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Speaker 1: Chester's new uh, Chester's new nickname. It's tricky. It's Chester

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Speaker 1: the dive Masters. Well it's supposed to be dive Master,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't rhyme. So you got it's like you

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Speaker 1: gotta kind of mash yourn a mester, Chester the dive

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Speaker 1: math Master about dive maister Chriester the dive maister. Yeah

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Speaker 1: that works. Chester turning just was like a phenomenal free diver.

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Speaker 1: Now just is like a better free diver than me.

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Speaker 1: Now that's not true. It's like it is true. It

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Speaker 1: day you couldn't really get under the water. You couldn't

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Speaker 1: on Saturday he's a fifty diver hanging out, hanging out,

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Speaker 1: looking around relaxing. What's your secret chester? The first day

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Speaker 1: I was flailing around like shark bait. And the second

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Speaker 1: day I just was like, I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: so I just have to relax. So I relaxed, and

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Speaker 1: I think I only made three dives, like three or

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Speaker 1: dive in. So in Louisiana, there's a muckline and not

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Speaker 1: all the spots, but a lot of these spots were

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's like clear, you start

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Speaker 1: seeing fish around and then watch I was able to

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Speaker 1: then watch you guys do what you do, and it

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Speaker 1: just helped. You know, everyone's moving nice and slow and

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Speaker 1: you think you're going to give up on walleye fishing though, Nope,

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Speaker 1: it's still is gonna be interesting to you. I think

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Speaker 1: you might share to start hunting while you stand up

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Speaker 1: in a boat, not knowing what's going on down there,

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Speaker 1: there and look. Well, you know, I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: in those walleye circuits scout by diving that would you

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Speaker 1: would learn a lot. Yeah, in my freshwater diving in Arkansas, UM,

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Speaker 1: the walleye and stripe ass everything. You get a complete

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Speaker 1: different perspective of what it's like versus what the rod

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Speaker 1: and reel guys see. Amazing for scouting. Brandon introduced everybody

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Speaker 1: introduced themselves. Brandon Brandon hendrickson ecstatic sport fishing and this Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: So tell everybody what that is? Um? What is that? Um?

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Speaker 1: Not not venice, but tell everybody what your what your

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Speaker 1: business is, your line of work, So I run offshore

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Speaker 1: uh sport fishing charters here. Uh Tuna swordfish is our

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Speaker 1: don't guide spear fishing. I do not. I do not

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Speaker 1: guide spear fishing only because of liability issues, got it? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can't get insurance. Yeah? Is it that you can't

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Speaker 1: not your average one. Greg, introduce yourself, Greg Fonts, distributor

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Speaker 1: for robb Allan spear fishing Products. And that's about it.

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Speaker 1: Mentor to Steve here and there. If he listens, come on,

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Speaker 1: he's the mentor. Mike my Crib underwater cinematographer. I shot

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Speaker 1: You prefer to be filming underwater? I do, but I

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Speaker 1: do buffaler stuff too. Yeah. Um, how long you've been

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Speaker 1: and then justin have you been on the show before? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you joined another underwater cinematographer. Yep, my name's justinter Custy.

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Speaker 1: I'm an underwater cinematographer. I'd say camera operator, but I

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Speaker 1: taught me yet yea yea. And then of course Chester

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Speaker 1: to dive master Master Master Chester, he's going to be

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Speaker 1: the next sponsored athlete from sponsors and carbon Finn sweatsuit. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Chester's gonna quit work and he's gonna have too many

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Speaker 1: options available to Chester. You talk about being on the

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Speaker 1: you and Seth. Uh. Seth's got gas row on testinal

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Speaker 1: talk about, uh, what it means to be the Angler

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Speaker 1: tight Wad, Missouri. We got talking about how does how

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Speaker 1: did tight Wad, Missouri get his name? Guy writes in

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Speaker 1: i'd share the local history on how tight Wad got

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Speaker 1: chester there's a big, huge bin of watermelons and they're

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Speaker 1: in all their versions of this story, it was a chicken,

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Speaker 1: Per was fully vague in his explanation of where this is,

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Speaker 1: a legal deal now? At all? Fairness, I can't tell

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Speaker 1: a lot of more dedicated, vetted feedback about what the

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Speaker 1: looked at this, and then I hope that they are

426
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: able to resume their whaling. And that's and I don't

427
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: think that what that means is it might open up

428
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: whaling down the road to dudes like me. Um, that

429
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: ain't never gonna happen. And it's like has to go

430
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: get a whale for fear that they would be hard

431
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: to get that that. Um, I wouldn't be able to

432
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: eat anything but that whale for the rest of my life.

433
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: Once you feel a freezer with a whale, you're done

434
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing. Yeah, I think if they're recovered and

435
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: if you look at what they're proposing twelve whales over

436
00:28:54,600 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: six years, if it's done responsibly, like right, yeah, it's

437
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: just there's there's the thing we've been talking about over

438
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: the course of a couple of days. We're talking about

439
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: like this is a good segue actually to these waters

440
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: uh there day were I was expressing his view that

441
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: that the world is more it's sort of like it's

442
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: wildlife management. It has to be considered in sort of

443
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: like locally specific areas, and it has to be considered

444
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: in terms of like you have to get down to

445
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: the nats ass on a lot of wildlife recovery issues.

446
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: We're discussing that that globally, right, like as a collection

447
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: of species, as a collection of many species. Globally, sharks

448
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: are in trouble, meaning there are shark species in trouble,

449
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: like specific shark species are in trouble in specific areas

450
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: of their range. But that doesn't mean that all sharks

451
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: are in trouble across the entirety of their range. It's

452
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: more complicated than that. And I think that that the

453
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: whale movement created this thing that's sort of like that

454
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: they they've lumped all whales together and they've viewed them globally.

455
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: To say that a lot of whales are imperiled across

456
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: much of their range in the would have been like

457
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: a very true statement. Certain whale species were imperiled somewhere,

458
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: imperiled in particular areas of their range, and some were

459
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: imperiled over the entirety of their range, But that in

460
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: no way meant that all whales are imperilled everywhere. That

461
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: whales live just like the sharks, just like the sharks.

462
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: And you cannot come and make an argument that in

463
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: northwest Washington gray whales are imperiled or that even has

464
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: any bearing on like global gray whale populations. That this

465
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: tribe were to kill a whale or two every year,

466
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: it's not an issue. It's just public perception. It's a

467
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: public perception bad. If a couple killer whales or orcas

468
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: they got like rebranded as orcas. If a couple of

469
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: orcas kill a great whale, it's the greatest thing in

470
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: the world. That's gonna be like David Attenborough will be

471
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: like this is so cool, or however he puts it.

472
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: They love it. But it's but a native American tribe

473
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: kills one and it's like, oh my god, those same

474
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: people watching in Monterey every year that there's always a

475
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: couple of great whales killed by workers there and it's

476
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: the circle of life. They love it. Yeah, well, I

477
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: think it's that was my mind. It's it's interesting because

478
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: I think there's too many times where if like, well,

479
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I can't, if I can't take advantage of that resource,

480
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to be able to take care

481
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: of that, never take advantage of the resource. And we

482
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: saw this in the closure of the abalone fishery in

483
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: northern California, where you'd go to these d f G

484
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: meetings and explain what dfgent Department Fishing Game, which has

485
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: now changed his name. But um oh, that's right, what

486
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: is it now? Ah, this is a big issue. So

487
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: it's like there are a lot of state agencies that

488
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: just have wildlife and them like our our state agency,

489
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: um so fish wildlife and parts. They never called it game.

490
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: It was always wildlife, so no one cares. It was

491
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: always wildlife. But Californians resented the idea that animals are game,

492
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: so it's fish and wildlife, so they changed it to

493
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: be like, well, it's like a value judgment you're placing.

494
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: You're saying that, like wildlife resources are like game for

495
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: the taking, and so they wanted to make it wildlife

496
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: as part of California's And I'm not trying to hack

497
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: on you boys. I'm not hacking you boys. I'm not

498
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: hanging on you boys at all. I'm just saying that

499
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: California is gradually but steadily transitioning away from consumptive use.

500
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: Would agree that there's no example where they're not they're

501
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: phasing out consumptive use of wildlife resources. Yeah, And when

502
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: you look at something like the Abalonie Fishery, you have

503
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: these meetings after meetings and people would bring in videos

504
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: of these areas that are completely healthy. And we're talking

505
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: about specific areas. Just because one one area is unhealthy

506
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: doesn't mean there isn't an area that's sustainable and that

507
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: you should be able to harvest from. And you'd go

508
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: to these meetings and you'd have all the passionate you know,

509
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: abalone hunters out there. But then I don't even know

510
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: where these people would come from, but you would have

511
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: this line of fifty people that would talk about, well,

512
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: I think we need to close it because I wanted

513
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: to be here from my kids, and I like going

514
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: to the ocean and whale watching, and you're that's nice,

515
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: but you're not using the resource. And if you're not

516
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: using the resource, you don't really understand the resource. So

517
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: it's one of those things of to just kind of

518
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: paint broad strokes of I want it closed because I

519
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: wanted to be here from my kids. That might not

520
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: actually not be the case. You know. It's one of

521
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: those things if if you let areas be overpopulated or

522
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: you don't monitor them, you know, they can actually become

523
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: more unhealthy and collapse even more. And my big issue

524
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: with that was when they were doing surveys, they would

525
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: serve as specific sites over and over and over again.

526
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: They would never go out of those sites and go, Okay, hey,

527
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: what are in these m l p A s. How

528
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: the m l PA is doing. They would never survey

529
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: the protected areas to actually see what an untouched area

530
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: was doing. So it's just interesting that, you know, just

531
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: it's just so general of like, oh this one area

532
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: is bad, we should shut it down, or I don't

533
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: want you to have it, so I you know, I

534
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: don't want to have it, so you shouldn't happen. And

535
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that that's because you don't

536
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: actually use the resource. I don't. I'm not going to

537
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: rush out and go hunt to whale. I'll tell you

538
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: that much if I could. It's one of those things

539
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: that that's culturally important to a tribe, you know, that's

540
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: you know, if healthy populations persistent, they should be able

541
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: to harvest one. But I do feel that that the

542
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: whaling spirit resides deep in my humoculous though, because when

543
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: we're out fishing and you're like cruising along out to

544
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: your fishing spot and there's a whale out in front

545
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: of you. For reaching along, I do some part of

546
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: me is like, my god, I mean like like you

547
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: just like what, like to think of people in a

548
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: skin canoe? Oh? Yeah, Like to think of people in

549
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: a boat made a walrus hide, paddling up with homemade

550
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: tackle made entirely from bone and wood and animal parts,

551
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: paddling up, fixing the sink a harpoon into that thumb bitch.

