1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi, everyone, 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: the choices we make, and today I'm sitting down with 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: someone who has made a lifetime of powerful choices, both 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: in front of the camera and far beyond it. If 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: you grew up watching Little House on the Prairie, like 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: I did, you already know the impact Melissa Gilbert has 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: had on generations of women. But today I have the 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: privilege to talk with the real woman behind Laura Ingalls, 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: who was and is such a role model for me, 11 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: both as a young actor and now as a businesswoman 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: and industry leader. Trust me, she is a powerhouse. Melissa. 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm so excited that you are here. Why is Okay? 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: First of all, I understand that you have or may 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: have had a rooster named Fauci. 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: We did, We got we got our first batch of 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: chickens and our rooster who we named Fauci in twenty twenty. 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: Okay, and yeah, that is so crazy. I have to 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: show you a picture. I have a dog named Fauci. 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Here's to see how much he like doctor Fauci. 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: I do see that, Yes, I do see that. 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Pandemic. Here's here's another angle. Oh my god. 23 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, even more so. 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: That one's almost better. 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: So good. 26 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if I named him because it was 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 1: the pandemic and all I was hearing was doctor Fauji 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: Faudi Fauchi Bauchi. But I really one day just looked 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: into my dog's eyes and thought, oh my god, you 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: look like Fauci and that's his name. Now do you 31 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: think he ever expected to be having pets named after him? 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: I don't you know what I would imagine compared to 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: the other things that have been after him. 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: That good point. Good point. Okay, So obviously, since you 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: have chickens, you are out of LA. I'm so jealous. 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: What was the decision for you to get the heck 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: out of Dodge? How did you come to choose that 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: big change in your life? 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? I left LA quite a while ago when I 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: married my husband, Tim Bussfield. When we met, he was 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: he had moved back to his home state of Michigan, 42 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 2: and so when we met, that's where he was living. 43 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: And when he told me that, I said, that's great. 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: Please get me out of LA. 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: Oh nice. 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to go somewhere I can age, and that. 47 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: So pathetic that we have to move from our homeland. 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: I know, to eight Justine. So we moved to Michigan. 49 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: We were there for five years and it was amazing. 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: It was so different and peaceful and grounding, and you know, 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 2: the beginning of a marriage to have that time together. 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: And our kids are grown, so we only had one 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: at home still just for a little while. So it 54 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: was a really great kind of honeymoon period. But it 55 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: was also a really great time for me to really 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: kind of land into my own skin. We were there 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: for those five years, and when those five years were up, 58 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: you know, we started doing this thing where we would say, 59 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: what do you want to do this weekend? Let's go 60 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: to New York. Where do you want to where do 61 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: you want to go have dinner? Somewhere in New York 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 2: And so we started leaning towards New York again. And 63 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: we went to New York City and had rented them 64 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: like an Airbnb, a Verbo for a month or so 65 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: just to kind of feel things out. And I got 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: a play oh yeah, which was really really fun. And 67 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: so we made the decision to move to New York. 68 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: So when we moved to the city, the first thing 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: we said is we need air and space. We started 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: looking for property in the Catskills and we found where 71 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: I am now this what was a kind of beaten 72 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: down old hunting cabin, seasonal, no heat. It was so 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: bad that when we would leave the place, we would 74 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: have to drain the water out so the pipes wouldn't explode. 75 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: And we renovated, as you could see. We put in heat, 76 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: we insulated, we put in new plumbing, and it was 77 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: ready for us to enjoy in December of twenty nineteen. 78 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 2: So on March thirteenth, twenty twenty, when everyone locked down, 79 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: we came up here and everything flipped and this became 80 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: home nice and this scene is now the place we 81 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: go for theater, doctors and sushi, basically perfect. 82 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: They have a lot of all of those. 83 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: Things, Yes they do. They have quite a few. And 84 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: you know, since we've been up here, now we've now 85 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: bought the land next door. So now we have forty acres. 86 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 87 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're starting to develop that. We have our second 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: batch of chickens. We have a lot of wildlife up here. 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: We lost we had a terrible incident with a raccoon 90 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 2: a few weeks ago, so. 91 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,119 Speaker 1: I think I heard about on your Instagram. I feel 92 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: your pain. They just come in and kill things, rip 93 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: them apart, and leave them. 