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Speaker 1: What's up. This is Michael Rapp. Where you are now

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Speaker 1: listening to the I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast. On today's

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Speaker 1: I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast, Peter, Yes, Peter, you know

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Speaker 1: the Rocky Chronicles. The I Am Rappaport Stereo Podcast. Rocky

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Speaker 1: Chronicle start today with the perfect guest who exceeded my expectation.

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Speaker 1: Paul Sheer. You know who Paul Sheers? You know the actor.

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Speaker 1: He's funny as fun He was on the League the

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Speaker 1: entire time he's been on Veep. He's an actor. You

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Speaker 1: know who he is. He's the fucking funny guy with

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Speaker 1: no fear. The Iron Rapports Stereo podcast is here. My

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Speaker 1: name is Michael rapp Report a k. The Greno Main

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Speaker 1: La Mata of podcasting. I'm very very hyped up. I

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Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you. Oh, my my feelings, my thoughts,

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Speaker 1: my emotions have been all over the damn place today,

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Speaker 1: all over the place today. Um, I'll just jump into it. UM.

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Speaker 1: I don't share these kinds of things often on the

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Speaker 1: podcast because I don't know. I'd like to keep some

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Speaker 1: a lot. I feel like I share a lot, sometimes

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Speaker 1: too too much. Um. But the nature of show business

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Speaker 1: and I have quoted him, it should be called business show.

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Speaker 1: So today, once again I had to fire my agents.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not gonna say where I was, I'm not

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Speaker 1: rest of them were, uh, they were fun boys. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the little twerps, bye bye, fuck oh, I'll see you later. Fucko.

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Speaker 1: You you're representing the gringo man Dingo. You should wake

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Speaker 1: Poli's the sandwich place, the next time you go in there,

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Speaker 1: last night I did stand up comedy. I had a

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Speaker 1: I will be back on both of those shows Christmas

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Speaker 1: the day after Christmas, the twenty six, and I specifically

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Speaker 1: the fuck up. Peter put out a hole uh slew

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Speaker 1: it's become unacceptable to use certain racists and homophobic phrases

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Speaker 1: and language, we should also stop using phrases and sayings

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Speaker 1: that are trivialized the cruelty to animals. For instance, this

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Speaker 1: is some of the dumbest shit ever. Peter, come out

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Speaker 1: you're comparing racist and homophobic language. Two sayings like kill

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Speaker 1: two birds with one stone. They're saying, don't say kill

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Speaker 1: changing history. It's not literal. It's a saying. Instead of saying,

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Speaker 1: feelings about, we're an Ohio man. Uh father of a

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Speaker 1: ten year old daughter, um Apparently his daughter had been

421
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: bullying other kids and other girls at school, so instead

422
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: of driving his ten year old daughter to school, he

423
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: followed behind her in his car so she wasn't alone

424
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Speaker 1: while she walked five miles to school and thirty six

425
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: degree whether after she got suspended from the bus for

426
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: bullying other students, and people were all up in their feelings.

427
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: They're saying that the father is now bullying the kid,

428
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, how could you do this? She

429
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: wasn't in harm's way. He just made her walk while

430
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: he followed behind her in her car and uh videotaped

431
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: some of this. Um, the whole thing went viral. La la,

432
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: la la. This guy is a good father. This guy

433
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: is a caring father. Everybody wants to complain about bullying, bullying,

434
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: anti bullying. Peter wants to complain about Pete Davidson wants

435
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: to complain that Ariana Grande's fourteen year old fans are

436
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: bullying him. No bullying, No bullying, and no bullying. We've

437
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: been talking about this ship for the last two years.

438
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Dick Stain, Donald Trump, He's a bully. He

439
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: bullied Hi, Hillary Clinton. Everybody's bull the bully, bully, no bullying.

440
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: So this father sees that this could potentially be a

441
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: problem with his daughter and certain people certainly. Well, now

442
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: he's teaching his daughter that bullying is okay because he's

443
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: bullying his daughter. No, dumb fox, He's not bullying his daughter.

444
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: He's raising his daughter. He's trying to teach his daughter

445
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: a lesson. It's not acceptable. Sometimes you gotta tighten the

446
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: fucking reins on kids. Now, you could do what you

447
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: want as a parent, but this is obviously based on

448
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: what we know. Uninvolved, caring, thoughtful father. Okay, now, I'm

449
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you about something. My father should

450
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: have kicked my ass more often when I was a kid. Yes,

451
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of it. Now. I might not be

452
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: the freethinking, ship talking maven now out of a man

453
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: that I am now if he had beat the ship

454
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: out of me like I deserve, for taunting my brother

455
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: all day every day, for getting kicked out of the

456
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: third grade, for getting kicked out of a school every

457
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: single year, and so I graduated the twelfth grade. I

458
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: got kicked out of a school every year from the

459
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: third to the eleventh grade, every fucking year. I don't

460
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: know what I would do with my kids if they

461
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: did that ship. Okay, My father my mother was patient,

462
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: were patient with me. Okay, But I could have used

463
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: a couple of more ass kickings than I got. Okay,

464
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: I would have definitely been putting that smack down on me.

465
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: If I was my father, I was out of fucking

466
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: at his smart mouth, and I was just a general

467
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: pain in the fucking ass. Now, this guy obviously wants

468
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 1: to stop this and nip this in the butt. Now

469
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: if his ten year old daughter, Now, when his ten

470
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: year old daughter gets back on the bus to school,

471
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: I guarantee you she will not bully another student. Lesson learned.

472
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: She will never forget this. Also because ship went viral,

473
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: ha ha. But you can't see your face, but this

474
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: is a This is a loving, caring father. You think

475
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: it's bullying, mind your business. This guy's trying to raise

476
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: a thoughtful, responsible, caring, fair, respectful child, and he's doing

477
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: the best he can to do so, so mind your business.

478
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: He's not abusing, he's not doing anything wrong, doing the

479
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: best he can. There's no there's no h instruction manual

480
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to parenting. It's like a seventy thousand

481
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzle that you get three pieces together in another

482
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: two year old toddler accidentally kicks it and you gotta

483
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: startle over again. There is no roadmap to being a

484
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: good parent. Now, heading into two thousand nineteen, we are

485
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: going to do a remix. We are going to do

486
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: a remix on the sick Fuck of the Week theme song. Okay,

487
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna reimagine it. Um. We'll be debuting in the

488
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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. Of course, by the end of two

489
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Speaker 1: thousand eighteen, we will be announcing the the Sweet sixteen,

490
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Speaker 1: and then the six six and then finally the Sickest

491
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Speaker 1: Fuck of two thousand eighteen. We're starting with the Sweet

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Speaker 1: six team. We're gonna do it like the n c

493
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Speaker 1: A A tournament. We're gonna have brackets the sixteen Sickest

494
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Speaker 1: Fox two thou eighteen. Then then I'll be shrunk down

495
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: to the six six six Fox of two thousand eighteen,

496
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: which sounds like a Quentin Tarantino movie. Six Sikest Fox

497
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: of two thousand eighteen get together in a room. It's

498
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: like some reservoir dogshit. Um. And this woman right here

499
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: that I'm about to do right now, we're not even

500
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 1: gonna do a bunch of them. This woman, uh stopped

501
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: me in my tracks. She's deaf fully going to be

502
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: a contender for at least making the bracket round the

503
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen Fox, the Sweet sixteen six Fox two eighteen

504
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: in Olympia, Washington, not Florida, a woman named Laura James,

505
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: who yes, shockingly looks like a sick fuck. An elementary

506
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: school teacher was arrested. This happened in the last twenty

507
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: four hours after having a quote unquote bad trip on meth.

508
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: Stripped down but as naked in the class, physically assaulted

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Speaker 1: some of her fourth grade students, severely biting two of

510
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: them and injuring six others. You sick fuck you she

511
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: severely bit two of her fourth grade students. Think about

512
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: how sick of a sick fuck Ms James is. Imagine

513
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: being in the fourth grade and your teacher gets butt

514
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: ass naked in the classroom right there. You're like, what

515
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: the funk is going on? You're never gonna forget that.

516
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: Then she starts pushing, tripping, karate kicking kids, and then

517
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: she bites you and your best friend, severely biting you.

518
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: Do you have to get a wound? Now? Fortunately, these

519
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: kids are going to be fine physically, but emotionally you

520
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: never get over. The teachers are supposed to be like

521
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: your safety blanket. Teachers are supposed to be the people

522
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: who you can turn to. She's naked, pushing, grabbing, kicking,

523
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: and biting students while howling and growling all the while.

