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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping.

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Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.

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Speaker 1: I just love that I can hit any shot I

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Speaker 1: kind of want.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 3: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 4: Hey, hey, everybody, welcome back to the Pink Proving Grounds Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Shane Bacon.

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Speaker 4: Joined us always by Marty Jertsen. Marty, we got a

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Speaker 4: legend with us today, a living legend in the golf space.

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Speaker 4: Tim Haren joining us and Tim were fired up to

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Speaker 4: have you a part of the podcast. I know you've

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Speaker 4: been a part of the Pink family for a long

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Speaker 4: long time. I wanted to start with family because you're

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Speaker 4: a guy that grew up in an extremely competitive golf family.

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Speaker 4: When did you start playing? When did you get introduced to.

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Speaker 2: The golf to golf?

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Speaker 4: Do you know how old you were when when you

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Speaker 4: were kind of introduced initially to the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably seven years old.

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Speaker 5: I'd go out and play like three holes of my

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Speaker 5: dad after he was done with work and right before dinner,

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Speaker 5: kind of run the dogs and stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: And then probably at ten I started catting for my

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Speaker 1: I guess I was probably cheap labor for him.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, ten, probably fifteen, and then started working in

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Speaker 5: I've kind of always been around the game.

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Speaker 3: Was your dad a pro player? What was his what's

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Speaker 1: He was a pro for he was a pro for

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Speaker 5: He was a life insurance salesman, so he could get

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Speaker 4: It's always so interesting to talk to people that have

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Speaker 4: these kind of golf families, like the Knies for instance, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean these people that grew up, you know, around

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of great golf tournaments. I know, she won

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Speaker 4: you know, you talked about your dad being so involved

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Speaker 2: Was it one of those things.

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Speaker 4: That right off the bat you went, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well, my sister's younger than I am,

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Speaker 5: but I don't know. I think I probably beat my

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Speaker 5: You know, my sister was good, and then I kind

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Speaker 3: Tim my wife actually played golf Fort New Mexico and

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Speaker 5: So I got a scholarship either at University of Minnesota,

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Speaker 5: My dad says, now you're not going there, and I

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Speaker 5: John Field's first recruit with actually Christian's brother. I was

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Speaker 3: Christian kanea the head of our tour department from from

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Speaker 5: Exactly like Blend, New Mexico. And Jason, his brother, was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you guys were playing you and him South

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Speaker 3: Mumpy, did you take a liking to the Mexican food

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Speaker 3: Now, Shane, have you spent any time in Albuquerque eating

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Speaker 4: So I I was gonna say, for people that don't

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Speaker 2: But yes, Tim, I totally understand.

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Speaker 4: As we get a little bit older, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: Now Richardson's a little New Mexican too, Okay, okay, well

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I had potential my freshman year, became

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Speaker 1: Got my Nike card, which is corn Fairy.

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Speaker 5: Yep in ninety five, and then in ninety six I

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Speaker 4: Tim, I wanted to ask real quick before we get

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Speaker 4: into the pro stuff. I was looking at the Walker

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Speaker 4: Cup you played at a ninety three, and I didn't

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Speaker 2: How special was it?

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Speaker 4: How big of a goal was it for you that

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Speaker 4: it was like a pinchbe moment to be wearing red,

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 5: It was really awesome, but it was nerve wracking now

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Speaker 5: looking back. It was extremely just unbelievable experience and memories.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: I remember Alan Doyle was a buddy of mine. I

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Speaker 1: He won the US Amitur that year.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember who you played in that first singles match?

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Speaker 4: Do you remember who?

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Speaker 1: Who? You know? I played singles? I played Patty Harrington?

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Speaker 4: You guys were running away with this thing, but you

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Speaker 4: It was a good Walker Cup for you as well.

