WEBVTT - I Choose a Prairie State of Mind with Melissa Gilbert

0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:09.480
<v Speaker 1>You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi, everyone,

0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.920
<v Speaker 1>welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about

0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the choices we make, and today I'm sitting down with

0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:20.200
<v Speaker 1>someone who has made a lifetime of powerful choices, both

0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.280
<v Speaker 1>in front of the camera and far beyond it. If

0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:25.360
<v Speaker 1>you grew up watching Little House on the Prairie, like

0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I did, you already know the impact Melissa Gilbert has

0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.839
<v Speaker 1>had on generations of women. But today I have the

0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.680
<v Speaker 1>privilege to talk with the real woman behind Laura Ingalls,

0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.159
<v Speaker 1>who was and is such a role model for me,

0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.159
<v Speaker 1>both as a young actor and now as a businesswoman

0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:49.040
<v Speaker 1>and industry leader. Trust me, she is a powerhouse. Melissa.

0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited that you are here. Why is Okay?

0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.360
<v Speaker 1>First of all, I understand that you have or may

0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.680
<v Speaker 1>have had a rooster named Fauci.

0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:07.160
<v Speaker 2>We did, We got we got our first batch of

0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.520
<v Speaker 2>chickens and our rooster who we named Fauci in twenty twenty.

0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, and yeah, that is so crazy. I have to

0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.520
<v Speaker 1>show you a picture. I have a dog named Fauci.

0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Here's to see how much he like doctor Fauci.

0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.800
<v Speaker 2>I do see that, Yes, I do see that.

0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Pandemic. Here's here's another angle. Oh my god.

0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, even more so.

0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:30.440
<v Speaker 1>That one's almost better.

0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:31.440
<v Speaker 2>So good.

0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I named him because it was

0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.919
<v Speaker 1>the pandemic and all I was hearing was doctor Fauji

0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Faudi Fauchi Bauchi. But I really one day just looked

0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.920
<v Speaker 1>into my dog's eyes and thought, oh my god, you

0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.760
<v Speaker 1>look like Fauci and that's his name. Now do you

0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.559
<v Speaker 1>think he ever expected to be having pets named after him?

0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't you know what I would imagine compared to

0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the other things that have been after him.

0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:01.360
<v Speaker 1>That good point. Good point. Okay, So obviously, since you

0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.240
<v Speaker 1>have chickens, you are out of LA. I'm so jealous.

0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.600
<v Speaker 1>What was the decision for you to get the heck

0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.840
<v Speaker 1>out of Dodge? How did you come to choose that

0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.400
<v Speaker 1>big change in your life?

0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I left LA quite a while ago when I

0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.720
<v Speaker 2>married my husband, Tim Bussfield. When we met, he was

0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.240
<v Speaker 2>he had moved back to his home state of Michigan,

0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.799
<v Speaker 2>and so when we met, that's where he was living.

0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.519
<v Speaker 2>And when he told me that, I said, that's great.

0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Please get me out of LA.

0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh nice.

0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have to go somewhere I can age, and that.

0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.760
<v Speaker 1>So pathetic that we have to move from our homeland.

0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.720
<v Speaker 2>I know, to eight Justine. So we moved to Michigan.

0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.079
<v Speaker 2>We were there for five years and it was amazing.

0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:56.640
<v Speaker 2>It was so different and peaceful and grounding, and you know,

0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.959
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of a marriage to have that time together.

0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.640
<v Speaker 2>And our kids are grown, so we only had one

0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.320
<v Speaker 2>at home still just for a little while. So it

0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.760
<v Speaker 2>was a really great kind of honeymoon period. But it

0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:14.400
<v Speaker 2>was also a really great time for me to really

0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of land into my own skin. We were there

0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.280
<v Speaker 2>for those five years, and when those five years were up,

0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, we started doing this thing where we would say,

0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.440
<v Speaker 2>what do you want to do this weekend? Let's go

0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.320
<v Speaker 2>to New York. Where do you want to where do

0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:28.920
<v Speaker 2>you want to go have dinner? Somewhere in New York

0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.839
<v Speaker 2>And so we started leaning towards New York again. And

0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.840
<v Speaker 2>we went to New York City and had rented them

0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.360
<v Speaker 2>like an Airbnb, a Verbo for a month or so

0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.080
<v Speaker 2>just to kind of feel things out. And I got

0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:47.480
<v Speaker 2>a play oh yeah, which was really really fun. And

0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.400
<v Speaker 2>so we made the decision to move to New York.

0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.520
<v Speaker 2>So when we moved to the city, the first thing

0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:55.600
<v Speaker 2>we said is we need air and space. We started

0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.760
<v Speaker 2>looking for property in the Catskills and we found where

0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.760
<v Speaker 2>I am now this what was a kind of beaten

0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:07.600
<v Speaker 2>down old hunting cabin, seasonal, no heat. It was so

0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.000
<v Speaker 2>bad that when we would leave the place, we would

0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.880
<v Speaker 2>have to drain the water out so the pipes wouldn't explode.

0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:19.120
<v Speaker 2>And we renovated, as you could see. We put in heat,

0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.520
<v Speaker 2>we insulated, we put in new plumbing, and it was

0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:27.279
<v Speaker 2>ready for us to enjoy in December of twenty nineteen.