524
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: Once again, but as naked, several witnesses. We're there. Blah

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00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. The other teacher stepped in. The

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00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: kids were screaming. Twenty three charges. This fucking kuk is

527
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: facing sixty five years in prison and a fine of

528
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: eighty five thousand dollars. She this is like fourth quartership

529
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: at the fourth quarter. This woman, I have to say

530
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: right now, I'm just gonna say right now, she's in

531
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: the Sweet sixteen six Fox of the Year for sure.

532
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: For sure, she's definitely in there. So that's the first

533
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: of the Sweet six team. We're gonna have obviously an

534
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: official announcement of all the six focks of two thou eighteen.

535
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: But she is definitely in the Sweet sixteen six Fox

536
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Speaker 1: of the Year. All right, listen coming up next on

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00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: the Iron Rapports stereo pod. Because you know him as

538
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: an actor. He's got his own podcast, which is Dope

539
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: talks all about movies. He's a funny dude. He's a

540
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: good dude. You know him from the league. You'll recognize

541
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: his face, you know his work. He's a funny, gass

542
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: dude and a rocky officionano. And I don't give that

543
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: out easily. I do not give out Rocky Official NATO

544
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: easily okay. But this guy is so bount that Rocky

545
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 1: life that before he watched Creed Too, he went home

546
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: and watched every single Rocky movie, including Creed, before he

547
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: went to see Creed Too. He is about that rocky life.

548
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: He watched Rocky one, two, three, four, five, six, then

549
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: he watched Rocky Balboa, then he watched Creed, then he

550
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 1: watched Creed two. He's about that rocky life. We deep

551
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: dive in all things Rocky. Coming up next on the

552
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: Iron rapp for Stereo podcast, Paul Cheer, all right, I

553
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: am Rappaport Stereo podcast. I said that I was going

554
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: to start my Rocky chronicles and lo and behold when

555
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: I when I said that, I think I don't know.

556
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: We were connected on Twitter, but special guest who I

557
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: think is deep deep deep, like you might be the

558
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: right guy to go to for this Rocky chronicle. I'm

559
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: very excited. Paul Sheer is here, who is best known

560
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: probably for the League. You have Black Monday coming on

561
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: on showtime in January. You've done a bunch of ship Uh.

562
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: The League is a show that I loved. I was

563
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: actually jealous. I'm gonna be honest that I was never

564
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: on it, although I did fall in love with fantasy

565
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: football towards the end of the show, so there was it.

566
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: Otherwise I would have I would have just shown up

567
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: at the set um. But before we get into our rockets,

568
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: just real quickly about the league. Do you play fantasy now? Three?

569
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm in right now, okay, And how are you doing?

570
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: And I don't want to go down to fantasy I'll

571
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: tell you right now. I'm in the playoffs in one

572
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: league I am dead center, and another and the other

573
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: one i'm doing like, uh. The other one, I think

574
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: I maybe leading, but that's like a kid league. I'm

575
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: in like a league with dads and kids, so that's yeah,

576
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: that doesn't count. Do you talk shipped to the kids

577
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: when you beat them. It was really hard to come

578
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: up with my team name because I couldn't come with

579
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: anything like vulgar or to like yeah, I had to

580
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: be like I think my team name was like, oh no,

581
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: the league name is no punt intended. It was just

582
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: trying to make it like nice enough, it should be

583
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: no punch like um. But I don't want to. I

584
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: don't want to go down fantasy football because I know

585
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: you're deep deep you know you could do that. Well,

586
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: let me tell you what. Like, so you're going into

587
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: the Rocky chronicles. I do this podcast called Unspoiled. When

588
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: we watched like the best movies of all time, we

589
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: watched Rocky and I realized, like, I don't think I

590
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: really understood Rocky, like I I kind of jumped in

591
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: on Rocky three. And so after watching that, in one week,

592
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: I watched every single Rocky. So from Rocky one to

593
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: Creed Too. I've seen them all and that's only a

594
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: week ago. So they're fresh in my memory right now.

595
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean they're They're also things that I grew up with.

596
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: I grew up with like three, four and now, like

597
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: I mean bout boa, I mean five I saw in

598
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: the theater. I remember being extremely disappointed, and then Creeding

599
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: one and two in the theater. Okay, I have controversial opinions.

600
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: That's fine, I'm gonna just start with this. Let's let's

601
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: just start with the most fresh thing and then we'll

602
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: go backwards. Creed Too. I loved it. I really loved

603
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: it because for the obvious reasons, but like just like

604
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, while I was watching one point, I was

605
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: like this has been going on for forty something years. Amazing. Yeah,

606
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen you. It's a slow pitch

607
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: and somehow, some way after coming out of nowhere with

608
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Speaker 1: Creed and then Creed Too, I'm like, I think Create

609
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: two right now, in my opinion, was better than Creed,

610
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: but like to still be able to provoke the emotion

611
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: that it does and rewrite the genre like it did.

612
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: What is your takeaway on imagine you saw Creed two

613
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: just once so far? Okay, so yeah, I will be

614
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: seeing it more than but I did see it screening

615
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: one day one like a crazy person Tuesday night or

616
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: whatever it was. I remember I was there Tuesday night.

617
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: Respect that ship. So so what is your just your review,

618
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: your takeaway on Creed Too? And I still don't want

619
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: to give too many spoilers. I hear your to the

620
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: people that haven't seen it, because I want them to

621
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: have that experience. I felt like Creed two I liked,

622
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I liked a lot, but it felt more Stallone to

623
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: me than Creed one, which felt like a unique, special thing.

624
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: I feel like Ryan Coogler made this movie that felt like, well,

625
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: this is a new voice of taking rock you're doing

626
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: something totally different with it. And this felt a little

627
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: bit like a sequel to Rocky, where Creed felt like

628
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: it was just its own thing, which I really love.

629
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: I agree, and I love certain things about Creed too,

630
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: like and I was there, I'm I'm emotionally in I'll

631
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: cry it all these Yeah, I mean that scene. I mean,

632
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to give away the spoiler, but the

633
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: scene in the hospital, I was, yeah, it's you know, um,

634
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: I think that they also might cried a few times.

635
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: I cried a bunch of Creed one. I'm not I'm

636
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: not like, I'm just Creed one got me. And I

637
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: watched Creed one the night before I saw Creed two.

638
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: I will say that you watch Creed one, Okay. I

639
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: was ready to go, Okay, I was, yeah, I know,

640
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. I feel like Creed two

641
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: was more Drago story than it was Creed story. And

642
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: that was the thing Donna's Creed and I felt like,

643
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: that's weird. It's like you open up the movie on

644
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: on this other guy, like that's not what these movies do.

645
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: And then and I think that that the most of

646
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: the heart was there. That's what I felt about it,

647
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: and then I have my other nip pick, which is

648
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: like the desert sequence very cool, but why like why where? Yeah? Where?

649
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: And why? Like every other one at least makes a

650
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: little agree, I agree, I agree with that. I agree

651
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: with that. Um, I will say this, these aren't spoilers.

652
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: The two things that I wanted more of they did it,

653
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: And these aren't spoilers. The two things that I wanted

654
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: more of from stallone are at one point during the

655
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: fight and we all know there's a fight. Um, he

656
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: does sort of say something to draw go. He says,

657
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: what's your problem? I wanted maybe not for them to fight,

658
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: but like you know how cornermen sometimes just like I

659
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: would like that. And then remember how PAULI was in

660
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 1: the corners. I wanted because because Rockies training was so calm,

661
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: cool and collective, at one point I wanted to see

662
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: you gotta you know, I wanted to see that amp

663
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: but just just a blink of it. I totally agree,

664
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: And if that had happened, I think I literally would

665
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: have dropped dead. Well, here's the thing, and I would

666
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: say that there's one fight scene in this movie. Uh

667
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: that is like when there's a sound that goes on.

668
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like you feel you feel something. There's

669
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff in this movie. I feel

670
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: like Stallone doesn't know how to sell Stallone anymore because

671
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: in Creed one, I feel like they got him in

672
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: this way and I feel like this one he fell

673
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: more like I don't know, they didn't give him. I

674
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: felt like he was more well rounded, like he would

675
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: have never have given himself that cancer storyline. And Creed one,

676
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, and I feel like here

677
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: they didn't. I don't, I don't. I wanted more. I

678
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, the light, the light's broken you

679
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I like, I feel like

680
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: he got nominated for an Oscar and he should have

681
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: gotten it for that Creed. It was fucking I read

682
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: because even if the other performances in his Best Supporting

683
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: Actor category were good and I don't remember what they were, like,

684
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: the body of work and the Rocky character deserved that

685
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: because the Creed was like a Rocky story and it

686
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,479
Speaker 1: stulf because who the thought, well that's the but here's

687
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: my whole thing is like, how can you even talk

688
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: about Rocky? Because Rocky it's not even a movie. It's

689
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: a thing like you understand Rocky. It's like it's like Batman. Yeah,

690
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: that's like I was thinking about that the other day.