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually had one do that in my house, 95 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: my last house in La in Tarzana, in the flats 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: at dusk while I was in the ark, jumped the fence, 97 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: killed one of my dogs in front of me, and left. 98 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: Oh it was horrible. 99 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: They're they're they're so cute, but they're so awful. 100 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: They're just jerk. 101 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: They're just little demons, they really are. We have we 102 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: have bad experiences with raccoons people. 103 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, I know. Yeah, And I worked with one 104 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: on little house when I was a kid, and I 105 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: loved that one. But that was a trained hand fed 106 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: oh baby raccoon. 107 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that little, trained handfeld baby could ever 108 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: turn on you and just like lash out? 109 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: Oh sure, I mean they're wild any wild animal, they're 110 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 2: wild animals. I I just I can't imagine that, you know, 111 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 2: they don't want to do that. So consequently, now I'm 112 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: I have five chicks in the living room in a 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: bruder that I'm andrewising. Now, So that's that's what. 114 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: You are living my dream life. I just want to 115 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: say that you've gotten out of LA you're living with 116 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: your third husband. High I'm my third husband, and it 117 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: sounds like your life is amazing. 118 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:24,559 Speaker 2: But it's great. 119 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: The animals and the nature. I'm really jealous, but I'm happy, 120 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: but I'm jealous. 121 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: Thank you. It's really magical up here, and I have there. 122 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: There are a couple of deer that come around every 123 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: day that come for apples, and they've been visiting now 124 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: for a year. And then I had one. I had 125 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: a third one that had been visiting that just came 126 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: back with a baby. And we've got gorgeous breath taking 127 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: eagles up here and all kinds of fun things like. 128 00:06:54,160 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: Bigs, bears, Oh my, oh my, no, why in deepa 129 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: I have? I have a question to ask you then, 130 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: because you sound like mother nature herself what I have. 131 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: Yesterday I was watering my roses and I saw a 132 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: deer that had been there the day before, and she 133 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: just stands there and like watches guard. So I thought, okay, 134 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: that's a mommy and she's watching guard from the coyotes 135 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: so if they don't get her baby. Then I saw 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: her kind of go into this brushy area and then 137 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: she came out with a baby, a tiny little fawn 138 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: with the dots on it. Still it was barely walking, 139 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: and Melissa, I was so happy. But then my happiness 140 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: crashed because I noticed that the baby had a broken leg. 141 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: It has a broken leg. It couldn't it couldn't keep 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: up with her, and she would go far ahead, and 143 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: he would try and try, and finally he was like 144 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: hobbling and he kept following her. But if I see 145 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: them again, should I take that baby deer to the vet? 146 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: It's very very hard. I learned this because I've I 147 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: actually picked a deer up off the road, a fawn 148 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: off the road that had been hit by a car, 149 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: and it didn't survive. But they they're very very delicate, 150 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: and any kind of trauma they have, they have sort 151 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: of an instinctive reaction where their bodies just start to 152 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: shut down. So capturing the baby deer might even be 153 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: more traumatic. I would what, I there are deer people 154 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: all around, they're deer rescues. I'm there all over La too, 155 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: and L like. 156 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: This is sounds like a better idea than me trying 157 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: to scale the mountain to save the deep baby deer. 158 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: I would call a specifically a deer rescue and explain 159 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: what's going on because that baby, the mom's probably going 160 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: to reject it at some point and it's going to 161 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: eat formula, milk care hydration. They're just they're really fragile. 162 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to do that right after this podcast. 163 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for your advice. Well, let's talk about relationships 164 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: for a second. Like you said, you're married to Timothy Busfield. 165 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: He's your third husband. He was in obviously Everybody, he 166 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: was in thirty something, West Wing just a name too. 167 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: This guy has worked forever. What a great actor. 168 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 169 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: Really, and you've talked about marriage. I love when I 170 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: have somebody on my podcast that, you know, I find 171 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: these synchronicities with in our lives, even though we've never 172 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: really hung out and we've never really known each other. 173 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: I know. It's so cool because you said that he 174 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: is your healing and stabilizing chapter. 