0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.599
<v Speaker 2>So on March thirteenth, twenty twenty, when everyone locked down,

0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.880
<v Speaker 2>we came up here and everything flipped and this became

0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.960
<v Speaker 2>home nice and this scene is now the place we

0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:43.160
<v Speaker 2>go for theater, doctors and sushi, basically perfect.

0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.040
<v Speaker 1>They have a lot of all of those.

0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Things, Yes they do. They have quite a few. And

0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:49.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, since we've been up here, now we've now

0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.520
<v Speaker 2>bought the land next door. So now we have forty acres.

0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're starting to develop that. We have our second

0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.200
<v Speaker 2>batch of chickens. We have a lot of wildlife up here.

0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.400
<v Speaker 2>We lost we had a terrible incident with a raccoon

0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:04.599
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks ago, so.

0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.119
<v Speaker 1>I think I heard about on your Instagram. I feel

0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.599
<v Speaker 1>your pain. They just come in and kill things, rip

0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:12.839
<v Speaker 1>them apart, and leave them.

0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I actually had one do that in my house,

0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.160
<v Speaker 2>my last house in La in Tarzana, in the flats

0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.400
<v Speaker 2>at dusk while I was in the ark, jumped the fence,

0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.720
<v Speaker 2>killed one of my dogs in front of me, and left.

0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh it was horrible.

0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.159
<v Speaker 1>They're they're they're so cute, but they're so awful.

0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:32.520
<v Speaker 2>They're just jerk.

0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:36.880
<v Speaker 1>They're just little demons, they really are. We have we

0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.320
<v Speaker 1>have bad experiences with raccoons people.

0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, Yeah, I know. Yeah, And I worked with one

0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.240
<v Speaker 2>on little house when I was a kid, and I

0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:47.120
<v Speaker 2>loved that one. But that was a trained hand fed

0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:49.520
<v Speaker 2>oh baby raccoon.

0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that little, trained handfeld baby could ever

0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.520
<v Speaker 1>turn on you and just like lash out?

0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, I mean they're wild any wild animal, they're

0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.599
<v Speaker 2>wild animals. I I just I can't imagine that, you know,

0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.360
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to do that. So consequently, now I'm

0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:08.080
<v Speaker 2>I have five chicks in the living room in a

0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.359
<v Speaker 2>bruder that I'm andrewising. Now, So that's that's what.

0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.640
<v Speaker 1>You are living my dream life. I just want to

0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.200
<v Speaker 1>say that you've gotten out of LA you're living with

0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.640
<v Speaker 1>your third husband. High I'm my third husband, and it

0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.240
<v Speaker 1>sounds like your life is amazing.

0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:24.559
<v Speaker 2>But it's great.

0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.880
<v Speaker 1>The animals and the nature. I'm really jealous, but I'm happy,

0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:28.719
<v Speaker 1>but I'm jealous.

0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. It's really magical up here, and I have there.

0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.680
<v Speaker 2>There are a couple of deer that come around every

0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:40.360
<v Speaker 2>day that come for apples, and they've been visiting now

0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.600
<v Speaker 2>for a year. And then I had one. I had

0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.640
<v Speaker 2>a third one that had been visiting that just came

0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:49.599
<v Speaker 2>back with a baby. And we've got gorgeous breath taking

0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:54.160
<v Speaker 2>eagles up here and all kinds of fun things like.

0:06:54.160 --> 0:07:00.120
<v Speaker 1>Bigs, bears, Oh my, oh my, no, why in deepa

0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I have? I have a question to ask you then,

0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:07.440
<v Speaker 1>because you sound like mother nature herself what I have.

0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Yesterday I was watering my roses and I saw a

0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.240
<v Speaker 1>deer that had been there the day before, and she

0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.920
<v Speaker 1>just stands there and like watches guard. So I thought, okay,

0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.160
<v Speaker 1>that's a mommy and she's watching guard from the coyotes

0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.400
<v Speaker 1>so if they don't get her baby. Then I saw

0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.840
<v Speaker 1>her kind of go into this brushy area and then

0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.800
<v Speaker 1>she came out with a baby, a tiny little fawn

0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.960
<v Speaker 1>with the dots on it. Still it was barely walking,

0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.440
<v Speaker 1>and Melissa, I was so happy. But then my happiness

0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.080
<v Speaker 1>crashed because I noticed that the baby had a broken leg.

0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.320
<v Speaker 1>It has a broken leg. It couldn't it couldn't keep

0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.200
<v Speaker 1>up with her, and she would go far ahead, and

0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.840
<v Speaker 1>he would try and try, and finally he was like

0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.040
<v Speaker 1>hobbling and he kept following her. But if I see

0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.400
<v Speaker 1>them again, should I take that baby deer to the vet?

0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:01.400
<v Speaker 2>It's very very hard. I learned this because I've I

0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.400
<v Speaker 2>actually picked a deer up off the road, a fawn

0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.520
<v Speaker 2>off the road that had been hit by a car,

0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and it didn't survive. But they they're very very delicate,

0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:18.160
<v Speaker 2>and any kind of trauma they have, they have sort

0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of an instinctive reaction where their bodies just start to

0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:25.400
<v Speaker 2>shut down. So capturing the baby deer might even be

0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.720
<v Speaker 2>more traumatic. I would what, I there are deer people

0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.280
<v Speaker 2>all around, they're deer rescues. I'm there all over La too,

0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and L like.