691
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: It's like like I grew up with like like Rocky

692
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: Through is my entry into Rocky films, Like that came

693
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: out right around the That was my first one or

694
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: the one that I feel like I was watching on

695
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: HBO all the time. You know what I'm saying. It

696
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: was like because it was about my age. It was

697
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't like I wasn't going in the

698
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: other way. You know. It's like Roger Moore is my

699
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: first James Bond understand So but at that point, like

700
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: Rocky is just the thing. He's been a thing for

701
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: forty years. So when you go back and look at

702
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: the movies, it's hard to be like, well, this movie

703
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: because like Rocky one started all of that. But it's

704
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: also like it's hard to just like like pull them

705
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: away from movies because if there's no Rocky, I don't know,

706
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: it's a weird it's a very weird thing because bigger

707
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: than a movie. Yeah, Rocky is bigger than a movie,

708
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: and it's impact is bigger than a movie, and it's

709
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: like it's not like Star Wars, Star Wars, I like

710
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: this one. I don't like this one because it's like

711
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: their movie and the characters are fine, but Rocky is

712
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: like it's it's about like it's part of our culture,

713
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: like you like we play that song in our head,

714
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: We do that, we think of ourselves as the underdog.

715
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: It's it's a whole style of movie. I agree. I agree.

716
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: And the human the human nature of Rocky and just

717
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: the way he is and end you know, increed to

718
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: his his character, like the way he I agree that,

719
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: like in what you said about Creed one, but in

720
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: Creed to like I was watching him, like he knows

721
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: how to play those beats. There was like even like

722
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: a little thing he did with like not making eye

723
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: contact with the donna's Creed during one of the conversations.

724
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, he just knows how to pull out the heartstrings,

725
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 1: which I'll just go for hook line and sinker until

726
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 1: the fucking wheels fall off. His character is so well defined,

727
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: and it's interesting because it's so well defined. It's it's

728
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: unlike anything else. And he loses it a little bit

729
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: in four, which is interesting to watch when you watch

730
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: him all back to back you're like, oh, he like

731
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: three is a little less, four is a lot less. Five.

732
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: It's way back Balboa, It's way back. It's just interesting though.

733
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: It's like when he's in that like that Philadelphia guy,

734
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: like a little bit slower that you know, but also sweet.

735
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: It's perfect, it's it's it's his best character. I would think, Oh,

736
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: by fall um, okay, you're controversial. Let me ask you

737
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: this that you watched all the movies now, uh, in

738
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: a row, which I fucking respect that. That's what I said.

739
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: I have to get you. I've never done that all

740
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: the way through once a night, and I will tell

741
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: you this, watching them every night it makes you feel good.

742
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: Like I left, like I feel good, Like the whole week.

743
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: I was like, why do I feel so good? I

744
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: was like, because you're watching this thing and you feel

745
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: like it's it's like, you know, that feel good movie

746
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. But every night was psycked up. And even

747
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: Rocky five, which I have a lot of problems with,

748
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: there's some good stuff in Rocky five. Rocky five gets

749
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: a little bit short change Tommy Gunns, Tommy Morrison, did

750
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: you watch him? Yes? That is now I would say

751
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: recommended as part of the like the chronology of Rocky

752
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: you have to put that in there. It's yes, I agree.

753
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: And the real Rocky Chbers is really good too. That's like,

754
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: that's ten movies because that's really good. And then of

755
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: course we did Chuck with Liev Schreiber, which I had

756
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: a little party sight Unseen. They asked me to be

757
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: in that movie, and I was like, sight Unseen, let's

758
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: do it. Like I literally didn't even ask what the

759
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: part was or once they said it's Chuck and they're

760
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: going I said that I do. Are they dealing with

761
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: the Rocky stuff? I said where and when? And they

762
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: wanted me for another part, and I said, we'll do that.

763
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: I said, I don't. I actually when they were doing Creed,

764
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: this is no bullshit. Me and my active friend Kevin Corrigan,

765
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: we were trying to I think we were both working.

766
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: We were trying to go to Philadelphia to offer our

767
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: work as extras. Wouldn't it be amazing? I would die?

768
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like I was like, all right, so

769
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: watching Balboa the other day, not to jump around, but

770
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: watching Balboa. At the end of Balboa, they clearly shot

771
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: that in Vegas with a real like it's one of

772
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: the few times you really see Rocky like in a

773
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: full like auditorium, And I was like, that must have

774
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: been so fun. You're going to a boxing match and like, hey,

775
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: and we're gonna just shoot some like a little quick

776
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: pickups for Balbo. You don't know what it is. Everyone's

777
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: cheering for him, just to be there, him dressed in

778
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: costume doing that. I think that would have been the

779
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: best I um, only one. I gotta be honest. Balboa

780
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: was very upsetting to me. I only saw that movie

781
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: one time. Why was it upsetting to you? More upsetting

782
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: than five? Oh? Yeah, because I'll say this before we

783
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: go to find no, no, no, it's fine. We could

784
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: jump all over because there's no way to really go

785
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: stay on one unless you do just the Rocky thing. Um.

786
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: I just didn't like the movie. Really, I need to

787
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: receive it was a disappointment to me, and I haven't

788
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: watched it since I went day one screening one and

789
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I really like Balboa. I think it

790
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: was when I saw in the theater. I saw it

791
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: in the theater when it first came out, and I

792
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: was like, oh, wow, he's doing something different the movie.

793
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: It's it doesn't totally like stick the landing and like

794
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: that's what I think. The biggest problem is like at

795
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: the end, you wanted to end on this like triumphant

796
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,479
Speaker 1: thing and I don't know, I just for whatever reason,

797
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: that last fight scene it just doesn't work. It just

798
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: doesn't work. And when you leave on that level, it

799
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: made me disappointed when I watch it. But I do

800
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: like the idea of like, well where is he progressing

801
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: as a character and this whole idea like he still

802
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: has this anger in him, like which is Like I

803
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: like that idea. There's some really cool things. And I think,

804
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: to me, when I like Rocky the most is when

805
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: the character evolves, So I go back to like Rocky

806
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: to a lot because like Rocky underrated movie Rocky Too.

807
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: I actually watched it this morning preparing for this, but

808
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: you speak on all right, well Rocky Too. To me

809
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: a great is It's really great because I think it

810
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: does a lot of things that Rocky one does, but

811
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: I think it it rounds out the world. Like I

812
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: just love that he wins his match. Now what and

813
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: he wins his match in dramatic fashion. Yeah right, it's

814
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: when I saw that in the theater. Now I'm nine yeah,

815
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: I had went to go see Rocky in the theater

816
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: like that was seventy six. I was six. Now, I'm

817
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: not one of these people who has like great memories

818
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: of their life when I was five this happened. But

819
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: going to see Rocky at seventy six, when I was

820
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: six years old, I was so moved and so like

821
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: I obviously I didn't understand everything, but I understood everything

822
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: on an emotional of course. And and going to see

823
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: Rocky two and the dramatic round when they both go down,

824
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: they're fuck. They're both falling at the same time, so motion,

825
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: and it's like and I think that's what I love

826
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: about this series two is like the biggest mistake they

827
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: made in a weird way was killing Apollo, because I

828
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: feel like that was such a good, yes, you know,

829
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: a good thing to have the two of them together,

830
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: very different. I mean, of course I gave us Creed,

831
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: which is also good, but like you miss it, Like

832
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Apollo is such a great character and I feel like

833
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: really well defined in that movie in a major, major way,

834
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: too excellent way. And you know, like I remember going

835
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: to see that film and like when you go to

836
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: see Apolo's house and he's up there with his wife

837
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: reading the hate mail, Like I'm like, oh, that's Apolo's

838
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: house and he has on the sweatsuit and it has

839
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 1: a c and then you know, like just like getting

840
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: into this world a little bit deeper. I was like,

841
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on here? The best part

842
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: of Apollo in that movie, he's like, all right, you

843
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: gotta be the villain now to call him out of retirement.

844
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: But this is what I like about Rocky too, because

845
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: Rocky too goes all right. So here he is this

846
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: guy who was essentially like for one or you know,

847
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, be like oh that was

848
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: a good fight, you know, and then it just goes away.

849
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: Now what And like the idea of like the celebrities

850
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: like yeah, you have to get a job. It was

851
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: terrible at acting in those commercials and those are great.

852
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: Those are all I mean. Him in the Guerrilla Cage,

853
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: It's like it's great. And I just feel like that

854
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: to me was like showing this character was so smart,

855
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh you he went a totally different direction,

856
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: like he went like all right, he can't quite fit in.