175 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. There's there's a groundedness to this marriage 176 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: of ours and a comfort level. And I think it's 177 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: part and parcel of the fact that it's a partnership 178 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: that we do everything with the other one in mind, 179 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: and we are very considerate of one another extreamly. We 180 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 2: respect each other immensely, and so there are no decisions 181 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: that are made singularly. Everything is discussed shared, and there's 182 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 2: so much comfort in that, and it's so much gentler 183 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: and easier. And he is just a really spiritual, grounded, 184 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: easygoing guy. I mean, you know, we all have our moments, 185 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: but there's so few and far between with both of us. 186 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Even our arguments are constructive. Okay, good, Yeah, which is 187 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: new for me. You know, arguing for me was for 188 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: a long large part of my life something to be 189 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: afraid of and then something that I did really badly. 190 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: Once I found my voice, I picked too many fights 191 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: just to have them. And and now our arguments are 192 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: are I mean, when we have them, they're you know, 193 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: they can get they can get really heated, but we 194 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: usually end up laugh and then sitting down and talking 195 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: it through and it never lasts for more than a 196 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: couple hours. Max. 197 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: What did you guys meet? 198 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: Well, we actually first met many many, many many years 199 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: ago in the eighties, and then we re met in 200 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: the nineties and then now we've been together for thirtyteen years. 201 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Wow, that's incredible. Congrats, Wow. 202 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: Thanks. 203 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that each of your marriages was made 204 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: for the moment that you are that you were in. 205 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: No, yeah, absolutely, I think it fit with who I 206 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: was at that time and with whatever was going on 207 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: in my own Not to get too cycling, but healing 208 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: journey from you know, the trauma of the family of 209 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: origin stuff in childhood. And you know, as as time 210 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: has gone by, I think I've I've become just more healed, 211 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: which it's more grounded and a lot less dysfunctional. Maybe. 212 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm always going to be a banana. 213 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: I mean that's just there's no there's no why. I 214 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: love you. 215 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the best banana spirit ever. 216 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: I'm a carneie. You know, we we've grown up in 217 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: this business. I've grown up in it, my multi generational 218 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: family has, and so you know, I will jump to 219 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: jazz hands given any opportunity. But I've learned how to 220 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: set boundaries. I've learned how to hold those boundaries, and 221 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: I've learned the most important thing, I think, and it's 222 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: come later in life, is real patience. 223 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: It seems like we learned so much in after our fifties. 224 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think that's that's valid, and I think 225 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 2: that it's a really important time, especially for women. Because 226 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: all of that other stuff is sort of out of 227 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: the way. Our bodies are. Yeah, they're doing things, but 228 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: they're not doing the same thing that drive to work 229 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: or have kids and the hormones and that that sort 230 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: of push is gone, at least for me. There's a 231 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: there's a more of a relaxedness and more of an ease. 232 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: And uh, it takes a lot to ruffle me these 233 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: days too. You know, I just don't. I don't. I 234 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: don't give up. It's as I was gonna say, fuck, 235 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: I fully. 236 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: Fully feel you you know what I mean, Like I 237 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in arguing. I'm not interested in wasting 238 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: any of more of my precious time doing things that 239 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: don't make me happy or make people around me happy exactly. 240 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: You know, there's some validity to the Marie condo and 241 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: sparking joy. If it doesn't spark joy for anybody, then 242 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: there's no point. There's no and tiny talk and going 243 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: to things you don't want to go to if you 244 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: don't have to, doing things you don't want to do 245 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: if you don't have to. You know, this is the 246 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: last third of our lives, and I think we have 247 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: earned the right to live at the way we choose to. 248 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: We've earned the right to our opinions and our ideas, 249 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: and that deserves some respect. Just the fact that we're here, productive, vital, 250 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: vibrant women. 251 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean sometimes I'll look at myself and the 252 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: maryor and I'll think, wow, you did it. You kept 253 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: yourself alive, and you kept three little kids alive. You're 254 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: doing all right. 