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Speaker 1: Taylor, folks, got a question for you on this episode today.

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Speaker 1: Are you team Taylor? Are you team Whitney? And if

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Speaker 1: you don't know what I'm talking about right now, you

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Speaker 1: are out of the loop or under a rock. Tayler folks,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. Sitting

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Speaker 1: next to me, Robes, we have talked to several people

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Speaker 1: the last couple days we said we are interviewing the

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Speaker 1: women from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. What has

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Speaker 1: been the reaction we've gotten from everybody? Universal?

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Speaker 2: My gosh, I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 3: And you know this show has been out not even

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Speaker 3: for a full week, correct, and it's already it's number

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Speaker 3: one on Hulu.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's talking about it.

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Speaker 3: I was excited to have a reason for research purposes

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Speaker 3: to have to watch the show, and that's all I've

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Speaker 3: been doing for us.

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Speaker 1: In all seriousness, Were you really trying to find a

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Speaker 1: way to make an excuse for why you needed to

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Speaker 1: watch it because you felt like I should I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be watching.

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Speaker 2: That type of thing, aren't you know? The answer is absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I watched ninety eight Beyonce Married at First Sight, Love Island,

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Speaker 3: Love is Blind Full disclosure.

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Speaker 2: I love some reality.

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Speaker 1: So let's be honest, full disclosure here. I watch plenty

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Speaker 1: of those with you. This one is different for a

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Speaker 1: very specific reason that we'll get into. But right now

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Speaker 1: we need to welcome into the studio folks. They are

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Speaker 1: sitting right here in front of us, two ladies who

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Speaker 1: are looking for tickets to the Book of Mormons. If

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Speaker 1: you have them on Broadway, they would appreciate. With Taylor Freaky,

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Speaker 1: Paul Macy Neely, Welcome, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to guys.

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Speaker 4: You guys are entertaining to listen to. I love your voices.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 5: You're the news background.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yes, decades of training yea, So okay, with

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Speaker 1: We're going to get right to it. So tell us

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Speaker 1: season two. Is it confirmed? Is it happening?

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Speaker 5: It's not confirmed, but I have a feeling.

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Speaker 4: We hope, yeah, but we don't know anything.

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Speaker 2: Do you know when you'll know? Have they given you

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Speaker 6: If I think if it's happening, it'll be here very soon,

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Speaker 6: I think, But I guess, I guess we're not the

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Speaker 1: Know good hell, well, this thing is getting renewed. Is

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Speaker 1: there anybody show a hands in the room who thinks

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Speaker 1: this is not? Of course is getting renewed, but it's

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Speaker 1: a congratulations. And the question what has life looked like since?

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Speaker 1: And again it's only what you say of.

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Speaker 2: Six days or something. It's like four, Oh yeah, well

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Speaker 2: was it Friday?

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Speaker 5: Came out Friday?

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Speaker 1: Wow, as we sit here, you're only a few days in.

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Speaker 1: How has life changed even in the matter of days

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Speaker 4: Hasn't hit us?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it like hasn't hit us yet.

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Speaker 7: I think that what's changed, just like all the comments

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Speaker 5: I don't know nationwide. Yeah, it's like weird.

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Speaker 6: No, I get it came out Friday I spent so

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Speaker 5: It it is? I mean it's pretty good.

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Speaker 7: I think it's hard when you watch yourself in it,

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Speaker 7: I was like, this almost seems like a highlight reel

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Speaker 3: I was talking to TJ about it. You know, it

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Speaker 5: Yes and no.

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Speaker 1: For sure, Why are you giggling?

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Speaker 1: You immediately reacted to what she said.

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Speaker 6: Why, it's just funny, Like I guess now the girls

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's starting to happen right now behind the scenes,

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Speaker 6: Funny, like it's just the people you don't think. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: Yes, is it irreparable though irreparable harm that's being done

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Speaker 6: Past and for me, things that will take time. Like

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen the show, so I don't know if.

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Speaker 4: But we'll just be straight up Whitney right now, you know,

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Speaker 6: And so I feel like I was saying this earlier,

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Speaker 2: Is it true that everyone has unfollowed Whitney.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know. It's hard.

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Speaker 4: I'm only going to be here for her.

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Speaker 1: Have you all reached out? Have you all tried? Is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I sul I'm here for you no matter what.