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Speaker 3: I you mentioned, you know, your your your your playing

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Speaker 3: PJ tour stats and you were way up there in

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Speaker 5: No, my Caddy was a little old school, so I

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Speaker 5: just remember watching Phil going, I'm just gonna try to

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Speaker 5: I remember, I'm at Firestone right now playing the Senior.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it was fun going back and look at

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Speaker 1: Stuff like that. Now you can't even get the ball

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Speaker 3: What what was it like? I feel like you played

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Speaker 5: Actually we're rookies the same year, but he only played

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Speaker 1: But I think it worked out all right for everyone.

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Speaker 5: But I'm like, he didn't play. Should he really be

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Speaker 1: Should he be that?

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Speaker 5: I always get he remembers me beating him in the

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Speaker 3: You beat him in the year before he won the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I beat him.

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Speaker 5: He was still in Yeah, he was still in high school.

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Speaker 5: And the funniest part about the story is Brian Gay.

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Speaker 5: And I actually, uh, I played pretty good and beat him,

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Speaker 5: beat him up pretty good. But where was that one

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Mierfield Village? Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean like, like, we're not this isn't a historian podcast.

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Speaker 5: We people say, I don't know, I haven't really gone

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Speaker 2: Might have lost too, you know, I think he lost.

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Speaker 4: He didn't win when he won those juniors, and then

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: I know you've answered this question two billion times in

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Speaker 2: Pleaser?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 5: Yes, So that golf course that I worked at my

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Speaker 5: some pros kind of giving me some grief, right, So he.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a nickname.

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Speaker 5: He goes, why didn't he go down and pick the

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Speaker 5: he come up. So I go down there for about

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Speaker 5: back up and they go, hey, Lumpy, how are you doing.

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Speaker 5: How do you like your nickname? I go out on,

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Speaker 5: So that's my nickname.

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Speaker 1: What did it?

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Speaker 4: What did it derive from? Were you doing something weird

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Speaker 5: Like we're They just thought I always kind of look

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Speaker 5: frumpy lumpy, you know what I mean? Okay, And there

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Speaker 5: was actually a kid in high school that was nicknamed Lumpy.

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Speaker 5: So I wasn't even lumpy in high school. It was

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Speaker 1: Goes, do you know anything about this kid from Minnesota?

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Speaker 5: We need something on this kid, you know, put on air,

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Speaker 5: and they go he said, well, his nickname is Lumpy.

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Speaker 5: So then that came out, you know, with Johnny Miller

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Speaker 1: So I've been Lumpier ever since. So it is what

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Just got to stick with it, Yeah, totally. If you

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Speaker 3: Lumpy, What you were a drake, great driver, the golf

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Speaker 3: ball hit it far, you know, kind of when you

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Speaker 1: So what was the name where the hozzle? What?

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Speaker 5: Well, most of the hozzles are plastic, but it was

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Speaker 1: I called it.

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Speaker 5: I ping's probably not gonna like it looked like a

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Speaker 5: Folger's tin can on a stick, right, But I'm.

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Speaker 1: To say driver.

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Speaker 5: They almost ring with my entire life. What's the name

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Speaker 3: The is I?

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Speaker 1: I think it was? I?

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Speaker 1: I hit driver on it, I mean off the ground.

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Speaker 5: I could do anything with it. And I finally cracked it,

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Speaker 5: So maybe you know, we're using equipment where we're trying

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Speaker 5: So I think people play probably softer shafts and things

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: Everyone used to go, oh lump, you're still with the

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Speaker 1: Once I have something, I hold on to it. I

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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to give it up. I'm not.

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Speaker 5: Uh, there's a guy out here, Steve Flesh. He'll put

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: He change the score by one. He's into it.

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Speaker 1: I totally know what you mean, which is awesome.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I wish I had that kind of mentality,

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Speaker 1: It's pretty impressive on what I've seen, But I think.

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Speaker 5: I was one of the last guys to play Io's

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Speaker 5: of good stuff out there, maybe, and I forgot what

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Speaker 5: I switched to. I switched to, Oh, you know what,

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Speaker 5: I switched to the first forge ping irons.