255 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. And then when the grandkids come. 256 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Wait, that's how many grand kids you have? 257 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: We have nine? 258 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a lot. 259 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: Well, we have a lot of kids all together. We 260 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: have seven. I have four boys, and Tim has two 261 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 2: boys and a girl whoa. And then one of our 262 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: boys married a woman who already had three grown boys, 263 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: so those became like big boys. And then there's all 264 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: the littles. I mean, the littlest one is just over 265 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: a year, probably closer to exteen months of yea, yeah, me, oh, 266 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: they are they are. I I can't wait. It's so 267 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: great to have little people like that around. And I've 268 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: made it very clear to all of the kids that 269 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: my job is to say yes, so don't expect me 270 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: to ever say no. Nana does not say no. I 271 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: say to everything Nanna. That's Nana. 272 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: That's so cute. I can't wait to be a nana. 273 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: It's really good. It's really good. Actually, they've all the 274 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: kids kind of call me different things. Nana is one 275 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: chunk of the kids, and then the other there's another 276 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: whole section of them that call me Granny Mel. 277 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: Granny Mel, Nana and Granny. Those are winners. 278 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: It's so good, so good. 279 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: You and I both had our earliest relationships in the spotlight. It's, 280 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, hard enough to navigate a relationship when you're 281 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: young like that without Hollywood, but you were with Robblo, 282 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: who they were both on a path to fame and celebrity. 283 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: Talk to me about that and what you learned about 284 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: yourself through that. 285 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: I guess looking back on that those six years, I mean, 286 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: I was such a baby when Rob and I were together. 287 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: We're six seventeen, right. 288 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: Seventeen, and we broke up for the last time when 289 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: we were twenty three, and it was very tumultuous, you know, 290 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: it was. There was a lot of I felt like 291 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: a bit of an old stage in the business at 292 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: that point because I'd been doing it for so long 293 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: and I was still on the little house on the 294 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: Prairie when we met, and it had already you know, 295 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 2: had been years and he was sort of starting out. 296 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: He'd done a little bit of television, and so I 297 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 2: was able to sort of sit back and watch this 298 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: meteoric rise happen. I don't think I think I was 299 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: prepared for the stuff they came with it. Necessarily. I 300 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: was prepared for all of the like having to go 301 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: to premieres and things and award shows and all of that, 302 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: but I wasn't prepared for the fandom and frankly, the 303 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: girls and that sort of you know. To me, I 304 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: always thought that every every girl and woman was my sister. 305 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: We were sisters, we you know, but it was not 306 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: evident at all when when I were a couple. I mean, 307 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: it was like I didn't exist. They just pushed right 308 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: past me and stick phone numbers in his pockets and stuff. 309 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: And that was to say. It was disconcerting. Is doing 310 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: it doing it a big disservice? It was and horrible. 311 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: I think I learned a lot about what didn't work 312 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: for me actually, and what I wouldn't stand for later on. 313 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: Those are some of the most valuable lessons. 314 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they hurt their heart to learn because they 315 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: usually are born of heartbreak and angst. But those are 316 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: really valuable and important lessons. And yeah, that it was. 317 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: You know, we had some really, really really fun times. 318 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: But in looking back, I look at the way my 319 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 2: life is so easeful now, I look at it back then, 320 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 2: and I feel like I was like my shoulders were 321 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 2: always up by my ears, always waiting for the next 322 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: shoe to drop, or something bad to happen, or some 323 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, something untoward or gross or. 324 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, do you feel like because you said you 325 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: started out thinking all women were your sisters? And yeah, 326 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't know that I started out that way, just 327 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: as I started acting young too, and I was thrust 328 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: into this competitive, you know, dog eat dog world where 329 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: it's every man for himself, man woman child for themselves. 330 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 331 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: Do you think that the industry had you feeling like 332 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: that or for other reasons too, or was it. 333 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: Just I think I was just I was a bit 334 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: of a gidget. I always assumed everyone would be my friend. 335 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 2: Why not I want to be their friends? Why not 336 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: be my friend? I didn't understand professional jealousy because I 337 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: didn't really feel it. But I was definitely on the 338 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 2: receiving end of it from other young actresses and other 339 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 2: young actresses I was working with, and it I was 340 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: taken aback by it, and I you know, I was 341 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: a bit of a puppy about it. I would still 342 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: come running up, you know, like you want to play. 343 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: I want to play, and then get smacked back. It 344 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: didn't really stop me until I think I hit puberty 345 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm not going to play anymore. 346 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: I don't. I should clear this person does not want 347 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: to hang out with me. And I've got friends, I've 348 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: got a life. I don't need this doing her loss. Yep. 349 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: But I always gave everyone the benefit of the doubt. Start. 350 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: That's good. 351 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, got hurt a lot, but I made some really 352 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: wonderful friends along with still friends today. 