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Speaker 1: From the Shrine Bowl in Los Vegas. This is the

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Speaker 1: Patriots Catch twenty two podcast with Evan Lazar and Alex Barr.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lazar, Alex bar Vegas, La, Alex bar Here is

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Speaker 1: Evan Lazar and Alex Barr Vegas. Hello everybody, and welcome

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Speaker 1: into a new edition of the Patriots Catch twenty two

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Speaker 1: podcast right here on Patriots dot Com. Live from the

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Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl, I should say, coming to you from the

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Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl in Las Vegas, Evan Lazar alongside with me

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Speaker 1: as always as Alex Barth. We're doing this right after

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Speaker 1: day three of Shrine Bowl practices. At you on the

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Speaker 1: U n l V. That's a tongue twister a little bit,

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Speaker 1: yeah you n LV. Today's the final day on a

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Speaker 1: the taj Mahal, the greatest physic. I'm just We're gonna

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Speaker 1: go to Raiders headquarters tomorrow and Henderson. That's where the

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Speaker 1: final day of practice is going to be for the

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Speaker 1: East and the West team. The Patriots will practice in

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Speaker 1: the morning. The East team will practice in the second

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Speaker 1: part of practice silet when later in the morning called

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Speaker 1: the afternoon necessarily later morning, later morning. But anyways, we're

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Speaker 1: going to focus on day three here today and that's

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Speaker 1: what we just got to take in. And I think

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Speaker 1: as much as we want to get into the prospects,

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Speaker 1: and we are going to get into the prospects here

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Speaker 1: in a second. The biggest takeaway was something that Troy Brown,

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Speaker 1: the head coach of the West team for this week,

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Speaker 1: said after practice, and he mentioned the weather. And I

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Speaker 1: know it's a little bit silly to be thinking about

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Speaker 1: be hot, but today it was actually pretty cold this morning.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned multiple times, I did complain about it

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Speaker 1: a lot. It was four Evan has to go watch

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Speaker 1: football practice. It gonna go stand out at drizzle. It

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Speaker 1: was cold, It was raining, as Alex just so eloquently

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Speaker 1: mentioned it was a New England day. It was probably

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Speaker 1: like I think the car when we got there said

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Speaker 1: was cold. And Troy Brawn mentioned that if these players

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Speaker 1: probably imagine, they're gonna play in some cold weather games,

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Speaker 1: to practice in those games too, Like you can't just

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Speaker 1: kind of tap out of a day of practice because

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Speaker 1: it's cold and raining. Right. So this was a really

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Speaker 1: nice test, and I think that it goes to the

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Speaker 1: why they're here, as in the Patriots coaching staff is

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Speaker 1: what I'm referencing there. Why everybody's here from Patriots Land

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Speaker 1: is because this is a unique experience to get hands

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Speaker 1: on coaching with these kids, see how they react to weather,

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Speaker 1: the following day at practice. And the weather was an

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Speaker 1: different looks at how these kids would handle it. Now,

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Speaker 1: for the West team, the Patriots coach team, offense had

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Speaker 1: a terrible day. I'm just gonna come out and say it.

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Speaker 1: say it too. The offense really struggled in day three

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Speaker 1: It's okay. So he's a UCLA kid. The Patriots a

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Speaker 1: was getting down the field well on those two, so

429
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Speaker 1: that's probably something they noticed. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, So who

430
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Speaker 1: else stood out to you other than those two? I

431
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: think those were the players of the day, as we've

432
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: tried to do every single show, but there's some other

433
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: guys that also stood out to us, I would say,

434
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Speaker 1: just not just today, but maybe as a culmination of

435
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: the three days as well well. So I've been like

436
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: tweeting out a list each day of who like who

437
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: stood out to me? So from the East team as

438
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: is just nu miracle. Do you tell me if you

439
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: saw in these guys. Joseph Nada from Clemson, the wide

440
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: receiver we just talked about, Clark Uh Anthony or g

441
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt linebacker had another big day today. I really

442
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: like him. I think that he's got a lot of

443
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 1: people have asked me about is there any got linebackers

444
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: with some speed. I think he's got a little bit

445
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: of speed to his game. But he's also not a

446
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 1: small guy, right, He's not one of these Nikobe Dean

447
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,159
Speaker 1: type linebackers who's five eleven, two hundred and ten pounds,

448
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: really built more like a safety. I think, yeah, I

449
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: think that that's got enough size in today's NFL to

450
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: be able to do that out. The Patriots are typically

451
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: more in that like two forty five range, but maybe

452
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: you get him into But they have been trying to

453
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: find this guy. Yeah, they have been trying to find

454
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: this guy. So I don't like between draft and Cameron

455
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: mcgron and then and you know I've done this before,

456
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: mack Wilson mill and like, yeah, they're maybe not all

457
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: in on that position, like exclusively finding those guys at linebacker,

458
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: but I do think they want that guy and he's

459
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: been good. Um other guys from the East team. Dante Stills,

460
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from West Virginia, definitely rushed the passer.

461
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: I was high on coming into this thing. He looked

462
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: really explosive in one on one today. Excuse me, you

463
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: know behind Christian Barmore right, daniel Aquality's appending fregent. If

464
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Speaker 1: you want another interior pass rushed specialist defensive tackle, Christian

465
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Speaker 1: Barmore insurance, Dante Stills kind of looks like that kind

466
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Speaker 1: of player six four yeah to nineties. I would also

467
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Speaker 1: out of Christian Barmore and daniel Aquality played some snaps together, Yeah,

468
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: if Daniel Qually ends up walking, I think that a

469
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Speaker 1: guy like Dante Stills just from the look of him,

470
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: looks a lot like the same type of body type

471
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Speaker 1: as well, and maybe could fit into that role again.