0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.200
<v Speaker 1>This is sounds like a better idea than me trying

0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.560
<v Speaker 1>to scale the mountain to save the deep baby deer.

0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I would call a specifically a deer rescue and explain

0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:44.840
<v Speaker 2>what's going on because that baby, the mom's probably going

0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:46.600
<v Speaker 2>to reject it at some point and it's going to

0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:52.640
<v Speaker 2>eat formula, milk care hydration. They're just they're really fragile.

0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm going to do that right after this podcast.

0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your advice. Well, let's talk about relationships

0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.840
<v Speaker 1>for a second. Like you said, you're married to Timothy Busfield.

0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.560
<v Speaker 1>He's your third husband. He was in obviously Everybody, he

0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.400
<v Speaker 1>was in thirty something, West Wing just a name too.

0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.200
<v Speaker 1>This guy has worked forever. What a great actor.

0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Really, and you've talked about marriage. I love when I

0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.160
<v Speaker 1>have somebody on my podcast that, you know, I find

0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.720
<v Speaker 1>these synchronicities with in our lives, even though we've never

0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.240
<v Speaker 1>really hung out and we've never really known each other.

0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I know. It's so cool because you said that he

0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.760
<v Speaker 1>is your healing and stabilizing chapter.

0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. There's there's a groundedness to this marriage

0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:46.400
<v Speaker 2>of ours and a comfort level. And I think it's

0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.400
<v Speaker 2>part and parcel of the fact that it's a partnership

0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that we do everything with the other one in mind,

0:09:55.800 --> 0:10:01.040
<v Speaker 2>and we are very considerate of one another extreamly. We

0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:07.319
<v Speaker 2>respect each other immensely, and so there are no decisions

0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:14.040
<v Speaker 2>that are made singularly. Everything is discussed shared, and there's

0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.559
<v Speaker 2>so much comfort in that, and it's so much gentler

0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and easier. And he is just a really spiritual, grounded,

0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.520
<v Speaker 2>easygoing guy. I mean, you know, we all have our moments,

0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.240
<v Speaker 2>but there's so few and far between with both of us.

0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Even our arguments are constructive. Okay, good, Yeah, which is

0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.760
<v Speaker 2>new for me. You know, arguing for me was for

0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.520
<v Speaker 2>a long large part of my life something to be

0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.920
<v Speaker 2>afraid of and then something that I did really badly.

0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Once I found my voice, I picked too many fights

0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.480
<v Speaker 2>just to have them. And and now our arguments are

0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.440
<v Speaker 2>are I mean, when we have them, they're you know,

0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.720
<v Speaker 2>they can get they can get really heated, but we

0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.640
<v Speaker 2>usually end up laugh and then sitting down and talking

0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.680
<v Speaker 2>it through and it never lasts for more than a

0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:06.880
<v Speaker 2>couple hours. Max.

0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.080
<v Speaker 1>What did you guys meet?

0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, we actually first met many many, many many years

0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.520
<v Speaker 2>ago in the eighties, and then we re met in

0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:22.640
<v Speaker 2>the nineties and then now we've been together for thirtyteen years.

0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, Wow, that's incredible. Congrats, Wow.

0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that each of your marriages was made

0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:34.120
<v Speaker 1>for the moment that you are that you were in.

0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.400
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, absolutely, I think it fit with who I

0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.160
<v Speaker 2>was at that time and with whatever was going on

0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:46.520
<v Speaker 2>in my own Not to get too cycling, but healing

0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:51.240
<v Speaker 2>journey from you know, the trauma of the family of

0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.600
<v Speaker 2>origin stuff in childhood. And you know, as as time

0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:59.520
<v Speaker 2>has gone by, I think I've I've become just more healed,

0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.800
<v Speaker 2>which it's more grounded and a lot less dysfunctional. Maybe.

0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, I'm always going to be a banana.

0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's just there's no there's no why. I

0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:12.360
<v Speaker 2>love you.

0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm the best banana spirit ever.

0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm a carneie. You know, we we've grown up in

0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.080
<v Speaker 2>this business. I've grown up in it, my multi generational

0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.080
<v Speaker 2>family has, and so you know, I will jump to

0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:32.280
<v Speaker 2>jazz hands given any opportunity. But I've learned how to

0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.080
<v Speaker 2>set boundaries. I've learned how to hold those boundaries, and

0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I've learned the most important thing, I think, and it's

0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.280
<v Speaker 2>come later in life, is real patience.

0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It seems like we learned so much in after our fifties.

0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I think that's that's valid, and I think

0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:59.679
<v Speaker 2>that it's a really important time, especially for women. Because

0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.520
<v Speaker 2>all of that other stuff is sort of out of

0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.240
<v Speaker 2>the way. Our bodies are. Yeah, they're doing things, but

0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.280
<v Speaker 2>they're not doing the same thing that drive to work

0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.720
<v Speaker 2>or have kids and the hormones and that that sort

0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.800
<v Speaker 2>of push is gone, at least for me. There's a

0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:22.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a more of a relaxedness and more of an ease.

