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Speaker 1: Let's welcome Dave to the show. Welcome right on, man,

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Speaker 1: Dave Burke. Welcome to the show. Now I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Dave holds both a Master's International Public Policy and an

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Speaker 3: Dave rad That was rad Man. Good job, dude.

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Speaker 3: Now look back, I listened to you read my resume.

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Speaker 1: it up from, so that you see what they're saying.

434
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Speaker 1: You can grow from those comments. It's like, hey, man,

435
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: you know you said you misspelled Bravo. You're like, oh,

436
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: did I Let me go look at that in the book.

437
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 1: Oh I did. I got caught. You know, you can

438
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 1: grow from that, so next time, you don't misspell Bravo. Right,

439
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: Just these little things can just help you to better

440
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: yourself as a person, let alone as a leader, which

441
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: is really what you're focused on. Just kind of like

442
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 1: solely born to be You're you're born to lead. You know,

443
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: there's just you can't deny it. My dad would always

444
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: tell me, you know, if not you, then who And

445
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 1: I would be like, well, I don't want to do it.

446
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: And he's like, well why not? And I'm like, well,

447
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do it. And he's like, well,

448
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: if you don't try, then why do you deny it?

449
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so I attribute that conversation from my

450
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 1: dad to me about where I'm at today, ycause he's like,

451
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: if you don't try something. If you don't put yourself

452
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 1: out there to see if it is you, you'll never

453
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 1: ever know if it's you, and it may just be

454
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Speaker 1: what you need to do. And I'm just like, okay, Dad, Dad,

455
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Speaker 1: I agree.

456
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Speaker 3: Man, does seem like cliches. That's good life advice. Man,

457
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 3: it's good life advice, and avoiding discomfort doesn't. It's not normal.

458
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 3: We actually seek comfort, but being uncomfortable and seeking discomfort

459
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 3: is a good way to grow.

460
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Speaker 1: Man. I your dad gave some good advice. You know

461
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Speaker 1: who else gives good advice is Adam McRaven. Talk about

462
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Speaker 1: being comfortable. The man wants a made bed, so everyone

463
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: should just make the bed to be comfortable. Right. He's

464
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 1: he's looking for that comfort in a long, hard day.

465
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Speaker 1: I believe he's the one that said at the commencement

466
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Speaker 1: ceremony for a college a few years back, you know

467
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Speaker 1: why we make our beds at buds at Navy Seal,

468
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Speaker 1: why we're gonna be trained killers and hardened men to

469
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Speaker 1: go do jobs that no one wants to do. It's

470
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Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, you go back

471
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Speaker 1: to a made bed, you can just crawl right into

472
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Speaker 1: it and be like, oh, gosh, what a day.

473
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Speaker 3: He's awesome. He wrote one of the on my book jacket.

474
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Speaker 3: He wrote one of the blurbs there and have someone

475
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Speaker 3: like him and his experience and his influence. Man a,

476
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Speaker 3: what an awesome, awesome.

477
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Speaker 1: Right here as a fact says raw, heart pounding and

478
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Speaker 1: incredibly authentic. The Need to Leave takes you from the

479
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: cockpit to the foxhole, from the boardroom to the living room,

480
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: and teaches you leadership lessons that only a guy like

481
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Speaker 1: Dave Burke could teach. This book will change the way

482
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Speaker 1: you think about leadership and will make you a better

483
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: leader in the c suite and a better person in life.

484
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Speaker 1: Don't forget to make your bed. He forgot, I added

485
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Speaker 1: that work. Admiral William McRaven us Navy retired also number one.

486
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Speaker 1: Oh he shut the front door, Number one New York

487
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Speaker 1: Times bestselling author of Make your Bed.

488
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Speaker 3: There you go, it's in there.

489
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Speaker 1: There's a small plug for you, sir, okay, I just

490
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Speaker 1: want to He's amazing. I should have read the whole

491
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Speaker 1: thing first. I would have would have made more sense

492
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Speaker 1: of that. But at the end of the day, making

493
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Speaker 1: your bed so you have something comfortable to get into

494
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Speaker 1: you right start off.

495
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: With a wain too. You get up, you start productive

496
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Speaker 3: out of the gate, and that sets the stage for

497
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Speaker 3: being productive throughout the day. It's a good advice.

498
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like the first thing you do. It's like, hey,

499
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my bed, and so I do that now,

500
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Speaker 1: even more so after, you know, a few years ago,

501
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,479
Speaker 1: when he reminded me through that commencement speech, I was like, oh,

502
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to start making my bed every morning.

503
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Speaker 1: So now I make it, and my wife home from

504
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: work before me, and guess what she can do. Boom,

505
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: the beds made nice. That's what's up, right, that's what's up.