472
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Speaker 1: Another like early third day day three, mid day three

473
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Speaker 1: type of guy Cuple. We watched the offensive lineman a

474
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: little more to day we have. We tried so try

475
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Speaker 1: not to get enamored by their receivers and the corners

476
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: is hard. Yesterday was zay John Gains from UCLA. I

477
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: actually remember I need to look something up about him,

478
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: but this was the the interior offensive lineman that we saw. Yeah,

479
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: so the kid from Texas has had we want we

480
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: can get out of him on my list two, so

481
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: we can start with him morrow. I don't know if

482
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: it's Ojomo or Ojomo, so he's had. He's given pretty

483
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: much every single offensive lineman on the East team fits.

484
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: He's a defensive tackle, he's a big guy. But Gains

485
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: today beat him twice. Yeah, one on ones, So that

486
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: was really notable to me. It's kind of like when

487
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: you go out to Patriots practice and you're trying to

488
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: look at tackles depth tackles like a Yannie could just

489
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: or something like that, and he gets a rep against

490
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: Jude on right and it's like, how did he do that?

491
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: This was felt similar with the Texas getting back to

492
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: back reps games stone him yeah, and one on ones.

493
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: And I think it's really cool about one on ones

494
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: at this game compared to training camp, is that you

495
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: just have like an outside perimeter circle around the drill

496
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: that's just scouts, probably some gms that I didn't recognize,

497
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: or assistant gms, and then of course me and Alex

498
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: the Uture Brownies. But it's really cool because you get

499
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: to actually we were field level in front, like you know,

500
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: these guys are blocking ten yards in front of me,

501
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: and you can really hear the physicality and the pop

502
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: and the pads and see some of the hand technique

503
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Speaker 1: and handwork. And I thought Games did a really nice

504
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: job of absorbing some of the contact because the Texas

505
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: kid's been blown everybody off the ball, and he did

506
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: a good job of standing up to him and keeping

507
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Speaker 1: his hands inside and being able to ride him out

508
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: a little bit, which I think was really impressive. And

509
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to look up about Gains

510
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: because they had him at center and he looks big

511
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: for center, and I'm looking at it right now. So

512
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. He's listed at sixty

513
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: four three hundred, which is not off, but a little

514
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: big for a center. He played every single snap nine

515
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: hundred thirty two snaps at UCLA this year at right guard,

516
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Speaker 1: and actually I'm going further back last year, five hundred

517
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: ninety at right guard, about one hundred at center, about

518
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: one hundred at right tackle, one at left tackle. Was

519
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: mainly a right guard the year before that, and in

520
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen was a starting left guard. So he's played

521
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Speaker 1: in a lot of spots. He looks good, he looks competitive. Again,

522
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: we're talking about like day three. They need depth there, Yeah,

523
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: they need depth. So he could be a pick and

524
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: then the one other guy had from the East team,

525
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: or I had two more for one more offensive lineman.

526
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Speaker 1: You like Luke Haggard from from the Indiana great athlete,

527
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: really good athlete, can get out of his stance, can slide,

528
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: can move, can do all those types of things. He's

529
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: a little thin right now. He's won two hundred and

530
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: ninety seven pounds. I think we look up yeah, yeah,

531
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: so he's got to bulk up a little bit. But

532
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: he's six foot six, so he's got good length, he's

533
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: got good height for the position. When you look at him,

534
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: he's a little bit slender, like I mentioned, but when

535
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: you see him from up six to ninety seven, when

536
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: you see him up close, he looks like a tackle,

537
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: right Like, he just looks like a yeah. And I

538
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: think that when you you add some some muscle to

539
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: his frame, which he certainly can carry at six foot six,

540
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: It's not like he's a small guy. It's not an

541
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Speaker 1: Isaiah Win here. This is a tall dude. So at

542
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: six foot six, I think he can add some muscle

543
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: to him. But the one thing that I looked at

544
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: in particular today, and I think the general consensus is

545
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: that this is not a great group of tackles here

546
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl. These are more guys that are

547
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: going to be competing for NFL roster spots come August,

548
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily solutions at the tackle position long term in

549
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: terms of starting tackles, like the page, it's my need,

550
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: it's not. There's no Broderick Joneses here this week, right

551
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Those guys are not participating in these events. So I

552
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: think I look at a guy like Haggard and I

553
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: see a guy that potentially could be on an NFL roster,

554
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: maybe develop into something a little bit more if he

555
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: can add some weight. But clearly, out of this group,

556
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: he was the guy that stood out, that consistently got

557
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: to his landmarks, consistently got his hands on people, didn't

558
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: get pushed around too much, and was protecting his edge

559
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: and cleanly protecting his edge from most of the game

560
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: or most of the practice. Excuse me, which I can't

561
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: really politely, I can't really say that about all the

562
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: tackles that we've seen this week and then the one

563
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: other guy we've talked about the need for Day three tackles,

564
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: I think we earned tight ends. I think we talked

565
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: about this guy briefly yesterday, Blake Whiteheart from Weak for Us. Yeah,

566
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: looks a little bit like a better inline blocker than Barker,

567
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: right from so we talked about Daniel Barker two Barker's

568
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: six three two forty one. White art is because now

569
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: I have to scroll all the way to the bottom

570
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: because it's B versus W six three two forty nine.

571
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: But they're kind of similar players, like like, Barker definitely

572
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: looks more natural as a receiver. But white Hart, He's

573
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: not gonna win any awards for his route running, but

574
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't. You can't knock it. It's solid. Yeah, when

575
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: the ball's in a catchable spot, he catches it. He

576
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: blocks with a motor. Barker's the same way. He's a

577
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: little bit longer, so he's got kind of more of

578
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: a catch radius as a receiver. I think that's probably

579
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: the big difference. But another guy that just there's not

580
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: much to nitpick with his game technically, he's a he's

581
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: a very technically sound football player. Another guy that plays

582
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: with a motor. And again you get that guy on

583
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: day three. Just build some depth. That's kind of what

584
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: Day three is. I kind of feel like that's what

585
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: this tight end class is gonna end up being later on,

586
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: because earlier there's so many big names like Mayor from

587
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: Notre Dame and other players that Darnel Washington, Darnel Washington

588
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: that could be like top fifty guys, right, they're gonna

589
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: go off the fly off the board. But in this class,

590
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: what you're probably gonna see in tight end is a

591
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: lot of guys that go top fifty. Like there's probably

592
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: gonna be three. I think at least three, maybe four

593
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: tight ends that go in the first two rounds, and

594
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Speaker 1: then there's probably gonna be a big roll right where

595
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of tight ends like don't go

596
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: until day three. And I think the Patriots with Hunter

597
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: Henry and Johnny Smith Undercotton there more in the day

598
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: three conversation. We're looking to fill the tight end three spot.