857
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: Now he's working at the Meat Planet, like he's just

858
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: a guy who was on top of the world, or

859
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, thirty seven grand he made for that fight

860
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: when Gazo asked him, what did you pocket thirty seven

861
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: grand to go fifteen rounds with the champ? I mean,

862
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: it's there's something so endearing about that movie. And I

863
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: think that's when Rocky really works for me. It's like,

864
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: when you see him kind of Stralia, he doesn't want

865
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: to get back in. It's not like I just want

866
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: to fight, and I feel like when he doesn't want

867
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: to fight, it's kind of interesting. I don't know, I

868
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: like that, and you know, and literally just watching it

869
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: this morning and I didn't get all the way through.

870
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: I got about an hour and fifteen minutes through. The

871
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: romance between him and Adrian. It's you know, I watched

872
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: it Starbucks, and I'm on my thing and I'm smiling

873
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: and I'm still like conjured up to tears, and like

874
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: the romance when he asked her to marry him at

875
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: the Zoo, there's nothing like it's so romantic and so

876
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: gentle and so shot. It's great. Yeah, it's that their

877
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: relationship is amazing, and that carries over the three It's

878
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: like it's really, really good and um okay, But I

879
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: want to go to five real quick because I want

880
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: to say this one of the best Rocky scenes ever

881
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: and all the Rockies is the flashback scene in Rocky

882
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: five when he goes to the gym with Mickey and

883
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: he what I imagine is training a training flashback scene

884
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: but for the first fight, and he goes, get up,

885
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: you son of a bitch, because Mickey loves you. He

886
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: gives him the cuff link, only one cuff link. He

887
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: got it from Rocky Moriciano. What happened to the other

888
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: cuff link, I don't know. And then later on with

889
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: and when he's fighting up Tommy guns on the street,

890
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: he see Mickey the angels, get up, you son of

891
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: a bitch, and he gets up and you're right there again.

892
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: Well that that end fight scene on the street is crazy.

893
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: Is a crazy fighting Rocky five. But I love like

894
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: there's something about Rocky five that's so interesting because it's like,

895
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: all right, of course you got to bring him down,

896
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: you did, you know? So these are two little fun

897
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: facts about rock Rocky five is supposed to die Rocky

898
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: Rocky was gonna be killed by Tommy Gunn in the street.

899
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: And the whole idea was likely consider that that was

900
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: the script as written. That's why they brought back John Avltson,

901
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: who directed the first one for Rocky five, and the

902
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: studios like, no way, you're not killing Rocky. The last

903
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 1: scene was basically Adrian in the ambulance with Rocky racing

904
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: off to the hospital. He's dead like that was that was,

905
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: and so then they changed it. And then John Aviltson's like,

906
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: we like he was piste off because he was brought

907
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: into kind of give it this like gravitas, and they

908
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: had that changed the entire thing. The other thing that

909
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: was somebody else told me was this in the first

910
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: group from Balboa, Rocky visits Draga in the hospital and

911
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: Drago has aids from doing too much steroids and and

912
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: then he's like let him die like like that was

913
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: like so the actual themes that they were going to

914
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: go these are scenes that were in scripts for Rocky.

915
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: But here's my thing, this is this is what I

916
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: will say about the Rocky franchise and watching it when

917
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: they have a goal to what the training is. I

918
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: like the movie more like number two is great because

919
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: he's like your eyes messed up, you can't fight so

920
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: we had to do this differently. Speed need speed, we

921
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: need greasy fast speed. Yeah, and it's like and I'm like,

922
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: and now I get it because it's like as a

923
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, as like a person watching it, I'm

924
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I understand what the challenges. It's just

925
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: not to win. It's like the first one was to

926
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: to win, to get to be able to compete and gorgeous, right,

927
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: And it's like, but now everything has to kind of

928
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: build on that you need this, you need that, you

929
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: need this, And it's like and when they don't do it,

930
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: and that's what I kind of felt like, you know,

931
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: like that's what I really liked about Creed one is

932
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: like they're kind of like they're showing you like he's

933
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: got to learn how to like commit to this training

934
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: and get it, you know, I don't know, it's like,

935
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: I got what you're saying. And then in three, of

936
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: course he needed to learn how to you know, fight

937
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, like a different kind of fighter. Because I

938
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: feel like they can like I mean, I hope this

939
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: is not controversial to say, but I feel like they

940
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: are basically you need to learn how to fight black

941
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's a weird. It's a weird thing because

942
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: it's sort of like you gotta train with a boom box.

943
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: It's slightly racist to like, you know, like when they

944
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: go into this gym and paulse like's get the funk

945
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah, Paul, he's a mess. But I

946
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of weird things. But he wanted. Yes,

947
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: I get that's the the fight more athletic, more like

948
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, stylistic and all that stuff. Back to two.

949
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: We could jump all over this is the best way

950
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: to kind of hit him all. I don't dislike any

951
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: of them. They're they're all fun movies, And it's sort

952
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: of like the only way I can kind of look

953
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: at it is like, what am I enjoying one off?

954
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: If I'm watching it and enjoying it, then that's it's

955
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: a package. Yeah, cree to um in terms of what

956
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: is the what in the zeitgeist and the Rocky ze

957
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: case is cree to somehow not appreciate it as a

958
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: great movie because I know you get it. But are

959
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: there people like because or Rocky Too? Is Rocky Too?

960
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: Somehow not appreciated it is? Are there people that snicker

961
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: Rocky Too? Yes, there's if they're I'm gonna be honest

962
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: with you, Paul. If there's people that snicker at Rocky two,

963
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: you should question, like what kind of person that is?

964
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: I totally Here's the thing. I don't think people know

965
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: how to separate the Rockies. And this is so when

966
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: I started talking about Rocky on Twitter a little bit,

967
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, is that Rocky five? I hate

968
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: that one because that's one where Polly fox a robot. No,

969
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: that's Rocky three. Do you know what it's like? But

970
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: you don't know one understands what part is from what part?

971
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: Like you don't remember. Like I feel like people probably

972
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: even forget that Rocky was like beating up people on

973
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: the street and not beating up people, but being out

974
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: there to be like that guy working for Gaza Gaza

975
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: I should have broke. Yeah, it's like not in the face,

976
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: but like the I mean, by the way, the most

977
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: unrated performance, and Rocky one is the driver for Gazzo

978
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: take her to the zoo. I hear retards like the zoo,

979
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: like he he's fucking clean, he's got the got, he's

980
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: got the hat, he's great, like that kind of level

981
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: of guy. Like they nail that level of and they

982
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: shot that all like on a shoe string in Philadelphia,

983
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: like freezing cold. Because your podcast, um get made. I

984
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: want to get into how would that get made today?

985
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: But but go on, but yes, a Rocky Too. I

986
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: feel like, see, I knew we were going to go

987
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: all over, but this is I'm immensely happy about this conversation. Yeah,

988
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: because it was because I'm right there, I'm seeing it all.

989
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: Like I would say that Rocky Too to be like

990
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: that one sucks, that's the worst one, Like what are

991
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: you talking about? You don't know what you're talking about?

992
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: Missed out because it's like it's funny, it's dramatic, it's

993
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: has a love story, and that fight is better. I

994
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: think that fight is better than the first one. I

995
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: agree they learn things from one and they make it

996
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: better and ramatically. Yes, I agree, Um, it's funny. Condominiums.

997
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: He says, you want to invest in condominiums? He goes,

998
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: I never use them. When they get the car, I'll

999
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: dry just like what he's buying that car. When they're

1000
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: just buying all that. She's like, can you can you drive?

1001
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: I drive trucks, I drive dollers. I'll drive you crazy

1002
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: if you give me a chance. I mean, another great line,

1003
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: I want to have a good time, gotta have a

1004
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: good watch. When he buys her the watch and he

1005
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: buying everybody watching like him, watching him spending that money.

1006
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: Like that's a fun part about that character too, that

1007
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: he does make these jokes. He is there. Here's my

1008
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: little beef with Number one and with Rocky one. All right,

1009
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: so let me just paint the picture for you, because

1010
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: you this is a this is an audio medium. But

1011
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: he felt perfect. So here's my issue with Rocky one.

1012
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: Rocky one feels to me like an actor who is

1013
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: thinking to himself, I need to do bigger up, I

1014
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: need to do better stuff. I gotta write apart for myself,

1015
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: right And I see, you know, I see these other

1016
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: films being made at this time in the seventies. You know,

1017
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: I need to do something britty and raw. But I

1018
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: also like needed to be like my demo reel or

1019
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: something like that. And I feel like the first hour

1020
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: of Rocky it's a little too like he's the best guy.

