00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. But you're a guess to my home. You gotta come to be empty, and I said, no guests, your presences, presents, and I already had too much stuff. So how did you dare to surbey me? 00:00:48 Speaker 2: Well, it's I said, no gifts. Welcome. I'm bridge Winneger, having a decent defined day. I wanted to go to breakfast and have a biscuit, and the restaurant was out of biscuits. And these little challenges are where you find out where who you really are. And I think I did well with the surprise. I shifted to another menu item, which the waiter or the cashier told me was her favorite menu item. It ended up essentially just being a tortilla full of potatoes that all said. Everything's fine, And I'm so excited because thank god, we've got one of my favorite people here. Today's guest Carrie O'Donnell. Just a delight, Carrie, Welcome to the show. Hi Berzer, thank you for having me. How are you. 00:01:45 Speaker 3: I'm good. You're wearing a Palm Springs T shirt. I bought this shirt last weekend and Palm Springs at the right aid there. Okay, as you can see, beautiful. It really speaks to what Palm Springs has to do. And I've never bought something at I did, like a clothing item, so I feel I felt kind of like I felt punk. Of course. Yeah. 00:02:07 Speaker 2: I always feel like there was like crates of T shirts at right eight or like the last minute price is right outfit, just waiting to have. 00:02:15 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's yeah, like just got to get to it right before the screen was like a. 00:02:19 Speaker 2: Bright red T shirt put on before I meet Drew. 00:02:22 Speaker 3: Or yeah, yeah, I bought like socks at CVS before. But I've never I've never done this. I feel like very committed to this now. 00:02:30 Speaker 2: I think you should commit. I works on a lot of people, and it's working really well. 00:02:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, a little dad headie, have you. 00:02:36 Speaker 2: Ever made a tidy T shirt? 00:02:38 Speaker 3: I think as a as a boy, as a boy in school. 00:02:43 Speaker 2: Okay, sure, yeah, I think I made one. I think in sixth grade I was a hippie for Halloween, which yeah, good look of course. 00:02:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done. I have one one. We had like a family dance every year at my school. In one my mom actually was one of the moms that ran it. 00:02:57 Speaker 2: Wait, a family. 00:02:59 Speaker 3: It was called the family dance. It was one of the biggest moments of the year. And it's just all the families and the kids in the middle school and elementary school go to this. 00:03:07 Speaker 2: What's what sort of dancing are you doing at a family dance? 00:03:10 Speaker 3: Well? That was my fourth grade family dance was the first time I ever heard believe by share. This really cool girl named Brittany Vespie, who was like the cool girl in fifth grade, she requested it, of course, and everyone just sort of like went into this kind of it was like the matrix at the rave and there was like, let's feel it zion and then everyone just starts like raving under. That's how it felt for me. 00:03:33 Speaker 2: And are your parents dancing? 00:03:34 Speaker 3: To know? They're kind of like hawking around like chaperoning. Oh okay, my mom was one of that. She and this her friend were in charge of it and they so every year. It was like when yere was the Super Bowl and they made a balloon what is it goal posts? Balloon? 00:03:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, posts, I'm imagining a niche maybe balloon hooped a football hoop. That reminds me of a early one of my earlier the earliest gay moment I can remember, possibly, or at least culturally, was in seventh grade. I was at the middle school dance and I requested Meredith Brooks's Bitch Yes, and it was clearly not played, but I remember thinking, let's get this going good for you. Immediately ignored. But that's one of those early moments where you just look back and think, oh, yes, it's always been this way for sure. 00:04:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that share moment was a moment. Madonna's Ray of Light was all yeah, of course era for me. I used to like, I've talked about this before with many people and they were kind of against their will maybe, but I've I used to bring I brought Ray of Light to a boys sleepover one. 00:04:45 Speaker 2: The full album. What was the reception? I think supportive but a little confused. 00:04:51 Speaker 3: Sure. I think I remember distinctly as telling asking everyone if they felt too that the album was watery sounding. I was like, is there do you feel like kind of an undercurrent of water throughout every song? And everyone was like, yeah. 00:05:06 Speaker 2: Did you listen all the way through? 00:05:08 Speaker 3: No? I think we got like two songs. I mean, I will say though they were allies because they weren't like Carrie. This is stupid. Why did you bring this? They were sort of just like okay, Carrie, like we'll let you have this and then move on and watch Men in Black. 00:05:22 Speaker 2: That's like the perfect nineteen ninety eight moment, right, yeah, really there for you. 00:05:27 Speaker 3: But the pain of trying to, you know, get them to be on your level of course or how you feel about this was formative for me. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: That takes a huge step to bring. I mean to bring any level of music to just everyone. Let's listen to what I brought. It's a huge moves. 00:05:46 Speaker 3: It's probably still one of the riskiest moves you can make in any social setting. Like, hey, I have this song, like you can get it with like a YouTube video because it's visual, but a song. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: Just to sit there with a friend with to look at but each other and listen to a song that means something to you, yeah, could really just destroy and destroy your soul. And there's I get nervous, just like emailing a second, like I'm like peering at you. You are there's a little bit you're looking through the mic. Yeah, okay, for a moment, you like your eyes were coming through the bar of the microphone. It looked like you were a bandit or so. Yeah, I felt very cat like, Yeah, which was fine. I mean that's kind of the tone of then chests. Yeah, and I was just hearing at each other. I've known you, yeah, kind of just across the room, the smoke, the lasers. We've known each other for a little while. 00:06:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were Twitter friends for a while and then yes, I came here in like twenty thirteen a month. Yeah we hung out. 00:06:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I imagine maybe twenty eleven, twenty twelve. 00:06:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were like, yeah, we would like message each other like funny ryos. 00:06:56 Speaker 2: This was before I mean, this was a time when you could still like kind of meet normal people through Twitter. 00:07:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, before it became what it is now. Yeah whatever, the just terrifying. It was an innocent time, it was. 00:07:08 Speaker 2: And you, I mean you may be responsible for the only good fake accounts that have ever happened on Twitter. Well, I mean there's Tilda Swinton and cat Fancy. Oh yeah, Cat Fancy was that guy Steve disappeared. He did disappear, but he was one of the funniest people. But yeah, that was that was funny because all those accounts I did when I was still living with my parents after graduating and did you start both of those or. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: Steve started cat Fancy, and then Eli Youden, who's great, started Tilda, and then I think like the day he started it, he was like, I've been doing this for a few days. Do you want to get on it with me? For sure? 00:07:52 Speaker 2: And then it blew up. 00:07:54 Speaker 3: Yeah. It was like I mean again, I was living with my parents and I was just like staying up till like four in the morning just watching like more people following it and like, yeah, pretty you know, like people I looked up to were messaging us and being like do I know you? 00:08:08 Speaker 2: Oh my god, what and can you just explain what it was a little bit? 00:08:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was like just tweeting as Tilda Swinton, but this sort of caricature of her, but not in like a just like we both loved. 