599
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Speaker 1: And I think both the guys that you mentioned, the

600
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: way kid in the Michigan State tight end Barker, I

601
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: think both those guys have potential to be day tight

602
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: end threes. Maybe you'll give you something, whether it's Barkerd

603
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: giving you some juice in the passing game or the

604
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: wake Forest prospect giving you some juice as an inline

605
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: block or bike hitter. I think both of them can

606
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: do that, and they both I was watching some both

607
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: teams did kickoff drolls today. I was watching both. They

608
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: both looked capable in kickoff coverage, which they're gonna have

609
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: to be all right players I had from the West

610
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: team tomorrow. Douglas didn't do a lot late. It's interesting,

611
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: but he was running some really nice routes early in

612
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: one on once, so I think we uncovered a little

613
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: bit of something here in terms of how these rosters

614
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: are constructed. Yeah, and we're gonna talk. We're hoping to

615
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: have a guest on tomorrow, and I don't want to

616
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: give it away. It's gonna be a big surprise. It's

617
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: not Bill Belichick. It's not it's not Bill Belichick. But

618
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: we're hoping that Eric can give us a little bit.

619
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: I just gave it away director here. We're hoping that

620
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: Eric can also give us some insight into this. But basically,

621
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: the teams do have a little bit of input on

622
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: who gets put on their roster. It's not one hundred

623
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: percent that they might give them a little shortlist and say, hey,

624
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: we really want to work with these five to eight

625
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: players or something along those lines. And it was interesting

626
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: today towards the end of practice, it felt like certain

627
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: guys that maybe weren't getting reps in the first couple

628
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: of days they tried to fill in the reps a

629
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: little bit here today. And it's Douglas, right, because the

630
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: other one's Daniels and Mario Douglas. There's Demarrio Douglas and

631
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Dallas Daniels and their numbers eleven and twelve, and they

632
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: both kind of play that quick twitch spot receiver. It

633
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 1: did take a couple of days to get that sorted out.

634
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: But we were talking about Demarrio Douglas from Libody. So

635
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: Damario Douglass, I think has elevated himself past the other

636
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: tomorrow to the other, past Dallas, Dallas Daniels in a

637
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: big dawn day one. But this is this happens sometimes

638
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: with the speed guys. Yeah, like pads aren't on, they

639
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: can just run by everybody and they do it. But

640
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: we've had padded practices here last two days and you've

641
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: seen certain guys emerge and other guys maybe fall back.

642
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: And that tells you something because when there's actual contact,

643
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: when you actually have to be able to muscle through somebody,

644
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: when you have to actually be able to be physical,

645
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: who's able to still make the plays and who isn't.

646
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: And Douglas yesterday and then early today before he kind

647
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: of and we don't know why we didn't take part

648
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: in the second half of practice, but he's a smaller guy.

649
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: Let me go back to my measurements page again, So Douglas,

650
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: but he was he was beating guys up. When you

651
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: look at that up Douglas, we talk about seven seventy five,

652
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: so he's he's very small. But we talk a lot

653
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: about tiers as well as some of the other things

654
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: that we we harp on here, and we talk about

655
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: tiers with prospects and the Patriots dalton Kin Cage is

656
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: like my tweet there you go, we we do this

657
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: with the Patriots do this, and we know they do this.

658
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: Michael Lombardi's talked about it, and there's been other things

659
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: out there about they they put players into clusters or

660
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: into tiers, and they pick from that cluster and they

661
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: might look. This is why the Patriots move up and

662
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: down the draft board so much, is because they might

663
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: look at it and say, we think that these five

664
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: players are comparable at a position or in a part

665
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: of the draft board. So as long as we come

666
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: away with one of those five, we're good with it, right,

667
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: And that's why they move up and down the board

668
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: so much. Zay Flowers is like top fifty maybe even

669
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: day one version of what we're talking about the top

670
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: of this, Like if the top of this ladder is

671
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, right, and then it's Zay Flowers, right, and

672
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: then you get into like Josh down Tank Dell Rick

673
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: Kim Jarrett, and then you're talking probably you get to

674
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: Jamario Douglas, but he's kind of pushing Rick Kim Jarrett

675
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: in Tank Dell in that range. So basically what we're

676
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: getting at is, if the Patriots don't go for the

677
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver that we're talking about, this quick twitch inside

678
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: slot receiver in round one two, let's call it, let's

679
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: call the first two days of the draft, then a

680
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: guy like Daniels is somebody that commit. Douglas, God, dang it,

681
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it by the end of this Douglas,

682
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna get drafted, get to show up to the

683
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: first press conference. So Daniels, Yeah, it's going on, man, Douglas.

684
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: That if that falls through the cracks a little bit.

685
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: You saw him at the Shrine Bowl, You coached him

686
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: at the Shrine Bowl. You come back in the fourth

687
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: or fifth round and you scoop him up then and

688
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: you still have somebody that you're putting into your pipeline

689
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: that has that bursty, quick twitch, whatever you want to

690
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: call it, type of slotability. I think what really stood

691
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: out to about him over the last couple of days

692
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: is his ability to separate at the release at the

693
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and really put some guys in blenders,

694
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: slants and you know, quick routes over the middle and

695
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: things like that. He absolutely dropped a corner yesterday on

696
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: a slant and one on one the guy felt flat

697
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: on his face trying to cover him out of the release.

