WEBVTT - Episode 53: Tim Herron 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.119 The guys from Ping. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.880 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.000 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:06.600 kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.520 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.639 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.080 Hey, hey, everybody, welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast. 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:14.880 I'm Shane Bacon. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.479 Joined us always by Marty Jertsen. Marty, we got a 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.400 legend with us today, a living legend in the golf space. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:25.160 Tim Haren joining us and Tim were fired up to 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.000 have you a part of the podcast. I know you've 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:28.640 been a part of the Pink family for a long 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:33.680 long time. I wanted to start with family because you're 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:37.720 a guy that grew up in an extremely competitive golf family. 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.239 When did you start playing? When did you get introduced to. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:42.120 The golf to golf? 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:43.839 Do you know how old you were when when you 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.040 were kind of introduced initially to the game. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:48.320 Yeah, probably seven years old. 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.159 I'd go out and play like three holes of my 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.800 dad after he was done with work and right before dinner, 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.360 kind of run the dogs and stuff like that. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:58.840 So it was kind of always fun. 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:02.680 And then probably at ten I started catting for my 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:04.800 dad pretty cheap. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.600 I guess I was probably cheap labor for him. 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:12.760 So yeah, ten, probably fifteen, and then started working in 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:17.200 the golf business. I worked for a pro at a 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:21.640 club where my dad was actually at. So yeah, so 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:23.559 I've kind of always been around the game. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.440 Was your dad a pro player? What was his what's 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:27.119 his background? 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.760 He was a pro for he was a pro for 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:30.440 about a year. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.720 He was a life insurance salesman, so he could get 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:34.839 out and play a lot of golf. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.679 It's always so interesting to talk to people that have 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.800 these kind of golf families, like the Knies for instance, right, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.639 I mean these people that grew up, you know, around 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.720 the game, but growing up very competitively. I mean your 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.080 sister great player, I mean very very competitive, played a 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.880 whole bunch of great golf tournaments. I know, she won 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.360 a lot of big events in her day. You know, 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.280 you know, you talked about your dad being so involved 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.640 in golf, your granddad being so involved in golf. Once 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.000 you got into it, was it instantaneously competitive? 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.280 Was it one of those things. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.960 That right off the bat you went, oh my goodness, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.600 I got to play against these people that take the 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:09.760 game relatively seriously. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.720 Yeah, I think, well, my sister's younger than I am, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.760 but I don't know. I think I probably beat my 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.519 dad at like fourteen or fifteen, and then I kind 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.720 of I shot up and then. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.280 We're three four years apart. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.839 You know, my sister was good, and then I kind 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.480 of went to college and played national things, and she's 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.200 went in state amateurs and stayed opens and things like that. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:38.480 And then I caddied four in the midamter and that's 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.800 pretty much our only ustre event in the family. So she, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.560 you know, she gave me a trophy on that her 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.520 bib she framed. So that's what I got down above 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:49.919 the pool table. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.680 Tim my wife actually played golf Fort New Mexico and 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.320 Albuquerque on the golf team there. I want to know 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.840 how in the world you ended up there, ended up 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:00.760 making your way to Albuquerque. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.880 So I got a scholarship either at University of Minnesota, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:09.400 New Mexico or a SU, and AESU started eighty. 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.040 By the time I was going to sign it was ten. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.160 My dad says, now you're not going there, and I 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.040 wanted to go south. I just didn't know it snowed 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.600 more in Albuquerque than it was Minnesota, but it's gone 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.120 the next day, right, So I didn't know it was 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:26.120 like high desert, but it worked out great. I was 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.720 John Field's first recruit with actually Christian's brother. I was 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:36.440 Christian's brother's college roommate. And it's kind of how I 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:40.680 got there. I knew John threw a pro that taught 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.680 me how to play an assistant pro and John Field's 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.760 actually worked for him before he got the. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.520 New Mexico job. Yeah, that's kind of how I got 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:51.120 down there. Yeah. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.920 Christian kanea the head of our tour department from from 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.120 New Mexico. 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.880 Exactly like Blend, New Mexico. And Jason, his brother, was 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.920 my college roommate master here and there. 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.720 Yeah, so you guys were playing you and him South 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:07.600 was there at the time, and you guys that was 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:08.480 your home track. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.880 Yeah. Now my oldest son plays there. 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:12.600 Oh nice. Nice. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.280 Yeah, it was kind of during COVID. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.200 He didn't really have a place to go, so we 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.200 decided New Mexico is a good spot, and he's had 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.200 a pretty good college career down there. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.200 Mumpy, did you take a liking to the Mexican food 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:25.159 there in the green Chili? 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:25.680 Yeah? 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:30.000 I did, And when I go back and visit my son. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.400 I don't eat as much Mexican food. I eat the 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.560 green chili, so I'll put like green chili on a burger, yeah, 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.400 or like even a pizza, right, yep. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.919 But the actual Mexican food, that's a little tough on me. 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.640 Now, Shane, have you spent any time in Albuquerque eating 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.240 the food there? 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.440 So I I was gonna say, for people that don't 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.920 know about New Mexico, Mexican food way spicier than what 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.720 you're traditionally run into when you eat Mexican food anywhere 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.080 else in the country or beyond. I think that's one 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.440 of the really unique things about New Mexico. There's a 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.520 couple of restaurants, Marty and Phoenix most Os. I'm sure 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.800 you've been to it multiple times. You got to bring 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.679 a towel. You gotta dat the forehead as you're eating 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.440 through that stuff, because it is absolutely no joke. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.200 But yes, Tim, I totally understand. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.039 As we get a little bit older, I'm not sure 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:20.800 it's the Mexican food there that you want to be 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:25.000 taken down like midday when you got golf ahead of Yeah, so. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:30.960 Allball Richardson's have you been down and in Arizona, in Phoenix, 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.680 I have not been awesome. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.320 Now Richardson's a little New Mexican too, Okay, okay, well 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:36.680 that's good. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.839 I have to check it out. So you played college 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:40.960 golf in New Mexico. I mean, obviously you were an 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.479 extremely good amateur player and good junior player. When did 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.400 it flip from I'm good too, I've got potential to 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.520 really do this for a living. I've got potential to 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.760 make a Walker Cup team, things like that. When did 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.440 your game really kind of turn for what would become 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:56.960 your career? 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.440 Yeah, I mean I had potential my freshman year, became 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.320 honorable mentioned my sophomore year, and then first team All 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.920 American and my last two, and then I kind of 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.040 knew right there, college wise is good enough to turn 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.440 pro and give it a try. So, you know, I 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.800 missed out a first stage right out. And then I 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:23.839 came back and graduated and was assistant coach for a semester, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:29.360 and then I went out and played Australia, Canada Mini Tours, 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.000 did the whole thing, and. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:35.520 Got my Nike card, which is corn Fairy. 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:42.000 Yep in ninety five, and then in ninety six I 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.560 got my card and I won my seventh event on tour, 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:49.920 so it you know, I remember the Honda, the one 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.520 that I won that I was trying to do a 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.760 rain dance that all the rain would come in because 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.080 it was supposed to be nasty, and we played all 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.919 day in it. But what happened and was that I 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.760 played all day and I won the tournament. And I 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:08.320 think that kind of propelled knowing that I could stand 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.880 tour for quite a long time. Because I finished four rounds, 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:12.680 they didn't give it to me. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.200 Tim, I wanted to ask real quick before we get 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.440 into the pro stuff. I was looking at the Walker 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.480 Cup you played at a ninety three, and I didn't 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.680 realize that it was played in Minnesota. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:24.560 How special was it? 