00:08:22 Speaker 2: Her and I guess respectful, Yeah, clearly a love for Tilda. 00:08:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, just her like talking about like inverting her ribcage and like removing her spine from her mouth. 00:08:34 Speaker 2: And yeah, emerging from various things. Yeah, it's just like dark waters and this sort of Yeah. And then she eventually at least commented or said had something to say about it. 00:08:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. She like a year later, she emailed Eli and said, Hello, I don't know or please don't tell anyone about this email, but I loved what you did and I'm so happy I could be part of it in some way. And then she said rock on. 00:09:00 Speaker 2: Oh that's beautiful. 00:09:01 Speaker 3: And then Eli wrote back, you know, we're not sure if this is actually you, but if it is, we're such big fans. We love you and this is the best thing we could ever get. And then she wrote, now go eat your computer. Oh then it's certainly yeah, commented on a few like, she did an interview once where she talked about it. And then we did some article where we reviewed a fashion show in the voice of the account. Oh beautiful, and she the editor asked us what the email was and we told her and she was like, oh, yeah, that's her, and she sent a picture of us and then she sent back one of her waving to us. 00:09:33 Speaker 2: Oh, that was what an honor. 00:09:37 Speaker 3: It felt cool. 00:09:37 Speaker 2: And this is I mean, kind of the opposite of what happened with cat Fancy, where the official cat Fancy magazine kind of came after the account. 00:09:45 Speaker 3: They banned it. Yeah, they like took it down for a weekend and people were like really pissed. I mean they were, they were very mad. The editor in chief of cat Fancy was not happy, and it was I felt like, I didn't want to be disrespectful to the you know, of. 00:10:02 Speaker 2: Course, I mean it's a like, I mean, it's a whole legacy of cat loving stuff. And the tweets. 00:10:08 Speaker 3: Were pretty They were kind of insane though, so I mean, I'm not I'm not surprised that they were mad because it was very it was menacing. 00:10:17 Speaker 2: I feel like you've had some interesting like catering jobs where you've had weird interactions with people. 00:10:21 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had. Okay, this is the weirdest thing. So I worked at a company and we I guess I can. Yeah, we we did a It was around Christmas time in New York. They didn't tell us where we were going. We had to sign like a release form, and we actually went to Robert Mercer, who funded Breitbart. Oh no, he was having his Christmas party. And I guess I can say this now because it's sure, but yeah, it was his Christmas party and it was a great Gatsby theme. 00:10:52 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 00:10:53 Speaker 3: Out in the middle of it was felt very eyes wide shot. 00:10:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, they put over all your heads and put you in a van. 00:10:58 Speaker 3: Yeah. But it was when all the you know, when the election happened and we were learning about his backers. I was like, oh my god, that was They're a Christmas party. Oh that is horrible. Yeah, that was a weird I think that was the weirdest experience I had. 00:11:13 Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, But did you have some run in with Martha Stewart? 00:11:16 Speaker 3: Yeah? At the I did the New York Ballet Gala, okay, and uh it was it was like Sarah Discoa Parker was there and Natalie Portman and all these like so, you know, you're just gawking at people, and at one point I was I had like arms full of trash. 00:11:31 Speaker 2: The way you're currently holding your arms, it's like you had a baby. 00:11:35 Speaker 3: It felt. Yeah, I was. So I was clearing away some table and then behind me I heard Kathy Kathy, and I turned around and Martha Stewart is walking towards me with like some kind of cocktail in a silk copper pantsuit, and she was just yelling for someone named Kathy, and then she lit We locked eyes for a moment, and I can she looked at me like I was the garbage, which is of course knowing me. As you know, I'm obsessed with her, very happy about that. 00:12:05 Speaker 2: She's the all time best. 00:12:06 Speaker 3: So that was that was a good moment. 00:12:09 Speaker 2: She's still I mean, she's just nails of every I mean her Instagram. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: Her like low key Instagram. It's incredible. Did you ever see that she there was a blizzard in New York a few years ago and she just posted a photo of her in a snowplow and she went, I'm bored, I'm taking a snowplow out. 00:12:26 Speaker 2: I just I was just thinking about recently, a few weeks ago or something, I saw her plowing some road and I was like, fantastic. Yeah, good for Martha. I mean getting out there and doing the work. She loves snowplows and she loves drones. Oh, I wasn't aware of the drone situation. 00:12:41 Speaker 3: Oh. She wrote a time op at called why I Love My Drone? What does she using her drone for to take pictures of her ground, of her sheep? Yeah? She like, She's like, it's very useful for me to fly over my gardens and see what I need to do. And she wrote this glowing piece about why drones are okay, which is the only wasn't allowed to operate a drone. I think, so, oh my god, that's incredible and really funny. I mean, I know this because I'm I'm sad. But Blake Lively, I know, lives in her neighborhood, okay, in Bedford. It's like and so Blake Lively has tried to do her hole Martha Stower Journey. 00:13:18 Speaker 2: Oh, I wasn't aware of this. 00:13:19 Speaker 3: She tried. She brought out like a lifestyle site called Preserve and then it shut down within like three months. She was trying to do like a goop. 00:13:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. 00:13:27 Speaker 3: And Martha actually said that she approved of Blake over Gwyneth. 00:13:31 Speaker 2: Oh, she was kind of checking to me. She handed her the crown. 00:13:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. But I always love to imagine like Blake looking through her kitchen window at like the drones. 00:13:42 Speaker 2: Humming by. 00:13:43 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:13:44 Speaker 2: I have to confess, I can picture vaguely a woman in my brain. I don't know who or what Blake Lively is. 00:13:52 Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's okay. 00:13:55 Speaker 2: She's an actor. 00:13:56 Speaker 3: She's an actor. She was in gossip Girl. 00:13:58 Speaker 2: Okay, so this is where I all apart because I haven't seen Gossip Girl. Oh listen, I haven't seen a lot of the things. Just take them, just go on Netflix and hop on. I think you actually got. 00:14:08 Speaker 3: To kick out of it. 00:14:09 Speaker 2: I probably would. I mean, I mean, you do recommend things and then I take four years to actually do it, and then I regret that I didn't do it. I mean, there was Sister Wives. 00:14:18 Speaker 3: Oh my god. I was shocked that you hadn't seen that when we talked about it. 00:14:22 Speaker 2: Sister Wives is wild. 00:14:24 Speaker 3: Remember, okay, do we talk about the moment where they go to their cul de Sac in Vegas that they escape to and he just does a lap running around the cult because he's like, we're free because they've had to flee Utah. Remember that they had to flee Utah. Because it's the ugliest man in the world. My god, he's windburn and he has just been blessed and they're all obsessed with him. 00:14:47 Speaker 2: I know, he's like sex god to these ones, and he is truly, it's like a mask that's just been beaten by the sand and the dirt. Uh huh. But yeah, I watched did you ever watch Polygamy? 