Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff
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Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie,
Speaker 1: do you have any old memories, childhood memories, even infant
Speaker 1: memories lost in the in the in the haze of
Speaker 1: forgetfulness emerging in which you you're looking out out of
Speaker 1: a bassinet and there's a grandma or an aunt coming
Speaker 1: at you teeth ready. They're kind They're gonna bite you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna eat you up. Yeah there, I'm so cute
Speaker 1: as a baby. They're gonna eat me up and we'll
Speaker 1: just go fasting cheeks. Yeah, I know, I do have
Speaker 1: this one of my earliest memories. And I have now
Speaker 1: come to know these people as the cheek pinching Mafia.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so well. I mean, you have a daughter yourself.
Speaker 1: Have you observed family members or even strangers going in
Speaker 1: for a pinch, going in for a nibble, telling you
Speaker 1: about legs, like the fat on the baby legs. I
Speaker 1: remember when my daughter there was a certain period of
Speaker 1: times she got super chunky, and people just like I
Speaker 1: don't want to eat, and it was just concerning I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, so you yourself have never felt the
Speaker 1: temptation to go after a little thy meat. No, And
Speaker 1: we should explain these people don't actually want to eat
Speaker 1: the baby or do harm to it. They're just they're
Speaker 1: experiencing an unparalleled level of joy and they can't help themselves.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about today. Yeah, it's important
Speaker 1: to note. Yeah, first, first off, let's just say that
Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with any kind of malicious biting.
Speaker 1: That's an entirely different, different area of study. Um, and
Speaker 1: it's also something that not everyone is going to relate to.
Speaker 1: We ran into this a bet when we we did
Speaker 1: a video on this topic, more specially about a recent
Speaker 1: study that came out out this that we'll get into
Speaker 1: in a bit. And uh, and I think we we
Speaker 1: went with the we went with the title to talked
Speaker 1: about eating baby feed or biting baby feed, or eating babies, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And uh, a number of people we're up in all
Speaker 1: they were just like, oh, that's the that's disgusting. You
Speaker 1: people are monsters. How why would anyone want to buy
Speaker 1: a baby's foot? Babies are precious, or why would anyone
Speaker 1: want to get a baby near their mouth. Babies are disgusting,
Speaker 1: like they were all of these like a number of
Speaker 1: people got it and we're like, oh yeah, I just
Speaker 1: want to eat this kid's you know, feed up. But
Speaker 1: a number of people were just like could not connect
Speaker 1: with it on any level. And having to do a
Speaker 1: blog post where I was like trying to lay it
Speaker 1: out a little more and be like, look, nobody's saying
Speaker 1: eat babies, I know, And then like once again someone
Speaker 1: was like, you guys are satan us. You know, we
Speaker 1: really aren't really, but as a group, those guys are
Speaker 1: very interesting. As a slide note stans Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: m Anton LaVey, very fascinating individual. Um, yeah, I'd love
Speaker 1: to do something on Satanist sometime. Yeah. That means said
Speaker 1: we were, We don't self identify a satanis. Now. What
Speaker 1: we're talking about is this kind of joy that is
Speaker 1: so intense that it's overwhelming. And I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: up Zad Smith's essay on joy. Jadie Smith as a
Speaker 1: writer and she's she's an essays and a fiction writer,
Speaker 1: and in her essay on joy, she says it might
Speaker 1: be useful to distinguish between pleasure and joy, But maybe
Speaker 1: everybody does this very easily all the time, and only
Speaker 1: I am confused. A lot of people seem to feel
Speaker 1: that joy is only the most intense version of pleasure
Speaker 1: arrived at by the same road. You simply have to
Speaker 1: go a little further down the track. That has not
Speaker 1: been my experience. And if you asked me if I
Speaker 1: wanted more joyful experiences in my life, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: at all sure I did exactly because it proves such
Speaker 1: a difficult emotion to manage. And she goes on to
Speaker 1: say that food gives her pleasure on a daily basis,
Speaker 1: but she's really only known pure joy about six or
Speaker 1: seven times in her life, and some of those times
Speaker 1: involved for romantic love. And so it's very interesting essay
Speaker 1: about this um and I want to just read a
Speaker 1: couple of other little bits here. She says, we certainly
Speaker 1: don't need to be neuroscientists to know that wild romantic crushes,
Speaker 1: especially if they are fraught with danger, do something ecstatic
Speaker 1: to our brains. Though, like the pills that share the
Speaker 1: same name, horror and disappointment are usually not far behind ecstasy.