353 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: So that's that's good. That's incredible. Yeah, you didn't go 354 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: to high school, You didn't go to regular Well, I 355 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: was sort of. 356 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 2: I mean I went to school on the set, but 357 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: I actually I went to the Buckley Oh really Yeah. 358 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: From my whole school career, as they call it, from 359 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: the grade they have called reading readiness, which is like 360 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: their version of kindergarten, all the way through my senior 361 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: year and then when I eventually, I mean I would 362 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: do commercials and stuff as a little kid, and then 363 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: when I got little house, I just corresponded the same 364 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: assignments and work. And then when we were on Hyapa, 365 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: if I wasn't working, which was the first couple of years, 366 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: I would go back to school for three months, three 367 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: four months. 368 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: How was it when you went back to school? Oh? 369 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: It was odd. I mean, it wasn't bad when I 370 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: was little because most of the kids in my class 371 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: had been in my class since yes, yeah, kindergarten essentially, 372 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: and so we all knew each other. We'd all had 373 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 2: birthdays together, we all grew up together. It wasn't until 374 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: junior high and high school that it got kind of 375 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: uncomfortable because I was this weird combination too, of really 376 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: awkward because I was super sheltered. So rather than like 377 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: most a lot or a lot I should say, of 378 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: Hollywood kids who grew up really fast, I was the opposite. 379 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 2: I was still wearing Mary James when I was seventeen. 380 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: Do you think that's because you were sheltered being so 381 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: young in the industry and being on sets and just 382 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: kind of people reading you a certain way. 383 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: I think that and I think it was a conscious 384 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 2: decision on my mother's part to shield me from as 385 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: much of the craziness as possible, because it was it 386 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 2: was inevitable that that would happen, so she really kind 387 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 2: of built a wall around me to keep me young. 388 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: So I would go back to school and I would 389 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: be really kind of dorky and then also but famous, 390 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: so weird, so awkward, so strange that kids didn't know 391 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: how to talk to me. And to top it off, 392 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: I had really bad I had a really bad overbite. 393 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: Legendary, legendary, iconic. Everybody wanted that. 394 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and so I had retainers and stuff. But 395 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: when we'd go on hiatus, i'd have braces and a 396 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: neck gear, so I wore that to school. That didn't help. 397 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting the visual now. 398 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 2: Right, even to the point where like we wore uniforms, 399 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: which is a great sort of evil. Schoolgirls wore ankle socks, 400 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: and my mom made me wear knee socks. So there 401 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: I was in my knee socks, my skirt was extra long, 402 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: and my neck gear, and I was awkward and famous, 403 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: so no one knew what the heck to do with me. 404 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: God, I love this teenage little preteen Melissa so. 405 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: Much angsty squid. I was just an angsty I would 406 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: slay on the floor in my room with my stereo 407 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: on and my headphones and listen to janis Ian's at 408 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 2: seventeen over and over. 409 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: And did you have siblings? 410 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: I do have a brother and a sister, and I've 411 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: had step brothers and stepsisters. Lot. 412 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: What's your birth order? 413 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 2: I'm first, You're the first, You're the oldest. First. My 414 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: brother Jonathan, who was also in little house with me, 415 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: is second, and my sister Sarah, the mini mogul in 416 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: the family, is the youngest. 417 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: So I'm asking because for my daughter is my oldest. 418 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: Very similar story to you, the neck, the headgear and 419 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: the socks and just the sweet innocence, but complete like dorkiness. 420 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: What about Sarah? 421 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: Since Sarah was Oh? I was eleven when Sarah was born, 422 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: so I was basically like another little mother. I had 423 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 2: them put her nursery next to my room. I was 424 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: so excited to have a baby sister. I would come 425 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: home from work and feed her and change her and 426 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: dress her and play with her. And she was she 427 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 2: She was the darling of the family. She was also 428 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: a really tough kid, because she was really really smart. 429 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: She's still obviously she's genius, but even when she was little, 430 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 2: she was a lot to deal with. She was fun 431 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: and funny and wide killed and wicked and curious and 432 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: little bit zany, so having her around was really really fun. 433 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: She grew up in a completely different household than I did, though, 434 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: because there's a so many years between us. But there 435 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 2: was like a changing of the guard. My parents got 436 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 2: divorced when I was six, My father cast away. My 437 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: mother remarried my sister's dad, and they were She was 438 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: a different parent with my sister. 