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Speaker 3: Oh the answer, Yeah, I actually actually was that's right.

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Speaker 3: I designed that iron, you remember, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: That, I'm like, wow, I'm hitting at least a club longer.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty awesome. So now I'm messing with shafts because

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Speaker 5: I've been playing well, I used to be like seven. Oh,

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Speaker 5: now I'm six. So now I'm almost thinking five to

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Speaker 5: five and then graph fight. I do have the new

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Speaker 5: to time the irons. I've played so heavy for so long. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: maybe you might have some good advice. I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: Yeah there, Yeah, steel fiber is a good option. If

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Speaker 3: you tried the steel fiber, it's it's literally half graph

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Speaker 3: I have steel.

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Speaker 1: No, that's what I have. Fiber, That's what I have. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's good. The one ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good That's what I was gonna say, Tim,

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Speaker 3: That's that's a good one to try to kind of

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Speaker 3: give you that in between.

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Speaker 1: Come on here and I get advice. I love it.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 4: We're trying to help out golfers in some capacity, even

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Speaker 4: if they're professional golfers. You said you're a bit of

447
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 4: an old school golfer. What's the oldest club you currently

448
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 4: have in your bag? Well, I'm still playing two tens.

449
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 5: I still haven't gotten over the you know, to the

450
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 5: blueprint or whatever, and my my son plays that one,

451
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 5: so we were always messing around.

452
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,360
Speaker 1: But I'm like ready to go to the steel fiber.

453
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

454
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Speaker 5: I was thinking maybe going to five to five and

455
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 5: then and then maybe steel fiber, but I think I'm

456
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Speaker 5: ready for the steel fiber.

457
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

458
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,440
Speaker 5: And I'm playing the four hundred driver, but I have

459
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 5: a driver that goes twelve years farther. But now I'm

460
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 5: at Firestone, so I'm gonna wait until the next week

461
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 5: to maybe put that one out, which is the ten K.

462
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember all the names, but the ten.

463
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 3: K yeah, yeah, And then I heard there might be

464
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 3: there's some rumblin like there coming out of a really

465
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: fast one, so we'll see. Lumpy. What about putters? You got?

466
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 3: You got three putters and the gold putter Vault. All

467
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: answers have you have you been? I know now I

468
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 3: think you're using using the time or prime time. But

469
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Speaker 3: what were you traditionally an answer putter most of your

470
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 3: career so far?

471
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Speaker 5: I used to be, so I was probably the third

472
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 5: guy to claw they called the claw. Yes, that might

473
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Speaker 5: have been like ninety nine, so I kind of had

474
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 5: a little flinch issue back in the nineties and the

475
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 5: claw kind of save all the way through two thousands, right,

476
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 5: so yeah, it's been uh, it's been great. So then

477
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 5: I kind of went more mallet, but all the wins

478
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 5: were answers. Yeah, maybe I should go back, but it

479
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 5: looks weird an answer, but my son buds with an answer,

480
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 5: so really, yeah, it's a little better.

481
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 3: Was Calc the first player that you remember doing the claw?

482
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Speaker 1: No, it's DeMarco.

483
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 3: DeMarco was the original DeMarco.

484
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: Hip Kendall.

485
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 5: Skip Kendall taught DeMarco how to do it, okay, Skip Kendel,

486
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 5: then he putted unbelievable Skip Kendall.

487
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I think.

488
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 5: DeMarco showed it to Kelc and then kind of Calc

489
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 5: showed it to man and then people started doing it.

490
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Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing.

491
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean DeMarco called it the gator, right, he

492
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 4: wouldn't call it the claw because he wanted to give

493
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 4: a shout out to Florida.

494
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

495
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 4: He would not call it the claw. He called it

496
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 4: gatored his way nearly to a green jacket, that's.