Speaker 1: Right when my wild crush came, we wandered around a
Speaker 1: museum for so long it closed without us noticing. Stuck
Speaker 1: in the grounds, we climbed a high wall, and, finding
Speaker 1: it higher on its other side, considered our options, broken
Speaker 1: ankles or a long night sleeping on our stone. Lion
Speaker 1: and the end of passersby helped us down, and things
Speaker 1: turned prosaic, And after a few months it fizzled out.
Speaker 1: What looked like love had just been tamed spirit. But
Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing to sit on the high wall,
Speaker 1: dizzy with joy and think nothing of breaking your ankles.
Speaker 1: And I love this because this is her example of
Speaker 1: something is joy woyful, it's it's a hard experience. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not pleasure. And she goes on to say that
Speaker 1: occasionally her child is a pleasure, though mostly her child
Speaker 1: is a joy, And she says that means that, in fact,
Speaker 1: she gives us not much pleasure at all, but rather
Speaker 1: that strange admixture of terror, pain and delight that I've
Speaker 1: come to recognize as joy and now must find some
Speaker 1: way to live with daily. Now that this is great,
Speaker 1: because this is exactly what is happening when we are
Speaker 1: talking about babies, in this desire, this this voiced expression
Speaker 1: of wanting to eat them because they're so cute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you you may have brought this, uh that
Speaker 1: that second quote up to me before. I can't remember
Speaker 1: was on the podcast or just outside the podcast after
Speaker 1: after I became apparent, because I certainly when you have
Speaker 1: a child in your life like this, it uh, it's
Speaker 1: a storm of different emotions, and certainly it's certainly not
Speaker 1: something you can just say, oh, it's a pleasurable experience.
Speaker 1: You can say it's a joyous experience. But under that
Speaker 1: umbrella of joy, there are times when it's you know,
Speaker 1: tremendously pleasurable and times when it's tremendously miserable, depending on
Speaker 1: the circumstances. Yeah, So it kind of makes sense that,
Speaker 1: especially through that lens, that people would have that sort
Speaker 1: of reactions to children. And it's not just children too,
Speaker 1: it can be puppies, I mean really, anything that requires
Speaker 1: care anything, Yeah, childlike or or locked in into that
Speaker 1: childlike zone that's uh in the case of a cat
Speaker 1: especially or a dog that's hijacking our our child awareness. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: there's actually a name for this. It's called a dimorphous expression.
Speaker 1: And you've probably heard this before, like tears of joy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy, I cried. They just so overjoy that
Speaker 1: you're just weeping as if somebody had died. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean basically two different expressions that have the same origin.
Speaker 1: So that's where our cheek pinching ants and uncles come in.
Speaker 1: And um, when people highly charge positive emotional situations respond
Speaker 1: with tears of joys or threats of eating a baby
Speaker 1: foot or something. Um, they're just really modulating their emotions. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You can imagine somebody up there in the old brain
Speaker 1: machine manning the switches like its power plant and uh,
Speaker 1: you know there's too much steam in the machine. You
Speaker 1: need to hit the release foul and let some of
Speaker 1: it out. In a similar way, Uh, the little guy's
Speaker 1: man in the switches and says, all right, aunt uh
Speaker 1: aunt Filma here is really about to blow up with
Speaker 1: with positive emotion over this baby. What can we do?
Speaker 1: Throw in a few images into her brain of her
Speaker 1: nibbling the toes off the baby, or nipple nipple and
Speaker 1: a little thigh meat, and that'll bring things down to
Speaker 1: a manageable level. Uh, not that you're rationally thinking any
Speaker 1: of that, but the idea is that this is this
Speaker 1: is all going on under the surface indeed. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break, and when we get back,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the actual studies on them.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back, and you know, I do want
Speaker 1: to say that I can relate to the wanting to
Speaker 1: bite the baby. Yeah, well, not not a baby biter
Speaker 1: per se, But there have been times when I've been
Speaker 1: hanging out with with my son and he's particularly well
Speaker 1: behaved and adorable, I have thought I could just nibble
Speaker 1: his ear. Like there was one time where I was like,
Speaker 1: I can nibble as ear. And then I was like,
Speaker 1: whoa is that dangerous that I just thought that was
Speaker 1: I like actually close to nibbling his ear. And then
Speaker 1: of course they ran across this research and everything was fine.