439 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: Yep, that's what's happened in my family too. And like 440 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: they say, you've raised the Fiona, the youngest one, so 441 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: differently than you raised me. I hear that, and I'm like, ooh, 442 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: well yeah. 443 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: Probably yeah, And i get it now that I have kids, 444 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: and they'll get it when they have kids. 445 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: Yes. 446 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 2: When I when I was a girl, I wasn't allowed 447 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: to have a television in my room. I didn't get 448 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: the television in my room till I was sixteen. And 449 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: when I got the television in my room, everybody else 450 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: got televisions in their room too. They didn't have to 451 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: wait till they were sixteen. Yeah, just because my parents 452 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: didn't want to hear I don't have one too. You know, 453 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: it was just easier to give everyone a television. 454 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: But did you ever go through that resentful stage where 455 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: you were like, this sucks. I had to jump through 456 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: all these hoops and be you know, not get all 457 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: the things, and you just come here and get everything. Yeah? 458 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean no, resentful of my siblings so much 459 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: and your parents, Yeah, just mad at them because it 460 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 2: seemed just wildly unfair. But yeah, I get it now, 461 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 2: and I you know, I mean, look, these things are 462 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 2: the least of my issues at this point. 463 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: That's so true in your book Prairie Tale, you said, 464 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: no matter how many people told me I was pretty, 465 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: I just couldn't see it. I kept measuring myself against 466 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: some imaginary ideal I could never live up to. Where 467 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: do you think that ideal came from? 468 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 2: Actually, I come from a family of extremely glamorous women. 469 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 2: They're like gbore level glamorous. And I think that's true 470 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 2: for them too. I think they were always there was 471 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: always someone prettier, thinner, taller, blonder, or successful, better, better husband, whatever. 472 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 2: There was always sort of I think I probably absorbed 473 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 2: a bit of that by osmosis, and I think it 474 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: was compounded by the sort of knock kneat, neckgear, face 475 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: back to kind of girlishness, which isn't actually now a 476 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: strength of mine because she's still in there and it's 477 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 2: one years old. To have that come out and just 478 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: help me to you know, play with the grandchildren or 479 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 2: be completely goofy or open in a performance because I 480 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: have no fear anymore. I think it has served me. 481 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: But I think a lot of that I saw in 482 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 2: the adults around me. And then on top of it, 483 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 2: you know, I'm on set with all of these people 484 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: who are in their adults, who are competing with one 485 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: another and being pitted against and up for the same 486 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 2: roles and hearing about who got what that they wanted 487 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: and they didn't get. So it was sort of endemic 488 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: and all around me. 489 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can totally relate. Yeah, it's I think the 490 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: industry really kind of does a number on people who 491 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: absorb that messaging. 492 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 2: It's a problem, and you know, actually it's sort of 493 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's so part and parcel to to all 494 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: of the external stuff. It's now permeated everything. Like I 495 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: think I even talked in that book, and I've talked 496 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: in my other books, and I blogged about this too. 497 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: But you know, we do a lot of cross country driving, 498 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: and it never ceases to amaze me when you're driving 499 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: on highways through rural Iowa. Fast food restaurant adds billboards, 500 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: fast food restaurant, fast food restaurant, freeze the fat, liposuction BBL, 501 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: fast food. 502 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bombarded. The young girls today are just bombarded 503 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: with with. 504 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 2: The images of the surgically enhanced fixed. I mean, good 505 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: on them that they can do it, but that that's 506 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: the ideal really really makes me nervous for my granddaughters. 507 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: And I'm you know, I'm I. I hope that I'll 508 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: be able to influent when them enough to say, you know, 509 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: that's actually not real, that's not the fix you're looking for. 510 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: You don't want to be an influencer. Let's just let's 511 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: let's center site a little higher daughter. 512 00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's it's challenging. Yes, I'm sure, how did 513 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: you begin to choose yourself with all of that? And 514 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: how did you begin to love the way you look? 515 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: It probably really hit me right about like after my 516 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: divorce from Bruce box lightner. I was sort of at 517 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: peak filler Botox, big boobs. It was. I was like 518 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: at the apex of that. And I looked at myself 519 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: in the mirror one day or no, no, no, I 520 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: looked at a picture of myself. It was a paparazzi 521 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: photo from some event, and it startled me and I thought, 522 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's not who I am or who 523 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to be. And so I made a decision 524 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: to kind of back off all of that, to see 525 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: what was underneath it and to figure out who I was. 526 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,239 Speaker 2: And then I met Tim while after that, and I 527 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: started expressing this to him, and he was like, all 528 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: for it. Please don't do that. Please don't put anything 529 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: in your face. First of all, I can't tell how 530 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: you're feeling. Second of all, you don't look like you. 531 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: And then when I went to him and I said, 532 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: I I really want to take out my breast implants permanently. 