552
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: It's like that is a level of that's a level

553
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: of gur not often achieved by modern man. Well, I

554
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: think people discount the the amount of effort it takes

555
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: to do some of these things right, you know, like

556
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: like again the apple and fish are fishing the rigs

557
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: out here. I mean, hey, you know, put a seven

558
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: mill wet suit on and getting fifty degree water that's

559
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: super murky, and go try to get apple on. It's

560
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: one of those things that I think people just think

561
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: everything is easy. You know, you just go you just

562
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: go out there and go whaling are you know, you

563
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: just go out there and shoot the rig up or

564
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: go get abalone or whatever it is. And it's just

565
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: like that. There's a lot of effort and put into it.

566
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: It's it would be impossible to do. And in some

567
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: and in many ways, it was sort of subvert democracy,

568
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: and it would subvert the North American model of wildlife conservation.

569
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: But if I was emperor of the world, or even

570
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: just emperor of the country, I would enact the system.

571
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: When it came to wildlife management issues and they got

572
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: into the public comment period, I would send out legions

573
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: of people to go assign value systems to opinions, and

574
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: you do an interview process. In my surveyors would go

575
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: to every American who said, like I have I have

576
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: I have something to say, I have something to say,

577
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: you'd raise your hand. I'd send one of my research

578
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: to researchers to your home and they would interview you,

579
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: and they would assess your education on the issue. They

580
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: would assess what you had at stake. This is horribly

581
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: an American, if new American, But I would find a

582
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: way to pay for it. I'd pay for it by

583
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: by the president off fishing licenses. I don't know what

584
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: the hell i'd do. I'd figure out some way. I'd

585
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: like steal it from other ship that I don't care

586
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: about that much, So I would, Uh, they do an

587
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: interview with you, like what is your knowledge, actual knowledge

588
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: of the issue, based on some like impure like based

589
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: on like empirical data. What do you understand and where

590
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: does your understanding a line with sort of an objective

591
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: reality as determined by like an impartial group, And then

592
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: like what do you what's at stake for you? And

593
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: then I would rank the importance of your input on

594
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: a sliding scale of one to ten, and it'd be

595
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: like the bonus point system and tag allocations. If you

596
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: were a ten, your vote counted by ten. If you

597
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: were a one year, vote counted once. Then I do

598
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: all that ship way better program. Yea, things will be

599
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: a lot better, way better. Very Unamerican. Here's two more

600
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: things that sort of fit. This is all well themed,

601
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 1: you know. Krin puts all this like a figure. We

602
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: always have a lot of stuff we want to talk about.

603
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: Krinn puts it together. Did a good job putting it together. Um.

604
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I have observed, and it's been observed by many people

605
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: that the that the Pittman Robertson Act, like which we

606
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: talked about every episode in some capacity or another, has

607
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: become like this over observed thing. Um. And it is

608
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: all the money that AMMO buyers and gun buyers, all

609
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: the money that they put into conservation. And usually some

610
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: of the groups, uh, some of the firearm groups and

611
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: ammil manufacturers who are hit by Pittman Robertson are most

612
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: eager to let the public know about what their contributions

613
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: have been. Federal ammunition. Every year will release what public

614
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: expenditures on federal ammunition has pumped into Pittman Robertson, which

615
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: is an excise tax on sporting goods equipment. There's a

616
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: parallel program in fishing called Dingle Johnson. So it's like

617
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: marine fuel trolling motors all kinds of fishing tackle has

618
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: an excise tax attached to it. It's been around, Pittman

619
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: Robertson has been around since nine and it was put

620
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: into effect because hunters and gun owners asked for it

621
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: to recover American wildlife. And now Pittman Robertson kicks out,

622
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, like a billion buck a year for access,

623
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: disease research, wildlife management, and all goes as matching funds.

624
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: So all the guns and AMMO you buy, then you

625
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: could be like an anti hunter New Jersey who buys

626
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: a pocket pistol. You just paid into Pittman Robertson funds

627
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: and it's dished out through UH matching grants. So for

628
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: a state to get Pittman Robertson fund they have to

629
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: kick in their own money. They get that money by

630
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: selling hunting and fishing licenses. Okay, so they want to

631
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: do a thing. They want to do, you know, an

632
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: access program, they want to do a research program. They

633
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: want to put in water tanks to improve wildlife habitat

634
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: in the desert. Whatever. They're like, we got two grand

635
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: for this project. We'd like to get two grand to

636
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: Pittman Robertson money. And they look at everything, it lines

637
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: up with mission, and bam they give them the money.

638
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful program. Well not if you ask Georgia

639
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: Congressman Andrew Clyde and his fifty three co sponsors who

640
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: wants to repeal. So Republican from Georgia, he wants to

641
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: repeal Pittman Robertson. He's got an interesting argument that I

642
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: that I dig the argument, but I just don't like

643
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and I'll talk about why both. The

644
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: interesting argument is that he's saying, you can't tax, ah,

645
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be able to tax the constitutional right, and

646
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: he thinks it's like an Pittman Robertson is an infringement

647
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: on constitutional rights. Where he's coming from is that there

648
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: are right now people trying to fight gun ownership and

649
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: fight Second Amendment rights with these sort of like retribution

650
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: taxes against gun owners. Okay, So a Democrat from Virginia,

651
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Don Bayer, Congressman Virginia, he's introducing this bill that would

652
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: put a thousand percent tax, a one thousand percent tax

653
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: on semi automatic weapons, okay um. And also like anything

654
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: beyond rim fire AMMO would be under these huge taxes.

655
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: All right, So in trying to fight that out, they're like, well,

656
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: let's just overturn the whole program and get rid of

657
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: Pittman roberts which has been around since that that bill

658
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: is so I think Pittman Robertson is so perfect and

659
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: does so much good and has been around so long.

660
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't think you should go back in time and

661
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: attack old ship as a way of attacking new ship.

662
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: That's coming from a very different perspective. Remember, it was

663
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: the gun. It was the hunters that wanted Pittman Robertson,

664
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: and Pittman roberts has been serving hunters for that long.

665
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: Now again, hunters aren't synonymous with gun owners. In fact,

666
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: most going owners aren't hunters. But look ahead. I don't

667
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: think you should look past on this man. It also

668
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: starts to mess with Dingle Johnson. So, for instance, like

669
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: electric outboard motors would reduce excise taxes, I know it's

670
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: from ten percent to three percent. There's no constitutional right

671
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: to have anough trolling motor, so you pay excise tax

672
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: on all your spear fishing gear. Sure, it's the same

673
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: thing to support fisheries. An old program that came from

674
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: the good guys. It didn't come from the bad guys.

675
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: I get the argument, but I think it's like it's

676
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: just I think it's like and he knows it won't pass.

677
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: It's almost like we're like giving it the we're sort

678
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: of falling into the trap by talking about it because

679
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: there's no way it's going to pass. But it's like

680
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: it's politicking. It's politicking. It's like bringing things up for discussion.

681
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: I think it's a bad idea to go through with

682
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: this last war to get into before we start talking

683
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: about something else. Um, No, two more things, but they

684
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: both have to do with fisheries sort of. There's all

685
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: these news stories out right now about how I even

686
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: I read it in the Wall Street Journal where this

687
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: guy's all fed up, like, oh my god, now bees

688
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: are fish. California now says bees are fish? What what

689
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: will happen? Where will the chaos end? What's next? And

690
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: here's what happened in California. I'm sure you've seen headlines

691
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: if you're if you're newsreader in the morning, I'm sure

692
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: you see a redline headlines like my god, Californians so stupid.

693
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: Now they're saying bumble bees are fish. Well when they Okay,

694
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: it's actually an interesting thing. When California built like like

695
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: it's California Endangered Species Act, they put in place like

696
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: what could be covered under the Endangered Species Act, and

697
00:44:51,520 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: they did. They The California Dangerous Species Act expressly protects birds, mammals, fish, amphibians, reptiles,

698
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: and plants. The California Danger Species Act does not define fish. However,

699
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: this is where it starts to get rich. However, the law,

700
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: the California Endangered Species Act law is part of the

701
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: California Fish and Game Code. So people reading the law

702
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: went in to see, like, when they say fish, what

703
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: do they mean? Well, we have to go one step

704
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: deeper and go since it's part of California's Fish and

705
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: Game Code, what does California's Fish and Game Code mean

706
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: by fish? If you go into the Fish and Game Code,

707
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: here's what they mean by fish. They take fish to

708
00:45:50,239 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: mean any mollusk, crustacean, invertebrate, or amphibian. Now, that definition mullus, crustaceans, invertebrates,

709
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: amphibians doesn't specify whether they're talking about terrestrial or aquatic.

710
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: Some people are saying that definitely the definition of what

711
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: they mean would definitely include bees bumblebees because bumble bees

712
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: are invertebrates. Other people are like, but dude, they were

713
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: talking about ship in the water man, they were talking

714
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: about fish. They weren't talking about that. It's like, clearly

715
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: they meant ship in the water like fish, but there

716
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: would be shellfish, whatever, snails in the water. There are

717
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: people are like, no, it says uh any mullus crustacean

718
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: invertebrate amphibian. Therefore, under that fish thing, we have the

719
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: ability to say that bumble bees are endangered. So what

720
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: does that mean? Does that mean you can't lot of

721
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: be or else you'll get a ticket? You know what

722
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: it means is there there is a like however they're

723
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: going about it. Here's what they're after. There is a

724
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: pollinator crisis. No one in the right mind, no one like,

725
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: what do they we want to do? What if you

726
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: want to do something about it or not? Just like,

727
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: no one in their right mind can tell you the

728
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: planet is not getting warmer every year. Whether you're gonna

729
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: do how you define who's the blame for that is

730
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: up for debate. What you're gonna do about it is

731
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: up for debate, But you cannot argue You cannot argue

732
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: that the planet isn't getting warmer every year, right it is.

733
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: You can't argue it anymore. That you can say that

734
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't give a ship, or you can say that

735
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: it's not my fault, but you can't say it's not happening,

736
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: and no one, no one does anymore. No one's like

737
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: it's getting colder. Pollinators are vanishing at an astonishing, alarming rate.

738
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: That's just it's just sucking true, like I don't give

739
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: a ship. If you want to do anything about it,

740
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: or who you want to blame, but that is happening.

741
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: They are I shouldn't say alarming, because that's a value judgment.

