonna look at that, at that same question you asked,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a bigger factor to them than
Speaker 1: other teams. Other teams are gonna look at and say,
Speaker 1: you know what, even if he doesn't gain weight, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's still a bad We're gonna we see Jeff's not
Speaker 1: wrong about the player. We see the athletic ability, the
Speaker 1: ability to tie people up that they'll they'll send you
Speaker 1: the ad guys on Twitter this morning, send me the
Speaker 1: video of him wrestling, you know, Tristan wors Now he
Speaker 1: also people keep spreading that one around worst did beat
Speaker 1: him two out of three times when they wrestled. Apparently,
Speaker 1: yeahs is like the one of the best everybody whatever,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, technically he did meet him, he
Speaker 1: got to wrap his fine. I just want to know,
Speaker 1: is this guy always going to be two ninety two?
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted. If he is, what does that
Speaker 1: do to you? I don't know. Yeah, what if I say, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: he's always gonna be two ninety two, then I know
Speaker 1: what I know. Then I have to play in probably
Speaker 1: a certain way. I know that I know that maybe
Speaker 1: some of the scheme things that I might want to
Speaker 1: do with him having to play against power players, that
Speaker 1: I might have to give him a little bit more
Speaker 1: help than normal. That's all I'm saying. I just I
Speaker 1: just have I just know if he's two ninety two,
Speaker 1: forever you okay, at twenty four, who else is on
Speaker 1: the board of course. See, now you give me a choice.
Speaker 1: Offensive lineman who are gone? Are Neil, Equano, Cross, Kenyan Green,
Speaker 1: Green's gone, Zion Johnson's gone. I'm gonna take away a
Speaker 1: good guard. Let me ask you this, Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, Let me ask you this. The list it is.
Speaker 1: I would tell you can have Zion Johnson if you would,
Speaker 1: would you rather have I would take Lindabam over Johnson? Okay? Um,
Speaker 1: would you take Linderbaum over Jermaine Johnson? Yes, Edge Rusher, Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh not Dean Dean, not Dean or Lloyd Dean. I
Speaker 1: would where you draw the line, Dean and Lloyd. I
Speaker 1: would draw the line. Okay, so you would take Dean
Speaker 1: and Lloyd. But we're not gonna find twenty three guys.
Speaker 1: You would take over him? No, I mean, but but
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I just I just have to know.
Speaker 1: I just have to know. I have to be committed
Speaker 1: to this player. Daxton Hill, Michigan Michigan Safety. I thought
Speaker 1: Dallas would take Daxton Heill. I've said this before. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I thought that Dallas when they thought Linderbaum would be gone. Okay,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Jordan Davis yes, I would take
Speaker 1: him over Jordan Dane. Yeah, for sure, any of the
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Uh, maybe not the Ohio State Wilson. No,
Speaker 1: not Wilson or Williams. No, Okay, you're still good at
Speaker 1: twenty four. Look, there's a lot of ways we can
Speaker 1: be for no Lineman up in Texas. Like you got
Speaker 1: water Burger, there's a barbecue restaurant on every corner. Just no,
Speaker 1: Just know this guy is probably going to be too
Speaker 1: ninety two his whole career, and that's okay. And if
Speaker 1: it's Travis Kelsey, or it's gonna be Jason Jason Kelsey.
Speaker 1: If it's Jason Kelsey and that's the guy you get.
Speaker 1: Hey by all means, I'm just I'm saying this are
Speaker 1: the things you need to know. It's not like he
Speaker 1: goes to school at Hobart and has a terrible weight program.
Speaker 1: You know he's going he goes to a Big ten
Speaker 1: school that has a really good weight program. Now their
Speaker 1: strength coach a little crazy or questionable from back in
Speaker 1: the day was but that's kind of what you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: Just know that you're gonna probably be your guy. Good
Speaker 1: to know we got to six today, we're We're climbing
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the final segment. Of the draft show.