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Speaker 1: But is there back and forth? It's just kind of

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Speaker 7: I mean I reached out to her and she han't respond,

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Speaker 2: To Taylor, And she responded to you, Taylor.

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Speaker 6: She did, and she like kind of just broke her

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Speaker 3: It's interesting you point out and we have a little

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Speaker 7: As if yet not Yeah, I mean towards the end

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Speaker 5: But if they saw it wasn't cut.

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Speaker 4: She'll no, I'm just kidding. She's a good friend. So

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't say I'm like a natural villain, Like I

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Speaker 7: I'm just kidding, No, But I I just like love

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Speaker 7: can't we all just like be friends?

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Speaker 5: Like how hard is it to get along? Like I

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Speaker 2: Apparently it's really hard.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I understand because like you have eight strong,

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Speaker 7: so there's bound to be conflicts, right, like this is natural.

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Speaker 1: And please know when I asked, we're only three episodes in.

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Speaker 1: I know who're interview. Got Taylor, got Mace, and I

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Speaker 1: which one is Macy's Again, she said She's Switzerland. That's

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Speaker 3: I've been able to go back and forth with two

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Speaker 1: By the way, But she suggested that that might have

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Speaker 1: this episode talking about Team Whitney, your team, it seems

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's opening people's eyes.

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Speaker 7: no church leaders have reached ouf. They posted a statement

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Speaker 7: before the show came out, and I think it was

441
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,320
Speaker 7: more just because everyone was freaking out onlines. I'l like

442
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,639
Speaker 7: they had to post something, you know, but like everyone

443
00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,400
Speaker 7: was just chudging a book by its cover, Like when

444
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,800
Speaker 7: you watch the show, like it's not like a documentary

445
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,679
Speaker 7: on like Mormons right, like, it's not like that, and

446
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,520
Speaker 7: so I think, yeah, like people were just judging a

447
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,879
Speaker 7: book by its cover and no one's reached out to me.

448
00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 7: Actually someone reached out because I wasn't at church on Sunday,

449
00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,719
Speaker 7: like this, want to make sure you're doing okay, Like

450
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,440
Speaker 7: I thought it was because of the show that Alec

451
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,600
Speaker 7: wasn't coming, But I was just like, kind of sex.

452
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 7: I was like, no, that's not the problem. I'm like,

453
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 7: I'm good, I'm coming. I don't care what you say.

454
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,840
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, That's what I alluded to at the top

455
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 1: of why this show was different. There are plenty of

456
00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,160
Speaker 1: the housewives and reality this and that that put people together,

457
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 1: and you know what you're going to expect, you're going

458
00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:20,920
Speaker 1: to They're going to put them together. They're going to

459
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 1: take a trip, they're going to put some alcohol, they're

460
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,720
Speaker 1: going to go to lunch, and it's going to be

461
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,479
Speaker 1: an explosion. The thing about this story this that's different,

462
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,359
Speaker 1: and there is some of that minus the alcohol. I

463
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,360
Speaker 1: suppose there's some alcohol. There's some alcohol.

464
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that causes some of the problems, just the fact

465
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Speaker 3: that they're being there are there is alcohol there.

466
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 1: But it makes I'm curious about how the Mormon faith

467
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,399
Speaker 1: plays into your life. I have a curiosity sitting on

468
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 1: the edge of my seat watching you all, not because

469
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 1: I want to see a fight, but because I'm curious

470
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,160
Speaker 1: of how you incorporate your day and day, your relationships,

471
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,720
Speaker 1: your your marriages, your kids, how that blends with your

472
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Speaker 1: Mormon faith. And so my question, I guess is do

473
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 1: you find it good and bad? You're showing a side

474
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 1: of the Mormon faith that people didn't say, Oh, they're

475
00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 1: normal just like me. Yeah, that's a good thing.

476
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

477
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 1: But on the other side of that is they're showing

478
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: the Mormon faith and go, oh, that's how they are.

479
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 1: So it seems like it's a double sided coin.