742
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: Pollinators are declining, bumble bees are declining. If you care

743
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: or not, I don't know, but that's an it's an

744
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: objective reality. So they're trying to find a way to

745
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: do it. Who's pissed about agricultural producers because of insecticides?

746
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Insecticide application, that's why they'reduking it out. So when you

747
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: see a headline Californians think bees are fish, good lord,

748
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: that's what that's about. Since we've got a couple of Californias,

749
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: You guys, got any comments it's just a little more complicated.

750
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: It's a little more complicated. When when I heard about it,

751
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: I was like, or whatever they've been kicking around the courts.

752
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: It'll get appealed again, I'm sure. But currently it stands

753
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: not that bees are fish, but the bees are covered

754
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: as a thing that can be listed. Right now, as

755
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: it stands in California, bumble bees can be listed. So

756
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: what are they saying just bumble bees or be's in general? Well,

757
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: right now they're worried about seven species of bumblebee. Do

758
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: you guys know that honey bees are not native? It's

759
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: a North America European. Yeah, did not know that general?

760
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: Nightcrawlers aren't native? When you're way ass up on the

761
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: mountains and you're in a little meadow when you dig

762
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: downer's nightcrawlers sitting there at some bitches not native? Where

763
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: are they from your Asia? Like Canadian crawlers not Canadians?

764
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Not wild? What about the red wiggler that I don't

765
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: know about. I have a feeling, and then we will

766
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: be corrected by a thousand million people. I have a

767
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: feeling that the red wigglers a non native invertebrate. I

768
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: would love to know, we'll find out I begs some uh,

769
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: some sly telephone user right in our presence would be

770
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: able to figure out if red wigglers are now it

771
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: or not. One last thing, and this is bringing us closer,

772
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: and you'll see that we're narrowing in on what we're

773
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: narrowing our focus. Uh, Brandon, tell us what we witnessed

774
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: yesterday by the pokey boats yesterday, two days ago, whatever

775
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: the hell it was. We're watching a bunch of commercial

776
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: what's the potent? Because we're working the Menhaden, the Manhaddan fishery.

777
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: It's a big thing here, they persone, the Menhaden. What

778
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: would it be fair to call it like it's an

779
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: industrial operation, absolutely, like the industrial harvest of men Hayden,

780
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: which they hear about call. Yeah, what was it? Three inch?

781
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: Three inch? They get up to about five six inches

782
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: at full size with the dots on them. Yes, yeah,

783
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: they have a dot up up towards the front shoulder.

784
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: Hunt and fishing type people would look at it and

785
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: be like a bait fish Yep, it's one of our

786
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: most common bait fish here. But they use them for uh,

787
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: they press them for oil for fish oil, yeah, fish food.

788
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: The sorts of you know, a lot of products food. Yeah,

789
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: they process and it's not you don't go down to

790
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: the fish store. You don't go down to the you

791
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: don't go down to the whole foods fish counter and

792
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: get a couple of but you probably have gotten them

793
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: in products that you've purchased. Uh. We had a guy

794
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: right in. So we we we do this thing every

795
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: year with with every year, a couple of times a

796
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: year we do like a State of the Union on

797
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: conservation issues with with Fosberg, who's the CEO and president

798
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: of the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership of which I am

799
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: a board member. On a recent State of the Union episode,

800
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: we spent quite a bit of time talking about the

801
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: stripe bass fishery all up down the eastern seaboard of

802
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: the US. I know that you guys just bring it

803
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: home from Californians. You guys have a stripe bass fishery

804
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: as well, but that's a non native population stripe bass,

805
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: and in fact a lot of people like to see

806
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: those go away, and they'd like to see the ones

807
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be do better. Straight bass. Yeah,

808
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: it's a huge debate. So it's a it's a non native.

809
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: It's like a deleterious exotic in some areas, but on

810
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: the eastern seaboard of our beloved country, it's it's the

811
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: primary fish, that's the primary targeted sport fish. In terms

812
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: of like man hours spent, stripe bass dominates eastern fishing,

813
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: saltwater fishing. Uh. We talked a lot about why stripe

814
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: bass populations are just not doing great and why they're

815
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: in decline, and a guy rolled in saying how could

816
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: he have dared place responsibility for that decline on the

817
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: shoulders of recreational anglers? He points out, how I expressed

818
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: the level of skepticism that how could it be recreational

819
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: anglers impacting that in just impacting that fishery, And he

820
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: said he was a gas almost fell off his seat.

821
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: Did Wit didn't talk about the commercial men Hayden harvest

822
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: as being largely responsible for declines in stripe bass, not

823
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: only that, but kobe a red drum sea trout, many

824
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: other species. We put it to Witt and what thank for?

825
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: Thanked us for forwarding the comment along, and he goes

826
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: on to say the listeners correct that men hade the

827
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: men haden harvest definitely impact stright back stripe bass populations.

828
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: He says the current harvest in the Atlantic depresses stripe

829
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: bass populations by about meaning if it was not they

830
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: estimate that if it was not for the commercial men

831
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: Hayden Fishery, stripe bass populations would probably sit about thirty

832
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: higher than they are right now, which is real significant.

833
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: But he goes on to say six million fish. So

834
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: the last year that we have full data is pretty old.

835
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: This gets at an interesting thing around fisheries. We have

836
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: solid data on two thousand eighteen, Okay, full data on

837
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: six million fish were killed between the recreational and commercial fisheries.

838
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I guess I may were caught by sport anglers. This

839
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: is astounding five million. There's not many fisheries like that.

840
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: Six million are killed. Five million are killed by sport

841
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: fishers the United States Eastern seaboard place. You know, are

842
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: we talking about specific laateist tripe bass or yeah. Yeah,

843
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: So I'm saying like like normally, like normally there's not

844
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: even close to parody between commercial and recreational fisheries and

845
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: salt water, meaning you go look at like what's the

846
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: sport catch on said species and what's the commercial catch

847
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: on said species. The commercial catch far outways the sport catch.

848
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: If you look at like salmon right commercial if you

849
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: believe the data, If you believe the data, you know

850
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: some of the data we see here in the golf

851
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: and so I don't I don't even believe it. I

852
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: think the numbers are skewed, meaning it's more meaning it's hot.

853
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: You think the recreation has a higher impact. No, I

854
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: think the commercial sector has a higher impact than what

855
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: they lead us to believe. Then what has even put

856
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: out then what they tell us. Maybe that's the case here,

857
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: but this is what people are looking at the numbers

858
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: saying that like recreational fishermen are hitting it bad. Now,

859
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: what what goes on to clarify is that t RCP

860
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: and many others are very interested in trying to curtail

861
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: uh the man Hayden fishery. Right now, it's man it

862
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: it was managed like in the golf for instance, right

863
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: now they don't have good management place in the Gulf

864
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: of Mexico. It's managed by how many they can they

865
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: take without totally collapsing the fishery. And it's not looked

866
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: at how many can they take without having major impacts

867
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: on other fish species, and they just need to rem

868
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: they need to rethink the fishery altogether. He says. What

869
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: goes on to say, they need to shift to an

870
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: ecosystem management. Well, the current harvest in the Atlantic depresses

871
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: stripe bass populations by about although we have had significant

872
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: wins in recent years to reduce the allowable catch of

873
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: man haden. The Atlantic does have a catch limit for

874
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: man haden. The Gulf of Mexico does not have a

875
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: catch limit, and he says, what we need to do

876
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: is shift to ecosystem management, meaning that catch limits are

877
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: now being set based on what the ecosystem needs and

878
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: not just how many men hadan can you kill before

879
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: you crash the stock. We're also now trying to reduce

880
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: or ideally eliminate the harvest of men haden in the

881
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: Chesapeake Bay, which is the nursery area for juvenile manhanan

882
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: and stripe bass. That's been a big subject here in

883
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: Louisiana over the last couple of years. Um it came

884
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: up under to vote here about a year ago, and

885
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: it's trying to not eliminate the fishery because we know

886
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: that that's that's not not possible, but try to extend

887
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: the boundary of how close they are allowed to come

888
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: to our to our land which basically is our estuary,

889
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: because it is affecting our our trout and a red

890
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: fish and everything else. Was I think one of you

891
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: guys said, most likely the cause of those sagners. It

892
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: was right right by where those sagners were at. They

893
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: pump out a lot of eye catch. Most most of

894
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: these fish that they get caught in there do not survive,

895
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: so that it's a big problem. Um, you know, there's

896
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there fighting for to improve it,

897
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: and we just have to hope for the best that

898
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: that will change because it definitely fixs the fisher Here,

899
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: Wiggles on to conclude that every credible study shows that

900
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: stripe bath overfished, and that overfishing is still occurring. He

901
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: says recreational as recreational angers, I'll point out that is

902
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: an avid strip bass fisherman. We have no choice but

903
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: to put in strong conservation measures to ensure that we

904
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: end over fishing and allow stocks to rebuild. Are there

905
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: any environmental issues that they attribute to the population, Like

906
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: in California, we're we're fighting about salmon versus striper versus

907
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: water temps of the rivers and salt water intrusion into

908
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: the delta and the loss of the delta. So a

909
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: lot of you can kind of pinpoint California stripe populations

910
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: by environmental changes. I think like everything probably probably sound

911
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: like everything is like a death by thousand cuts, right,

912
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 1: I mean with every imperiled fishery. Whatever you can look

913
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: in in go numb. I think you can go numb

914
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: by like how many things are contributing? Right? Like does

915
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: warmer water matter? UM, damning irrigation, I mean damning destroyed

916
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: straight bass runs in many rivers, right, So like damning irrigation,

917
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: UM water quality. And then you can sort of be

918
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: like screw, let's not do anything, or you can look

919
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: at like major contributors and try to attack the problem

920
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: in some way that makes sense, and maybe attack the

921
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: problem across the wide variety of things. I can tell

922
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: you that what with t RCP is anything but an

923
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: anti straight bass fisherman. DU's an adverstrate bass fisherman. Um

924
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: ah he's calling for is like they're they're working their

925
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: asses on the man hadan issue, which is a thing.

926
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: And also that they he whoever people they're doing that

927
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: need to think about their catch in a way that's

928
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: pretty common for fishermen to do. Give you, guys, theory

929
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: on sharks. I'm not talking about how many sharks around.