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.080 How big of a goal was it for you that 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.440 year to make that Walker Cup team? Considering where the 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.920 event was being hosted. I can only imagine for you 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.000 it was like a pinchbe moment to be wearing red, 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.960 white and blue, playing in the state that you basically 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:39.440 grew up in. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:40.840 Yeah it was. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.720 It was really awesome, but it was nerve wracking now 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:51.000 looking back. It was extremely just unbelievable experience and memories. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:51.280 Right. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.200 I remember Alan Doyle was a buddy of mine. I 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.600 remember asking him if he wanted to be partners and 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.600 he took. He took Justin Leonard and I was with 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:07.440 John Harris, who was actually another player from Minnesota. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.960 He won the US Amitur that year. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:14.360 And yeah, we actually defeated some English boys, so it 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:14.840 was good. 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.440 Do you remember who you played in that first singles match? 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:18.720 Do you remember who? 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:22.360 Who? You know? I played singles? I played Patty Harrington? 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:22.720 Beat him. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.720 I had a baby. You beat him one up, there 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:25.360 you go. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.680 The other two was Van and. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.720 Yep, yep, Van Van was the Van was the matchup. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:33.800 You won that one. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:35.880 You guys were running away with this thing, but you 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.040 won that three and two. So it was a good 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:39.720 It was a good Walker Cup for you as well. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:41.280 Great Walker Cup. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.679 I you mentioned, you know, your your your your playing 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.760 partners didn't want to hit all the woods. I was 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.439 going back and I looked at some of your early 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.880 PJ tour stats and you were way up there in 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.320 driving distance. I wasn't aware of that. You know, you 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.960 were in the top five, top ten and driving distance. Yeah, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.120 you know, and back then did. 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.000 It almost ten years? Eight years? 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.880 Yeah? And back then obviously they didn't have the shot 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.440 link and how far you are from the middle of 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.760 the fairway and this type of stuff. Did you kind 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.120 of feel like you had the ould strokes game driving 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.559 figured out, like better to hit it far than did 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.320 a ton of fairways before everyone else. 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.320 No, my Caddy was a little old school, so I 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.679 just remember watching Phil going, I'm just gonna try to 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.880 hit as far. I remember him having arguments with Butch harmon. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.040 Butch goes, I can get your swing a little tighter, 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.200 you can hit it more consistent, and he goes, no, man, 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.000 I want to hit as far as I can. And 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.120 I just kind of back and forth. If I need 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.520 to contend in the Major, I need to hit a 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.800 little straighter. That doesn't mean hitting irons off the tee 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.640 all the time. I just need to hit the driver 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.560 a little straighter. But I think whenever, when the body 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.880 starts slowing down a little bit, I could I could 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.280 time it a little better. So maybe when I got 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.360 fat and ole, actually I actually hit it straighter and 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:56.000 not as far. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.320 You know, it's so interesting to hear you say that 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.920 about Phil because obviously now the modern and Marty was 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.480 kind of touching on this but the modern mentality of 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.880 players is hit driver all over the place and go 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.040 and find it. I mean, no event is better illuminated 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.160 to that point than what we saw in twenty twenty 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.800 Win Bryson, Win and wing Foot and he basically said, 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.720 I'm gonna aim for half of the fairway and the rough, 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:19.640 like I do not care where the driver goes. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:21.840 I remember there was an Open Championship years ago. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:22.480 VJ. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.520 Singh was last in the field and fairways hit and 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.880 first in the field in greens and regulation. I feel 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.360 like VJ was a bit ahead of his time and 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.880 that stat as well. What players outside of Phil Nicholson 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.200 were you looking at? Going the way this guy plays 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:39.960 makes maybe a bit more sense than what people are 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.240 telling me to do. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.960 I think you're correct on that VJ saying if he 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.559 was in between clubs, he'd always pull out a driver. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.720 He always tried to say, as aggressive as he could, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.920 and he was so strong and Tiger Woods, well you'd 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.240 see Tiger back off, like getting the British Opens and 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.840 stuff like that. Yeah, because he could hit that stinger. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:01.560 All you need to do is get in the fairway. 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:02.800 Because he was such a. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:05.400 Good iron player, right, Yeah. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.320 But I think a lot of guys used their length 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:08.640 to an advantage, like a VJ. 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:09.000 Singh. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.600 I remember, I'm at Firestone right now playing the Senior. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.600 The Senior I don't even know that. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.920 I think it's our Tour Championship anyways, I'm playing with that. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.760 I remember playing with VJ. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.120 One round when he won it, and he pulled out 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.400 driver every hole and just tried to drive it up. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.080 As far as he could. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.560 Figure, if you're going to hit it in the craft, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:32.960 he might as well be closer to the green. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.600 Yeah. Yeah, it was fun going back and look at 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.440 some of your stats, Lumpy from before the shot Link era. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.760 You know, way down there in driving distance. Your driving 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:47.280 accuracy was like you know, but your greens and regulation 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:48.920 was super high, you know. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:54.360 Yeah, it's always a pretty good iron player mid irons, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.160 especially like part threes and stuff. That felt like I 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.560 could take advantage on part three's and get up there 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.680 on part fives. I think I'm a much better wedge 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.280 player now since I've been playing the Champions Tour. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.120 Yeah, the last five years than I have. 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.720 Out on and now I carry like four wedges where 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.800 I used to only carry three because I felt like 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.080 some of the weapons or one irons back in the 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:17.440 day and. 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.280 Stuff like that. Now you can't even get the ball 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.920 in the air with a one iron, But I remember 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.320 the pick one iron. Right, you still have like twelve 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:25.960 of them at home. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.360 What what was it like? I feel like you played 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.679 in the very interesting time. You got on tour right 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.960 before Tiger, Right, you won some Germans and then he 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:36.040 came on the scene. 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.280 Actually we're rookies the same year, but he only played 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.959 half less than half the year, and he got Rookie 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:44.560 of the Year and I won that year too. 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:46.679 But I think it worked out all right for everyone. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:47.520 I don't know. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.559 Tiger wents coattails a little bit, you know what I mean. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.800 But I'm like, he didn't play. Should he really be 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:54.520 Rookie of the Year? 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:55.720 Should he be that? 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.640 I always get he remembers me beating him in the 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.160 US Ham and I go, you know what, I'll give 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.000 you that US amateur if you just give me one 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.160 of those major trophies, just one you got fifteen or 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.520 whatever of them, just one of them. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.440 You beat him in the year before he won the 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:12.160 three in a row. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.040 Yeah, I beat him. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.040 He was still in Yeah, he was still in high school. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:19.280 Yeah. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.439 And the funniest part about the story is Brian Gay. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:26.280 We're looking at the brackets, is Brian Gay, Jonathan Kay 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.080 And they're like, oh, Tiger's in your bracket. I wouldn't 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.160 want to play him. So I won Tiger one and 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.280 now I got to play him. I'm like, why do 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:35.600 these guys have to put it on me? 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:36.280 You know what I mean? 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.760 And I actually, uh, I played pretty good and beat him, 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.079 beat him up pretty good. But where was that one 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:43.679 at Lumby Mierfield? 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.800 Oh yeah, Mierfield Village? Oh yeah, yeah. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.599 I mean like, like, we're not this isn't a historian podcast. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.080 But I think there's an argument to me that might 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.360 be the only match he lost in a USGA championship, 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.120 or one of maybe two because obviously. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.240 We people say, I don't know, I haven't really gone 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.160 through the archives, but I think he. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:06.760 Might have lost too, you know, I think he lost. 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.160 I think he played in two ams. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.079 He didn't win when he won those juniors, and then 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.640 played obviously in the three one. So there's your Jeopardy answer. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.480 Is is Tim Harrot whenever anybody wants to answer that. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.240 By the way, Marty's mentioned it a couple times. 