506
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm thinking about here. Okay, it's not

507
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: so much me, it's so much she likes I made

508
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: it before I can think, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Okay.

509
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: And so as the father, as the leader of the household,

510
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: co leader with my wife, if you will, those are

511
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: just some of the things that matter, small little details

512
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: that go a long way to sustaining my business relationship

513
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Speaker 1: with my wife. Because according to the State of Utah,

514
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: we're a corporation as we're married. Right, you get a

515
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: business license, you get a marriage license, You file taxes

516
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: for your business, you file taxes for your marriage. So

517
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Speaker 1: I've been with her for twenty six years. I find

518
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Speaker 1: it to be my most successful business adventure with her.

519
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: So you know, she just tells me I'm all sorts

520
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: of green flags all the time. She's like, oh you're

521
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: green flags. I'm like, okay, cool, we'll roll that way.

522
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Speaker 1: But you know that I just want to glean off

523
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: of you, and you know, just just your man and

524
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: just who you are because of your book and what

525
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: you've done and how you are as a leader. I

526
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: think that that's awesome. And you know, did you plan

527
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: on echelon front? I mean, Jocko the Bruises squad, I

528
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: mean like this whole that's another cocoon.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I didn't plan on any of this. And

530
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Speaker 3: and the looking back, like the sequence of events that

531
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: led to it or just kind of outlandish to think

532
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: you could anybody could ever plan for that. And you know,

533
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Speaker 3: I look back at my career and certainly if you

534
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Speaker 3: look at the resume, I got to fly these four

535
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Speaker 3: different airplanes and top and I had this amazing career

536
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: flying airplanes better than anybody, certainly better than I could

537
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Speaker 3: have ever imagined, well, I spent one year out of

538
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 3: the cockpit to be a Ford Air Controller. I wanted to.

539
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a FAC and just have a

540
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Speaker 3: year as a fact. And it turns out the one

541
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Speaker 3: year that I volunteered to be a Ford Air controller,

542
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Speaker 3: I end up in Ramadi, Iraq, working alongside a seal

543
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Speaker 3: team that was led by Jocko Willinkin, Laif Babin. Totally

544
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: random and so we end up working really closely together.

545
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Speaker 3: This is in two thousand and six. I can assure

546
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: you in two thousand and six, when I'm the Ford

547
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Speaker 3: Air Controller my Anglica team working with Laife and Jocko's

548
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 3: seal team TASKI and Bruiser, there's no thought on my

549
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: mind like, hey, maybe ten years from now they'll start

550
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 3: a leadership company and write a leadership book and ask

551
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Speaker 3: me to join them. So the things that led to

552
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: that opportunity are so far outside of the idea of

553
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: like conscientious deliberate preparation. So when I got asked by

554
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Speaker 3: Laife to come join Eeschelan Front when it was just

555
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 3: him and Jocko, that was based on a relationship we

556
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Speaker 3: had ten years earlier from our time in Iraq, that's

557
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 3: the one year out of the cockpit. So to think

558
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: that like the most impactful long term thing that I

559
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Speaker 3: would ever do would be the one year not flying.

560
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Speaker 3: It's just it's so far beyond what you could ever

561
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Speaker 3: imagine or plan or think of. So my path echelan front,

562
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Speaker 3: I have no I had no idea, no thoughts, no plans.

563
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Speaker 3: How it worked out as fortunate, an opportunity, but really

564
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: a testament to them bringing me in. I could have

565
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: never planned on something like that.

566
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Speaker 1: Now is echelon front is? And echelon is a movement

567
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: of men moving to the front. Right, that's echelon front, right,

568
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: Amy hitting that right on limit. Yeah, it's like and.

569
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Speaker 3: Then we are at the front echelon man, we're in

570
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: the leading edge of the.

571
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, on point, on point front. My dad would always say,

572
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: the reason why you want to be on point is

573
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: so you can duck first.

574
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Speaker 3: He seeks from experience.

575
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Speaker 1: I know he sees everything coming at you, see everything.

576
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Speaker 1: It's the guy behind you that doesn't see what's coming

577
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: at him. Thank you, I appreciate that. Yet, and he

578
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: was he had a master's in business and human manager

579
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: or human resources, and UH was working on his doctor

580
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: until he passed away from heart issues, which made me

581
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: go get my heart checked at forty. Right at forty

582
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm forty eight now, and they were like, oh, you

583
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: got calcium build up. You got to go get this

584
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: looked at. And I had a whole bunch of different stuff.

585
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: I didn't even feel like I had anything going on.

586
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: I was like, my dad had these issues, can I

587
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: get checked out? And so it took a lot for

588
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Speaker 1: me to walk into the doctor's office a grown man

589
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: and say, Hey, I think I have some issues or

590
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: maybe there might be some issues with my heart. Could

591
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: you just look at me and just take my labs

592
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: and come back and read it back to me. And

593
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you know what, Yeah, you kind of do.