930
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: Let me put we're jumping. That goes back to your

931
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 1: your talking about the whaling and how No, I didn't

932
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: even I didn't even mean shark management. I just meant

933
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: like dealing with sharks in the water. So yesterday, real quick,

934
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: I look, I hear a couple of yells. Well, we

935
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: heard a couple before I heard it, and I was

936
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: in the water and quarter mile away. Yeah, he's a

937
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: lot better than mine. I couldn't hear all that hooting out. Anyways,

938
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: once we heard you, guys, we got over as quick

939
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: as there was people in the water. After your photo shoot,

940
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: there was a lot going on. There was a lot

941
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: going on. But what I do see, recall I seen

942
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: a little because that's seen a little bit. I'm trying

943
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: you left off all the parts about everything. No, I'm

944
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: getting there. I don't order. No, you're like Quentin Tarantino.

945
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: These guys are diving in a sweet spot. I had

946
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: just shot a fish left st out a park. Okay,

947
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: what part so we have to. We have two rigs,

948
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: two rigs side by side, only about fifty yards apart,

949
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: and so we put two divers on each rigg way

950
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: more than maybe seventy. Let me set the scene then

951
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: you can be when rigged. Okay, I'm gonna give me

952
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: a minute. I'm gonna go back to the seventies, started

953
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: building big oil rigs out of the Gulf of Mexico.

954
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: These oil rigs are fish magnets. They are man made reefs,

955
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: and you want to talk about objective realities, These rigs

956
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: create life and create and enhance the fishery. Normally, when

957
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: you're fishing, when you're diving a rig, you dive a rig, right,

958
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna go dive this rig, and you go to

959
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: the rig, and everybody that's gonna fish jumps and dives

960
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: the rig. Then you go to another rig. Just so

961
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: happened that our captain, you know what the difference in

962
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: the captain and the skipper is, now the skipper owns

963
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: the boat. Our skipper, Brandon, took us to a spot

964
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: We're going to dive two rigs at once because they're

965
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: so close together that the boat contend to both people.

966
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: That was an anomaly. It's not it's not uncommon, but

967
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: that was this trip. It was anomaly to have two

968
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: right next to each other. They're normally like spaced far apart. Correct,

969
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: So we we did that and not just not in

970
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: like a couple of people in the like groups of

971
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: two's right, Yeah, separated by a hundred yards. Go ahead, Chester,

972
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: Well I'll let these guys go and then I'll end

973
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: up so I don't miss anything. This is coming down.

974
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, someone's gotta explained the oreo and then we'll

975
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: get into the shark couple of stuffy. So this is

976
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: an area where we got we call it the areo.

977
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: We got dirty water on top, there's a clean layer

978
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: down underneath the dirty warrants an explanation of dirty water

979
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: and dirty water meaning like less than one ft of visibility.

980
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: You can't see the end of your gun. You can't.

981
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: You know you can't. You can't. If someone's breathing up

982
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: next year, you might be touching shoulders of them, but

983
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: only be able to see their hand. Yes, is that

984
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: you hit me? And that's surface layer of dirty water

985
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: might be uh five ft, it might be six. You

986
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: don't know until you drop through it. So that this area.

987
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: That's that's the top cookie. The top the top wafer

988
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: was about five to ten ft at this spot, the

989
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: frosting and then it got pretty clean underneath there down

990
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: to about fifty and then it got dark again. So

991
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: this is the kind of the area where I in.

992
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: UH and they say sometimes there's single those traditional traditional

993
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: and double stuff double stuff oreo is a nice big

994
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: band of clarity. This was a double stuffed oreo. We

995
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: are don't want yesterday at that spot, we're looking for

996
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: mangrove snappers and uh Greg had Greg had been on

997
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: this rig and uh had had got himself a nice,

998
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: nice mangrove and the hell of a time over on

999
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: our ridge, huge, huge school of mangroves. I had been

1000
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: staying on the boat prior to that. Let's letting these

1001
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: guys get a couple of a couple of fish. And

1002
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: then Greg got back in the boat and he's like, hey,

1003
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: you want to get in. I'm like sure, why not?

1004
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: You said you wanted to get in? Yeah, Greg, Greg

1005
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: Field to tell me he'd also shot one that had

1006
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: gotten away. I ripped off one and then he chi

1007
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: did one. He sort of chummed to the waters per

1008
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: se so uh, Mike and I jumped in. Uh I

1009
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: did a little test dive to check it out. On

1010
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: the first dive, everything looked good, lots of fish around.

1011
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: And second dive went down and uh I found it.

1012
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: Found a nice mangrove. Mike's following me right above me,

1013
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: and uh pull the trigger and uh, I'm fighting this fish,

1014
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: getting it out of the rig, and all of a sudden,

1015
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: from the lower wafer the dark side, here comes the

1016
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: bull sharks to two very grown bowls which would be

1017
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: nine nine probably eight nine ft pushing three pounds. Those

1018
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: are big ones, and they were not happy, you know,

1019
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: acting very erratic. Um. So then as we come as

1020
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: we I'm fighting the fish, not let him get to

1021
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: the fish. Um. But then we get back up into

1022
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: the the top wafer where we can't see anything. And

1023
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: uh so that's where it gets a little scary. And

1024
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: what I see? What I We hear some yelling. We

1025
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: look over and I see two men and they look

1026
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: like wet coons treat hanging on to the oil rig.

1027
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: We're hollering. We're hollering for the boat to come over

1028
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: because we wanted we'd like to get out of the

1029
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: water at that point, I've got a bleeding fish. Brandon

1030
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: is up the ladder of the rig. I'm just in

1031
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: the water with my camera case I can't climb up

1032
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: to the ladder with my rig, screaming for you guys.

1033
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: And there was a little delay. I think there was

1034
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: a photo shoot going on on the other Definitely, we

1035
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: watched you guys know. I watched you guys are letting

1036
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: drivers into the water as we were yelling. There's a

1037
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: lot going on it once it's so yeah. Anyway, we

1038
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: were successfully recovered, but it was a pucker factory of

1039
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: nine point nine. That's one of the things that most

1040
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: surprised me about this, this whole thing of of being

1041
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: in salt water with sharks, is that it's not the

1042
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: presence of sharks that matters, but it's the demeanor of them,

1043
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: which is which is like very true of grizzy I'm

1044
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: totally used to that with grizzly bears. They're sort of like, oh,

1045
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: that's a grizzly bear mining its own business. It doesn't matter.

1046
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: That's a grizzy bear that's scared. And we know that.

1047
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: We know the shrimp boats the days before and dealt

1048
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: with hundreds and hundreds of sharks and nobody went crawling

1049
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: back into the boat. It takes a lot to spook me.

1050
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: Like when they when they act like that, that's another story. Yeah, yeah,

1051
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: I mean we're we were on the on the shrimp

1052
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: boats and we were getting within. I had a you know,

1053
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: a couple of bull sharks come within, you know, foot

1054
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: or two of me, and it's just one of those

1055
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: things of you. They're not aggressive though, they're just being

1056
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: inquisite even and I don't recommend, and we spend a

1057
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: lot of time with these things, so I mean, if

1058
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: you dump me in the woods, I would have no

1059
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: clue how to read a grizzly bear. But I have

1060
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: spent so much time in the water with a lot

1061
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: of different types of sharks that I have a pretty

1062
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: good idea what's going on with them. Um. And for instance,

1063
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: when I got in there the first day, I didn't

1064
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: know what I was doing, and I when the sharks

1065
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: came in, you guys are around me. But I'd start

1066
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: kicking a little more and like, because yeah, they feed

1067
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: off your energy if you're if you're fidgeting or kicking

1068
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: erratically or creating bubbles, and they were coming, lapping, coming

1069
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: checked me out where you guys are just calm, and

1070
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: shortly after you had told me, hey, it's time to

1071
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: get out of the water. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there

1072
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: was there was one bowl that was getting a bit

1073
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: bit agitated. And yeah, it's one thing if you're if

1074
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: you're by yourself or you're within another person that's really

1075
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: experienced with sharks. But yeah, we have that many people

1076
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: in the water, you gotta just kind of call it

1077
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: safe and don't have to worry about it. There was

1078
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: a thing that also reminded me of Grizzly Bear, which is, uh,

1079
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: you and I were swimming back in the boat one

1080
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: time in a in a big bullshark came up behind

1081
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: you yep, and I was screaming and yelling to you,

1082
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: and then he left. And then he came up behind

1083
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: me and you literally pushed me out of the way

1084
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: and charged him. Yea there for me, like the kind

1085
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: almost like swam over me and ran at him and

1086
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: he took off. Yeah, and that's so you know, if

1087
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: they're not in a feeding mode there, you know, they're

1088
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: just cruising around looking at stuff and they don't you

1089
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: don't see people all that much out Aaron. It's one

1090
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: of those things of if you think of it this way,

1091
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: if you're kicking away from it, especially with like carbon

1092
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: fins and I'm you know, a spear gun and all

1093
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: that stuff there, you look pretty big. You look pretty big.

1094
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: But they're also like, what the heck are you? So

1095
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,560
Speaker 1: if you're swimming away from him, they're just gonna like

1096
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: keep on going, Hey, what the heck is swimming away

1097
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: from me? And um, he wasn't being he was he

1098
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: was inquisitive. I wouldn't say he had any aggressive body

1099
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: like just like too close for comfort. And they get

1100
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: to a size where like if they beat you'd be

1101
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: a big deal. Oh, bull shark, If a bull shark

1102
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: lays into you're in trouble. Yeah no, those those aren't

1103
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: shark him to joke around with. So yeah, you gotta

1104
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: square up on him. And it's one of those things

1105
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: of last The last thing you know you can do

1106
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: is a is a bailout. As you have a spear gun,

1107
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: you can you can poke it away, which will generally

1108
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: get them to kind of go away, but sometimes it'll

1109
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: piss him off a little bit. But yeah, you gotta

1110
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: you gotta square up on him, let him know that

1111
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: you gotta think you're, you know, say, six ft tall

1112
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: with three ft long fins, you're nine ft long. You're

1113
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: pretty imposing. You just gotta kind of not show that

1114
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: you're trying to either flee or you're you're not scared

1115
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, Mike, you had a when we were

1116
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: watching the bull shark footage yesterday, you had an interesting

1117
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: observation about their caught You said, they're cautious. Yeah, sharks are.