698
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: So he has that suddenness and that quickness at the

699
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage to get open quickly and be presentable

700
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: to the quarterback early in the down, which I think

701
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: is something that we're looking for. I think the Patriots

702
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: need that, especially with Bill O'Brien back. Well, we talked

703
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: a lot on the show the last show we didn't

704
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Fox Burrow, which feels like a month ago now, but

705
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: it was less than a week and that Bill O'Brien

706
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: offense and having that option receiver in the middle, that

707
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: slot receiver Wes Welker Julian Edelman. I think he's I

708
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: don't know he's gonna do it at the level of

709
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: Welker Edelman. Yeah, but he's a guy that I think

710
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: could really realistically have a shot at handling that role. Yeah,

711
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: I agree, And I would also just wrap it on him. Yeah.

712
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: On Douglas, Yes, Yeah, Demarrio Douglas, Douglas. Oh, it's been

713
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: a couple of days. There's so many names, Like it's yeah,

714
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: it's been like I know, I don't want to sound uninformed.

715
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: There's just so many damn names. No, it's actually easier

716
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: to do it by numbers, id by school and like

717
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: it's I felt bad yesterday because like Chase Bryce, who's

718
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback for AB State, who personally I'm a fan of. Yeah,

719
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: not just his game, but like if go look up

720
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: what he did after he threw the Hail Mary touchdown

721
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: against UM and he it was coastal whoever it was against,

722
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: and when they rushed the field, he's helping fans on.

723
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: But like just a cool guy and he made a

724
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: nice throw yesterday and I want to tweet about it,

725
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: but I did Austin Bryce instead of Chase Price, so

726
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: the a in my head for AB State, So I

727
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: like he retweeted, but like I felt bad because he

728
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: deserved the credit. But yeah, there's there's a lot of names,

729
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: a lot of numbers. It's all flying around. But the

730
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: last thing on on Demarrio Douglas, So I think that

731
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: he's gonna get contributed in the kicking game. Yeah, they

732
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: had him working as a kick returner today because he's

733
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: got some speed. I think he can do that. We'll

734
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: see if he can tackle, because I think he might

735
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: be able to cover kicks with that speed as well.

736
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: Yeah that's gonna be a size question. But yeah, yeah,

737
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: so we'll see you well. But it's just a fun jitterbug,

738
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: like a fun quick jitterbug type of receiver. I love

739
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: watching those types of receivers. I think we all do,

740
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: but specifically in these types of settings. It's fun. It's

741
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: fun to see those guys create a bunch of separation

742
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: and get open and do some different things. All right,

743
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, I still got more players. Oh I know,

744
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: I know where I was segueing into your next players.

745
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: Go ahead, do you know who my next player was? Now?

746
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: So are you gonna see? I was just giving you

747
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: the floor, all right. So one more offensive player, because

748
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: it really was a defensive day for the West team.

749
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: But Moeebraham, the running back from Minnesota. This is kind

750
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: of a collective thing, not just today. It's not what

751
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: he made one great plate of a nice run during

752
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: that red zone period, but he's a I mean, he

753
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: is a bowling ball back coming at a Minnesota watching

754
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: round for sixteen hundred yards this year, third in the nation.

755
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: Was like that for three years, Like that's what he did.

756
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: And I talked to him on Friday, and his big

757
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: thing when he kept saying all around, Like he kept

758
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: saying all around, back, all around back. That's what he

759
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: wants to show teams he is. He wants to show

760
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: he can contribute in the passing game. Says he's built

761
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of a relationship with Shane Vereene. Yeah,

762
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: obviously was pretty good at that and he's looked pretty

763
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: good catching the football. He's looked pretty confident. He got

764
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: a pass and I think it was one on ones

765
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: that we were like standing right on the sideline floor

766
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: and he got open at the top of the route.

767
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: This is a big back, right, this is a guy

768
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: that the guy is that's and thick, right. It just

769
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: doesn't he looks like Kevin Harris, right, he looks like

770
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: that kind of bad. Yeah, he made a really ran

771
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: a really nice route, got open, lost the linebacker and

772
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: was able to get open down the sideline and take

773
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: it the distance. Now he's one on one, so I

774
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: don't know if he would have actually taken at the distance,

775
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 1: but you get the idea for a guy who didn't

776
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: do that in college, like I think he got six

777
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: passes last year, who really didn't do that in college.

778
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: He looks very comfortable doing it, and that doesn't mean

779
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: he's great at it, but it tells you that there's

780
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: probably some room to improve there, that it's something he

781
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: can get good at, and that would be big for

782
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: him in terms of his evaluation. Yeah, absolutely, because he's

783
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: put up absolutely ridiculous numbers in Minnesota. Talk about production

784
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: video game numbers, and mendesaid, all right, who else is

785
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: on your list? All right, so now we're going to

786
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: get five more Drake to Trey Thomas, linebacker from North

787
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: Carolina State, had that interception late. Another one of these

788
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: quicker linebackers, you know, second level guys. He's somebuddy that

789
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people view as a sleeper in this draft.

790
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: We are actually so one of them was Tradeing. We

791
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: already talked about Tradeing. He obviously had a very big day.

792
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: Motiabat from Utah. I've kind of waiting for him to

793
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: pop and don't say the play cloud play call too loud, thought, Yeah,

794
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: that's true. He's calling the plays out. He's like, I'm

795
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: sitting We're sitting in the in the stands, and he

796
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: called out the call. I don't want to call out

797
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: the call because I don't want to give it away.