594
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: Let's get you looked at, and you know, and I'm

595
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: not trying to go on a health rant here about

596
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: getting your colonoscopy as well, but you know, I had

597
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: to get that done because there was some of that

598
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: in the family history as well. So forty years old,

599
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of getting you know, checked out. And

600
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm forty eight now and I feel like I've got

601
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: a good control over my health with all the doctor

602
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: check ups, So like, hey, you're doing great. Your LDLs

603
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: are down, your cholesterol is completely down. You don't you know,

604
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: you're doing boxing every single day. And I'm like, yes, yes,

605
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: yes I am.

606
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: We want you around rad keep getting your stuff checked.

607
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: That's the way to do it. I'm in the same boat, man.

608
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: It is. And I want my listener out there to know, like,

609
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: if you're thinking, like maybe you should get checked something's

610
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: in your family history, just raise your hand. I don't

611
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: know if you have insurance or not, or if you're

612
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: a veteran and you're just fearing going to the VA,

613
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: just go to the VA and just talk to someone

614
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: as an advisor at the VA and see if they

615
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: can help you get through, you know, whatever you're going

616
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: through too. It's like, amen, man, amen, you know, and

617
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: it's okay. Guys need friends that are guys to hang

618
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: out with. It's it's a lonely world out there these days.

619
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Speaker 3: And tell them to go to the doctor, man, go

620
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: get checked out, go get checked up.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's okay, it's okay. I mean, I just want

622
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: to talk to you about the F sixteen K because

623
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: I have what do you got? Flew the simulator all right?

624
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: I was loaded up with iron eagle mode. I was

625
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: flying over all of Great Salt Lake and iron Eagle

626
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: mode is every single weapon and unlike I had so

627
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: many weaponry on my aircraft. And my instructor IRA is

628
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: a combat navigator. I want to say it. Instructor. I

629
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: called themself. He's like, I am a combat instructor, and

630
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that's right. Anyways, they explained to

631
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: me why I couldn't pull on the stick. They're like,

632
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: I know, you want to pull it like Red Baron

633
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 1: flies his plane radar, you know, but it doesn't move

634
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: at all. It's got like two pounds of pressure release

635
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: because in like the eighties, one of the pilots that

636
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: was trying to test it was putting like two hundred

637
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Speaker 1: pounds of pressure about breaking his wrist trying to like

638
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: move the aircraft because it's so sensitive to just touch. Yeah. Right,

639
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: So I mean I learned about shooting the watch. You know.

640
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: We talked about shooting the watch, right, okay, and then

641
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: we talked about My instruct is like, oh, he's going

642
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: to crash because it's like like terrain terrain train whatever.

643
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: It's like I'm hitting. They set up all these pirate

644
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: ships around the Great Salt Lake here in Utah where

645
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: there's an Antelope Island that's what it's called, and they

646
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: set up pirate ships all around it. I'm like, this

647
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: is just a video game, bro, Let's go. I've seen

648
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: Iron Eagle a million times. Let's go. You know. So

649
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: here I am flying and I'm like, can I dive

650
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: bomb down and throw rockets at it? And he's like valid,

651
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: So I do that, but they thought I was gonna crash,

652
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,239
Speaker 1: but I pulled up and he's like valid. So then

653
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: it's like, well, can I go behind the guy that's

654
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: chasing me? Hit my brakes and they come down behind him.

655
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: He's like yes, So I did that all because of

656
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: the movies. The top Gun is you know what I'm saying,

657
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 1: Like it did. Yeah. There's a amusement park here called Lagoon.

658
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 1: It's like our Disneyland. And we were flying all over

659
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: because basically you take off from Hill Air Force Base

660
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: and you got no time to do anything except sit

661
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: on a rocket and like check all your switches and

662
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: make sure that you're flying and you're not dying, because

663
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean literally there's no pitstop.

664
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a lot of flying. We called it

665
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: the Uter the Utah Test and training ring.

666
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Yes, out at Utah, yeah, I call it Utah uter

667
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, out there and they dropped the bomb, so

668
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. That's only take off

669
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: from hill.

670
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: You you didn't mention? Did they give you a walkman

671
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: to strap your leg when you're doing that? If you're

672
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: an urn ego guy, you have to have that right.

673
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: So I'm an iron eagle guy and a flight of

674
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: the Intruder guy all right, all gone by? Oh yeah,

675
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, let's go. You know what do

676
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: you know that? I don't know? A total flight of

677
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: the intruder. He's all loading his nineteen eleven and cleaning it.

678
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: He's got his knife totally. Man.