0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.280
<v Speaker 2>And uh, it takes a lot to ruffle me these

0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.960
<v Speaker 2>days too. You know, I just don't. I don't. I

0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.080
<v Speaker 2>don't give up. It's as I was gonna say, fuck,

0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.080
<v Speaker 2>I fully.

0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Fully feel you you know what I mean, Like I

0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not interested in arguing. I'm not interested in wasting

0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.679
<v Speaker 1>any of more of my precious time doing things that

0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:51.959
<v Speaker 1>don't make me happy or make people around me happy exactly.

0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's some validity to the Marie condo and

0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:58.240
<v Speaker 2>sparking joy. If it doesn't spark joy for anybody, then

0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.760
<v Speaker 2>there's no point. There's no and tiny talk and going

0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.360
<v Speaker 2>to things you don't want to go to if you

0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.240
<v Speaker 2>don't have to, doing things you don't want to do

0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.000
<v Speaker 2>if you don't have to. You know, this is the

0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.640
<v Speaker 2>last third of our lives, and I think we have

0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.440
<v Speaker 2>earned the right to live at the way we choose to.

0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:15.880
<v Speaker 2>We've earned the right to our opinions and our ideas,

0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:23.680
<v Speaker 2>and that deserves some respect. Just the fact that we're here, productive, vital,

0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:24.800
<v Speaker 2>vibrant women.

0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean sometimes I'll look at myself and the

0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.160
<v Speaker 1>maryor and I'll think, wow, you did it. You kept

0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.880
<v Speaker 1>yourself alive, and you kept three little kids alive. You're

0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:36.520
<v Speaker 1>doing all right.

0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. And then when the grandkids come.

0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Wait, that's how many grand kids you have?

0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:46.560
<v Speaker 2>We have nine?

0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's a lot.

0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, we have a lot of kids all together. We

0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.640
<v Speaker 2>have seven. I have four boys, and Tim has two

0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:58.760
<v Speaker 2>boys and a girl whoa. And then one of our

0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.520
<v Speaker 2>boys married a woman who already had three grown boys,

0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.880
<v Speaker 2>so those became like big boys. And then there's all

0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the littles. I mean, the littlest one is just over

0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:12.240
<v Speaker 2>a year, probably closer to exteen months of yea, yeah, me, oh,

0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.080
<v Speaker 2>they are they are. I I can't wait. It's so

0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.360
<v Speaker 2>great to have little people like that around. And I've

0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.840
<v Speaker 2>made it very clear to all of the kids that

0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.600
<v Speaker 2>my job is to say yes, so don't expect me

0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.120
<v Speaker 2>to ever say no. Nana does not say no. I

0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.600
<v Speaker 2>say to everything Nanna. That's Nana.

0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.320
<v Speaker 1>That's so cute. I can't wait to be a nana.

0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.680
<v Speaker 2>It's really good. It's really good. Actually, they've all the

0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.280
<v Speaker 2>kids kind of call me different things. Nana is one

0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.920
<v Speaker 2>chunk of the kids, and then the other there's another

0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:47.600
<v Speaker 2>whole section of them that call me Granny Mel.

0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Granny Mel, Nana and Granny. Those are winners.

0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.600
<v Speaker 2>It's so good, so good.

0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:07.680
<v Speaker 1>You and I both had our earliest relationships in the spotlight. It's,

0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.520
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, hard enough to navigate a relationship when you're

0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.280
<v Speaker 1>young like that without Hollywood, but you were with Robblo,

0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.560
<v Speaker 1>who they were both on a path to fame and celebrity.

0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Talk to me about that and what you learned about

0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:26.640
<v Speaker 1>yourself through that.

0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I guess looking back on that those six years, I mean,

0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:38.040
<v Speaker 2>I was such a baby when Rob and I were together.

0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.040
<v Speaker 1>We're six seventeen, right.

0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Seventeen, and we broke up for the last time when

0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:48.320
<v Speaker 2>we were twenty three, and it was very tumultuous, you know,

0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.120
<v Speaker 2>it was. There was a lot of I felt like

0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.320
<v Speaker 2>a bit of an old stage in the business at

0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.600
<v Speaker 2>that point because I'd been doing it for so long

0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.080
<v Speaker 2>and I was still on the little house on the

0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Prairie when we met, and it had already you know,

0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.440
<v Speaker 2>had been years and he was sort of starting out.

0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.320
<v Speaker 2>He'd done a little bit of television, and so I

0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.440
<v Speaker 2>was able to sort of sit back and watch this

0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:15.560
<v Speaker 2>meteoric rise happen. I don't think I think I was

0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:20.080
<v Speaker 2>prepared for the stuff they came with it. Necessarily. I

0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.000
<v Speaker 2>was prepared for all of the like having to go

0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.480
<v Speaker 2>to premieres and things and award shows and all of that,

0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:31.399
<v Speaker 2>but I wasn't prepared for the fandom and frankly, the

0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.879
<v Speaker 2>girls and that sort of you know. To me, I

0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:41.680
<v Speaker 2>always thought that every every girl and woman was my sister.