Speaker 1: I am Dave. Actually this isn't this is it's not
Speaker 1: really a discussion, but somebody did ask about comp picks.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys are going to be in line
Speaker 1: for one this year. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: Terrell Basham probably offsets at least one of the guys
Speaker 1: you lost, and then Andy Dalton probably nets you like
Speaker 1: a five if I had to guess. So just file
Speaker 1: that away. I looked it up and I believe that
Speaker 1: to be right. So researching somebody. Actually, I love that
Speaker 1: somebody asked me about the comp pics they can expect
Speaker 1: in twenty three, which I just I love. People are
Speaker 1: always willing to just go down the road. H oh,
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm yeah, I'm comp pick. God, what do
Speaker 1: we got? I'd be good, I'd have some good ones,
Speaker 1: say you'd probably have like I would assume they'll get
Speaker 1: three or four next year, depending on who I mean.
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz likely gets you one. Whichever receivers wind up
Speaker 1: leaving probably get you one, and those are gonna be
Speaker 1: high draft. John Williams might get you one. Connor Williams
Speaker 1: could get you one. Connor Williams is going to get
Speaker 1: some money like Goad, he'll get six seven million years,
Speaker 1: maybe eight yeah, urse maybe yeah, jeron curse. So file
Speaker 1: that away. But I think it's it's only going to
Speaker 1: be one this year, would be my guest. Don't say
Speaker 1: that we're not letting Randy go. But what I wanted
Speaker 1: to get into was a question, like I said, from David,
Speaker 1: and this is what we were going to talk about anyway.
Speaker 1: He wants to know what position of need for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys looks to be the thinnest to you right now.
Speaker 1: And I just kind of want to have a conversation
Speaker 1: about how you feel about the strong points and weak
Speaker 1: points of this class from what you've seen so far,
Speaker 1: just from an outsider's perspective, I gotta be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't think that the draft is top heavy. Well, we've
Speaker 1: talked about that, but I don't have a position so
Speaker 1: far that I'm watching where I don't see options that
Speaker 1: can help you in the second, third round. Like I
Speaker 1: can find you tight ends, I like I can find
Speaker 1: your offensive lineman. I like wide receivers, I like edge guys,
Speaker 1: D tackles. I haven't seen enough linebackers. But it's you
Speaker 1: have WHYTT to first is a first round grade. Uh No,
Speaker 1: I have no first round d tackles. Okay, So see
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Though, I think got a bunch
Speaker 1: of twos to me. If you if you the thing,
Speaker 1: if you're really interested in a center, then you need
Speaker 1: to draft lend to bomb it at twenty four if
Speaker 1: you if you need a tight end, that's probably more
Speaker 1: probably a third round there, unless I don't think they
Speaker 1: would Widermeyer. I don't know from Texas A and M
Speaker 1: if he ends up in the first round, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have a first round tight end myself. You know,
Speaker 1: depending on what you want to do with Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: I think there's some I think there's some good ones though.
Speaker 1: I think odd And at Washington's good. Rucker at at
Speaker 1: Ohio State, McBride at Colorado State, I think are all
Speaker 1: pretty good options there. Um, I'm kind of thinking about,
Speaker 1: like Jeff was talking about the defensive tackle stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's initially very good. I don't have a
Speaker 1: first round defensive tackle, but I would look at Wyatt,
Speaker 1: I would look at uh mathis from from Oklahoma, Bama, Yeah,
Speaker 1: free Winfield, Yeah, Oklahoma. Uh. Logan Hall was a guy
Speaker 1: that was kind of interesting to me at Houston, but
Speaker 1: that was all kind of second round guys. You know,
Speaker 1: the safety thing stretches pretty good for you. I think
Speaker 1: the corner stretch is pretty good. You know, we'll see
Speaker 1: about the you know, unless you get one of these linebackers.