679
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: I love I love that book as a kid. I

680
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: love that movie.

681
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: Are you wearing? I had the book and I love

682
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: the movie. Are you wearing? Tiger stripe? Willem Dafoe.

683
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never you gotta be ready, you never know.

684
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: He puts it on and he's like out ready to hunt.

685
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: I do it for you, Sandy, I do it for you.

686
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: Oh man, that movie, that whole I mean, that's how

687
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: I grew up.

688
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: Be visited with Alpha Mike foxtrot Man It's just a

689
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: classic scene. I know, I know it well.

690
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: I know it well very well. Yeah, And so like

691
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: the book I was, I love that whole thing. And

692
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: so I wish I had tape cassette. I wish there

693
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: was a Chappie standing over my over my shoulder, like,

694
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: you're doing well, kid, you're doing real good. Yeah, we're

695
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna get your dad out, you know dad. But I

696
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: am that son. My dad was a Green Beret, so

697
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: if anything hit home, it was iron Eagle. You know,

698
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: it's like, oh they got my.

699
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: Dad, Yeah they got yep.

700
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: I know.

701
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: I mean I grew up with all that same stuff, man,

702
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: all that same stuff. It's all and it's in your

703
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: That stuff gets embedded into your DNA. You don't ever

704
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: lose that. You'll carry that forever, right, I know, I'm

705
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: with you one hundred percent. I could picture all those

706
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: scenes and the drivers behind that. Those are just classic eighties,

707
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: just pop culture infusion directing your bloodstream.

708
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: I will tell you that I did get scattered though,

709
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: all over the amusement park, so because we were doing

710
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: a few you know, you know, takeoffs and whatnot. But

711
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: my instructor was very pleased with me because I landed

712
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: and the other guy, the other guy was flying against

713
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: had to have a trap. And so he's like, he's like,

714
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I choose rad because he landed. He's like, well, my

715
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: guy landed. He's like, yeah, but he used a wire.

716
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: We had a saying in the F sixteen it's an

717
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: easy plane to land, but it's a hard plane to land.

718
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: Well that I hav been a good landing in F

719
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: sixteen is not an easy thing.

720
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: Well, I came down on the runway hill. I came

721
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: from the north to the south of it, and I

722
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: came in and I went all the way to the

723
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: edge of almost the fence line of hill, and my

724
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: nose or the beak of the plane was like sticking

725
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: over the grass. But I was still on the good

726
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: way and where the pedals the brakes are at the

727
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: feet just like, you're right. I mean, it's so cool, dude,

728
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: You're so cool. I just want to let you know,

729
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: that's a very cool thing. If you had a if

730
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: you had a baseball card of you and that was

731
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: on there, I would totally have you sign your rookie card.

732
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, sign this, bro, Wait,

733
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: wait till you see your stats. In ten years. You know,

734
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: it's like there should be that. That's a top upper deck.

735
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: If you're out there, man, you should ping these guys

736
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: and make baseball cards and get them all certified.

737
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: They'll be calls and tell them to release some fight baseball.

738
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: Let's go Donnerus, let's go Flear, Let's get it done.

739
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Let's go. I'm saying all your names for free because

740
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: because I love baseball. That's another reason why. So now,

741
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: in your book Leadership, you talk about some hard challenges

742
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: that you had to deal with in combat, uh, being

743
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: in charge of you know, uh, simply right simply calls

744
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: you over the phone and says, hey, uh, Leon's been hit, right?

745
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Is that how it went down? Is that right?

746
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: Yeah?

747
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Okay? And you and you just say and you're like, okay,

748
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: I have to like, uh deal with this. This is

749
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: one of my guys. You know, you talk about never

750
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: having any of your guys you've been to that hospital.

751
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm the Charlie medical. You know, You're I'm kind of

752
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: jumping around in your story here.

753
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: So there's you got it.

754
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: There's a scene in your book where you're talking and

755
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: you get a call at the talk or you're at

756
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: some command center on base and they're like, hey, hey, boss,

757
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: you know Leon's hit, I think is how it goes.

758
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, you have this chest compression. You're

759
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: trying to stay calm and cool because others are probably

760
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: looking at you and they all look to you to

761
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: be the beacon and the lighthouse, but inside, who's your lighthouse?

762
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you illustrated it well. And simple was a

763
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: Marine captain, one of the best officers I ever worked with.

764
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 3: If you're gonna go to combat, this is a guy

765
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: you want to go to combat with. He was a

766
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: steady rock, steady leader. We had been there deployed for

767
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: months and months and months, and his team was one

768
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 3: of the teams I was responsible for. And where I

769
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: was working like, I'm literally in my bedroom, if you

770
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: want to call it that. We had an old makeshift

771
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: Iraqi Army Airborne barracks and we just converted different rooms

772
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: to a little place to sleep, a little place to plan.