0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.560
<v Speaker 2>We were sisters, we you know, but it was not

0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 2>evident at all when when I were a couple. I mean,

0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.440
<v Speaker 2>it was like I didn't exist. They just pushed right

0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.159
<v Speaker 2>past me and stick phone numbers in his pockets and stuff.

0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.560
<v Speaker 2>And that was to say. It was disconcerting. Is doing

0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:00.840
<v Speaker 2>it doing it a big disservice? It was and horrible.

0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I think I learned a lot about what didn't work

0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.440
<v Speaker 2>for me actually, and what I wouldn't stand for later on.

0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Those are some of the most valuable lessons.

0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, they hurt their heart to learn because they

0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.720
<v Speaker 2>usually are born of heartbreak and angst. But those are

0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.399
<v Speaker 2>really valuable and important lessons. And yeah, that it was.

0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, we had some really, really really fun times.

0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.919
<v Speaker 2>But in looking back, I look at the way my

0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.880
<v Speaker 2>life is so easeful now, I look at it back then,

0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.879
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like I was like my shoulders were

0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:41.199
<v Speaker 2>always up by my ears, always waiting for the next

0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.359
<v Speaker 2>shoe to drop, or something bad to happen, or some

0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:48.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, something untoward or gross or.

0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, do you feel like because you said you

0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:57.080
<v Speaker 1>started out thinking all women were your sisters? And yeah,

0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I started out that way, just

0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.399
<v Speaker 1>as I started acting young too, and I was thrust

0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:07.560
<v Speaker 1>into this competitive, you know, dog eat dog world where

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.320
<v Speaker 1>it's every man for himself, man woman child for themselves.

0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that the industry had you feeling like

0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that or for other reasons too, or was it.

0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Just I think I was just I was a bit

0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.760
<v Speaker 2>of a gidget. I always assumed everyone would be my friend.

0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.919
<v Speaker 2>Why not I want to be their friends? Why not

0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:34.240
<v Speaker 2>be my friend? I didn't understand professional jealousy because I

0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't really feel it. But I was definitely on the

0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.120
<v Speaker 2>receiving end of it from other young actresses and other

0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:46.119
<v Speaker 2>young actresses I was working with, and it I was

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.800
<v Speaker 2>taken aback by it, and I you know, I was

0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:50.560
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a puppy about it. I would still

0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.840
<v Speaker 2>come running up, you know, like you want to play.

0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to play, and then get smacked back. It

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't really stop me until I think I hit puberty

0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I'm not going to play anymore.

0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I should clear this person does not want

0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.560
<v Speaker 2>to hang out with me. And I've got friends, I've

0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:11.680
<v Speaker 2>got a life. I don't need this doing her loss. Yep.

0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:14.520
<v Speaker 2>But I always gave everyone the benefit of the doubt. Start.

0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:15.399
<v Speaker 1>That's good.

0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, got hurt a lot, but I made some really

0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.760
<v Speaker 2>wonderful friends along with still friends today.

0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:26.320
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's good. That's incredible. Yeah, you didn't go

0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to high school, You didn't go to regular Well, I

0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 1>was sort of.

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean I went to school on the set, but

0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:36.720
<v Speaker 2>I actually I went to the Buckley Oh really Yeah.

0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.080
<v Speaker 2>From my whole school career, as they call it, from

0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.359
<v Speaker 2>the grade they have called reading readiness, which is like

0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.440
<v Speaker 2>their version of kindergarten, all the way through my senior

0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.440
<v Speaker 2>year and then when I eventually, I mean I would

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.000
<v Speaker 2>do commercials and stuff as a little kid, and then

0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.160
<v Speaker 2>when I got little house, I just corresponded the same

0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.000
<v Speaker 2>assignments and work. And then when we were on Hyapa,

0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.600
<v Speaker 2>if I wasn't working, which was the first couple of years,

0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I would go back to school for three months, three

0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:06.720
<v Speaker 2>four months.

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.360
<v Speaker 1>How was it when you went back to school? Oh?

0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.679
<v Speaker 2>It was odd. I mean, it wasn't bad when I

0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 2>was little because most of the kids in my class

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:21.480
<v Speaker 2>had been in my class since yes, yeah, kindergarten essentially,

0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and so we all knew each other. We'd all had

0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.640
<v Speaker 2>birthdays together, we all grew up together. It wasn't until

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 2>junior high and high school that it got kind of

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:34.879
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable because I was this weird combination too, of really

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>awkward because I was super sheltered. So rather than like

0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.119
<v Speaker 2>most a lot or a lot I should say, of

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:46.919
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood kids who grew up really fast, I was the opposite.

0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.639
<v Speaker 2>I was still wearing Mary James when I was seventeen.

0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:56.399
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's because you were sheltered being so

0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.560
<v Speaker 1>young in the industry and being on sets and just

0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:01.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of people reading you a certain way.

0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that and I think it was a conscious

0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:08.959
<v Speaker 2>decision on my mother's part to shield me from as

0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.320
<v Speaker 2>much of the craziness as possible, because it was it

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:18.120
<v Speaker 2>was inevitable that that would happen, so she really kind

0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 2>of built a wall around me to keep me young.