798
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: But he called out the call, and I knew what

799
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: the play call was for the defense. I mean it

800
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: was a pretty basic call. I'm not saying it was

801
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: some ridiculous call, but I was like, oh, well, now

802
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: I know what they're playing. And one of the Patriots coaches,

803
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: who remained nameless for this purpose, he shouted at him

804
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: and said, hey, quiet down, don't tell the offense what

805
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: the call is. Yeah, it's pretty funny, but you know,

806
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: on that play, what does he do? He blew up

807
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: a run in the backfield, just just shot right through

808
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: a gap, blew up the run. I talked to him

809
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: a little bit after practice. He said he's been very comfortable,

810
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: specifically like in the Patriots defense. And we know that

811
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: a lot is asked about middle a lot a lot

812
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: is asked of middle linebackers. He went to Utah right

813
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: in this defense, So three years at Florida transferred to Utah. Okay,

814
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: so right, because I remember the story down. Yeah, it's

815
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: interesting that at Utah because Devin Lloyd came out of Utah.

816
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: So he like Devin Lloyd leap right, he plugs in

817
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: that role where Devin Lloyd left, Like he took over

818
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: that role. That would be so freaking Patriots to take

819
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: the like day three, Devin Lloyd after seeing him at

820
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: the shrine, like this is that's by the book. I

821
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: mean you can well so. And you remember my conversation

822
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: with Diabat earlier this week, right where he's talking about

823
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: Willie McGinnis and Teddy Rusky and then he goes back

824
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: to Jack Lambert he knows. He's like, yeah, they did.

825
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: They passed on Devin last year because it was too

826
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: too high to draft a linebacker for them, But now

827
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: they're going to come back and get me in the

828
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: fourth round. So I was a PJ. Mustafer from Penn State,

829
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: had a sack during team, had a couple nice one

830
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: on one wins. I see him more as a kind

831
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: of a run stopping interior linement. So that just sort

832
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: of stood out. That's making plays in the passing. Look,

833
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of these defensive linemen have gotten after the

834
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: quarterback the last couple of days and stuff. Thought this

835
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: offensive line group has had some So it's going to

836
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: be interesting to see with some of these defensive life

837
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Like some of them I think are for real skills.

838
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: I think is for real. Yeah, and he's winning against

839
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: Jackson Kirkland, who's probably the best lineman here. Now he's

840
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: a guard, but he's he's the best one here. But yeah,

841
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to see. And then Truman Jones from Harvard. Yes,

842
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: he had a pass deflection. I saw him. He looked

843
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: good in one on one. So he's he's kind of

844
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: looked like he's been there all week, right, but today

845
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was his best day. He had a

846
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: nice day to day. Who's the quarterback that you've been

847
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: ragging on? The quarterback? Yeah, the quarterback. You tell me

848
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: that he can't play a Tommy DeVito. He my favorite

849
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: quarterback here if the three West West quarterbacks. Like I said,

850
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: I like Chase Bryce. I think he's got a really

851
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: good demeanor for the position. Uh you know, he's a

852
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: little bit mobile. Dorian Thompson Robinson five years starter, very

853
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: high football. IQ has thrown the ball incredibly well. I

854
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: just you watch what what Syracuse did with DeVito there

855
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 1: and then Illinois last year. I never got the feeling

856
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: his coaches trusted him, and that's my biggest thing with him.

857
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: I think there's some natural ability there, Like it seemed

858
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: like the way teams handled him that there's some sort

859
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: of unknown there that for whatever reason, he never really

860
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: you want your quarterback to take control. He never really

861
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: felt like he was in control either Syracuse or at Illinois.

862
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: Made the best throw of the day to day in

863
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: a bad offensive day. He made the best throw he

864
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: did for the West team. I'm trying to think of

865
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: either of the East quarterback. Tanner Morgan made a nice

866
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: throw on the run, full field progression in the red zone,

867
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: went one, two, three, right to left and hit the

868
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: backside dig for a touchdown in the back of the

869
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: end zone. That was one of the better progressions that

870
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: any of the quarterbacks have had all week. Okay, well

871
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: he was. He also dropped three snaps. I'm like, I'm

872
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: not saying that he could that he could play. I

873
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: just thought it was funny. Let's get Let's give Michael

874
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: Jefferson credit for the catch to the wide receiver from Louisiana.

875
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: The Cajunes made a nice catch in the back of

876
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: the end zone, but it was funny to watch him

877
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: look right to a I think it looked like a

878
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: little bit of like a snagger, a corner con seft

879
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: and they came off that and he came over the ball,

880
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: that receiver was covered and he came to the backside

881
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: dig and finally found the open guy and hit it.

882
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, that's a full field progression

883
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: right there, you know what. And it's a he's a

884
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: Bill mcguy. So there's that Patriots connection. He's gonna have

885
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: like somewhere, maybe not know Englim, he's gonna have like

886
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: a brock Purty. So run somewhere, you're gonna run. So

887
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: before we move off quarterbacks and wrap up here a

888
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: little bit, I do think we should talk about dtr

889
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: a little bit because he has impressed a lot of

890
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: people with how he's thrown the football in the best

891
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: quarterback here so he had He had a couple of

892
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: rough interceptions today, but the whole West Team offense played terribly,

893
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: so those I think the receiver were in the wrong round. Yeah,

894
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: I think you're correct. The one that Dean caught up

895
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: the team was not a good throw, but he lost

896
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: the safety and it happens. But I think everybody knew.

897
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: The two things that everybody knew about dtr coming in

898
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: was the intangibles. Experienced guy, team and captain. Really well spoken.

899
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: We spoke to him yesterday, right after the day before that.

900
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: The first BOBO was yesterday. He was the day before that,

901
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: so we spoke to him after practice. Very well spoken, guy,

902
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: has that quarterback demeanor about him. And then he's a

903
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: great runner. He's a good athlete. He's a dual threat quarterback.

904
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: He can run with the football very well. And I

905
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people here have been impressed

906
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: with how he's thrown the ball. He's thrown the ball

907
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: a lot better than expected. I think in particular, maybe

908
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, without the benefit of the all twenty two.