1118
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: I think it was. I did a quiderloop pee trip

1119
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: to and did Great Whites and the sharks would never

1120
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: come in close. It took them a long time. They'd

1121
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: swim around, they'd swim under, and they'd watch us, moot,

1122
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: look this way, and then they sneak in because if

1123
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: they get hurt, they're gonna die. So if it's shark

1124
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: has an opportunity and it thinks that it's good, it's

1125
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: gonna take it. But otherwise I feel like they're they're

1126
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: pretty cautious and calculated. Yeah, it's an interesting observation, like

1127
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: if he gets messed up, he's dead. Yeah, they can't

1128
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: afford it. They can't afford to lose an eye or

1129
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, exactly, So they're not looking

1130
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: to be dumb, and they're old. I mean, big ones

1131
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: are old. They're they've been around, you know, they don't

1132
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: they got that way by not making dumb mistakes. Depends

1133
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: on you know, I don't know. The great whites are

1134
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 1: pretty long with well some of the greed like greenland

1135
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: sharks and stuff like that. They're extremely old. I think

1136
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: a great way I can be like thirty years old

1137
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: something like that. Do that research just to catch up

1138
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: the red wiggler. It's native to Europe. How about that?

1139
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, someone was looking here real quick. Uh. According

1140
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: to the Chesapeake Bay Program, I haven't heard of them before.

1141
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,560
Speaker 1: Fourteen years for a bull shark is average life expectancy

1142
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: at short. They can live to be at least fourteen

1143
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: years old. They grew off all fast then now the

1144
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: oldest so the oldest known bullshark thirty two, average of

1145
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: sixteen years in the wild. It seems like a lot

1146
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: of things in the ocean life spans about thirty years.

1147
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: Bigger animals, Jester, it doesn't look good for your ass.

1148
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: Life expectancy of things in the ocean. I know. I

1149
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: see best thirty year less span too. I got two

1150
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: more years. What are the what are all the what

1151
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: are all the kind of sharks you see in this

1152
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 1: in this environment? And like like how would you describe

1153
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: like like sort of like ecosystem wise, you would say,

1154
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: we're I mean we're in the goal for at the

1155
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: mouth of the Mississippi, but in the salt water as

1156
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: far as what what type of sharks that we have here? Yeah?

1157
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: Like no, like where where did you say we're at?

1158
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: Right on a planetary sense, Louisiana Mississippi River delta, He's

1159
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: starting to a delta that turns into a full on

1160
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: ocean right the Mississippi motor how many miles and you

1161
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: hit the ledge. Well here around Venice were as close

1162
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: to the continental shelf as you can get in the

1163
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: Gulf of Mexico. Um, that's what makes our fishery well,

1164
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: that and the and the river delta so special, or

1165
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: our proximity to close to deep water and to the

1166
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: loop current. So um, we have shelf riggs and we've

1167
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: got all our near short rigs that are being fed

1168
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: by the by the alta. So you've got a lot

1169
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: of industryans coming out, a lot of bait which feeds

1170
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: the fishery. And then proximity to that thousand foot and

1171
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: then you're proximanty and you're very close proximity to that

1172
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: deep deep people water to that loop current that also

1173
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 1: then pushes the pelagics and things like that in. Is

1174
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: there a lot of like natural reefs or is it

1175
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: a lot of mud? Because of the delta in and

1176
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 1: stuff coming in? We have very little natural reef here.

1177
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 1: We have some more more to the west, but um

1178
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: mostly mud. And then we've got the oil rigs. So

1179
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: the oil rigs have or man made reefs. Basically I

1180
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: want to get into that. Do you want to get

1181
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 1: into that? Now? There are in the Gulf some estimate

1182
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: of five thousand oil ricks. I don't know for sure

1183
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 1: on the number, but that sounds that sounds turned up.

1184
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure someone can tell you down to the down

1185
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: to the down to brass tacks. But at some point

1186
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was was accurate. So around five thousand there. Uh.

1187
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: They became very popular. Like however one felt about offshore

1188
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: oil extraction in the Gulf and fossil fuels and all that,

1189
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: you can't get around. One fact is that the rigs

1190
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:31,440
Speaker 1: created a lot of sea life, accessible sea life, accessible

1191
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 1: fisheries congregated around the rigs. So as riggs are as

1192
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: these all these five thousand rigs are being brought offline,

1193
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: taken out of production, as they've moved operations or whatever

1194
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: the hell. There's been a big question what to do

1195
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 1: with all these things, and they're enormously popular with fishermen.

1196
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: UM At a time, they had the rigs to reef

1197
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: program that came about in the eighties, and they they've

1198
01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: done a bunch of things with riggs. So I'm gonna

1199
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: try to just based on my understanding from talking to

1200
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: you guys and others and reading UM they toyed with

1201
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: like trying to make them not a navigational hazard, so

1202
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: cutting them off what down sixty ft down? I think

1203
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,839
Speaker 1: a little deeper than that. Typically, I think about seventy

1204
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 1: five ft is about about is below the water level,

1205
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: so that the biggest very even deeper, so the biggest

1206
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: vessel could pass over correct and not tag the top

1207
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:33,560
Speaker 1: of the reef. So it's out of the way of

1208
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: shipping correct, but it's down there providing fish habitat. They've

1209
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: also messed with just uh many they can just tip over.

1210
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: It's in deep enough water where you tip the whole

1211
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: thing over at its base and they would dynamite them,

1212
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: and that creates a lot of controversy because that kills

1213
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: every damn thing on the rig. Yeah, they'd have these huge,

1214
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: just miles of fish just floating, which rather than cutting

1215
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: them off at the base, they would dynamite the basis

1216
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: and pull them over. They would. That was something in

1217
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: the past. They they've they've gotten rid of that, the blasting,

1218
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: and now they cut them off, they shear them off,

1219
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: cut them off whatever. And then during the Obama administration

1220
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: they started the Idle Iron I Iron Act, which was

1221
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: a push to just all together wholesale remove them and

1222
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: as your deck hand put it, when they're done, there's

1223
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: not even a beer can return to natural state on

1224
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: the bottom correct all hauled short, they'll run on like

1225
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: a heavy duty trawl over the area when they're done

1226
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: removing it. To make sure they got rid of absolutely everything,

1227
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: even subst They cutting it off subsurface all the way

1228
01:17:51,439 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: to the mud, if not below. And I think last

1229
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: year alone they removed like a couple of hundred rigs

1230
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 1: out of the Gulf. I think I heard our friend

1231
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: Ronnie and he's got a good friend who works in that,

1232
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: in that business of actually removing these. He said they

1233
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 1: were scheduled to take out another hundred and fifty this year. Yeah,

1234
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: I've heard a hundred fifty to two hundred a year.

1235
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 1: There's boats out applying the waters called rig reapers, and

1236
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: they've been doing destroy. They've been doing that. They've been

1237
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: doing that in Texas for years. Texas, the landscape of

1238
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: the fishery has completely changed. They don't have many rigs

1239
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: over there anymore. Yeah, you'll pull up on I we

1240
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: pulled up on rigs that you had on your GPS

1241
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: to find that it was gone. It was like that

1242
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: scene in Star Wars and they go to that planet

1243
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: and ain't there anymore, remember that because the death started

1244
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: like blowing it up. They get there like it's gone. Yeah,

1245
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: and it happens fast, have its fast. I would be

1246
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 1: like I was fishing here a couple of weeks ago,

1247
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: because like it's gone. That's why. Just to put it

1248
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 1: into perspective. Two on the life around these, which I

1249
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: was so surprised at when I was I didn't have

1250
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: gloves on one day, and you can swim up to

1251
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: these and hang onto them and kind of rest. And

1252
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: I had my hand on these barnacles which are like yeah,

1253
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: anywhere from a penny to like a big silver dollar

1254
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: kind of size, maybe a lot of them, um. And

1255
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: they have holes inside of them, and I had my

1256
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: hands on there and I was like, I was like,

1257
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: what the heck is going on inside of one of them?

1258
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 1: I was getting bit by little fish. And Justin has

1259
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: a video where you can see like five of these

1260
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 1: little fish just sitting in those holes. So it's cool

1261
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: to put it into perspective. You can see the anywhere

1262
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: from the smallest little micro organisms. Then you know, it

1263
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: gets these small little fish attracts bigger fish to eat

1264
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: those fish. And it's just all the way up to

1265
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,520
Speaker 1: bull sharks and goliath group er. It's just this whole ecosystem,

1266
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: which one is a reef, from the tiniest organism to

1267
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: the biggest. It's it's it's own ecosystem. The presence of

1268
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: presence of sharks is a healthy ecosystem. They're very healthy.

1269
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you were to see and

1270
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: you can go to a lot of places in the

1271
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: world and not see the life that's on these things,

1272
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: it's a very very healthy ecosystem. Um. And when they

1273
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: remove them, it's completely gone. But what is what is

1274
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: the main argument, do you guys know of why they

1275
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: want these out just to return it to a natural

1276
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: looking state. Um, I don't think you're going to get

1277
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: it clear. I think there's a lot of clear answer.

1278
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot. I think there's a lot

1279
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: of theories. I think there's a lot of money behind it.

1280
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 1: I think there's a whole industry uh being fed by

1281
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: making millions off of removing these and the scrap value

1282
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 1: there's no way to scrap value paste. You're pulling those

1283
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: things out of the water, but the cost to pull them,

1284
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: they're also getting paid to pull them out of the

1285
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: water industry recycling. There was Lena, which was one of

1286
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 1: the very It was a deeper water rigs about thousand

1287
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: feet of water. It was removed a year and a

1288
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:26,799
Speaker 1: half ago, two years ago, and I believe that the numbers.

1289
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: I saw that the cost to remove it was two

1290
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: billion dollars to remove it, and that only can they

1291
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: just took the top deck off and then they cut

1292
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: it at the base and teetered it over in a

1293
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: thousand feet of water. Two billion, So there's some there's

1294
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 1: some serious money. And yeah, but I don't but the

1295
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: people task with removing them are not driving the policy.

1296
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't like. I'm roll rig. I think they should

1297
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: be left as habitat. I do too, And I put

1298
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: it look like I said, I told you my, I'll

1299
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: share with I'll share again, my my. My solution cut

1300
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: off whatever number fifty of them, study five percent of them,

1301
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: but then put them all in the pile somewhere else.

1302
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 1: So put cut three off and pile them on top

1303
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: of every fourth. Make it a reef. There's this This

1304
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: subject has been mind revisited, revisited over. I mean when

1305
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: when this started happening, um, and there was a lot

1306
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: of people that were very passionate about fighting against it,

1307
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: because you know, as you lose a rig that you've

1308
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: been diving for X amount of years and then it's gone,

1309
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: and you know how much life's on that rig. And

1310
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would would agree if

1311
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: if some of like you know, the environmental groups or

1312
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, you know, people that are passion about conserving

1313
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 1: nature were to drive any of these things, they would go,

1314
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 1: why are we removing these things? But obviously there's there's

1315
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: something bigger at at hand here. It's not like the

1316
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: the diversit diverm are just passive about them being removed.

