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Speaker 1: Hello folks, and happy Saturday to you. This week's Selects

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Speaker 1: episode is my pick. This is Chuck by the Way,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to go with do people really run

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Speaker 1: off to join the French Foreign Legion or more typically said,

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Speaker 1: do people really run off to join the French Foreign Legion?

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Speaker 1: Is from March seventh, twenty thirteen, and honestly I picked

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Speaker 1: this one because it was kind of a cool episode

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Speaker 1: that I didn't know much about the French Foreign Legion

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Speaker 1: aside from those supercowl hats that you get when you

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Speaker 1: sign up, and people do really run off to join

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Speaker 1: the French Foreign Legion. That's the spoiler. So check it

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Speaker 1: out and enjoy. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark and there's twelves will be Chuck Bryant, which

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Speaker 1: makes this Stuff you Should Know The Lightning Quick Edition?

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Speaker 1: Is this Lightning Quick? Yes? Because of lightning? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have a like tornadoes and stuff coming in, so

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Speaker 1: it's like holding out at the Okay Corral as the

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Speaker 1: storm rolls in. But well, we'd also like to get

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Speaker 1: out of the Okay Corral before the storm was getting here,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the point. Yeah, you were saying there

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Speaker 1: was a tornado flipping cars on like seventy five up

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Speaker 1: north apparently. And I know my dog Buckley is at

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Speaker 1: home just waiting to pee all over the place when

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Speaker 1: the thunderstarts. So if I can be there and hold him,

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Speaker 1: he's fine. The French Foreign Legion, chuck, um. They are

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Speaker 1: a fighting force, a military fighting force that one young

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Speaker 1: man by the name of Jean Claude van dam ran

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Speaker 1: off and joined. Did he really in the movies? Crap?

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Speaker 1: I got you. It totally got me. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I never knew. Can you imagine? No, he was? It

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Speaker 1: was in the movies. He wasn't really a legionaire. It's

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Speaker 1: a bummer. What movie was it? I think legion? Was

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Speaker 1: there a movie called Legion or Legionaire? Never heard of it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a he's a legionaire. He can he is?

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Speaker 1: Actually you can tell. Well, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that there are that many like big fans, but I'll

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Speaker 1: bet his big fans are like like big time John

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Speaker 1: Claude van Daman, Oh yes, um, like Steven Seagal's fans probably, yeah, probably,

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Speaker 1: so just a hardcore you know yeah. Um, but you

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Speaker 1: could tell that John Claude van Dam was in this

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Speaker 1: movie because he's wearing a hat with a little cape

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Speaker 1: in the back. Yeah. The KP is that what it's called. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: spelled k EPI pronounced kpe. And they still wear those

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's a it's a tradition that

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Speaker 1: is still true today. The little flat cap very stiff

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Speaker 1: and rigid. Ye. And uh, they don't always have the capes,

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Speaker 1: you know, when they're out where they need them, they will. Well.

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Speaker 1: The reason that they would have them is because for

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Speaker 1: the better part of two centuries, the French Foreign Legion

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Speaker 1: was stationed in Algeria. Yeah. Uh. And the reason they

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Speaker 1: were stationed there is because that's where their headquarters were

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Speaker 1: almost from the moment of inception of this um, this

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Speaker 1: military group. Yeah. And the reason they were stay they're

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Speaker 1: from inception was because they were a bunch of ne'er

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Speaker 1: do well criminals in many cases, and so they're like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you guys are great and you're super tough.

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Speaker 1: Let's move you to Algeria. Yeah, to help our colonization

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Speaker 1: efforts and get you out of France. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the history first? Yeah, well today, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about today just for one second. Over there are

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Speaker 1: seven thousand, two hundred and eighty six Legionnaires as of

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Speaker 1: December of last year to twenty twelve and to the date,

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Speaker 1: to the date, to this date, uh, thirty five thousand

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Speaker 1: have died in battle over the years. I saw that,

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Speaker 1: which is not that bad. But it's a small group,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're seven thousand isn't much, right, and they

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Speaker 1: seen more continuous action than any other. Oh really, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they fight constantly. They've been fighting constantly. Well, and they're

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Speaker 1: bad dudes. Yeah, like they're they even say in this article.