0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:21.920
<v Speaker 2>So I would go back to school and I would

0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:30.320
<v Speaker 2>be really kind of dorky and then also but famous,

0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 2>so weird, so awkward, so strange that kids didn't know

0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 2>how to talk to me. And to top it off,

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I had really bad I had a really bad overbite.

0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Legendary, legendary, iconic. Everybody wanted that.

0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:48.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, and so I had retainers and stuff. But

0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:50.800
<v Speaker 2>when we'd go on hiatus, i'd have braces and a

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.400
<v Speaker 2>neck gear, so I wore that to school. That didn't help.

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting the visual now.

0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, even to the point where like we wore uniforms,

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:06.440
<v Speaker 2>which is a great sort of evil. Schoolgirls wore ankle socks,

0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and my mom made me wear knee socks. So there

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I was in my knee socks, my skirt was extra long,

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 2>and my neck gear, and I was awkward and famous,

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.760
<v Speaker 2>so no one knew what the heck to do with me.

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:26.280
<v Speaker 1>God, I love this teenage little preteen Melissa so.

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Much angsty squid. I was just an angsty I would

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.280
<v Speaker 2>slay on the floor in my room with my stereo

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 2>on and my headphones and listen to janis Ian's at

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:36.919
<v Speaker 2>seventeen over and over.

0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:38.720
<v Speaker 1>And did you have siblings?

0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 2>I do have a brother and a sister, and I've

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.120
<v Speaker 2>had step brothers and stepsisters. Lot.

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:45.240
<v Speaker 1>What's your birth order?

0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm first, You're the first, You're the oldest. First. My

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 2>brother Jonathan, who was also in little house with me,

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 2>is second, and my sister Sarah, the mini mogul in

0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 2>the family, is the youngest.

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.960
<v Speaker 1>So I'm asking because for my daughter is my oldest.

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Very similar story to you, the neck, the headgear and

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the socks and just the sweet innocence, but complete like dorkiness.

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>What about Sarah?

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Since Sarah was Oh? I was eleven when Sarah was born,

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 2>so I was basically like another little mother. I had

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:26.879
<v Speaker 2>them put her nursery next to my room. I was

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 2>so excited to have a baby sister. I would come

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 2>home from work and feed her and change her and

0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 2>dress her and play with her. And she was she

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.719
<v Speaker 2>She was the darling of the family. She was also

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.119
<v Speaker 2>a really tough kid, because she was really really smart.

0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:49.359
<v Speaker 2>She's still obviously she's genius, but even when she was little,

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.359
<v Speaker 2>she was a lot to deal with. She was fun

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 2>and funny and wide killed and wicked and curious and

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:05.200
<v Speaker 2>little bit zany, so having her around was really really fun.

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.920
<v Speaker 2>She grew up in a completely different household than I did, though,

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 2>because there's a so many years between us. But there

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.400
<v Speaker 2>was like a changing of the guard. My parents got

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>divorced when I was six, My father cast away. My

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:23.440
<v Speaker 2>mother remarried my sister's dad, and they were She was

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:24.879
<v Speaker 2>a different parent with my sister.

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's what's happened in my family too. And like

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 1>they say, you've raised the Fiona, the youngest one, so

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>differently than you raised me. I hear that, and I'm like, ooh,

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 1>well yeah.

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Probably yeah, And i get it now that I have kids,

0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 2>and they'll get it when they have kids.

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 2>When I when I was a girl, I wasn't allowed

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to have a television in my room. I didn't get

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.919
<v Speaker 2>the television in my room till I was sixteen. And

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 2>when I got the television in my room, everybody else

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 2>got televisions in their room too. They didn't have to

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>wait till they were sixteen. Yeah, just because my parents

0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to hear I don't have one too. You know,

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 2>it was just easier to give everyone a television.

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 1>But did you ever go through that resentful stage where

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you were like, this sucks. I had to jump through

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:12.360
<v Speaker 1>all these hoops and be you know, not get all

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:16.360
<v Speaker 1>the things, and you just come here and get everything. Yeah?

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean no, resentful of my siblings so much

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and your parents, Yeah, just mad at them because it

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:27.880
<v Speaker 2>seemed just wildly unfair. But yeah, I get it now,

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 2>and I you know, I mean, look, these things are

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the least of my issues at this point.

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 1>That's so true in your book Prairie Tale, you said,

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>no matter how many people told me I was pretty,

0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't see it. I kept measuring myself against

0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>some imaginary ideal I could never live up to. Where

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>do you think that ideal came from?

0:26:56.800 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Actually, I come from a family of extremely glamorous women.

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 2>They're like gbore level glamorous. And I think that's true

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 2>for them too. I think they were always there was

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>always someone prettier, thinner, taller, blonder, or successful, better, better husband, whatever.

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 2>There was always sort of I think I probably absorbed

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 2>a bit of that by osmosis, and I think it

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>was compounded by the sort of knock kneat, neckgear, face

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 2>back to kind of girlishness, which isn't actually now a

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 2>strength of mine because she's still in there and it's

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.360
<v Speaker 2>one years old. To have that come out and just

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 2>help me to you know, play with the grandchildren or

0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:55.679
<v Speaker 2>be completely goofy or open in a performance because I

0:27:55.720 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 2>have no fear anymore. I think it has served me.