00:14:59 Speaker 3: Usa? No? 00:15:00 Speaker 2: Did I tell you about my experience with Polygamy USA. 00:15:03 Speaker 3: You told me that you knew someone that was on it. 00:15:05 Speaker 2: It was the weird In college. I went to the University of Utah and one of my math professors was this woman, Teresa Cowley, and she was kind of She dressed in what I can describe as a plane way. You know, she would wear like floor length skirts. It was a little odd looking, but it wasn't enough to set off any alarms. But also the way she would occasionally speak about her home life was like just vague and generic enough. There was like, what's happening in your home? It doesn't sound like a relationship. It was like you have living partners or something. But I like, at the time she was a good enough professor, and I mean, obviously it was a very low level math class. I wasn't doing anything any deal, but I moved on with my life. And then years later I had moved to la and I began watching Polygamy USA, this national geographic series that's more documentary than reality, but also just enough reality to keep you hooked. And it was probably two o'clock in the morning. I had downloaded all these episodes and suddenly on my screen Teresa Colly is like speaking out for polygamists. She's part of this family, this compound that split off from Warren Jeffs. Oh my god, I gasped, I remember very clearly sitting in my apartment. 00:16:22 Speaker 3: Just wow. 00:16:24 Speaker 2: And then she's a whole part of the series. I mean, she's a very well spoken you know, she's out there fighting for these polygamists. So they were against Warren Jeffs. They were against one at least. Yeah, as far as I know, As far as polygamists go, it is pretty above the board, you know, consenting adults who just have a bunch of extremely weird ideas. Yeah, but at some point they were part of that Warren Jeffs thing and then split off. What was that called his yf Z Yearning for Zion? 00:16:52 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 00:16:53 Speaker 2: And he's now in prison. 00:16:56 Speaker 3: He is the scary I mean, that is insane. I'm happy that they're not okay with him, right. I think he is the boogeyman. 00:17:03 Speaker 2: He is truly the devil. 00:17:05 Speaker 3: Have you heard him speak on his phone, calls the little voice high like menacing voice on his preaching through the prison phone. 00:17:17 Speaker 2: He's controlling the whole thing. 00:17:18 Speaker 3: From jail, and it makes him more of a martyr. Oh yeah, of course, they've kind of never been more powerful. He's kind of undefeatable for these people. With his voice just like greats on your spine, just a creaking door speaking from it's mockman voice. 00:17:34 Speaker 2: Totally. Did you ever see that documentary? I cannot remember the name, but it was about that Polygamus compound. I think so it's I mean, it's horrifying and I think I had to turn it off because I was. I think the minute I heard his voice, I was like, I can't do right. It's a deeply disturbing thing and not great. 00:17:50 Speaker 3: But there. I also was watching a little bit of like Escaping Polygamy. 00:17:55 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not familiar with Escaping polygamy. 00:17:57 Speaker 3: They have like former polygamis, former people who were attached to Warn Jeff's and they go in and they help people who want to leave escape and then they help them set up. Yeah, and some of them are like torn and they have to go in at like four in the morning and just like get them out and oh wow, grandmothers coming out of their bedrooms and their nightgowns being like where are you going again? And just the devotion these people have to him. Oh, it's wild. It's so crazy. That is that is crazy about your professor. 00:18:26 Speaker 2: Were you following that whole story when he got arrested and he was like outside of Las Vegas in a like an escalade, and he had wigs in the car. This whole situation. You have to look it up. I wish I knew all the details, but he was, you know, he was on the run from the law for a period, and then they finally caught up to him and it was like him and then like another polygamous man and I think three women or something, and I feel like they had a bunch of wigs and salads or something. That's that's what I travel with that every my trunk is just packed with let and just various looks for what are they going to do? I guess they were just trying to speeding through the desert at all times. Well, they're vaguely apocalyptic cult, right, Yeah, it's weird that that never I mean, it hasn't ended in violence. I mean, I'm sure eventually it will. There's probably gonna be some horrible massacre. 00:19:17 Speaker 3: But they have like a I remember in one documentary they have sort of like a silo like built into the mountains. 00:19:24 Speaker 2: Oh, I wonder if you're talking about this. Well, this could be wrong, but there's this thing called the miracle mine. That's this bizarre thing that some polygamists like prophesied will eventually be full of gold. And there are people who still invest in it. And it's clear there's nothing coming out of this mine. But it's either the miracle mind or the dream mine. And it's like owned by who will probably become violent polygamists at some point when they're defending their mind. That's full of just rocks balloons. That's what I wanted to be full of. Miracle mind. Sounds like a bar miracle mine. Yeah, dreamline, I don't know, I don very straight bar. Well, you know the theme of very loosely of this podcast is gifts. Those are all gifts. Yeah, you've given me a variety of gifts in that way. Do you like getting gifts? 00:20:14 Speaker 3: I do. I want to tell the story of the best gift you ever gave me. I'd love to hear when I lived in Brooklyn you I forgot that maybe a month or two before you kind of casually asked me my address, okay, and I just gave it to you and was like, oh, maybe he has like an invitation. I don't know, so I just kind of gave it because I just give people my address, like on the street. 00:20:37 Speaker 2: You can do it right now if you feel. 00:20:38 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I just go up to anyone. But I gave it to you. And then a few months later I got I think an envelope with no return address, okay, and I opened it up. It was just a picture of this kid from like a movie with huge Oh I remember that awful little boy, terrible little boy from some movie that where he's so grading and it was just his toothy smile. And I was actually scared for like twenty minutes because I had no idea, and then all of a sudden, it just I was like, Bridger sent this to me, Oh, I wish And then you texted me like did you happen to get something? And I was like, oh my god. I put it up in my refrigerator. It was up for like a year. 00:21:17 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I had at a job years ago. I would just be on the internet wasting time all day and somehow came across that horrible little boy. 00:21:26 Speaker 3: He kind of like Jodie Foster, Yeah, she was a girl, like a little girl, but like if her teeth were her head. Yeah, he was not like joy but like had that he. 00:21:36 Speaker 2: Had like kind of swoopy hair but more of like a kid act or energy. That was so horrible. I wonder what's happened to him, but. 00:21:44 Speaker 3: It was that was probably the best thing ever sent me. Okay, it shook me, just kind of fired up, unsettled. 00:21:52 Speaker 2: A good gift should do that, just leave somebody feeling uneasy and scared. 00:21:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I like gifts. I mean I'm actually maybe it's like the Catholic in me, but I get really like, like at Christmas time, I'm always like, don't get me anything? Why did you do this? And it's probably really annoying of the person, but I have I do sometimes have a hard time accepting gifts because probably of some underlying issues right that well we don't need to unpact. But yeah, I like gifts. 00:22:26 Speaker 2: Have you gotten any good gifts recently? Yeah? 00:22:29 Speaker 3: I got a robe. 00:22:32 Speaker 2: Oh that's a great gift. A robe or slippers, the things you don't buy for yourself ever, And then once you have you're like, why wasn't this part of my life? 00:22:39 Speaker 3: My boyfriend got me an iPhone. 00:22:41 Speaker 2: Oh very nice. 00:22:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was pretty amazing. Yeah, I like I just like like small. Right. 00:22:51 Speaker 2: Do you like giving gifts? 00:22:53 Speaker 3: No, because I'm I mean, I like, I like giving things to people, but I feel pressure. I don't like shopping, Oh sure, like shopping for shoes, okay, And like contact lenses. Where are you buy contact lenses? Which is I think a Mormon company Contacts. 00:23:11 Speaker 2: They're out of Utah. I had a friend who worked there. 00:23:13 Speaker 3: And they're really nice. Okay when you have to deal with them on the phone, they're like the nicest people. 