1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, you're welcome to Stuff to Blow 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie, 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: do you have any old memories, childhood memories, even infant 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: memories lost in the in the in the haze of 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: forgetfulness emerging in which you you're looking out out of 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: a bassinet and there's a grandma or an aunt coming 8 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: at you teeth ready. They're kind They're gonna bite you. Yeah, 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna eat you up. Yeah there, I'm so cute 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: as a baby. They're gonna eat me up and we'll 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: just go fasting cheeks. Yeah, I know, I do have 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: this one of my earliest memories. And I have now 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: come to know these people as the cheek pinching Mafia. 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so well. I mean, you have a daughter yourself. 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Have you observed family members or even strangers going in 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: for a pinch, going in for a nibble, telling you 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: about legs, like the fat on the baby legs. I 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: remember when my daughter there was a certain period of 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: times she got super chunky, and people just like I 20 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: don't want to eat, and it was just concerning I'm 21 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: not gonna lie, so you yourself have never felt the 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: temptation to go after a little thy meat. No, And 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: we should explain these people don't actually want to eat 24 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: the baby or do harm to it. They're just they're 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: experiencing an unparalleled level of joy and they can't help themselves. 26 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about today. Yeah, it's important 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: to note. Yeah, first, first off, let's just say that 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with any kind of malicious biting. 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: That's an entirely different, different area of study. Um, and 30 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: it's also something that not everyone is going to relate to. 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: We ran into this a bet when we we did 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: a video on this topic, more specially about a recent 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: study that came out out this that we'll get into 34 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: in a bit. And uh, and I think we we 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: went with the we went with the title to talked 36 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: about eating baby feed or biting baby feed, or eating babies, etcetera. 37 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: And uh, a number of people we're up in all 38 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: they were just like, oh, that's the that's disgusting. You 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: people are monsters. How why would anyone want to buy 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: a baby's foot? Babies are precious, or why would anyone 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: want to get a baby near their mouth. Babies are disgusting, 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: like they were all of these like a number of 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: people got it and we're like, oh yeah, I just 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: want to eat this kid's you know, feed up. But 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: a number of people were just like could not connect 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: with it on any level. And having to do a 47 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: blog post where I was like trying to lay it 48 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: out a little more and be like, look, nobody's saying 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: eat babies, I know, And then like once again someone 50 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: was like, you guys are satan us. You know, we 51 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: really aren't really, but as a group, those guys are 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: very interesting. As a slide note stans Yeah, I mean 53 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: m Anton LaVey, very fascinating individual. Um, yeah, I'd love 54 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: to do something on Satanist sometime. Yeah. That means said 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: we were, We don't self identify a satanis. Now. What 56 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: we're talking about is this kind of joy that is 57 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: so intense that it's overwhelming. And I wanted to bring 58 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: up Zad Smith's essay on joy. Jadie Smith as a 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: writer and she's she's an essays and a fiction writer, 60 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: and in her essay on joy, she says it might 61 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: be useful to distinguish between pleasure and joy, But maybe 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: everybody does this very easily all the time, and only 63 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: I am confused. A lot of people seem to feel 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: that joy is only the most intense version of pleasure 65 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: arrived at by the same road. You simply have to 66 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: go a little further down the track. That has not 67 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: been my experience. And if you asked me if I 68 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: wanted more joyful experiences in my life, I wouldn't be 69 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: at all sure I did exactly because it proves such 70 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: a difficult emotion to manage. And she goes on to 71 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: say that food gives her pleasure on a daily basis, 72 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: but she's really only known pure joy about six or 73 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: seven times in her life, and some of those times 74 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: involved for romantic love. And so it's very interesting essay 75 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: about this um and I want to just read a 76 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: couple of other little bits here. She says, we certainly 77 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: don't need to be neuroscientists to know that wild romantic crushes, 78 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: especially if they are fraught with danger, do something ecstatic 79 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: to our brains. Though, like the pills that share the 80 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: same name, horror and disappointment are usually not far behind ecstasy. 