773
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: We had a little headquarters, we had an armory. It's

774
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: all very makeshift stuff. So somebody comes knocking on my door.

775
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: I was working, but it's also it was where I slept,

776
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: is where I mission planned, It's where I had my laptop.

777
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: I was just working on a computer, looking at like

778
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 3: a map for the afternoon's mission or whatever it was,

779
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: and he's like, hey, sir, you got to come get

780
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: the radio. He didn't tell me what it was, but

781
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: it was very obvious by his demeanor, the look on

782
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: his face, his tone and temperament. And as I remember

783
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: walking I don't know fifteen yards to the the op center,

784
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: which is really just around the corner from my room

785
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: where the radio was, I knew something was wrong. I

786
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: just didn't know what it was. And Simple was on

787
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: the other end of the radio going, hey, ser, Corporate,

788
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: Leon's been hit. You know, Chris is hit, and you know,

789
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: you don't know the magnitude of that phrase could cover

790
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: like everything from just a little a little flesh room.

791
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 3: He could have been dead, and there's that moment of well,

792
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: I need to respond to this correctly. I also didn't

793
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: know exactly the magnitude of that was. What was very

794
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: interesting about that story is I knew they were bringing

795
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: him into what we call Charlie Medical, that was the

796
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: medical facility on the base. I was on a base

797
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: called Campermodi, just on the outskirts of the city, and

798
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: so he's in the city. He's getting brought in. He's like, hey,

799
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 3: Chris has been hit. We're coming to Chariti Medical. I'm like, okay, Roger,

800
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 3: I'll meet you there. In the short trip from my

801
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 3: office to Charlie Medical, I had a follow up call

802
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: saying he was in a Bradley vehicle being transported to

803
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: Charlie med and he was stable. That was the update

804
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: to the scenario. So I went from like a little

805
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: bit of fear and paranoia and unknown to some confidence

806
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 3: like okay, good, he's stable. I'll get there. My Corman,

807
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: my medical expert, you know in the Navy, we called

808
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: him Accorman, my doc, and I he was there. We

809
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: had built a quick plan like, Okay, what he needs

810
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: is a friendly face. He needs some stability, he needs

811
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: some comfort that we can provide him, because we knew

812
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: he was stabilized. And so when that Bradley vehicle showed

813
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: up at Charlie Medical and the ramp came down the back,

814
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: I expected to see Chris and interact with him in

815
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: a way that might help build some of his comfort

816
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: and create this stability in this what I knew was

817
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: going to be a difficult situation because I knew he'd

818
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: been shot when he came down the ramp and I

819
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: was there to My plan was I kind of pick

820
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 3: up the stretcher he was going to kind of help

821
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: bring him down the ramp. It was immediately obvious that

822
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: that Chris was gone. And so it really that optimism

823
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: that came from that midstream report of stability was shattered.

824
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: And that is that's where I really had to work

825
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: on my composure the most, because it went from unknown

826
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: to good news to reality. Yeah, and then reality was

827
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: really really obviously the hardest thing I've ever had to

828
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 3: deal with. It's very very visual, it's very graphic. I

829
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: those images are sadly burned into my brain. That's where

830
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: the situation really sunk into me. And it dispelled the

831
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: myth of the optimism I was caring, like, Okay, he's breathing,

832
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 3: he's stable, Things is going to be all right. To

833
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 3: a marine that that was on my team has been killed.

834
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: That was a tough, tough moment.

835
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: And he was out doing forward air control stuff.

836
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So simple Simple was a captain. He was a

837
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: j tech. And listen, there's a small disparity army, right, Yeah, no,

838
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: he's a marine, but but the only difference is a fact.

839
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: A Ford Air controller is a is a certified controller

840
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: who's a pilot. A J TACH is the same certification,

841
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: He's just not a pilot. So on paper, were we

842
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: have the same level of capabilities. Simple was a j TACK.

843
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: I was a fact essentially the same thing, and I

844
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: split up my teams and all of us were all

845
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: doing the same thing. Chris was Simple as radio operator,

846
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: so he was there on a rooftop supporting Simple in

847
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: this overwatched position where we're suppor army maneuver units, and

848
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: he was the on site radio operator as Simple as

849
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: the on site JTAC. And I was there with my team.

850
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: They had relieved us just a few hours earlier. I

851
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: was on site, same location, top of Cup Cup Iron,

852
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 3: in the exact same spot he was spot, yeah, just

853
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: that morning, just that morning, so I had a very

854
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: clear understanding of where they were, what they were doing,

855
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: what the mission they were supporting. And the timing obviously

856
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: was such that he was there on site on the

857
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: rooftop when that happened. I had been there just that morning.