497
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Speaker 1: For sure, of course, the Gator.

498
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, christ you gotta love that.

499
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 4: You've talked a lot about your son's game. So we

500
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 4: Marty and I both have kids. They're younger than your son.

501
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 4: But you know, Marty's kids are kind of now competing

502
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 4: in drive, chip and putt.

503
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Speaker 1: Mine are a little bit younger.

504
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Speaker 4: I'm in the stage of trying to get him in

505
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 4: golf and get him interested. How is it being an

506
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 4: accomplished player, obviously, somebody that's win multiple times on the

507
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 4: PGA Tour as a golf dad of somebody that's obviously

508
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 4: good enough to play collegiate golf and compete in in

509
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 4: big time state events, actually play pro golf.

510
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: You know it.

511
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 5: It's uh, it's a lot of golf. I'm gonna I'm

512
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 5: gonna admit it's a lot of golf.

513
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: You know.

514
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get away from the game and they're

515
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 5: trying to play, So I try to do a mix.

516
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: But you know what, the practice is way more fun.

517
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 5: So like when I get I have too eighteen year

518
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 5: olds that are gonna go away and play golf as

519
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 5: freshmen this year, and they're gonna try to get on

520
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 5: some teams and and it's just kind of camaraderie wise.

521
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: We go out on the range and.

522
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 5: We all can't hit balls, and some go pot and

523
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 5: if I need to chip, I'll go over and chip

524
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,120
Speaker 5: with them, And so it's kind of fun that way.

525
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 5: I understand the game enough to where it's a hard game.

526
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 5: I look at more of their attitude, which I'd say

527
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 5: in college I probably didn't have the best attitude either,

528
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 5: so so I don't it's not really the score whatever,

529
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 5: it's kind of more of the process.

530
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Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I teach them.

531
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 5: I'm I'm like, you know, get your mind out of

532
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 5: the gutter a little bit, and you know, get thinking

533
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 5: right and get the process right.

534
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: You have no chance of your thinking negative thoughts.

535
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 5: You got to think some positive yeah, even though it's

536
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 5: a tough, tough game. But I kind of wanted to

537
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 5: go to like football games and stuff like that. Now

538
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 5: I'm on the golf all the time.

539
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 4: It should have been so good man, they would have

540
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 4: They wouldn't have wanted to be like dad, you know.

541
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to be a dad. Let's go to

542
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 5: old miss games. But no, it works out great, and

543
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: you know what, it's gonna be something that we have

544
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: all together the rest of our lives. Even if I'm

545
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 5: not playing, I'm still around it with them, So it's

546
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 5: gonna it's it's awesome. It's just I just hope they

547
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 5: know how hard it is and when I did it

548
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: back in the nineties compared to what it is now.

549
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 5: I mean, the lifespan is gonna be so much shorter,

550
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 5: and you could be a heck of a player and

551
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 5: it'll just be harder and harder for.

552
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: You to get back on.

553
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 5: I mean, I felt like I could have kind of

554
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: have a poor year and still over the hump and

555
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 5: have a decent year the next year and kind of

556
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 5: get right back in the top fifty in the world

557
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 5: or something like that. Yeah, now it's hard. I mean,

558
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 5: it takes a year to get back. So if you

559
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 5: have a bad year, so I mean it's difficult. I mean,

560
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 5: you better bring it when when when you're called up

561
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 5: to the main tour.

562
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good point. Lo, I haven't given

563
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: that much thought, you know, just your life, like the

564
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: golfer's lifespan. Now you know their career span, I guess

565
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 3: it's going to be shorter and shorter. That's a really

566
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: good point.

567
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: I think so.

568
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 5: And I just talked to a caddye that just went

569
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 5: out and caddied for Daniel Berger and he he said

570
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 5: instead that he goes back in the nineties, there's always

571
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 5: two good college players that'd come out.

572
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: Now there's like eight.