81 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: Right when my wild crush came, we wandered around a 82 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: museum for so long it closed without us noticing. Stuck 83 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: in the grounds, we climbed a high wall, and, finding 84 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: it higher on its other side, considered our options, broken 85 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: ankles or a long night sleeping on our stone. Lion 86 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: and the end of passersby helped us down, and things 87 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: turned prosaic, And after a few months it fizzled out. 88 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: What looked like love had just been tamed spirit. But 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing to sit on the high wall, 90 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: dizzy with joy and think nothing of breaking your ankles. 91 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: And I love this because this is her example of 92 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: something is joy woyful, it's it's a hard experience. Um, 93 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 1: it's not pleasure. And she goes on to say that 94 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: occasionally her child is a pleasure, though mostly her child 95 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: is a joy, And she says that means that, in fact, 96 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: she gives us not much pleasure at all, but rather 97 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: that strange admixture of terror, pain and delight that I've 98 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: come to recognize as joy and now must find some 99 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: way to live with daily. Now that this is great, 100 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: because this is exactly what is happening when we are 101 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: talking about babies, in this desire, this this voiced expression 102 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: of wanting to eat them because they're so cute. Yeah, 103 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: I think you you may have brought this, uh that 104 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 1: that second quote up to me before. I can't remember 105 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: was on the podcast or just outside the podcast after 106 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: after I became apparent, because I certainly when you have 107 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: a child in your life like this, it uh, it's 108 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: a storm of different emotions, and certainly it's certainly not 109 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: something you can just say, oh, it's a pleasurable experience. 110 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: You can say it's a joyous experience. But under that 111 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: umbrella of joy, there are times when it's you know, 112 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: tremendously pleasurable and times when it's tremendously miserable, depending on 113 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: the circumstances. Yeah, So it kind of makes sense that, 114 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: especially through that lens, that people would have that sort 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: of reactions to children. And it's not just children too, 116 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: it can be puppies, I mean really, anything that requires 117 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: care anything, Yeah, childlike or or locked in into that 118 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: childlike zone that's uh in the case of a cat 119 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: especially or a dog that's hijacking our our child awareness. Yeah. Now, 120 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: there's actually a name for this. It's called a dimorphous expression. 121 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: And you've probably heard this before, like tears of joy. Yeah, 122 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: I'm so happy, I cried. They just so overjoy that 123 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: you're just weeping as if somebody had died. Yeah, I 124 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: mean basically two different expressions that have the same origin. 125 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: So that's where our cheek pinching ants and uncles come in. 126 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: And um, when people highly charge positive emotional situations respond 127 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: with tears of joys or threats of eating a baby 128 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: foot or something. Um, they're just really modulating their emotions. Yeah. 129 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: You can imagine somebody up there in the old brain 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: machine manning the switches like its power plant and uh, 131 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: you know there's too much steam in the machine. You 132 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: need to hit the release foul and let some of 133 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: it out. In a similar way, Uh, the little guy's 134 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: man in the switches and says, all right, aunt uh 135 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: aunt Filma here is really about to blow up with 136 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: with positive emotion over this baby. What can we do? 137 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: Throw in a few images into her brain of her 138 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: nibbling the toes off the baby, or nipple nipple and 139 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: a little thigh meat, and that'll bring things down to 140 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: a manageable level. Uh, not that you're rationally thinking any 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: of that, but the idea is that this is this 142 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: is all going on under the surface indeed. All right, 143 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break, and when we get back, 144 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the actual studies on them. 145 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: All right, we're back, and you know, I do want 146 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: to say that I can relate to the wanting to 147 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: bite the baby. Yeah, well, not not a baby biter 148 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: per se, But there have been times when I've been 149 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: hanging out with with my son and he's particularly well 150 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: behaved and adorable, I have thought I could just nibble 151 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: his ear. Like there was one time where I was like, 152 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: I can nibble as ear. And then I was like, 153 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: whoa is that dangerous that I just thought that was 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: I like actually close to nibbling his ear. And then 155 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: of course they ran across this research and everything was fine. 156 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: But then also like some of the things the various 157 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: games you may play with