Speaker 1: But then also like some of the things the various
Speaker 1: games you may play with the toddler where you you
Speaker 1: go in for a little next sugar where you're not
Speaker 1: actually biting the childer thing, but you know you're just
Speaker 1: kind of like, um, you know, making a raspberry noise
Speaker 1: against their fat little necks, or you're you're just tickling them.
Speaker 1: Even like there's a certain amount of of of threat
Speaker 1: and attack with with cute embrace swear it just all
Speaker 1: gets meshed up, and you don't know which side is
Speaker 1: up and which side is down anymore. You know. I
Speaker 1: think about the tickling thing a lot, because there is
Speaker 1: actually there's nothing more joyful to me than to see
Speaker 1: my daughter just shriek, you know, a tear of like
Speaker 1: laughing and also kind of like you know, the sort
Speaker 1: of crying laughing face is the cutest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my son would go, we would tickle him,
Speaker 1: and he'll go, He'll go, no tackle me, no tackle me.
Speaker 1: And then he has a chance to catch his breath
Speaker 1: and he goes more. Yeah, there's a there's a sort
Speaker 1: of symbiotic thing going on there. Um. Now, psychological scientists
Speaker 1: and lead researcher Orienta Aragon of Yale University decided to
Speaker 1: check out this so called cute aggression after seeing the
Speaker 1: actress Leslie Bib on Conan and um coming in, did
Speaker 1: I just do that Conan Conan? Yeah, I kind of
Speaker 1: remember the scene in Conan the Barbarian where there was
Speaker 1: a baby. There may have been. I've been coming up
Speaker 1: with all sorts of alternates pronunciations today anyway, on and
Speaker 1: in Bib but not only expressed her desire to punch
Speaker 1: up baby because it was so cute, and kick a dog.
Speaker 1: But then she admitted that when she met a fellow actress,
Speaker 1: Angelica Houston, that she told her quote, You're just so beautiful.
Speaker 1: I want to cut your face. And so this researcher,
Speaker 1: Orion Oriano Aragon was like, I gotta check this out
Speaker 1: a little bit further because in this interview bib was
Speaker 1: obviously like very excited and expressive about her emotions. It's
Speaker 1: like you can really see it overpowering her. And then
Speaker 1: they have to go to the release valve, except maybe
Speaker 1: an even more extreme version in her case, like she's
Speaker 1: the face is too beautiful, make her imagine her slicing
Speaker 1: it off. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little frightening, alright. So
Speaker 1: so so Aragon, who you know, devotes a lot of
Speaker 1: her work to human emotional connections. This is just her
Speaker 1: only things, just a corner of her research. Two thousand
Speaker 1: fourteen study, she and her team presented participants with images
Speaker 1: of babies, some more infantile than others, um you know,
Speaker 1: some cuter than others. Then they charted their emotional responses
Speaker 1: to each image, as well as due to the duration
Speaker 1: of the emotional charge, that they felt. They found that
Speaker 1: test subjects who showed more bity pinchy aggression when looking
Speaker 1: at a cute baby also showed a larger drop off
Speaker 1: in positive emotion five minutes later. Yeah, and this is
Speaker 1: important because this is really showing that they're they're modulating
Speaker 1: their emotions. In other words, if they hadn't had some
Speaker 1: sort of cute aggression to temper their overwhelming feeling of joy,
Speaker 1: I mean, what would happen. I don't know. Would your
Speaker 1: aunt or uncle like strip off their clothes and run
Speaker 1: naked through this shrieking? You know, this is important. You
Speaker 1: have to think about that the next time someone is
Speaker 1: cute aggressive toward a dog or a baby like this
Speaker 1: person needs to bring it down. Yeah. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: you're really dealing with cute over Look, you're risking qute
Speaker 1: overload at this point, and luckily there is a response
Speaker 1: system in place. Um so yeah. Aragon suggests that that
Speaker 1: this is all a matter of dimorphous expression, rebalancing the
Speaker 1: scales normalizing after an intense dose of the cute and
Speaker 1: that five minute drop and that does observed in the
Speaker 1: experiment seems to demonstrate how the negative emotions allow us
Speaker 1: to moderate those intense positive emotions and restore the balance.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and Arragon did a couple of different online
Speaker 1: surveys here, so it wasn't just one study. Um. I
Speaker 1: think she started with the baseline of a hundred forty
Speaker 1: three participants asking if people cried when they saw loved
Speaker 1: ones reunited, or you know, if they are watching certain movies,
Speaker 1: just to sort of test out whether or not these
Speaker 1: people were perhaps I don't want to say uh, over
Speaker 1: expressing their emotions, but we're maybe a little bit more
Speaker 1: sensitive to these sorts of situations. Um. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: she had a couple of other uh surveys. One online