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 2>But I think a lot of that I saw in

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the adults around me. And then on top of it,

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm on set with all of these people

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 2>who are in their adults, who are competing with one

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>another and being pitted against and up for the same

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 2>roles and hearing about who got what that they wanted

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't get. So it was sort of endemic

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 2>and all around me.

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:27.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can totally relate. Yeah, it's I think the

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>industry really kind of does a number on people who

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.400
<v Speaker 1>absorb that messaging.

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>It's a problem, and you know, actually it's sort of

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so part and parcel to to all

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>of the external stuff. It's now permeated everything. Like I

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>think I even talked in that book, and I've talked

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>in my other books, and I blogged about this too.

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>But you know, we do a lot of cross country driving,

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and it never ceases to amaze me when you're driving

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 2>on highways through rural Iowa. Fast food restaurant adds billboards,

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 2>fast food restaurant, fast food restaurant, freeze the fat, liposuction BBL,

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>fast food.

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's bombarded. The young girls today are just bombarded

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 1>with with.

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 2>The images of the surgically enhanced fixed. I mean, good

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>on them that they can do it, but that that's

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 2>the ideal really really makes me nervous for my granddaughters.

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 2>And I'm you know, I'm I. I hope that I'll

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 2>be able to influent when them enough to say, you know,

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>that's actually not real, that's not the fix you're looking for.

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to be an influencer. Let's just let's

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 2>let's center site a little higher daughter.

0:29:54.320 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, it's it's challenging. Yes, I'm sure, how did

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you begin to choose yourself with all of that? And

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>how did you begin to love the way you look?

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>It probably really hit me right about like after my

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 2>divorce from Bruce box lightner. I was sort of at

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 2>peak filler Botox, big boobs. It was. I was like

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>at the apex of that. And I looked at myself

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>in the mirror one day or no, no, no, I

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>looked at a picture of myself. It was a paparazzi

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>photo from some event, and it startled me and I thought,

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's not who I am or who

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be. And so I made a decision

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 2>to kind of back off all of that, to see

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:57.200
<v Speaker 2>what was underneath it and to figure out who I was.

0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.239
<v Speaker 2>And then I met Tim while after that, and I

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 2>started expressing this to him, and he was like, all

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 2>for it. Please don't do that. Please don't put anything

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 2>in your face. First of all, I can't tell how

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 2>you're feeling. Second of all, you don't look like you.

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.400
<v Speaker 2>And then when I went to him and I said,

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 2>I I really want to take out my breast implants permanently.

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to go. I want I don't want them anymore.

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have to think about them. I

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>don't want to have to, you know, make a decision

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in my eighties to have them replaced. I just want

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.600
<v Speaker 2>it done. I want my body back to what it was.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 2>I want to feel strong and healthy as I age now.

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 2>And his immediate reaction was do it, Let's do it,

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Let's find the best surgeon in Michigan. Let's get it done.

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 2>And we did, and so that's just really enforced. That's

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>then I stopped coloring my hair, and then I stopped

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 2>dressing for other people and dressing for myself and really

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>figuring out, you know, who this person was that I was.

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I knew why I was on the inside. I wanted

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the outside to match.

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 1>That is so inspiring and incredible.

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, bless you, Thank you so much. I feel I

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>feel good, you know. I still I take really good

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 2>care of myself.

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>I eat. Yeah, I was gonna say, you're You're always

0:32:22.720 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 1>going to be gorgeous until the end of time. That's sweet,

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, what do you do now to take care

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>of yourself and stay healthy and vibrant.

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I do a lot of yoga. It's my favorite exercise.

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I think at this age too, it's really helpful for

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, osteoporosis and the flexibility is important. I drink

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of water. I take really good care of

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 2>my skin, wear sunscreen, which I always have, my whole

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>life anyway. I eat as well as to be expected.

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 2>I try to eat as cleanly as possible, but I

0:32:57.720 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>don't deny myself. If I want to have a shark

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Heuteri plate, I have a sharkutery plate. If I want

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 2>a big bolo pasta, I have a big bolo pasta.

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I just don't do it all the time. I get

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of sleep, and I stay away from things

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 2>that make me uncomfortable and unhappy as much.

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 1>As p Yeah, you gotta hang out with joy that

0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>makes you look good.

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>It really does. It changes your whole being being happy,

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>it really does.

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>And you're sobriety. You you're you've been sober for a

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>long time.

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>A wild and very very focused on being present too,

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, not numbing out to the things that are

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>around me and not feeling feelings, which is sometimes not

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 2>very fun but important to get through the other side.

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise they well up and come out at the wrong

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>time and the wrong way. And I don't want to

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>do that anymore either. So I just hear a little

0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, you are it is, that's what happens.

0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hopefully, thank god.

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm like, thank you for just making me a

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>more present, more joyful person as I've gotten older, because

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I was not you know, I didn't know who I

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:21.280
<v Speaker 1>was for so so long.

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I get it, I really, and that the feeling of inadequacy,

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 2>and you know that it's hard. It's really so much pressure, so.

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Much pressure, and I guess we do it to ourselves, but.

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.000
<v Speaker 2>We're expected to. I mean if everybody else is too.