480
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

481
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Speaker 7: I think for me, I love that we could all

482
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 7: show like where we're at, because I'm like, I want

483
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 7: other people, especially people who are making Mormon or maybe

484
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 7: don't feel like they're enough because they're not following the

485
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,919
Speaker 7: rules or the guidelembs to a tea. I want them

486
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 7: to build the watch and relate and be like, oh,

487
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 7: so like I don't I can swear and be Mormon. Oh,

488
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 7: like I don't have I could do get coffee and

489
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 7: still go to church and be Mormon like that's I

490
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 7: think what we wanted out of it is like no

491
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 7: one's perfect and people are still doing things, but they're

492
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,959
Speaker 7: not like they're not like us admitting it and so like,

493
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 7: and I think there's like we just want to get

494
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 7: rid of that guilt and shame feeling for people who

495
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,920
Speaker 7: maybe feel like us and like I was. I say

496
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 7: this so many times where people are gonna say it's

497
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 7: like my whole personality. But I'm from California, and California

498
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 7: culture with Mormons is different. Like I grew up, I

499
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 7: feel fairly normal, like none of my friends are really

500
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 7: Mormon like, so I feel like I have a different

501
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 7: perspective in general, I'm like, this is how Mormons are,

502
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 7: it's like how I am.

503
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 5: But in Utah, the.

504
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 7: Culture is different for sure, and I think it's a

505
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 7: little more I don't want to say judgmental, but it's

506
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 7: a little more to the book, like everyone's mostly following

507
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 7: the guidelines to a tee and it's not like that

508
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,960
Speaker 7: like everywhere else. I feel like mostly Utah, So I

509
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 7: think it's shedding light on like relatability.

510
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 3: I've been to Utah. It is very different than the

511
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: rest of the country.

512
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 2: It certainly is.

513
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Speaker 3: I'm curious you said, Taylor that in Utah people recognize

514
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 3: you and now you're going to probably have a very

515
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: different experience as you venture out. But how have you

516
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 3: been treated? Like do you see the sneers in the

517
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: eye rolls? Do people say things to you based on

518
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 3: just the even the TikTok situation?

519
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: What has your life been like?

520
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like it's been overall in person, everyone

521
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 6: is great, and I think when everything originally came out

522
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 6: on TikTok, I had a like in Target, a girl

523
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 6: was like just so you know, like I got you,

524
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 6: we have your back, we support you. And it was

525
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 6: like a random strang journ. I was like, thank you,

526
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 6: like a church. A girl came up to me after

527
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 6: swinging things you just came out. She's like, I'm just

528
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 6: glad you're here today, and that's when she came. It

529
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 6: was just like things like that. But now we were

530
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 6: at the airport and a girl was like, oh, we

531
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 6: were all dressed.

532
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 4: And the same and it was the cast and.

533
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 5: She was like like, what's going on?

534
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 6: You know when we were telling her were like talking

535
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 6: about the show, and she was like, oh yeah, none

536
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 6: of that, Like you could just tell she was a

537
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 6: Mormon and like heard about the show and already was

538
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 6: just like none of that. And then all of us

539
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 6: were like just like kind of shocked by her reaction,

540
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 6: and like to me, she was like, we all lived differently,

541
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 6: we all make mistakes and that's okay. Like was very

542
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 6: like firm back to her, and she's like, you know what,

543
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 6: I apologize. You're right, Like I think just like hearing it,

544
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 6: and she was like she hurt herself, like, oh, I'm sorry,

545
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 6: I apologize, And so that was kind of cool to

546
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 6: witness that conversation.

547
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 4: And but.

548
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 6: I haven't noticed it other than that, but I'm sure

549
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 6: we'll get it now, especially because she hadn't seen the show, right,

550
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 6: and they're they're going off just the title and the

551
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 6: trailer and they're like, that is not us.

552
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 7: And they usually don't say it to your face, they

553
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 7: say it behind your back.

554
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 5: The good I wasn't there for that. I dang, I'm

555
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 5: mad I missed that, Taylor.

556
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: I have another question for you. This is just my curiosity.

557
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 3: How do a group of Mormon couples even start a

558
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 3: conversation or even entertain the idea of this soft swinging?

559
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: Like where does that come in, does someone bring it up?

560
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 3: Is it like, I'm just curious how something that like

561
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: that begins in that group set it.

562
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Speaker 4: I think it was curiosity for everybody. So I've talked

563
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Speaker 4: about it before.

564
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 6: They didn't do what you normal people do in their

565
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 6: college fun years, right, They got married and for their

566
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 6: first everyone was each other's first, right like.

567
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Speaker 4: In most of them.