the toddler where you you 158 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: go in for a little next sugar where you're not 159 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: actually biting the childer thing, but you know you're just 160 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: kind of like, um, you know, making a raspberry noise 161 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: against their fat little necks, or you're you're just tickling them. 162 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: Even like there's a certain amount of of of threat 163 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: and attack with with cute embrace swear it just all 164 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: gets meshed up, and you don't know which side is 165 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: up and which side is down anymore. You know. I 166 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: think about the tickling thing a lot, because there is 167 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: actually there's nothing more joyful to me than to see 168 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: my daughter just shriek, you know, a tear of like 169 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: laughing and also kind of like you know, the sort 170 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: of crying laughing face is the cutest thing in the world. 171 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my son would go, we would tickle him, 172 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: and he'll go, He'll go, no tackle me, no tackle me. 173 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: And then he has a chance to catch his breath 174 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: and he goes more. Yeah, there's a there's a sort 175 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: of symbiotic thing going on there. Um. Now, psychological scientists 176 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: and lead researcher Orienta Aragon of Yale University decided to 177 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: check out this so called cute aggression after seeing the 178 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: actress Leslie Bib on Conan and um coming in, did 179 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: I just do that Conan Conan? Yeah, I kind of 180 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: remember the scene in Conan the Barbarian where there was 181 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: a baby. There may have been. I've been coming up 182 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: with all sorts of alternates pronunciations today anyway, on and 183 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: in Bib but not only expressed her desire to punch 184 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: up baby because it was so cute, and kick a dog. 185 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: But then she admitted that when she met a fellow actress, 186 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: Angelica Houston, that she told her quote, You're just so beautiful. 187 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: I want to cut your face. And so this researcher, 188 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: Orion Oriano Aragon was like, I gotta check this out 189 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: a little bit further because in this interview bib was 190 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: obviously like very excited and expressive about her emotions. It's 191 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: like you can really see it overpowering her. And then 192 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: they have to go to the release valve, except maybe 193 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: an even more extreme version in her case, like she's 194 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: the face is too beautiful, make her imagine her slicing 195 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: it off. Yeah. Yeah, it's a little frightening, alright. So 196 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: so so Aragon, who you know, devotes a lot of 197 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: her work to human emotional connections. This is just her 198 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: only things, just a corner of her research. Two thousand 199 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: fourteen study, she and her team presented participants with images 200 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: of babies, some more infantile than others, um you know, 201 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: some cuter than others. Then they charted their emotional responses 202 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: to each image, as well as due to the duration 203 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: of the emotional charge, that they felt. They found that 204 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: test subjects who showed more bity pinchy aggression when looking 205 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: at a cute baby also showed a larger drop off 206 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: in positive emotion five minutes later. Yeah, and this is 207 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: important because this is really showing that they're they're modulating 208 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: their emotions. In other words, if they hadn't had some 209 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: sort of cute aggression to temper their overwhelming feeling of joy, 210 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean, what would happen. I don't know. Would your 211 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: aunt or uncle like strip off their clothes and run 212 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: naked through this shrieking? You know, this is important. You 213 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: have to think about that the next time someone is 214 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: cute aggressive toward a dog or a baby like this 215 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: person needs to bring it down. Yeah. I mean, you're 216 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: you're really dealing with cute over Look, you're risking qute 217 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: overload at this point, and luckily there is a response 218 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: system in place. Um so yeah. Aragon suggests that that 219 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: this is all a matter of dimorphous expression, rebalancing the 220 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: scales normalizing after an intense dose of the cute and 221 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: that five minute drop and that does observed in the 222 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: experiment seems to demonstrate how the negative emotions allow us 223 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: to moderate those intense positive emotions and restore the balance. 