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:18.480 Listen. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.160 I know you've answered this question two billion times in 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.960 your career, but can you tell us the lumpy nickname story? 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:24.360 Pleaser? 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:25.120 All right? 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.280 Yes, So that golf course that I worked at my 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.240 first So the golf shop was a little separated from 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.720 the clubhouse and the driving rangers down this hill and 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.880 I walked in. They go what's your name? And I go, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.200 Tim Harron. I actually knew the pro but this is 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:45.280 some pros kind of giving me some grief, right, So he. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:46.920 Goes, well, do you have a nickname? I go no, 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:47.960 I don't have a nickname. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:49.240 He goes, why didn't he go down and pick the 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.440 range and we'll we'll have a nickname for you when 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.080 he come up. So I go down there for about 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.920 forty five minutes an hour, clean the range up, come 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.800 back up and they go, hey, Lumpy, how are you doing. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.960 How do you like your nickname? I go out on, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.920 don't really like it? And it's been lumpy ever since. 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.160 So that's my nickname. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:06.560 What did it? 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.120 What did it derive from? Were you doing something weird 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:10.000 picking the range? 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.080 Like we're They just thought I always kind of look 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:17.200 frumpy lumpy, you know what I mean? Okay, And there 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.880 was actually a kid in high school that was nicknamed Lumpy. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.600 So I wasn't even lumpy in high school. It was 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.240 all around the golf community. I wasn't even lumpy in college. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.360 I thought I got rid of it until I was 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:32.800 winning my first tournament in ninety six and the pro's 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.480 brother played on the Champions Tour and knew Dave Mar 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:36.800 really well, and Dave. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.200 Goes, do you know anything about this kid from Minnesota? 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.640 We need something on this kid, you know, put on air, 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.200 and they go he said, well, his nickname is Lumpy. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.920 So then that came out, you know, with Johnny Miller 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:50.280 and Dave Mar and that. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:54.040 So I've been Lumpier ever since. So it is what 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:54.400 it is. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:54.640 Man. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.200 Just got to stick with it, Yeah, totally. If you 0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:59.800 try to fight it, it only gets worse. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.560 Lumpy, What you were a drake, great driver, the golf 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.640 ball hit it far, you know, kind of when you 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.720 first came on the scene. What were some of your 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.600 favorite getting into some equipment things like, what were some 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.840 of your most memorable or kind of drivers you played 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.440 during that time period, probably like the S I three TI, 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:23.000 s I G two, like in that kind of time 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.760 frame of the late nineties early two thousands. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.680 So what was the name where the hozzle? What? 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.200 Well, most of the hozzles are plastic, but it was 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:32.680 plastic hozzle. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:33.840 I called it. 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:36.800 I ping's probably not gonna like it looked like a 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.680 Folger's tin can on a stick, right, But I'm. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.240 To say driver. 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.880 They almost ring with my entire life. What's the name 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.560 of that one? It was really thin face? 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.120 The is I? 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:50.720 I think it was? I? 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.920 I Y And I remember I was playing the Hunt 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.320 a couple of years later, it was probably like ninety nine, 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.000 and I pulled the driver on a par five out 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.480 of a bunker and I hit it on the green 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.920 made eagle come on, yeah, fairway bunker shot. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.680 I hit driver on it, I mean off the ground. 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.560 I could do anything with it. And I finally cracked it, 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.280 but under the soule plate. And yeah, the soule plate 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.600 finally just fell off. But that thing was amazing as 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.000 the best driver I ever hit. But what it was 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:27.199 so stupid is we played everything so uh firm and heavy. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.200 I guess maybe because the ball moved more. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.560 So maybe you know, we're using equipment where we're trying 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.399 not to make the ball move as much. Now the 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.480 ball doesn't move and you're trying to make it move. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:44.680 So I think people play probably softer shafts and things 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.200 like that. But we were playing telephone poles. It's amazing. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:48.560 You know. 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.840