00:23:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I had a friend who worked there, and I feel like the big benefit of the job is that would give you cereal. 00:23:22 Speaker 3: Oh, which I haven't gotten cereal. Oh well, which that's a good deal. 00:23:27 Speaker 2: Actually that feels to me bare minimum, but it's great turning the diet or some corn places. 00:23:32 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. But like I like getting stuff I like need, you. 00:23:37 Speaker 2: Know, sure, things that like you aren't gonna be able to leave the house without. 00:23:40 Speaker 3: Or I'll go to like CVS and buy like sixty dollars worth of what shit? What what in the world. I'll go to like get contact solution and deodorant and then I'll end up like buying like Crans and a Palm Springs T shirt and a Palm Springs T shirt and like well everything there is like four times is the price it ordinarily should be because they're taking advantage of sick people. Basically, it's like you're sick, but you also need to buy your granddaughter a gift. So here it is at five times the market value. I bought face masks recently. Everything going on in the world. 00:24:15 Speaker 2: Of course, and I just needed to relaxing them to people that I, oh fate, like a yeah, like a medical mass medical I thought you were. I was imagining face mask, everybody, chill out, just feel good. 00:24:30 Speaker 3: What if that was my defense against I guess the coronavirus, just like a masquerade, feathery mass. 00:24:40 Speaker 2: City bus with just a big mass. 00:24:42 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:24:48 Speaker 2: So the podcast is I said no gifts and then sorry, you walk up in the rain and you've got a gift. No, I really I had to. I mean, I guess I'm going to open Yeah, do you want it now? I'll do it on air. Okay, cool, we'll do a live So this is this great bag. Actually this felt very you Where did this come from? 00:25:09 Speaker 3: Uh? Target? 00:25:11 Speaker 2: Target that's a nice bag. I had a recent gift wrapping experience at Targeted. It absolutely sucked. 00:25:16 Speaker 3: Gift wrapping is my hell. That's part of why I don't like guests, right, I can't wrap a gift. One year, I got my sister like a bath and body work like set with like soaps and a sponge, and I could it was like in like hexagonal that can be wrapped like, so I made this. I was like twelve, but I had her wrap it, which is she wrapped her own gifts. That was the work I gave her a little job. Yeah, it's probably the worst brother moment, but well I feel proud of you. 00:25:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a flowery bag. It's a nice like almost a wallpaper and a bow on it. Oh yeah, the extra step. 00:25:50 Speaker 3: I thought it went well. Actually the blue and then. 00:25:53 Speaker 2: We've got tissue. This is dude. Oh look at this, it's got like I just like. 00:25:57 Speaker 3: I wanted to it. Yeah, a little crinkle, Oh yeah that brings you back, right, I'm just feeding it. Yeah, Oh yeah. 00:26:11 Speaker 2: I think people like that. I mean I haven't got any feedback on it, but of course everybody likes a little crinkle. 00:26:18 Speaker 3: Crinkle. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: Now I'm just gonna feel before I look's feeling like a texture that could almost be an alligator skin leather. Yes, it's not wet, so it's not alive, but it is. Uh maybe it was once alive. Yeah, maybe once alive. This could very easily be pleather. There's like some sort of I'm gonna pull it out. Okay, let's see there's like a I feel like a buckle. This is incredible. You have given me what appears to be a purse. You brought me like a leather purse. What has happened, Carrie? What is this? This is incredible. This is the tackiest bag I've ever seen. 00:27:11 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's very practical and it's probably ethical. 00:27:16 Speaker 2: It's definitely not real. It's studded, it's got gold studs all along it. And then I mean so yeah, it's like a it's like a zipper on the You could throw this over your Shoulderah. 00:27:28 Speaker 3: I think I had to attach it. So I think I hope that this is incredible. 00:27:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like a ten faux leather purse backpack. It's sultry. Let's see how it looks. Oh, there's something inside of it. You've given me a mug that just says weirdo. 00:27:49 Speaker 3: I was thinking maybe put a gun in it or some kind. 00:27:53 Speaker 2: Of If I had opened this bag and there was a gun, I would have killed all three of us. I would have shot you, and then I would have pointed at Stephen and said, you know what's next, and then I would have given my farewell address and that would be the end of this podcast. 00:28:06 Speaker 3: It was, you know, I thought that that might that scenario felt plausible with us being together, so I thought maybe I should just start just I just wanted you to This isn't really it's more of like, what could you put in it? Oh? Of course, So it's like it was sort of like trying to show you how much you can actually use it. 00:28:23 Speaker 2: Oh, and this is like so you can take home by the way without opening the bag. 00:28:28 Speaker 3: But it says what this weirdo? Weirdo? 00:28:30 Speaker 2: Of course it gives me. It's a little uh's I take this to the office and everyone knows I've got the edge, and then I'm, you know, theastic gal around town. 00:28:40 Speaker 3: Something about me? 00:28:41 Speaker 2: This weird If you took this to an office space and they didn't realize who you were, they would every member of the office would absolutely despise. 00:28:50 Speaker 3: I want you to bring it to work, well, I will, absolutely and I want you to hold it, kind of put it. I want you to have a whole experience. 00:28:57 Speaker 2: I'll have this extract around my back, make a big deal in the kitchen, bring it out, and then. 00:29:02 Speaker 3: You know, I don't like giving gifts by like I do like more than giving gifts, I like to create an experience right for the recipient. So I wanted you to feel like, oh like kind of a role play. So like you walk in with this, you know, around your shoulder, and then what better than to take out a mug of coffee, a full mug of coffee. 00:29:26 Speaker 2: It's been splashing around in my and then wherever I go people can smell the coffee that's just been dried up in my back. 00:29:34 Speaker 3: Do you want to, like I mean, I I want you to put it on. I'm going to try that. 00:29:40 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I've tried on a shirt on this podcast. I've tried on a jacket. This is just one of many things. 00:29:45 Speaker 3: Okay, good, Can I. 00:29:45 Speaker 2: Lift the microphone up? We'll try to How should I. I'm gonna do it first and over the shoulder. Yeah, it feels good. I'm gonna put the actual I'm gonna put this mugg back in so we know how feel when I show up to work. 00:29:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, just just somewhere in La. You're in La. 00:30:02 Speaker 2: I'm in La. I'm walking down Rodeo heading towards tom Ford. I get in unbuckle it. 00:30:10 Speaker 3: Do you have your wallet on you or do you have Oh I've got my phone? 00:30:15 Speaker 2: Put that in there. 00:30:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean. 00:30:17 Speaker 2: This could fit a bowling ball. You know. 00:30:21 Speaker 3: It's deep. 00:30:23 Speaker 2: I'm not putting my other bag in it. It has depth, and it's absolutely I mean that basically fits. 00:30:28 Speaker 3: It's very abyssle. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: Then that doesn't fit, so I'm going to take that out. Yeah maybe, but now I want to put it on my back. Is that a thing I can do with this? 00:30:39 Speaker 3: I think you can switch the strap? Oh I wanted you. I put it there, but I figured you. 00:30:45 Speaker 2: It's a deeply versatile bag. 00:30:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very verse. 00:30:50 Speaker 2: It's total verse. 00:30:51 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes, oh look at that. 00:30:54 Speaker 2: It's like I'm now selling it over my shoulder and I look incredible. You don to the mics. I could wear this for the rest of the podcast and be totally fine. 00:31:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then. 00:31:06 Speaker 2: Just walk out. 00:31:06 Speaker 3: I think it actually fits you. 00:31:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, it fits me perfectly. It actually gives Now it looks like I'm wearing a like a what is that a quiver? This is my own little quiver. 