1317
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of fighting and research and UM,

1318
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: it's not like they didn't try to put up resistence.

1319
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I don't want I don't want to

1320
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: seem like I'm under playing like anyone anyone's stake in

1321
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: the game or like how it's been approached. But I

1322
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: but I if I had to get in the mind

1323
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: of UM, like like get in the mind on the

1324
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 1: other side of it, it would be that this sort

1325
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: of ideal and like this idea and certain political circles

1326
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: that sort of like like that that mining drilling infrastructure

1327
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: is bad, and that when you come in and do

1328
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: an operation like a coal mine, oil drilling, whatever it is,

1329
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,440
Speaker 1: that in the end you um, you do your remediation

1330
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: right right, you bring it back as close as you

1331
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: can to what it was before you did it, and

1332
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: that is driving sort of like the reduction of this.

1333
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: Then you probably have also like people can probably make

1334
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 1: a case that it's like human health hazard because as

1335
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: they decay, they can fall over, a bulk could hit them.

1336
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 1: So they got that and there weighing that and UM

1337
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: obstructions on the bottom of the ocean for current uses

1338
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 1: and later uses and so like in that's driving the

1339
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:26,919
Speaker 1: conversation and that people who are looking to the fishery

1340
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: are being undervalued or their their input isn't being listened to. Yeah,

1341
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of things that play. Yeah.

1342
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: I mean you got it. You're looking at the oil industry, right,

1343
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: I mean, that is a massive animal, and it's one

1344
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: of those things of you know, you could be passionate

1345
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: about a recreational activity, but I mean at the end

1346
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: of the day, you're not gonna have the funds. It's

1347
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: it's a lot more than a recreational activity. I mean,

1348
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: you're talking about an entire Fishi's industry down and it's

1349
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: an history that's where as sport fishing, sports, sport fishing,

1350
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: charter fishing, the recreational side, the commercial fishery. You know,

1351
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: you remove all of these out of here, then it's

1352
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: gonna completely change that whole industry across the board. It's

1353
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: a little bit like an unintended consequence this thing. I

1354
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: don't think anyone probably maybe maybe maybe some biologist and

1355
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: maybe some biologists when they're putting all that stuff in,

1356
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: maybe some biologist is like, someday, this is gonna be

1357
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: a fish Mecca because of all of the reef habitat,

1358
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: you're creating a lot of the remediation you're talking about

1359
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: maybe when it comes to coal mines and things like that. Uh,

1360
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: this is different because the what has resulted has been

1361
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: what has been left from it is a positive. They've

1362
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: created something positive by building these They've created a new

1363
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: ecosystem that that is wonderful. That's different than like drilling

1364
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,560
Speaker 1: a coal mine and then just leaving it as is.

1365
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,759
Speaker 1: This is a positive. Yes, there is a naviga ational hazard.

1366
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: Are there ways that we could could go about, uh,

1367
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 1: fixing that and yet still maintaining that ecosystem. Well, I

1368
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: think electronics is taking care of that problem for you,

1369
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 1: I would think. So. I mean everything is on the map.

1370
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 1: Every you know, we run radar, everybody's got eyeballs. The

1371
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: type of ships that they were worried about hitting. These

1372
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: things have the electronics and the technology to avoid them.

1373
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: And there's giant horns on all these rigs. So I mean,

1374
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that um no, it's it's

1375
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: trust me. It's the fight has been going on for

1376
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: a long time. It's just not gaining traction. How they're

1377
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 1: putting new rigs in because not really really were the

1378
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: only ones I see going in our deep waters. Yeah,

1379
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: you have some deep water ones are drilling new wells

1380
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: out there, because those drill ships that we were near

1381
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: are just basically idle. Those are sitting, Those are sitting

1382
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 1: idle right now. Those are waiting to be deployed. Huh.

1383
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: So the drill ships that are active are out in three,

1384
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 1: four or five thousand feet of water right now drilling

1385
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: new knew wells. And the big thing with these rigs

1386
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: is that, and you saw it. Not every rig is

1387
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: as good as you know. There are some rigs have

1388
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: been removed that we're um. I mean Lena. I was

1389
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 1: lucky enough to dive Lena and it was this massive

1390
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: structure that was absolutely amazing. It was right there on

1391
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: the shelf. It had coral, tropical fish, it had everything

1392
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: on it. It was it was amazing. Yeah, um, yeah,

1393
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: I was lucky if I did. My friend Joe Wegman

1394
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: took me on a deep scuba diver there just to see.

1395
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,719
Speaker 1: You know, as a free diver you touch the surface

1396
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: of it, and then when you do like a deep

1397
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: scuba dive on these things, it's it's just amazing. I

1398
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: mean the size of the amber jack, in the size

1399
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: of the red snapper and everything. It's just I mean

1400
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: it's from top to bottom life and the size of

1401
01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: the tiger sharks from what I heard, very big tiger,

1402
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: very big on those big deep water riggs. Well they're

1403
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 1: they're around, but like on this the biggest tiger shark

1404
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: I've ever seen was off of Lena. I mean it

1405
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: was it was. It was like a scene out of

1406
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: Jaws of like just yeah, I did a triple take

1407
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: on it. So how many feet deep was that one? Uh?

1408
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 1: The rigs of and so you're saying, if you is

1409
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 1: that a thousand feet? But if you dive down a

1410
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: couple hundred feet you're still encountering more and more and

1411
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: more fish down that deep. So I think we did

1412
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 1: a we did a deep scuba to about two thirty

1413
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: and it, I mean it didn't didn't stop. Everything got

1414
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: bigger the deeper you went. I mean, this this amber

1415
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 1: jack had, I mean, it's just these huge jowls. It's

1416
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: the biggest hamber jack I think I've ever seen. It

1417
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: was just a monster. It was just I mean, it's

1418
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 1: all all out of reach for freedom. You're talking about

1419
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 1: like a hundred plus. Oh yeah, well well over with

1420
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 1: smaller ones behind it and red snapper and um grouper

1421
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: and I mean that's all real. Yeah, it's just amazing.

1422
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 1: Like you said, if you went somewhere and just did

1423
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,320
Speaker 1: a reef dive that looked like these rigs look, I mean,

1424
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: it would be absolutely dry dropping. Um. Well, that's why

1425
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: I had asked Brandon. I'm like, why don't I see

1426
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: more Scooba operations around because this is like the ultimate

1427
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: place to scuba dive if you want to see fish.

1428
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: And then you brought up the liability issue. Yeah, it's

1429
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: huge liability issue. And people, you know, people that are

1430
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: really experienced rig diving dive these riggs and have issues.

1431
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things of the one of

1432
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: the issues you run into scuba diving. Um, you get

1433
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: hung up. Well, one depends on how deep you're diving.

1434
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 1: But um, a lot of people push it on these

1435
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: rigs and do deep scuba and don't you know, they

1436
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: get narcked out or they don't do proper decompression times. Um,

1437
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: it's the spear fishing side, the spear fishing, spear fishing side.

1438
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: You're you're in deep water, you know, you might be

1439
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 1: scuba diving a four it might be four feet to

1440
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,040
Speaker 1: the to the bottom. You can easily lose track of

1441
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: how deep you are. And the water is so crystal clear, right,

1442
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: you saw some of it. It's just you can keep

1443
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 1: on going and I go shoot, you know, I'm a

1444
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: couple two hundred plus feet down. And then you got

1445
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: the variability of our water with that that dirty water

1446
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 1: on top. You know this, it doesn't necessarily attract your

1447
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 1: your average recreational scuba diver. And then the cross currents

1448
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: are in issue too. I mean there's people that get

1449
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: blown out of these things. Right, There'll be a top

1450
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: current going one way, they'll drop down and then they'll

1451
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 1: current will be going the other way, and then you know,

1452
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: say you're you shoot a fish or the some of

1453
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 1: these currents, Like we were lucky. These currents were pretty

1454
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: um calm when we were in there, but they get

1455
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: really going and you'll get blown out of the rig. Yeah,

1456
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: if you're doing a like a safety stop on a

1457
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,160
Speaker 1: lay up on a scuba and you're let's say you're

1458
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: off the side of the rig, you could easily pop

1459
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: up a half a mile away. It's been we have

1460
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: the we have least free dive and scuba spear fishing

1461
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,799
Speaker 1: rodeos every summer and it's just a couple of summers

1462
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: ago we had had a diver lost, fortunately was able

1463
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,560
Speaker 1: to be recovered, but it was quite the mission. But

1464
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: he just came out too far from his boat. Yeah

1465
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 1: he I mean he came he was doing his safety

1466
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: stop and that cross current got him. Yes, So when

1467
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: you're doing these deep scoobas right, if you drop the

1468
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: two feet, you have to decompress at a certain point.

1469
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: So say you do a safety stop at fifty ft

1470
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: or thirty ft and the current is so strong that

1471
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 1: you get pushed off the out of the rig into

1472
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 1: the open water. Well, you have two choices either surface

1473
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: and get narced. You know, you have to go into

1474
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 1: the decompression chamber um or you know, continue on your

1475
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: safety stop and then pop up, which can be a

1476
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: long way. And the surface so the boat, the current

1477
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: at the surface may be different than what it was

1478
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: down and where that where that diver was at. So

1479
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: the boat is going to be looking down down current

1480
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: thinking that the diver is over here. Well he's not.

1481
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: He actually went that way. So that does create that

1482
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: creates a whole other hazard got it is it hard

1483
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 1: to hang out on the surface with those tanks. I

1484
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: guess you DIDs the tank, you wouldn't, wouldn't just think

1485
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: you'd blow your BC up and you just you could float.

1486
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: But but you yeah, I mean, who knows it's gonna

1487
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,040
Speaker 1: be your You're pretty small out there in a big,

1488
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 1: big ocean. The other danger that I was never used

1489
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: to is having to ascend with my hand above my

1490
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 1: head because the water seems so clear. It's just like

1491
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: you can reference where you are, you can look up,

1492
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: but then that whole murky layer, you know, you could

1493
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: be running into different things, like you're saying, like offshoots

1494
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: of the rig, and that kind of was a nervous factor.

1495
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 1: Every time you're going up. You know, there's a swim away.

1496
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of drivers that have been been

1497
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: killed that way, you know, hitting their head on the

1498
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: way up, like oh no, knocks you out and then

1499
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,600
Speaker 1: knock you out and you sink. How much like like

1500
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: how much of a trade secret? How well can you

1501
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 1: basically describe the whole shrimp boat thing? Shrimp boat things?

1502
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: There is a thing called shrimp Yes, it's very well known.