568
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 6: Me, I won't speak for myself in that situation, and

569
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 6: I also did party my younger years, so I had

570
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 6: experienced that type of life. For them, I think it

571
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 6: was all new. And even for my ex, his first

572
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 6: time drinking was twenty eight years old, twenty nine, and

573
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 6: so I feel like it was like this thing that

574
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 6: we like started to drink and that was fun and

575
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 6: it was cool, and then it was like and then

576
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 6: it just another step was the boys like girls should kiss,

577
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 6: and I did that in my young year, so I

578
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 6: was like, okay, like whatever, let's kisslet's be. It was

579
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 6: just like dumb stuff, like high school stuff, and then

580
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 6: it was like, let's play spin the bottle, and it progresses.

581
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 4: It's all basically.

582
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 6: Games you play in high school and college that they

583
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 6: didn't experience with other people, and so it led from yeah, that,

584
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 6: and then it was everyone's blindfolding each other, making out

585
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 6: with everyone and then touching everyone, and it was just

586
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 6: like love Island games.

587
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Speaker 4: Honestly they call it.

588
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: Yes we're familiar, but it's like all that maybe even

589
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to put words, but like all that

590
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: repression maybe or you can't or you shouldn't or don't,

591
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: so you end up having like teenage years in your

592
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: late twenties.

593
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Speaker 6: And it was fun because we had been married for

594
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Speaker 6: like six world. Oh I've been married only six years,

595
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 6: and so it's like you're kind of at that time

596
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 6: of like just like little bored. I would say, like

597
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 6: I hate to admit it, but bored. And so it

598
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 6: was like spicing things up. And the guy saw They're like,

599
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,479
Speaker 6: this is spicing up our wives, Like hell yeah. And

600
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 6: so it was never with like ill intention. It was

601
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 6: more just like that's fun.

602
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 4: My spouse is right here.

603
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 6: We're not doing anything wrong, like we were on the

604
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 6: same page. It didn't feel bad in the moment. You

605
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,479
Speaker 6: look at it now and it's like it's ruined all

606
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 6: of our lives. Everyone's divorced, the kids are going back

607
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 6: and forth to houses. It's like ruined our lives, you know,

608
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 6: But at the time it wasn't. We didn't feel bad

609
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 6: and so it was never a conversation. It just like happened.

610
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 7: It's funny because when I heard about it, I was like,

611
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 7: this is something you do in college. It's like, this

612
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 7: is a college exploratory phase, Like why are we doing

613
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 7: like why were we doing this as like married adults,

614
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 7: I mean, each to their own. But when I first

615
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 7: heard it, like, this sounds like something you do in college,

616
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 7: like when you're like getting your little.

617
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 6: Woll And when I hear some of the people involved

618
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 6: talk about it, they're like, yeah, we were just kids.

619
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 6: Like we're all thirty almost thirty year olds old, we're

620
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 6: not kids, like what they're.

621
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: Kids in terms of experiences, right, yes, but this was

622
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: but this was a one off. This was a one

623
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 1: This wasn't like a lifestyle if you will, I use

624
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: that in air quarts, but this isn't something that continues.

625
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: It was the one off experimental.

626
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: Well.

627
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even use the word swinger.

628
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 6: I mean I feel like I did, but like going back,

629
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 6: I said soft swinging and that wasn't even my term

630
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 6: I made up.

631
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I soft swinging is that clearly defined that everybody understands.

632
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: To be a full on swinger.

633
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 6: Ever, it was soft swinging, and someone told me that

634
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 6: what we're doing with soft swing?

635
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: Okay, so I said, And how long did it go

636
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: on before it started to unravel?

637
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: Folks?

638
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 6: A year with a couple and then with the other

639
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 6: couples involved.

640
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 4: I feel like it all blew up within two months.

641
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Again, I haven't done a deep enough dive,

642
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: have you that to hear the relationships and marriages were impacted.

643
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: All of them.

644
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 4: Everyone was divorced.

645
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: By it being revealed or just by it happening.

646
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: I think all of it.

647
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, like it happening and the fairs involved and issues, Yeah,

648
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 6: I would call it just we opened our relationship up

649
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 6: and it went bad. I wouldn't even call us, I

650
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 6: mean swingers at this point, Like, yes, that's what we're

651
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 6: known for. But like I would say, it was just

652
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 6: an experienced, like open relationship.

653
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: What do you want to be known for now?