1021
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: He's walking the girl home who comes back in Rocky

1022
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: five Briggy and Marie, Like he's a he's a guy

1023
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: on the street who you know he's gonna Colleck money,

1024
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: but he doesn't hit the guy Like there's a part

1025
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: of me it's like you should have hit the guy,

1026
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: like you should have like you know what I'm saying,

1027
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: Like I just I feel like it's a lot of

1028
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: like I'm the best, Like hire me, I'm a good actor.

1029
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't know that Rocky is gonna become Rocky,

1030
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't. He's a guy going like I'm making

1031
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: an independent movie that hopefully will get me my next gig.

1032
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: Because he's like doing parts in Woody Island movies. He's

1033
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: doing parts like herds. Yeah, like he's just a bit

1034
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: player actor and this is like his break like it was.

1035
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: I think it's he's thinking of it, like let me

1036
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: make my independent MOVI be So I feel like that

1037
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: is my biggest beef with it. And I feel like

1038
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: the rest of them kind of flesh out the character

1039
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: in a little bit more interesting ways because he's allowed

1040
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: to kind of make mistakes, like in that first movie,

1041
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: that first hour, he's doing everything right like he's the

1042
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: nicest guy. He's the sweetest guy. I can't go down

1043
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: that road with you with that, especially were saying it's

1044
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: bad I'm just saying as my as my beef and

1045
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: watching it like I watched them all together, and I'm

1046
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: just saying that, like when did you come to that

1047
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: conclusion there on this journey? On this journey? Because I

1048
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: was watching it, I'm like, what is he doing here?

1049
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: Like I mean, look, I'm not I'm not I'm not

1050
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: sliding it. I'm just looking at and going like the

1051
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: motivation because the conversation was going good. But then like

1052
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: like the Rockies, like I mean for even but I'm

1053
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: here's the thing, like I got it, I respect it.

1054
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: But Rocky on for anybody right now, and I think

1055
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: they would tell you and this is this is the

1056
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: this is how I'm trying to frame it. For myself.

1057
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: It's slow. I can't. I can't, fucking I mean for me,

1058
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: for me in that film, I'm not even being able

1059
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: to judge it because it's like almost like watching it's

1060
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: almost like watching a whole movie or something because the

1061
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: age that I saw it and he that so for

1062
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: I can't even make a conclusion to it. But like

1063
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: every scene in Rocky is just so good, every actor,

1064
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: every moment I mean with Marie you want to I

1065
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: mean that that walk home when she goes, screw you, Rocky,

1066
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: screw you, creep up and when I mean him alone

1067
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: in his apartment with the best set decoration of anything.

1068
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: Don't you wish you could go to that partment should

1069
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: be in the Smithsonian, Like, yeah, I want to know

1070
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 1: what that apartment smells like the knife in the mattress,

1071
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: Like it's great, It's so good, it's perfect. It's exactly

1072
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: his apartment. I mean, the opening shot is great. I'm

1073
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: not saying there's anything wrong with it. I just said

1074
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: I would say that, I just will and re way

1075
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: watching it, I was like, I understand from a purely

1076
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: like like in the audience if if you take everything

1077
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: away like because Rocky, I think you can't take away

1078
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: Rocky from Rocky has Roby. Without that, there's none of this.

1079
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: There's no conversation, there's no conversation, there's no podcasts. Yes,

1080
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: exactly your podcast? How did this get me? Yes? Articulate

1081
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: because obviously we're I'm a little older than you, and

1082
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: and you know, it's such a part of American culture,

1083
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: you know at the time, you know, for people that

1084
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: don't understand, like you said, Stallone was just he wasn't

1085
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: even like a journey he was. I wouldn't even say

1086
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: a journeyman actor he was. He was. So basically, did

1087
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: he did a soft porn? I know it's crazy. Well

1088
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: here's what I'll tell you. First off, that's real ship

1089
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: believe me. Like so, like so I did, like so

1090
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 1: I have these two podcasts so people know that how

1091
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 1: did this get made? We make fun of bad movies

1092
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: so that we never really get to the bottom of

1093
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: it unspooled. We kind of dig in and so I

1094
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: do this with this film critic Amy Nicholson. But so

1095
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: we just did a Rocky podcast and I up, it's

1096
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: not up yet, it's coming out. Oh this week, Yeah,

1097
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: it comes out. I can't. So we get into it

1098
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: and did you go on your tangent about it being slow?

1099
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: On this episode we talk about things in it that

1100
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: are because my whole thing is about Rocky is how

1101
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: can you separate like it's hard to separate the movie.

1102
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to look at Rocky nitpick it when it's

1103
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: created forty years of things like is Rocky? Like how

1104
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: is Rocky more than I think Rocky is one movie?

1105
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: Like what you said, I think you take the whole thing. Yes,

1106
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: And and then that's like, and that's the thing that

1107
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's really what we talked about. It is

1108
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: like wrestling with it like that. There's no bad review

1109
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 1: of Rocky. I'm just saying there are things in it

1110
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: that I think if you look at it just singularly

1111
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: and you take it all away, Like if if you

1112
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: put and this is what I would say, if you

1113
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: put an audience in a theater right now and you

1114
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,919
Speaker 1: said watch Rocky and then watch Creed, which would people

1115
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: respond to more? I think people would respond more to Creed.

1116
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people Creed that never

1117
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: saw Rocky. I I get what you're saying, and I

1118
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: don't agree with that solely because of I think that

1119
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: if in three hundred years you did that, because it's

1120
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: so hard, like you know, you've seen something, you've heard

1121
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: something you see if if they watched it blind, the

1122
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: emotional core of what Rocky is, you just can't touch it,

1123
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: like the loneliness and and and like I think, like

1124
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: when you're talking about like the slowness of it, like

1125
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: there's such a loan, like he's such a lonely person,

1126
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: Like when he's in the apartment by himself, staring at

1127
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: the old picture of himself and he's with his turtles,

1128
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: which are are I'm forgetting the names. They have good

1129
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: names I've forgotten which we're I'm ashamed that we don't.

1130
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: Neither one of us know the names. The turtles come

1131
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: back and forth in the movie. Sometimes they're there. Sometimes yes, yeah,

1132
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like, you know, they

1133
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: died or something like that, but like, you know, like there.

1134
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: It's such a it is such an independent film, and

1135
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: it's such a small film, and and it feels like

1136
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: Taxi Driver, which came out the same Yes, I mean,

1137
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: it beat Taxi Driver in the Academy Awards that years

1138
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: the Best Picture, which is kind of crazy crazy, I mean,

1139
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: but I feel the same way. I mean, I I agree.

1140
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that's a darker film, but there's a

1141
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 1: loneliness to it. It feels gritty, It feels like what

1142
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: you think of like seventies inner city films. I don't know,

1143
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: it just feels like of the same era of like

1144
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: everyone's making these movies. And I feel like still Moan's

1145
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: like I want to make this movie and and I

1146
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: think you can't separate the journey of making Rocky is

1147
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: a Rocky story completely and the journey of making Creed

1148
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: to me is like it's like this is done, this

1149
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: is gone, this is over. And when you hear Coogler

1150
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: talk about you know, like his father going through cancer

1151
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: and then like when you're like, oh, not again, they're

1152
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna do it, and like they did it and you're

1153
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: like they did it again. Yeah. Um. But but I

1154
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: have to say, this is the one thing I'll say

1155
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not throwing shade at Rocky because you can't

1156
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: a little, but here's here's what I'll say. Is the

1157
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: only reason why Create is successful is people have seen

1158
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: that movie and they've never seen Rockies. Like that's just

1159
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: that movie is not just pulling on people who have

1160
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: seen Rocky. That's opening it up to a whole new thing.

1161
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: So what I love about Creed, Yeah, like the Creed

1162
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: is going you don't need to watch the other Rockies

1163
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 1: and this may be people's first Rocky in forty years.

1164
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: You might have people talking about you know, like Creed

1165
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: the way I mean maybe I don't know, you know, saying,

1166
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: but I just think that people I find I'm more

1167
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: and more surprised the stuff that we grew up with,

1168
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: the things that we know. People don't even it doesn't

1169
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: even register anymore. Like TV shows even that like we're like,

1170
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: oh that everyone knows, like family ties or whatever, doesn't

1171
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: even connect on the level. So I feel like there's

1172
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 1: a world in which people think of, oh, that's Stallone,

1173
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: like Eddie Murphy's like people go, oh, yeah, that's a

1174
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: guy from Daddy Daycare. They don't go like, that's the

1175
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: guy for four d hours, that's a guy from Hills, right,

1176
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: So it's like and they forget about like how fucking

1177
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: huge of a star. He was like the biggest of

1178
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: all time, and where stars weren't like him, Michael Jackson print,

1179
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: they sort of created Madonna like the modern days super

1180
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: duper star exactly. So that's all I'm saying is that

1181
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a large subsect of people that saw

1182
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: Creed and have no like they just go that's Stallone.