573
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if one just has a bad year, they're

574
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 5: not probably playing the next year. They got to go

575
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 5: all the way through the corn Ferry to get their

576
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 5: card back. Yeah, So it takes a whole year to

577
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 5: get get back out there.

578
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 1: So it's it's a different animal. You know.

579
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 5: I'm glad I did it when I did it because

580
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 5: I had almost a twenty year career.

581
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Tim, you bring up a great point

582
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 4: about like the mentality of the young players. I host

583
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 4: all the Corn Ferry coverage on Golf Channel and talk

584
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 4: to a lot of these players, and it's very interesting

585
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 4: in the windows right now for the post collegiate players

586
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: because some through PJ Tour you and opportunities through sponsors

587
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 4: get PJ Tour opportunities or corn Fairy tour opportunities.

588
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: Right out of the gate, and it's either they make

589
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: it right away.

590
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 4: Like what you saw with Tiger in ninety six ninety seven,

591
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 4: or as you mentioned, they've got to go through basically

592
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 4: like a two year re route to go through you know,

593
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 4: corn Ferry, or maybe they go to Europe for a bit,

594
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: or they have to figure out a new path to

595
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 4: get back to the PGA Tour. But it's either they

596
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: jump right in and it's successful right away. We've seen

597
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 4: a lot of that this year and last year with

598
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: some of these young players, or you're talking two or

599
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 4: three years before they get that opportunity.

600
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: Again.

601
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: It's very very interesting.

602
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have a question kind of, I mean,

603
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: how does it work with Canton? Right? Is that the

604
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: kid's name that second John Deere?

605
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think he finished when he finished

606
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 5: like third and second the last two weeks.

607
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, two top tens.

608
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 4: But he's a he's so I believe those points can't

609
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: apply if he goes if he turns professional. But again

610
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: it's it's it's like you're doing that as an amateur,

611
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, you can get these points. The

612
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 4: same thing could happened with Korn Ferry and Pjdre last

613
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 4: year where there was some issues with players that are

614
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 4: playing in US opens and they weren't getting the opportunity

615
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: at corn Fairy Tour event. They're trying to make it

616
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 4: a little bit easier for people that show that much potential.

617
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, again, let's say he turns pro and doesn't

618
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 4: have the success that he had these two weeks.

619
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: It might be and now it uphill battles.

620
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 4: So it's just it's like the lightning strikes and you

621
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: got to jump on it right away, right.

622
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, he should have cashed in, he should turn pro.

623
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you He goes to Florida State,

624
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: so I'm sure he'll be Yeah.

625
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna give him confidence, like he can

626
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 5: do this again, you know what I mean? But like

627
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 5: what you said, yeah, cash and cashing on, right, because

628
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 5: you don't know how long the window is and these

629
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 5: guys are swinging so hard. You don't know how you know, tweak,

630
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 5: you know, you get a slip disc.

631
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: Or something like that, you don't know.

632
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 5: Ye, So yeah, yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting next

633
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 5: few years to see how the the game grows because

634
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 5: there's market more kids coming out.

635
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

636
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: Oh bit, what else have you been to outside of golf?

637
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: You talked about doing other things outside of golf, but

638
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: how do you spend your time up there in Minnesota,

639
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 3: you know, different seasons and whatnot.

640
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: Well, I do like to fish.

641
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 5: I haven't fished much, but I like to fish. I

642
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 5: kind of I have a fishing probably five years. I

643
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: didn't go out ice fishing this year. I usually go

644
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 5: out a couple times a year. But you know, I'm

645
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 5: on the golf course. If I'm not playing, I'm watching

646
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 5: my kids. So I'm watching a lot of golf. So

647
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: that's kind of what I do. I like being outside

648
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 5: and walking the dog and and doing things like that.

649
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, like go to concerts and sporting

650
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 5: events and things like that, or at least watching them.