858
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: I was back planning for his relief to go back

859
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: out to the same location that evening or the next day,

860
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: worst day obviously in my career, a really tough scenario

861
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: and one that I can recall very vividly because of

862
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: the sequence that led to me understanding what was happening,

863
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: and of course everything changed from there.

864
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything, your whole dynamic, your whole mentality, probably moving

865
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: forward because now you're you have a lot of military

866
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: personnel stay stoic, and they stay like, you know, hey,

867
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: I can't let this affect me. But I mean we're

868
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: only like you said, it's it's in your head. It's

869
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: only going to affect us. You just can't let that

870
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: be shown. So you're dealing with this for the for

871
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: the immediate moment, Yeah, but then all of a sudden,

872
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: the really out the reality hits you again. Probably where

873
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: you're at, You're like, I'm in Ramadi, I'm in Iraq,

874
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm running this. I have to take care of all

875
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: these other personnel to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

876
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: Let's go find the guy.

877
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's certainly there is certainly some of that. There's

878
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: no question there is this sense of wanting reconciliation and

879
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: wanting that.

880
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: You know.

881
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: The thing that's interesting about what when it happened. It

882
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 3: was the summer is June twentieth, the height of the summer.

883
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: It was the pace was blistering. It was just NonStop.

884
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: And I think it's both good and bad in the

885
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: sense that we were so busy that we really none

886
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 3: of us had any choice but to just we had

887
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: to get back to work. And I think the hardest

888
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 3: part is the time that we spent trying to recognize

889
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: and honor him and give him the send off that

890
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: he deserved. He was the first Anglico marine killed in Iraq,

891
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: and so it was something that none of us had

892
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: experienced in the past, only none of us that my

893
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: unit had gone through. But the war didn't stop for us.

894
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: The summer didn't cool off for us, The environment, the

895
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: need for us to help other units, none of that changed.

896
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: And so in some sense, the thing that helps is

897
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 3: that you have no choice but to compartmentalize that because

898
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 3: the support you're providing is still needed. And by the way,

899
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 3: what Chris would have wanted us to do is carry

900
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: on with our mission. That's what Chris would have wanted.

901
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: So you go do that and you listen. There were moments,

902
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: I believe me, I remember calling my wife to tell

903
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: her what happened, and there are moments where I had breakdowns. No,

904
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: I don't want to dispel the idea that I was

905
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: some sort of stoic warrior, but in large part that

906
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: stayed in its own place until I came home. Is

907
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 3: when I really had to unpack and wrestle with that

908
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: because we had to do our job. Chris knew and

909
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: would have wanted us to do our job, and so

910
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: we did our job. And it really wasn't until after

911
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 3: I came home from that deployment did I really have

912
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: to grapple with the long term impact of that experience.

913
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: There was certainly a moment there the fold that we

914
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 3: took the next day off, you know, we send him

915
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: on his way. We try to honor him as best

916
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: we could. But the war didn't stop. The war didn't

917
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: stop for us when we lost some raid, and for

918
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 3: the hundreds and hundreds and thousands of people that experienced

919
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: the same thing, the war didn't stop for them either.

920
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: No, it just had The show must go on if

921
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: you will, uh, you know from that from that from

922
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: your perspective, it has to. You're you're you're doing that job.

923
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: That's that's what you have to do. The war could

924
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: stop if it could, but it's not, so therefore you

925
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: have to continue to put your rest forward every time.

926
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: That's right.

927
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: Well, thanks for sharing some of that emotional story right there.

928
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: I felt that emotion in the book when I was

929
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: reading that, and so I just wanted to bring that

930
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: up and just you know, and just say that war

931
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: is hell. You know, there is loss of life and

932
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: friends and suffering that does happen while trying to protect

933
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: people for to live and be able to vote and

934
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: have a democracy. Yeah.

935
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I'm glad you brought it up. And I

936
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: wrote that chapter for a reason. This is talking about

937
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 3: him is a chance for me to keep his memory

938
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: alive and keep his legacy alive. So I'm grateful that

939
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: you picked that segment in the book to talk about

940
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 3: with me today because it's a chance for me to

941
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: talk about him and I miss him, and that's.

942
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: Why I wanted to bring it up.

943
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: Mom. Yeah, I'm so glad you did. Man. I appreciate

944
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: it very much.

945
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: You're very welcome into his family if they do take

946
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: a listen to this or whoever listens to this in

947
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: the future.

948
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: His mom Kat absolutely will one hundred.

949
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now and now. A cute thing that you

950
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: did is we were able to convince the mother of

951
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: your child to name him after him. You're like, I

952
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: got the name usually. I'm like, my names were all

953
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: thrown around and she won. Well.