1503
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 1: It's very well known. It's very well known. I can't

1504
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: talk too many details. You don't need to talk too

1505
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: many details. But like, but if you if you go

1506
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: behind a shrimp boat, there are fish behind them. Look

1507
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: around and why are those fish behind those shrimp boats.

1508
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: There's a lot of byecatch that these shrimp boats offloads

1509
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 1: a lot of shrimp heads because they had all the

1510
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: shrimp and all manner of everything else and everything. I

1511
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: think it's a There was a couple of turds coming

1512
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 1: out of the coming out of the out of the vessel,

1513
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 1: and then just like holy ship the fish, there was

1514
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: a lot of fish. We were blessed to find some

1515
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: some of those anchored up, moored up shrimp shrimp boats.

1516
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: I think they were taking the day off, probably just

1517
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 1: shrimping at night. And uh, I got a little bit

1518
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 1: of chumming. And if you go to the right one

1519
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: or can be fished, there can be fish more often

1520
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 1: than not. You gotta hunt around. It's not everything everyone,

1521
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 1: that's for sure. And I came down here with I

1522
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: mean I had you know, I'm not like I don't

1523
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: I sell him go to do something where I'm like,

1524
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm my goal. I wanted to get a kobe. Um.

1525
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: I wanted to get a kobe real bad. It's like

1526
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 1: a kind of a sort of almost one of my

1527
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 1: favorite fishes. Definitely one of my favorite fish. Made my

1528
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: favorite fish year. I missed one last year kind of

1529
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: like almost like ticked him a little bit. It made

1530
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 1: like a little noise. Yeah, I think I went down

1531
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: in the water and then like looked up and somehow,

1532
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: I don't know where he came from out of the

1533
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: like over my head, and I remember holding on the

1534
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: bottom of his throat like under his jaw and touched

1535
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,799
Speaker 1: one off and like it made like a slight sound

1536
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: as it deflected off the side of his of himself,

1537
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 1: and I was tantalized. I was titilated, titilated, and uh,

1538
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: this year we jump in. I was like, oh, you know,

1539
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 1: at some point I'd like to get a kobea. You know,

1540
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: everything happens fast underwater. But I jumped in the water

1541
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: and all sudden, just like there is a kobea. They're

1542
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 1: inquisitive in my face. So like coming into hang out

1543
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 1: to do a pass by, noise bubbles, thrashing, came into

1544
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: a pass by, yep, and I got a kobe. But

1545
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: too quick, too easy. Was it too easy? To quick?

1546
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: And then I got another Kobe it was also too quick.

1547
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: I just think, I try again. I think what I

1548
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: want is I wanted. I wanted to dive down and

1549
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 1: have him come by a bunch of times and I

1550
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 1: dive down and you come by a bunch of times

1551
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: and I dive down and I'd get a shot. But

1552
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't go like that. Calling man, the one you

1553
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: shot was a writer on when I had my second one,

1554
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: your second one. Yeah, I shot at Kobe. That was

1555
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: chasing Greg's shot KOBEA which happens and then I, uh,

1556
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 1: the first shot of Kobe, the chase you called me.

1557
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: The first Kobe shot just came from came blasting through.

1558
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 1: That was on a shrimp bout. Huh yep. Yeah, that

1559
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: was a big one too. It was a nice one.

1560
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 1: So I scratched that itch and and Rinella family lore, Uh,

1561
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:34,679
Speaker 1: my mother. There's like old black and white photos where

1562
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 1: my mother, when she was a young woman, caught a

1563
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: big Kobe in Mississippi, and that's an often talked about things,

1564
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 1: probably because there was an old black and white photo

1565
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 1: of it. So it got like you know, I mean,

1566
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 1: it kept its has traction over the years. Is the

1567
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Kobe case Missippi, the steve in front of the shrimp

1568
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: boat in a black and white you know, and put

1569
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: it in front there, So we tired Kobia. Red snapper

1570
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: management here is interesting. We targeted red snapper. Where last

1571
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: year when I was here, it was, if I'm wrong, Friday,

1572
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday. Friday Saturday Sunday is our recreational two per

1573
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: day sixteen inch minimum or eighteen. It was two per

1574
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 1: day last year. It went to three this year. It

1575
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 1: is so you can you can target red snapper Friday,

1576
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: Saturday Sunday, and on holiday weekends like Fourth of July,

1577
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 1: you also get the Monday or the Thursday. If it

1578
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 1: happened to let's follow on that holiday. So we targeted those.

1579
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: Mangrove snapper is much more liberal. Yeah, seven seven days

1580
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 1: a week, tena day, ten a day within your there

1581
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 1: is a cumulative aggregate. So you could have let's say

1582
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 1: three red snappers and seven mangroves. You can't have three

1583
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 1: reds and ten mangroves. Very similar to like water fowlers

1584
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: managed that way, we'll be like six ducks, not more

1585
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 1: of which, right, no no, no, no no no um

1586
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: and then we did. Then I can talk about the

1587
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: last thing we targeted. Yeah, of course I can. Sure.

1588
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: We targeted Triple Tale. We targeted Triple Tale, which sport

1589
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 1: rod and real people get a little touchy about because

1590
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 1: they want that to be just for them. That's okay.

1591
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: They didn't see the lily pads. We found them. No,

1592
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 1: it's not like a general spot. You just have to

1593
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: go find the spot, you know, much guarded a guarded secret.

1594
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: Triple Tale spots. We target trip Tail spots, and um,

1595
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 1: that's really something dirty water like so dirty. It's just

1596
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: you can how can I even describe? Like the best

1597
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 1: you can see is to kind of get like if

1598
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: you're looking up, if you're down at twenty looking up

1599
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: towards the sky, you see shadows. You see no fish detail,

1600
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: it's a shadow. Yeah, everything is just like anything you

1601
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 1: might see is like it's either mud or kind of

1602
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:18,919
Speaker 1: a shadowy. It's very spooky around. It'd be like rummaging

1603
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: around in a dark closet with a really shitty flashlight.

1604
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 1: It's pretty and there's a guy there that wants to

1605
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:30,839
Speaker 1: be in the head with something, and there's a guy somewhere,

1606
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: and there's a guy with holding your breast. Somewhere's the

1607
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 1: guy with the bat and the head and you gotta

1608
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: hold your bread some big bull sharks. Yeah, that's the

1609
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,560
Speaker 1: guy with the bat. Yeah, that's you. Came on the

1610
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 1: boat and you're like that ain't for the fan of hire.

1611
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: It is really intimidating, really intimidating. Yeah. Yeah, I've I've

1612
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: taken a couple of close friends that have dove all

1613
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 1: over the place to do that, and they did one

1614
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 1: dive and they're like, nope, right back in the boat.

1615
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: I would have really, I would have dove down if

1616
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: someone wasn't saying it's possible. Out of dope downstaid like

1617
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: what's the point, You're like, absolutely cannot do it. You

1618
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 1: cannot do it. That's how we talk at And we

1619
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 1: find the lily pads in there right depth of water

1620
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: and they're right underneath them to push the large mouth

1621
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: out of the way so out of washing out washing

1622
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: out of the delta are uprooted, which like this there

1623
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:25,240
Speaker 1: are massive place, which is true, big huge chunks of

1624
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: the lily pad, like huge chunks like like boat sides,

1625
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 1: and they're coming out of the delta and they get

1626
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: out into the muddy water to the delta and this

1627
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 1: attracts a lot of light weed lines. It's just like

1628
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 1: the mahi. It's like the sarcasm weed lines. Uh, it's

1629
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: just the near shore version of it that the ma

1630
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: he would be offshore, but these are You'll get the

1631
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: triple tail and small jackfish under the lily paths and

1632
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 1: they are in some mock the hair and dirty water.

1633
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 1: Very intimidating. Yes, sneaky. I didn't. I didn't even follow

1634
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 1: Steve at the camera because I'd just be bumping into

1635
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 1: him the whole time because I had to say so

1636
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 1: close to him, so he had to go with the

1637
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 1: go fro. Yeah, it making me nervous. We had to

1638
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: play a ride on my back, hang on your belt

1639
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 1: while we're explored around in the dark. That's good. That

1640
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 1: was awesome. Um, I don't really know because I don't know,

1641
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: but I mean this has to be uh, I mean,

1642
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: this has to be up there with the richest fisheries

1643
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: I've I think so, I mean I've been all over

1644
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 1: the world, you hear, like that that band around southeast

1645
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:44,679
Speaker 1: Alaska is sort of the richest marine ecosystem on Earth,

1646
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 1: Like that latitude band in terms of just pounds of

1647
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: life the water supports when you get into plankton on

1648
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: up right, like like per unit of space pounds of

1649
01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:00,400
Speaker 1: life that it supports is high. And then some areas

1650
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,160
Speaker 1: like you know, people might think of like Hawaii, like

1651
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: so many fish, right but Hawaii, like you have areas

1652
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 1: offshore in Hawaii which your regard it something is a desert.

1653
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 1: It's like something of a marine desert, massive, massive amounts

1654
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: of very deep water inhabited by very few fish right

1655
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:21,839
Speaker 1: there there. And but they're they're like concentrated in slight places.

1656
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: And if you didn't know what you're doing, you could

1657
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 1: go along. You could spend a ton of time drifting

1658
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: along on the surface, staring down and not see ship.

1659
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,600
Speaker 1: Like on the middle of the Pacific. Even though you

1660
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,200
Speaker 1: think like, oh tropical, no one around, must be loads

1661
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 1: of fish. That doesn't necessarily mean there's loads of fish everywhere. Um,

1662
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 1: but here, man, it's incredible. The gulf is incredible. It

1663
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 1: so one of one of the kind. You know. That's

1664
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 1: why we're moving. The rings is such an issue because

1665
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 1: it's it's a special place and every time you come

1666
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 1: down here you need to enjoy it because the next

1667
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:00,160
Speaker 1: time you come back that ring could be gone, and

1668
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: it's one of those things of it's you can come

1669
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 1: down here and take a lot of it, for granted,

1670
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 1: but it's one of those things of you know, some

1671
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 1: of the first rigs that I dove are now gone,

1672
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: and it's one of those things of yeah, you have

1673
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 1: to have to enjoy it while you're down there. Ronnie

1674
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: um Cajun. Ronnie, who's been on the show before, he

1675
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,920
Speaker 1: described losing riggs as um. He said, it's like losing

1676
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 1: a friend. Yeah, it is to lose a good ring.