1183
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's like, you know, and that's that's all

1184
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying about. Look at athletes, like, you know, there's

1185
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: young kids that look at Shaquille O'Neil is like a

1186
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: funny guy Barley, like You're like, who is this guy? Yeah,

1187
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: you don't know, you know, like and It's crazy that

1188
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: you think that because they never they didn't grow up

1189
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: watching athletes or Dan Marino or even boxers who whatever

1190
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: it is, or and certainly actors like they're like Burt

1191
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: Reynolds is some old fucking you know, somebody that doesn't

1192
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: have any like no one's seen like Gator, they have

1193
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: no idea. Um, let's talk about the greatness and this

1194
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 1: another thing, uh, in terms of trivia stuff, did you

1195
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: know that Tallya Shire, the actors who played Adrian, who

1196
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: of course was in The Godfather, who of course is

1197
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: uh Francis Ford Coppela's sister. No, yeah, no, yeah, she's

1198
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: he has related to Copela I think or the Customer

1199
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: or something, yeah, something. Did you know that Burt Young,

1200
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: who played Paulie and Talia Shire dated for a long

1201
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: period of time. Whoa, Well, that's that's public. It's not

1202
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: like that's like a public They dated, which I think

1203
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: probably it was kept. I mean at the time there

1204
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like Instagram because like now you blow your mind,

1205
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 1: like wait a second, they're dating their brother and sisters.

1206
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 1: But they did. That's just a little thing that By

1207
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: the way, I would say that Burt Young is the

1208
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: best in Rocky Rocky One, like that performance of like

1209
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: and in the dysfunction of that family that and maybe

1210
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: what I'm reacting to and Rocky I'm thinking about as

1211
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you two, it's like it is a

1212
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: little darker. It is dark. It's yeah, it's very dark.

1213
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: It's like and you know what he did, Like he

1214
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: put turpentine on his hands so he would have like

1215
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: like so I feel like he had arthritis and he

1216
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: would like put gin on it, like you sprayed gin

1217
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: on stuffing the actor just so he could so his

1218
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: hands would have a hard time moving. He would smell

1219
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: gin all the time because that's what he hated. So

1220
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: he just like reaked of alcoholic. He just is as Yeah,

1221
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: he'd like to get into characters. So he was this

1222
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: kind of guy. And I feel like that character is

1223
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, is one of the best. I mean,

1224
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: every character so good and like again we're talking about

1225
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: these characters in a way that when they come back

1226
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: into like he laid the groundwork and Rocky one for

1227
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: all of us, like all that and enough that comes back.

1228
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: It's rich enough in the coming back and Mickey Pauli

1229
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: and Adrian I believe all three of them, Tally Shire,

1230
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: A Burgess, Meredith, and Burt Young. They all got nominated

1231
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: for Oscars. I think it was. I think there was

1232
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: a note of all. I think a lot of them,

1233
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: but now I think it's like I think it was.

1234
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: She got nominated these Best Screenplay right and and movie

1235
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't know and and direct right Burgess or Burt Young.

1236
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: I think they might have both got supporting I'm not sure,

1237
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: but those characters and how rich and good and the

1238
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: dysfunction of Pauli and the you know, oh there's a

1239
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,839
Speaker 1: turkey in the oven. Oh a turkey in the ovens?

1240
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean that throws it out the door and then

1241
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: just eats that piece of like that leg, like right,

1242
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: like just eating it just like that. That's crazy. And

1243
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: then he goes ask her for the date and and

1244
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: the date and they go on the ice skating ring

1245
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: and you're thinking to yourself, like this is some other

1246
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: level of brilliance, like, well that movie is like it's okay.

1247
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: So a couple of interesting things. First of all, Burgess

1248
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: Meredith was supposed to be Lee Straussburg played by Lee Strassburg,

1249
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: who like is a great acting coaches but also so

1250
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: people don't know that he was in the Godfather to

1251
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: Time and row. Yes, yes, yes, so if people equated

1252
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,639
Speaker 1: it a lot more gentle, totally different. I mean, every

1253
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,720
Speaker 1: one of these characters we just talked about were the

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Speaker 1: second choices, which is something that I love, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you and I both do a bunch of different stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like I always feel like when you're the second choice,

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: it's a better you know, Like I always feel like

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Speaker 1: when you're casting something, you're like, oh, we didn't get

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Speaker 1: our first choice, and then you get your second choice,

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I'm so glad we got our

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Speaker 1: second choice because that person is actually better than what

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Speaker 1: we could have envisioned. Like every Tala Shire, Burgess, Meredith

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Speaker 1: and uh No and uh and Apollo and and uh

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Speaker 1: and Carl Weathers all not the first choices for these parts,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and which we call it, uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Carl Weathers lide that he could box, couldn't box, you know,

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Speaker 1: And then and basically they thought they could kind of

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Speaker 1: improvise the fight and then they act to actually like

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01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 1: choreographed this fight. I mean it's and what they're doing

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Speaker 1: there is I mean, it's it's great. Yeah, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm impressed with all, Like the casting there

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Speaker 1: is amazing. It's incredible. It down to Gazo, who was

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Speaker 1: in the Godfather, The Godfather and the Godfather too. He

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Speaker 1: played cheat cheach, yes, cheat, yeah, and he's excellent. And

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Speaker 1: and how he you know, he uh, you know, goes

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Speaker 1: from being like the loan chark to supporting rock and

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Speaker 1: then in the during the fight scene of Rocky one,

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Speaker 1: he's there, you know, he's so excited. But here's my

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Speaker 1: twist that I would have pitched on Rocky one, right,

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01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: what if Gaza comes back to him and goes, hey,

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01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: rock you fell this fight and I'll get you X

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01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: amount of dollars. How much more interesting with that character

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Speaker 1: would have been. And I feel like those are like

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Speaker 1: the little things that I would have liked. It was

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Speaker 1: like like at least watching it now, like oh, because

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Speaker 1: it works so perfectly, Like, yeah, he's supporting him, He's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is great. You're never gonna win, like go, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you make thirty seven, I'll make you make. I

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Speaker 1: got some guys in Vegas, you know. He no one

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Speaker 1: ever tells Rocky to throw a fight, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: even like in Balboa, it's like just stay in there.

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Speaker 1: Keep it interesting. But it's like, yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. Yeah, I agree. Um, and the music, oh,

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Speaker 1: the music is insane. Obviously the rocky theme is the one,

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01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: but like the tinkles of Bill Conti the piano all

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Speaker 1: through an amazing here's the thing too, like there's a

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01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: thing and this is if you you probably now know

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Speaker 1: it so much. But steadicam work, right, Steady was is

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Speaker 1: like this. That was the guy who invented the steadicams.

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Speaker 1: So steadicam allows you to kind of move very fluidly.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out stairs up the stairs. So

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Speaker 1: basically they the guy who invented the steadicams, I want

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01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 1: to work on this movie. Here's test footage. And he

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01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: did the test of the run up the stairs and

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: the director was like, Appleton was like, we gotta put

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Speaker 1: that in the movie. Let's put that in the movie

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01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: because he could just show that you could move a

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Speaker 1: camera so kind of fluid the the whole training montage there.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that's another thing that these training

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Speaker 1: montages are built up in our heads, is like these

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Speaker 1: big things. They're very kind of tight, I mean like

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Speaker 1: five minutes sequences. And then in the grand scheme of

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Speaker 1: movies now, like people like blew out montages in such

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Speaker 1: a crazy way, but they're much more refined and small.

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Speaker 1: I agree. The one of the scenes one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite of all Rocky scenes, um and the the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of it is beautiful and it just goes to show

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Speaker 1: the independent quality and you could tell they were like

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Speaker 1: shoestring budget when Mickey Burgess Meredith comes to Rocky's house

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Speaker 1: to make his pitch to train him. Best scene, I

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Speaker 1: feel like that break it down, I talk about it.

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about it even when I'm not talking about Rocky. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's an amazing well. First of all, it's like I

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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you talk about this idea that

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Speaker 1: like like you want characters who are smart, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like in that moment, like you understand everything about

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Speaker 1: these two characters. That to me is where the movie

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Speaker 1: like ignites in a way, and from that moment forward,

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Speaker 1: I'm like fully in because you don't understand why he's

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Speaker 1: not really supporting him, why he's kind of throwing shade

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Speaker 1: at him. I don't know. I just love that scene.