Speaker 1: study had six d seventy nine participants who confirmed again
Speaker 1: these sort of findings over and over again. Of yeah,
Speaker 1: if the person would respond much more aggressively when they
Speaker 1: were looking at pictures of babies or you know, cute
Speaker 1: things like puppies. Now the question is is it universal. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't know if it's wholesale universal, but Aragon consulted
Speaker 1: language professors in different cultures and yes, indeed, cute aggression
Speaker 1: popped up elsewhere in the world. And Tagalog and which
Speaker 1: is an Austronesian language with about fifty seven million speakers
Speaker 1: in the Philippines and Manila. In some other places, giggle
Speaker 1: refers to gritting of teeth and the urge to pinch
Speaker 1: or squeeze, and then in Farsi, it's not uncommon to
Speaker 1: hear an adult to tell a cute baby, I want
Speaker 1: to eat your livery just play very hannibal, right, it's
Speaker 1: the giggle. Is is interesting too because we actually one
Speaker 1: of the viewers of the video amid the people who
Speaker 1: are saying that we were monsters in satanists, one person said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we totally have a word for that uh in my
Speaker 1: native tongue. So yeah, just just because just because you
Speaker 1: don't have a word for it in English and cannot
Speaker 1: directly relate to it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. See,
Speaker 1: we're not crazy, you know. That was another thing that
Speaker 1: came up in uh in some of the responses to
Speaker 1: the video we did. And by the way, I'll link
Speaker 1: to this video on the landing page for for this
Speaker 1: episode at stuff to bow your Mind dot com in
Speaker 1: case you want to go check that out and actually
Speaker 1: explore a YouTube comment threat um. It can be a
Speaker 1: life changing experience. But there were people who were saying, oh, well, babies,
Speaker 1: Babies are gross baby stink. Why would you want that
Speaker 1: anywhere near your mouth? And it's true babies do poop
Speaker 1: themselves and urinate on themselves and then bomb it on
Speaker 1: themselves profusely. But uh, if they're cleaned and maintained, they
Speaker 1: have a nice film. Well I kind of think it's
Speaker 1: not the fault of the ants and uncle sometimes because
Speaker 1: they are emitting certain pheromones that make them mell lovely.
Speaker 1: And um, I had read about this before. I believe
Speaker 1: it's that the idea behind it is that it's sort
Speaker 1: of a bonding thing. Well, yeah, I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on in the biological level between parent and child. Uh,
Speaker 1: and their loads of studies on this. We've discussed some
Speaker 1: of them in the past here where it's it's about
Speaker 1: the you've got to form that bond that the child
Speaker 1: has to have a bond to survive. And then in
Speaker 1: some cases there is a resistance to the bond on
Speaker 1: the part of the parents because they may need to
Speaker 1: survive without the child. There's, like I say, tons of
Speaker 1: fascinating Uh. Like I said that, there are tons of
Speaker 1: fascinating studies on this. Yeah, And I mean we we're
Speaker 1: talking about is communication through scent, and that's not so odd.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that a lot before. There's a study
Speaker 1: titled Mother's Recognition of their Newborn by Olfactory ques and
Speaker 1: in that study, it was found that women could identify
Speaker 1: their newborn by smell alone after just an hour with
Speaker 1: their newborn. So again that I think that speaks to
Speaker 1: how important smell is. Um, how is that not a
Speaker 1: parlor game? That would be great? You know, pass the
Speaker 1: baby around, pass the baby blindfolded and you have to
Speaker 1: smell which one is yours? That would be great? Would
Speaker 1: it would be great? I think that's going to be
Speaker 1: a new sort of postpartum game. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: in September two thousand and thirteen, in the issue of
Speaker 1: Frontiers and Psychology, researchers looked a little bit more into
Speaker 1: smell and its effect on people. They used brand brain
Speaker 1: scanners to scan the brains of fifteen women, half of
Speaker 1: whom had just recently given birth something like six weeks earlier,
Speaker 1: and half of them had never given birth. And while
Speaker 1: they scanned their brains, they had them sniff the pajamas
Speaker 1: of two day old infants, and these smells were shown
Speaker 1: It to uh, to activate the the subjects reward circuits
Speaker 1: in their brain. Yeah, and now all of the women
Speaker 1: had activation in their reward circuits. But it turned out
Speaker 1: that the women who had just recently given birth to
Speaker 1: their own babies were experiencing it perhaps a little bit
Speaker 1: more intensely. And when we say intense, we're talking about
Speaker 1: like the feeling one gets after having obtained food, like
Speaker 1: the baby, just the smell of the baby, and by extension,
Speaker 1: the presence of the baby is is a meal in
Speaker 1: and of itself. Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting too.