909
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too much into like the

910
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: reads and stuff like that, because I'm one hundred percent

911
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: sure how sharp he's been there. But the ball's come

912
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: out with some zip, it's come out with some accuracy,

913
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: and I think he's thrown the football a little bit

914
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: better than people expected. And you also get into this

915
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: element of it's probably a late day three guy, if

916
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: not a priority UDFA and those guys have value as

917
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: scout team quarterbacks. Potentially, if you're the Patriots and you're

918
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: playing Lamar Jackson in Baltimore and you have DTR on

919
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: your scout team, He's somebody that can run that style

920
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: of offense for you and actually give the defense something

921
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: to think about with his legs. And you're not asking

922
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer to mimic Lamar Jackson, or you're not taking

923
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Lynn Bowden, who they just signed to a futures contract

924
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: and making him a quarterback for the week just because

925
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: you need somebody that's athletic. You have a real quarterback

926
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: that can run that style of offense and be a

927
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: scout team QB. And I think he's got some upside

928
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: as a passer as well that we maybe didn't know about. Yeah,

929
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I went back to Connor Orr wrote

930
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: this piece back in December NSI about Brock Purty And

931
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: this isn't to compare Dtr to Brock Party, which is

932
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: because Party was a similar guy. Where also the Shrine

933
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: Bowl guy, by the way, also Shrine Bowl guy, multi

934
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: year starter, smart guy, really good runner in college, but

935
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: there was never a ton on his plate as a

936
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: passer and he was pretty limited in that regard and

937
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: what he did when he was preparing for the draft.

938
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't remember the guy's name, but he worked with

939
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: some trainer and completely reworked the way he threw the football.

940
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: He did special exercises, he literally retrained his brain as

941
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: to how he wanted his release to go. All of

942
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: that in or his piece credits that for kind of

943
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: how he was able to adapt to the NFL to

944
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: turn him into Tom Brady. But it improved his throwing

945
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: ability to the point where he could be competitive in

946
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I'm watching dtr and I don't know that.

947
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: Like this process took months for Purdy, I don't think

948
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: he's gone through the whole thing. I don't know if

949
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: this is what he's doing, but he does. His mechanics

950
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: do look different than they did at UCLA. He does

951
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: look a bit more compactive, Palmer Quincy, Avery, you know,

952
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: Tom House, whoever. Look Maybe it's just because something I've

953
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: never seen him in person before, I'd only seen him

954
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: on TV. Maybe it looks quicker in person, but he does,

955
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: like I'm more impressed with his mechanics than I thought.

956
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not just that he's when you say, he's

957
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: throwing the ball better than people thought it's not necessarily

958
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: that the results. He's not laying it up out here. Now,

959
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: it's not what I'm saying, but it's more he looks

960
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: more like an NFL pass or in terms of the mechanics.

961
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: Then I think people expected versus I can't remember the

962
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: guy's named, like the quarterback from Fordham who's on the

963
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: best team, Like looks clunky, right, right, he doesn't look

964
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: like DTR. Looks. His arm looks really good. It looks natural. Yeah,

965
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: I even just look at and this sounds a little

966
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: bit simple, but I think that this is part of

967
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: what goes into this whole thing that we're here for.

968
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: Is they were running that gauntlet drill yesterday, yeah, and

969
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: the day before in front of Bill Belichick the day

970
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: before that, and out of all the guys that were

971
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: consistently putting the ball in front of the receiver where

972
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be with some zip, I thought DTR

973
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: was throwing the best ball. And I thought that Bill

974
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: kind of gave him a little bit of a dap

975
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: up for that as well. He made some really good

976
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 1: throws and the red Zone was speaking of brock Purty,

977
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: by the way, apparently he's out for six months the

978
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: UCL surgery schefter. That's basically Tommy John Right. Yes, so yikes,

979
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: we've seen a walking around. It's a little a bit

980
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 1: of the hotel that we're at is the Shrine Bowls

981
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: base camp here in Vegas, and there's Brock Purty posters

982
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: all over the place because he's a Shrine Bowl. There's

983
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: also a certain other quarterback that used to play for

984
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots and we're number twelve who has a few

985
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl alumni posters around. Unfortunately none of them in

986
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: Patriots jerseys and Bucks jerseys. But anyways, Yeah, it's it's

987
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: interesting with a DTR. And I remember do we talk

988
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: about this on the show. I'm not sure if we did,

989
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: but I kind of gave a take to you at

990
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: some point, whether it was on air or off the air,

991
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: about how I would wouldn't mind the Patriots investing not

992
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: not serious draft capital. We're not talking about a first

993
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: round pick or anything, but investing in a Day three

994
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: quarterback that has some tools, like some physical roles, and

995
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: not the intangibles guy, not the brains guy, not the

996
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: Bailey z Appy, no offense to Bailey z Appy. But

997
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: somebody maybe it's DTR, like maybe it's somebody like that

998
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: who either has great mobility or has a great r

999
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: or like has something like the guys, the guys here

1000
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about our DTR and Tanner Morgan, right, would

1001
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: be those two. Yeah, I mean, like, I think they

1002
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: can get either those guys undrafted. I don't think they're

1003
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: gonna need to use draft capital on that. Now. Maybe

1004
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: DTR starts blowing teams away in interviews because I think

1005
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: he might do that. Yeah, he's just he's a polished kid. Yeah,

1006
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: and you know, because they'll do the thing where they

1007
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: put the film on and have him break it down,

1008
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: He's going to just be great at that. Yeah, maybe

1009
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: he's a seventh round pick guy. But yeah, I mean

1010
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: I wouldn't for the scout team thing like we talked about.

1011
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be opposed to that. I just feel like

1012
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,959
Speaker 1: the guy, the guy that I had sort of used.

1013
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: And maybe I don't think DTR fits this bill because

1014
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: it's too high in the draft. The Patriots took Jacobe

1015
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: Percent I think in the fourth round. Yeah, maybe it

1016
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: was late third and he just had something different than

1017
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: their quarterback room had at the time. Right, you know,

1018
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: they had Brady who was obviously Brady, but looking at

1019
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: Jimmy g who's more of what Matt Jones is. They

1020
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of had that floor the backup player and Jimmy

1021
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: j Like the Patriots half with Mack and Bailey zappy.