654
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 3: And as this is, we're all now consuming the season

655
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 3: and hopefully there'll be a second season. What do you

656
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 3: all hope comes from this? And what do you want

657
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: from putting this all out there?

658
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to say.

659
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Speaker 7: I think, like, well, the goal with the show, I

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Speaker 7: think for us is like relatability. We want people to

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Speaker 7: relate and to be inspired maybe from like we all

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00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 7: have very interesting backstories, and you don't see that all

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Speaker 7: in the season one. We're hoping with like future seasons

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Speaker 7: you can see how we really are where we came

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Speaker 7: from deep down. And I think that everyone even more

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Speaker 7: so can relate to us because we all have interesting stories.

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Speaker 7: So I think that's the goal and the hope is

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Speaker 7: that we can share more of our lives and hopefully

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Speaker 7: impact people and you know, further our careers. Of course,

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Speaker 7: Like why would you do being reality show if you

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Speaker 7: like didn't want to.

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Speaker 5: Further your career. I guess yeah.

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Speaker 6: For me, I feel like, yeah, it was a big

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Speaker 6: It was an opportunity to obviously tell my story rather

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Speaker 6: than my headline. Yes, that is something I did. That's

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Speaker 6: not something I want to be known for, Like I

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00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 6: don't want that headline. It was a mistake, a lesson learned,

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Speaker 6: and I feel like this was my opportunity to come

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Speaker 6: tell my story and that's not me anymore. Like I

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Speaker 6: feel like I've grown from that. I don't want ever

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Speaker 6: that in my life again, and yeah, this was a

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Speaker 6: chance to just like and also show rock bottom, like

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Speaker 6: I went through another year of stuff and that you

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Speaker 6: can come out of it. And it's like we've all

685
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Speaker 6: hit a low spot and I feel like you can

686
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Speaker 6: either choose one way to go dig yourself deeper and

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Speaker 6: come out of it, you know, so just gave me.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I and everyone, no matter who you think you are

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Speaker 3: or where you are in life or everyone, gets to

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Speaker 3: a point where you hit that moment and then you

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Speaker 3: get the empathy and you get the wisdom, yes, and

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Speaker 3: you learn how to make things better.

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Speaker 2: And that's how we go through it. So we appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's been entertaining, but I do think there

696
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Speaker 3: are lessons in there and this is real stuff that

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Speaker 3: people don't talk about, and you guys are showing us,

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Speaker 3: so we appreciate.

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Speaker 1: We can't say it enough. Look, we've been through our

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Speaker 1: own types of hell, but it causes us to see

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Speaker 1: a show, even as entertaining and as trashy as some

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Speaker 1: I might try to describe it as we saw you

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Speaker 1: all as human beings first, and to see you all

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Speaker 1: sitting in this room, now, that is the first thing

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Speaker 1: we see We don't see characters on a show. You

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Speaker 1: all are just two human beings who made mistakes like

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Speaker 1: everybody else. And I have my eleven year old at

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Speaker 1: lunch at middle school right now. I told her you

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Speaker 1: all had arrived. She said, send me a pick.

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Speaker 2: Starts.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying, I'm saying Sabine doesn't come here, she's

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Speaker 1: not that interested. But I'm saying the impact you all

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Speaker 1: are having for even that kid, and for us and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, the impact you all are having

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Speaker 1: is enormous. What it ultimately ends up being, who knows,

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Speaker 1: but it's still we love to see a human story

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Speaker 1: and a comeback story and real, y, real folks. So

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Speaker 1: we're saying that from the bottom of our hearts and.

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Speaker 6: Honored to be on Like especially you guys have been

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Speaker 6: through your own stuff and you can maybe relate in

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Speaker 6: a sense of.

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Speaker 3: Like we can. Yeah, we can. We know what it's

723
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Speaker 3: like to be vilified and relate.

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Speaker 1: To the swinging stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yea, oh no, I mean, I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Being being the villain in anyone's story is a

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Speaker 3: really tough place to be, but it makes you better

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Speaker 3: and it makes you stronger in the end. So congratulations

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Speaker 3: on the wild success that you are experiencing.

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Speaker 2: And we hope for reconciliation, you know.

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Speaker 3: We we hope Whitney comes back and we get more,

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Speaker 3: and we we we're going to finish the season.

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Speaker 2: I might be done by tonight. Actually need to thank you.

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Speaker 5: All, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: Bocations, The int