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Speaker 1: And they're well known to be much tougher than the

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Speaker 1: regular French army, right because they're not well they're actually

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Speaker 1: I don't know much that has to do with it,

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Speaker 1: They've been in just about every conflict that the French

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Speaker 1: know that the French Foreign Legion invaded Mexico in eighteen

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Speaker 1: they're finally beaten back. No, I didn't know. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: You don't see much French stuff pop up in Mexico

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Speaker 1: you know, or Indos. Yeah? Why s k okay? So

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Speaker 1: start out how these guys start? Well? In uh eighteen thirty, Josh,

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Speaker 1: we tell you a little story about a guy named

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Speaker 1: King Louis Philippe. Okay, Uh, it's known as the July Revolution.

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Speaker 1: after the Bourbon monarchy fell, and this was Parisian radicals

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Speaker 1: because of radicalism, these radicals were some tough guys, and

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Speaker 1: but maybe they were bad guys. Well. The King Louis

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Speaker 1: Philippe thought that they were a threat to the monarchy

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Speaker 1: these radicals, and it had attracted radicals from all over Europe,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of them were very soldier like yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he was like or former soldiers period, and he said,

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Speaker 1: with you. I can't legally make you a part of

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Speaker 1: the French army. Yeah, so how about I just make

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Speaker 1: he laid out his eight articles and pretty much that

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Speaker 1: then included in that chuck was one that said that

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Speaker 1: up to the commandant's discretion. Yeah. That it reminded me

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Speaker 1: of like how they'll be a paragraph and a legal

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Speaker 1: about all that, right, So basically, yeah, we need all

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Speaker 1: in French. And it says that you can join the

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Speaker 1: You're leaving your old identity behind. And that's a really strange,

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Speaker 1: unusual aspect of the Legion that still exists today. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it was mandatory until just a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: Until twenty ten, you had to sign up under a

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Speaker 1: it's just not mandatory any longer. No, But a lot

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Speaker 1: That's one of the things that the French Foreign Legion

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Speaker 1: touts when you when you join, it's that we're a

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Speaker 1: place you can have a second chance. Yeah, forget your past,

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Speaker 1: even forget your name. Minor criminal records. I mean back

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Speaker 1: a little more selective and they'll overlook like a minor

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Speaker 1: things like that. Right, And for a very long time,

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Speaker 1: they would accept nothing, no one but foreign nationals. You

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Speaker 1: couldn't be French and join the French Foreign Legion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could join the army, but not the foreign Legion. Right.

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Speaker 1: They recently changed that, so you can be French and

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Speaker 1: enjoin it, right, Yeah, And you can gain your French

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Speaker 1: it under your declared name. Right. And you're talking about

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Speaker 1: it's such a weird name for name change. It really is,

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Speaker 1: you for the first year. It's definitely harder than the

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Speaker 1: you're married and you join the French Foreign Legion, you

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Speaker 1: would imagine if you run off to the French Foreign Legion,

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Speaker 1: or you're not married. Yeah, this good point. They're probably

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Speaker 1: not of like already married men. Doesn't seem like a

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to deny your existence and change my name,

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Speaker 1: but it's really worth it because I want to be

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Speaker 1: a legionnaire and where and where the kp right and

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Speaker 1: gain the respect of the French. You think I'm just kidding, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what's funny is they are I read an article.

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Speaker 1: There's an article in the December twenty twelve Vanity Fair

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Speaker 1: called the Expendables. That's pretty interesting. It's about the French

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Speaker 1: Foreign Legion what they're doing now. Yeah, I saw some

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Speaker 1: of that. You remember in our gold episode talked about

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Speaker 1: out to green Berets Delta Delta Force. Thank you, Donado,

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