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Speaker 1: Is just a great scene between these two people, and

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Speaker 1: it's like you see stallone in that first moment kind

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Speaker 1: of like yelled. You see, like you just see two

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Speaker 1: sides of these characters that you've been living with for

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Speaker 1: a while, and you see a fully different version of them.

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Speaker 1: And one of the more beautiful shots and moments is

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Speaker 1: after he leaves and he can't and it's just a

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Speaker 1: you know, like this is when I started. I was

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Speaker 1: able to understand this as I got older, But it's

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Speaker 1: just a wide shot and uh, Mickey's walking down the

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Speaker 1: street and then Stallone Balboa Rocky, uh, you know, catches

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Speaker 1: up to him and at first, like the acting is

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 1: so good because Burgess Meredith, he's in character and it's

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Speaker 1: almost like he thinks maybe like he's gonna come down

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01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: there and beat him up or something. But then he

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Speaker 1: hugs him and he and obviously I imagine the conversation

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01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: like yo, I'm sorry, you know, like let's start working

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Speaker 1: in the training And it's such a beautiful shot and

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Speaker 1: the cinematic and it's like late at night and the

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Speaker 1: lamp posts and the loneliness just these two guys um

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Speaker 1: and they have nothing um and and I just you know,

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Speaker 1: like I love that ship and and it's like I

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01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, there's certain movies that sort of

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Speaker 1: I don't know why if it's just me or other people.

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: Obviously you know you're here, so you're crazy enough to

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01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: have this thing with it, but it just resonates on

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01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: an emotional level. That's why like those kinds of like

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Speaker 1: moments like not even when they're screaming, but like that

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Speaker 1: moment of them, you know, coming together on the street

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Speaker 1: there like three years from now. I think we'll always

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Speaker 1: resonate with people. I I really love that scene, and

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Speaker 1: I also will go and say that like what I

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Speaker 1: love about this movie too, And I love like a

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Speaker 1: villain in a movie because Apolope is not a villain,

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01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: but he's just a boxer, right, and everything that he

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01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: does is not motivated in an evil way. He's not

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01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: trying to do anything bad. I think certain rockies I

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01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: really love Mr. T. But it's very cartoony. It's but

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Speaker 1: it's you feel afraid, like you're like, oh, fun, this

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Speaker 1: guy's gonna destroy Rocky like, and I think that that's

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Speaker 1: a good energy. But Apollo is like kind of this

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Speaker 1: in one end too, And that's why I kind of

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01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: feel like those movies really are like one big story

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01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: because it's sort of the whole arc of that. It's

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of perfectly done. It's a godfather wanted to it,

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Speaker 1: just like I agree. I fucking agree, man, I fucking agree.

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01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: I don't like the cynics out there, and I really

1379
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: want about how could you say that you like Rocky

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01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: three or four more than two. I don't understand. You

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01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: just don't know what you're talking about. You don't know

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01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: what the funk you're talking about. Again, I don't think

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01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: Rocky two is as great as Rocky one, but it's

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01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: pretty fucking good. And you know when he has the baby,

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01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: um and the babies in the coma, I mean, and

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01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: and Adrians in the coma, and then the conversation between

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01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: Mickey and Rocky in the church, uh is you know,

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01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: he goes you know when you did before that was

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01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 1: a thing of beauty. But this guy, he don't just

1390
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: want to beat you, He wants to kill you. And

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01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: then of course he you know, the baby with the

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01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: great hair. The baby comes out with great fucking hair.

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01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: He still got pretty good hair, still still's got and

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Speaker 1: it might be induced, but I don't question it. I

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 1: don't question no, I don't question any of it because

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01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: it's that's my guy. You know. I worked with him

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 1: on Copland. Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And if you think

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Speaker 1: I was like, well that, what was that like, I

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01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: was you know it was it was it was talking

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01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: about Oh yeah, is he like to talk about Rocky? Yeah,

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: my dream Paul. And I'm trying. I'm trying to pull

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01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 1: out all the times. I mean I had, like I

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01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: worked on them. It's like two or three months. I

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01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: want him in here in that chair, and I want

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01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: a Rocky podcast with the one because I know this

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01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: when we worked on comp Land and it wasn't just him,

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01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: it's ray Leo. But I'm like and I'm like twenty

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01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 1: six and I'm like I literally like I'm writing like notes,

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01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: like in a diary. Like my whole thing was you

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01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: can't bug out like I had to, like but stallone

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01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: somehow or another. We got in rocket conversations and it

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01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 1: would be like this thing where if there was other

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01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: people around, we couldn't do it. No. It was like

1414
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: but when I'd catch up because I had scenes him,

1415
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: We'd be waiting and I'd ask and he would do

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01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: scenes with me. I would do Rocky lines, he would

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01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: do PAULI lions. I would do Rocky lines, he would

1418
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: do Mickey lines. I'm float I'm bugging the funk out.

1419
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: James Mangol, the director, he caught us. He said, you

1420
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: can't keep talking about Rocky. We're not doing Rocky, We're

1421
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: doing a couple. Stop talking to him. Wow. He he

1422
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: like took that away from me. But like, I'm like

1423
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: literally like having an outer body experience and I got

1424
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: so comfortable with it. Like I asked him about sternal bums.

1425
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: Remember in Rocky three when Paulie like when they're training

1426
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: and he goes, shut up your sternal bumps. And he

1427
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 1: explained the whole thing to me, and he explained what

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01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: sterno is, which is kind of alcohol. Like this is

1429
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 1: all like like I mean I had Instagram back then.

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01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you see, Like and that's the

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01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: thing that I feel like the takeaway that I take

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01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: from all this two it's like Stallone is a great

1433
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: actor and he knows how to write these movies, like

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01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: he gets it, like and I feel like Rambo has

1435
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: that quality that undergo. Yeah absolutely, I mean Rambo one

1436
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: is Rambo one and Rocky one are very similar. So

1437
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: but I would say, like I feel like the thing

1438
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: interesting about stallone is and we can talk about four

1439
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: because four is an interesting one in the sense that

1440
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,520
Speaker 1: if you take away the flashbacks and the musical montages

1441
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: and the fight scene, it's probably like a seven minute movie.

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01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: But but but I think at the time it was

1443
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: right for the time. So he made a movie that

1444
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: was right for the time. Like bal it was right

1445
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 1: for the time, Rocky is right for the time. Creed

1446
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: is right for the time. You know what I'm saying.

1447
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: It's like everyone kind of changes with the time. The music,

1448
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 1: the look that the gloss Rocky three is so eighties

1449
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: like early ages there, there's uh, he's very like astute

1450
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: at that, and I feel like to not acknowledge that

1451
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 1: is like you can't just write him off. It's like, oh,

1452
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: he's not Schwarzenegger Shortz. He just do this like Schwartzeger.

1453
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: You know that was like the big rivalry back in

1454
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: the day. But it's like he's not even like Statham

1455
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: or anybody like. This guy is like a he's a writer, director, actor,

1456
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: Like there is a purity to what he does. I

1457
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: think that sometimes he is like undercut that by doing

1458
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: things that are less than that value. But then you

1459
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: look at movies, like when he did Coplane's like whoa,

1460
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: it could be like, oh he's good, Like yeah, no, ship,

1461
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: he's good. He's been making these movies. But it just

1462
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 1: sort of like when you see like Escape from you know,

1463
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: Mega Prison too, You're like, Okay, it's the long movie.

1464
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: You know. It's like lock Up has a good quality

1465
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: to it. Lock Up is good. I mean it has

1466
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: that moment like they're playing football out there, like it

1467
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: has he knows that beat, he knows that underdog beat,

1468
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: and like his his lip and his voice, and there's

1469
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: something about his face that it just as his aged.

1470
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,799
Speaker 1: He's changed his face. It's just fucking works. I agree.

1471
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: Like I feel like and when he is vulnerable, I

1472
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 1: think that's the thing that I really like. And I

1473
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: feel like Rocky too, you wanna talk about I mean

1474
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 1: Rocky when you're right, it's it's a loneliness. Rocky two

1475
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: is vulnerable. I mean it's a vulnerability because now it's

1476
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: like it's worse than lonely because now he's a one

1477
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: hit wonder. I mean, like I don't know what that

1478
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: would be in boxing, but like but that idea, like

1479
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: and he's famous is back. He's back. At the fucking

1480
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: meat player making fun of him, Like it's like, you know,

1481
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: they're looking at him like this. Yeah, I mean that's

1482
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: like that to me is you get it? You get it.