533 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: I want to go. I want I don't want them anymore. 534 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to have to think about them. I 535 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 2: don't want to have to, you know, make a decision 536 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: in my eighties to have them replaced. I just want 537 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: it done. I want my body back to what it was. 538 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: I want to feel strong and healthy as I age now. 539 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 2: And his immediate reaction was do it, Let's do it, 540 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: Let's find the best surgeon in Michigan. Let's get it done. 541 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: And we did, and so that's just really enforced. That's 542 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 2: then I stopped coloring my hair, and then I stopped 543 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: dressing for other people and dressing for myself and really 544 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: figuring out, you know, who this person was that I was. 545 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: I knew why I was on the inside. I wanted 546 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 2: the outside to match. 547 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: That is so inspiring and incredible. 548 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: Oh, bless you, Thank you so much. I feel I 549 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: feel good, you know. I still I take really good 550 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: care of myself. 551 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: I eat. Yeah, I was gonna say, you're You're always 552 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: going to be gorgeous until the end of time. That's sweet, 553 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, what do you do now to take care 554 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: of yourself and stay healthy and vibrant. 555 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: I do a lot of yoga. It's my favorite exercise. 556 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: I think at this age too, it's really helpful for 557 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: you know, osteoporosis and the flexibility is important. I drink 558 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: a lot of water. I take really good care of 559 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: my skin, wear sunscreen, which I always have, my whole 560 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: life anyway. I eat as well as to be expected. 561 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: I try to eat as cleanly as possible, but I 562 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 2: don't deny myself. If I want to have a shark 563 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 2: Heuteri plate, I have a sharkutery plate. If I want 564 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 2: a big bolo pasta, I have a big bolo pasta. 565 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: I just don't do it all the time. I get 566 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: a lot of sleep, and I stay away from things 567 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: that make me uncomfortable and unhappy as much. 568 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: As p Yeah, you gotta hang out with joy that 569 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: makes you look good. 570 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: It really does. It changes your whole being being happy, 571 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: it really does. 572 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: And you're sobriety. You you're you've been sober for a 573 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: long time. 574 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 2: A wild and very very focused on being present too, 575 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 2: you know, not numbing out to the things that are 576 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: around me and not feeling feelings, which is sometimes not 577 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: very fun but important to get through the other side. 578 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: Otherwise they well up and come out at the wrong 579 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: time and the wrong way. And I don't want to 580 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: do that anymore either. So I just hear a little 581 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. 582 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you are it is, that's what happens. 583 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully, thank god. 584 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, thank you for just making me a 585 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: more present, more joyful person as I've gotten older, because 586 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: I was not you know, I didn't know who I 587 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: was for so so long. 588 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 2: I get it, I really, and that the feeling of inadequacy, 589 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: and you know that it's hard. It's really so much pressure, so. 590 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: Much pressure, and I guess we do it to ourselves, but. 591 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 2: We're expected to. I mean if everybody else is too. 592 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: I know, how do you? Yeah, it's it takes a 593 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: lot of bravery to pave your own road, it really does. 594 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: And I love seeing people out there that are doing that. 595 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: I love you know. I've talked to a lot of women, 596 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of women are at least cutting back 597 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: on alcohol or have stopped drinking it. I stopped drinking 598 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: alcohol a couple of years ago. 599 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 2: Now, fantastic. 600 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: I feel so much better for it. Yeah, not just 601 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: like you know, physically, but emotionally and mentally different person. 602 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well you know that that that that guilt, I mean, 603 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: there's no other way to there's no other word for 604 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: it is gone of you know, and and then not 605 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 2: remembering what happened or what you said, or then remembering 606 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 2: what you did or what you said, and it's you know, 607 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 2: not who you are. It's just if we want to 608 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 2: be authentically who we are, we can't. We can't. Is 609 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 2: that take us away from that and we lose your everything, 610 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: your spiritual connection, your grounded in connection to yourself. 