00:31:16 Speaker 3: Yeah. You can put an animal in there. 00:31:18 Speaker 2: You could put a little bird in there. 00:31:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think imagine a crow, a. 00:31:23 Speaker 2: Crow flying or like half flying because it's it hasn't had enough air, just flying to the floor. 00:31:31 Speaker 3: I yeah, I just I saw it, and I just I knew I had that knew its. 00:31:35 Speaker 2: A zipper on the back. Yeah, that was my favorite part. That's for your mints, your altys. Yeah, it's for your al toys. I recently have not learned my lesson, but I'll just throw my gum willy nilly into my bag. It all comes out, gets unwrapped it and then my phone is covered in gum. 00:31:51 Speaker 3: So it's right here. It separates everything. 00:31:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that you put your perishables in the back up front, you've just got a mug full of coffee at all times. 00:32:00 Speaker 3: Those kind of crackers that are there's like three of them and they're in those plastic and they like peanut butter. 00:32:05 Speaker 2: Oh you're talking about those weird little like is it a handy? Yeah, d I haven't have one of those in a long time. 00:32:12 Speaker 3: It was a very like Little League. 00:32:14 Speaker 2: Where they would come with the cheese. I liked that cheese, except for my problem was once you were out of the cracker, if you just eat the cheese fully nauseating. Oh yeah, you've got to have that weird saltine cracker of cheese. Yeah, it's like a bizarre little paste to But that's easily going to go in there. This could become my hiking bag. 00:32:34 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:32:35 Speaker 2: I would love to be found dead. 00:32:37 Speaker 3: Somewhere with this in the Angela's forest. 00:32:39 Speaker 2: He didn't pack any water, but it did have gum and a handy snack. 00:32:42 Speaker 3: It's a very last scene bag. 00:32:45 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, at the base of a weird security footage of me with this thrown over my back. 00:32:51 Speaker 3: Yeah. Or they find your car parked at the base of a mountain. There's there's like a coating of dust over it, and it's unlocked because of course you wanted it in people to know, And it's just in the front. 00:33:02 Speaker 2: Seat and there's no id, nothing in it. It's just covered in my fingerprints. Oh, I love this. Do you carry a bag? I have a backpack okay, and I actually sometimes use the Walmart the whole foods like recyclable. Oh sure, and what are you carrying in that gym clothes? 00:33:24 Speaker 3: Right? Because I used to my mistake, I use my backpack for jim suff okay, and like I. 00:33:33 Speaker 2: Swim a little wet and mildewy or something, and I. 00:33:36 Speaker 3: Tried to, you know, I would always lights all wipe up the smell. 00:33:38 Speaker 2: It's not going to do it. 00:33:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I use like recyclable bags for the gym sometimes, which probably looks a little questionable, But who cares. 00:33:47 Speaker 2: You're going to the gym. I always look like a disaster at the gym, and I don't care. I'm working myself for life outside the gym. Yeah, within it, I can just be the idea of like getting ready for the gym is insane to me. 00:34:00 Speaker 3: Like putting on makeup, well, I can. 00:34:03 Speaker 2: See myself putting on a full face of makeup before doing working. 00:34:07 Speaker 3: Out, but I could see you like darkening your eyebrows. 00:34:09 Speaker 2: I would love to show up at the gym just essentially kabuki makeup, just beautiful big cheeks, like a little doll. 00:34:18 Speaker 3: I can see it, a bold lip lip. 00:34:22 Speaker 2: I get crushed by the dumbbell and just struggling with all this makeup on my face. 00:34:28 Speaker 3: What do you are? You an active gimmer? 00:34:31 Speaker 2: As of last like about a year ago, I started going to this weird well, no, I'm not gonna say it's weird, it's lovely. It's run by somebody named Dirk and Chanel, husband wife team, and they run like a small private gym that's like semi personal training. You go once a week for half an hour. Well, most people go two to three times a week, but I don't have that in me. I'm going once a week and they work you for a half an hour to the point of dry heaving. 00:34:58 Speaker 3: And it was like a half our turbo workout. 00:35:01 Speaker 2: Right, It's just like pure weightlifting, and it's it truly is hell. I was telling someone recently that, like about three quarters of the way through the workout, every time, if there was like a sniper laser on my head, I would say, take him out. Yeah, just get rid of me. I want to die. 00:35:18 Speaker 3: That's that's means it's working. Yeah, I go to twenty four hour and who and how is that? 00:35:22 Speaker 2: How often are you working out? 00:35:24 Speaker 3: Well? When I have a when I didn't have it, when I didn't work for a year. I was going pretty much every. 00:35:30 Speaker 2: Day every day. What are you doing every day? I don't understand what's happening there. 00:35:34 Speaker 3: I know I did my job thing, looked for jobs, blah blah blah, and then I would just to go like take care of my stress every other job. Why was it? But I was a swimmer and oh okay, like I feel like I'm but I would go probably every day or if not, like every other day or like you know, if it was like if I wasn't that into it that week, I would go like four or three or four times. 00:35:55 Speaker 2: But bottom line, you were going a variety of days. I was going like, but for a while, I was like every day, and were you swimming? 00:36:01 Speaker 3: Mostly? I did cardio, lifted and swam. Wow, that's incredible. I don't know how you do it. Well, it's because I had nothing else to do, and I was like, I figure I might as well just like just good, yeah, at least be healthy. But when I started this job, I just finished it was a six month writing job. I like didn't go ever, no, of course not. And I would go and already find the time steam or like just swim for a little maybe or go on the Staremaster for ten minutes, right, But yeah, it's it's very I'll either be really into it or I'll just be like I have to watch the Real Housewives. 00:36:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course I tried water aerobics for the first time. Really, I went with I was back home in Utah and I went and did water aerobics with my mom. 00:36:48 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:36:49 Speaker 2: It was incredible. It's water is the best. Oh, it's I don't know why you. I mean, it's almost impossible to find water aerobics in LA. But uh, while I was doing it, it was so great. I don't know why we're not doing it more. I mean it was essentially I mean it was literally me and then just forty sixty plus women, like from my mom's age up to like a like a ninety year old woman. But I was having a terrific time. 00:37:13 Speaker 3: That sounds and I'm not saying this like that actually sounds great. It was. 00:37:17 Speaker 2: I mean, I felt like I got a workout and I didn't feel like I put stress on my joints. This sort of good company. Oh, excellent company. 00:37:24 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:37:25 Speaker 2: And it was during the holidays, so they were playing like dance remixes of Christmas carols during it, which was wild. Yeah, well, this bag is incredible. 00:37:40 Speaker 3: You could bring this to the workout. 00:37:42 Speaker 2: Oh, I would love to take this to the workout. Put my water bottle in. Yeah that I'm in a full face of makeup. I've got this song over my shoulder. 00:37:49 Speaker 3: It. I think it's really for any occasion. 00:37:55 Speaker 2: This, I mean Christmas, day to night, data night, daya night, this en. You combine this with jeans. You can do it with a skirt. Oh, yeah, a gown, tuxedo, you're going all jumpsuits jumpsuit? 00:38:10 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:38:11 Speaker 2: Do you want a jumpsuit? No, okay, I don't want a jumpsuit either. I've that's been a discussion on this podcast, and I would like to own one at some point. But I just feel like, where do I go and what does it need to look like on my body? 00:38:24 Speaker 3: I think you could rock one. I don't know. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: It just feel like a move. 00:38:29 Speaker 3: It's a statement, I think. But you've tweeted about wearing leotard. Oh sure, I would like to see that with. 00:38:37 Speaker 2: Me and a leotard headed to the gym with. 00:38:39 Speaker 3: Tap shoes on. But if you did the workout in tapsheese like this fully. 00:38:44 Speaker 2: You just occasionally hear some clicking while I'm lifting lights. That would be incredible. 00:38:49 Speaker 3: You do a power lift, dumbbell and a pair of tap shoes, fully dangerous. 00:38:55 Speaker 2: I went to a tap dancing recital recently, really that had a a sci fi story. It was maybe the most insane live performance I've ever seen. It was out in like I don't know, somewhere on the East Side, and it's a friend is in this tap class and the teacher puts on every year or so a tap show that has a loose story has had some political elements, like La had run out of rain. It was kind of yes, but then there was also like he tried to also put jokes into it. It was not a good combination of anything but true. I'm gonna, i mean, whether my friend remains in it or not. I'm going to go to this once a year because it was banana time. There were people in like chain mail tap dancing. They went to like club Tapwater. 00:39:50 Speaker 3: So like a drought, has. 00:39:52 Speaker 2: A drought has descended on Los Angeles? Yes, yes, of course, And I think there was some element that a little who's that New York a writer that's so horrible that's like always the Borrowitz Report. I had a little a little bit of that sort of humor, you know, where it was like Donald Trump the fiftieth is still president or what I mean that aside, of course, this podcast does not promote Donald Trump, but we also don't permit promote Andy Barrowitz because his satire is who strikes Carrie's walking out with his bag? I'm taking that bag He's hurling through my windshield. Wow, that sounds kind of bold. It's incredible. It was a weird thing to see. You know, within Los Angeles, most things you go see are like kind of people performing at the top of their skill level or whatever, and this is more just like a bunch of people had gotten together at a local gym to learn how to tap dance, and then the leader decided to make it a sci fi story. Well, I feel like we've gotten to we have gotten to the part of the podcast where we're going to play a game. Okay, I'm gonna actually get you a choice. All right, I'm not going to tell you what either game is, but I'll give you the title of the the gun you promised earlier this is the gun I brought. No, I'm going to tell you the title of each game. And you get to pick okay, gift or a curse or gift master, gift or a curse okay, and a number between one and ten. 00:41:21 Speaker 3: Six. 00:41:21 Speaker 2: Okay. I'm going to calculate some things and when I return, will play the game. But while I'm calculating, you can promote something. You can promote yourself, you can recommend something to do whatever you want with the random amount of time you're about to be given. 00:41:36 Speaker 3: Okay. I do a podcast called I'm a co host of a podcast, Sex Unique Podcast with Lara Marie Shane Halls. She's had it for years and I've joined recently as a semi regular co host and we're going on a live tour. 00:41:53 Speaker 2: Carrie, I'm back. Great gift or a curse. I'm going to name three things, okay, three anything. It can be an object to personal whatever, and you have to tell me if it's a gift or a curse and why all right, and there are correct answers. So there's a strong chance you can get zero out of three and then you walk out. If you're shamed, great, but you could also come away a big winner. 00:42:16 Speaker 3: So it's based on what you think. 00:42:17 Speaker 2: Based on what I know. Oh my objective truth. Okay, so number one, Number one, I always have a hard time. I find the things and then my eyes go I basically go cross it and can't see what I'm looking at. Oh, number one text reactions gift or a curse? These are you know, the heart, the exclamation point, the question mark that you can react to a text on an iPhone? Does that? Do you know what that is? 00:42:44 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:42:45 Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think. 00:42:46 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say? Gift? It's a that's a curve ball. I feel like I feel like people would normally say curse, but I think it's a gift. 00:42:54 Speaker 2: Why do you think? 00:42:55 Speaker 3: Because I initially thought this is hell and now I like it because it's I like that it's weird and impersonal, because it's like funny, and to me, it's funny whenever someone likes something or I liked what it does. It's chaotic and it's actually underrated. It is a gift. 00:43:16 Speaker 2: It's a gift. I had this exact emotional journey with them. Initially I stayed away. I wouldn't do it. I felt like another emoji something or other. I wasn't going to do it, and then I was, you know, I don't know what broke me. I think eventually I was just like, I'll dip my toe in this water. We'll give this like a heart, and now I'm fully on board. It's like it's also just like a nice punctuation to a conversation where it's like I'm ready for this to be over. When I've liked something, it's like, I'm not real, I don't need any more talk back from you. We're gonna just I liked the last thing you said and we can move on the haha. Usually I will I'll type out a. 00:43:57 Speaker 3: Ha ha. Yeah, I don't care for the haa. But I like heart or. 00:44:03 Speaker 2: I like it, dislike, dislike basically anything. 00:44:08 Speaker 3: It's a nice conversation. It's like you're right, it's letting both people know, Like I'm going to need a little breather right now for this. 00:44:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I acknowledge that you're You've said something, but that's all we have. The road has ended. 00:44:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. 00:44:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I think I'm on board with it. I like the question mark. I think I can do it more like is a little scary, like is a like for me? Is just that's truly like, Okay, I'm done talking. Yeah, I don't want any more engagement from you. I appreciate whatever you said to me, and now we're done. 00:44:40 Speaker 3: That's a business that's like very business like, Like I like it. 00:44:43 Speaker 2: It's almost like a red read receipt. It's like saw it. That's all that needs to happen. Maybe we need to shift away from the heart because it's a like but it looks like love. Maybe there's like somewhere in between. Yeah, like hmmm, yeah, I wouldn't mind hmmm, just like, oh, all right, do you like read receipts? No, I don't think anyone does, but I occasionally do like them when I'm like in a panic moment, I just need to know if somebody read the thing. Yeah, like like in a business situation. 00:45:14 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I or like yeah, if you something sent to them like a lank or you know, something like an attachment or something, right, Yeah, I think that I remember. It does bring you back to my days of BlackBerry. Oh you never had a BlackBerry? Oh BBM was like the first taste of like passive aggression on social media and just like because you could see when someone read what you wrote and they could leave it on read and it would have like the r in the check market. I couldn't deal with that, but it was it was powerful. 00:45:42 Speaker 2: I sent an email yesterday apologizing to someone and have not heard back. And I am now just living with this growing fear and anxiety about what their reaction is. And there's nothing worse than that, Like did they. 00:45:58 Speaker 3: See the email? They taking a pause? 00:46:00 Speaker 2: Are they taking a pause? Are they just bad at getting back? 00:46:03 Speaker 3: I had a friend once who was like, I was like, you don't really respond to me ever, so I feel like I don't know why I text you, Like I was just I wasn't like shaming them. I was just kind of like, it's more of just an observation, right, And they were like, yeah, you know, I I do read your messages and I take a moment to think about it, and then I'm like okay, and then I sort of forget. 00:46:25 Speaker 2: Not a good formula for communication. 