224 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, and Arragon did a couple of different online 225 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: surveys here, so it wasn't just one study. Um. I 226 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: think she started with the baseline of a hundred forty 227 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: three participants asking if people cried when they saw loved 228 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: ones reunited, or you know, if they are watching certain movies, 229 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: just to sort of test out whether or not these 230 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: people were perhaps I don't want to say uh, over 231 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: expressing their emotions, but we're maybe a little bit more 232 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: sensitive to these sorts of situations. Um. And then yeah, 233 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: she had a couple of other uh surveys. One online 234 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: study had six d seventy nine participants who confirmed again 235 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: these sort of findings over and over again. Of yeah, 236 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: if the person would respond much more aggressively when they 237 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: were looking at pictures of babies or you know, cute 238 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: things like puppies. Now the question is is it universal. Well, 239 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: we don't know if it's wholesale universal, but Aragon consulted 240 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: language professors in different cultures and yes, indeed, cute aggression 241 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: popped up elsewhere in the world. And Tagalog and which 242 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: is an Austronesian language with about fifty seven million speakers 243 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: in the Philippines and Manila. In some other places, giggle 244 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: refers to gritting of teeth and the urge to pinch 245 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: or squeeze, and then in Farsi, it's not uncommon to 246 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: hear an adult to tell a cute baby, I want 247 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: to eat your livery just play very hannibal, right, it's 248 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: the giggle. Is is interesting too because we actually one 249 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: of the viewers of the video amid the people who 250 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: are saying that we were monsters in satanists, one person said, oh, yeah, 251 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: we totally have a word for that uh in my 252 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: native tongue. So yeah, just just because just because you 253 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: don't have a word for it in English and cannot 254 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: directly relate to it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. See, 255 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: we're not crazy, you know. That was another thing that 256 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: came up in uh in some of the responses to 257 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: the video we did. And by the way, I'll link 258 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: to this video on the landing page for for this 259 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: episode at stuff to bow your Mind dot com in 260 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: case you want to go check that out and actually 261 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: explore a YouTube comment threat um. It can be a 262 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: life changing experience. But there were people who were saying, oh, well, babies, 263 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: Babies are gross baby stink. Why would you want that 264 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: anywhere near your mouth? And it's true babies do poop 265 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: themselves and urinate on themselves and then bomb it on 266 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: themselves profusely. But uh, if they're cleaned and maintained, they 267 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: have a nice film. Well I kind of think it's 268 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: not the fault of the ants and uncle sometimes because 269 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: they are emitting certain pheromones that make them mell lovely. 270 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: And um, I had read about this before. I believe 271 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: it's that the idea behind it is that it's sort 272 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: of a bonding thing. Well, yeah, I mean there's a 273 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: lot going on in the biological level between parent and child. Uh, 274 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: and their loads of studies on this. We've discussed some 275 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: of them in the past here where it's it's about 276 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the you've got to form that bond that the child 277 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: has to have a bond to survive. And then in 278 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: some cases there is a resistance to the bond on 279 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: the part of the parents because they may need to 280 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: survive without the child. There's, like I say, tons of 281 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: fascinating Uh. Like I said that, there are tons of 282 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: fascinating studies on this. Yeah, And I mean we we're 283 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: talking about is communication through scent, and that's not so odd. 284 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: We've talked about that a lot before. There's a study 285 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: titled Mother's Recognition of their Newborn by Olfactory ques and 286 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: in that study, it was found that women could identify 287 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: their newborn by smell alone after just an hour with 288 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: their newborn. So again that I think that speaks to 289 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: how important smell is. Um, how is that not a 290 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: parlor game? That would be great? You know, pass the 291 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: baby around, pass the baby blindfolded and you have to 292 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: smell which one is yours? That would be great? Would 293 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: it would be great? I think that's going to be 294 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: a new sort of postpartum game. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Now, 295 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: in September two thousand and thirteen, in the issue of 296 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: Frontiers and Psychology, researchers looked a little bit more into 297 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: smell and its effect on people. They used brand brain 298 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: scanners to scan the brains of fifteen women, half of 299 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: whom had just recently given birth something like six weeks earlier, 300 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: and half of them had never given birth. And while 301 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: they scanned their brains, they had them sniff the pajamas 302 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: of two day old infants, and these smells were shown 303 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: It to uh, to activate the the subjects reward circuits 304 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: in their brain. Yeah, and now all of the women 305 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: had activation in their reward circuits. But it turned out 306 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: that the women who had just recently given birth to 307 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: their own babies were experiencing it perhaps a little bit 308 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: more intensely. And when we say intense, we're talking about 309 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: like the feeling one gets after having obtained food, like 310 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: the baby, just the smell of the baby, and by extension, 311 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: the presence of the baby is is a meal in 312 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: and of itself. Yeah, that's what I thought was interesting too. 313 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: You're right. It's it's the kind of stuff that that 314 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: makes our brains like just say, hey, you got to 315 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: seek this out again and again. That food insects and 316 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: the baby would would elicit the same sort of responses. 