611 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: Do you ever have like moments of weakning? Is like, 612 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: how do you keep yourself on the path? 613 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 2: Gosh, it's been such a long time. I think staying 614 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: saying present in the moment and really honestly avoiding really 615 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: uncomfortable situations. And when I see uncomfortable situations, the ones 616 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 2: that make me make my skin crawl, I I like 617 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 2: what like what like? I'm not really great at a 618 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 2: big Hollywood to do. I never know. 619 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't like them. 620 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: I couldn't do them unless I was really altered. Yes, 621 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 2: I just I get embarrassed. I'm also a really big fan. 622 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 2: I love films and television and theater, and so when 623 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 2: I am in a room full of people I admire, 624 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 2: I get like scared and nervous and shy and uncomfortable. 625 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: I always assume no one's gonna know me or remember me, 626 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 2: and I just I don't. I don't like getting all 627 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 2: dressed up. I don't. It's I don't. It's like the 628 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 2: height of that whole competitive thing too. Yeah, and stand 629 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 2: a certain way and the expectations are all there. I 630 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 2: just those are the things that I would prefer to 631 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 2: avoid if I. If I do go to anything, I 632 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 2: won't go alone. I'll always go with Tim because he'll 633 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 2: make me laugh all the time and that makes me 634 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: feel so much more comfortable. Yeah. So the things like that, 635 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 2: that that, that's the kind of stuff that I don't 636 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: like really. 637 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, because then you just get so anxious and so 638 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: kind of out of body that you're like, oh, I 639 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: wish I could just have a drink, like. 640 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 2: Watching every word that I say because I'm afraid I'm 641 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 2: gonna say something dumb. So I just I'd rather just 642 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 2: avoid those things if I can. I mean, I'll go. 643 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 1: Way off to But yeah, I wasn't born for this. 644 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 2: No me, neither me neither. It's again, and it's more 645 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 2: of that tiny talk. It's all those irrelevant, little snippets 646 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: of conversation with people you don't really know that don't 647 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: change anything or do anything. They used to tell us 648 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 2: to go to those things because networking was important. 649 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: He'll tell us that. 650 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 2: It's not true. It doesn't make a difference. No, one's 651 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 2: going to see you at his screening and go, ah, 652 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna put her in my next film. 653 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: You really believe that, Okay, because I've always been told 654 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: that I don't network. I don't, you know, put myself 655 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: out there. I literally stay home in garden all the time. 656 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: And I've always felt guilty or somehow like why am I? 657 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: Why can't I do that? I must be a failure 658 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: at this like and amazing feel better to know that 659 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: you feel that way too. 660 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just don't. I just I honestly, I 661 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: believe that if some wonderful job is meant to happen, 662 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 2: it's going to come. Whether I'm on a red carpet 663 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 2: or not. 664 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: That's true. If it's meant to be, it will happen. 665 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,959 Speaker 2: If it's meant to be, it's going to happen. There's 666 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 2: no need to to pursue it in that way. It 667 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: just makes me just talking eives. 668 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll stop talking about it because I don't want 669 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: to talk about it either. Okay, before I let you go, 670 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: Melissa Gilbert, what was your last I Choose me moments? 671 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 2: My last I Choose me moment. It's kind of a 672 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 2: daily thing. I I I have a bubble bath every 673 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 2: day and that's where I read whatever book i'm reading. 674 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: I sit in the bath, I turn on music, I 675 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 2: close the door. One dog lays next to me. The 676 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: other dog is not allowed in because she's too splashy 677 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 2: and loud. The quiet dog lays in there in the 678 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: bathroom with me. I close the door. Sometimes I have tea, 679 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 2: usually water, and I sit in the bubble bath and 680 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 2: I read every day. 681 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: That is glorious. Such a simple thing. But it's really so. 682 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 2: Simple, but it's so decompressing, and it gets me out 683 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 2: of my head and it gets me in my imagination, 684 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 2: and it's relaxing and constructive, and it feels pampering. 685 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: It really does, because the upkeep is real, like. 686 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, things are following the more. Sometimes I feel like, 687 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 2: like Moleihan and Nervel, stream and death become like its 688 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 2: flaking and falling off. That is important. 689 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: Baths are important, and the moisturizer after them always important. 690 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 2: But moisturizer and sunscreen become your two best friends as 691 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 2: you ag Yeah, I. 692 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 1: Read somewhere that someone said reading twenty minutes a day 693 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: can lower your blood pressure, lower your risk of heart disease. 694 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: All kinds of things. Well, there you go, there you go. 695 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 2: I'll take it. 696 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on the podcast. 697 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, bye bye,