00:46:27 Speaker 3: And I was just imagining them like going and then like seeing something and walking towards it. 00:46:33 Speaker 2: That I'm not on board with that at all. Okay, you've gone one. We're moving on to the next thing. Gift or a curse, whole grain mustard. 00:46:48 Speaker 3: Curse. Why there's just something I'm a I like dijon or yellow, and there's just something flemy about grain mustard. Okay, I don't know, I don't trust it. Fully, I love mustard, but grain feels a little bit curse to me. 00:47:14 Speaker 2: Oh well, unfortunately, fully wrong, No whole grain mustard. And this is a recent discovery for me. Fully a gift. I think it's fantastic. It feels like a I don't even know what I'm eating when I'm eating a whole grain mustard. What is happening? Is that just a bunch of extremely small seeds that I'm putting on food, But it's bursting with flavor? 00:47:38 Speaker 3: The unknown? 00:47:39 Speaker 2: I like the unknown. And I had a brought worse and I put some whole grain mustard on it and I went wild. Okay, I went absolutely crazy. 00:47:48 Speaker 3: So I. 00:47:50 Speaker 2: Reconsider I'm boulder mustard. Yeah, Djon, I'm like, i feel like I'm moving away from the dejon. To be honest with you, I'm like, I'm always on a yellow mustard. Of course I'll eat it honey mustard. I don't mind a honey mustard. It's not my number one. 00:48:06 Speaker 3: Pick tenders into it. 00:48:08 Speaker 2: Oh, of course I haven't done that in a while of course, But for me, the whole grain mustard is a gift, and I think that we should have that. The only thing is, I don't know what you're putting it on other than a broadworst. Yeah, it's very it is severe and Germanic. Yeah, I guess pretzels. Maybe dip a pretzel in that. 00:48:32 Speaker 3: But you already have like the salt, yeah, the little flakes, you know, things of salt. So it's to me crunchy on crunchy all. 00:48:40 Speaker 2: Right, Well, okay, I don't know that the whole grain mustard is crunchy, but maybe you've just had a bunch of bad experiences. Well, I don't care. We're moving on. You've gotten one, right, and you've gotten one. You've just missed the mark by a mile. This final one, you've got to tell me, and this is your chance. It at least not full humiliation, giftter a curse. Funfetti cake, Oh okay, I think for a moment of course, fun canny. Well you think I'll just let people know. Fun fetty cake is like a cake with colorful dots, sweet dots throughout, and then usually has a sweet frosting on the outside, and very photogenic. I would say you'll see it on various Instagrams, this sort of thing. Okay, I've reached it, Okay, gifter a curse. 00:49:37 Speaker 3: It's a curse. Why. There's just there's just something about it that I don't relate to or like when I eat it, it's like, it's just it's so sweet and I love like a simple frosting, a few sprink like specs of you know, there's just something about it that it's like it feels super unnatural, and I, yeah, I know, I'm not a fan. 00:50:10 Speaker 2: Carrie Carrie, Carrie fun Fetti cake is an absolute curse. Right made I come back. 00:50:20 Speaker 3: I felt I could feel, I felt it that you agreed. It is the most upsetting hat. 00:50:26 Speaker 2: I had one sent to me for a birthday a couple of years ago, and immediately I was like, the people who sent this to me do not know me at all. 00:50:33 Speaker 3: It is a betrayal. It's so cold, it's sterile, it's clinical. 00:50:38 Speaker 2: The sweetest thing in the world. It's I think it is a result I mean of Instagram culture and this sort of thing where it's like it's it looks fun on in photos and it's also like, yeah, that's got this annoying nostalgia element tied to it, but it brings there is zero depth, which just eating up. 00:50:58 Speaker 3: It's like home acs sweet. 00:51:00 Speaker 2: It does say just a bad cake. 00:51:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, it does. It is so like it's like almost scientific. 00:51:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I think it did come from like I mean, I could be wrong here. I don't know my food science history, but it feels like it came in like that period of the early nineties when we were like making food as experiments rather than as food or something, and it fortunately disappeared for a while, or at least felt like it was being held at seven year old's birthday parties. But it is now like part of office culture. We got a fun fetty cake and I'm like, well, I'm going to have to drink four cups of coffee with that to balance out the sweetness. And it feels like so sick. It feels like cold math cold. 00:51:43 Speaker 3: Looking at numbers when I see funfetti, I'm like looking at. 00:51:46 Speaker 2: Like you're not feeling you're looking. 00:51:50 Speaker 3: You know. And I worked at Coldstone Oh summer and think they have some kind of like cake battery. 00:51:56 Speaker 2: Oh, I hate the cake batter ice cream. It's horrible. I mean Coldstone is a bad ice cream place. Take me to a basket and rob and take me anywhere. Just yeah, Tcby treats sure tea in the Country's Best. 00:52:08 Speaker 3: Coldstone was That was weird. That was a weird summer. 00:52:12 Speaker 2: Did they make you sing? 00:52:13 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was. Also I was. It was in between junior and senior year, and my parents were like, I was going abroad senior year for the fall semester because I just wanted to get it in before I left, and they were like, if you're gonna go, you have to get a job. Like and so I worked at Coldstone and my superiors were all like teens. 00:52:31 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were. It was very younger than you. Teen Like yeah, like I was twenty one. Oh wow, they were, Yeah, because seventeen sixteen and they were not. They did not approve of the way I did things. Oh yeah, I don't think I could deal with that. 00:52:47 Speaker 3: But I went an autopilot at the end and I was just really good at it. But in the beginning it was really hard. I got a milkshake return, but yeah, just sitting and you just pick at all the little the fun you know, the funny ice cream y gotta have it I gotta have it. 00:53:03 Speaker 2: The sizing is inexcusable. 00:53:05 Speaker 3: There was a ston there was a peanut butter chocolate shape that was I gotta have it was two thousand calories. 00:53:12 Speaker 2: That actually feels low to me for some reason. I mean a full day's calorie. Yeah, I've been It's delicious. 00:53:20 Speaker 3: That was the one thing that. 00:53:22 Speaker 2: They gotta have it. In high school, one of my friend's brothers worked at cold Stone and stole probably five hundred of the punch cards. WHOA, And so for years I could just go in and use the punch cards to get free ice cream fully rubbed Countureman. But now have realized I don't like their ice cream, so it doesn't matter. 00:53:42 Speaker 3: It's also like I remember one time this big family, because it was in the summer, these big families were coming at night, and this one family had like seven people with them in this party, and they were a ton of ice cream. It ended up being like eighty dollars. And the dad was like, you swindled me, or like he was he thought like, and I was like, the price the prices are on the you're like fifteen dollars ice creams. It's not It's not me, it's insane. 00:54:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean is a full curse. Let's move on. Let's find a better cake. This cake it sucks sheet Yeah, grow up, read a book. Okay, so we've you've got two out of three. 00:54:23 Speaker 3: Great. 00:54:24 Speaker 2: Okay, final part of the podcast. We're going to try to help somebody. This is called I Said No Questions. People are writing into I Said No Gifts at gmail dot com. They're asking for help getting people in their lives gifts. They need to get other people gifts, and so let's give one a shot here. This is an interesting one. Highbridger. My fiance's stepfather is turning sixty and the only thing I know, he loves his beer and rock and froll. Okay, we want to get him something special, any ideas. Uh that's from Matthew and Houston and so uh, fiance's stepfather sixty years old, loves beer, he loves. 00:55:14 Speaker 3: Rock and rolling. Texas. 00:55:17 Speaker 2: The picture, Yeah, it's probably from Texas unless he's a somebody that mom met on a fling in you know, New Orleans or something. But he's rock and roll sixty years old, which leaves him in like the I guess that's the early sixties. 