651
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 5: And I spend a little time in Arizona now, So

652
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be an empty next year. You guys have

653
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 5: a ways to go. But yeah, it's another a life

654
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 5: you turn and try to figure that one out. So

655
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 5: I'm gonna spend a little time in Arizona and some

656
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 5: time in Minnesota.

657
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 4: And Tim when you were playing, you would spend most

658
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: of the time in Minnesota still, right, even in the winter,

659
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: you practice up there in the.

660
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 5: Winter, Yeah, I wouldn't practice much up there. I'm not

661
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 5: a big hit offf Matt type guy. Even I know

662
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 5: there's a lot of places and I think they can

663
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 5: dial it in, but you know, as a professional, you

664
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: gotta get it. You know, you want to know how

665
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Speaker 5: the turf interaction and how the ball's coming off, you know,

666
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Speaker 5: with iron and the turf and things like that. I

667
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 5: think Matts have a trampoline, but I think for most

668
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 5: amateurs they can narrow it in there and find you

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Speaker 5: the best equipment possible. But I'm not a big ball

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Speaker 5: beater on Mats. Yeah, I like getting it off the turf.

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Speaker 1: You know, same same, yeah, But.

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Speaker 5: I'll mean I'll do like three foot putting grills for

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Speaker 5: like an hour off artificial turf just to kind of

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Speaker 5: get the path right. So like when I do go

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Speaker 5: south to practice, it's one less thing and I have

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Speaker 5: to do.

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Speaker 3: Do you still do you still claw it?

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00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, I still clot.

679
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 5: Still kind of mess around where my hands are going

680
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 5: to be, you know, weaken them or or you know,

681
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: shut out whatever, But yeah, I still clawed. I'm gonna

682
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Speaker 5: clad I think for a long time, Aman, I've tried

683
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 5: a little bit of the you know up here and

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Speaker 5: do the.

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Speaker 1: Uh not anchoring, But what do they even call it?

686
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. It looks does it well?

687
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 5: But I everyone else does it well. I'm not very

688
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 5: good at it. Mentional, my friggin stroke looks great and

689
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 5: I can't make a putt, so it doesn't help.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: This is this is a little known tidbit Shane and

692
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: Tim that we just ran some stats as best we

693
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: could estimate it because people switch techniques. But there's a

694
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: higher percentage of players on the PGA Tour hutting with

695
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: the broomstick than the Champions Tour. Come on, really, yes, yes,

696
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: like right now, I mean think all the younger players

697
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: hut with the broomstick. It's like approaching ten percent broomstick

698
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: on the PG less than ten percent on the Champions.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: Do you think USG kind of dropped the ball on

701
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 5: like they're trying to get rid of it, and they didn't.

702
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 5: They left a little door open, didn't they.

703
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say, I mean, no matter what technique I mean,

704
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: I use, I don't think Yeah.

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00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 5: I think you help grow the game and if that

706
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 5: helps grow the game, so be it. I think we

707
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 5: have to get I think a lot of clubs. And

708
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 5: I know you're proud of your golf course because how

709
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 5: hard it is and stuff, But yeah, hard isn't necessarily.

710
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Fun, you know what I mean? Wouldn't you know? I

711
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: don't know.

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00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: I just the mentality is, you know, these guys are good.

713
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 5: They're gonna shoot low almost any any given day, right,

714
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: So it's pretty amazing.

715
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: Tim, You've played with a ton of great players. You've

716
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 4: watched a ton of great players over the years and

717
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 4: over the decades.

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00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: Who when your walking.

719
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: The range, either in your younger years, your prime even

720
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: into PGA Tour champions, who kind of stopped you in

721
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 4: your tracks as you're seeing somebody either hit balls, make

722
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: a sound that it was kind of Tiger Adam Scott,

723
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: Like who kind of stopped you?

724
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: And who?

725
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 2: Either who is this guy? Or Wow, that looks different?

726
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: I think it's I'd say VJ.