1677
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: I wonder what it was like here before the rigs,

1678
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 1: the historical data on it, like was there. I'm sure

1679
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 1: they're the same fish, but yeah, I think they were

1680
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: just obviously they there. We have a few few reef areas,

1681
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 1: so I would assume that they would be more congregated

1682
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: to those those small reef areas. Spotlar. I mean, I've

1683
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 1: seen some pictures going back to like the fifties of

1684
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: but mostly like tuna and things that they caught back then. Um,

1685
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 1: which that the rigs aren't necessarily that relevant to the

1686
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: tuna ficiary. Um. I mean they are to a certain

1687
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 1: extent now because it concentrates them. So we can go

1688
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,599
Speaker 1: target them. But back in those days, I think maybe

1689
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: before the rigs, it was more of a trolling you know,

1690
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:13,439
Speaker 1: you go out troll a rip things like that. Um,

1691
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 1: but now now we got now the rigs are what's

1692
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 1: attracting him. I just think that they hold debit. Yeah,

1693
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: at risk of beating the subject to death. I think

1694
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 1: you have to like whatever it was before. Let's say

1695
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: you could go back to day, you go back to

1696
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: n hundred and we had like some kind of baseline

1697
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,640
Speaker 1: date about the fishery and d I don't know that

1698
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:36,600
Speaker 1: that's coming Like that's not necessarily coming back, you know,

1699
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 1: like removing the riggs isn't gonna return that because of

1700
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: because of why, because of a thousand things. It could

1701
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 1: be better, Like yeah it might, it might be better

1702
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,320
Speaker 1: now with the rigs. But if you look at like

1703
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 1: like someone even if someone did come and say like

1704
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,479
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, it was spectacular and the

1705
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: red the red the red Staffer fishery was amazing and

1706
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:58,680
Speaker 1: nineteen hundred okay, but should changed its nine hundred. I mean,

1707
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 1: you have uh a lot of industrial pllutants that come

1708
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 1: down the river. You have habitat degradation in other ways,

1709
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: you have over over fishing and international waters. I don't know,

1710
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no no no no on so

1711
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's come back, but what is working

1712
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: right now? It's like, what's working right now? The guy

1713
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: the rigs yep. So it's like to to think that

1714
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,960
Speaker 1: to chase something that you're you know, if someone said

1715
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,719
Speaker 1: it was great a hundred years ago, it's like, there's

1716
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 1: no guarantee that that's where you're going. If you have

1717
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 1: a thing that's like a bright shining spot right now,

1718
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 1: hang on to what you have that's good. Totally tell

1719
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: you what's not working right now. Here is our shark problem.

1720
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 1: We have a serious shark problem on shore. You guys

1721
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 1: didn't see it. Where we're out of balance. It's way

1722
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 1: out of balance because there's absolutely no shark fishing beyond

1723
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 1: three miles, so like it's illegal, correct, there's no commercial

1724
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: shark there's no commercial shark fishing whatsoever. And it has

1725
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:02,639
Speaker 1: gotten out of balance. Now we're we're dealing with certain

1726
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 1: areas where we you know, let's say you go tuna fishing,

1727
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 1: you hooked tantuna, you be lucky if you land one.

1728
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 1: All the other ones got eaten by sharks. It's I mean,

1729
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really a problem. They'm not saying that

1730
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 1: they need to call them, but but they need to

1731
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 1: ring some kind of balance to take a more localized

1732
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:27,599
Speaker 1: approach to the management. Yeah, open some areas where they're

1733
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 1: doing great that. Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

1734
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 1: More local, localized management of it would be would be ideal.

1735
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 1: Florida is having the same problem. I mean, they're a

1736
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:40,680
Speaker 1: shark a shark tournament in Florida this week because of

1737
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 1: the same same thing, and then they're getting a lot

1738
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 1: of blowback. There's a lot of people that I mean,

1739
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that have never even been

1740
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 1: in the water that because they watched Nagio, they have

1741
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: this opinion on sharks and they watched too much shark week.

1742
01:46:56,120 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 1: My instagram blew up yes last night because of the

1743
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 1: shark tournament Florida and all the shark up life following

1744
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:07,840
Speaker 1: this is you know hard I love sharks, but you know,

1745
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: if there's an issue with too many sharks, then yeah,

1746
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 1: it's thank in California. I talked to me about just

1747
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: to studies, all the sharks, the great whites, uh, and

1748
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: he said that in recorded history there's never been so

1749
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: many sea lions on the California coast and there is

1750
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 1: now and the sea lions are an issue, and you

1751
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,800
Speaker 1: know they're never gonna go or do anything to the

1752
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 1: sea lions. But like because they're furry, uh, people you

1753
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 1: know like them too much. Yeah, furry cares mad megafauna.

1754
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 1: It's got eyelash. No, if it's got eyelash in the

1755
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:48,759
Speaker 1: water and blinks, people's imagine if it blinks. So Brandon

1756
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 1: tell people how to uh, even though they can't book

1757
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: a spearfishing trip. That's just your that's your recreational passion. Yeah. Um,

1758
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:58,720
Speaker 1: you can get ahold of as far as you can

1759
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 1: get ahold of me gold. Yeah. Instagram, h Spiro Brando

1760
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 1: or Ecstatic sport Fishing either on on both of those

1761
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:12,479
Speaker 1: or Brandon Hendrickson's sport fishing and spear fishing on on Facebook.

1762
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: I gotta warn you, know, you gotta be ready to

1763
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:15,640
Speaker 1: be in a boat with a guy that wants to

1764
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:21,640
Speaker 1: catch fish. Brandon Savage catch If you don't want to

1765
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 1: catch fish somewhere else, but I want to like be

1766
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 1: very focused on the capture of fish, I would go

1767
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: to this guy. Yeah, it's a great Brandon thinking it's fun,

1768
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 1: like like hanging out these great you'll learn a lot um.

1769
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 1: You're you're intense about your discipline, which I think when

1770
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 1: people are paying to go out somewhere, that's what they expect.

1771
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: And you produced. Look at how much I hope my fish. Yeah,

1772
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 1: we crushed it every day. We had three days of amazing,

1773
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 1: amazing weather, amazing diving. We had a good team of

1774
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 1: good divers. Two. But I imagine as a guide, like

1775
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 1: you'd expect to say that, like you're you're versatile, meaning

1776
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 1: like you're going off. You're obsessive about current information, not

1777
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 1: the way the water is flowing, which is part of

1778
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:09,240
Speaker 1: current information. But you're interesting, like what's going on with

1779
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 1: the weather, what's going on with water temperature? Is water clarity?

1780
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 1: Be flexible, do right. There's a lot of that don't work,

1781
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 1: You do that. If that don't work, you do that.

1782
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 1: That don't work, you do that. Like there's a lot

1783
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 1: of things and stuff you need to be to be

1784
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: like good at fishing. Yeah, as your deck can put it.

1785
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 1: There's two kinds of people in this world. There's fishermen

1786
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 1: and those that wish they were. There might be a

1787
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 1: third out there. I think I met a couple, but

1788
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:41,759
Speaker 1: does that cut bait and get chest or the chummer?

1789
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: All right? Thanks? And uh and uh, tell folks where

1790
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 1: to find you Greg, or where to find your product assortments. Yeah,

1791
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:52,640
Speaker 1: it's Rob Allen diving dot com. So anytime you look

1792
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 1: up prob balance, spear guns, something we'll pop up that

1793
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 1: has to do with me. And if you have a

1794
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: question about rab balan stuff, you're in, you're in. You're

1795
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: in the US of A. You'll probably want to talking

1796
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: to Greg. Yeah, if it's if it's into us, you'll

1797
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: end up talking to me um or my wife for

1798
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:07,560
Speaker 1: one of one of the guys at the shop. And

1799
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:09,719
Speaker 1: then if it gets fed to South Africa, it'll probably

1800
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 1: get something back to me. You'll probably get you'll talk

1801
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 1: to your email someone in South Africa. I want you

1802
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: want to be talk Greg anyway. And uh, Mike, you

1803
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 1: you imagine because you're a photographer and all that you're

1804
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:25,559
Speaker 1: on social Yeah, rape photo and rape photo dot com.

1805
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 1: People are a A B E P H O. TA.

1806
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 1: You need a picture of something taking underwater? I'm your man.

1807
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 1: Mike's working on a cool white sea bass documentary. Yeah. Actually,

1808
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 1: at the end of this month, hopefully I'll be done

1809
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:44,800
Speaker 1: filming and then on editing and hoping to have like

1810
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 1: a premier this winter December January, and they're not gonna

1811
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:51,800
Speaker 1: submit the film festivals. You can call it all about

1812
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 1: White Sea Bass. So I'm gonna do uh, like a

1813
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 1: photo a contest on Instagram and see what people name

1814
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 1: people can give me in. The winner will get a print.

1815
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: I just haven't done yet, sweet because I don't know

1816
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:07,600
Speaker 1: what's the name it a White Sea Bass documentary is

1817
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: the hardest part. It's like soup the knots on White

1818
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 1: Sea bass, right, Yeah, it would be like behaviors and

1819
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 1: then it will be a human impact the from the

1820
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 1: natives to gil netting to the recovery of White Sea

1821
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 1: Best natural history. They stopped gil nitting in ninety two,

1822
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,880
Speaker 1: so it's been thirty years, so it's kind of cool.

1823
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 1: It's thirty years of life span and White Sea Best.

1824
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 1: We're kind of seeing what gil knitting, the stopping of

1825
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 1: guild ning, what it's done. Oh and the guildnetting decimated

1826
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 1: White Seabs and uh Johnson yep married to Kimmy warreners.

1827
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 1: So if you go look at Kimmy Warner stuff, it's

1828
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 1: mostly taking my Jobson. Yeah, you can find me at

1829
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 1: Kimmy Swimmy on Instagram. Uh no, but we uh we do. Yeah,

1830
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram to Sanamatowski. But we have some exciting

1831
01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 1: things coming out with Meat Eater coming out this fall.

1832
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 1: So working with my wife am Me on that and

1833
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,760
Speaker 1: my son Buddy on that too, and so this fall

1834
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 1: there will be some cool episode series and videos and

1835
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 1: things like that. And then Chester to Dive Master. I'll

1836
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 1: be here still a muskie Chat. Muskie Chat Joe Tommy Edson.

1837
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 1: After he came in and did trivia and performed so well,

1838
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 1: the guys at work have dubbed him the blue collar Scholar.

1839
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,880
Speaker 1: I love it. Did he change his at he went

1840
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: and secured the blue collar Scholar fork truck driver Trivia Master?

1841
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 1: I like it all right, Buddy, Thanks a lot