Speaker 1: I have Clark and Chris Harris as my two kind
Speaker 1: of second round inside linebacker guys. And we talked about
Speaker 1: Tindale from Georgia, so I mean where they were there,
Speaker 1: where they need players. I don't think it's terribly bad
Speaker 1: other than the center if you had to get into
Speaker 1: the second or third round. What about edge rusher just
Speaker 1: because I mean it's it's deep. That thing's deep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's deep, but also kind of risky. Right, it's kind
Speaker 1: of how edge works, Like there's a lot of different
Speaker 1: guys every year. Thing, Right, You're not gonna feel great
Speaker 1: about a second round edge guy like, hey, he can
Speaker 1: go start today. I think that would. I think guys
Speaker 1: like my j Sanders from Cincinnati. He could be probably
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth or maybe even longer than they
Speaker 1: maybe the six or seventh guy off the board from
Speaker 1: the edge spot, and he's probably gonna be like a
Speaker 1: late second, early third. He could come in and start
Speaker 1: for you right now. I agree for I completely believe
Speaker 1: in that. I think there are some edge rushers in
Speaker 1: this class that are going to come in and make
Speaker 1: immediate impacts. Maybe not twenty twenty five deep or anything outrageous,
Speaker 1: but I agree with Brian in that fact. I think
Speaker 1: this is a deep edge rusher class that you can
Speaker 1: get some guys not in the first round. We always
Speaker 1: like to think of that. We all kind of liked
Speaker 1: Ojilari and then he goes to the Giants, and you know,
Speaker 1: these guys go to that season, they have they have success.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's funny. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's only two thirty eight or only's only two
Speaker 1: twenty nine whatever, and you're like you kind of ding him,
Speaker 1: and then he get in the game and you're and
Speaker 1: then you're like, going, hot, jeez, I didn't see that
Speaker 1: guy the right way. I kind of feel like this
Speaker 1: is the same group. I think. You know, the South
Speaker 1: Carolina kid was at Agnar heading to U E n
Speaker 1: A g h R E Nagbaria Bari. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: man to me. I like watched him. He was at
Speaker 1: the senior bowled stuff like that. You watch his tape.
Speaker 1: He's got, you know, he's got some qualities to them
Speaker 1: that they're pretty good. Him Cam Thomas at San Diego State.
Speaker 1: Their tape, their tape is a lot better than probably
Speaker 1: what they performed at the Senior Bowl. I say, Ignagbari
Speaker 1: eat nag Bari, and then you've got like Arnold Ebba Kadi. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm curious. And I know Fosky from Notre
Speaker 1: Dame's another one, Drake Jackson from sc SC. We probably
Speaker 1: talk too much about wide receivers sometimes, let's do it. Well,
Speaker 1: you just said earlier in the show that you'll need one.
Speaker 1: You well, but you only have one first round grade
Speaker 1: and that. Yeah, but I'm gonna have fifteen second round grades. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I was That's what I was about to ask.
Speaker 1: Is I mean, we've been on this run for the
Speaker 1: last few years where they're there's four or five six
Speaker 1: receivers going in the first round and there will be
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I bet those guys are going to go
Speaker 1: first yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Twelve first round grade. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of that's first round grade going
Speaker 1: on the first round. I forget, we've already talked about
Speaker 1: this being a class with fewer than normal first round grades.
Speaker 1: But even still, you're kind of painting a picture for
Speaker 1: me where starting at twenty and going to like sixty five,
Speaker 1: where we dance. That's where you're sweet spots. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: where we dance. That's where Sky Moore and George Pickens
Speaker 1: and Chris Lave and Johan Dotson and John Mechi and
Speaker 1: Jalen Tolbert talking about Wandelle Robinson. Wandell Robinson's on the
Speaker 1: back end of that for me, but he's still there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a fun gadget, little speed, quickness. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is a it's a fun watch. Alex Pierce from Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: have not yet need to watch him, need to to
Speaker 1: watch Alex and just let me let me find out.
Speaker 1: Wandale Robinson shifty and is bigger the tall he is,
Speaker 1: he's not. You can't try to watch he's not all right.