317 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: I think shows how important this is. Making the caring 318 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: for the baby is on par with obtaining food. So 319 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: organism and continue to eat food. These are all good 320 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: things in a part of your genetic mission. Go to it. Yeah, 321 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: so it makes sense that this sense of joy that 322 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: you feel when you look at this cute baby could 323 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: be so overwhelming for some people and they would have 324 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: to bring out this modulating expressions of cute aggression because 325 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: it's really I mean, this is it's umpire, as you say, 326 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: with life or death. And when you look at it 327 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: that way, you're like, Okay, I can understand that. The 328 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: grandmother's response, my response, or you know, or uncle's response 329 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: to this being yeah, it's tied into some of our 330 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: most primal, important wiring. So it makes sense to me. Alright. 331 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to go ahead and close this out with 332 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: a little bit more of Z. D. Smith, And she 333 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: says in her essay Joy, the writer Julian Barnes, considering morning, 334 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: once said it hurts just as much as it's worth. 335 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: In fact, it was a friend of his who wrote 336 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: the line in a letter of condolence, and Julian told 337 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: it to my husband, who told it to me. For 338 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: months afterward. These words stuck with both of us, so 339 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: clear and so brutal. It hurts just as much as 340 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: it's worth. What an arrangement? Why would anyone accept such 341 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: a crazy deal? Surely, if we were sane and reasonable, 342 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: we would every time choose a pleasure over a joy, 343 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: as animals themselves sensibly do, the end of a pleasure 344 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: brings no great harm to anyone, after all, And can 345 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: always be replaced with another of more or less equal worth. 346 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: All right. Well, on that note, let's call over the 347 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: robot and do a couple of listener mail. All right, 348 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: This one comes to us from Hannah, and Hannah writes 349 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: in from Northern California, says Hi, Julian Robert. I'm sure 350 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: you've got emails last year when the slug Love podcast 351 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: originally aired, but I wanted to toss in my two cents. 352 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: My sister is a U SEE Santa Cruz graduate, and 353 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: as a lifelong resident of Northern California myself, I know 354 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: a thing or two about banana slugs. Hell head into 355 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: the Santa Cruz Mountains, you'll quickly find yourself knee deep 356 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: in these slimy yellow guys hash gals, because of course 357 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: they're amaphrodites. Uh. First off, UCSC does have competitive sports. Tennis, soccer, basketball, swimming, diving, golf, 358 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: cross country, and volleyball are all represented intercollegiically by the 359 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: Banana Slugs. The mascot is named Sammy. Second, the banana 360 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: slug was chosen as the at the insistence of the 361 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: students in the nineteen eighties, when they apparently found the 362 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: sea lion proposed by the chancellor to improperly represent the 363 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: forest located campus. Sea lions rarely get very far inland, 364 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: but banana slugs are freaking everywhere. Finally, there is a 365 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: tradition in Santa Cruz, especially among university students who have 366 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: not all grown up around the gastropods, to kiss the 367 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: first banana slug you see in a year. This will 368 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: cause your lips to tingle due to one of the 369 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: defensive chemicals present in the slug slime, and it will 370 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: give you a little bit of street cred on campus. 371 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: Go banana slugs, Hannah and norcaw go banana slugs. And 372 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: I like that this college is uh traditions and writes 373 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: the passages involve actual intimate contact with gastropods. I think 374 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: that's that's lovely with its mascot. Yeah, talking that though, 375 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: if you're like mascot is alligator, calligator or a wizard? 376 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: Where you're gonna get a wizard? Oh, you can get 377 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: wizards all right. Here's a bit of listener mail comes 378 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: to us from Cameron Camera writes in on the subject 379 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: of genetic memory. Hi, Julian Robert, I've been catching up 380 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: on your podcast episodes and listen to the tripophobia episode. 