1022
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: I would dislike to see them maybe add somebody into

1023
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: the organization. And I'm not again, I'm not saying it

1024
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: needs to be one. You gave me a different comp

1025
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: earlier today that I actually thought made a lot of sense.

1026
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: Danny Etling, Yeah, who people don't think of Danny Etling

1027
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: is athletic, but he was. Yeah, he could run around.

1028
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: Remember they tried moving him to tight end and receiver

1029
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, another multi year starter everybody raved about.

1030
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: You know how great he was on the scout team

1031
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: at LSU when they still had him running the scout

1032
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: team sometimes when he was a starter and all of that. Like,

1033
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: that's the comp to me for dtr if the Patriots

1034
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: wanted to make that move, is what they did with

1035
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: Danny Etling. Yeah, I'd be interesting to see what the

1036
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff thinks of him. I think a lot of

1037
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: scouts here have been impressed with how he's throwing the football,

1038
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: but how has he retained the information. How has he

1039
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: handled the offense, because this offense that they have him

1040
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: in with Chip Kelly and UCLA, it's it's not completely foreign.

1041
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: Now obviously they they're not they're not making his legs

1042
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: a thing here, right, these are he's in a red

1043
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: non contactors. It's all star game practice. Well, so I'll

1044
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: give him credit for this. We've seen Tier Morgan, We've

1045
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: seen Tommy DeVito. We've seen UM eight and O'Connell at

1046
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: times tuck the ball and run in not only in

1047
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: elevens in sevens, We've seen a lot of quarterbacks in

1048
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: this game very willing to kind of just scramble. Dtr

1049
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: is the guy that's his game is to try when

1050
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: nothing's there. Pocket. Yeah, and he's not doing it. And

1051
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: and I mean that in a good way. Like he

1052
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: wants to prove to these coaches that he can create

1053
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: in in um, what's the word I'm looking for, instructure? Instructure,

1054
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: thank you. He wants to roof to the coaches that

1055
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: he can create instructure, he can throw from the pocket.

1056
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: So he has that, he's out to go run around

1057
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of these other quarterbacks are taking it

1058
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: and like, guys, are I'm sorry guys are scrambling in

1059
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: seven on seven. It's like, what are you doing? Or

1060
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: checking it down? In seven on say? Which is the

1061
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: word throw? No dtrs here to throw the football. That's

1062
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: awesome to see. Yeah, well we just typed them up

1063
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be the next Lamar Jackson. You heard

1064
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: it here first. Now we're totally kidding. Maybe Tyler Huntley,

1065
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: though maybe that Huntley is not a bad comp. Maybe

1066
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: that's a comp for Okay, Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

1067
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: somewhere between Brock Purty, Tyler Huntley, Danny Ettling. That sort

1068
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: of thing that we just went from Lamar Jackson to

1069
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: the rest of them, basically is what what we were saying.

1070
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: Anybody else outs before we wrap it up. I want

1071
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: to make sure we get everybody off the iPhone. Thereat Oh,

1072
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: Michael Turk didn't punt today, Um, so he's so upset. Well, No,

1073
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: I went da ballex up after the practice though. Yeah,

1074
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: he said hi to me. I wish we'd seen him

1075
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: or Jake Moody, the kicker who we haven't seen kick

1076
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: one field goal. I wish we would have seen either

1077
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: of them do kickoffs because I think the Patriots would

1078
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: be interested in both of them, but they're gonna need

1079
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: a kickoff guy, right. So when I said they did

1080
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: kickoff drills, they did it with the jugs machine. So

1081
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: I was kind of bummed we didn't see that. Um,

1082
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's I think that's it. I

1083
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: think I've talked about all the prospects I wanted to

1084
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: talk about today, Well the Patriots. Actually, can we quickly

1085
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: talk about one prospect that isn't here? Sure? All right?

1086
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: Dawn Jones had his measurement yesterday at the Senior Bowl. Yeah,

1087
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: and so this is the guy you've heard me talk

1088
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: about him before, Ohio State's right tackle. He's listed at

1089
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: six eight three to sixty to begin with, and he

1090
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: has a seven the wingspan. He's a ninety inch wingspan.

1091
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: He has the wingspan of somebody who's seven six. I'm

1092
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: looking here right now. I just got pulled up on

1093
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: Twitter to find the measurement. This is a direct quote,

1094
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: the equivalent of a full grown mail crane. And what

1095
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: that means is when you have arms that long, as

1096
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: long as your technique solid, nobody's ever getting into your body. Yeah. Right,

1097
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: So this is a guy that's projected second round pick

1098
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: right now, I have said I think he's going to

1099
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: sneak into that top group with Dwan Jones and Paris

1100
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: Johnson and Peter Scronsky. Yeah, Rodrick Jones, Brodrick Jones, with

1101
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: Douglas Daniels, Jones, Jones, all of Jones. What do we

1102
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: know in New England? Yeah, like all of the measurables,

1103
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: sixty eight three, sixty ninety inch wing span. He's a monster.

1104
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: He all he has to do is like somewhat back

1105
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: it up on the field. So what's interesting about it too?

1106
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: And not? This is what we do. We always open

1107
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: the last We always open the panda. Didn't want to admit.

1108
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: I didn't want to admit that I had no more

1109
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: prospects to talk about it. I've never admitted that before.

1110
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do that. So Paris Johnson, the

1111
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: left tackle for Ohio State, is the guy in this draft.

1112
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: He's I think will probably end up being a top

1113
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: ten pick because he's the top tackle in the draft.

1114
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: You think you like him better than the scrouns, I

1115
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: think so. Okay, from there's still initially these rankings are

1116
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: all going to change, but initial looks at Speransky some

1117
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: NFL teams think he might might be a guard and

1118
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: I know you, I know you hate. I know you

1119
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: hate that. I didn't even as it was coming off

1120
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. I was like, Oh God, this

1121
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: is gonna open a whole other thing we don't have

1122
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: time for right now. You will get into another time.