Speaker 1: He might be the social discussion. Wandale Robinson is skinny? No,
Speaker 1: you're he is. He is one eighty five. You're right.
Speaker 1: I don't think the tight end class is deep at all.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty thin. Brian mentioned feels like the
Speaker 1: norm at this point to me, but that's a fair assess.
Speaker 1: But go ahead. But Brian said, four names, rutgerd Oughton, Widemeyer, McBride.
Speaker 1: Those are my top four tight ends, only four i've done.
Speaker 1: I'll throw Jake Ferguson in there as well. Likely after that.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I don't love his tape either,
Speaker 1: but I know that it's going to be a top twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah he again, Daniel Jeremiah, I mean his top we
Speaker 1: all look at these guys. Jefford, but he was in
Speaker 1: this likely from where Coastal Carolina, and Jake Ferguson from
Speaker 1: where Wisconsin, Wisconsin. I always like to get the school, yes,
Speaker 1: for sure, But I think outside of those five six names,
Speaker 1: I don't see anything happening until day three. That's that's
Speaker 1: late day three. That does feel normal right where it's
Speaker 1: like there's no first rounder, there's a second rounder. Two
Speaker 1: people will two four people will put people will put
Speaker 1: Widemeyer from Texas A and M the first round at point,
Speaker 1: and I've got him at a second I'm well, I'm
Speaker 1: well aware how in love I was with Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: But unless it's that type of talent, I don't see
Speaker 1: the point to be honest with you like these, I mean,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz, you hate tight ends. I hate overdrafting tight
Speaker 1: ends who don't know how to play the position in
Speaker 1: the NFL and are going to need like two years
Speaker 1: at minimum to get up to speed. DALTI me a freak,
Speaker 1: or give me a jobber. Dalton Schultz was like everybody's
Speaker 1: favorite roster casualty for two years and then he put
Speaker 1: it together, which is fine for a fourth Darwin's undrafted
Speaker 1: free age for a fourth, fifth, sixth round pick, that's great,
Speaker 1: But I ain't trying to get that from my second
Speaker 1: round pick, like I, uh no, thank you, sir, no,
Speaker 1: thank you. There are other positions of need that you
Speaker 1: need to address before you really look at the tight
Speaker 1: end room and say that is a premier player. How
Speaker 1: do you You mentioned d tackle Brian, Like, how do
Speaker 1: you feel is there a sweet spot there in terms
Speaker 1: of like I'm kind of looking at guys like with
Speaker 1: the Davis I think Davis. I mentioned matth I mentioned
Speaker 1: this because Wyatt the questions about we were on Jeff
Speaker 1: and Dane and I were on their day talking about
Speaker 1: Lyle the Texas A and m kid. You know, where
Speaker 1: do you Yeah. See, that's what I'm saying. I mean
Speaker 1: to me, I mentioned Logan Hall. There's probably in that
Speaker 1: second round there's going to be a run on some
Speaker 1: of these defensive tackles, you know, depending, I think there's
Speaker 1: I think there's actually you guys really got me. I
Speaker 1: haven't looked at the Clemson tape, Jeff. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: sending that to me of Travis Jones DT four, but
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like they're better threes than there
Speaker 1: are ones, if that makes sense. Jordan Well really well,
Speaker 1: like DeVante White at Georgia and to Marvin Leel, I
Speaker 1: think are nice threes. Perry On Winfrey with what he
Speaker 1: did at the Senior Boyhoma looks really good like Wyatt
Speaker 1: Hall and Winfrey. Okay, yeah, and I have Haul as
Speaker 1: an edge, but wherever you want to play him, Um like,
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis is a good one. Travis Jones is a
Speaker 1: good one. I think Fedarian Matthis at Alabama's Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think matthis is going to surprise some folk. I think
Speaker 1: there's a decent chance that maybe a D tackle goes
Speaker 1: before the Cowboys pick, and maybe not, and that maybe
Speaker 1: five go before you pick again. That's what I think
Speaker 1: could happen maybe more than that. How do you all
Speaker 1: feel about I'm interested cornerback. We've talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about it. It's I mean, there's always going to be
Speaker 1: guys at the top of the draft because of the
Speaker 1: importance of the position, But how do you rate it
Speaker 1: later on? And then on top of that, how do
Speaker 1: you rate it for the Cowboys knowing that they just
Speaker 1: put two guys in the pipeline last spring? I would
Speaker 1: I would keep an eye on the guys with length
Speaker 1: and I mentioned I mentioned Emerson from Mississippi State, these
Speaker 1: long rangey kind of guy. Did you watch ENTI I'm
Speaker 1: laughing because I loved I always love the little corners,
Speaker 1: like two favorite corners in this class or Trent McDuffie
Speaker 1: at Washington YEA and Roger McCreary at Auburn. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: one and two in my rankings. One thing I know
Speaker 1: about it to watch the little guys. The Washington Huskies
Speaker 1: are going to put out some badass dbs that the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys don't want to look at. That's what it
Speaker 1: always seems like that. But man, I kind of like
Speaker 1: Trent mcduffee might be the best corner in this draft.