727
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 5: Tiger and Ernie Els had something, you know what I mean?

728
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: Like VJ had.

729
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: Man he could hit some shots and I played a

730
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 5: lot with them when he won.

731
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: I think he won eight times yep that year nine title.

732
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: Lot crazy, Yeah, nine times.

733
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Tiger freaking amazing, And I think that was

734
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 5: back in the nineties and early two thousands and then,

735
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: I mean there's some guys that were really good. Now

736
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 5: I mean this Steven Ams absolutely flushes it. So, yeah,

737
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 5: he's fun to listen to when you're hitting balls next

738
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 5: to him. Sounds it always sounds pretty good. No cliking

739
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 5: going on over there.

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00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 4: It's in the kind of in the middle of the face.

741
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 4: It's kind of where you're supposed to hit it.

742
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, It's always been in the middle of the face.

743
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tim, Before we go, can you just talk about

744
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 4: your relationship with Ping over the years, because obviously it

745
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: kind of dates back to the New Mexico days. How

746
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: it's been partnering with Ping, How it's been kind of

747
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: watching the company grow as your career has grown.

748
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ping's been a great company to be with.

749
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Speaker 5: I've been with Ping for well, you know, since college,

750
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 5: so I've been playing the Irons ever since. Would never

751
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 5: even think about playing another another Iron. They got so

752
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 5: many different options, and you know, just the people are

753
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 5: great too. You know, the company's really grown. I don't

754
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 5: know everyone. I mean, I remember back in in the

755
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 5: early nineties, I kind of knew everyone, and I know

756
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 5: lou Bebe's still around, so that's.

757
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Always yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, lou Beby. He's the best.

758
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 5: But no, you know, just to watch Ping through, you know,

759
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 5: the bad times and the good times, and they've they've

760
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 5: you know, they've made it through all the bad times

761
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 5: and now they're they're a great company, great family and

762
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: uh just proud to be part of the Ping family.

763
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: And Christian Penya. I mean, I got to give it

764
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: up for Christian. I've known Christian.

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Speaker 5: I've known Christian since college and I had to babysit

766
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: his little brother a little bit.

767
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Speaker 2: Is his short game as good as people say it is.

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Speaker 1: Tim oh man, he's smooth. You just ask him. He smooth. No, No,

769
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Speaker 1: you know what. He was a He was a flusher too.

770
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: He yes, he hit it. He hit it really good.

771
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 5: If you don't play a lot, and you know you're

772
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: in your mid upper fifties, you know, it takes a toll.

773
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: You gotta feel okay that day, you know what I mean.

774
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 5: But I played with him last year and we had

775
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 5: a blasts from the past.

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00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: We had.

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00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 5: Kind of his team, Rob mcguiver, I was the only

778
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 5: new Mexico guy.

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00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 5: It was Rob mcguiver and Harry Rudolph and myself. So

781
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 5: we had a great time. We played outitor uh Phoenix

782
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 5: kind of you know what, and Christian hit it good.

783
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 5: I think we're team. We're on the same team. I

784
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 5: think we broke even I had a putt, yeah, six

785
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 5: footer that I missed the last ale to beat him.

786
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: But we had a great time.

787
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: He hits that big high he hits up on the

788
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: driver like eight nine degrees, sneaky long, big sweep and draw.

789
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: You know.

790
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 5: You know he's like family too, right, He's he's a

791
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 5: family guy.

792
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: He's all paying.

793
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 5: He's been a pang forever too, so it's really cool

794
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: to be part of the family.

795
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: Well, Tim, listen, we really appreciate the time. Thank you

796
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: so much.

797
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 4: Good luck this week, play well, make some potts, do

798
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 4: all the stuff that Marty has been doing this summer,

799
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: and we'll be rooting for you and we'll check back

800
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: with you soon.

801
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: All right, guys, Yeah, let's do it again.

802
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Tim