Speaker 1: You're right. It's it's the kind of stuff that that
Speaker 1: makes our brains like just say, hey, you got to
Speaker 1: seek this out again and again. That food insects and
Speaker 1: the baby would would elicit the same sort of responses.
Speaker 1: I think shows how important this is. Making the caring
Speaker 1: for the baby is on par with obtaining food. So
Speaker 1: organism and continue to eat food. These are all good
Speaker 1: things in a part of your genetic mission. Go to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it makes sense that this sense of joy that
Speaker 1: you feel when you look at this cute baby could
Speaker 1: be so overwhelming for some people and they would have
Speaker 1: to bring out this modulating expressions of cute aggression because
Speaker 1: it's really I mean, this is it's umpire, as you say,
Speaker 1: with life or death. And when you look at it
Speaker 1: that way, you're like, Okay, I can understand that. The
Speaker 1: grandmother's response, my response, or you know, or uncle's response
Speaker 1: to this being yeah, it's tied into some of our
Speaker 1: most primal, important wiring. So it makes sense to me. Alright.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go ahead and close this out with
Speaker 1: a little bit more of Z. D. Smith, And she
Speaker 1: says in her essay Joy, the writer Julian Barnes, considering morning,
Speaker 1: once said it hurts just as much as it's worth.
Speaker 1: In fact, it was a friend of his who wrote
Speaker 1: the line in a letter of condolence, and Julian told
Speaker 1: it to my husband, who told it to me. For
Speaker 1: months afterward. These words stuck with both of us, so
Speaker 1: clear and so brutal. It hurts just as much as
Speaker 1: it's worth. What an arrangement? Why would anyone accept such
Speaker 1: a crazy deal? Surely, if we were sane and reasonable,
Speaker 1: we would every time choose a pleasure over a joy,
Speaker 1: as animals themselves sensibly do, the end of a pleasure
Speaker 1: brings no great harm to anyone, after all, And can
Speaker 1: always be replaced with another of more or less equal worth.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, on that note, let's call over the
Speaker 1: robot and do a couple of listener mail. All right,
Speaker 1: This one comes to us from Hannah, and Hannah writes
Speaker 1: in from Northern California, says Hi, Julian Robert. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've got emails last year when the slug Love podcast
Speaker 1: originally aired, but I wanted to toss in my two cents.
Speaker 1: My sister is a U SEE Santa Cruz graduate, and
Speaker 1: as a lifelong resident of Northern California myself, I know
Speaker 1: a thing or two about banana slugs. Hell head into
Speaker 1: the Santa Cruz Mountains, you'll quickly find yourself knee deep
Speaker 1: in these slimy yellow guys hash gals, because of course
Speaker 1: they're amaphrodites. Uh. First off, UCSC does have competitive sports. Tennis, soccer, basketball, swimming, diving, golf,
Speaker 1: cross country, and volleyball are all represented intercollegiically by the
Speaker 1: Banana Slugs. The mascot is named Sammy. Second, the banana
Speaker 1: slug was chosen as the at the insistence of the
Speaker 1: students in the nineteen eighties, when they apparently found the
Speaker 1: sea lion proposed by the chancellor to improperly represent the
Speaker 1: forest located campus. Sea lions rarely get very far inland,
Speaker 1: but banana slugs are freaking everywhere. Finally, there is a
Speaker 1: tradition in Santa Cruz, especially among university students who have
Speaker 1: not all grown up around the gastropods, to kiss the
Speaker 1: first banana slug you see in a year. This will
Speaker 1: cause your lips to tingle due to one of the
Speaker 1: defensive chemicals present in the slug slime, and it will
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of street cred on campus.