Speaker 1: I love Elam and mcduffy. Elam from Florida. Mcduffey, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon's teammate's pretty good too, pretty good. Yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: as good as me. But mcduffey just jumps off the
Speaker 1: screen because he has the movement skills, the five ten
Speaker 1: or five eleven guy where it's just like holy cow,
Speaker 1: his ability to change direction, stop at the top of routes.
Speaker 1: It's it's goofy. The Kendrick kid at Georgia. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys have seen him at all. Clemson receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a good little player. And I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Another one that I was trying to kind of figure out.
Speaker 1: Take a peek at Marcus Jones from Houston. This kid's
Speaker 1: five eight, one eighty five basically, and he's one of
Speaker 1: the best returnment in the country five nine, excuse me,
Speaker 1: one eighty five. Was watching him cover somebody this morning
Speaker 1: when I was watching a receiver. Maybe it was Calvin
Speaker 1: Austin at Memphis. He might This kid might be one
Speaker 1: of the most dynamic players in the country when you
Speaker 1: look at his overall in the way he plays, how
Speaker 1: physical he is and stuff. Like I was wondering why
Speaker 1: one of the little quick and fast wide receivers I
Speaker 1: was watching get open, And I actually googled this morning,
Speaker 1: who's number eight at Houston. Yeah, that's Marcus Jones. He
Speaker 1: transfers from Troy to Houston. And I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: even just Troy tape, I went and just say, I
Speaker 1: gotta look at this guy some more, big, I asked.
Speaker 1: I asked one of my gang of seven guys, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, there's this five nine corner at Hughes
Speaker 1: and the immediately went's Marcus Jones. Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones.
Speaker 1: So if you have an opportunity, can't take a peek.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, but this guy, when you watch him,
Speaker 1: he won the SMU game this year, Like SMU kicked
Speaker 1: the ball to him and he brought it back with
Speaker 1: him on the kickoff return. He's one of the most
Speaker 1: punt kickoff return He could cover on the outside, he
Speaker 1: could cover in the slot. But he's five nine, and
Speaker 1: I don't think these guys will look at him. But
Speaker 1: it's just in the spirit of the draft show. And
Speaker 1: now let me give another guy to Kyler Gordon at
Speaker 1: a Washington you mentioned all those Washington corners. Very sneak.
Speaker 1: They have a very sneaky case for DBU. They don't
Speaker 1: get the love they've been on that one for sure. Taylor.
Speaker 1: Look we're Martin Emerson. We're getting into the weeds here.
Speaker 1: We're a month and a half in. I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: This was fun, guys. I'll see you all Thursday for
Speaker 1: sounds good for Jeff, Brian Kyle. Check about YouTube page.
Speaker 1: I'm Dave. Check out Jefs YouTube page. Wednesday, we have
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