1483
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: And that's why I that's why I kind of go

1484
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: back to like a little bit of what I like

1485
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: in Rocky five is like what is he what is

1486
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: he doing? Like what Like he's like he's lone Like

1487
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: he's back to that lonely and there's I mean, Rocky

1488
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: and Balboa are the same movie in many respects of

1489
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: just like forty years separate. But it's like, but it's

1490
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: interesting to see when he's down. I like seeing him down,

1491
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: not just like this guy is tough, like and that's

1492
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: the three and four is this guy's you know, it's like, um,

1493
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: it's like he's emotionally in a place that he has

1494
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: got to come up from now. Um. But before I

1495
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: let you go, because we could go on and on

1496
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: and yeah, and you're you're getting ready to finish up

1497
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: shooting season one, which I'm sure is going to be

1498
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: a big hit of Black Monday on Showtime. This also

1499
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: just had the boxing match this weekend with Tyson Fury, who, God,

1500
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: did you see that? That like that that to me,

1501
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, oh my god, that

1502
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: was crazy, just like to see him pop back up.

1503
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking of putting together because it's

1504
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: the twelfth round. Obviously in Rocky one, we forget he

1505
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: got knocked down in the fourteenth round and then Mickey's

1506
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: like down down and the other trains like get up

1507
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: and he gets up and then you know, like that

1508
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: that's like the big moment. It's very rocky ish. What

1509
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: did you think? Because I don't accept this, I will

1510
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: not accept it. I refuse to accept it. Did you

1511
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: did you see on social media that stallone announced a

1512
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: soft retirement from the Rocky slash Creed movie. Where where's

1513
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: your head on that? And will you like that? I

1514
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: don't like it, won't accept it. And here's the thing.

1515
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 1: In my mind, you should have gotten out at Creed

1516
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: from Creed one to Creed two, like you had this

1517
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: great like if you were going to get out, that

1518
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: was the time. He did not leave in a way

1519
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: and Creed two that like if you want to, if

1520
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 1: you want to pull that rip chord and be like

1521
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm out, I'm dead, I'm I'm mickeying on this or whatever.

1522
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: You need to. I don't know. You need to. You

1523
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 1: need to make it a moment. You can't just be

1524
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to show up again on Instagram.

1525
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah you like and I feel like this so I

1526
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: know is your friend and I'm not We're friend. We're

1527
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: not friend. I mean, I'm I worked with him, like listen,

1528
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: we had a great experience. I saw him two years

1529
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: later in the Laker game like he was form for me.

1530
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: It's like I worked with Rocky for him, I was

1531
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: just a guy that he worked. Here's my thing with

1532
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: Stallan is I think that he doesn't. I think he

1533
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: gets a little bit like in his head right because

1534
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 1: like he wasn't gonna let Coogler do this Creed movie.

1535
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: Then fruit Vale comes out and he's like, all right,

1536
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: let's do it. And I think a lot of the choices,

1537
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: from what I understand from people who have talked to,

1538
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: were against his better judgment. He really fought them on

1539
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. But then it was like whoa,

1540
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: he gets nominated. He wanted to get nominated for Balboa,

1541
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: Like he gets nominated for this and then a fucking

1542
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: jerked a man totally and then he should have won

1543
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: that one. And then I wonder who won. But then

1544
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: that fucking guy from that uh Spielberg movie, Oh, really,

1545
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. Two uh oh, it's

1546
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: a guy from the British Guy, right, like guy from Yeah,

1547
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 1: I know you're doing that bridge spines that you yeah, no, okay, sorry, yeah,

1548
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: and I talk. We don't even know his name. We're

1549
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: not talking about that. Before I saw that guy on Broadway.

1550
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: He was great. But that's a that's the fucking award

1551
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: to give, Like, here's Rocky take it, Boom, you did

1552
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: it for everything you get and you made us cry

1553
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: again and creed and so how dare you? So? I

1554
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 1: think what happens is and this is me talking out

1555
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 1: of school. I think what happens is as he goes uh,

1556
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: he makes all those choices and then and then like

1557
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: there's a part of him that is feeling like, all right,

1558
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 1: I didn't get the oscars, so now I gotta go

1559
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: back in. I gotta now like he that he takes

1560
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: over the script, you know, he's like, I'm gonna write

1561
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: this now and know a certain point is like I'm

1562
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna direct this. And then people are like you shouldn't

1563
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: direct this one because and I don't think you should

1564
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: direct it. I think it's like, you know, uh, it

1565
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: should be a different voice, you know, Like you know,

1566
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: it's like it is a different franchise, you know. Uh.

1567
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: And then I feel like he just didn't get what

1568
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: he wanted out of it. Even though Creed Too. Is

1569
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: so successful, I think people are talking about other things,

1570
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: they're not talking about him in this movie. I don't

1571
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 1: think that. I don't want to spoil anything for your audience,

1572
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: but the end beat that he kind of was working

1573
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: on that we see paid off in the level that

1574
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 1: he wanted. I just think he I don't think that

1575
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: he stuck the landing for himself that he thought he

1576
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: could have in Creed Too. And I feel like now

1577
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not I'm done with it. You're not done.

1578
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: You're not done. He's gotta come back, although I did

1579
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: here on set the last day of shooting was a

1580
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 1: scene where Creed is fighting over the fire. That was

1581
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: the last day of shooting, and Rocky had the whole

1582
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: crew gathered around every stallone and give a whole speech

1583
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,560
Speaker 1: about Rocky and passing the torch and giving the no,

1584
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 1: we're not I'm sorry. I agree. If you want to.

1585
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: You gotta go up big like usually gone out when

1586
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: he had the cancer or or not. But you can't

1587
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: not be cancer. I mean, come on, Rocky. Of course

1588
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: Rocky's gonna be all right. Listen, Paul, this was this

1589
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: was everything that I wanted. I'm so excited to be here.

1590
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: It was so great. Thank you so much for having

1591
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: you know. But let me just tell you one thing now.

1592
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: I bought it as a gift for myself. Uh, if

1593
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: I was really really rich, I would I would buy

1594
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: you one for this um. But it's a thousand bucks

1595
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: and there's a six thousand a dollar version Tashing books,

1596
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, tashion books. I've seen this book. It's a

1597
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: great this the history of Rocky, right, and it's the

1598
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 1: Giants and it's so I'm just saying, okay, I may

1599
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: look into that, because I actually tell the other day

1600
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 1: and on the league we had to deal with Tashian.

1601
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: That's all the books we use, and we could take

1602
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: whateveryone we wanted. I was so piste off that I

1603
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: didn't get that book. Well it's it's it's a thousand

1604
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: bucks and then there's a six thousand dollar version, which

1605
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: even I was like, I can't because I did that

1606
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: with the Ali book and it's a huge book. But

1607
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: that's something that you might considue or your wife for

1608
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 1: you something to tell you that in the last week,

1609
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: my Rocky renaissance has been a huge I think that

1610
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: people should watch watch all eight and then watch it's

1611
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: a it's a great journey. You will feel good. It's

1612
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: especially now in this season. It's a good time. It's

1613
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: a new year, freshman, you know, it's all good. Uh.

1614
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: And they are feel good movies and not in a

1615
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 1: corny way. I'll tell you one other thing to check out.

1616
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: I don't think they have them anymore, but this place

1617
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 1: called the Hundreds, they did a clothing place. They did

1618
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: a whole Rocky line of clothes like from the movie.

1619
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: So like when it was like when Rocky's wearing that,

1620
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: like that gray sweatshirt, there's like go rock go. You

1621
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: could get that. You could get Creeds shorts, you can

1622
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 1: get Rocky shorts together. They're all everything that people wore

1623
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: in the movie. They did a recreation of it looked amazing.

1624
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: Do you have any pieces I got? I was I

1625
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,360
Speaker 1: got I got in too late because it's like I

1626
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: didn't have my size at the end, I was like, oh,

1627
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 1: but they got to do another re launch of that,

1628
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: because when you you can still look at everything, it's great.

1629
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate it, and I can't wait to

1630
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: hear your Rocky podcast breakdown. Thank you, my man. All Right,

1631
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: there you have it. I told you it was gonna

1632
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 1: be good. I told you he was in aficionado. I

1633
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: told you he had strong opinions. I loved it. That

1634
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: was fantastic. I have to say that was fulfilling. There's

1635
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: not many people that I feel like cold go toe

1636
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 1: to toe with me and have their own opinions about

1637
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: Rocky and we have to respect them, take them in,

1638
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: digest them, and really marinate on a pole sheer. Thank

1639
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: you for coming on the Iron Rappers Stereold Podcasts. My

1640
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: name is Michael Rappaport a k A. Apollo Rapp Report.

1641
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 1: This is the Iron Rappors Stereold podcast. Moles Jordan's take

1642
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: us out of your something real nice, something real proper,

1643
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: something real function