00:55:31 Speaker 3: Was boo. He's Boomery on the younger Boomerang. 00:55:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see. So I feel like maybe concert tickets. Yeah, I was thinking I was the Stones coming through town. I had a just like flash of the venue beers. 00:55:48 Speaker 3: Oh yes, this water bottle and they're like eighteens. 00:55:52 Speaker 2: Yes, so maybe no, you go ahead some kind of like craft beer tour. Oh, not a bad idea, but like a brewery. Yeah, preferably a brewery that has like a band playing. Oh wait, does this happen? 00:56:09 Speaker 3: Probably? I mean we're just like a rock and toime, you know, like some kind of like brewery and like a near like a Chipotle. I mean, I know what it looks like. It's like kind of like a half restaurant half brewery. Oh okay, sure if there's like rent that out. Oh that's not a bad I have like an a CDC man and cover band playing Carrie. 00:56:34 Speaker 2: That's way too much for the fiance's stepfather. That was That also threw me because it's like this person is so far removed from Yeah, but it sounds like he's in their life. Yeah, that's true, So he's definitely. Maybe he's a good guy. 00:56:46 Speaker 3: He's like one of those step dads. That's like cool and right, You're like, oh, I call him like like ka Huston calls Kurt Russell. 00:56:52 Speaker 2: Pa, Oh that's right, Like maybe like that kind of pictureing Kurt Russell. 00:56:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he would I would see some kind of I mean Rentiana Brewery is a lot. I'm not going to go that far. Actually, I'm going to take it back because. 00:57:06 Speaker 2: That's like no, that's almost like bar mitzvah or something. 00:57:10 Speaker 3: Just just have him like go to like a have a people meet, have like a section sequestered at like a fun like outdoor outdoorsy bar. Okay, cover man plane. You are throwing people events. 00:57:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the caterer and yeah, I think, okay, well, I think those are good ideas. I mean, once we got to Kurt Russell, I thought, why not get him an air fryer so he can fry up some wings. He's sixty, he's worried about his heart. I feel like those are a little more health conscious. And that seems like it's like right at the crossroads of beer and rock and roll. You want to fry things. 00:57:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, or like teach him how to or like a guide to how to make beer. 00:57:53 Speaker 2: Oh, sure, that's a that's something you do once you're retired. I imagine in your bathtub. 00:57:58 Speaker 3: Of course, he's like a garage batht for some reason, Like it's like a little private. 00:58:03 Speaker 2: Russell is back there brewing up his own personal broom for the event, carries throwing. 00:58:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm am I going to sincere with this. 00:58:12 Speaker 2: Absolutely not I want. I'm trying to have people I. 00:58:16 Speaker 3: Like a live you know, like iused to go to Atlantic City and had these peer bars and like Bruce Springsteen cover bands would play and you'd be like, yes. 00:58:25 Speaker 2: On Jovi, write a song. I feel like looking your fiance's stepfather in the eyes and playing a song a tender balance. If nothing else, it will change the dynamic in a huge memorable way. 00:58:39 Speaker 3: He's having anxiety or is it a man, right, Matthew Matthews having anxiety about like he really cares about stepfather. That's that's like, you're right, It is like very because it's if it was you being like I have to get my stepdad something. I can see that. But like your fiance stepdad, Like you're really. 00:58:59 Speaker 2: Lay emotion and pressure there. That's kind of unprecedented for this podcast. Wild yeah, I mean, and then you're reaching out to a stranger who hosts a podcast, so for help. So again, this is a complicated situation, and I feel like it's going to end in some level of tears. 00:59:18 Speaker 3: Any when you said eye contact, any moment, that just guarantees at one point in the night, he's going to look across the crowded room at his fiance stepdad, and they're just going to have this like just like a tender, meaningful moment, hetero male moment of just like he did good kid, well, like that kind of thing. 00:59:36 Speaker 2: For all we know, mommy's dead, so maybe stepfather is the only person in their lives. 00:59:41 Speaker 3: So he suffered. He came in when his fiance was about ten. 00:59:47 Speaker 2: He's probably that feels like that's when stepdad steps in. 00:59:50 Speaker 3: And then the biological mom passed. 00:59:54 Speaker 2: She probably died or she's been gone for probably ten to twenty years or. 01:00:00 Speaker 3: A divorce, but they still because she was there, he was the stepdad was there raising the kids, or just single fiance as an only child. She her dad took off years before. So like he came in and really swooped in and became filled that void. But then they just split up. But he was like, I still want to have a relationship with you, so like once a week they'd go to get dinner, meet up, and she was like, you know, you really have been the only father figure in my life. So like that could also be. I love it. So like we're gonna have to consider maybe the ex wife. 01:00:30 Speaker 2: The ex wife I also, I mean that just brings up one thing. Maybe we introduce stepfather to father. Maybe that's the gift. It's a son in law stepfather and father ski trip. I think that that's the gift. I think I've landed on it. 01:00:51 Speaker 3: I think that might be. And then drinking at those like outdoor, right, you're a a or what have you? I was at around deck chair. 01:00:58 Speaker 2: Yes, no, you all have your brats and whole grain mustard and what do you do every night? 01:01:04 Speaker 3: Do you like sitting hot tub together? 01:01:06 Speaker 2: But you get to know each other? Yeah, of course, and eventually you return and you've mended this family in a way that you I mean, is the ultimate gift for fiance stepfather and father? Or you're really going to kind of force the mom out of the picture at this point really fast. 01:01:23 Speaker 3: I'll wrap up really quickly. But what if what if the girl the fiance's dad is actually a famous rock and roll singer or yeah, or like a in the area, like a big rock person. Okay, sure he plays malls, yeah or or something. And the stepdad is enamored with the ex husband. 01:01:43 Speaker 2: Oh interesting, he's just like it has like a guy crush on her right right, wants some kind of validation from this person he looks up to. 01:01:51 Speaker 3: So maybe get the ex husband to come in with his band and play at the brewery. 01:01:56 Speaker 2: Ex husband writes a song for step father. We're just playing one of his bigger known hits. Yeah, I want to rock and roll all night? Is that what that's on you up, Jeane? If you're listening, Yeah, A gift is coming. Well I think we I mean we we nailed that. There's a variety of ways. If you don't if there's not something there for your stepfather, then maybe don't get him anything. Yeah, I don't know. Don't ask for help if you can't take it. Yeah, exactly, Carrie. It's been an absolute delight. 01:02:30 Speaker 3: This is amazing. 01:02:30 Speaker 2: I'm walking away from this podcast with a beautiful friend, a friend. If nothing else, this is going to be a friend. It's going to be slung over my back. 01:02:40 Speaker 3: I'm so happy I can imagine you like on the streets of Silver Lake. 01:02:44 Speaker 2: Yes, just going about my business. This is just full of files and coffee. Well, thank you for being here, so awesome, wonderful, and I hope everyone had a nice time. We're gonna move on with our lives great. I said, no gifts. That's an exactly right production. It's engineered by Earth Angel Stephen Ray Morris. The theme song is by Miracle Worker Amy Mann. You can follow the show on Instagram and Twitter. At I said no gifts, And if you have a question or need help getting a gift for someone in your life, email me at I said no gifts at gmail dot com. Listen and subscribe on Apple podcast, Stitcher or wherever you found me. And why not leave a review while you're at it? 01:03:29 Speaker 1: Hell, I invit? Did you hear Gonta mad myself perfectly clear? When you're a guest to me, you gotta come to me empty. 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