954
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 3: I always knew that I wanted to find a way

955
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: to honor his name. My wife actually had the idea

956
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: to use Chris Leon's last name as my son's middle name,

957
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: so she gets the credit for the creativity. I had

958
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: a sense of wanting to honor him. I didn't know

959
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: exactly how, And when my son was born, she's the

960
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: one that came up with the name Matthew Leon and

961
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is perfect, perfect, So she gets the

962
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: credit for that.

963
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: There you go, And that's very cool, very cool of

964
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: you to honor him as well. You know, I think

965
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: that you are very cool, bro, and there is so

966
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: much more to you than just an hour would ever

967
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: give me to talk to you. And in your book

968
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: The Need to Lead, you can learn about a top

969
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: guns instructor's lessons on how leadership solves every challenge. You know.

970
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: It's not about the alternate plaque in the ladies all

971
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: the time, although.

972
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: Although that's where they hang it though, yeah.

973
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: That is, and I heard there is one there after

974
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: the movie. I heard that there is one from another

975
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 1: friend of mine that was top Gun. He's like, there's

976
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: actually an alternate plaque in the deny any of this? Yes, oh, yes, yes, yeah?

977
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: What was your call sign? Can I ask that? Ye? Please?

978
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: Was Chip? Super?

979
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: You know, awesome, very flattering call sign. I managed to

980
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: chip my two front teeth in flight school. I knocked

981
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: my own teeth out with a g suit hose. And

982
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: if you know the movie Dumb and Dumber, where you

983
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: know Jim Carrey's character, I had both my front teeth

984
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 3: were chipped, just like the movie.

985
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: And uh.

986
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: I spent about a week walking around the squadron in Kingsville,

987
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: Texas when it happened, waiting to get the Navy dentist

988
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 3: to fix my teeth and listen, Chip was about the

989
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 3: best outcome I could have had. There were some much

990
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 3: worst alternatives of what it looks like to walk around

991
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 3: a hole in your face, and I I got. I

992
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: think I dodged a bullet with how bad it could

993
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: have been. But when you knock your own teeth out

994
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: and chip your own teeth, you're gonna get a call

995
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: sign out of it. So I was chipped my whole career.

996
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: I usually tell folks when you get a call sign,

997
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: it's not the one you choose yourself.

998
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: And it's not a good thing. It's a cool story.

999
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 3: It's I knock my own teeth out, it's not a

1000
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 3: good story.

1001
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then it's Chip and they always are calling it.

1002
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: They're always like chuckling with They're saying your name, like Chip,

1003
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: do you copy over? We know how you got your

1004
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: call sign. You're like, that's right, yes, sir, no problem.

1005
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: Like my last name Radel, it's always butchered. So they

1006
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: call me rad because it's rattle. It's like I didn't

1007
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: choose that, that's my name name.

1008
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: Man, I want to I wish someone to call me rad.

1009
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: I know right, I'll just live up to it now.

1010
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: That's all I tell people. They're always like rad name rad.

1011
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's new. Usually it's dradal dradl Dradel because

1012
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: it rhymes with radel radl Radel. So we'll go with

1013
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: we'll go with that. Like, now, what is on the

1014
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: horizon for you? Just your book and uh a movie

1015
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: deal or an athlete series. The Life of Dave.

1016
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: Well the book is out. It's been out for a

1017
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: little bit overwhell you know. Came out late October, so

1018
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: obviously I don't know how long it is when people

1019
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: are listening to this at this.

1020
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: Moment, but the book was a perfect timing.

1021
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 3: It's an awesome experience. I'm super grateful with a huge

1022
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: response and and just super grateful for this, the massive

1023
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 3: audience that was it was so well received. I'm so

1024
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: so soked for that. Our company, Echelon Front, actually did

1025
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 3: a movie on YouTube. Uh, we had our audio vision

1026
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: video team did this incredible movie that kind of aligns

1027
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 3: with with the experiences in the book. So if anybody

1028
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: wants to watch or listen or read it, it's out there.

1029
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: You can certainly get it. That's what's curry right now.

1030
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: What's is it on echelon Front's YouTube.

1031
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: Go to YouTube and go to YouTube and type in

1032
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: Dave Burke or go to the YouTube echelon Front page.

1033
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: It's all there. If you got if you got an

1034
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: extra forty five minutes, you can watch basically my life story.

1035
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: On I love that. I love that, I love that

1036
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: in this book. Right here there's a picture of all

1037
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: of the Echelon Front crew standing right here. It says

1038
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: I have been lucky to be with Jocko, Leif and

1039
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: Echelon Front from nearly the beginning. It has been an

1040
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: honor to serve as the chief development officer and to

1041
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: help contribute to the growth of what once was a

1042
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: four person team into what is now the world's premier

1043
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: leadership consultancy. Yeah. I mean wow, that's really cool, bro,

1044
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: And I'm so happy to have you on the show today.