Speaker 1: Go banana slugs, Hannah and norcaw go banana slugs. And
Speaker 1: I like that this college is uh traditions and writes
Speaker 1: the passages involve actual intimate contact with gastropods. I think
Speaker 1: that's that's lovely with its mascot. Yeah, talking that though,
Speaker 1: if you're like mascot is alligator, calligator or a wizard?
Speaker 1: Where you're gonna get a wizard? Oh, you can get
Speaker 1: wizards all right. Here's a bit of listener mail comes
Speaker 1: to us from Cameron Camera writes in on the subject
Speaker 1: of genetic memory. Hi, Julian Robert, I've been catching up
Speaker 1: on your podcast episodes and listen to the tripophobia episode.
Speaker 1: You were discussing the study of mice trained to fear
Speaker 1: the smell of cherry blossom and how that fear was
Speaker 1: passed on to the following generations when I was reminded
Speaker 1: of a similar study, if I remember correctly, I was
Speaker 1: watching a science news program called Daily Planet a few
Speaker 1: years back, and they were representing and they were presenting
Speaker 1: a study that was done to figure out why we
Speaker 1: hate or cringe at certain sounds, such as fingernails screeching
Speaker 1: on chalkboards. The researchers concluded that it was a defensive
Speaker 1: mechanism going back to prehistoric man. These sounds we hate
Speaker 1: resemble the sounds made by some prehistoric predators, and that
Speaker 1: defensive trigger has been passed down genetically, just like this
Speaker 1: cherry blossom smell did on the mice. Sorry, I haven't
Speaker 1: had the time to find the actual study for you yet,
Speaker 1: but I thought you'd find it interesting as it goes
Speaker 1: along quite well with your phobia episode. Thanks for the show,
Speaker 1: enjoyable and informative. PS. Is there such a thing as
Speaker 1: fear of podcast? And what would it be called? Ha? Ha?
Speaker 1: And that was such a great email from Cam, because
Speaker 1: not only did it help to spin off a video
Speaker 1: about nails on chalkboard, but at the same time we
Speaker 1: were researching The Grinch and there was a bunch of
Speaker 1: information some people positing that the grinches um disdain for
Speaker 1: the Who's was falling within that same range of nails
Speaker 1: on a chalkboard. I mean, this is just a lovely
Speaker 1: email that was intersecting with everything that we were doing
Speaker 1: at the time. So thank you Cam for that. And uh,
Speaker 1: I think a fair podcast. Maybe podcast fun of phobia?
Speaker 1: Maybe so maybe So I wonder if it would be
Speaker 1: related to the fear of podcasts itself, or the sensation
Speaker 1: of listening to podcasts, or that that feeling you get
Speaker 1: when you look into your podcast folder or on your
Speaker 1: device or in iTunes or however you listen and realize
Speaker 1: that you have so many episodes to catch up. There
Speaker 1: would be the anxiety of like there's not enough time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to get that when I was really listening
Speaker 1: to a lot of music podcast I've I've really tried
Speaker 1: to limit myself since I have a little less time
Speaker 1: for him these days. But I would occasionally I go
Speaker 1: on vacation and I come back and they'd all have
Speaker 1: stacked up, and it's like, oh, that's like it's twelve hours,
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of podcasts right there. What am I
Speaker 1: gonna do? I get that feeling when I look at
Speaker 1: our list of topics and we have this running list
Speaker 1: of topics we want to cover, and I get there's
Speaker 1: just sort of like excitement but also like anxiety of
Speaker 1: when are we going to get to that? How are
Speaker 1: we going to get to that? Indeed, I mean there
Speaker 1: are yeah, there's some topics that we have had on
Speaker 1: the list really since the beginning, like some for various reasons,
Speaker 1: we just haven't gotten around to. Yeah. Some of it
Speaker 1: just has to do with aerendipity though, like you know
Speaker 1: it's the right time, or you know, we've had some
Speaker 1: other things across our desk, like yes, take it out,
Speaker 1: it's time to release the crack and yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes it has to do new studies
Speaker 1: that have come out that that tell us, yes, now
Speaker 1: is definitely the time to do this because here's some
Speaker 1: actual science we can discuss or just whatever is you
Speaker 1: know thrilling us at the time. Yes, so we're not
Speaker 1: all willing nilly all the time, just you guys now
Speaker 1: we're somewhat intentional. All right. Well, there you have it,
Speaker 1: just a little bit of listener mail to get you
Speaker 1: through the night, or the day, or the day whenever
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