1123
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: We do it another time I want. But Dwan Jones

1124
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: is classic Patriots of everybody's looking at the left tackle,

1125
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: but we were evaluating the film and we actually really

1126
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: like the right tackle too, and maybe we end up

1127
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: getting the right tackle later than everybody picked the left

1128
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: tackle right like that, that's so them, it's not even funny.

1129
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: And now I think that that has gotten them into

1130
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: some trouble in the past because it's a different tier

1131
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: of talent, right, But in this case, I don't necessarily

1132
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: think that that's the case. It's just if he was

1133
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: a left tackle, he'd be in that group. So to

1134
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: give a but you look at like Orlando Brown being

1135
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: a free agent, right, yeah, Orlando Brown and Dwan Jones,

1136
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: they go, it's the same guy. Yeah, you look at

1137
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: the I think it was Cash Malaia, right. He came

1138
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: from Wyoming, I think, and he was played at the

1139
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: second level with Logan Wilson at Wyoming and the Patriots.

1140
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: After they drafted Cash, they said, well, we did a

1141
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: lot of homework on Logan Wilson, and as we were

1142
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: doing the homework on Logan Wilson, this other guy kept

1143
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: popping on the film. It was Cash Malawia. Logan Wilson's

1144
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 1: now a standout player for the Bengals, right, So, yeah,

1145
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: this has gotten them into some trouble in the past.

1146
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: I think this is a little different. I agree, I

1147
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: think so, But I think the path there might be

1148
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: the same. They're watching Ohio State, they're watching the offensive line,

1149
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: watching Paris Johnson to what now. The other thing is

1150
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: Cash was like buried and that's Whyoming sixth round pick

1151
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: Dwan Jones isn't exactly a secret especially now. I think

1152
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: it's totally different from that respect. I agree. I just

1153
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: I get weary of that because they've done in the past. Half.

1154
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: I still if they sign a left tackling free agency,

1155
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be all about Dawn Jones. Yeah, I'm with you.

1156
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a good player tune, you know.

1157
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: I am my filling on Ohio State tackles and quarterbacks,

1158
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: all right, some logistical bookkeeping things. Most of the Patriots

1159
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,919
Speaker 1: scouting department front office, and we're not one hundred percent sure,

1160
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: but we think maybe Bill Belichick is mobile bound for

1161
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. We do know for a fact that

1162
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: mac row is mobile bound, so a lot of the

1163
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: front office has now migrated to Mobile for the Senior Bowl,

1164
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: which begins tomorrow. So there'll be one day of overlap,

1165
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: first day of Senior Bowl practices and last day of

1166
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl practices. They're bowl tomorrow on Tuesday. We're obviously

1167
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: going to stay here at the Shrine Bowl and go

1168
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: to the Raiders headquarters tomorrow for the last Shrine Bowl

1169
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: practice in our last podcast and show from here as well.

1170
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: But we'll keep tabs on the Senior Bowl certainly, and

1171
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,959
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the Senior Bowl time at some point

1172
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: on the podcast in the next week. I can promise

1173
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: you that. But it's interesting to see how they've broken

1174
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: this up. We can't confirm that Bill Belichick's not in

1175
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: Vegas because maybe he just was doing other things this morning,

1176
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: but he wasn't at practice right, and neither was Bill O'Brien,

1177
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: and neither was macro. So I think there is a

1178
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: Patriots contingency that has moved on to Mobile, but there's

1179
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: still some Patriots people here, and obviously a lot of

1180
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: the coaching staff is still here. Yeah. Yeah, And at

1181
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: a certain point, you know, with the scouts, I think

1182
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: a lot of that is just meetings, yeah, right, getting

1183
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: to know them, and the coaches can give them a

1184
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: good evaluation of the football part. So, right, they've had

1185
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: all their meetings, right, They've got to know them. Yeah,

1186
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: So a lot of the meetings here, a lot of

1187
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: what's happening here from a scout perspective, is just confirmation

1188
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: of what you saw on film. Like you think that

1189
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: this guy has good speed, and the eye test tells

1190
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: you has good speed. You think that this tackles good

1191
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: with his hands, and you can see it up close

1192
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: and personal. You can see the physicality all that kind

1193
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: of stuff. But then I think a heavy heavy lift

1194
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: of this entire experience is the mental makeup of these

1195
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: players and the what's between the ears, both football IQ wise,

1196
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: but also just the person and the worker that they

1197
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: are as well. And I know Jim Nagy from the

1198
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl already tweeted out that every prospect meets with

1199
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: every single team, so you don't have to hear player

1200
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: X met with play a team why. And I think

1201
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl does the same exact thing as well.

1202
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: So this is a really interesting fact finding mission. That's

1203
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna call it. It's a it's an information

1204
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: gathering mission for these scouting departments over the next couple

1205
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: of weeks, as is the Combine. Honestly, but truly, the

1206
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: board doesn't actually get set until I would say after

1207
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: free agency. But you really are getting the board more

1208
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: set after the Combine, once you have all that information.

1209
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: But the Shrine Bowl, the Senior Bowl, the Combine, all

1210
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: this is about is filling out the fall evaluation. Like

1211
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: you know what the film said, you know what your area,

1212
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: Scott that was on location. I can't on campus for

1213
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: a lot of these kids over the fall season. And

1214
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: now you're just making sure that you cross your teas

1215
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: and dot your eyes and figure out all the different

1216
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: information that you can. So Alex and I will be

1217
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: back on the show tomorrow for our final show from

1218
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: Vegas here on Catch twenty two Raiders Headquarters. Obviously looking

1219
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: forward to seeing the writers head I mean, Bill call

1220
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: what do you call it? The taj Mahal football. So

1221
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: that sounds like the kind of thing I'd be interested in.

1222
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: So it is the taj Mahal of football, and we

1223
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: will be live from the taj Mahal of Football tomorrow

1224
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: right here on Catch twenty two for the final day

1225
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: of Shrine Bowl practices. So we'll tatch you guys then.

1226
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,800
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