381 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: You were discussing the study of mice trained to fear 382 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: the smell of cherry blossom and how that fear was 383 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: passed on to the following generations when I was reminded 384 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: of a similar study, if I remember correctly, I was 385 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: watching a science news program called Daily Planet a few 386 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: years back, and they were representing and they were presenting 387 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: a study that was done to figure out why we 388 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: hate or cringe at certain sounds, such as fingernails screeching 389 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: on chalkboards. The researchers concluded that it was a defensive 390 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: mechanism going back to prehistoric man. These sounds we hate 391 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: resemble the sounds made by some prehistoric predators, and that 392 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: defensive trigger has been passed down genetically, just like this 393 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: cherry blossom smell did on the mice. Sorry, I haven't 394 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: had the time to find the actual study for you yet, 395 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: but I thought you'd find it interesting as it goes 396 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: along quite well with your phobia episode. Thanks for the show, 397 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: enjoyable and informative. PS. Is there such a thing as 398 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: fear of podcast? And what would it be called? Ha? Ha? 399 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: And that was such a great email from Cam, because 400 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: not only did it help to spin off a video 401 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: about nails on chalkboard, but at the same time we 402 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: were researching The Grinch and there was a bunch of 403 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: information some people positing that the grinches um disdain for 404 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: the Who's was falling within that same range of nails 405 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: on a chalkboard. I mean, this is just a lovely 406 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: email that was intersecting with everything that we were doing 407 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: at the time. So thank you Cam for that. And uh, 408 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: I think a fair podcast. Maybe podcast fun of phobia? 409 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: Maybe so maybe So I wonder if it would be 410 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: related to the fear of podcasts itself, or the sensation 411 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: of listening to podcasts, or that that feeling you get 412 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: when you look into your podcast folder or on your 413 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: device or in iTunes or however you listen and realize 414 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: that you have so many episodes to catch up. There 415 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: would be the anxiety of like there's not enough time. Yeah, 416 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: I used to get that when I was really listening 417 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: to a lot of music podcast I've I've really tried 418 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: to limit myself since I have a little less time 419 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: for him these days. But I would occasionally I go 420 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: on vacation and I come back and they'd all have 421 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: stacked up, and it's like, oh, that's like it's twelve hours, 422 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: twenty four hours of podcasts right there. What am I 423 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: gonna do? I get that feeling when I look at 424 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: our list of topics and we have this running list 425 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: of topics we want to cover, and I get there's 426 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: just sort of like excitement but also like anxiety of 427 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: when are we going to get to that? How are 428 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: we going to get to that? Indeed, I mean there 429 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: are yeah, there's some topics that we have had on 430 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: the list really since the beginning, like some for various reasons, 431 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: we just haven't gotten around to. Yeah. Some of it 432 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: just has to do with aerendipity though, like you know 433 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: it's the right time, or you know, we've had some 434 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: other things across our desk, like yes, take it out, 435 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 1: it's time to release the crack and yeah, all right, 436 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes it has to do new studies 437 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: that have come out that that tell us, yes, now 438 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: is definitely the time to do this because here's some 439 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: actual science we can discuss or just whatever is you 440 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: know thrilling us at the time. Yes, so we're not 441 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: all willing nilly all the time, just you guys now 442 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: we're somewhat intentional. All right. Well, there you have it, 443 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: just a little bit of listener mail to get you 444 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: through the night, or the day, or the day whenever 445 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: you choose to listen. In the meantime, be sure to 446 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: check out stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. That's 447 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: where you'll find all the podcast episodes going way back 448 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: to the very beginning. You will find all of our videos, 449 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: all of our blog posts, pictures of what we look like, 450 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: links out to our social media accounts, all that good stuff. Indeed, 451 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: And if you have some thoughts that you'd like to 452 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: share with us, especially with the baby stuff, like do 453 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: you have cute aggression? Have you ever expressed it? You 454 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: can let us know by sending us an email to 455 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: blow the mind at how staff works dot com. For 456 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: more on this and thousands of other topics, visit how 457 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com.