1045
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: You've you know, I always like to meet people that

1046
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: make me a better person. By your smile, It's true.

1047
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: Just a little bit I'll glean off of you, Okay.

1048
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, man. That means a lot. And Echelon

1049
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: Front is an awesome company. We are helping the world.

1050
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 3: We're helping people become better leaders. We're taking our lessons

1051
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: and our mistakes and packaging them in a way that

1052
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: people can learn from that and apply it in their

1053
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: own lives. So get to be a part of a

1054
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 3: company that Leif and Jocko started all these years ago

1055
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 3: and create positive impact in the world. Man, you cannot

1056
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: do better than that. When you leave the military, you're

1057
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: always looking for something where you can find meaning and

1058
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: value and impact on what you do and belief in

1059
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: that and Echelan Front. You cannot get a bit be

1060
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: in a better place than I am to find a

1061
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: way to positively impact the world.

1062
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: Man.

1063
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: So I appreciate your words and I'm very lucky to

1064
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 3: be doing this.

1065
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you something as we kind

1066
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: of finalize our conversation. If a veteran or someone out

1067
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: there listening to this is like, hey, maybe I can

1068
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: contribute to echelon Front. You know while I flew you

1069
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: know F eighteens or you know, is there room for

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Speaker 1: growth for these guys to look you up and see

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Speaker 1: if there's positions available? Is there like veteran outreach always

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Speaker 1: for me?

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Speaker 3: And they should they should email me or go to

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Speaker 3: What they should do is go to echelonfront dot com.

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Speaker 3: Go to the like you know, I think it says

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Speaker 3: like about us or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Just click on.

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Speaker 3: Just send me an email.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I'll put I'll put it.

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Speaker 3: Out right now for all the world to hear my email.

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Speaker 3: Write this down. It's David echelonfront dot com.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: We are not hard to find. So if you want

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00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: to get ahold of Dave, you can email me.

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Speaker 1: Easy day, Dave at echelonfront dot com. Okay, I'm doing it.

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Speaker 3: If you can't remember that, then maybe they shouldn't be

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00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: reaching out.

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00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: That's true story, true story. I usually tell people that

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Speaker 1: want to work at my wargame shop, I'm like, well,

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00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: send me an email and a headshot with your resume.

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00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: And they're like why, and I was like, because I said,

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Speaker 1: that's what I want. I want to I'm like, because

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00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: I want to see you make an email, send an attachment,

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00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: and I want to see who I'm talking to. So

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00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 1: send me those things and then I'll look at your resume.

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Speaker 1: I know that you can know. It's like you can

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00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: do the simple functions. You can make an email, send

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00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: an attachment, you got a photo, and you wrote a resume. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: Just good advice.

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00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, and and I'm sure that you

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Speaker 1: have so much more. And You're welcome back on the

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00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: show anytime that you feel like, Hey, rad I'd love

1104
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: to come back. We didn't talk about chapter twelve or

1105
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about this, and I'd really like to

1106
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: talk about leadership and how to calm yourself down and

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00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: how to calm while you're freaking out. You know that

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00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: kind of thing I have.

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00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: I've learned that the art of looking calm when you're

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00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: freaking out. I can talk about that anytime, So I

1111
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Man, if you'd have me back on, we

1112
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: can definitely find time. I'd love to.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And so I just want to say

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00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: thank you again to Dave Burke who wrote The Need

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Speaker 1: to Lead. All right, and I'm really stoked have had

1116
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Speaker 1: you on the show, one of my top five guests.

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Speaker 1: I just want to tell you that just from your

1118
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: smile and your demeanor and the whole the whole aura,

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00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: and just how you grew up and just your age range,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, You're just a cool dude. And

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Speaker 1: if you if you want to look at the back

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00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: of his book just to let you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Houberman PhD gave him a word Jack car Jack

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Speaker 1: dear number one the terminal list you know on the

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Speaker 1: back of here, and then General and Admiral McRaven. So

1126
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: go check out The Need to Lead. Tell him rat

1127
00:52:54,320 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: set you from soft reph and again it's echelon front dot.

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Speaker 1: The Need to Lead is the book. If you're gonna

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Speaker 1: buy it online at Amazon, leave a review down below

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Speaker 1: for the author to glean over. Okay, thanks dude, And

1131
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: with that said, dude, if you need a job, hit

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00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: up Dave at echelonfront dot com and on. Behalf of

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Speaker 1: dave On, behalf of Brandon web On, behalf of calum

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Speaker 1: My producer on, behalf of the merch store that you

1135
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Speaker 1: guys support, and our book club and humanity. This is

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Speaker 1: rad saying peace.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to surf Red Radia