0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I know, how do you? Yeah, it's it takes a

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of bravery to pave your own road, it really does.

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 1>And I love seeing people out there that are doing that.

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>I love you know. I've talked to a lot of women,

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of women are at least cutting back

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>on alcohol or have stopped drinking it. I stopped drinking

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>alcohol a couple of years ago.

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:09.919
<v Speaker 2>Now, fantastic.

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel so much better for it. Yeah, not just

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like you know, physically, but emotionally and mentally different person.

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well you know that that that that guilt, I mean,

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>there's no other way to there's no other word for

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it is gone of you know, and and then not

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.280
<v Speaker 2>remembering what happened or what you said, or then remembering

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>what you did or what you said, and it's you know,

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.680
<v Speaker 2>not who you are. It's just if we want to

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>be authentically who we are, we can't. We can't. Is

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.800
<v Speaker 2>that take us away from that and we lose your everything,

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 2>your spiritual connection, your grounded in connection to yourself.

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever have like moments of weakning? Is like,

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 1>how do you keep yourself on the path?

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, it's been such a long time. I think staying

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 2>saying present in the moment and really honestly avoiding really

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable situations. And when I see uncomfortable situations, the ones

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>that make me make my skin crawl, I I like

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 2>what like what like? I'm not really great at a

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 2>big Hollywood to do. I never know.

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't like them.

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't do them unless I was really altered. Yes,

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I just I get embarrassed. I'm also a really big fan.

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I love films and television and theater, and so when

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I am in a room full of people I admire,

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:50.800
<v Speaker 2>I get like scared and nervous and shy and uncomfortable.

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I always assume no one's gonna know me or remember me,

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 2>and I just I don't. I don't like getting all

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 2>dressed up. I don't. It's I don't. It's like the

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>height of that whole competitive thing too. Yeah, and stand

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>a certain way and the expectations are all there. I

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 2>just those are the things that I would prefer to

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 2>avoid if I. If I do go to anything, I

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:19.879
<v Speaker 2>won't go alone. I'll always go with Tim because he'll

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 2>make me laugh all the time and that makes me

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 2>feel so much more comfortable. Yeah. So the things like that,

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that that, that's the kind of stuff that I don't

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>like really.

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because then you just get so anxious and so

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of out of body that you're like, oh, I

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 1>wish I could just have a drink, like.

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Watching every word that I say because I'm afraid I'm

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 2>gonna say something dumb. So I just I'd rather just

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 2>avoid those things if I can. I mean, I'll go.

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Way off to But yeah, I wasn't born for this.

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>No me, neither me neither. It's again, and it's more

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 2>of that tiny talk. It's all those irrelevant, little snippets

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>of conversation with people you don't really know that don't

0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>change anything or do anything. They used to tell us

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 2>to go to those things because networking was important.

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>He'll tell us that.

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 2>It's not true. It doesn't make a difference. No, one's

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.359
<v Speaker 2>going to see you at his screening and go, ah,

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put her in my next film.

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 1>You really believe that, Okay, because I've always been told

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>that I don't network. I don't, you know, put myself

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 1>out there. I literally stay home in garden all the time.

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>And I've always felt guilty or somehow like why am I?

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Why can't I do that? I must be a failure

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 1>at this like and amazing feel better to know that

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 1>you feel that way too.

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I just don't. I just I honestly, I

0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>believe that if some wonderful job is meant to happen,

0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>it's going to come. Whether I'm on a red carpet

0:38:58.239 --> 0:38:58.440
<v Speaker 2>or not.

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>That's true. If it's meant to be, it will happen.

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:03.959
<v Speaker 2>If it's meant to be, it's going to happen. There's

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>no need to to pursue it in that way. It

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>just makes me just talking eives.

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll stop talking about it because I don't want

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it either. Okay, before I let you go,

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Melissa Gilbert, what was your last I Choose me moments?

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 2>My last I Choose me moment. It's kind of a

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 2>daily thing. I I I have a bubble bath every

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 2>day and that's where I read whatever book i'm reading.

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I sit in the bath, I turn on music, I

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 2>close the door. One dog lays next to me. The

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 2>other dog is not allowed in because she's too splashy

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 2>and loud. The quiet dog lays in there in the

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 2>bathroom with me. I close the door. Sometimes I have tea,

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 2>usually water, and I sit in the bubble bath and

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I read every day.

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>That is glorious. Such a simple thing. But it's really so.

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Simple, but it's so decompressing, and it gets me out

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 2>of my head and it gets me in my imagination,

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>and it's relaxing and constructive, and it feels pampering.

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:26.839
<v Speaker 1>It really does, because the upkeep is real, like.

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, things are following the more. Sometimes I feel like,

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:37.280
<v Speaker 2>like Moleihan and Nervel, stream and death become like its

0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 2>flaking and falling off. That is important.

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Baths are important, and the moisturizer after them always important.

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 2>But moisturizer and sunscreen become your two best friends as

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 2>you ag Yeah, I.

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.879
<v Speaker 1>Read somewhere that someone said reading twenty minutes a day

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>can lower your blood pressure, lower your risk of heart disease.

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 1>All kinds of things. Well, there you go, there you go.

0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 2>I'll take it.

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for being on the podcast.

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, bye bye,